>In the intricate world of video game development, where innovation is key and market trends shift rapidly, even the most experienced companies can fall prey to missteps driven by speculation and corporate paranoia. Such is the curious case of Riot Games, a subsidiary of Chinese tech giant Tencent, and their venture into the realm of fighting games—a journey fueled not by a strategic vision, but by a misunderstanding of Valve's internal developments.>Determined not to be outdone, Riot accelerated their efforts on Project L. Resources were allocated, development timelines were tightened, and the game quickly became a priority. The goal was clear: to ensure Riot had a competitive fighting game ready to counter Valve's supposed entry into the market.>However, the twist in this tale is almost farcical. What Riot perceived as a strategic move by Valve was, in reality, a small internal project. The supposed "fighting game" from Valve was nothing more than a developer's pet project, a game mode experiment within the expansive ecosystem of Dota 2. Far from being a standalone, genre-defining release, it was a modest endeavor with no intention of challenging the heavyweights of the fighting game scene.>This revelation, when it eventually surfaced, must have been a bitter pill for Riot to swallow. The realization that they had been baited into accelerating development and diverting resources based on a misinterpretation highlights a critical vulnerability in corporate strategy: the danger of reacting to unverified information. Riot Games, a company with a proven track record and immense creative talent, was driven by a reactive strategy rooted in fear rather than innovation.
I'm more impressed by how much money was dumped into a game that came out looking so ugly while a fraction of that budget gets spent on [insert ArkSys game here]
>>732757425If 2xko is what they have to show for 10 years of development, their MMO is doomed
>>732757425The cannon bros literally conned riot out of 10 years' salaries lol>we're going to make a casual fighting game!>release an ultrasweaty hardcore game insteadAbsolute winners
>>732757425>baited into making a fighting game>a genre that does not make money without shady backing>duped by ideas guys who played marvel a few times>forces out an unbalanced piece of shit after 10 years with about as many characterslollmao
Modern Riot couldn't do it, but if I had a genie I'd wish for "Early 2010's Riot to make a Warcraft 3-style game.">Warcraft 3-style RTS game with campaign made in LoL's engine using LoL characters and assets>Hero units play like LoL Champions>LoL's early design philosophies carried overMy god, it would be beautiful.
>>732757425Riot doesn't think about dotard at all.
Common riot LThey got baited by the superior western game devs and lost thinking they were going by The Art of Wars playbook but really are just constantly reading Shart of Whore
>>732757425they should have just made that fucking smash bros. clone, stupid niggers
And the FGC will use every excuse they can on why it's failing except for the the fact that fighting games outside of tekken and Street fighter don't draw dimes. It's the most delusional group of gamers I know
>>732757425watch these dumb idiots have a game like deadlock already in development
>>732757928I was about to say, isn't that just their other shooter, but I guess that's more overwatch coded than anything else.god it'd be so funny if they tried to ape deadlock of all things
>>732757928Deadlock got reavealed year ago. It means LoL deadlock will be done in…2035
>>732757425If it was a platform fighter with a great single player mode then it may have had a chance but a traditional fighter for leagues extremely casual playerbase was never gonna take off.
>>732757928THere were "rumors" of riot doing a deadlock clone but who knows if those were just grifters making up shit for clicks
Someday, someone is going to make a new "simple fighting game", a brand new Street Fighter 2 where special attacks and Heavy Punch/Kicks are the big damage dealers. There aren't stupidly drawn out combos, no retarded mechanics, and no supers, and it'll be the fighting game reconnaissance that everybody always wanted. It'll be accessible for everybody because you won't have to spend a hundred hours in training mode; you just need to learn your character's 2-3 special attacks (like Hadoken, Shoryuken, Tatsumaki) and you're good to go.
>>732758189Sounds boring
Should've went with RPG
>>732758189bro they already made thathttps://store.steampowered.com/app/1344740/FOOTSIES_Rollback_Edition/
>>732758189As long as motion inputs is still there I'll take it.
>>732758261Footsies is lame. The game still has to be cool.
>>732758257https://store.steampowered.com/app/1276790/Ruined_King_A_League_of_Legends_Story/
>>732758169Riot had a platform fighter but cancelled it after MVS flopped. If they stuck with it and copied Combo Devils' roguelite side mode, they'd have a money maker for sure.>>732758189>>732758338Divekick
The crazy thing to me is the game is so much more complicated than Rising Thunder. Why fucking kill Rising Thunder for this shit
>>732758439Ahh yes, Ruined twink shit that nobody wanted. Who would have thought that a bad premise could ruin a game.
>baitedI think it pretty apparent for a long time that Riot wants a total control over esports as a whole hence why they have CS clone, the only genres left to cover are fightans (2xko), racing games and rts.
>>732757425Sooo can someone explain the new age autism of horrid name choices?Surely hundreds of people could have come up with a title thats more coherent with the product
>>732757763LMAO, you wish.Lol changed the entire game art style after Dota2 was announced, from cartoonist to something more mature, and added the chat well few weeks after Valve made it in Dota2.>>732758189Mortal Kombat I and II. You can emulate them any time or play the collection edition in new platforms.
>>732757695you misspelled saudi anon
>>732757425>Riot Games, a company with a proven track record and immense creative talent>immense creative talentKEKAROOOOOO
>>732757425Pretty sure this is fake.
>>732758189Virtua Fighter 6 is in development, you retard
>>732759030Virtua Fighter is as bad as Tekken, every character has like 50 moves
>>732759087just say 3 buttons is too much for you, it's ok.maybe smash or even a fisher price toy is more your speed
>>732758926its crazy how much better old league is
>>732758189Samurai Showdown already had a new entry, anon. It didn't sell any more than usual.
>2XKO was made by former Capcom devs>flops>Legends of Runeterra was made by former Wizards of the Coast employees>flopsCan anyone name a SINGLE game made by former devs of a competitor in the genre that actually succeeded? I feel like most games use shit like "we used to work for Blizzard" as a badge of honor but it feels like the biggest red flag that the game is going to flop hard.
>>732757841Fucking this. Normies won't spend hours in practice mode like the fighting autists.
>>732759237First two Torchlight games were good.
>>732758993Bruh these niggas actually sucked their own dicks and thought they was getting a blowjob hahahahaRemember Supervive? it was made by riot AND blizzard devs
>>732757425Riot was still riding the high from nabbing auto chess from under Valves feet when TFT beat out Underlords.
>>732759237>Legends of Runeterra was made by former Wizards of the Coast employeesand Artifact was made by THE creator of MTG. Turns out Magic is only a big card game because it's been around so long. You can't use these outdated mana mechanics in modern day and expect it to work.
I still dont understand why the fuck they named it 2XKO instead of something like League of Fighters or League of Legends Versus, you know, anything that lets people know its related to their massively popular IP
>>732759456I'm personally pissed that every single Western TCG apes Magic. I'm so fucking tired of mana.I wish a single fucking developer would copy Yugioh.
>>732758926is this "old" league mod still around? id give that a shot again
>>732758189>keep saying making it simple works>every fighter gets simplified >only games gets a boosts is arcsys games cause >anime>Fighters not named tekken or SF dies in one month
>>732757425lol. Both riot and valve sucks ass
riot bought out cannon bros shortly after SFV came out in early 2016, valve had no plans for their budget meme project back then
>>732757763Riot literaly forced a journalist to change an article shitting on dota's compendium because they thought it was an excellent idea.
>>732759463some slick marketer wanted something Searchable and Short and Trendy and Hip
>>732759179have you seen how many mechanics samsho has ? >>732759030it also has drive parry and some weird limb system. not to mention how much they fucked REVO over i would not be surprised if they cancelled it and kept the saudi money. >>732758189there is no point because if anyone wants good old fashion classic street fighter.... they already have that. there is no reason not to be playing super turbo right now outside of not wanting that kind of game. COTW shills are constantly saying "brooo our game is old head just like 3rd strike !!! (lmao at the idea of 3s being a classic game)" but you know what they can play instead of a game LIKE 3rd strike... 3rd strike. for free an with more players.
Fighting games are boring as fuck to play and I wish fighting game fags stop insisting they actually play these gamesIt s barely a game and more just a math autism genreThe cool flashy combo part people like? That's just the reward, the actual game is walking back and forth poking trying to get a slight number advantage on frame data
>>732759456>>732759237They forgot that innovating is harder than creating something new, when you create a new genre it become the foundation so success is easier but building on top of it becomes harder and harder as time goes on.Thats why now they think they can just mix genres and call it a day{highgaurd}
>fighting game>westernpick onegood riddance btw
It would have been massively popular if they made it a platform fighter.
