>worst controller design of all time stands in your way:
>>732748272steam controller is the comfiest controller for couch PC use.I will fight to the death over this opinion.
>>732748272>worst controller design of all timeWhy didn't you post a pic of it then?
>>732748463>t. jeet
>>732748536Jeets love microslop THOUGH
>>732748272i want this so i can play rts games on my tv
when's the release date
>>732748272FUCKING LET ME BUY IT ALREADY GABEN YOU FAT OVERWEIGHT ROUND BULGING MASSIVE TOWERING SUBSTANCIAL LUMPISH INFLATED LARGE IMPOSING MOUNTAINOUS COLOSSAL PLUMP GINORMOUS HUGE MONOLITHIC WALLOPING CYCLOPEAN MEATY CORPULENT MONUMENTAL HULKING BOUNDLESS LEVIATHAN BLUBBERY HUMONGOUS VAST GIGANTESQUE OBESE IMMEASURABLE MONSTROUS VOLUMINOUS IMMENSE PUDGY ELEPHANTINE SIZABLE BROBDINGNAGIAN FLABBY HEAVY OVERSIZED CONSIDERABLE HEFTY BLOATED TUBBY BIG-BONED ROTUND GARGANTUAN WELL-FED LARDWHALE NIGGER
>>732748272This is the single worst mainstream console controller and the only people who disagree are a bunch of nostalgiafags who grew up with an N64 and then joined the nintendo defence forceif you physically need to take your hand off the controller to grab another part of he controller, then you fucked up in b4 "b-b-but most games don't even use the DPAD so you don't need to swap grips at all!" then it's a shitty fucking design because 1/3 of the controller real estate is being fucking wasted
>>732748708it was supposed to be early 2026 so im assuming this month is the deadline unless something changed
>>732748272Actually the best first party controller. Steam>Snoy>Microshit.>Back buttons>Halleffect>Trackpads>God tier gyro (snoy is also good)I think it's the perfect controller, I'm still using my pair of dual sense controllers, but I'll switch, ASAP.>B-but muh 3rd party xxx glazer tiger 8bit gooner flydidi pro wireless gulikit prokill yourself
>>732749060I can't see any benefits of the track pads. It makes the controller bigger than it needs to be.
>>732749001i'd say it means first quarter of the year so by end of april, but could also mean in the first 6 months
>>732748272>>732748463you're both wrong
>>732748896You said it yourself no games used the d-pad, period. The Dreamcast controller was worse desu the d-pad (which almost every game used) was trash, it needed two sticks and four shoulder buttons but didn't have them
>>732749173It's crazy how tiny this thing is compared to the dualsense
>>732748896Controller real estate is cheap tho
>>732748463that's the best one though
>>732748272the steam deck is similarly wonky-looking but actually feels great to hold, i have no reason to think they haven't done their homework with this one too
>>732749265Would be better if it had the xbox stick layout
>>732749164im retarded but so are youthe end of march is the end of the first quarter of the year so ~2 months at worstunless the 6 months option is on the table which shifts the retardation to valve because who the fuck calls the first half of the year "early 2026"
>>732749118it enables you to play more games comfortably with it, idk if you've used the sneed deck but it unironically makes factory tism games like Factorio, dorf fort, or Oxygen Not Included playable pretty comfortably
>>732748272What if I don't want to use it for steam but for emulation shit? Does it still just work?
>>732748272The design means fuck all. Ergonomics might actually be great once held, if the back is designed properly.The problem is the d-pad, there's no mention of it being actually decent. I had modded my deck d-pad to hell and back and honestly it's just not what I'd call usable.Also, it has many gimmicks for sure, but some probably cheaper chinese (and still durable) controllers out there might already be better in some aspects (wireless input latency, analog stick technology, since TMR turns out not to be the best of them all, better HD rumble, soft mechanical buttons, trigger locks...). Still I have no doubts it's going to be -the- gyro pad. The fucker has too many gimmicks related to gyro. They really want people to use that and I'm hoping they push it to be closer to a standard rather than this thing you have to get into a menu and endlessly calibrate to mimic a mouse (and it's more useful on a gamepad than a handheld, because you're not moving the screen so you can be more aggressive with controller movements).
>>732749231>no gyro>best>no trackpads>best>no TMR sticks>best>not even fucking back buttons>best
>>732749352It wouldn't though
>>732749616Wrong
>>732748272only thing wrong with it is not using AA batteries, I want to be able to hot swap Eneloops into it, fuck charging my shit while using it
>>732749531As long as you add the emulators to Steam, yes.
>>732749616Right.>>732749637Wrong.
