they gotta take their sweet ass time with sad-dad game #26

>>732750449
One day every major studio decided that they shall spend hundreds of millions and 5+ years to make one underwhelming game!

>>732750449
games cost too much to make and take too long to release so when they do release most opt for a multiplat approach to make the most amount of money. nintendo is basically the only console manufacturers that offers any amount of exclusivity

What happen? AAAA+ Games cost more than movies to make. That happen.

>>732750449
It has 2 exclusives.
1 of which will most definitely come to PC like all the others

almost all of the ps1 and ps2 exclusive were jap slop which were copy and pasted off each other if we're being honest, not saying that those games were bad but still.

>spend three consecutive decades complaining about how exclusives are anti-consumer and everything should also be on PC
>everything is now also on PC
>cue three consecutive decades complaining about how there's no reason to buy a console when you have a PC
You can't win.

>>732750449
Old consoles had more exclusives because they were harder to port.
New consoles are glorified PCs, so the effort and cost of porting them between each other is minimal. So you'd be foolish as a developer to limit your game to only one, you'll make more money if anyone who wants to play it can buy it for the console they own.

>>732750449
>PS5
Its been out for two years so thats 6 exclusive games per year, Triple AAA award winning titles mind you. That 3x as many games as, for example, a blockbuster film that sells out the cinemas.

Sorry(not sorry) but most people dont want or need 10 shovelware slopgames to release every week just because you dont have a job or any friends to distract you from your sad life.

>>732750571
>games cost too much to make and take too long to release
Yet the amount of games released yearly on steam has been increasing non stop

Everyone makes fun of sony for this but goddamn it's not like Xbox has got anything amazing on their end either.
Sucks to be a consolefag I guess.

>>732750553
It's crazy to put that much on the line after watching this business model bankrupt studios.
Don't get me wrong, I want big blockbuster games, but not every company needs to have one.

>>732750449
California

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>>732750449
>13 exclusives
I can't even think of 5.

Symptom of consoles dying. Not to say they'll be extinct though. Perhaps "deflating" is a better word.

there just isn't much financial risk nowadays for third parties to release game on multiple systems.
was more of risk back in the day. least risky option was to put your game on the most popular system.

>>732750770
We got 5 GTA games on the PS2, meanwhile nowadays the same GTA releases on 3 different generations

Sony decided to kill their own native Japanese video game dev industry which had extremely high game output in favor of Western game devs who take 10-15 years to make one soulless AAA game.

>>732750770
It's fucking sad I only played GTA5 and didn't even like it

>>732750449
Graphics fags won and we all lost.

>>732750762
do you have fun saying stupid things for attention?

>>732750770
>2025
Better update that to 2027

>>732750775
Well you know, the deciding factor of being a consolefag is just that the platforms are just cheaper to access anyways. Exclusives just nudged you towards buying one of the consoles over the other, not whether you were buying a console at all over a PC. Although it's funny, because somehow the actual consolefags never actually seem to think this way. Like no Jamal, whether or not a game is on PC doesn't make it a more attractive option to you, given that you were already limited to paying $200 for a used Xbox Series S anyways.

why are chuds still seething about exclusives when ps5 supposedly with no games (has a bigger library of better games than the uncslop of ps1/ps2) is the most profitable sony console in history

>>732750449
Exclusivity is a bad thing. Thank you for bringing me these wonderful news.

>>732750959
Is that supposed to be a counterargument?

>>732750726
>Old consoles had more exclusives because they were harder to port.
Bonus fun points for having to work with development kits that were terribly documented and probably terribly translated from Japanese to English. Andy Gavin has a great interview about the cursed shit they did with the PS1.

>>732750449
It's wild that PS4 was renowned for its exclusives and yet PS3 apparently had far more.
Goes to show it's more about quality than quantity I guess.

>>732750449
Market changed.

>>732751070
no anon my mockery of you is not any kind of debate, it is mockery. starting to think you aren't pretending to be retarded

>>732751070
Tons of AI slop and asset flips for free/$5 does not have anything to do with the practices of the video game industry

>>732750449
>13 exclusives
Bullshit, it's not even half of that.

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It's 19 now brother

I can guarantee if you add all the playtime you can get out of these together, it would be similar to that of the PS1's 454 exclusives

>>732751089
i don't get how wikipedia counts exclusives
they list shit like the nathan drake collection as a ps4-only game, but none of those ps2 remasters under ps3-only

>>732751089
>PS4 was renowned for its exclusives
was it? The PS has no games meme started with PS3 and didn't ever stop. The PS3 very obviously has more exclusives than the gens after, even actual good ones.

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>>732750571
No, cutting edge games take too much to make. Make a PS2 quality game and it'll be faster and cheaper than back in the day. GT7 adds like 5 cars a year because each one of them has a gorillion polygons and attention to every last fiber on the interior carpet. Downgrade to PS2 quality models and you can suddenly add 30 a month with just one guy modelling.

>>732751218
If you spent the next 3 decades playing only those games you could get more playtime than any other generation

>>732751162
>>Games take too much money and time
Ok let's use AI and generic assets to make them faster and for cheaper
>>NOOOO NOT LIKE THAT
ok fag

>>732750449
Video games as a whole got extremely expensive and time consuming compared to earlier eras. It used to be that a game might take 12-24 months to make, even for really big blockbuster titles. Square Soft developed an entire 3D engine to create Final Fantasy 7 for hardware that was essentially theoretical, AND switched to an entirely new platform after pre-production, a mere 2 years after releasing Chrono Trigger. This is an especially good comparison because Final Fantasy 7's remake is being split up into multiple parts and will likely take decades to develop. What's worse, the industry has massively consolidated. Big AAA releases are dominated by a small number of established firms, and breaking into this market is prohibitively expensive and requires a level of organizational maturity and skill that simply eludes most software development houses. A group of about 10 highly skilled people could reasonably create professional grade software or a website or similar, but they absolutely could not create a video game. The closest we have to a new AAA player is CD Projekt Red, and they themselves are nearly 20 years old at this point. So fewer firms are taking longer and longer to produce products.

>>732750826
It sounds crazy until you actually talk to a person with decision making power in one of these big companies. They're not "stupid" per say, but very few of them have any actual taste. They mostly just look at what's already been successful and try to copy that. To their credit this does work sometimes, I mean Call of Duty was once a Medal of Honor clone. They also have the historical knowledge of the average layman, which is to say next to nothing. If you talked to some Ubisoft executive about how overspending on Epics in the 1960s bankrupted several Hollywood studios you'd just get a blank stare back.

Indie games are probably taking over?