>>732759516Not right now. There was briefly a private server called Chronoshift that ran an old version of league but it was swiftly shut down. There is a bunch of videos covering it's short life and what modern players learned about league after visiting an old version.
A fighter with 0 sex appeal? hahahahaha typical faggot riot
>>732758189What you described just sounds like the first 2 MK games released in the 90s
>>732759780They where working on a separate platform fighter that got cancelled.
>>732757928They're probably studying the game intensely atm.
Fighting games at the arcade is something I consistently lose at to my gf and she can't even finish a Mario game because they are too hard.That's how effective spamming every button and attack is unless you're in the top 10% that actually hard learn frame data and hitboxesEven Mario party mini games on average requires more skill for majority of players
>>732759456dual masters makes it work, but WotC killed it everyone outside of japan where it's still going strong
>>732757928what would a Riot Deadlock clone be like?The same but with less movement and a stricter meta? no denies so more gun variety?
>>732757763>Riot doesn't thinkTrue
>>732760032Wizards STILL has partial ownership of DM which is why it's still stuck in Japan despite it's proven success.
>>732758189I don't see why you can't play any fighting game like that. You don't need to know a 100 hit combo or whatever to have fun in any game. The things you need to have casual fun with a fighting game is to play with people around your own level and to play with people you know and can talk to and mess around with while playing, preferably IRL. Those two things can be difficult to pull off but they're not really related to the design of the game itself.
>>732760108Prob just less vertical gameplay, faster time to kill, faster respawns, slower movement, no active itemsSo it would be extremely popular
>>732757841Multiversus was such an embarrassing flop that it deterred Riot from pursuing their Smash clone
>>732760108Yes Riot is obsessed with controlling their own meta. Their version of Deadlocke would end up playing more like Overwatch.
>>732760174Same reason they gave up on Runeterra after seeing Artifact shit itself. Except Runeterra was awkwardly 90% complete so they actually ended up releasing it instead of an outright cancel.
These netflix bot farm shows getting these companies in trouble, arcane has ruined what made LoL fun, everything is about lesbians now with dark undertones.So instead of adding LoL staples like Veigar, Zed and Sona you get the lesbo trio no one likes hahahaha
>>732760174I don't understand why they shut it down and why people consider it a flopI loved the fucked out of Multiversus and had ton of good moments playing itOf course I still own it so I can play it offline with friends or family, but it's a shame they shut down the servers
>>732760453>I don't understand why they shut it down and why people consider it a flopBecause the playerbase fucking died? TWICE.
>>732760434many a gallon spilled
>>732760481Are games supposed to grow exponentially to infinity?Even with just a couple of hundred players, it would've been completely finethere are decade old games with smaller communities that are still very much activeYou don't need thousands of people when you're only ever going to interface with one or few people at a timeAre you one of those people that plays a multiplayer game solo, but cries when the player count is not 500k concurrent?
>>732760787>Are games supposed to grow exponentially to infinity?for publishers yes>Even with just a couple of hundred players, it would've been completely finenot for a live service game
>>732760294>they gave up on Runeterra after seeing Artifact shit itselfNow your delusions are just getting pathetic.
>>732760787Warner Bros didn't wanna pay for the servers to keep a game up hardly anyone was interested in. It's that simple.
>>732760787From a sales perspective, there's value to shutting a game down as opposed to letting it drag along with <1k players.
>2XKOWhat a dumpster fire. First of all you have only 3 characters to start with. Second of all, it's filled with complicated and very technical options but at the same time, during a combo, if you manage to error-push a button an extra time it will unleash an autocombo that end with a super attack wasting your resources.
>>732760935>shadow drops Runeterra a year after Artifacts flop with hardly any advertisement or stream shillingArtifact absolutely played a role in the neglect Riot had for Runeterra. Hearthstone clones in general also stopped popping up everywhere after seeing Valve fail.
>>732760787Those decade old games costs a fraction of new games retard
>>732761024>Hearthstone clones in general also stopped popping up everywhere after seeing Valve fail.It's more that TCGs are awkward to develop.Indie devs can't afford to drop $100~$500 on art commissions for each card in a game with 1k+ cardsMeanwhile AAA devs can't justify pooling AAA resources into a card game of all thingsThere's a reason why every new TCG from the past decade has either been from a legacy TCG developer (Bandai, FFG, etc), a side project from an open-plan AAA dev (Hearthstone, Runeterra, etc), or a mobile game.
>>732761203>Indie devs can't afford to drop $100~$500 on art commissions for each card in a game with 1k+ cardsYugioh has proven you can get away with a static image of a monster + a generic background. The artwork is not the reason digital card games slowed down.
>>732761203>Indie devs can't afford to drop $100~$500 on art commissions for each card in a game with 1k+ cardsHexInfinity Wars
>>732757528Californian developers.
>>732761356Yugioh and Pokemon specifically get a free pass because a majority of their early art was done for free by in-house artists. A majority of Pokemon's early art was just Sugimori's promo art used in every other media, for example.When Konami, Pokemon, and Wizards commission artists, the artists get paid well. Drawing a Magic card gets you $1k minimum, for example.
>>732761024Utterly delusional. You're trying so hard to fanboy for valve that you're even trying to convince yourself that their most spectacular failure was somehow a win to cope.
>>732760108>>732760164wouldn't it just be a different mode for valorant then
>>732761537>fanboying for valve>by bringing up their biggest flophuh?
>>732757928Riot is so incompetent I wouldn't be suprised if instead of making their own Deadlock clone they just force Valorant to be one chasing the new audience while everyone complains that it's no longer shittier CS GO
>>732757425Maybe they should do something new instead of sitting on their ass waiting for Valve leaks to copy?There's some mountain of humor in that I'm completely sure Riot would copy Deadlock if they weren't incompetent compared to any conventional AAA developer.
>>732762158>Maybe they should do something new instead of sitting on their ass waiting for Valve leaks to copy?Their only successful games after League, Valorant and TFT, where both from copying Valve. It's the only thing they know how to do.
>>732759504Yugioh is a miserable game to play
>>732759237>Can anyone name a SINGLE game made by former devs of a competitor in the genre that actually succeeded?
If Riot wanted a simple fighter why did they make it a fucking tag fighter then?
>>732757425>10+ years of salarysure, being fired sucks but I don't know why that dev was crying on bluesky, he got a decade of paid experience
>>732761860You're trying to spin artifacts failure as proof of how great valve is by claiming every other company abandoned their current or in-development card games just because they saw valve fail, as if the entire video game industry just worships and copies valve at every point.
>>732760294are there even any good card games nowadays? They used to be everywhere
>>732759504yugioh has been unfun slop for probably half its total lifespan now thanks to quite literally every single deck being 1-2-turn chain reaction instawin combos rather than being a card game with any kind of legitimate flow
If they had made it with nice command inputs I'd play it but they made liek smash bros
>>732759382But it was Epic Games who bought Auto Chess
>>732759456Richard Garfield made like 20 different games and only 3 of them were successful.Having him on board didn't really mean much and Valve completely missed that WotC already had a captive audience when they released MGTO.
>>732760108>slow scripted movements, no physics, no air or ground steering during slides, double jump or dash are character specific etc>no items instead characters use levels and XP tier unlocks like overwatch>no currency or macro because it introduces abstract skill expression that they oppose>dedicated jungler but there are only 2 lanes so any fight creates a 5v5 all throughout the game>map is half the size and playercount 5v5 or less both teams can select the same characters>characters with 1 viable upgrade path and they still have seasonal balance roulette (as a feature)
>>732758884it was a shitpost that never left the inside of the company
All they had to do was take the existing Rising Thunder framework and slap a league skin over it. It could have done 7 years ago and had more widespread appeal. It's what everyone was expecting them to do. But instead they spent 10 years on something with no audience. An entire era of fighting game hype came and went in the time it took them to make this.
>>732759237Meanwhile Hearthstone was made by a bunch of nobodies and it's still running
>>732757425all they had to do is copy mortal kombat instead of the usual weeb shit
>>732759456The 3 lanes thing makes it feel immediately boring and I'm shocked nobody noticed that
They just cant help themselves but copy every single valve game this company can't be real
>>732759886It's like they want an audience in a genre that already has a very small audience, but removing one of the appeals, they just had to look at MK1, you can only make woke shit on genres that are already popular
>>732758926>there's no way they independently decided to upgrade their games graphics to stop looking like an indie game designed in 2007 (which you know, it was) they just copied valve! Valve invented graphics any company that makes a game with graphics is copying valve nobody has ever done such a thing before valve!
