https://www.riotgames.com/en/news/an-update-on-2xkocome back to tekken 8 anon
I'm not surprised. The game is a flop with a stupid name.
Kinda sucks because I was enjoying running duos with my friend.
How many more mass layoffs are going to happen before people realize there's a problem?
NO TAHMNO PLAY
KWAB
unironically more people would play these games if they were on steamI'm not downloading a launcher to play 1 game
>>732643608>Pedophile twitterGood, kill yourself tranny
>>732643608Should have made a better game. You had 10 fucking years and you only launched with a handful of characters.
>>732643608>groomskyyeah he was worthless and deserved it
>>732643616most people download steam to play 1 or 2 games lol
>>732643608Terrible fucking game, hope those 80 people are able to recover tho
>>732643521The problem with this genre of games is an 8 frame startup on a move which you can't react to so it becomes this game of rock, paper, scissors guessing. So people just choose a character with the most amount of options and the meta becomes stale. Then on top of that you have to learn 50,000 fucking set ups. It's not a game people can pick up and play and enjoy.
>>732643521the game is barely fucking out. give it a moment to fucking develop, jesus riotdidn't really care enough to play, but this shit sucks to see, but it's tragically becoming normal.
>>732643956unreactable moves are necessary in fighting gamesyou should NOT rely on reaction speed to win, that is not realistic and is not what fighting games are actually aboutin fact, reaction speed is not very relevant at mid to high skill levels
2XK0 is a fucking dogshit name. How do you work on a game for a decade and release with hardly any characters in a tag fighter?
>>732643608the free money train is over lets hope they actually saved money and learned some actual game dev skills
>>732644070>2XK0 is a fucking dogshit nameI still maintain the name would've been cool if they had said it was pronounced "Double Knockout".
>>732643608>10 fucking years working on a single generic fighting gameFucking how?
>>732643982>the game is barely fucking out. give it a moment to fucking develop, jesus riotit's been in development for 10 year and was out on PC for months, it didn't gain traction then and never got any meaningful traction when the console release happened, Riot are simply cutting their losses because they see no reason to support a failure they got scammed into funding for 10 years
riot's mistake was catering to FGC autists the FGC is the most autistic and neurotic group of people on the planet FGC autism is not going to attract casuals
several of my non fgc friends kept bragging this shit was going to reinvent fighting games or some shit. ill never understand normy cattle
>remove motion inputs to attract casuals>but add tag, insanely long combos, one gorillion mechanics and $100 cosmeticsyeah this will really attract the casuals
can some one please recommend me a a fighting game that actually rewards defense more than office? im sick of every game being rushdown fest and corner carry fest,games like unist are completely unplayable trash due to this, I got recommended this by some idiot and they said this game had a lot of neutral and defense, but it was all a lie, every character in uni has full screen normals that carry you to fully to the corner and keep you there after a 40 second combo and you're stuck blocking until timer runs out or get grid broken and lose.strive seemed better, but I really dislike the community around it, same with tekken, and and the reviews seem horrendous.sdI
>>732644052This was kind of Go1's claim to fame. His defense was so good that it showed how some of the games he played just broke down at the highest level when he could react to everything.
>>732644310This. The games they're copying worked because they're intuitive and fun at the mid level, not because they railroad you into the autistic 1% of play.
>>732643956The problem with fighting games is that most of them don't allow you to do anything other than fight. SF6 is successful because it followed the Smash Bros formula and included a bunch of other fun stuff to relax with when you're exhausted from playing ranked 1v1s. These e-sports focused fighting games are dead on arrival because only sweaty autists have the willpower to play 3 straight hours of intense 1v1 matches
Release Rising Thunder! I want to play it again. It was fun AF. Just wanted more characters.
>>732643521what the fuck are they wearing lmao they thought catering to black people would work
>>732643521This game has been a complete failure since the beginning yet all the fgc tubers continued to shill it like it was the savior of fighting games. Was the riot money that good?
Sorry to hear your industry plant fighting game died. Maybe should've bought more streamers out like Sajam and others.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JkNj5O-cxvYwasn't people hyped for it to be a tag fighter? why do people hate it now?
>>732644248>it's been in development for 10 year and was out on PC for monthsright, so let it cook, establish the playerbase (which shouldn't be hard because riot), start up the cosmetics train, and go from there.It launched 1.0 middle last month, no shit it's not made back its money on a f2p title.the audience is there, but they needed to support it.whatever, game has lost any good will by now so it'll actually die instead of being able to make anything back. nice one
>>732644154you wanna know how? because they scrapped it several times before making it into a shitty tag fighter and the people working on aren't game devs but friends of the Cannons and they all just scammed Riot for money until Riot had enough.
>>732643608it was in development for 10 years?
>>732644675
>>732643608>Lefty FGC getting laid off
>>732644696Riot forgot to set up a three gorillion dollars stream bounty on twitch.
>>732644696sounds like a weird complain but it's too much a tag fighter, not like marvel vs tag or fighterz tag, just too dependant on the tag mechanic.
IT'S 2XKO BABY!
>>732644696nobody was ever excited for it, the positive rection videos were literally just paid advertisements. Pure astroturfing
>>732644479City of the Wolves.defense mechanics are much more numerous and can carry you a long way if you master them early
>>732643956A fighting game where everything is reactable is one where nothing happens. When For Honor came out nearly every move was reactable so matches stalled out from people turtling and murdering you for pressing. It wasn't rock paper scissors, it was I choose rock and you have a second to choose paper. It's also not even true that the best characters are ones with a bunch of options, the best characters are often ones that are easy to play so you don't mess up when it matters.