>>732751162
NTA, but they're in some sense related. Frameworks and engines like Unity mean it's gotten easier to make a bare minimum game, and that plus every platform having a shit-filled marketplace for indie games means it's gotten way easier to release and sell a game across multiple platforms. But democratization of game production means that a standout experience becomes more expensive and more complicated to make, to distinguish itself from the infinite easy slop. Of course, the cost of production has been exponential and not linear and there's a perhaps misguided emphasis on really fucking expensive graphical fidelity instead of compelling gameplay, but asset flips, indie slop and AAA budget explosions are in reaction to each other.

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>>732750449
something something jews

>>732751345
Releasing 20 AI VNs sure is making a case for how good AI is for games

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>>732751218
hell no

>>732751303
I don't think that's even entirely true, you've got indie games with PS2 graphics taking ages to come out too. like valheim for example. I think you're right for some games, but I don't think it's an accurate blanket statement

>>732750984
IN 2027 WHAT MAKES SOMEONE A CRIMINAL

>>732751424
*Fusions a magic card with a trap card to summon a normal monster*

>>732750449
On the PSX/PS2, you got a whole trilogy of games and usually 1 or 2 shitty spinoffs for the PSP or DS

>>732750449
Gamers are mostly to blame
A lot of games cant compete with successful titles. One bad game and the studio gets shutdown. Big game titles can tank and surivive.

>>732751426
Valheim was made by 5 devs, that's a rather small team. Multiply by 10 and you shorten the development time 10x too, 50 is a pretty average dev team size for PS2-era games.

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There is no reason for 99% of games to have graphics better than PS2 and the big budget 1% that go for a photorealistic look should actually LOOK photorealistic and not require overclocked 5090s and DLSS to hit 60FPS. It is possible to render photorealistic scenes today without sacrificing performance but engine devs have gotten lazy and incompetent.

>>732751218
>Remaster
>Remaster (worse than the original)
>VR sports game
>Game not yet released
>Game that won't release for another 2 years and is already crunching
>SHMUP
>Nepunia???
>Tech demo
Wow.

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Its just too lucrative to release shit on as much platforms as possible. Especially because games cost way too fucking much now

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>>732751504
>game gets a psp or ds port years later with more content than the ps2 version
>it sucks ass to play

>>732750661
Complaining about exclusives was exclusively for the poor. Also they didn't expect the industry to become so corporate so fast.

>>732750770
Game release timelines fill me with despair

>>732751610
Imagine if instead of spending $400M on Concord, Sony instead made an exclusivity deal with a couple AA studios
Like what Epic Game Store attempts to be doing, but actually done properly

>>732750449
Number one: Prior to the 2000s most games were being made by a boatload of random companies, no they're all owned by a tiny handful of conglomerates that are incentivized to be non-productive and hand their recognizable IPs to bloated mobile shovelware devs
Number two: Modding support lead to the development of most major titles up until the late 2010s, but has since been almost completely dismantled to give companies more control over their product
It's called consolidation; weaken individuals, strengthen governments and corporations. With copyright this can be done imperceptibly over time.
>>732750571
Games do not cost more to make unless they are massively mismanaged.
Tools and documentation are more freely available than ever.

>>732750449
Publishers expect their games to sell more copies than the PS5 has sold units.

>>732751858
>Games do not cost more to make
yes they do

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>>732750449
Why do consolecucks think that exclusives are a good thing?

>>732751954
Bayonetta is a good example of what should be happening with exclusives in the modern era of consoles where basically everything is a PC and there is no real reason to have exclusives

I guess all the shovelware gamedevs went to steam

>>732751954
sunk cost

>>732751921
The production costs of a game can be scaled arbitrarily.
One guy in a garage making a game with free tools can make a game, the cost of which is just whatever he values his time at.
If you hire one guy to stand outside the garage with his thumb up his ass, then you technically are spending more, but that's not really "cost to produce a game". Most modern game development spends millions on thumbs firmly lodged inside of buttholes doing nothing.

>>732751287
I'm pretty sure the shitposters took a break during the PS4 era, Persona 5 and Bloodborne alone validated buying one.
Also PS3 mostly just had no gaems on launch whereas PS5 still has no gaems years later.

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>>732751218
>Astro's Playroom
>C-Smash VRS New Dimension
>Code Violet
>Daba: Land of Water Scar
>Demetrios: The Big Cynical Adventure – Replastered
>Neptunia ReVerse
>Paper Beast Enhanced Edition
>Quantum State
>R-Type Final 3 Evolved
>The Winds Rising
I wonder how many people have played these games that, if it weren't for the Wikipedia list, no one would still be talking about them
>Astro's Playroom
>Silent Hill: The Short Message
Are they really so desperate that they think free demo games are the same as full games?
>Death Stranding 2: On the Beach
>Intergalactic: The Heretic Prophet
>Marvel's Wolverine
>Saros
You must have one brain cell if you think these games won't make it to PC

>>732750874
Its mostly because of PS VR.

>>732752186
one guy in his garage isn't developing console exclusives anon. I know you guys are looking for epic dunks but let's not completely remove the context of the subject we're discussing here

>>732751734
Nah you're just Indian who's life is worth less than an insect

>>732750449
its been over six months kojima where's the port

>>732751954
Because they add value to the thing they bought, that's basically it. That's why they hate it when their games are no longer exclusive, because they feel like it takes away from the value of their console

>>732750575
Then don't make AAAA+ games?

>>732750449
Games now take more to develop.
Back in the day, everyone that knew C published games.

>/v/ towards ps1 exclusives: exclusives are cancer!
>/v/ towards ps2 exclusives: exclusives are cancer!
>/v/ towards ps3 exclusives: exclusives are cancer!
>/v/ towards ps4 exclusives: haha no exclusives!
>/v/ towards ps5 exclusives: haha no exclusives!
Wtf happened?

>>732752168
Steam has the most shovelware, but that's more of a recent issue
The old shovelware you're thinking of are now on mobile, that's where you'll find stuff like Squid Game the videogame (10 millions downloads btw)

>>732752237
They could hire small teams to make a bunch of smaller decent games.

>>732750770
This image makes me want to kill myself. It's not just Rockstar, everything is like this now. The world ended a while ago and it's only going to get worse.

>>732752343
>Cheap consoles that were notorious for how bad they were to develop for, with the PS1 not even being a real 3D console
>Generic x86 architecture

>>732750449
Making a console exclusive isn't financially viable anymore, moreover. It was possible when a student could make an engine for the target platform in months. Sony opened the market for those artisan developers, and then betrayed them with ps3

>>732750449
1000 times more detail = 1000 times the budget, retard kun.