>>732758189it's honestly incredible the lengths poseurs will go to for no apparent reasonwhy is there this delusional assumption that some minor tweak to the fighting formula will bring in all the low powerlevel players and keep them for a longass timeit's no secret that the most popular and profitable fighting games MK and smash bank entirely on name recognition and are quickly dropped, same as any arcsys fighter reallyguess some people really just can't grasp that playing with your friends of similar skill level, whether total shitter or sweatlord, is the only thing that will keep the game fun
>>732758189Everytime a fighting game dev releases a simplified version of their game no one plays it or everyone hates it. There is an argument for most games having retarded mechanics or drawn out combos but actively removing stuff from a game never works out. Simpler games have come out and some have stuck, like granblue, but even GGST is more complicated than a simple game and that game is dogged on. I also wanted to mention that I laughed when I realized your post said reconnaissance and not renaissance.
>it took over 170 people 10 years to make a tag fighter with 12 characters that nobody asked forcompetency crisis
>>732757841he said fighting game
>riot fighter is tagshit with piss easy baby inputs and a horrendously boring and small rosterslam dunk on making the worst fighting game in existence, how the hell does this happen?
they shouldnt have gone all out with a new big AA project for the fighting gameshould have started humbly with a small fighting minigame that plays and runs well and see how it goes
>>732764013just because the dev size was 170 around launch does not mean it was that big for the whole 10 years.
>>732758189Fighting games are the real boomer genre where everyone constantly thinks they want to play them but they really don't.And they can't simply accept that they don't have the time and energy to practice anymore but for some reason they keep getting excited about new fighting games that all die in short order
>>732764393the fact they even hired 170 people for a fucking fighting game is fucking insane
>>732758189nigga go play samurai shodown, or fighters destiny, or divekick, or koihime enbu, or the older KOF games, or SF2, or fantasy strike, or footsies, or literally any 3D anime fighter PLAY LITERALLY ANYTHING INSTEAD OF DOING THIS GAY ASS LARP YOU FAGGOTS DO EVERY THREAD.you retards keep pulling out every excuse in the book to not play fighting games instead of just saying you dont like them and moving on.>i want a game that plays like x with y with no gimmicks, my neuch is KILLER>heres that exact game>errrr uhhhh it didnt sell well and doesnt have many players so im not going to play itTIRED OF YOU FAKE ASS BITCHES. you just want to play a game devoid of anything that requires effort so you can have free wins. you'll play your barebones fighter, then complain about some basic ass mechanic like shimmies
>>732757747>>LoL's early design philosophies carried overI stopped playing league in like 2010 or at the absolute latest 2011 because it was clear that riot was a bunch of massive fucking fags and league of legends was destined to remain shit forever. and lo and behold, I'm still right
>>732759504Sorry mate, it's just the superior system for the purposes of not designing yourself into a corner. You can get your sacrifices with a self-contained little set of cards like in Inscryption, but anything that hopes to survive for a while will ape mana to a lesser or greater degree.
>>732759516yeah, check /vm/
>>732763686Boring? More like needlessly stressful because you now have spread your resources across 3 boards and you get punished for committing too little or too much.The fact that a single game could drag on to the 1 hour mark is what really killed it for me personally
>>732759705>it's a name starting with a digit so it will come up early during an alphabetical sortisn't it incredibly sad that this sounds so plausible?
>>732764497i cant shimmy :(
please someone post the pic of Gabe with the diamond teeth grills, but in a good big resolution
>>732764595>The fact that a single game could drag on to the 1 hour mark is what really killed it for me personallyhow many times is valve gonna do this shit?dota2 drags on forever, deadlock drags on foreverwho the fuck keeps approving this shit
>>732760108It would just be Smite
>>732764681to be fair this was when neither knew what the fuck they were doing and taking way too long to play every single move, but the game pretty much died before a significant amount of players could git gut
>>732764681Dota 2 has turbo mode for casuals,and Deadlock is still in alpha so they will 100% tweak the times to finish a game
>>732764013IIRC 2XKO team was 2 or 3 dozen Riot buttbuddies until the last couple years before release. Infamously lazy office culture though. In some vid I saw>woman whose job is only to introduce developers to each other, neither are working when approached>their collaborative contribution across months to LoL was changing the shape of an object on a characters designI had to close that video but no shade to Riot concept artists who are the main workhorses and only real talents of the company. Only natural that a big name gets good artists applying.
>>732764497>go play [games that are either dead or have nothing but 3000 hour killers left]mm you're sort of missing the point in your rage. it's fun having people your skill level who are discovering things for themselves rather than playing a stale 20 year old meta with top tiers
>>732764497>koihime enbuThey teased rollback like 3 years ago and a new version like 2 years ago, tell them to hurry up.
>>732759456>>732763282Richard Garfield is a hilarious hack. He designs shit like he's forever stuck in the late 80s and ignores any advancements since then.I imagine Artifact would have had a better chance of success had he not been involved or at the very least not fucking terrible to play.
>>732764896Based Gabe! Can't wait for him to drop the newest Artifact and Underlord reworks that will make them into the genre titans they deserve to be!
>>732764749deadlock has a 4v4 mid only best of 5 game mode now that takes 5-15 minutes, I bet they will make more game modes as well. i hope we get one that's drop in/drop out like classic source games
>>732764879artifact would've ended up a hearthstone clone but with actual card trading might actually be preferable to garfield slop
>>732764990Unironically they should do an autobattler style game again but with deadlock instead
>>732764497"new games bad because my nooch godlike and they don't reward true nooch" is a dead giveaway the person complaining is a scrub who doesn't want to put in any effort anyway
>>732765000Why can't someone just make a fun shooter for teams of 12-16 players anymore that isn't also shackled to matchmaking queues
>>732757747>RTS game with campaign made in LoL's engineprobably wouldn't work without major engine rewrites. RTS games generally use different netcode architecture than MOBAs. well, WC3/HotS use deterministic lockstep but that meant that 1) reconnecting was a shit show or impossible 2) maphacks are possible
>>732761098they don't even cost anything because they're not using servers just to function
>>732765064Deadlock fighting game would go hard. No chance of that in a post 2XKO world, however.>>732765096At least we have TF2Classified to relive that golden age
>>732764497based LTGposter
>>732757668Riot also made it a tag based fighting game so they can hook the players into playing 2XKO with their engagement slop match making system. The worst thing about this 2-player fighting game is if you are a veteran at fighting games, you can just queue up with other veteran players so both of you climb easily and dominate the ladder.
someone beat Riot and even put it on mobile back in 2024https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PTetRPLTzvo?feature=share
>>732759456>>732764879garfield is a competent systems engineer but his ability to design and direct a game is nonexistent. somehow he has been unable to even form basic pattern recognition over what works and what doesn't. he's more robot than man. you can figure this out if you listen to him talk about game design for any length of timeultimately artifact was valve's fault because they didn't figure out what garfield's limitations were, and instead yes-manned him all the way through to a flop
>>732765384That explains a lot about the systems in Carnival of Monsters. I'm genuinely surprised he still manages to convince anyone to publish his work.
>>732765382>Fatass made of black holesMore sovl in one design than Riot could ever muster
>>732765751that is a ripoff of dynamo from deadlock
>>732765382Not just that, there's a second knockoff but much worse looking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nV_Kftqir4
No Riot game was ever good.
>>732766139Looked him up. Character is ugly I live the black hole creature more
>>732765382The McGinnis clone on the left and Wraith clone in yellow blazer are cute. Enough to convince me that a faithful copycat could succeed so long as they had better systems and movement. Modern techno slop sucks though.
>>732765382>Miku, Abrams, ???, Haze, ???, Dynamo, SevenWho are the one-armed guy and yellow jacket girl clones of?>>732766387Terrible taste
>>732766626>one-armed guygeist? >yellow jacket girlwraith
>>732766720He's not holding a gun so I was thinking Calico
>>732764497This nigga is pretty funny when he's making fun of other niggers on stream
>>732765751Zero soul because it’s just one to one ripoff
>>732765382Characters look exactly like I would expect from a Riot game. It only misses a buck with Killmonger haircut.