>>732749570It's not just about the gimmicks.It's not a durable controller. Analogs are definitely low quality and not any less prone to drift than any other first party controller.It's not great latency wise.It doesn't include an external rechargeable battery, you have to buy that separately. Which for the price it's a bit scummy.Internally, it's designed so that face buttons don't make solid contact from all edges, and they kept this design for 2 console generations, so 2 fairly different controllers.Ergonomically it's not that different from a lot of better chinese clones.The buttons are loud and sticky somewhat.They spent time and money on a gimmick that works with almost no games (it works with what, forza?), and is definitely less useful than most (trigger feedback).The only thing xfriends have with this controller is that they have 1500 different colors to choose from. They can print any sort of faggot flags on it.
>>732749706cope
>>732748272It's between that or this piece of steaming shit
>>732748272I wish they'd add trigger stops
>>732749772Agreed on your other points, but none of those things are gimmicks. They actively make playing games a better experience.
>>732749898For a lot of games you can live without those.I mean if you're going to aim a lot with gyro for instance, TMR is not that useful. Just have something durable. Trackpads are the same, the only thing I ever use trackpads for on my deck is for using the desktop mode, and some command wheel on Retrodeck. Don't get me wrong, I love the concept of using a trackpad for extra bindings on a wheel. I wish it was more officially supported.Back buttons are mostly only useful as extra buttons, and it so happens that most multiplatform games don't exactly make use of any functions you can't bind to a regular gamepad with the standard xinput layout. Speaking of, the back buttons on the deck feel disgustingly cheap, holy shit. I can see some games benefiting from having those buttons, but again, another thing that is less useful by not being standard enough.
>>732748272Ive been using the steam deck recently and am unconviced about the track pad placement. Sure the deck is heavier but my hands have to hold the device in a weird way to get a good angle on the pads. the pads themselves feel great and the button function is way better than SC. Some kind of guide would help to keep your movement steady like the SC left pad cross.
>>732748463This. PS controllers > Xbox controllers.How the fuck the latter became more popular is BEYOND me.
>>732750241American chose the american company and their inferior product I know public companies are global and not tied to any nationality. This is more about the consumer perception.
>>732750178>For a lot of games you can live without thoseMostly because those aren't standard features and thus games aren't designed around them. Dual sticks weren't used properly right away either. If they were on every controller, games would use them and be better for it.
>>732748272It's incredible how Microsoft's controllers haven't advanced since 2004. Is it hubris or incompetence? We've moved beyond the kludge of joystick aiming.
>>732750241Not that difficult to understand, the representation of a "gaymer" back in the late 2000s/early 2010s was the greasy kid playing cock of duty and this gamepad became standard because the dualshock 3 didn't have the best analog controls or "ergonomics". Controllers were being designed for 3D games over 2D, prioritizing the xbox layout (specially console FPS). Shit I have a controller with capacitive sticks (no, not like the deck, these are just supposedly very precise sticks) and I tried playing some first person game with it and analog aiming still sucks some mean dick.
>>732750241>PS controllers > Xbox controllersTrue, but not by much. Steam Controller mogs both.>How the fuck the latter became more popular is BEYOND me.Windows existing and retards thinking that it'll work better because it has the microslop logo on it.
>>732748896you fundamentally don’t understand the controller
>>732750407Yeah but it took one generation to make this work, and by the 360/PS3/Wii gen, right analogs were essentially required.We've been using motion controls, hell, gyro since back then, and it's still this niche thing that works on a few nintendo games and sony games officially, but that's about it. And on Steam there's crazy amounts of customization for gyro control for games that are usually operated with mouse and keyboard, but unfortunately, it's a layer on top that needs extra configuration. And a learning curve that people are not handling well.That said, the new steam controller aims (heh) to make this process of using gyro more comfortable with the grips. They definitely don't give up on gyro.
>>732748878based
>>732748463Outdated internals the controller
>>732750178I'll agree with most of those except the back buttons. They are a must any time you need to keep your thumb on the thumbstick.
>>732748272Gonna be honest, that's exactly what I thought when I first saw it.But, if I've managed to play Elder Ring with the previous Steam Controller, I'm sure I'll manage with this one too.After trying the trackpads on the Steam Deck, I can no longer go back...>>732749118I can assure you: if you ever want to play a point&click game, or another game where you NEED a mouse, trackpads are a godsend.
>>732748272It looks chonky like the Duke controller
>>732750749Which is never, if you have a proper controller.
>>732751357what is this a controller for deep rock galactic players?
>>732749118They're good for mouse driven menus, which are necessary so that a game can have good menus.>>732748896You don't need a d-pad for 3D games and you don't need an analog stick for 2D games.>>732749231The only reason it's not the worst at everything is because of how sloppy ports became after 2005. The Xbox controller was obsolete in the mid-90s due to mouselook>>732750556Motion controls weren't supported by Xinput, which was the de facto standard for bad ports.Sony actively shied away from using motion controls in 8th gen due to how badly Microcock fumbled the Xbone.The right analog stick would not have taken off if most games just did not support using it and engines didn't streamline making games for dual analog.