>>732644696youtubers and pros were excited because they unironically thought that a riot fighting game would bring them millions of views and massive esport money along with esport salaries. none of them actually kept tab on how Riot esport is actually going.
>Want to get lol newfags into a fighting game>Pick tag fighters, the segment of fighting games that's seen as the hardest from a newfag perspective This project was doomed the start.
>>732643608>10 years of dev time
>>732645048they could have gone a kof route, and still have a team game, but not tag.
>>732644741>right, so let it cookit did cook, there were too many cooks with no unified vision the game kept radically changing in its closed betas because they couldn't decide on a direction.>establish the playerbasethey've had over half a year to do this, they didn't come>start up the cosmetics trainthey literally have, theres more cosmetics than characters with 100 dollar bundles and it still didn't helpthe game is a lost cause, it's not getting more popular, the name is shit, the subgenre is terrible for casuals, no one cares that much about league as an ip, league players aren't coming, fighting game players are disloyal and will move to another game when it comes out, the game is by all fucking meterics fucked.
>>732643521I can understand cutting the rope on a project with no legs. But do those 80 fired devs have no transferable skills to the Riot Projects like the MMO? Are you telling me those people could only work on fighting games and it was easier to just lay them off rather than keep any of the talent around? Sounds like there's good reason this project took 10 fucking years if Riot just wanted to wipe their hands clean of the team afterwards.
>>732645165That explains the desperate psyop every fg streamer is trying to put up about it, it's their only hope at getting people to play. Even people that openly hate it are playing for a crumb of that riot money.
>>732644819>For every five gifted subs a partner receives while streaming 2XKO, Riot says they will gift one additional sub (or maybe a few more if they're lucky).it was in face the streamers that killed 2xko
>>732645287>But do those 80 fired devs have no transferable skills to the Riot Projects like the MMO?yes, many of them are people that have genuinely only worked on 2xko, many of them were just fighting game pros getting hired because they're fighting game pros, they are literally useless for other games
League of Legends was so 10 years ago.Not just timing, but branding alone they completely missed. The name 2XKO doesn't feel like it has anything to do with League. Gameplay they made no attempt to make it easy for the MOBA audience to jump in outside of "Modern" controls. You can't make a hardcore tag fighter and expect MOBA casuals to jump in and have a good time. Completely out of touch game that flushed away all that money. Good riddance.
>>732645147Casuals still would have been put off by having to learn multiple characters.I hate to sound like a smash baby but platform fighter may have been the way to go. Less emphasis on combo execution and moreso on simple movement and positioning would have been more appealing to the average LoL player.
>2xko is dying GET THE DRINKS READY!
>>732643521How much did they have invested in this game thinking it would be the next big thing in fighters?
>>732643608>10 years to make a fighting game with 8 characterswhat the fuck??? When I started seeing clips of this shit for the first time a couple months ago I was like "didn't they announce this ages ago?" but I didn't think it was in development that long. It's literally the go to genre for modern shovelware it's that fast to pump out a game for. You think someone like 5 years ago would've said "yeah this is a niche genre and no one is excited in the first place just scrap the fucking thing"
>>732645492i doubt it was even really alive
>>732645287>like the MMO?Nobody tell him
>>732645492That game was neat.
>>732645532At minimum a 10 year development cycle and advertising (internet, conventions, etc) on top of that
>>732643729>>Pedophile twitterjust say twitter, nigga
>These niggas actually spent 10 years on a flopkek
>>732645686Get back to Bluegroom
>>732645729they are both pedophiles hubs retard, you dont need to distinguish between them
Imagine if they made a party fighter like Smash instead
Why didnt max shill it harder for his audience
Fighting games are dead to me.SF6 - Pretty nice actually, but the constant slow-downs for so many things in the game kills it for me. I thought I was having fun, even though it never felt special, when I played it until I tried some old game (can't remember which, maybe SF3 or some Virtua Fighter or something) and it felt so incredibly tense next to SF6. Couldn't go back to it afterTekken 8 is pretty much just Mortal Kombat now, with about as ugly, but more overdesigned, outfits.With Strive, Guilty Gear lost its soul. The music is barely metal any more. It's the Load and Reload of that game series.I was hopeful for the new City of the Wolves until they added some random DJ and a soccer player. I've since given up on (new) fighting games. Used to be my favourite genre.
>>732643729Brainwashed lemming shilling for billionaire pedonazis without owning capital.
>>732643521>>732643608Should've put it on Steam LMFAO
>>732644903as much as it seems interesting, the only players seem to be mexicans or brazilians and snk seems to fucked up by selling to saudi's the only ratings the game has seem negative for the most part.
I don't know why people pretend that anyone gives a fuck about LoL for the setting or the characters, it is entirely because it is the MOBA of choice for a generation of Chinese autists, no other part of the LoL "universe" will ever be popular because no one cares, they need to stop being retarded and just make LoL 2 or something.
>>732644578Well fighting games are played pretty much only by niggers and chinks
>>732646273>I don't know why people pretend that anyone gives a fuck about LoL for the setting or the charactersI did when they were doing the Journal of Justice. That stopping was the death of its soul, and a bit after I stopped playing.
>>732645984he called his friends niggers on stream and almost did it again while playing the RV friendslop lol
>>732646529Huh? I only know about the Chinder Chagger or whatever it was event.
This game made sense when LoL was at their peak, but now? only chinks care.
>>732646141you lost tranny
any hope for the mmorpg??