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>>732751218
>Astro Bot & Playroom
Gonna count that as one game chief, look pretty fun though
>Death Stranding 2
Haven't even played the first one yet but it looks good to me
>Demon's Souls
Already played the original + it's a somewhat butchered port so I'm gonna count that as half a game.
>Ghost of Youtei
Woke tranny dyke garbage unfortunately
>Intergalactic
Woke strong bald womyn shit being developed by kikeman and the last simps still working at the once good Naughty Dog
>Neptunia
a cute but sadly not my thing
>Silent Hill
also not my thing

Everything else is not even worth mentioning.
So all in all that's a whopping TWO AND A HALF games for me, wowzers.
Let me sell my desktop PC with at least a hundred games that I still want to play and buy this box o' wonders.

>>732752343
Prior to the 8th generation of consoles, most consoles had some kind of unique hardware that wasn't present on other systems. Discs for the PS1 versus the N64, arcade-accurate ports for the Dreamcast, etc. Exclusives were cancer because if you were a fan of a given developer, you'd usually have to shell out a bunch of money for niche hardware even if that hardware's USP didn't interest you. Capcom releasing a bunch of Gamecube "exclusives" for instance. They'd later port almost all of these exclusives to every system known to man, but it was still dumb. Imagine being a Resident Evil fan in the 2000s, buying a PS2 because every single RE game had been a PS1/2 exclusive, only for RE4 to be announced as a Gamecube exclusive. Seriously gay.

But then after the 7th generation, every console just became a standard PC with a custom operating system. So now we have a strange system where everything is easily ported to every other system (Because they're really all the same system wearing different hats) BUT every so often a game doesn't get ported. So it really just highlights how dumb the idea of a "game console" is in the modern era. You have restrictive hardware without even the flimsy justification of exclusive software to use it with.

>>732751954
Because it means you can get DIFFERENT games, like fucking MGS1, crafted just for one hardware, not your compromised multiplatform slop on unity\unreal. Now you don't get even proper UI for gamepad, because those fuckers add fucking cursor

>>732752690
>You have restrictive hardware without even the flimsy justification of exclusive software to use it with.
Deep down people just want optimized games and a dedicated gaming OS.
You can argue about how great the PS5 is all you want, but most Americans who bought it only did so because they want a machine that will run Madden & CoD smoothly without having to tinker with settings and key mapping.

>>732750449
>PS2
Come home, Hyperborean man.

>>732752714
least delusional consolecuck

>>732750874
L U M
U
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>>732750826
It’s really interesting. Some of the biggest studios only get 1-2 releases in a decade, so they’re only 1-2 flops from wasting an entire decade

>>732750449
Multiplatform games maximizes profits.

>>732750762
Yeah, asset flip shovelware. The kind that caused the first video game crash.

We're talking about actual/console games with quality control.

>>732752443
The world did end in 2012 the Mayans just didn't elaborate on what they meant by it.

>>732750449
>PS6: 1 Exclusive

Name the game.

>>732750449
>hmmmm we could sell games to 70 million people or we could sell games to 270 million people
really does boggle the mind

>>732750449
Consoles are dying

>>732753106
Bloodborne 2

>>732750449
diminishing returns for investments in proprietary software

>>732751218
I'm pretty sure you could add the play time of 10 PS1 JRPGS and that alone would be enough to beat these.

>>732750449
Quality over quantity

>>732752294
Normies won't buy your game if it looks like RDR1 no matter how good it is.

>>732750449
PC gaming got console-ified

>>732750770
>2025

kek

>>732750449
Exclusives are a morally bankrupt way to make money by forcing people to buy yet another console just to play something exclusive, instead of making your console impressive enough for them to buy it on its own merit alone.
The less exclusives the better.

>>732751218
you can't count games that aren't out yet

>>732753413
>zoomies will end up dying before GTA6 comes out
Grim state of affairs right here.

>>732750449
More and more people realized how anti-costumer the very concept of "exclusives" is.

>>732750775
>Sucks to be a consolefag
literally the other way around, this is happening because the consolefags invaded the PC audience and the PC market died and got replaced by consoleshit games. true PC games don't exist anymore because they all play like console games now

>>732751218
>playtime

there's more cut scenes now than ever. games used to be nothing but game play.

>>732751954
there's no reason to buy a console if it didn't have exclusives

>>732750507
Went the hell does PS have so many of those?

>>732753594
people will always buy them because they are cheap and simple subsidized plug and play video game machines.

>>732750449
PlayStation no longer has w monopoly on 3rd party software

All of them: 0 good games

>>732751347
>They're not "stupid" per say
lol

>>732750449
>porting games to other platforms is.... le bad
Yes let's give money to nintendo instead so they can keep games hostage in shitty hardware

>>732753809
>they are cheap and simple subsidized
Were.
Also, paid online quickly negate any potential savings.

PS2 is the absolute golden era of 3d gaming

>>732750449
ps7: no exlusives

>get a PS5 because I skipped every PS game
>all the new games run like shit on it and don’t even look better
It’s so baffling

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It's depressing that i know for a fact i wont be alive for (or at this point IF) another game like bully comes out. A small core school/area around it, packed with unique and fun things, instead of open world shovelware. I thought that the harry potter game would capitalize on that, but they fucked it and went open world slop.

>>732754524
Did the guys working on that multiplayer thing at least open source the code before Rockstar raped them?

>>732754524
IF they ever do something like that again you will hate it because it will be school filled with zoomers and brainrot cancerous humor, we're better without that

>>732750770
Whats crazy is, when GTA 6 comes out in 2027, it will probably be another year or two after people can play it at a decent framerate

>>732753809
>people will always buy them because they are cheap and simple subsidized plug and play video game machines.
It was nice having something that didn't require daily patching and ET needing to phone home every 24 hours otherwise your money gets revoked.

>>732754636
Add another year or two for the PCbros that didn't feel like getting cucked with the double dipping.
>Inb4 third term

>>732750740
The ps5 came out in 2020
Thats 6 years ago

>>732752659
DS2 is all but guaranteed to be on PC sooner or later, too.

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>>732750770
Wow and here I thought that dev time was going to get faster between upscaling technologies to hide dogshit optimization, unreal engine garbage streamlining, raytracing aka we're too lazy to make proper lightning ourselves and now AI to generate assets when you don't feel like taking them straight from the UE store or just stealing them from some British tranny like the Marathon devs.

>>732753698
The crowd that grew up with ps1s are divorced dads now. I'm one as well.

>>732754961
Speak for yourself Anon, I'm only divorced.

>>732752659
>tourist doesn't even know what a shmup is
videogames aren't your thing

>>732750770
So according to this the time between GTA and GTAV will be the same as the time it'll be between GTAV and GTAVI

1998 -> 2013 = 15 years
2013 -> 2027 = 15 years

>>732750449
Consoles had already become fully obsolete by the PS3 era. It just took some time for boomer studio executives to realize.

>>732754603
Nope, otherwise theyd get sued.
>>732754605
Nah, it can be made for that time period. Class of 09 was made using the trends/humor of that time and is a huge success for example. If anything people are tired of the low effort brainrot meme culture of today.