>>732750430It's better than analog stick by far, but if you're not dead set on couch gaming a mouse is still better
>>7327514833D printed highly repairable controller with autistically good gyro. Capsense around the face buttons, so you can use them while still aiming.
>>732751357that looks horrid
>>732751264I thought the idea of trackpads was shit, given I only used that on laptops (and a magic trackpad which worked surprisingly fine, but still didn't find it useful for something like a handheld). But then I tried it on the 'eck and trackball mode just makes it much more usable. I'm really quickly able to use it because of that. I thought it'd operate like a standard trackpad (well, I guess it can but that's not the default). Being able to drag a mouse all over the screen really fast without having to increase the sensitivity or use some weird mouse acceleration is nuts.
>>732751590They work great and feel great. I've got around 300 hours in Helldivers 2 with 'em.Don't print the body in white. A hundred hours of hand sweat shows up in the gaps.
>>732749173You posted the best controller of all time
>>732751798lol, lmao even
>>732750430that's slow as shit, using a mouse is better
>>732751670sort of thinking about getting the injection molded successor modelthat's really a chunk of change for what the steam controller 2 might fill the gap for thoughshame steam controller 2 can't have the pads in the 1's positions though, the pads are ideal for comfort
>>732751670>starts at 150 bux>more like 200 if you want it in wirelessi'm good thanks lol
>>732749173i own one of these and I've had nothing but problems>R2 started to press itself after a while, can't really play PS3 games with it anymore since I can't manually set deadzones>both sticks have drifted, needed to calibrate them and the loss of precision was notable, but nothing I couldn't adjust to>R1 was hyper-spamming itself, needed to buy an entirely new contact film for it (why are we still designing controller with contact films?)>all the clips in the case immediately broke, we couldn't just have the screws hold everything together? said screws rusted out because my sweaty fingers are constantly touching them toooutside of that, it works genuinely wonderfully, but I really need a new controller. probably gonna get a black Dualsense customized with TMRs
>>732750556>We've been using motion controls, hell, gyro since back then, and it's still this niche thing that works on a few nintendo games and sony games officiallyThat's because microsoft REFUSES to add it to their controllers. This leads to devs not wanting to implement it on ps and switch because it would put xbros at a disadvantage. If the xbox only had a left stick, dual stick control schemes would see similar difficulty in adoption.
>>732749531How can you be this dumb?Zoomers are so tech illiterate its unreal
>>732751941Reading comprehension, anon. The xbox controller isn't a mouse.
>>732748272amateur.
>>732752093See I don't like the Valve monopoly thing but it'd be nice if Valve could push developers to basically forget about Microsoft since it now has become another prostitute like Sega.
>>732752018I'm torn. Steam Controller 2 looks excellent, but the Alpakka 2 puts the capacitive sensor around the buttons again and that's the best spot for it easy. I switched from my OG Steam Controller to the Alpakka for a reason.
>>732749570>no bullshitsounds like a win, but could use some back buttons I suppose
>>732752179The problem is that you'd need to get Microsoft to completely drop Xbox marketing and get the industry to completely memoryhole the Xbox brand and iconography.Until then people will still buy garbage that only has Xinput and no modern features and get frustrated when it doesn't work.It does not help that hundreds of random studios were paid off in 7th gen to be useful idiots and proclaim that "This game works best with an Xbox gamepad", even though that was consistently the worst input method.
>>732752267>gyro>bullshitIf you're using aim assist you're not actually playing the game.
>>732748569it doesn't matter if he calls you jeet first. that's how it works
>>732752276God what a fucking stain in the market they have become, it's really unfortunate.
>>732752295you expect people here to actually play games?
>>732752347Nobody here is a filthy journo, right?
>>732752162Trying to play Tony Hawk on this thing is agony.
What's the point of the trackpads when a mouse is better for all games that need it?
>>732752406So you can actually play games with a controller. There're good bindings for factorio on steamdeck.
>>732751798>layout only usable for twin-stick shooters and platformers>touchpad in a completely unusable location for cursor input, only ever used as extra buttons>tokyo stick drifting>stick caps disintegrate after a month>battery dies in two days>made for tiny-handed Asians and Mexicans>"""best"""
>>732752452Why the FUCK would I want to play Factorio with a controller???
>>732752519Because you're not at your desk.
>>732752406The point of all of these things that are somewhat inferior than keyboard and mouse is that you can use them on a small controller with no need for a surface. A lot of people are still more fond of using a controller to play games than using input devices that were initially designed for work and using computer interfaces but have been slowly adapted to gaming. Like if I'm on a couch, I don't care really good wireless keyboards and mice exist, it's still kind of annoying to have to use those on an unstable surface.
>>732752545why do you even have Factorio if you're not perma-welded between your chair and desktop
>>732752545Why the FUCK would you just not get a comfortable chair then...?
>>732752581Because it's a good game.
