What is your honest opinion on Pokemon Mystery Dungeon?
>>732643107I really like the recruit system and games where I can work with monsters are always better than games that don't let me do that but Shiren is better from a gameplay standpoint.If Shiren had the budget and story and recruitment system of a PMD game I'd never need anything else.
>>732643107It's funThinking about playing super again because i had a blast 100%ing it when it released
>>732643107It was a lot of fun when I was a child but as an adult it lacks mechanical depth
Peaked way too early with Sky.
Only furfags are into it and I wish it never existed.
>>732643107>>>/vp/Go back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPGuiZ48PbA
I love it and I want a new one. Not a remake a brand new one. I want more series to do mystery dungeon games.
>>732643107Missed its shot when it didn't do one with Ultra Beasts. Such an easy slam dunk and they didn't capitalize.
Rescue Team is greatExplorers is perfectionGates had bad gameplay but a great storySuper had good gameplay but a meh storyI miss the series, but if it came back it'd probably be shit like everything else Pokemon these days
>>732647271>Gates had bad gameplay but a great storyRedpill me
>>732643107They're fine, but Shiren the Wanderer is obviously superior being the mainline series.
>>732647559>Bad gameplayAbsolutely abysmal lineup of Pokemon, both in terms of starters and overall available Pokemon (144 total, not counting the ~6 boss-only Pokemon)Hunger is all but absent from the entire game, except for exactly three postgame dungeonsMagnagate dungeons are really gimmicky and not really worth it>Great storyThe partner actually has his own desires and character, isn't just a wet blanket for the entire story, and steps the fuck up when shit hits the fan in the endgameA surprisingly good twist where the villains take advantage of the usual expectations for PMD plotsIntroducing the single biggest bro in potentially the entire series (Hydreigon)And maybe unpopular opinion/personal bias, but the ending blows RT and Explorers out of the water in terms of both closure and sad-factor (hell, the postgame even gives you the option to NOT return to the Pokemon world)It's the least fun PMD to actually play, but its story is on par with (and in some instances surpass) its contemporaries
>>732646808seriously what the fuck
>>732643107They need to make the story edgy and fucked up again
>>732643107Im very tempted to get PMD DX with my last switch voucher but I don't know if I should just ignore it and play the original again. Ive never really gotten a comprehensive answer to if DX is any good or not and I barely see anyone (even fans of the series) talk about it.
They should just make on with all 1000 pokemon, pixel artstyle, friend areas, one unique dungeon for each legendary and be done with it.
>>732643107>>732649913Looks fucking hideous, who thought this was a good idea
>>732643107Quite literally the pinnacle of Pokémon as a franchise.
>>732646808>>732649456By gen 7 they began phasing out the majority of pokemon spinoffs since they ended up being way too expensive to produce (especially the 3ds ones). Why every spinoff these days is mobile, they’re much cheaper and makes a lot more money. Not like anyone cares about PMD series anyway>>732649913Pretty universal that everyone says the demake sucks, dunno where you’re getting mixed responses from. The og’s are one virtual console anyway
Incredible OSTMediocre Game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDklupMwSCM
Is the GBA one a good place to start? The one that's on Switch online
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfxoYAWND98&list=PLUEt6vdd0mpEuBQmzw8aF7Uq3s_uMI9B6
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All I know it that everyone I've ever seen that was into the series is a furry.
>>732649913+gameplay improvements of later games+They jazzed up the boss fights to make them less faceroll-Explorable friend areas being removed is a severe loss of SOUL-basic attack is removed which really throws the balance off-forced to only ever be the starters while in town like the later games which I never liked so it's objectively a downgradeIt's okay, I don't think I'd pay full price for it but that goes for any switch game.
>>732650345i agree with you but friend areas were just empty nothing zonesthey didnt really add anything substantial or genuine
>>732649913demakes are demakes
Super is surprisingly devilish compared to the other games. In genuine surprise how many "fuck you get OHKO from across the entire floor" moments it has. Especially fuck the postgame
>>732650827What's good faggot
>>732650415It's very satisfying visiting them and seeing all your recruited pokemon creatures frolicking around
The one I played on DS was good, Explorers of the Sky or something? My complaint is that the tutorial/story was a real slog at the beginning, though.