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>>732751218
Wikiheads are gonna have to remove Death Stranding 2 tomorrow when they show off the PC trailer at the Absolute State of Play

>>732751610
>Its just too lucrative to release shit on as much platforms as possible. Especially because games cost way too fucking much now
Yeah I wonder what games Sony's gonna port to Switch 2

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>>732751954
Because it leads people to create new and different games for each system they may not have done otherwise. Bayonetta 2 is a great example where it may not have received a sequel at all if Nintendo didn't finishing funding it as a Wii U exclusive or the Capcom Five (while a failure) which DID give us four games that may have never been made otherwise.

While I doubt it happens I imagine a company might've said in the past "alright, we need to make X games for Y system by Z year, make some games" and devs need to come up with games that'll work in the limitations of what they've got and that breed creativity and unique and interesting games. Half the stuff people love from Sega back then was because they wanted to make exclusives for their consoles (and arcades) so they can sell them. They made something like 40+ IP's between 1990-2000, they've made half that between 2000 and 2026

I know there's A LOT more factors involved here (e.g production costs being higher or the fact some companies just make games to sell because they're a games company regardless of exclusivity) and I do understand making games for all systems is better than *just* one, but the tl;dr (at least to me) is that exclusives = more games being made in general.

>>732751954
Companies make their own PC/store exclusives too retard, including Valve/Epic etc

sony gave up.
The no games meme wasn't based on nothing.

give me GT7 on pc your CUNTS

>>732752690
>But then after the 7th generation, every console just became a standard PC with a custom operating system. So now we have a strange system where everything is easily ported to every other system (Because they're really all the same system wearing different hats) BUT every so often a game doesn't get ported. So it really just highlights how dumb the idea of a "game console" is in the modern era. You have restrictive hardware without even the flimsy justification of exclusive software to use it with.
lmao. Windows fucking sucks piss and ass and ya'll wanna say "consoles don't make any sense" ya'll just bitter you're stuck with an OS that ruins gaming.

>>732750449
>Years complaining about console exclusives
>Finally start porting those exclusives to PC
>No games

Simple as

>>732750449
Exclusives are a bad thing.

>>732756317
>I know there's A LOT more factors involved here (e.g production costs being higher or the fact some companies just make games to sell because they're a games company regardless of exclusivity) and I do understand making games for all systems is better than *just* one, but the tl;dr (at least to me) is that exclusives = more games being made in general
PC cucks are just ignoring there's plenty of store exclusives on PC as well every single fucking time. Running a hardware business is also a billion times more expensive than running an eshop on PC. Exclusives exists because it's the best way to sell your store/platform/anything. Everyone does exclusives but only PC cucks acts like it's only weird when consoles do it

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>>732754697
>6 years
Genuinely grim

>>732751954
The world ends with you can only be in one type of console.
The moment they change a ds game to fit on pc or some other basic console is the moment they ruin it and their concept. Look no further than etrian odyssey or 999 or twewy as examples.

>>732751954
Retard. As a PC user I have no reason to buy the console if everything is on PC, these businesses aren't charities and surely they want to sell the hardware to as many people as possible.

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>>732751954
Exclusives are a mixed bag, on one hand they make your console unique and through that give your console an identity of its own. Through this identity you get a unique experience from each console and through that each era of the companies that make those consoles.

On the other hand you have the obvious restrictions, anti consumer stuff, feeling forced to buy something you don't want, community fragmentation, etc.

>>732750449
Exclusivity is anti-consumder dogshit. Anyone in favor of it works against their own self-interest to justify their idiotic purchase of a prison box.

>>732751347
Games are expensive but it's an artificial effect.
Just make games with the same scope as PS2 or even 3DS with modern tools and suddenly the expense will go down massively.
That's why indies have been so successful

I find the need for sony to port to PC interesting
Why don't PS fans buy sony's first party games?

>>732750449
Turns out it's more profitable to sell games than not sell games.

>>732758207
It's more profitable to make one game and then sell battle passes for 10 years.

>>732753358
More like (((shareholders))) will sue you if you dont make AAAA+ shit

>>732750449
They've always been about pushing the cinematic aspect of games. One of PS1's biggest claims to fame was its FMV capacity, it's literally how Nintendo lost Final Fantasy VII. As the years go on though, being at the cutting edge of cinematic gaming has gotten more and more expensive and time consuming, and Sony has refused to become more reasonable in response.

>>732751954
Everyone with more than a single brain cell want all game to be multi platform

>>732757079
>On the other hand you have the obvious restrictions, anti consumer stuff, feeling forced to buy something you don't want, community fragmentation, etc.
PC cucks are just fragile they're stuck playing shitty deadlock and fortnite all day. Meanwhile they pirate everything which just further increases companies needs to focus on consoles forever anyways

>>732759764
Legally speaking players don't even own the games they buy.
All hostility towards publishers is warranted as far as I'm concerned.

>>732751954
Because it's how they justify their purchase to themselves. They're too stupid for PC and so they need to perform mental gymnastics to rationalize it.

>>732760070
It's just economics. Now when games costs hundreds of millions or 1 billion + then you gotta focus on the people who actually buy the game at full price. That or denuvo becomes impossible to crack so pc gamers will finally be forced to buy games

>>732756847
>As a PC user I have no reason to buy the console if everything is on PC
Exactly. That's the whole problem. Exclusives are simply software being taken hostage to force you to buy redundant, underpowered, locked down hardware and you're now trapped in an ecosystem that treats you like shit because you have no freedom or control.

>>732754306
>Also, paid online quickly negate any potential savings.
Most people are too dumb to factor that into the price or consider the long term consequences. That's why it immediately caught on with consoles and they all do it now.

Caring about exclusives after the 7th gen when consoles all turned into really shitty PC's is pointless. If I had to guess, Sony stopped being extremely mentally retarded and realized PC is a thing, it only took them several fucking decades.

Americans happened. But now Japan is in charge again.

>>732760624
Sony made laptops since the 90's tho

>>732760283
It's just greed.
Games were already profitable before Bethesda realized you can sell a 3D model that took you an afternoon for 1/12 of the price of a game that costs millions to make.

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>>732761060
how innocent we were back then, laughing at the horse armor, assuming it would never take off

>>732750449
Astro Bot alone BTFOs PS4's Bloodborne.

>>732761153
MMOs ruined everything
fuck WoW

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>>732761060
Xbox died, SIE profit margin is a pathetic joke, lots of companies went bankrupt, great IPs died. So now we're stuck with live service slop and companies pushing gambling on kids

>>732750449
I know you niggers think devs have gotten lazy and yes that is partially true but games have become infinitely more complex. Compare your AVERAGE SNES game to your AVERAGE PS5 game.
>2d graphics
>chiptune
>"defeat the bad guy" storyline
>4 hours of gameplay
>$80 firm
vs
>complex 3d open worlds
>scores written by professional artists
>plot written by professional writers
>mocap
>campaign and multiplayer
>40 hours of gameplay
>$70, discounted down to $40 a year after release

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>>732761419
You're comparing the latest technology of the 90's to the latest technology of today with a mindset of only today.