>>732646687this game would've been big if they released it back in 2019 and actually led the charge with good netcode, now it has nothing and it's not good enough to stand out in a full market dominated by SF6
Should've put a sexy Yordle girl in, complete fumble.
>>732646823>MMORPGs in the current yearlollmao
>>732646823no it's also fucked
>>732646823that one isn't even coming out bro, it's stillborn
>>732643521There's a trend of mvc2 players thinking they know anything about game design and trying to recreate their garbage boomer childhood game in other franchises, leaving behind a trail of failed projects and kuso.
>>732647041>mvc2 playersthey're mvc3 players tho, totes definitely different
>>732646823Nobody is looking for a new MMO at the moment. People either absolutely hate the genre or are happy with their glorified chatroom of choice (sunk cost memes, autistic friends, ERP discord and mods, etc.).
>>732646932Teemo is already in the game and hes sexier than any other Yordle
>>732646823It's been rebooted twice and is likely to be smothered in the crib.
>does nothing>wins
>>732647968The garbage award
>>732643591You know your government could pass stronger layoff protections they just don't
>>732643591>>732648172>Do nothing for 20 years>get access to high-tier life in a high-tier countryThe problem is called being white american, you are dumb, your stupid, your work can easily be done by an Indian or a Mexican. You are garbage and you don't deserve the opportunities that life gives you, that simple. More layoffs NOW
been reading the twitter replies to the big news site tweets and I constantly see "it's out?" Riot didn't market 2xko at all, they left it out to die, it's fate was sealed the day it went into closed beta.
>>732643591Everyone knows there's a problem but what does it matter? There are no possible solutions at this moment. Just wait for the collapse. This is the only option we have in basically every aspect of society today.
Streamers who were really counting on this blowing up and put all their eggs into this game are coping live
>>732648994why do you know so much about streamers
>>732645729your site was literally raided in France for ai generating CP. Get your head out of your ass, right wing moron
>Francelmao
>>732643521really funny considering they focused on this and not riftbound when card games are booming right now. Also guarantee you half the people bitching about it on twitter were not needed and bleeding them money anyway
How the fuck does that game has 80 employees TOTAL, let alone enough to lay off that many and still have a team working on it? It looks like a perfectly competent game from what I've tried, but it's a fucking 1v1 2D fighter with like 6 characters. 3rd Strike probably didn't have even 40 full time staff developers
>>732649141riftbound isn't aiming for a wide audience, it's luxury product aimed at commander whales
>>732643607THIS
>>732643521>Kill rising thunder as soon as it was getting a following >10 years later re-release the game in a worse state with different re-skins>Game flops>Shocked pikashit face
>>732644696fgc personalities like chinder chagger here are fucking retards that don't give a shit about the genre at all and just want big names, flashy visuals, and free2play access so they can have hordes of casuals to beat the fuck out of for easy wins and easier youtube clips.
>>732643608Damn, this is how the amazing FGC grassroots game 2XKO treats it's fellow veterans????
>>732644310It's actually the inverse for 2XKO, they wanted to make a game that was very easy to understand and instead of sticking to fundamentals every fighter has ever had, they tried to reinvent the wheel and ended up pushing away both potential casuals and FGC players.
>>732644841It’s a tag fighter with like 4 characters you don’t have to pay for iirc.
>>732643608Why did it take 10 fucking years to make this flaming turd
>>732646273Early LoL had a very good story The original writings like Trundle and Dr.Mundo were great kinoThe fucking TV show raped the lore
>>73264919379 Indians to carry tea and shit in the hallways 1 white tranny codder to do the work Thats basically what every studio looks like now
Why won't suits realize the nobody wants to watch TOD combos except literal autisticsI swear to fuck how many games have been killed by these fucking FGC tards that need their long unstoppable combos>LOOK LOOK I MASTERED HITTING THE BUTTONS IN THE CORRECT ORDER SO NOW YOU CANT PLAY>THIS IS FUN RIGHT?
>>732643729You have a point, however, regular twitter is infested with actual illegal stuff in some of the hashtags like teenage. I remember trying to look up "angela white" with quotes, and boom, illegal shit. Which I don't understand because posts do not contain that string. Nuke this world already.
>bros it's illegal which means it's badkwab
>>732643521>ALL YOU HAD TO DO>WAS MAKE A WOW CLONE>DANCING LV 1 NAKED FEMALE YORDLES ON MAILBOXES>10 BILLION REVENUE>WE HAD A GOOD THING GOING>WE HAD EVERYTHING WE NEEDED, YOU COULD HAVE SHUT YOUR MOUTH BUT YOU JUST HAD TO BLOW IT UP.>YOU AND YOUR PRIDE... AND YOUR EGO. YOU JUST HAD TO BE 'THE MAN' THAT MADE THE NEXT STEP IN MMOS.>IF YOU'D JUST DONE YOUR JOB, KNOWN YOUR PLACE, WE'D ALL BE FINE RIGHT NOW
Total two ecks kay oh death
>has more employees working on a fighter than Valve has people working on deadlock and dota combined>small ass roster stillWhat the fuck happened there.
>>732650253luck debuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>732650292too many cucks in the kitchen
>>732650154Who gives a fucking shit>UHM DID YOU POST A HECKING ILLEGALIO STUFFwhy the fuck do you stupid statist niggers post on 4chanLike unironically
>>732650292Same thing that's been happening with every western dev for the past decade: extreme mismanagement
>>732650292to be fair deadlock characters have fewer abilities/animationstheir planned character release schedule is similar to other fighting gamesdoesn't excuse the launch roster, and the game sucks
Funny thing is there's even any competition, people just straight up don't wanna make good games anymore.