>>732766252LoL was sadly popular enough to make large parts of the gaming industry believe that Riot was privy to some unique ideas that everyone had to copy, including that retarded arm chair psychology about "toxic" players and the idea that developers need to directly intervene and baby their players
>>732757425It's really funny seeing Sajam and Diaphone be on maximum copium
>>732766929I don't know why LoL was so popular, it was a cheap dota clone like the hundreds they were launching back in the day, it felt like a game built in a week to ride the wave, people are just retarded
>>732759237>Can anyone name a SINGLE game made by former devs of a competitor in the genre that actually succeeded?the creator of street fighter 1 later joined SNK and created fatal fury and launched the whole KoF series
>>732767167I look forward to the Broski eulogy video since he's now 2 for 2 in backing losing horses after Nen Impacto
>>732767210It was easy to run and has less friction. I remember most people back in the day who played weren't able to run dota2 when that game came out. It was a lot of college students with school laptops
>>732767167>SajamGigacopium mode>DiaphoneDefinitely looks annoyed I don't think he's as annoyed by it since he can play other games>>732767273I don't think he expected Nen Impact to be a crazy popular game but he definitely looked pissed the game was barely functional
>>732757425They thought Valve was making a fighting game? Are they nuts?
>>732757425It doesn't even take three days for Deadlock to flop. How embarrassing it is for Valvetrannies right now. It's so bad the concept of mocking Deadlock for flopping like shit is the equivalent of beating a brain-dead retard patient to death. It's not fun, it's just downright depressing and pathetic.Can you imagine 20 years of just Riot straight up eviscerating Valve's entire existence with just one game? Now, in 2026, Valorant and TFT are continuing the trend of shitting on Valve's dead games. Fucking hell.
>>732759705Of course. That's why League of Legends was named League of Legends. They looked at World of Warcraft and how it abbreviates to WoW, so they wanted a title that uses the most commonly used online acronym, LOL, as its basis. It's all marketing faggotry.
>>732757747>LoL's early design philosophies carried overLoL was a just a dota allstars copy paste. What's with people acting like the company was innovative in any way?
>>732767576deadlock has 150k peaks and even stole away 2xko's biggest shill. it's time to face reality, sempai.
>>732767664It had its own things, like innate passives and less WC3 holdover abilities/designs. The era of 3-hit passive for instance or how its one of the first Western games to copy the Eastern freemium model. Beta was 2007 so very early F2P. The out-of-match rune pages too for weird customization/gimmick builds you could do
>>732767576>flopthe game isn't even out of private alpha yet and it's doing these numbers, i swear riotroons have a humiliation fetish
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>>732767950That's impressive actually considering the game has had absolute 0 advertising and is still invite only
>the 10-year long condid you rike it?
>>732767576>calls other troons while posting gay faggot character
>>732768143holy shit GGPO... 2XKO... maybe these asshats thought up the stupid name?!
>>732768471more like GGPOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>732768065That's a movie not a game.
>>732757425We already knew this.
>>732767950>>732768325>posting nothing but evidence of their tranny pajeet deadlock game floppinngI didn't realize that Valvetrannies are well-versed in being pajeets who get off to seeing their dead games flop harder than Concord. Even TFT is more relevant than >>732768325How does Abdul Ranjeet "Icefrog" Ismail's shit taste? Wipe that curry shit off your mouth; your shit-eating fetish is stinking up the board. Fucking embarrassing.
>>732768610take your medsyour reactions to deadlock existing are far beyond anything that can be considered normal or fun shitposting
>>732758926>and added the chat well few weeks after Valve made it in Dota2.League of legends always had chat, wut
>>732758189>fighting game reconnaissance
>>732768065you are completely right and it's awfulliterally all it took was waiting until the public forgot about the formula and how telltale's tailend had them spewing out fuckton of licensed garbage to rival THQ
>>732758926New, you idiot.
>732768610>well-versed in being pajeets who get off to seeing their dead games flop harder than Concord.but enough about riotdrones and riotforge/2xko lmao
>>732768770Tard meant wheel.
>>732758009Valorant plays more like cs:go than valorant. Time to kill is very low and players are slowed on hit, plus the primary gamemode is a bomb plant/defuse on maps with various gimmicks (teleporters, triple sites, opening/closing doors for alternate routes, etc)
>>732767210LoL was able to run on potato PCs back then.
>>732768756And you're still a brown turd worlder from India. Tell your Brahjeet caste master Abdul "Icefrog" Ismail to ramp up the Deadflop shilling to max because this is getting too embarrassing. Did he spend all of his entire savings on hiring his Jeet family to post this dogshit game 24/7 on /v/?
>>732757646They understood that a good first-time fighting game needs a really long cook time (don't even think about MMO development cook time) and that it wouldn't have immediate ROI. Note that 2XKO got pushed the fuck out under Riot's new leadership and is getting shitcanned immediately after release by Riot's new leadership, while previous leadership was more than happy to devote its budget across a full decade and just let it sloooowly percolate. This is ultimately more a case of a new leader being retarded and not knowing what he's looking at with a fighting game than it is "oh, they simply couldn't stack up to other fighting games, they were in too deep, they never had a chance, what were they thinking."The entirety of OP's greentext is power wanking their management that had no idea what they were looking at and killed it the moment it wasn't raking in infinity trillion dollars instantly, something that literally does not happen for any fighting game that isn't Super Smash Bros., a crossover fighter made by Nintendo with a very long history.
>>732764878I'd play Koihime if other people played it.
Riot just laid off half the 2XKO team all the riotfag can think of is DOTA
>>732759504This.Yugioh is so much more fun than other card games.
>>732767167>>732767530What's up with Sajam and putting all his eggs into one basket anyways? I feel like he's shilling games deader than the ones Jiyuna shills recently
>>732767872>innate passives, 3-hit passivewhoopdee doo>less WC3 holdover abilities/designslegal necessity>copy the Eastern freemium modelamazing>rune pagesjust microtransaction bait
>>73276757620 years of Riot dominating Valve completely mindbroken Valvetroons. It's sad, but that's just reality.
>>732769323Considering the state of modern fighting games, he probably thought 2XKO and Riot's "infinite" money could save fighting games. Obviously it didn't so Sajam is gearing up to be a Deadlock streamer now lol.
>>732769323He rejected Saudi money for twitter points but that really limited his choices afterwards.
>>732760032Duel Masters sucks
>>732768756He's the dota schizo, he made shitting on dota his entire personality and while he praise lol, it is also very obvious that je stopped playing it long ago because in his mind, it is literally impossible for someone to play both games.
>Riot dominatingClearly not since they just laid off half the 2XKO team.
This is the first time of my hearing that someone was tinkering with a Dota 2 fighter
>Replacing monsters and fantasy with marketable kpop girls>Riot>and now Valve in deadlock...
>>732769857It was one of the mini games in one of their seasonal battle pass modes.
>>732769857trust me the mode is really shitty, even for kusoge standards it is nothing. below easter-egg tier.
>>732759237Guild wars 1 was former Blizzard devs. Shame they mostly left by the time guild wars 2 released
>>732769813that part
>>732757763i love when retards spam this pic because in-context the guy is very much thinking about him and is seething internally
>>732769439>legal necessityExplain Valve just using basically WC3 abilities then. You can't copyright some ability in a game.
>>73276949320 years of Riot destroying Valve, btw. Notice that Valvetroons have no other metrics to use as proof other than using Steam websites, the only platform that is 100% owned and controlled by Valve. I'm noooticing the trend. Meanwhile, outside of Valve control, you can pretty much see how quickly their narrative crumbles as people easily find out how dead CS2, Dota 2, and Deadflop really are. Like, shit, bro, even dictators would not be this level of blatantly stupid at trying to make themselves look good. Can you imagine Kim Jong-un using a website called "KimJongUnisthebest.com" and said "look at how many people are saying that I'm a great leader." KEK
>>732769146>first-time>needs a really long cook time>and that it wouldn't have immediate ROIyou already spelled it out yourself thenit's really stupid businesswise if you don't have a breadth of other ways to get a return on the sideso there's no excusing or apologizing for it, it's not a muh new leadership is a retard this or that, it was a stupid thing all around, new or old leadership, i mean what is this, aew? are we tony khan? you just have some infinite sowdey money supply like sn-lol nevermindyou start small with a first time project unless you're feeling lucky like a google random search and you really feel like putting all your chips on 00>The entirety of OP's greentext is power wanking their management that had no idea what they were looking at and killed it the moment it wasn't raking in infinity trillion dollars instantlyand he's not wrongunless you can finance the entire project out of pocket yourself and you're willing to take any loss no matter how big over the course of 10 or so years and not mind what kind of roi you get, don't go so big because you're playing with investor money
>>732770527They got rid of a lot of them.Orb effects can all stack now while it was limited to 1 in dota 1.