>>732761419
It's just the average retard gamer entitlement thing that was being pointed out a decade ago, gamers are too stupid to make the causal link between their refusal to budge on pricing and aggressive microtransactions.

>>732761419
I want games with PS2/PS3 graphics, made by less devs, and with only 15 hours of gameplay.

>>732750449
Most phones can play 6th gen games at 120fps.

It takes 15-60 people to make a 6th gen game.(Metroid prime 35 people)

>>732752978
An interesting fact is that there was been exactly 1 mainline 3D Mario game released since the TGAs started in 2014.

>>732761419
games in the past set out to do maybe 1 thing well, modern aaa games try to do 50 things for mass appeal. it's an amalgamation of a shit ton of different genres, instead of making a stealth game like thief you give every aaa game stealth instead on top of a billion other systems.

look at ps1 games like parappa, it legitimately does 1 thing and that 1 thing is now a throwaway minigame you'll play for 10 minutes in final fantasy 7 rebirth.

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>>732761939
Major difference is that Nintendo isn't reliant on a single release. It's got a swathe of studios all doing different things.

>>732750770
Seriously more studios should make crime games again we had so many good GTA clones like Sleeping Dogs.

>>732753809
$550+tax ain't cheap

>>732750770
They coasted off GTAO sales for a decade now. Live service games are a mistake.

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>>732750826
They could've made
50 AAA games with the budget of concord
or
3-4 BG3
or 8 games like KCD2
which is insane

>>732751954
Games that are developed with one market and hardware in mind usually are more interesting instead of catering to everyone and developing them with all consoles/pc in mind. Just turning every console into a pc is boring.

>>732762446
Astro Bot cost $20 million to make. You could make 20 Astro bots for the cost of Concord.

>>732752690
We saw why Capcom did what they did when that RE 4 port came out and its complete downgraded shit.

>>732762545
50 AA*
>>732762446
And most of those games only need to sell 2-3 million copies to make profit
unlike blockbusters that require 10 million + sales to break even and remasters to actually make any money

>>732753106
Horizon of War: The Last of Us Spider Men part III

>>732750449
3rd party still make games for it
People still buy consoles, even for the $900

>>732762545
but there isn't 20 other dev teams to make those 20 astro bot

>>732762201
I miss when they used to do tiny eshop games in the 3ds era and basically ending with snipper clippers and that ufo claw game on switch.

>>732762647
Remastered ghost edition*

>>732762725
There are
enough people to make such teams
but they'd rather work on live service slop because it's a better paycheck

>>732762768
Sorry I forgot it was a remake of a remaster.

>>732750449
how many of those 13 were remakes?

>>732750770
>no games right after white males get replaced with diversity hires

>>732762823
Don’t forget remakes of remasters

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>>732762748
they still do random ass eshop games

>>732762905
Oh right I didn’t pick that one up. I would if it was on sale. They don’t do it nearly as frequent. Rusty’s Real Deal Baseball, Sakura Samurai, Dillon’s Rolling Western, and Pushmo. Now those were good bite sized games.

>>732761419
And yet, the relative simplicity of the former churned out far more consistently memorable results. You can spend 10 years making the latter but you'll have a hell of a time convincing me that the end result will be better than Megaman X.

>>732761419
>>$80 firm
Game prices were more variable back then, though it was more related to a larger cartridge size than it was a measure of game quality. You kind of see the variability in the "indie" market, but most "AAA" devs price their games all full price regardless if they should be just because they can. Then they all sell a battle pass or DLC or something, while if you paid full price for Chrono Trigger back in the day you got a full game (compare that to like FFXV where you needed to buy all kinds of DLC).

Another thing that I find interesting is how hard it must have been to develop on something like the SNES. It's not like you have a GUI IDE like an unreal 5 pajeet that just drags and drops and clicks on boxes and can compile easily from right there on your own PC. When you made a game on the SNES, you built it from the ground up. I imagine emulators for the SNES came out in the mid to late 90s in a way that came from developers wanting to do more native development, but I'm not entirely sure on that.

>>732750449
>13 exclusives
thats pathetic since its HALF A DECADE OLD and the switch 2 as 22 at only half a year of age lmao

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>>732750449
Mulitplats make more money.

>>732750449
the real issue isnt exclusives, its
>PS1 - PS2
5+ years
>ps2 - ps3
6.7 years
>ps3 - ps4
7 years
>ps4 - ps5
7 years
This massive time gap causes game stagnation in the entire industry, meanwhile other companies were putting out new cutting edge hardware every 2~3 years.

>>732764075
Tech isn't leaping the same way now, buddy.

>>732764018
for whom? since sony is well known to essentially bribe you into exclusivity, which is why people take the offer. an upfront bribe is guaranteed money, which is also why most sony 3rd party exclusives are dogshit, the devs didnt have confidence in the product and took the guaranteed bag of money.
The fact 3rd party exclusives exist at all proves this isnt true, because no one would take less money AND reach less gamers.

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>>732764132
no shit, because YOU told them you WILL pay +200% more money for only 40% more oomph, you WILL consume the corner cut slopbox regardless, you WILL accept AI upscaling instead of actual hardware improvements.
YOU did this.

>>732764132
nta but it is. on mobile. we went from tetris and snake to ps5 games on mobile in 20 years.

>>732750449
why care about exclusives? it plays a ton of games

>>732764186
>for whom?
For all but apparently 13 games. What the fuck are you even arguing here? Exclusives have gone the way of the dodo because the potential sales of selling on 4 platforms vastly outweighs publishing on one. Even stubborn oldfag Square has explicitly stated in interviews that the limited time exclusivity deal with Playstation was a mistake and they won't be doing anything like that in the future.

>>732764280
You're post just proves what I was saying, retard.

>>732764381
To be fair, Square Enix is a shadow of Squaresoft and they are entirely soulless and out of touch in general. They basically released garbage over and over and blame it on timed exclusivity. FFXV would have still sold poorly regardless of being timed Sony Exclusive because it was released unfinished, and the utter garbage that is FFVIIR would have still sold poorly on Steam if it wasn't an EGS timed exclusive. They need to make good games like how Squaresoft did before they worry about exclusivity.

>>732750449
it's a different market now

>>732756734
999 was mostly fine.

>>732750770
Don’t forget GTA Online updates, bro.

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>>732750507
But they also had those on PS1

>>732750449
How is a game forcing you to buy a specific platform if you want to play it a positive thing?

>>732750770
You can pinpoint the moment they realized how much they could milk online microtransactions!