>>732644479All Tekken games before 8
>>732648452We see through you poojeet. Hiding behind mexicans does nothing
>>732643956>It's not a game people can pick up and play and enjoy.Pretty much. Fighting games aren't a leisure activity people do for fun; they're a second career.
>>732645478https://www.readergrev.com/p/riot-games-pool-party-canceled-smash-meleeApparently there was one in development.
>>732650772not 7 or tag 2 or 6 or 5 though
>>732643521SF6 WINS AGAIN BABYCAN'T BEAT JURI FEET
do you guys think having this on steam will change things up?
>>732644052>are necessaryNo they're not, an unreactable throw or high chip damage is all a game "needs" to be functional.
>>732651008kek. I bet they're kicking themselves real hard now for picking 2XKO over that.
>>732646678>>732646529Don't forget the good ol' "adept stormslinger"https://streamable.com/13g0e
Its wild that riots main formula for a game is to copy existing games, and it still took them 10 years to make this.What happened to that program where they let indie companies make games in the league universe? Did that ever go anywhere?
>>732643521>>732643608>promote it with one of the most bland name in history>decide to turn it into a tag fighter because devs are MvCfags>3 mins tag combo that will make riotfags quit instantly>10 YEARS of dev for a roster with 11 CHARACTERS at launch for a TAG TEAM GAME>no multiplatform releaseOf course it was dead on arrival, lol
>>732646823>any hope for the mmorpg??Honestly, it's doomed to fail if it ever releases, I honestly don't know which kind of gameplay they have in mind for it, but looking at how much time has already taken to develop, I wouldn't have any hopes for it.If there's a rule that never fails in vidya, is that a game in development hell for too many years will be fucking garbage when it releases, this shit has consistently applied to every single game in those conditions.
>>732646141Maxwell is so fucking hot goddamn it
>>732651240If they couldn't make a half decent tag fighter with half the fgc on payroll, they weren't gonna make a smash clone worth a shit
>>732643521This is bait. I assure you that all of these people were on contract and their job ended so of course you got "laid off" that's literally the norm in game development
>>732650224The game was a WoW clone before he left, they're the ones that rebooted it for being too similar.
>>732643521Its 2xkOver
>>732643521They made the game too simple and offense is too strong. I told my friends this shit would happen. They made a button mashing dopamine stimulator instead of trying to make an actual fighting game with competitive depth.
>>732643608>ten years>for a non-existent rosterHe should be happy for trolling Riot for 10 years to deliver a game with no content, holy shit, how the fuck?
>>732643608>pedoskyDeserved
>>732651064i beat to juri feet
>>732643521hold the FUCK on...there were over EIGHTY (80) HUMAN BEINGS working on this single fucking fighting game?
>>732651571Maybe you could try reading it and finding out.>Worked at Riot 12 years, 2XKO for 10, laid off
>>732643521early KWABOTY award nominee
>>732648452You say this, but the moment corpos can get machines to sew shoes cheaper than your children, your entire economy is going to collapse. You third-worlders are nothing but our slave labour.
>let's not put the characters and skins from the clip with 653M views at launch
>>732651889this artstyle looks painfully generic
>>732647968I love SF6 so much bros its so fun
>>732651889They've put Jinx with her Arcane skin/look, TV series which won normalfags over and not even that was enough to make them play this game. It's fucked beyond salvation and pros won't care about it anymore as the dev team has revealed they plan to change gameplay AGAIN.
>>732651307i have never heard more accidental niggers in my fucking life than from this guy. i say nigger like 30 times a day with my best friend who's black, and i have accidentally mangled a word into nigger maybe once in my entire life.
>>732651889its so crazy to me that they let kda be dormant for so long and now k pop demon hunters ate that lunch and when kda comes back it'll be seen as riding on coattails
>>732652097Normalfags don't buy skins, obsessed gooners and "stans" do
>>73264360810 years? for THIS? These devs really scammed a good bit of employment out of Riot with the bare minimum to show for it.
>>732644479Smash bros ultimate lmao
>>732643608>has a bullshitkillyourself account.i can imagine this person in real life, and is disgusting.
ASW has to fuck up MONUMENTALLY in order to have this one flop.
>>732646823It's going to have to be better than classic wow to rip me away for even an afternoon. Not happening
>>732652370Looking forward to this.
>>732645492Talos has more soul than any single character in 2XKO.
>>732652097S2 didn't really had the reach of S1 thanks to the 3 years gap.I doubt most people know the edgy emo Vi from S2 more than her original S1 design, lol.
>>732652370>The granblue team in arcsys made thisYeah fuck tagslop in any form.
>>732652370Marvel is not really hype anymore, but Doomsday could be the right moment to strike.Hope they add some classic skins.
>almost no roster>waste a slit on a nobody like illaoi I dont know who at riot has a hardon for her but she's in too many side projects for her popularity.
League of Legends was really just lightning in a bottle as Riot hasn't made a single good decision since time began.
>>732652785Thats a long time to wait.
>>732652886They literally stole everything from a dota update they didn't release to make league 1.0
>>732652370Esports pros really (and I mean really) don't like the gameplay (even compared to DBFZ) so it will either flop or once and for all show that the FGC is what's holding fighting games back
>>73265290310 months
>>732652987I really hope its the latter.
>>732652941And IceFrog stole the credit for "creating" DotA. ASSFAGGOTS was all about theft from the beginning.
>>732653027Yeah that's a long time, man.