>>732765382I wonder what's it like being a professional chinese artist and being asked to steal and redraw work from overseas. Wonder if they unironically feel proud or some level of disgust at least.
how the fuck do you work on a fighting game with 10 characters for 10 years?with hundreds of staff?
>20 years of Riot destroying ValveThey laid of 500+ employees 2 years ago dude. And basically just killed the 2XKO team lol.
>>732770838It wasn't stupid, it was a passion-project. It's not like Riot couldn't afford its development budget, if anything $200m for a major but low-impact release over *ten years* is amazingly good budgeting and a very clear indicator it was not a forefront project. >OHHHHHH POOR INDIE DEVELOPER RIOT GAMES THINK OF THE INVESTORSCome on, this is textbook mismanagement resulting from leadership change. Fighting games are a field where Riot is not going to dominate by default from lack of options the way that LoL and Valorant do, and it will never have ROI. That does not mean they should not ever release anything in those genres, it means they should be careful and considerate, which new leadership was definitely not by writing it off as a fucking failure after less than a month. Leadership is mad they didn't pull Street Fighter 6 numbers instantly, something Street Fighter 6 didn't do either. It took a while for those gears to grease.
>>732761432This. They probably spent some of the budget on a 100,000 office Expresso machine
>>732757425Based Valve making retarded chinkoids waste all their resources kek
>>732771319>It wasn't stupid, it was a passion-project.So passionate they started with 1v1, reworked it because they had no idea what they were doing, hired more people, pivoted to 2v2 because one guy went "ayo I have a dream", scrapped and reworked THAT VERSION again later, and then shit out a game where they proceeded to go:>We're changing shit up again, hold tight and keep the sauce ;)not even a week after console launch.Yeah real passionate.
>>732771319>It wasn't stupid, it was a passion-project.see, i knew you were thinking like thisi fucking knew itjfc
Okay but is 2XKO actually good
>>732771543>i fucking knew you were assuming the devs had a soul and that's why a niche game took a long time to developlol?
>>732771136Project L (2XKO) restarted development twice apparently. Originally it was a 1v1 fighter during 2016-2019 but changed to a tag fighter after that.https://youtu.be/N8Xbz1KBCXY?si=GkFkT8U24f4zBf-W
why is riot obsessed with valve games? Like they started with some old dota devs and want to fight dota2 but why did they make their own counterstrike, their own autochess, and their own fighting game just to try to copy valve? is their card game also inspired by artiflop? Are they going to make their own half life next?
>>732771618you know it's not "soul"you wouldn't do this shit yourself for 10 years for free like a jannie, you're lyingthe employees there certainly weren't doing this purely out of the kindness of their own hearts and passion and love for fighting gamesyou're a liar and a hypocrite
>>732771532>So passionate it went through multiple iterationsDid you know Yoshi's Island started as a Donkey Kong game? Silly argument.>not even a week after console launch.No shit, my own argument is leadership shifts are making behavior around the game very strange if not outright delusional.
>>732760108They'd add healer class for the foids.
>>732771620the animations you can see for Darius and Jinx made it into the game, they didn't restart from absolute scratch and there's still no excuse for only 10 characters
>>732771635>Are they going to make their own half life next?Close but they have an unannounced game called Project T. Apparently it's an MMOFPS inspired by Destiny 2 set in Valorant's universe. Look forward to another flop in the future if it even comes out :)
>>732770903and they did it because they wanted to evolve the game not some legal battle shit. They went through any of the legal stuff when Blizzard wanted to stop them from calling the game "Dota 2" by trademarking Defense of the Ancients/Dota
>Riot Games, a subsidiary of Chinese tech giant TencentWhy is it so funny. I can't even laugh at how dumb they are when you put it like that.
>>732771715Yoshi's island is ass though and gets MOGGED by Donkey Kong
>>732771635>their own counterstrike, their own autochess, and their own fighting game just to try to copy valve?Valve didn't invent shooters.Valve didn't invent auto chess, modders did and valve also copied the modders (and failed) Valve didn't invent fighting games and riot has been working on theirs since 2016, even though "rumors" about a supposed dota fighter are only leaking now.VaIvedrones are the ones obsessed with riot, not the other way around.
>>732772109Naw Super Donkey seems conceptually pretty boring, it probably got floated around until eventually becoming a Yoshi project for a reason.
>>732766626>Miku, Abrams, ???, Haze, ???, Dynamo, SevenMiku, Abrams, Infernus (bartender looking man with fire in hand), Haze, Wraith (black with tommy gun), Dynamo, Seven
>>732757425>Project LDamn right it is LMAO
>>732771853I guess they were just dicking around copying shit from other games. You can tell that the art style from the alpha footage was very different compared to their official announcement of Project L. It's obvious they trying to be similar to Strive.https://youtu.be/5hugGCZon3I?si=zAOU72K_J3FDlm6s
>>732769146Nigga, it doesn't take 10 years to make a fighting game. The devs are just hacks who love kusoge and spend all their time shoving in mechanics they liked that nobody else, actual FG players included, does without any actual vision leading to a game for hardly anybody outside of the dev team.
>>732772516>It's obvious they trying to be similar to Strive.My take as well, which is so weird because people like the arcane artstyle, and the backgrounds are already in that style, which clashes even more with the charactersI've also heard people say it's to make skins easier to get out
>>732772567b-but muh soul and m-muh passion
>>732772134>even though "rumors" about a supposed dota fighter are only leaking now.Kek this Riotroon is living under a rock
>>732772134What a coincidence out of all the shooters Valorant's gameplay based off. It has a very similar gameplay to Counter Strike!
>>732757668that would have been cool if they actually made some characters10 years of development and only having 9 characters is fucking disgraceful lmao
>>732764497>go play samurai shodownFor some reason I think I will
>>732772134Valvetrannies have been obsessed with Riot for 20 years now. Nothing will ever change. I remember the only time I know Dota 2: The International (the biggest Valve esports tournament) was only because one of the casters mentioned Riot Games and League of Legends, desperately trying to say the most cringy, corny-ass one-liner like they're some kind of Disney live-action cast of how much "better" Dota is. It was the saddest shit and secondhand embarrassment I've ever seen. I don't think I have seen any Rioters, nor do they care or remember to mention Valve or any of their dead games in any capacity. Most of this "rivalry" has been a one-sided thing. This image of the person saying "I don't think about you at all" encapsulates what Riot Games actually thinks of Valve. It's funny because that's the reality of it, and it triggers Valvetroons every time it gets posted.>>732757763
>>732772567It doesn't take 10 years to make a fighting game when you already have an idea of what you're doing in the genre, already have a game-plan in mind, and have management that don't have insane expectations for what you're doing. Like any shit project it's pretty obvious the only work done on its current incarnation was done in the past 3-4 years out of the 10. Everybody forgets Duke Nukem Forever and other dev hell projects undergoing problems, directional mishaps, or multiple incarnations when ragging on the newest one.
>valvetranniesIronic since there was a LoL player in /vg/ who became a tranny in 2014 despite the general's advice that was a bad idea who later killed himself.
>>732772625You would think the Arcsys style modeling would make it more difficult but I don't know
>Dota was created as a mod that valve just copied>counter strike was created as a mod that valve just stole the rights to>Dota auto chess was created as a mod that valve just stole the rights to (and then made a worse version that died anyways)>valve copied blizzard again to make their own card game after blizzard made hearthstone (which also failed spectacularly and died) >valve copied Smite to make Deadlock >valve tried to copy fighting games but couldn't even managed to actually finish anythingAnd vaIvedrones cry that riot isn't original and only copies them?
>>732773210Icefrog went to Valve after Blizzard turned his idea for a standalone DotA down
>>732773361>fat manLiterally me
>>732760108Idk gameplay wise but you can guarantee it'd have 6 gorillion skins per character, a random card system with le ebin zany augments, and any sort of advantage due to skill completely removed from the game
>>732769493More means better, that's why Mobile Legends: Bang Bang is a better game than CS, Dota and Valorant.
>>732772982>when you already have an idea of what you're doing in the genre, already have a game-plan in mindYou say this like it's not a failing of the devs. You're right. The big problem is that they had no actual vision and even when they got an idea they had no clue how to execute it and just dawdled for years. I agree.