>>732752568I literally just grabbed a plank of wood from my garage and a pillow and use that whenever I need keyboard and mouse on the sofa
>>732752406I won't give a smug answer based on use cases that don't matter to you.In your case, the trackpads may be useful as:>extra buttons (you can map macros to any input)>radial menus>incidental mouse inputs in games where there's a benefit for it
>>732752586A chair is a worse input method than a controller, anon. Are you stupid?
>>732752406Using a controller is more comfortable. Trackpads make basically all of PC gaming accessible from the couch with a level of precision not far off from a mouse.>>732752519I haven’t played Factorio, but I’ve played a bunch of RimWorld on my Deck and it’s very comfy. If you don’t care for controllers or couch gaming or leaning back while playing or holding your input device in your lap while playing or any of the other comfort advantages a controller might offer, then it’s just not for you I guess.>>732752586Chair is too limiting. My body demands the couch and bed.
>>732752629Yeah that fucking sucks bro, and I did something similar. It's nowhere near as comfortable as just grabbing a god damn controller. The only place where the mouse belongs is on a proper desk with a decently sized mousemat.
>>732752632Radial menus are under fucking rated and most people don't know the joys
>Steamfags hate keyboards + mouses nowJesus Christ
>>732752629That sounds retarded. The desk is the domain of M&KB.
>>732751357>3D printed controllerWorst controller ever made slipped under the radar all this time.
>>732752724I think steamfags just hate sitting at the computer because it fucking sucks
>>732752724Valve hardware is aimed at 30+ year old white men. That demographic has already played every game worth playing on KBM, and they spend all day at a desk for their jobs.
>>732750454There was no option for PC controllers outside of an Xbox controller or really shitty third party ones until fairly recently. Yon couldn't plug a PS3 controller into a PC and have it work lol, you actually needed a special device IIRC . And then get a special program to run it through
Any controller that doesn’t have a trackpad is worthless in my eyes now. Any game that doesn’t support proper mixed input I now see as lesser and low effort. The only thing I could think of improving is if they could somehow jam a keypad for typing on the bottom.
>>732752773Honestly?In my 20s I had no issue with NEETing about and playing games on my PC, sitting on a shitty chair, with that desk, mouse, keyboard whatever.Now I'm old and I spend several hours a day doing that at work. When I'm at home I don't like playing on the fucking computer. Even with a chair that costs a fucking grand. I'd rather get away from that. Just give me some fucking comfort.
>>732752934>having a mind that fucking weakYou sound like a faggot Anon
>>732752992its not an uncommon feeling from what ive heard
>>732752992You sound young and unawareIdeally we'd be not sitting for several hours at all but you're just going to waste your youth doing stupid shit anyways
>>732752992 16 hours on the computer and a herniated disc will make you crawl on the floor for days
>>732751498>You don't need a d-pad for 3D games and you don't need an analog stick for 2D gamesWhy are you even playing 2D games on an N64? Thats a step backwards for the era. The N64 controller was fucking retarded. There is a reason why almost every controller today is a PS/Xbox type layout. They achieve the exact same task without the need to move your hand by moving the D-pad in range of your joystick thumb.
i just hope the release of the steam controller 2 gives a big bugfix/update to steam inputit's fun setting up my own control schemes for games on my steam deck (don't like using community ones, would rather just make one myself that feels comfy to me) but there's some annoying bugs like shit not saving/exporting properly sometimes, layouts not loading, fucking ACTION LAYERS being fucking broken and you have to use action sets which an increased pain in the ass to use compared to layers i wiped my cookies and now i have a god awful captcha holy fuck
>>732752846I recall connecting a DS3 to my laptop using a regular USB cable, but yeah it needed special drivers to run. Meanwhile the DS4 is plug and play with both Windows and even Linux.
>>732753428>i just hope the release of the steam controller 2 gives a big bugfix/update to steam inputSame.>don't like using community onesI wish there was a better way to manage and share community layouts, the current one is complete dogshit.Maybe the new Steam Controller and Steam Machine will push toward that...
>>732748463xbox controller best controller for white man, was made for white man's hands>>732748896>>732749173>>732749872made for tiny asian hands>>732748272THE FUCK IS THAT?!
>>732753428valve are such lazy niggers to be totally honest. they do so much but at the same time why is it just not perfect. you literally have the infinite money fountain
>>732753589>THE FUCK IS THAT?!the future. come home white man…
>>732748878Exactly how I feel.
>>732753595> they do so muchWhat do they do they literally just have a storefront lmao.
>>732753702they contribute a lot to the open source scene and that store front is rather good and feature rich
>>732753595They try to be open to everything but that makes things less manageableI mean they have to support a lotta shit. Ever since they released SteamOS for more devices than the Deck it's been receiving nonstop beta versions with bugfixes for all sorts of random devices. They can't get Nvidia onboard though. They have real trouble with those people. Software side they have to do a lot of shit.