>>732643107I like imagining myself as a pokemon
>>732643107It was awesome until they started making shitty sequels
>>732648837>postgame gives you the option to not return to the pokemon world>play super>player is wondering why the fuck he's stuck with a bunch of kids>become bros with the partner after he mans up>defeat the villain>your partner is the one who disappears, you're stuck as a pokemonIt's an interesting take for sure but kind of fucked up
>>732650152Yes, it’s the first game in the series and the most accessible version of it. Explorers of Sky (DS) is what you’ll want to play next, and if you want more, Gates to Infinity and Super Mystery Dungeon (both on 3DS) are the next 2.
>>732653052That ending made me more angry than sad, since I'm pretty sure they bring up the possibility of you needing to go home, but then don't answer whether you actually need to or not, even after the gay rug pull. I was seething throughout the entire credits sequence where the player is crying by the tree. What about MY home and life, you fuckers!?.Yeah, I know the "You need to go home" ending had been done three times already, but that doesn't make this stupid subversion ending that came out of absolute nowhere anything close to good or satisfying.
>>732650827To be fair they also allow you to steamroll shit with Emera and wands are often stackable orbs. It's bullshit in both ways which in some ways balances out and in others is just pretty poor design.Still don't hate the game, though. It's alright.
>>732643107Possibly the most soulful vidya series I've ever played. I'm happy it exists.Rescue Team and Explorers are classics, Super is good and Gates is aight.
>>732649913The original IQ system is a lot cooler and pretty much single handedly makes the remakes lesserHowever the party system changing to bring 3 and recruit up to 8 is interesting upgrade even with the -1 as now you don't have to worry about the size of Onix or other pokemon with that in the originalDojo got reworked to being a speedrun for massive xp gains, and now you can find Shinies from some encounter system.Overall with the other changes mentioned it's worse but not by much so it ends up being a bit inoffensive besides the Friend Area removal.
>>732643107Explorers of the sky is one of my favorite games, the others are just ok
>>732647271One thing I liked about Super is how it was great at generating hype. Like how your village has a forbidden labyrinth sealed underneath with this theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeVn_Nlfqf0 and a fucking Giratina fight at the end. Or how what you've been exploring is only one island, and there are five of them. I'd argue it has the strongest start in the series overall.
3d did irreparable damage to Pokémon as a whole.
>>732643107I've only ever played the first GBA title. I found it very boring and repetitive and never finished it.
>>732643107I only played the first one. https://youtu.be/CRrjhQDR24o?si=rygcHGewKA5YgAIefeels
Introduced my favorite Pokémon, Lucario.
>>732643107I like rescuing other fallen parties so that they can continue their journey. Countless Pokemon were saved for over a decade by me.
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon should lose the Mystery Dungeon and go action game like Dark Souls desu.
>>732658104
transformation fetish fuel:)
>>732658174no one likes lucario
>>732643107dx is, in my opinion, the best looking game on the switch hands down.explorers is easily the best pokemon game in terms of both story and music, toohow does chunsoft do it bros
>>732659019I think Gates has the best story and Super has the best music. Explorers is the best overall gameplay experience due to lacking any notable flaws aside from that one mission where you collect letters.
>>732646304holy SOUL
>>732659295can you Gatesfag fuck off already? Gates has the most childish interaction and the weakest entry in the series. Objectively speaking.
i have to wonder if there are any decent Mystery dungeon romhacks now
>>732649959Eh I don't think I even want a new game. I sincerely doubt they would be able to recapture the magic of the first 2 especially since they lost the composer for them. I've come to accept that some things are just good and dont need sequels forever. Just look at the jurrasic park films. If you really like the mystery dungeon gameplay there are other Mystery dungeon games that expand on the gameplay.
>>732659295>super has the best musicI don't know how someone would develop this opinion. Super recycles most of its soundtrack from the first 2 games and all its new music is mediocre or bad
they're fine but suffer from a fanbase that refuses to play other mystery dungeons yet hold them up as the best in the series
>>732658104I emulated it and kind of got filtered. The gameplay is pretty slow and clunky. The presentation really grabbed me however, I should give it another try.
>>732660382after playing shiren 5 and 6 last year I realized that the spin off mystery dungeons really aren't that comparable to them. While the base systems are the same the way you play the games is completely different.
>>732643107It's gay. Play Shiren instead.
>>732643107Love it and love the remake
>>732660801>>732660382>>732660978I've tried 3 different Shiren games and hated them all. I have no idea what people see in that series. Mystery Dungeon gameplay without the Pokemon collection aspect is boring as sin.