>>732761419
It's easier than ever to make video games.

>>732750826
>but not every company needs to have one.
How do you justify that to stockholders? You're gonna say that your company is profitable enough, but they'll point towards Fortnite and Minecraft and ask why aren't any of your games that big and why they should keep investing on your company instead of something aiming for Fortnite and Minecraft popularity.

>>732752939
The least retarded argumen form /v/ cuck who didn't launch a game for more than a decade

>>732750449
If only we knew how good we had it back when the PS3 had no gaems

>>732768220
Nah, PS3 was still pretty fucking dire for about 3-4 years there. Same with PS4. Those eventually shaped up into something vaguely presentable though, whereas with PS5 we're past the 5 year threshold and still waiting.

>>732755585
The cell fucked unique hardware architecture so hard no one wants to touch it anymore, PS3 military super computers be damned.

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>>732760316
PCs at this stage have been a scheme to get people trapped into yet another debt scheme this time with video games. With consoles you have a more reliable means to play games, never having to worry about system and hardware requirements. PC now forces you to treat your method of playing games now as if it's a fucking car, now adding the need for you to care about far more maintenance than you would with a console, and now makes you at the mercy now, not just the game market, but the entire tech market as a whole to keep your rig up to spec for games as they came out, all while devs release shittier versions of games because they now have to account and accommodate of multitude of numerous differences specs as opposed to everyone being on the same page if they were just delving for specific consoles. It's to call out consoles as being inefficient and anti freedom, meanwhile you have the PC actually enslaving you into a fate far worse than being able to not mod your games.

>>732765360
that's not right.
you actually control the dad in this one.

>>732765765
That's why all game dev companies should be privately owned like Valve

I like how we went from
>WTF consoles are holding gaming back *proceeds to post simulation of waves crashing against lighthouse dynamic shadows etc.*
to
>WTF Why isn't anything optimized??? *Posts hilariously overrendered vidya webms stuttering and playing at 40 FPS*
very cool thank you guys.

>>732750770
Online gaming should be illegal.

>>732750449
Third parties realized that there's no incentive for them to release exclusives. It's in their better interest to put games on as many platforms as possible since it's just more money.

>>732751954
Because it means a game was made FOR that console. It would (in theory) run better and be best experienced on that console since it was designed specifically for that platform. One reason why everything is such unoptimized garbage is because it's being developed to run on PS5, PS4, Xbox One, Xbox Series X, Switch, Switch 2, and PC.
Now of course a lot of shit is unoptimized trash because devs are retarded, lazy, or both, but this doesn't help.
Also it begs the question what's even the point of buying this console if it doesn't have any exclusives? Why not just buy a cheap PC and incrementally upgrade over time?

>>732761419
>scores written by professional artists
>plot written by professional writers
Man, its hard to tell if people are trolling or not
>mocap
How on earth is this a good thing?

>>732750770
>Oni
>Max Payne 1/2
Whoever made this image is a gigantic fucking retard.

>>732750449
ONE GAME

Just imagine the PC game library if console games were actually exclusive

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>>732750449
WHAT ABOUT OTHER GAME

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>>732750770
>Gaming is the best its ever been!

>>732751954
I think you need to play Half-Life 2 on the switch to get the full experience

>>732750449
>Playstation is the actual "no gaems" console now
>No one here even bothers to make memes about it anymore.
Wow you faggots don't even shitpost anymore that's how bad its gotten

>>732750449
devs tricked into thinking you need 5 gorillion dollars and 10 years to make a huge game that most people are going to forget about

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>>732771967
It came and went.

>>732772438
that's 1 game too many

>>732750449
they spent 5B on two dozen live service games that all got cancelled other than helldivers and concord. well I guess concord got cancelled after release so maybe it counts as getting cancelled

they did that instead of spending money on making real games.

>>732772510
Not if you're as rich as Freddy. He can buy that which does not exist.

>>732771967
>now
It was always a Playstation meme. It started with PS3.

>>732772629
nogaems for PS3 was an exaggerated meme just for the launch titles and talladega knights coming with the console, nogaems now is much much closer to just being the truth

>>732750449
Just try attempting to bribe devs into delaying the gratification for their years of work by not releasing on Steam.
There is no reason to have exclusives in current day, you're just curbing your profits and there won't be exclusives from now, if the RAM price fixing goes on, since there won't be a reason to buy a console, since they won't be cheaper.

>>732772627
anon... you got me

>>732750449
>We used to get hundreds of mid budget experimental games. Many weren't successful but most were memeorable
>Today we get 5 generic forgetable slop games focus tested with hundreds of millions and years of development hell

>>732750449
>Wtf happen
Games aren't exclusive anymore because we have hardware parity now

Why isn't the PS5 backwards compatible all the way down to the ps1? I would have considered buying one for PS3 and PS4 games.

>>732774409
Hardware configuration. Ps5 is basically a windows machine. Ps2 had half a dozen hyper specialized processors. The games are programmed differently because they expect to be able to offload specific work to specific cores.

>>732774393
No, games have become so expensive to make that they can't afford to only sell a game on one platform. Only Nintendo can do it because they only make budget games and the drones will still buy every shit.

>>732774516
>only make budget games and the drones will still buy every shit.
Just when you think you've seen it all, a new delusional take appears.

>>732750449
it's even worse when you realize many of these 13 are also on PC

>>732753097
I unironically believe that.

>>732771967
It was a meme, now it isn't anymore. What's even the point of making fun of that, it's not funny just like Xbox actually dying isn't funny either.

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>>732776251
It's VR titles, Astrobot and Demon Souls. Anything else is time limited and could well have their PC release dates shared in a few hours.

>>732750449
The type of games that are system seller exclusives just come out a lot slower, and now Sony's been slowly porting their newer games to PC, so exclusives outside Nintendo are dead.

>>732776502
Only thing I'd like to play from that list is GT7, but that on it's own is not worth buying the console.

>>732765765
>How do you justify that to stockholders? You're gonna say that your company is profitable enough, but they'll point towards Fortnite and Minecraft and ask why aren't any of your games that big
You justify it by explaining to them at the next earnings call or board meeting that both Fortnite and Minecraft did not begin as high budget blockbusters, and that allocating capitol to twenty potential Fortnites or Minecrafts, instead of one Grand Theft Auto, would have a better chance at delivering returns.

>>732774516
Nintendo curates their ecosystem a lot more heavily because they own IPs with actual value. Every time Sony and MS try to cook something up, they fuck it up because they outsource the creative process and then shutter shit when something doesn't sell gangbusters. You'd need a 40 year investment in trying to get some IPs in the public zeitgeist to even think of competing, and no modern exec is working on that time frame. If anything every time a new guy comes in he has to slash and burn the last guy's shit to assert dominance. Only way around that is weaponized Jap autism, and good fucking luck with that.