>>732772879They've never gotten over the fact that the "baby copycat" version of their game became far more popular and successful and have had a complex about it ever since.Back when I used to browse the league general I would absolutely never see dota mentioned for any reason, but if I popped into the dota general you couldn't go 50 posts without someone randomly bringing up riot or league>I bet lolbabs would shit themselves if they tried to play this hero!>Guys guys look at the newest lol character it's a guy with a sword they're just just copying OUR guy with a sword (which has never been done before by anyone but valve)!>look at how many views our tournament stream has bet lolbabs are seething!!
>samefagging this hard because he know Riot Games is in troublelol
>>732767664>LoL was a just a dota allstars copy pasteNo, they massively simplified and streamlined it.
>>732773210Valve really never had an original idea. Just look at how many features introduced from Valorant that Valve plagiarized and implemented into CS2. It's truly shameless, and they do it in the most blatant way too.
>>732773705That's basically their mode of operation for any game mechanics. Even something as simple as Healing is considered 'anti-fun' because it offers resistance to scoring.
>>732757425This would be less of a problem if game devs didn't take 5-10 years for every fucking project now a days and could do it in a year or less. You'd think bigger company and more money = faster dev cycle but nope
>>732773601>why didn't the first time fighting game devs magically know what to do already? are they stupid?Once again Riot can more than afford to piddle around on their own Final Fantasy Versus 13 level go-nowhere projects for as long as they want while their live-service garbage is still in effect and still raking in hundreds of millions of dollars. Calling this a failing is corpo-brained and you've got better things to do than play armchair CEO.
>>732773196there's far less attention to detail in 2XKO's models than there is in Xrd/Strive
>>732773361ttags: size_difference
>>732771981>Windrunner became windranger>Necrolyte became necrophos>Outworld devourer became outworld destroyer
>>732773729>>how many features introduced from Valorant>buy menu and.......>no mention of Valorant itself being plagiarism of CSGO
>>732773210>riot isn't original and only copies them?You haven't disputed that.
Valorant started development in 2014. The same year CSGO esports started to became popular. What a coincidence, eh?
>>732774027>he couldn't even refute the fact that Valve plagiarized most of the feature from Valorantyepyepyep. I accept your concession. The fact that Valve is also plagiarizing League art style for deadflop and yet Deadlock is still flopping is even more embarrassing.
>>732759237Namco hired former Sega VF devs to make Tekken.
I know Riot wants to diversify since they can't keep LoL esports running on their own dime forever, but surely they realize that nobody actually cares about the LoL world, universe, or its characters.
>>732774527arcane gave them hopw but all people cared about was the lesbos and not the setting itself since they keep retconning it time and time again
>>732774036The only indisputable case of that happening was league, where the team had multiple ex dota devs and the goal was openly to make their own version of the game.Everything else is just delusional cope, trying to pretend valve invented genres or modes it didn't so you can then accuse riot of copying it, even in cases where valve was just copying or stealing ideas in the first place.
>>732759237>Can anyone name a SINGLE game made by former devs of a competitor in the genre that actually succeeded?League of Legends.
>>732773850Nigga, there are indie, crowdfunded fighting game devs with less experience that made games with a more coherent vision in less time than 2XKO. You are literally just crying that Riot didn't bankroll them forever and let them collect easy paychecks despite showing nothing of value for years and years hoping that eventually they'd pull a masterpiece out of their asses. The devs also already had experience. They've worked on fighting games before. Riot even bought the company because they had a working alpha that showed promise which they proceeded to scrap completely as more marvelfags came onto the team.>you've got better things to do than play armchair CEOAnd you've got better things to do than cry like you're one of the dudes that just got laid off.
>>732774527>that nobody actually cares about the LoL world, universe, or its characters.I do, but the game itself has to be good and not shit (this is a big ask, apparently).
>>732774770>You are literally just crying that Riot didn't bankroll them forever and let them collect easy paychecks despite showing nothing of value for yearsI like how you have to assume malice and no managerial oversight for 2XKO's development hell when we're talking about a sudden kibosh of the game from the inside after Riot changed leadership. Get a grip, quit being stupid on purpose.
>>732774527I used to care before they raped the lore
Rising Thunder was a cute little game, really should have just stuck with that instead of whatever this shit was
>>732774918'Member when everybody was explicitly being summoned from different worlds as reigning heroes or reigning villains by a third-party of summoners fighting proxy wars, instead of this shared universe shit they have going on now
>>732774982the debugging symbols of rising thunder match 2xko by 80%, as far as im concerned 2xko is just rising thunder reskinned
>>732757425>Riot Games, a company with a proven track record and immense creative talent
>>732774527maybe they should have made lore worth caring about instead of the most generic bullshit f2p kitchen sink fantasy jank ever made
>>732767167and Max is coping hard in his latest video that the game can still find an audience, despite the fact its now known as the game that lost half its devs>>732769323he wanted easy money since he has rejected Saudi money, but Diaphone was genuinely banking on 2xko to be huge and quit his job for it, he is genuinely worried now.
>>732774527>>732775135LoL looks like a bunch of soulless businessmen tried to copy whatever was popular with no care about making a cohesive world, on top of having that weird artstyle that looks like westerners trying to copy anime. You end up having a character with laser guns and a Harley Quinn clone fighting against a medieval knight and a samurai.
>>732772879Yes it’s tounge in cheek.It would require you not having autism to understand that.Meanwhile in league ksantes whole lore is just that he’s gay and black.Taking itself dead serious by the way. League is cringe. It’s undeniable. It’s held up by gacha and Chinese now. Quite literally a children’s game. I played league and got to diamond and even I have the intellectual honesty to admit that dota is better.From your image I’m willing to guess u only play league because you’re a pedo and it suppplies little girl characters.
>do something (or nothing)>your competition shits itself and does retarded things in responseHow the fuck does Valve keep getting away with it?
>>732774985Why is it even called Summoner's rift anymore
>>732775435Ksante is fucking gay too? Holy shit my fucking sides he's the most generic killmonger hair nigger possible and they make him gay. Why are people so obsessed with zesty gay niggers it's so weird
>>732774915>I like how you have to assume malice and no managerial oversight for 2XKO's development hellNigger, they've literally said themselves that they chose to turn the game into a 2v2 tag fighter after clockwork showed up and pitched it to them. Riot did not tell them to scrap the project they bought them for to spend another six years making a niche game within a niche genre. They just gave them the freedom to completely fuck up. Other dev teams have also said Riot gave them more than enough freedom. You have not followed development for this game at all if you think it's all on Riot. It is understandable but you are just looking so hard to blame the corporation that you do it even when they genuinely did nothing wrong. I do not like defending Riot but the 2XKO devs have put me in that position.And I'm not assuming malice on the dev team's part. I just think they suck at their jobs.
>>732767167Where was that energy when COTW/HxH/DNF Duel/whatever flopped? It's funny that they're in denial and full of copium about this flop when they were quick to make fun of other flops. Not so funny when it's your friends, is it?
>>732775529watch Buck Breaking and you'll understand
>>732770515>i love when retards spam this pic because in-context the guy is very much thinking about him and is seething internallyWhat the fuck are you talking about you stupid fucking niggerDon was not thinking about that retarded schizophrenic at that time at all, fuck off back to red dit
>>732775470How did valve get away with artifact and Underlord?
>>732769323Jiyuna is basically only making cotw and Blazblue videos in the year of our lord 2026 and winning
>>732757425How the fuck can anyone call this "being baited" when there was never any fucking bait nor intent by Valve to compete with anyone?The Riot morons made up the competition in their own head and still lost.And what kind of psychotic retards would challenge Valve and expect to have a chance anyway? If they were to release a full game it's doing to be a guaranteed hit that sets new industry standards. The Riot retards must have been high on their own supply if they seriously thought they had even the shadow of a chance to outdo an official Valve project.
>>732763863It looks like it copied of DOTA2.
>>732775493Legacy leftover name. I remember there used to be fan comics that the Summoners are basically a bunch hobos now since the great retcon.
>>732775897>And what kind of psychotic retards would challenge Valve and expect to have a chance anyway? If they were to release a full game it's doing to be a guaranteed hit that sets new industry standards.
>>732769323Dude is very open about finding current SF6 and Strive boring, he has said so on stream. He also shit talked the Saudis endlessly, which is a problem now that they own the whole FGC. He has nowhere to go other than small or older games, which he's no stranger to, it's what he did for a long while after being blacklisted from SFV. But I think he doesn't enjoy fighting games anymore, apparently he has been playing mostly Deadlock off stream all day. I think he's only enjoying 2xko due to the novelty, it's different enough from the games he's bored of. So he's not motivated to play smaller games, the big games are boring and he's on the verge of being forced into shilling for Saudis, and the one game he was enjoying died.