>>732753631should have named it the Steam Wakanda
>>732748463It's my current favoriteAmazing dad, hilarious that I fucked it in the elite version
>>732753959Fuck me for phone postingdpad* they* fucked it
>>732749173I hate it so much.
>>732754024Riiight, you dad fucker
>>732752046I own 4 and I think every single one has issues.>One controller spazms random input and it can not be reasoned with>Another has permanent damage to the joystick mechanism, tilting it to the side (Thanks God Hand)>The last 2 have small signal based drift that is at least fixable with a bigger deadzone.
>>732752519For the challenge anon. Don't tell me you treat games as a chore to be done as efficiently as possible?
>>732753428>i just hope the release of the steam controller 2 gives a big bugfix/update to steam inputSame. I have like 40 open bug reports for Steam Input on the tracker.
>>732752846>Yon couldn't plug a PS3 controller into a PC and have it work lolLiterally plug-and-play on Linux
>>732753589>THE FUCK IS THAT?!A cute anime girl
>>732750241>How the fuck the latter became more popular is BEYOND me.Because most games you move with the Left stick and it feels better and more natural in the xbox layout than the PS layout.It's why Nintendo even copied it.
I will not change from my Xbox Series controller and Steam Input is a garbage service I always disable.
>>732750430I never see anyone suck off gyro except tendies really weird.People never use the gyro on PS5.
>>732756096Most games move with the fucking dpad because most games are 2D games
>>732756190Oh you're just retarded.Never mind carry on.
>>732756234>Ad hominems his way out of the argument like a pussy
>>732753589>xbox controller best controller for white man, was made for white man's handsyou are neither white nor have big hands
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>>732748896why are zoomers getting filtered by the N64 controller?
>>732756276Nah, just dismissed because your premise is outdated by 20 years. Modern controllers were shaped by 3d analog movement, talking Halo, CoD, GTA. Literally any game since the PS2 era. Thats why asymetrical sticks became dominant, majority of the time your left thumb is on the left stick. Right side is different because it's almost 50/50 split between interacting and moving the camera. Nintendo copied it because they know it's better for sustained analog movement.You're fine to still argue with your SNES era design logic thats fine, but you aren;t making any serious points, you're just proving your retarded ass didn't move into 3D.
>>732749173Hell yea bruh. Play madden + gods of war wit dat thang, bruh. It’s goat.
>>732748896The N64 controller sucks and you can tell that the people responding to you are underaged and never used one.>Worst joystick ever put onto a controller ever. Would cause genuine bruising on your fingers after long periods of use>Totally unreliable. Joysticks would constantly die. Things were not made out of Nintendium. I dropped one from standing height onto a thin carpet and it stopped functioning>Buttons that overall felt bad to press. They were very lose and had a lot of give and once the controller had seen use you had to really push them into get them to work>Retarded 3 hand designProbably the worst controller for a mainstream console ever? I mean we had the keypads from the very ancient atari-like systems, but the N64 is a fucking 3d console dude.
Are you people some sort of mutant troglodytes with fucked up fingers and hands or what?Playstation controllers are atrocious in terms of ergonomics.Your thumbs are in a constant stretch if you play something where you use both sticks, like Call of Duty for example. The strain is immense.As a kid it wasn't as bad because your hands were smaller, but as you grow, the shape of the hand doesn't allow for extended periods of having your thumbs in a 90 degree angle.I always owned playstation systems as a kid, until I grew up and switched permanently to PC.I got a chance to play on a PS4 decade later, and holy fuck did my thumbs start aching within just ~30 minutes of playing.This doesn't happen with a 360 controller or the steam controller because your thumbs are always pointed where they'd be in a resting state.Guaranteed that anybody shilling for playstation controllers is a snoy that hasn't experienced any other controllers. Or they have incredibly tiny hands
>>732748878He's not fat anymore though?
>>732756482Most modern games are 2D, is not me the one who didn't move into 3D, is literally the whole industry, and it makes absolute sense, is way cheaper to make 2D games than it is to make 3D ones, just compare the budgets of the best selling games of the last year, the hollow knight sequel budget is just a fraction of battlefield 6 budget
>>732756581It's weird how Nintendo was the first one to ditch usable d-pads only to go back in the Wii era. At least the Saturn had an iconic one and older dualshocks aren't so bad (even though some people really hate sony d-pads). The d-pad on the n64 controller was absolute dogshit.I also remember the analog stick feeling way too fucking loose. The analog caps were ass. I felt the gamecube controller had some better quality to it at least (but the left analog seemed more like a hybrid for digital and analog, a jack of all trades, master of none).
>>732748272Do snoys buy the controllers for the looks or the ergonomics? Just look at the touchpads. It's the exact same concept on DS4/DualSense and Steam Controller, made to handle 2 thumbs at the same time.The difference is that on Steam Controller these can be used to aim, move or to bind shorcuts, d-pad or whatever, while on DS4/DualSense, it's a massive Select button.