I loved the original one on the DS as a kid, but I always hated the isekai aspect of the story.
>>732661417Only Rescue Team and Gates are real isekai. Explorers and Super fake you out by implying it initially but you're revealed to be an actual inhabitant of these worlds that lost their memory at the start of the story.
>>732649913I heavily disliked it. Also the artstyle only good in stills.It looks awful while stuff is moving around because everything is just as robotic and flat as the original GBA games
>>732661156What do you mean "tried"? Did you beat any of them?
The Gates partner is by far my favorite character in the entire series and doesn't deserve to be in an otherwise (relatively) bad game.
>>732649913It's very good.
>>732643107"Skitty is overpowered" is something you would never imagine to be a true statement but it is
friend areas kino
>>732643107PMD fans have only one joke and its transformation haha look you got transformed fuck off don't you guys have anything funnier?
>>732643107I loved, i played the ds version for years, i would really love a clone to play
>>732643107I just started playing explorers of sky and it's fine.
If Gates is so good but just plays like shit why haven't Gatesfags remade it in the Explorers engine now that the mod tools have blown that game wide open?
>>732660801i brought shiren 5 because i wanted to play a mystery like and got filtered really hard
>>732653612One interpretation I've seen is that the player character is already dead in the human world, or due to the time travel reincarnation shit it's impossible to return to their original time.
>>732662970I think one of the biggest appeals to PMD is how you can make almost any pokemon actually good if you invest in it. It's the ultimate karenfag game.
>>732659537>>732660274You two seem fairly miserable. As someone who is happy when he plays video games, I think Gates has the best story and Super has the best music.
>>732653612The way I see it, you already beat Dark Matter before with Mew. Returned to your original Pokemon world as a human and one of two things happened. You either lived a full and passed ages ago and reincarnated as a Pokemon with a human identity or you were summoned once again some time later in life as a one way trip.
>>732644263Shiren's dungeon design is just so basic though, without the gimmicks of the other MD games you're left with something that feels barely evolved past Rogue.
>>732663101I loved these areas as a kid and was so disappointed when the next games dropped them
>>732650296Brutal
>>732663823same
>>732662679Die
>>732643107I only played the first one recentlyPretty good, but it's unplayable without emulator speed up, currently got burnout trying to recruit them allDoes it get better in the next ones?
>>732664168Live
>>732663101i only remember picking the kyogre expedition by accident as a kid and being blow away when i reached the bottom, good fucking times.
>>732663101>each had unique musicthey didn't need to go that hard but they did anyway
>>732643107I love the games but I hate how they never really show any humans in the game despite the MC always being a human turned Pokemon.
>>732664337Does Gengar and the other human turned Pokemon Kyurem killed count? By the time of PSMD, humans roaming around in the form of Pokemon has become common knowledge.
>>732643107Only the first two are work playing and the 3ds ones really did a number on the series. If they had kept to the formula and didnt try to make the silly camera dungeons or removing the standard recruit system the series would have had new entries and not remakes.
>>732664203>currently got burnout trying to recruit them allI cant imagine anything worse than this why would you even attempt that. Anyway yes explorers is better in most ways, but youll probably have issues if you try to recruit everyone again
>>732664520I just wanted to try it but between having to do the 99 floor dungeons multiple times (Clamperl, Relicanth, Lileep, etc) and the low encounter rate of some pokemon (Pidgey, Snorlax, etc.) tired me outAnd I didn't even try to grind exp for the ones who evolve by leveling
>>732650141>What if we take the game known for its dungeons and make it a shitty mystery dungeon gameI never seethed more at a game in my life. Yes I still bought and yes I did drop it early as fuck
>>732664520>I cant imagine anything worse than thistry clearing purity forest with every monhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RTxlw10pPEguy is getting there
>>732663792Shiren's dungeon design is way more interesting than PMD, though. There's actual varied layouts and room setups compared to most of the PMD games using the same room generation for everything but swaping the tiles out. I don't think there's a single PMD dungeon that even uses diagonal bridges.