>>732775970Here's one
>>732776019Try to actually articulate whatever argument you think you can make here. Adding an real game would also help.
>>732775547>You have not followed development for this game at all if you think it's all on Riot. It is understandable but you are just looking so hard to blame the corporationI don't think you have been reading this conversation very carefully
>>732775435Valvetrannies defending their generic dogshit design and then trying to criticize League design is the funniest shit I've ever seen. Legion Commander was once a man before Valve transitioned him into becoming a tranny. Lina was once called Link before Valve turned him into a tranny. Cry harder, faggot. Nobody remembers your dogshit generic orc that was ripped straight from the Warcraft III model. Wrap it up, Ranjeet. You're still a brown turdworlder defending Valve dogshit dead game created by an actual Pajeet by the name Abdul Ismail, aka IceFrog.
>>732776174>Try to actually articulate whatever argument you think you can make here. Adding an real game would also help.
>>732776092>I think he's only enjoying 2xko due to the riot moneyftfy
Lina was the sorceress model from wc3....
>>732776292Sad that Riot has never made anything better than that.
>>732771701the original devs were actually long time members of the fighting game community who really love fighting games however, so I don't agree with youif they wanted to they could have just been software devs at some bank for 2-3x the money and 50x the job security.
>>732776259Then clarify what you're saying for me, anon.
>>732776372It doesn't count as copying when valve does it.
>>732774985Yeah, when it was cool, and we head small pieces of the world outside the League
>>732769323>only 2xko videos I didnt think it was this bad
>>732769501>>732776092>Sajam Deadlock streamerlmao he is gonna get washed, he won't make it as a streamer because he's not good enough, not insightful enough or not entertaining enough due to having the personality of a dry sponge. He also would be a terrible deadlock tournament commentator, he has no energy for mobas, hes gonna crawl back to sf6 once he get enough of the russians swearing at him
>>732776394>Sad that Riot has never made anything better than that.
>>732776168she didn't say no
>>732776491he'd rather be hoemelss than actually play SF6, can't blame him though
>valveniggers bringing up their favorite companies with no relevance to the topicValve doesn't even have a fucking fighting game. 2xko's failure is not relevant to valve in anyway. No where else on the internet are people bringing up valve in discussions about 2xko. Only you gaben cult retards on here. You and Linuxfags are the same people no doubt.
>>732761432The most wasteful place in the world
>>732776168Damn I love Lulu
>>732769146>>732773850I don't give a flying fuck how long it took or how much money it took or who's to blame when Riot can completely afford it no matter the cost, and I blame current Riot leadership which has changed recently for why 2XKO is being disowned after being allowed to exist in the background for a decade with no problems.
>>732757425Not exactly related to Riot, but this is what I don't get when people think companies are incapable of making mistakes. If you point out a dumbass decision a company makes, a bunch of pajeet bootlickers will show up and say "that's what makes money, saaar," but clearly, as we can see, even one of the biggest games in the world still fucks up. So I don't get where this belief that companies can do no wrong came from.
>>732776350Dude rejected Saudi money.>>732776491>He also would be a terrible deadlock tournament commentatorRemember that he got popular doing funny segues into ads at small tournaments at the beginning of sfv's lifespam. Dude is a professional shill and has connections, he can easily secure a job and sponsors.>>732776267Both designs suck. Garbage on the left is an overdesigned mess, the one on the right looks ok but is completely generic and forgettable. Model on the left is higher quality though.
>>732757425is there any source for this or did you just make it up?
>>732776267Lina was always a Lina Inverse reference. She even has all of her spell names. I do wish Valve would update the older Dota models faster because Lina is one of the earliest models made.
>>732776564hes just not entertaining enough to build an audience without relying on a more interesting FGC behind him.he also is just a pale imitation of other retards he wishes he was more like (ultrajew-vid and aris)
>>732776775it's made up and also the text is AI generated, see >>732759680
the project L team got bought based on a shitty tech demo like a decade ago where the whole gimmick was "easy controls". riot is just retarded.
>>732776831yeah figures
>>732776464>he really thought 2xko was gonna be his big money ticket with those viewslmao
>>732759456Mindbug was made by Garfield and it's pretty good.
>>732776687>Dude is a professional shill and has connections, he can easily secure a job and sponsors.this doesn't mean he won't be a shit commentator and moba players are louder and angrier than fg players
>>732776464>>732776932Now look at the views when he did one street fighter video. Hell, the Fatal Fury video in this pic has more views than his 2xko videos, that's funny
>>732776687>Dude is a professional shill and has connectionsValve games are also way bigger than the FGC and have higher standards for casters. There are other people with better connections forged.
>>732758189It takes me maybe 10 minutes to learn 99% of combos in tekken.
>>732776932>>732777105He should've gone the Maxishilian route and pivoted into variety streaming random fighting games.
>>732777105holy shit he really bet on the wrong horse, no wonder he wants to try and get out with deadlock
>>732777150this, theres no doubt gonna be some Dota guys doing some Deadlock work, I won't be surprised if Slacks do stuff too.Purge reading patch notes and reviewing games would be great too but I think he only really cares about Dota
>>732777150I miss when TI was more relaxed and less overtly professional looking and didn't have 1 required woman on screen at all times
>>732759237iga's bloodstained did pretty well
>>73277741413 hour patch streams for deadlock would be hilarious
>>732759353>Bruh these niggas actually sucked their own dicks and thought they was getting a blowjob hahahahaKEK
So the entire games industry is just waiting for Valve to do something so everyone else can leap onto it before they do?
>>732767664it was their first mobathus it was special
>>732775698confirmed speedwatcher, don was seething so much about ginsberg that he had to resort to cheap tricks like "forgetting" his pitches in the cab (much like how pendragon deleted the main dota community website when his lardass was recruited to riot)
>>732763863chinese copy, never innovatesorry buddy
>>732777805Yes because AAA is too big and slow to move to catch up on trends like Indies and AA can. They hope they can catch a whiff of what something like Valve is cooking before it gets big so they can cash in on the craze but it takes them like 2 years
>>732757425riot don't realy seem to make many games at alland the ones they do make come out not even half-finished. 10 years working on this game and they only bothered to make a handful of characters. I don't think anyone at riot has any idea how to ship a game
>>732777414there was a video by deathy where he coached slacks in deadlock, the guy could absolutely not play at all. btw i fucking hate that faggot, he should have been banned from dota hosting if the game knew what was good for it (and kept james RIP)
>>732759353supervive was actually a nice game. I don't like battle royals so I didn't play it much, but it was smooth.
>>732757425>>732777805>riot bought the rising thunder devs in 2016>leaks of an alleged dota fighting game come out in 2024, and can literally only be found by a guy named "Gabe Follower" on twitter Unless you retards think valve was already making this 11 years ago, but somehow not a single rumor or screenshot got leaked for 9 years, then valve was the one following riot.There's also no record anywhere on the Internet of anything OP is quoting, meaning it's almost certainly a fake newd article OP prompted chatGPT and then reposted himself in green text to make it seem like he's quoting a real new article that doesn't actually exist.You vaIvedrones are the most gullible retards on the planet, but you'll screencap and spam this OP post for the rest of time anyways pretending it's real because you're just that desperate to cry about absolutely everything riot does because of your inferiority complex.
Texaco will rise again!
>>732772879>valvetrannies>epictrannies>riottranniesbro all of you should kill yourselves holy shit
>>732757425What went wrong with Trannylock, bruh? Valve's newest slop just keeps losing players every day. Even TFT has more players than Deadcock KEK>>732776512>TFT has 33 million monthly active playersDamn, that's like the entirety of Valve's dead player base plus TF2/CS2/Dota 2 bots that inflate the player counts on Steam.
>>732758189wasn't that what Rising thunder was before Riot killed it by buying the devs and making 2xko?
>>732778974deadlock is a good game
>>73277651233 million different players per month? Or 33 million individual play sessions per month?Answer carefully, you beaner.