>>732757319The gamecube controller is generally good other than the z-button sucking ass and the c-stick being kind of puny. I think it is overrated, however I still really liked it as a teen and it is my preferred smash bros controller still.
>>732757223Sorry that you're physically incapable of playing bowling but don't take out on random strangers.
>>732757223I get the exact opposite.I get more strain with the xbox layout than the other way around.It doesn't make sense to me that I would have to use one hand differently than the other ergonomically speaking. It doesn't make sense that I have to stretch out my finger more to use a d-pad, because the d-pad usually sits way lower on a controller than the analog, which is easier to reach in the same position. My main controller is actually a chinese gamepad with the usual xbox layout, and I still struggle with this. I don't know how old you are, I'm almost near 40, and I never felt like the d-pad should ever be the left testicle because I'm positioning the center of my thumb in the center of the d-pad.
>>732748896The amount of replies spiked tells you all you need to know about the defense force's numbers. You are absolutely right. It was an assbackwards controller design.>t. goldeneye vet.>never had to pass the last controller>>732756383why are millennials larping as gen X and fronting their poser gamer cred over zoomers?
>>732757568Also, it feels more natural to me to hit LB, L1 or whatever when the analog is down, not close to it. I feel like I have my thumb way too close to my index finger.
>>732757550The holes in the bowling ball are more ergonomic than the PS controller you retard snoy.
>>732757568You use dpad far less than the analog stickWith an xbox controller, your left thumb is in a constant resting position, if you play something like crash bandicoot, your right thumb is resting as you're using the YXBA buttons, never the right analog.how do you strain resting fingers?
>>732757848With an xbox controller you don't ever use the dpad because they're absolute garbage.
>>732757848I use both on equal measure.Again I feel no discomfort from having the ps layout for games that are usually 3D (mostly action/3rd person shooters) but I will feel some discomfort eventually when playing 2D games or games where I'd rather use an accurate non analog method of control if I'm constantly reaching for the fucking d-pad down there. It's as simple as that.
>>732757968Yeah, it's a solid fucking block, I don't understand why won't they separate the directional buttions. Either they're cheap or want to preserve the old designbut then again, which games ever use a dpad, maybe souls games for switching between gearnot that I'd ever play games on a controller since keyboard and mouse are just universally better
>>732758079> I don't understand why won't they separate the directional buttions.It's Nintendo's fault.They patented their Dpad design after refining it to an extent that no others could use it.Sony and Xbox then made their respective patents designing "The next best thing that also doesn't infringe on Nintendo's patent."Disparate Dpad drama is all Nintendo's fault by squatting on "the original" patent.similarly Namco is the reason we don't have minigames during loading screens. They patented that and never did anything with it.
>>732751357>MAIN THUMBSTICK>Latest Alps modelInto the trash it goes.>why?Potentiometers are self-destructing dogshit.
>>732758364The problem with the separate d-pad (actually separate, not just physically on top) is that it becomes harder to roll it around.For instance the dualsense has some sort of extremerate mod you can use that physically separates all buttons. Combined with the clicky kit it might seem pretty good, right? But it's actually harder to do diagonals the way you would do them normally. It makes more sense if you use the d-pad exclusively with the tip of your thumb or as truly secondary (just for menuing).
>>732758520>it becomes harder to roll it aroundOnly fighting game brownoids give a shit about this.
Whatever type of dpad the vita, someone should put it on a controller, the xbox series one is kinda similar but its absurdly stiff it ruins it.
>>732758571Look man, don't project. I know no browner people than console FPS gamers.
>>732758637I don't play console FPS. I don't even play multislop at all.
>>732752519You're still thinking in outdated terms. There's no reason a controller would be inherently worse than a mouse and keyboard for something like Factorio. A traditional controller is, sure, but the Steam Controller has both the precision of a mouse and the amount of keys of a keyboard. There's no reason NOT to play Factorio with one.
>>732752192>the elon musk car of controllers
>>732757256It may look like that, but that's false. He just reached critical mass and gained his own gravitational field that bends light to make him appear thin.
>>732758520I found the solution
>>732748272If you still think it's a bad design, you haven't played on a steam deck. Yeah it's ugly, but it's by far the best design
>>732748272Looks uncomfortable as fuck with those square pads at the bottom
>>732753589>xbox controller best controller for white man, was made for white man's handsThat explains why it breaks so often. Whites can't even make reliable cars. They keep getting outclassed by japs. Common angloid L.
>>732757223They don't think. The dualshock design is the original ps1 controller but with sticks slapped on. It has barely changed at all in it's iterations. It's nothing more than a quick fix that turned into a brand with no thought to ergonomics.
>>732759014Look, you're 100% not wrongBut it's bulky
Just release the fucking controller. I do not care at all about the other shit that has good reason to be set back.
Honestly the controller looks to me like a tanuki (raccoon with big balls)
>>732761902Not sure, maybe the controller has some onboard memory and that'll be excuse enough to make it more expensive. But it's the only piece of hardware I care about so far
>>732748896Objectively correct and no amount of N64baby asspain will change this.