I liked Sky alot, but I think if you've played one you've played them all honestly. PMD has lots of room for innovation but they mostly done the same thing every game with different characters
why they stop at 99 floorssurely they could go further
>>732665443Probably limitations?Recruit rate go from -99.9% to 99.9%, maybe they just like the number 9
>>732660382I've only ever played the Wii/Switch Chocobo one. It's not bad but it doesn't have almost anywhere near the same highs, and the remake is worse since the party member is kinda tacked on for hit and run 'multiplayer' or dead weight since there's no way to constantly heal/buff them outside the new job and they'll die to boss AoE
>>732643107In my opinion the best iteration of mystery dungeon gameplay by having tons of moves and Pokémon abilities to deal with. Great music and can become real difficult in later dungeons. It also turned me into a furry.
>>732643107moving stories and great ost but shitty gameplaysorry, but mystery dungeon sucks with a party size larger than 1. main game's acceptable, but the post-game is hard to defend>playing optimally is a pain in the ass:>>retarded computer-controlled allies that will walk into revealed traps (i.e. get fucked in lv 1 dungeons). can't force it to use buffs before enemy gets close>>constantly need to be mindful of computer behaviors. e.g. toggle item master to stop it from sniping enemies across the room, toggle techniques to stop it from picking the wrong one>>need to toggle stuff like nonsleeper, self-curer, and energy saver, and it's not a 1-button toggle, it's several menu levels deep>>traps can fuck you up real bad. checking tiles 1 by 1 sucks dick. should have added a tiptoe toggle that uses 2 turns or something instead>later dungeons get downright unfun thanks to the lack of wonder tiles>lv 1 dungeons are annoying thanks to being underleveled and bullshit moves like sonic boom and silver wind>IQ grind takes forever>escort missions are pure unadulterated dogshit. your (lv 1) client is always trailing at the end and will always attempt to suicidally fight, getting one-shot. multi-hit moves ensure a loss>ghosts... the computer will gladly let itself get killed by them through the wallslots of room for improvement, but sadly no one will refine it further
>>732650345>-Explorable friend areas being removed is a severe loss of SOULsure, soul and shit but it sucked ass having to go to each pokemon individually. explorers did it better, letting you form a team straight off the list
>og is good>Explorers of Sky was perfection. Great cast, great story, perfect gameplay loop, just all around amazing>Gates to Infinity had a super good cast and solid story, but simplified gameplay and not many mons>Super was okay™ , all the mons and the gameplay was complex, but it had you on the rails grinding and if you didn't grind and found yourself at the end game you were locked in, the story and characters were also eh as they introduce you to a great cast early then switch over to a less interesting castAll in all, one of my favorite game series. It got me to branch out to the other Mystery Dungeon titles and I really loved those too even though something like Shiren can be brutally unforgiving at times. Also, it was one of those rare, fun games where your imagination sort of "plays" on top of the gameplay and you can really envision the exploration, stories, and fights that are playing out.
lv1 dungeons should've let you retain IQ, would've let more mons be viable options and have different kinds of skills in what you wanna pick
>>732650139>way too expensive to produceSpike Chunsoft foots the bill because they're the ones who actually develop it, retard. The Pokémon guys get PAID for loaning their IP and don't even lift a finger.
>>732643107Always been a favorite of mine.Feels like it uses pokemon's mechanics better than the main series for how it treats moves and utilizes PP/item management and such. Music is pretty much just great across the board if not some of my favorite in vidya. Stories are good for what they are, certainly had the intended emotional effect on me when I was like 10.The one thing I'd like them to improve on is dungeon generation. Different dungeons tend to bleed together since there's not a lot making each one unique besides the pokemon that spawn and aesthetic differences. Some have water or lava, I think some have unique traps, and that's all good, there should just be more of that kind of thing.
>>732643107Played them all last year and thoroughly enjoyed it, though honestly you do not need to play more than one. Gates piss me off particularly because it has the best story/characters IMO but it's also the worst one gameplay-wise by far
>>732662970One of the few times I genuinely felt like I didn't beat the game
>>732668052Well then guess which party deemed them too expensive to make, dipshit
>>732670479You're moving goalposts, you said it was a single decision across the board on the Pokémon side. Not to mention, Rescue Team DX released 4 years after gen 7. Your entire original post is just talking out of your ass.
>>732643107It is the ultimate autism trap. Pokemon isekai + an unconditionally friendly buddy + chosen one prophecy. The perfect autism storm, and one look at the community reflects this.
>>732646304Man, the PRS remix isn't nearly as amazing as I used to think it was.