>>732766831"let me tell you a bedtime story" and "you look like a pizza delivery guy" are classics
>>732757747>>732764498>Early RiotYou mean the same Riot that decided to license a cheap russian engine (the same engine that fucking Big Rigs is made in btw) to make their signature game "league of legends" and cause a horrifying tech debt that is still present to this day? the engine is so hilariously bad that not even a netcode focused engine rewrite like how >>732765114 says would be enough. Shit is probably not even able to do a decent RTS without causing a whole lot of problems, it would unironically be easier to just grab fucking source 2's Dota fork and optimize it because Valve is autistic and for some reason they preserved the whole functionality of the WC3 engine when making Dota 2 (which is probably why it was the first game that got ported into Source 2 because I doubt original Source merged well with that lol)
>>732779043>assfaggotsNo it's shit. Now if they made the main thay new brawl mode where you don't spend 20 minutes farming creeps each game then it might be good.
>>732779270>20 minutes farming creepsgit gud
>>732779270>tf2 trannies can only brooolkekypow
Some of these posts are following the same exact pattern of Jinxschizo riotshill.
>>732758189that's smash and it is popular
>>732773210What are you smoking to believe that Deadlock is a copy of Smite? lmao
>>732774985The game has the same problem as Overwatch, the game itself is not canon and makes no sense in the lore
>>732779323>assfaggotsNo thanks, bro.
Rising Thunder died for literally no reason
>>732758261>IT'S LEAGUE CHARACTERS IN A MOBA>IT'S THE SAME LEAGUE CHARACTERS IN A CARD GAME>IT'S THE SAME LEAGUE CHARACTERS IN A FIGTHER>IT'S THE SAME LEAGUE CHARACTERS IN A RPGI'm surprised they didn't put league characters in their first person shooter yet.
>>732780250meant for >>732758439
>>732766829I think >>732772216 got it, it's Infernus.
>>732757425No seriously, I can't believe this den of retards is falling for a fake news article OP obviously prompted himself with AI. VaIvedrones will believe literally anything as long as it feeds their riot hating complex.
>>732758189It still won't have players. The only way to pull in casuals is to make a high quality single player campaign, and at that point anyone sane will make an action game of some kind.Just accept the genre is done. SF for people who think they can make it in esports and Smash for casuals. That's it. There's no room for anything else.
>>732780546Valve cults are mentally ill, and they're mostly trannies too.
>>732781028>and Smash for casualsIn theory there should be room for a competitor here. Smash is old and unsupported, Nintendo does their hardest to kill their scene, it's a console exclusive which filters many, and it's a garbage product with shitty online and high input lag. Shouldn't be hard to make a better game. We also know there's interest, Multiversus had tons of players, they just need to not fuck up which for some reason seems impossible for Smash-like devs to do.
I'd honestly play TWEKSKO if it weren't for the chinese anti-cheat that has a minor chance to brick your PC. I just have so many other games to play that even one little roadblock like that is enough for me to pass.
Is Riot disappointed in their own game? Looks pretty good, like a guilty gear clone.
>>732781280the fundamental problem with all smash clones is that they fail to realize that you have to make a good, attractive game first before all the other shit comes. Even if you somehow get all the hype and hoopla somehow, it won't stick if the game is trash which is the greatest lesson something like multiversus could have taught
>>732781485They just laid off like half the staff working on it. I guess they were expecting Multiversus numbers or something.
>>732757763riot has literally not done anything original in over 15 years. they exist to just copy what valve does and make it palatable to chinks, indians, and annoying white people who want to pretend that they're black.
>>732781653The guy who managed to convince them that a tag fighter would be a smash hit and string them along for 10 years while getting cushy jobs for 159 of his friend is a real scamming mastermind.
>>732757747I was upset they never made a custom games feature similar to wc3 had. There was a lot of potential. Aram, Arab, hide and seek, there was that racing mode in SR where you had to make 3 laps in opposite directions of the enemy team, and you won if you survived.There was just a lot of potential but I guess riot was afraid of someone making their competitor in their own backyard, similar to what they did to blizzard.
>>732781653>I guess they were expecting Multiversus numbersThat's funny since they cancelled a LoL platform fighter because they got spooked with Multiversus flopping.
>>732757763Pretty much this. Valve is a dogshit company full of jeets who have Riot Games' success continuously living rent-free inside their brown heads.
Anyone up for some Fightcade?
>>732780546>>732781113Gotta farm engagement for Twitter screenshots and r/steam.The fact that mods don't even bother deleting these threads let alone banning people for violating rule 2 is aggravating.Valveniggers are the worst by far on this board. They can samefag and as we see with OP make up literal bullshit. Even reddit would have removed his post.Every thread here is positive about Valve. Always. It's a cult and we're on their compound.
>>732778867if anything valve working on that sidegame for 8+ years would be just as dumb as 2xko taking 10
>>732781113Bruh, there WAS a /lolg/ lurker that turned into a tranny that died lmao.
>phone postingAn Indian defending how shit Riot is lmao
>>732780546nobody is talking about the OP they're just discussing the topic of Riot getting scammed by retards who thought a tag fighter would make it big in the casual sphere with 10 playable characters
>>732757747The last Warcraft 3 style RTS game was Dawn of War 3 and the Warhammer 40k community killed it.Warcraft 3 sells its gameplay with its story and Riot, both back then and especially nowadays, is not a studio that can write a decent story or setting to save their life.
>>732757528They completely dumped all the work they had and started from 0.
Riot Forge is dead. So much for success.
>>732757425But what if the garbage riot fighting game turned out good and not just another shitty riot game?Oh right, nvm.
>>732757425Someone needs to make a Dota 2 fighting game, unironically
>>732782356You think this is bad? League players have been dealing with this shit for almost two decades, so it becomes nothing but a daily occurrence to them. You have not seen anything yet. Wait till the news of Valve losing the lawsuit in court over their monopoly of PC gaming, that's where all hell breaks loose. The Valve fanboyism in this thread is just the typical jeets talking point that you often see in the saddest Valve cult subreddit called /r/dotamasterrace. I'm not even joking when I say that subreddit has existed for almost 15 years now.https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2g1md0l23o
Why did Dota cause the creative bankruptcy of Valve?
>>732782736A few people said that, but the majority of the thread has just been valve fanboys going "XD riot never comes up with anything original they were just copying valve again when they heard valve was making a fighter and then valve didn't even decide to actually make it XD".Obvious issues with such an alleged timeline of how a 2024 leak from valve would somehow prove riot was copying them when they started their fighter in 2016 were ignored because they didn't fit the valve fanboy narrative. And the fact that OP would even go to the lengths of generating a fake news article to accompany his post and try to pass it off like he were quoting a real article goes to show he was intentionally trying to trick people into believing the biased and fake narrative he wanted to fabricate, which he then either samefagged support for, or was blindly believed because other valve fanboys like himself also wanted to believe everything bad about riot they can regardless of its actually or true or even makes absolutely any sense to begin with.
Riot is so successful that they laid more than 500 employees, shut down Riot Forge, andlaid off another 80 people from the 2XKO team.
>>732782830>The last Warcraft 3 style RTS game was Dawn of War 3Nope, normal units died way too fast for it be be a WC3 clone.FFS, even a lvl6 swordmaster would struggle to one shot a militia in WC3 while the heroes in DoW3 did that routinely.
>>732783269>Wait till the news of Valve losing the lawsuit in court over their monopoly of PC gamingThere's no such lawsuit.
>>732764497Based
>>732783282Gabe loves Dota 2. This is why we got dogshit like Artifact and Underlords
>riot gets baited into making a fighting game >fails >valve gets baited into making a shooter moba >will fail eventually funny to see but what's funnier is how both companies have had multiple failures in recent years riot fails: >fighting game >single player publishing >card game >minecraft x skyrim valve fails: >auto chess >card game >shooter moba (soon) all that's left is to see if riot's mmo will fail too
>>732784218Honestly if valve didn't have the gigantic safety cushion underneath their ass that was Steam allowing them to make 90% of their money just by passively acting as the middleman for other companies game sales, they'd be a way fucking bigger failure of a game company than riot.
>>732784218Alyx was kind of a flop too IMO
>>732784218Fortnite claiming it's victory royale over the ASSFAGGOTS companies
>>732764497some retarded spook saving images of a 40+ year old man on your pcget a job
>>732784525Still the best game of the 2020's and it's not even close
>>732784581Hi, LTG Please make an IRL Salty Suit with DSP
>>732784218You forgot about Project F (the LoL ARPG) and Project T (MMOFPS). There's barely any info about Project F since its teaser.https://youtu.be/fR8aPX-6s-I?si=zFt9KkTRikvA5Uba
>>732784708F
I'm already so tired of hearing>bro they should have just the made the smash clone bro it would have been so good