>>732748896It's a retarded design but considering the time frame it was made it's almost understandable, why they didn't make it like SEGA's 3D pad is beyond me
>>732748896I don't really get why people defend it so much.
>>732757223xbox controller was akin to Jesus coming and the Jews (Sony, Steam) rejecting him
>>732748896They wanted the stick but didn't want to commit to it being being the future in case it was rejected.That being said it was a garbage design because of it. And that's not even getting into the quality of the parts
>zoomers seeing more buttons than they're used to ITT>yo wtf unc what are the others buttons for looolgayming is doomed
>>732758823>d-pad in the most privileged position>only use it to whistle for a horse, stop the radio, or get a torch outlol
xbox and its consequences have been a disaster for controller software. It's the lowest common denominator of controllers, and xinput is based on xbox. Therefore, anything not part of xbox requires janky workarounds to get functioning in most games (ie, the majority since they all rely on xinput). This means things like not having proper gyro and touchpad support on practically everything, instead needing to map their functionalities to mouse input, and good luck with even that, since there are still plenty of games that only allow xinput or KB/M input, not both together. fuck xbox, fuck niggers, fuck kikes, fuck you
>>732749223And yet still at least 3x as large as the Dualshock 2/3.Couldn't believe how tiny the Dualshock 2 was when I held it a while back. Got hand cramps within minutes.
>>732748272The fact that no one has mentioned the Switch 1's joycons amazes me.
>>732757393>it's a massive Select buttonI recall Gravity Rush 2 allowed you to do different swipes on it to change styles. Was kind of cool, but also, why couldn't that have just been assigned to a button.
>>732750241Because they are better?I ALWAYS hated the PS controller, since the PS1 and not because it is Japanese (I had Sega consoles) but because it was bad, simple as that.While the Xbox 360 fit pretty well in the hand, it has the analogical stick in the right place and it is my controller since it came out.I can't talk about other Xbox controllers because I have never touched them.
>>732750430I just can't into normal gyro, flick stick is the shit tho
>>732766378That's always the problem when you really try to force pad gimmick.Like in MGS4, you can only reset the camo in real time by shaking the pad, because of sixaxis.When you could as well press L3+R3, or any d-pad button.At least quick time events where you have to shake the pad, can secretly be done by shaking analog sticks.
>>732765365>d-pad in the most privileged position It's not though. It's awkwardly crammed to the side, like a secondary input should be. The stick is in the middle where your thumb naturally rests.
>>732748365Whilst I don't think it's as bad as people claim I do kinda take issues with the buttons and pads. A Saturn pad is proven to be best for 95% of games and those awful little clicky buttons are awful for response.
>>732752162Had the Dreamcast, I forgot how awful it's controller is.
>>732748272If your controller has glossy buttons/pad, its shit. I don't even have to touch it to know this.
>>732769764It's not that big of a deal. Not big enough to drop the greatest controller ever over, at least.
>>732748896i used this controller for years and never got the hang of it
>>732757393That's a problem with the system, not the controllers. DS4/Dualsense have all that functionality on PC too.I'd say the Dualsense also has the better touchpad design for rebinding. The placement and shape makes it as quick and comfortable to reach as an extra face (thumbs) or shoulder (index) button. Having to reach below the sticks is unwieldy by comparison. SC2 also has six extra binds on the back though, so it shouldn't be a problem to keep anything that needs quick access available.
>>732764168Because those people aren't retarded and are therefore capable of understanding simple things. Things like the N64 controller. I don't get how it's such a mystery to people like you.
>>732770134>the greatest controller ever overYou don't even own one you fucking retard
>>732752934>be hyper super genius>look down on spiritual console plebs >for I have the incredible knowledge >of putting something comfortable in front of your pc>they will never match my intellect >silly plebes Sometimes my own superiority scares me.
>>732771194Even Nintendo realized how retarded and stupid the N64 controller was. Why do you think the GameCube controller went back to a traditional two-lobed design?
>>732748272If only it had these it could be the perfect controller
>>732771138>DS4/Dualsense have all that functionality on PC too.but how is that any ergonomic to aim like with Steam Controller?>I'd say the Dualsense also has the better touchpad design for rebinding.Realistically there are just 2 binds you can use it for. Left and right side click.
>>732771893Steam Controller touchpads are probably more ergonomic purely for aiming, if you intend to be using it for that for hours straight or something. For quick camera turns or brief aiming segments like bows or other ranged attacks in Nioh, Khazan, Souls, Expedition 33, etc. the Dualsense touchpad's fine.>Realistically there are just 2 binds you can use it forNine. Left click, right click, top click, multiclick, swipe up/left/down/right, slide.
>>732772383>top clickI remember that DS4Windows by default had top click bind to turn pad light on and off, and despite me not clicking it, it constantly turned off and on.