>>732750449
Their player base is full of westoids who
Are racist against Asians
Hate Asian culture
Hate things that are beautiful and attractive
Don't really play video game
Only interested in multiplayer live service games
Only interested in """AAA""" trash
Only want to ride the bandwagon of whatever is FOTM
Problem is that when you have a player see like that, your growth is VERY limited. Basically reliant on third party developers. This point is made even worse when the associated games cost hundreds of millions of dollars and five years plus to finish. This also makes things even more worse when you consider trends and that if five years pass, the trend is already dead and the game won't sell.
They also have NO IP still. PlayStation is fucking 31 years old and it has NO IP to show for it. They have NOTHING to fall back on that has significant attach rate.
AAA is a true bubble.
It's not just Sony having that problem, Nintendo has that problem too but in a different way. They basically won the console war by doing what they do best by creating a 40 year old brand that is cemented in human culture. but it has the trade off of creating a fanbase that is extremely picky. If what games put out isn't with a popular and successful series then they're having a terrible time. The funny thing is watching retards who shill unpopular Nintendo series cry when no one wants to play their unpopular series.

>>732750449
No exclusives (aka also on PC) wouldn't even be a problem if they were still releasing games. Games just don't come out anymore. Nintendo releases a bunch of games of varying budgets all the fucking time, but looks like Sony can only make these sloppy generic movie wannabe AAAAs that take a decade each to be developed.

>>732776619
That's all well and good, but I've got a LOT of money and a very particular risk profile I'm looking for, so just roll the dice on the fucking blockbuster already.

>>732750449
Rising costs during the PS3/HD era completely broke Japanese developers to the point where they needed to either put their games on handhelds, Nintendo devices or make them multiplat. Even some western devs like Ubisoft and Rockstar could no longer justify making exclusives or timed exclusives for Playstation anymore

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>>732776948
I don't understand how anyone could look forward to anything from a company with this mentality.

>>732777143
Y-yes sir! Concord 2 coming right up!
That will be 200 million dollars.

>more and more games are now multiplatform
>games are becoming worse and worse

protip, the two are linked

>>732765360
>has gameplay
totally different deal

>>732750449
Exclusives always have been, are, and always will be cringe.

>>732750449
Isnt PS5 the most profitable console ever?
That just shows esclusives suck for profit,live service games and constant micro payments are infinetely better.

I say this as someone who literally doesnt play online games or even multiplayer local games.
But facts are facts.

>>732778046
The revenue is inarguably the highest, but the profit margin is hilariously tiny because SIE keeps funnelling all the gun and ball GAAS cash into vanity projects nobody wants.

>>732762725
We have never had more qualified programmers and artists than today.
If you want people then you can get them.
Good directors are rare, though.

>>732750661
Exclusives are bad, but they're also a sign of a healthy console ecosystem where games are being made and sold in large numbers by many devs who are working with Sony to get their games out.
Lacking exclusives doesn't mean the market is better, it means there are less enthusiastic developers making games for your console because they believe they can make money from it.

>>732754636
RDR2 is one of the most well optimized games out there.

>>732750770
Now show me the Zelda release timeline

>>732750449
they fucked up real bad

they funded the development of dozens of games, they just all got canceled instead of releasing

games very rarely make it to the finish line these days. something weird is happening in gamedev

>>732750449
Reasons for making exclusives:

>Unique hardware
Used to be that this console did better 2D graphics, that other one did better 3D graphics, this one had this sound chip... nowadays everything is standard PC parts and we're at the limits of hardware specs innovation. At most you can have novel form factors like the steamdeck and switch

>First party IP
What motivates Nintendo to keep exclusives. Not worth it for Sony and Microsoft since they get more money from bringing you into their ecosystem than they would from locking you into a specific hardware

>Bribery
Like when Sony paid Capcom to make SF5 a playstation exclusive, forcing fighting game tournaments to change from xboxes and securing the fighting game fanbase. But Sony already won outside of Nintendo's niche, there's no market to be gained from such stunts anymore on their side and Microsoft is doing something different. We do get something similar with Epic store exclusives though

>Ease of development
Everything is running on unreal engine, no longer we have devs complaining that the sega saturn or ps3 are too hard to develop for. We did have devs complaining about taking too long to get switch 2 devkits though, which explains fewer games going to that system

>Publishing deals
Even outside of CDs, devs wanted out of Nintendo's dominance after the SNES era because apparently their business practices sucked, while Sony was more friendly to devs and publishers. Nowadays this is no longer an issue for the most part

>>732753336
Old JRPGS made by anyone other than Square had fake playtimes because they were full of bloat.

>>732779623
The history of the game industry is people not wanting to play by the rules and repeating the mistakes they led to the industry crash

statistics revealed console niggers are the poorest of customers so they stopped catering to them

They can afford a $800 console but can't afford a $450 one

>>732779540
>something weird
Dev costs and timelines have always crept up with technology but starting with the end of the 7th gen, you could really see cracks forming in the method. I think of Resident Evil 6 and Dead Space 3 as very early examples of what we see in the current day, not that either were mega flops but one did boast a 600+ dev team to mixed effect and the other did get their dev shitcanned despite selling over 5 million copies. Instead of reading the warning signs, AAA development has gone full speed ahead in the 15-ish years since. Now you have shit like Concord making Dead Space 3's "failure" looking like a fucking joke. It's unsustainable, and it's only going to get worse.

>>732770268
>PCs at this stage have been a scheme to get people trapped into yet another debt scheme this time with video games. With consoles you have a more reliable means to play games
KEK
I bought Mario Wonder 2 years ago and I'm not even allowed to play the new DLC unless I upgrade to the fucking switch 2. It doesn't get worse than that you fucking nigger. Literally selling you incomplete games and forcing you to buy entirely new hardware just to play the rest of it
On PC you reduce your graphics settings: THAT'S IT

>>732750449
Inflated list, most of those are playable on wii or switch or pc now. Thanks for beta testing, snoys

>>732780005
it seems dumb, I have to say. the diminishing returns are embarrassingly large

>>732780178
Have you tried not being poor and not playing shit 2d Mario games?

>>732780178
why would anyone play dlc? i only play new games

>>732750449
Mostly due to devs concentrating on only 1 or 2 huge AAA games that takes far too much time and money to produce. Smaller games are now only being mostly made by indie devs, and those usually aren't exclusives. This is also part of the reason why the industry is struggling, as AAA devs now rely on fewer games to do very well.

>>732780443
fewer ganmes, and much shittier games too. I can't even remember the last AAA game that wasn't lowest common denominator slop

>>732780282
>Have you tried not being poor
Yes, I've already built my PC last year.

>and not playing shit 2d Mario games?
>>732780380
Alright, but my argument still stands. Consoles ARE a scam.