>>732653125You must be young, 10 months will be in a month for me, kek
Bring back dead or alive
>>732653083Wasn't it originally created by Eul? Whatever happened to the original data dev, or was the original first version of dota on wc3 something made by a team of guys?
>>732653167Im 39
Cammy, Aki, Ryu or Ken?guess i'll have to start playing the only fighting game that is successful
>>732653178It's being raped by gachafags plus doa6 and ng4 not being bestsellers.
>>732653351Just play whoever you think is the coolest.Ryu is the strongest shoto, but maining him will make you look like pic related
>>732643608shoulda balanced your shit, and not made broccoli hair nigger the best character just because you want everyone to see niggers fight other niggers
>>732653223eul was the creator of dota and also works for valve iirc
>>732653487no one seems cool in SF6except Akuma but i already tried him and idk...
>TagslopIt was Dead on Arrival.And yes, Tokon will die too.
>>732652817The worst part is conceptually, a big body character with setplay sounds like a really interesting type of character, but she's boring as fuck to play in this game
>>732643608Local man on gravy train upset that the locomotive has been stopped.Blame the suits and execs all you want for the 20 dollar skins.But the game itself was coded like dogshit. 3 months between the pc and console release showed the devs on the team were literally retarded. Even digimon can do a simultaneous release.
>>732646184I'd at least have tried it if it was on Steam. Oh well.
>>732650292The devs had no vision for how their game was going to play and they spent several years reworking the game in response to focus testing. In the end, it became a game that appealed to neither casuals nor FGC veterans.
>>732652817illaoi and ambessa feel like the same character to me. am i the only one?
>>732645478>average LoL playerto entice those, you need a way to let them blame someone else when they lose
>>732654034You can actually play a single character in Tokon without taging during the whole match
>>732655056they aren't?
>>732655331And you can play a single character in 2XKIA, with assists or without assists, that didn't help much, did it?
>>732644696>Max shills it for 10 years>Plays it>Dropped it and never played it againKEKYPOW
Project L takes an L
>>732643521>2XKO died faster than Fatal FuryHow the fuck is that possible?
>>732655430No, when one of your character is dead in 2XKO, you are forced to play the other one until the end of the round.In Tokon, all your characters share the same life, meaning that you are not forced to play a different character. You can just consider your other characters as assists/attacks of your main character.
>>732643521>>732643608They shouldn't have made it a tag fighter.It is entirely the fault of all of the oldheads who are on their roster and glorify MvC2 and MvC3 without realizing that those games were always more popular to watch and talk about than to actually play AND they were the hardest to play.Tag fighters are cool. They're fun. They're also like by default 300% harder than a standard fighter.They should have just made GG Strive with LoL characters. That would have worked.
>>732651661The people who designed the game are dumb. They think making the genre more accessible is getting rid of the easiest """""""hard""""""" thing about fighting games: Motion Inputs.They thought that was all that separated new players from being Daigo or Justin Wong. Too bad Justin Wong can play this game like the most degenerate spazz hyper offense grimy mofo because it is so simple and offense focused.
>>732656070Riot isn't using 2XKO to push AI sloppa
>>732655331And you will be at a disadvantage against someone who can play all characters as the situation requires. What's your point?
>>732644310SF6 is basically the most popular (non-smash) fighting game of all time. It doesn't have the sales yet, but in terms of consistent player base at all skill levels SF6 had attracted the casuals. There are even thousands of people playing single player.
>>732656223>They think making the genre more accessible is getting rid of the easiest """""""hard""""""" thing about fighting games: Motion Inputs.Granted, it's not the only step but it IS the most important one.
>>732644052Totally untrue. Reactions are important, but what people don't understand is that you take as many shortcuts to make your reactions easier.Example? Opponent is at mid range and has a fireball. You have a super that goes through them. You don't try to super his fireball, you BUFFER your super and as soon as you see the fireball you hit the button.That is a reaction that is possible due to game knowledge.
>>732656275>There are even thousands of people playing single player.Capcom did a good job with World Tour. It's basically Alpha 3's World Tour but more fleshed out.
>>732644696Because guess what? Tag fighters are niche. Tag fighters are hard to play and curated clips of evo finals having large amount of viewers does not translate into a large player base.
>>732656531I only play fighting games casually (ie. only at arcades when I drop by), but how do you buffer fireballs? Don't you have to do quarter circle motions?
>>732656275>SF6 is basically the most popular (non-smash) fighting game of all time.Nah, Mortal Kombat absolutely smothers Street Fighter in player numbers. SF6 is definitely the most popular SF game in forever and one of the most popular fighting games ever made... but they're not reaching MK numbers.>https://www.gamespress.com/Warner-Bros-Games-and-NetherRealm-Studios-Celebrate-the-30-th-AnniversMK11 did 15 million in Oct 2022 (and more since due to MK1 flopping).MK Mobile did 150 million downloads.Street Fighter is never reaching that many people.
>>732656103In 2XKO you can pick a single superpowered character instead of two, like skullgirls
How good is Street Fighter 6 as a single player action game? I like pure action games like DMC / NG and the Soulslike brand of action RPG. Does SF6's single player mode work like that?
>>732656696MK is also dead competitively and I don't know if it is alive casually. I said the sales have not caught up, but SF6 is absolutely the most popular traditional fighting game I have ever seen and I am 35 years old.Popular to me means that years after release it is not just an advertising vehicle for costume DLC and character DLC to a shrinking playerbase. It is still just an active live service game that new people still get into and play.I do agree not enough people talk about MK sales though. There is a reason WB treats MK like its baby.