>>732748272The amount of glaze this thing is getting from people here before it even comes out is absurd. It's got tons of features, to be sure, but #1 consideration of most any controller is ergonomics, and I can't know what until I actually hold it.
>>732772776>glazegay
>>732771308>You don't even own oneTrue, but I can see the features it will have and recognize that nothing else comes close, even if it's not out yet.
>>732771554>Why do you think the GameCube controller went back to a traditional two-lobed design?Because they knew they were going to be primarily selling 3D games on the Gamecube. The D-pad on the Gamecube is a complete afterthought and mainly used for miscellaneous inputs, but the N64 hedged its bets on whether it would still be used for 2D games.They went right back to the N64 design with the Wiimote anyway, with the sideways Wiimote grip functioning as the outside lobes and the Nunchuk acting as the center lobe.
lmao are you one of those Jewish bitches that got mad over the lost lawsuit??If no then you sure roll with them
>>732748463I will never forgive Microsoft for making the concaved d-pad a thing. Even Nintendo makes their d-pads concaved now and I fucking hate it. Not to mention swapping the A/B X/Y and d-pad top standard. Microsoft joining the console race was a disaster.
>>732773860>N64 hedged its bets on whether it would still be used for 2D games. This is precisely my point as to why the N64 controller is retarded. Hedging your bets on 2D games when the platform was designed to enter the 3D market is Nintendo having internal communication problems. The second part is that you can design a controller that allows D-pad access and joystick access without having to readjust your entire hand. The PS1 Dualshock controller achieved this and it's been basically industry standard since. And let's not pretend the d-pad on the N64 controller was any good. It was a squishy and flat piece of shit with no consideration for diagonal input. The entire thing was a classic case of the nips overthinking a problem.
>>732748272why aren't they releasing it? it doesn't have any ram, just fucking release it you stupid hacks
>>732757223Let's be honest, all controllers are badly designed. All the front facing buttons should be on the back where your fingers are, not the front.
>>732748463Based, Xbots need the bullet.
What's the best budget controller I can buy right now?
>>732748272>steamfags love to conveniently forget that around 10 years ago both the steam machine and steam controller existed>one was a complete failure and so forgotten the follow up to the product is literally named the same thing.>the other was practically given away with 90% sales like they did with steam linkNot sure why valve is determined to make shit no one buys instead of making any fucking game ending with 3.Imagine if Nintendo stopped making games and just sold shitty hardware. Absolutely astonishing what steamies accept.
>>732774859>This is precisely my point as to why the N64 controller is retarded. Hedging your bets on 2D games when the platform was designed to enter the 3D market is Nintendo having internal communication problems.Yes, it was the 90s, half the consoles only existed because of communications problems and disputes between Japanese companies.>The second part is that you can design a controller that allows D-pad access and joystick access without having to readjust your entire hand.Except why would you want to? You're designing a controller that needs to be comfortable in one position or the other and the best way to do that is to have one grip for one position and one for the other, you do not need an analog stick for 3D and vice versa.>The PS1 Dualshock controller achieved this and it's been basically industry standard since.The PS1 grafted analog sticks to a SNES controller in the only place where there was still room. An "industry standard" only emerged with the 360 and its forced sabotage of everything else in the typical Microcock fashion.>And let's not pretend the d-pad on the N64 controller was any good. It was a squishy and flat piece of shit with no consideration for diagonal input.I'm not going to pretend anything, all d-pads are kind of ass, especially during the period where all the good ideas were presumably stuck under mutually exclusive patents and never made it into the same device.
>>732748896This thing was garbage, and to think people called the gamecube one bad when this shit existed.
>>732748463it's fine but it should be $30 base.
>>732777009"Steam Machines" were third party PCs running Ubuntu before Proton and dxvk, so the current iteration has basically nothing in common with it other than it is a PC and runs Linux.The Steam Controller was only abandoned due to the patent trolling, and while it has a learning curve and the config software for it is kind of ass, it still has a usecase and revitalized controller support that was steadily being made worse and worse due to Xinput being so bad.
>>732750430No one gives a fuck about gyro.
>>732778267Glad you got the Steamie manifesto with your r/valve approved talking points.
>>732778973No one gives a shit about the controller's >>732778973touchpads either but we're not ready to have that conversation
>>732748272I want to get it just because how ridiculous it looks. Also because of fomo, I really regret not getting the first steam controller, even though it was apparently turbo shit. Don't care much about their shitbrick console/pc hybrid
>>732751357>>732751670>>732752192>all those edgesAh yes, I'm a masochist and want my hands to hurt as much as possible while gaming.
>>732778973You will never win a console generation.
>>732781235Uhhhh are you 12? Who the fuck cares about "winning" most sales of hardware? People don't use gyro so Xboxchads would rather take the current controller as is rather than Microsoft shove shit in it and increase the price for all of 20 people to use the feature.