>>732770268
pcs are just good so demand is high

>>732750449
Turns out limiting a product to a single device is bad for profits

>>732750449
FUN FACT: Sony paid of japanese devs not to release shit on xbox during gen 6. Most of those games would be multiplatform if sony wasnt a cunt

>>732780650
why can't they do that for this gen? just make them not release on the switch 2

>>732750770
People talk about an incoming video games crash but to me it already happened. Every franchise might as well be dead since it takes decades for a new game to come out when it used to be considered a revival of a dead IP when we had 5 or 6 years in between games of the same IP. Some companies like Square try to trick you into thinking everything is fine by constantly releasing low effort remakes and re-releases of their greatest hits. Others like Rockstar survive by supporting the same forever game. Players are all concentrated into a few games with a bazillion players while everything else multiplayerwise dies or becomes niche. If it wasn't for indies and AA games coming out constantly we would be fucked.

Reminder: the faggots dooming about nu consoles to try to psyop you into going pc by bragging about the library on pc, neglect to tell you 90 percent of it is ancient, porn, rts slop, or esports slop

And nigga to the rest of us non pc cucks, we already played all the classics because instead of gooning at our computer desk we fucking play our games so when were done yes we by the new console and dont worry about a backlog. Now that your done reading go buy more games we already played on consoles 20 years ago, that youll let rot in your backlog for another 10.

>>732780803
if you had a pc you'd know how good the library was. it's very impressive. consoles have basically nothing in comparison

>>732762201
Why the hell is this infographic in Chinese?

uh oh, trailer trash browncuck is having a melty

>>732780959
chinese people want infographics to look at too

>>732780803
I kinda doubt those 13 exclusives are that great.

>>732780959
It's a breakdown from Nintendo of their various studios. It's in Japanese because they are a Japanese company.

>>732781392
me too. i bought it and didn't like astro bot or the remake of demons souls, even though I like most 3D mario platformers and really liked dark souls

ps5 really doesn't have anything to hang its hat on, it's quite sad

>>732780803
>90 percent of it is ancient
The great redpill on PC is that any old toaster these days can play enough 20th/early 21st century greats to tell the rest to fuck off. Not like many better games are actually coming out.

>>732750449
kek PONYs still eating them carrots. Playstation is dead and is now the new XBOX

>>732780796
You know the crash happened when the biggest players like Activision, EA, Ubisoft, etc were just sold

>>732780803
>have access to pretty much all games in history through stores or emulation
>this is somehow a bad thing because those games aren't over shoulder third person walking sims
Consoletards are funny

>>732782085
No one cares about old games PC cucks, they want the new hot games, and they're all on consoles. Meming that every game on the PS5 as a walking sim is pure cope faggot

>>732750449
What happen!!
Somebody set us up the bomb!

>>732770406
Isn't Sheryl adopted?

>>732783203
>No one cares about old games
People who like good video games do.

The same that happened pretty much everywhere
I mean look at the switch 2, do you see a lot of exclusives there? It's just 5 nintendo games and ports. There is no such thing as exclusive when we talk about Microsoft. I don't know why this is supposed to be a good thing. "Please lock down your software so I have to buy your hardware". How much of a consumerist fuck do you have to be to justify buying hardware because a fucking game that could be elsewhere without issues isn't being released elsewhere? To LOVE the very concept of exclusivity? How about buy hardware because it's better hardware, more adequate hardware?

>>732783203
>they're all on consoles
They're all also on pc.

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>>732752978
One of the only 'bigger' companies I know that is refusing to do this is Remedy who's model is smaller games, multiple games at once. They had a major flop with their last game but already reported being back to business as usual because it wasn't that large of a budget. Of course, their new CEO is a former EA exec so we'll see how that goes.

>>732750449
>>732750553
And Sony decided to spend all that on GAAS that were so horrible they all had to be canceled.
Now their every single player studio is 5 years away from releasing a game

>>732783203
Almost every game is multiplatform these days

>>732751954
why else would you buy an overpriced game box with overpriced peripherals and overpriced online service when most normal people have a computer in their house, other than being brown and thinking that spending money is a social flex

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>>732783903
>>732784227
>only on PS5

>>732784421
that game isn't even out yet

>>732750449
The industry killed itself chasing realism and cinematics/storytelling. Because that drove budgets through the roof. The higher the budgets, the less exclusives you get because publishers can't risk putting a game out on just one system coz they cost so much to make, they have to put them out on multiplatform to try and regain their investment.

>>732750449
Gamers don't want to buy games with ps2 graphics so every game now cost a billion bucks and 10yrs of dev time

>>732752294
People seriously don't buy low budget games from aaa studio these days

>>732750507
> sad-dad game #26
I am so fucking sick of these retarded ass games. We wait a decade to get shittier sequels with shittier writing and even shittier gameplay. Thanks Don Mattrick and Phil Spencer for completely cucking out on exclusives, now this dadsim garbage goes unchallenged because of you.

>>732750449
>Quantity vs quality
>Less is more

>>732785405
what quality bro

>>732783759
The industry was cooler when every major competitor had their own identity and focus, with their exclusive games reflecting that. Hardware devs also obviously have something to gain by locking their own software to their hardware - it incentivizes sales of their own product. So no, it doesn't make a lot of sense from a consumer standpoint but it's self-serving to the point of being obvious for a company like Nintendo to do it.

>>732750449
>here comes 300 retard snoys trying to explain how getting less games is a good thing

Imagine how bad the PC game library would be if console games were exclusive

>>732785405
Sony had both with PS1/2 and steadily abandoned both afterwards.

>>732785904
It would still have Fortnite, Minecraft and Roblox which is all most people care about. Now imagine if those were PC exclusives.

>>732785631
And those competitors ruined it all.
Sony shat on their japanese studios real hard.
Nintendo pretty much reduced the number of IPs they're willing to put any effort on to about maybe 3. Hell gamefreak just doesn't fucking care anymore. Sega went full retard -before- the Dreamcast. Microsoft only introduced garbage like Gears of War, Fable and Halo, they were doomed from the fucking start.

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>>732750770
I liked vice city stories and liberty city stories, using the same map and assets should be alright if youre making a spin off between main entries.
At again jewstar would rather make everything GTA Online to milk retarded children and niggers

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>>732751218
>I can guarantee if you add all the playtime you can get out of these together, it would be similar to that of the PS1's 454 exclusives
what kind of cope is this?

>>732750449
buy a PS1 then

>>732754084
This is the correct answer.

>>732786023
>Now imagine if those were PC exclusives.
I have never played those games. What do you think would happen if they were PC exclusive?

This wouldn't have happened if nintendo stopped being stubborn and ported their games to playstation instead of being anti consumer with their exclusives.

>>732786683
I haven't either. But they're some of the most popular games ever. I imagine more people would be on PC