>>732656753Uh, no. Not really. It's a fighting game, not an action game, they're completely different.
>>732656696>Nah, Mortal Kombat absolutely smothers Street Fighter in player numbers.You mean in sales? Because MK has never managed player retention nearly as well as SF.
>>732656753No. If you want to play single-player fighting games, it becomes a separate genre altogether. Beat 'em ups are PvE fighting games. You get the same combos, motion inputs, throws, etc. Except your opponents are all variously gimped goofs or bosses with special mechanics.
>>732656696sigh
>>732656753It is alright as a weird PvE beat'em up RPG. If you can get it on a cheap sale it is fun to fuck around in world tour mode and arcade but it is still a fighting game even with all their gimmick battles.
>>732656653You can do the motion and then only press the button if you see the other character doing something. You obviously have a small window, so it takes practice
>732656919>esports faggotry
>>732656070A lot of the FGC treats the game like shit, but at the end of the day, CotW is still a good fighting game that gave out free DLC and a cheap season pass which will ensure that it retains some kind of playerbase. 2XKO was been in development for 10+ years, had all the Riotfags and FGCshills batting for it and tournaments were really pushing for it to be a big thing since they saw big dollar signs in their futures if the game succeeded. But when you make your "newbie friendly" fighting game (that's supposed to drag in assfaggots players that have never touched a fighting game in their life) a goddamn tag fighter with some of the most degenerate shit imaginable, you're failing at your initial goal. Not being able to pull in the normalfags isn't a rarity though, hell that's what happened with Fatal Fury. But you still have people playing the game, because actually playing the game is fun. By all accounts I've seen, playing 2XKO is not, it's full of absurdly priced MTX bullshit that gets shoved in your face constantly and the roster is smaller than my dick./v/ says sometimes in fightan threads that the quality of the game doesn't matter, just brand power. But I think that only applies to SF and Tekken, even Mortal Kombat eventually fizzled out again after years of dogshit gameplay and mtx shit. If you're a new game on the block like 2XKO, you better have something for people to latch onto, or else people are going to drop your ass real quick. I'm sure the peak player count for 2XKO was way higher than CotW's peak, but the drop off is so much more severe that Riot decided to gut the team.
>>732643608>10 years of development>game releases with same amount of fighters as the original Smash Bros>"bro wtf why am I being laid off???"
>>732657089CotW has issues that it is just kinda ugly (to me) and has fucking Ronaldo and shit in the game. However, I'll never disrespect CotW by comparing it to 2XKO.
>>732656753>How good is Street Fighter 6 as a single player action game?If you want a good modern fighting game for solo, go for Granblue Fantasy Versus (don't know if the solo is still in Rising)
>>732656753World Tour feels like a budget beat em up, it's not good but it's still more than the average fighting game singleplayer content
>>732643608Dont post whining about getting fired on social media.
>>732657215The solo in rising is shitty dumbed down version. They straight up removed the RPG elements.
>>732657215GBFV is barely a fighting game.
>>732656851>>732656961>>732657215>>732657317Thanks for your replies. What a shame. Recently I enjoyed Ninja Gaiden 4 enough to beat it on Master Ninja and while I'm having a good time with Code Vein 2 and Nioh 3 is waiting for me, I'm always looking for action games of that nature. Everyone raves about SF6's single player mode so I hoped it to be an action game but on a 2D plane; shame it seems to be just a glorified fighting game tutorial mode after all.
>>732656070COTW has infinite saudi money, and the saudis also bought EVO>>732657089It is a good gameI didn't stick with it because I did not vibe with the gameplay in the beta tests, but it did not feel bad2XKO felt actively bad
>>732657089Cotw lost me with fucking Ronaldo and the faggot DJ
>>732656817>MK is also dead competitivelyIt was never alive, anon. NR games have their reputation and people who play fighting games on anything resembling competitive level steer fairly clear of them.>>732656879Yeah, the only stat that matters as far as the industry is concerned.A game played by 100 000 people for 5 years is worthless.A game played by 15 000 000 people for 5 months is a goldmine.It's the exact same with CoD or Battlefield compared to forever-games like Counter-Strike. They also sell double digit millions and stop existing within a year. And that's exactly how EA and Activision Blizzard want it.
>>732657650>A game played by 100 000 people for 5 years is worthless.Dude... are you serious? This isn't the SNES dude. DLC. Costumes. Cosmetics. Battlepasses. MK literally cancelled all future DLC and SF6 is releasing their current season of characters and then releasing another season after (and probably for the next 5 years).Investors understand DLC. Shareholders understand engagement rates. Shareholders understand that SF6 will make more money in 2026 than MK1 will. SF6 made more money last year too. And basically every year except the one where MK1 released.
>>732643521soon
All of this negative talk about COTW is pretty funny given how hard /v/ hyped it as the Street Fighter killer back when the game was first announced.
>>732657895This shit happened
This is 100% on being a shitty tag figther made by fucking retards that are part of the "FGC"Should have been a normal fighting game made for people who never touched a fighting game before. No nigger tier 15 second combos none of that shit.
>>732657895No one thought that once they saw the italian DJ and ronalod.
>>732657997I wonder how long people will continue to consults pros to ruin their game, lol.There are graveyards filled with card games designed by MTG pros
>>732643608Pat said Clayton was lying when he said it was 10 years old, and that it was only 6. Now that he got fired he admits it's 10 years old. I can't with these schizos. Common Clayton W.
>>732643521I find tag fighters way too hard to play as a (shit) fightan fag, can't imagine how it is for absolute beginnersI don't know if it will be good but marvel tokon is also way less reliant on tagging and you still have a "main" character
Why do people even have faith in Riot?
>>732658150This isn't on riot this is because the fgc is mainly made up with retards who should stick to playing game and have zero input on balance or design.
>>732658110YeahI got to celestial in Strive and Master on Gief in SF6 and I couldn't wrap my head around 2XKO. The game felt so hard to play even with baby special move buttons. Then facing actual people was a nightmare. I bounced off of it super hard and went back to SF6.I am a casual at fighters.
>>732658150Riot paid them
>>732657089Like the other anons mentioned, Fatal Fury's biggest crime was the guest characters (and even then, people came around to liking Salvatore).In comparison, that is fucking peanuts to all the dogshit in 2XKO.
>>732643521It's hilarious that the general gaming public are more worried about what this says about the mmo than 2xko itself, nobody fucking cares
The funniest part is that making a fighting game actually accessible to normal people is the easiest thing to do:>Remove motion inputs and instead map specials and supers to two button combinations like non-fighting games with large player moveset and tools do >Remove bars, stocks and all of that shit; simply give supers a cooldown like non-fighting games with special super attacks / techniques do >Remove combos longer than three hits: more than that and then the combo ends, returning both players to the starting position>Design the game in a way that frame data study and memorization isn't obligatory. Any other videogame genre allows people to play and have fun without spending thousands of hours analyzing, memorizing and learning frame data That's all you need to do. Do that and add a colorful cast, and you can easily dethrone any traditional fighting game.
>>732658528This nigga wants fucking divekick
>All characters have charge heavy's and partially charge heavy's with air versions required for combos.When even DNF Duel was easier to grasp but failed, you know something went wrong
>>732658590Of course not; Divekick was a parody that accidentally had the right idea.
>>732643521reminder that back in novemeber people estimated that there were roughly 4k players in total every 24h.Theres no wonder Riot is pulling the plug.
>>732658408>Biggest crimeTheir biggest crime was bringing kain back from motw bro. Its not even the guest characters, they toned him down but he still turns the charselect and gameplay into polarized and predictable boing aids in both games.
>>732645492BASED
>>732657089CotW is never gonna be a mainstream fighter, but I can see it having a long shelf life like Blazblue has.
>>732658528even at casual level this doesn't sound fun at all
>>732658528>Remove motion inputs and instead map specials and supers to two button combinations like non-fighting games with large player moveset and tools do if you're getting filtered because you can't do a quarter circle, you're gonna get filtered by harder shit in fighting gamespeople bounce off SF6 or GBVSR even though they have one button specials>Remove bars, stocks and all of that shit; simply give supers a cooldown like non-fighting games with special super attacks / techniques do Worst idea I've ever seen2XKO gives you super meter on roundstart and the consequence is you can literally just super tag as soon as the game starts>Remove combos longer than three hits: more than that and then the combo ends, returning both players to the starting positionAgain this is retardedReturn to neutral is also stupid on commital hits, if you did something unsafe you should be rewarded>Design the game in a way that frame data study and memorization isn't obligatory. Any other videogame genre allows people to play and have fun without spending thousands of hours analyzing, memorizing and learning frame data You can play and have fun without learning shitEveryone who plays fighting games has ran against that low/mid level player that has a shit ton of hours and just plays by feel and does a bunch of wack shit
>>732643608>10 years>Still a closed beta
>>732658841Their biggest crime was letting their competitive balance team take a 1 year vacation.
>>732658669To me, Partial Charge is the weirdest choice they've made with that gameIt makes routing sometimes super weird and unfamiliar compared to regular links/juggles, and it doesn't really feel rewarding like say Luke's perfect knuckle in SF6
>>732658528Please never design a video game
>>732659024You're someone who has spent 30 years playing fighting games and have the mental speed to analyze a complex situation and execute the right maneuver in the span of a few miliseconds. You simply can't sympathize with or even understand normal people so you dismiss those changes.
>2XKO didn't meet expectations >Marathon is going flop>Riot moving forward with Riftbound, the Valorant Destiny game (Project T) and Runeterra MMORiot Games loves burning money
>>732643521lmao
>>732643521The gameplay was fine, but fighting games are always niche and the expectation that this would be a success like League was always delusional.>>732643608All pedosky users deserve to be fired.
>>732644759>>732644743>>732643521I thought they bought the Rising Thunder devs for a LoL fighting game.Why did it take 10 years? I don't get it. They started with an almost finished game
>>732643608What's with this retarded publisher not giving their devs a deadline or something? Sony did 7 years and Riot gave 10 years for nothing? At this point it's just a bunch of money laundering schema.
>>732656140didn't dbzfighters sell well?
>>732659734Riftbound is printing money thoever
A better name could've saved the gameAnd more charactersAnd fewer buttons
>>732659734What happened to Legend of Nunu, are they still doing that?
>>732659734I highly doubt the mmo will be launched.
>>732659427I started actually learning them beyond mashing less than three years ago and I was so shit I couldn't hit confirm Strive's gigantic ass counterhits I know what it's like to be actual fucking dogshit, I had fun back then, I got better, I'm still having fun
>>732660513All first sets for TCGs do, let's see how the second set performs
>>732643521THE TIMELINE >2016>The Cannon brothers make Rising Thunder (RT) a simple input cooldown based 1v1 fighter>Riot is so impressed and on the high of lol being mega popular they buy the Cannons studio to make RT into a league spinoff >The Cannons do this while hiring their pro player friends>One work day they play mvc2>This gives them brain bugs>Scrap RT to make a tag game>Announce it as project L in 2019, no release date >Pandemic happen >2021>Still nothing >Strive releases with good rollback and takes the FGC by storm>2023>Still nothing >SF6 releases and takes the world by storm, tons of new players Japan fucking adores it to this day >2024>Nothing >2025>Close alpha tests >Finally open beta in september, this is the games release pretty much >10 characters>2026>Jan 20 console release and "official release">Feb 9>They announce they're slashing the team in half because it failed to get enough players >Uncertainty if it even will make it a year>Marvel Tokons steam page launches>20 characters
>>732660546Yes, new hires for the Runeterra MMO and it got mentioned in a promotional Wild Right video.
So NOW they're gonna try to save face and put in all the popular skins and characters right? K/DA, Akali, Sett, Riven, Thresh, Pyke...They fucking fired the designers for Yasuo/Ekko and Illaoi/Blitz/Caitlyn
>>732660645IDK dude I thought Riftbound would flop because it's clearly the most boring cashgrab ever but it didn't so I assume it'll be fine until year 2/rotation which will finally knock the momentum (And maybe riot will kill it because of how they are)
>>732660554The Valorant Destiny rip off might launch before the Runeterra MMO, and flop faster than Marathon, 2XKO and recent Destiny 2 paid content.
>>732649075>being this much of a lying retardYou are either a jew or a goyim, in either case kill yourself. Not only are none of the images generated explicit, if you honestly believe any of these countries who are mass-importing child rapists actually care about any of this and that this is anything other than a power grab because they just don't want a big platform that they can't censor, it's too late for you. But who am I kidding, you have no clue what is happening. You didn't even read any of the stupid headlines from propaganda rags, you just listened to others who did on some groomer-hub like discord.
>>732660757Riot management is retarded and enough to cancel it within a week of launching the 2nd set.
>>732643521How to fix the game's spending problem: release Vex with a skimpy bikini
See what happens when you don't give players what they really want?
>>732661205Shortstack sexo
I would rather drink bleach than ever play a Riot game of any kind to be honest, but I can't understand why they didn't just copy Guilty Gear Strive's gameplay instead of making an autistic as fuck tag fighting game.Like they genuinely thought because of guys like Maximilian Dood eulogizing MvC games that people preferred tag fighting games over any other fighting sub genre even though easy games like Slime Fighter 6 has the most players right now, Chinks and Japs don't give a shit about tag fighters either.
>>732661337They mistakenly thought duos would unify the FGC and Riot Games player base.
>>732661205I never played the fighting game, are there no yordles? Yordles are the only interesting characters
>>732652370it's already flopping, Capcom defined how Marvel characters should play, they can't follow that
>>732661457Teemo is in it
>>732661457I would include Bard, Jhin, Zac and Singed.
>>732643521riot better hurry up with that deadlock clone
>>732661457>>732661536Teemo sexo haha
it needed League OGs, no one gives a fuck about league characters that came out after S3
>>732661536Just googled the roster, why the fuck did they make a tag fighter with so few characters? This shit isn't Skull Girls
>>732661603>Paragon and Battleborn floppedHow about no?
>>732661451Duos are unironically the most fun part of 2XKO though
>>732661670They listened to Leffen and Sonicfox
It's granblues fault the game flopped. They stole the sixth screen
>>732661718I know, what a shame. Nobody cares about duos
>>732660749They fired most of the character designers which is a red flag new content isn't going to last long.
>>732661968Character design was the worst thing about the game.
>>732661748Why are tournaments sucking the game off so hard when nobody seems to like it or play it?
>>732643521Good. No one cares about Tooxco and its extremely lame artstyle
>>732661968they fired the lead champ designer who explicitly went on to say that he made ekko, the most broken toxic character in the game hated by all they also fired marlinpie who made yasuo and teemoand the woman behind braum, blitz and cait
>>732662118Because riot dumped a bunch of money into it the same way they forced league to be popular where they went to tournaments lan tournaments and paid them to keep dota out and league in until riot became big enough that they didn't need third party tournaments.
>>732643521>bsky.socialGo. Back.
DNF lasted longer than 2xko
>>732660503DBZ is one of the biggest IPs in the world. It could sell anything.
>>732643608>Ten years on 2XKOWtf it's been that long in development????My sense of time is all screwed up, I feel like 2XKO was only announced like 5 years ago.
>>732658070I like Clayton's hair.But he needs to stop posting his medical record online, respect your own privacy bro.
>>732662581@grok is this real?
>>7326435212XKO is in the top 3 most popular fighting games this year, and valvetrannies still try to push the "dead game" narrative, while Deadflop's player count is barely beating a game about a cartoon banana on Steam despite Valve heavily botting the game ROFLMAO.
>>732646184This. Fucking lefty Troonimals really has the gals, they REALLY FUCKING THINK I will download a fucking Epic launcher just to play their TRANSEXUAL GAME?! Like holy fucking shit are they this fucking disconnected?! Like really?God damn. Also fuck Microsoft. Fucking animals really wanted to fucking make PC through Xbox make it a subscription based service?! You wanted us to pay subscription through a """""""""""""Personal""""""""""""""(as in personal; ie: personal= you own) computer?! I am just so drunk and speechless. The fucking gals of the STD ridden Goy cattle named Bill Gates and the fact that is part of the Epstein files.
>>732662998Aren't Deadlock numbers botted like the other F2P Valve games?
>>732643521Should've launched with Akali and without the nigger that somehow always has to be front and center.
