I'm glad to see that the ai bubble is finally starting to burst.
>>732761249That's not what "soul vs. soulless" means, you dumb cunt. It's when something is made with heart and passion for what is being created, not what it can bring the creator.
when you think about it, editing wojaks really laid the foundation for a new generation of anons who cannot draw, cannot produce oc, and have no creative spark. the perfect sort who sit there pumping out dalle crap all day
furfags STILL seething that /v/ didn't like the spyro demakes
>>732761408Why would I care? I never played the original games. I didn't even have a PS1 as a kid.
>trillions of investments>data centers built as we speak>ai integrated into pretty much anything from whatsapp to your browser<YOU ARE HERE, NO BRO YOU DON'T GET IT IT WILL POP ANY TIME NOW, TWO MORE WEEKS>>AGI
>AI, make a circle but include imperfections and rough edges
>>732761486Is the joke that none of these are good
Lol AI isn't going anywhere
>>732761496>you have to tell the ai to make an imperfect circle on purposeI don't get how you're so retarded that you don't realise your shitty argument destroys itself and proves op's pic right, lmao.
>>732761249This picture wasn't created to argue against AI and you know it. Don't be a retard.
>>732761249what a retarded image
>>732761659How is the audience (who is deciding if it has soul) supposed to know whether a human drew it or an AI (instructed to draw like a human)?
>>732761486>>trillions of investments>>data centers built as we speak2 more weeks bro
>>732761249>I'm glad to see that the ai bubble is finally starting to burst.Is it actually or is it another of your personal opinions?
If I drew a circle and put it side-by-side with an AI drawn circle created with a prompt like: "draw an circle like a human using a pen would, with imperfections". Would anybody be able to tell which is which?
>>732761486Companies are already regretting wasting hundreds of thousands of dollars on ai shit, lmao.
>>732761348rage comics???
>>732762125you could've found out by just posting that, instead of asking about asking it
>>732762125>Would anybody be able to tell which is which?Yeah. Remember when some retard made an ai pic of a poorly drawn sonic picture, and then he began samefagging his post over and over again pretending that he's other anons falling for it and calling it a real drawing.
When the AI bubble bursts and I'm forced to go back to hand drawn porn I'm going to have a real hard time going back
>>732762125Easily, yours would look gayer
I can't believe AI is dead...
>>732761249I hope someone makes you a sovlful house project and only people with real sovl build it
>>732762704You could just kick the habit entirely
>>732761313Soul means it looks, plays, and sounds like shit; but you can't afford to play anything better.
>AI bubble will burst! >just two more weeks! >all the models released so far?>they'll just disappear overnight, of course!
>>732761348i really hate how dead OC is on this siteit doesn't helps that mods actively go against OC threads nowadays too
>>732763168>>just two more weeks!That's literally your line.
>>732763218mods are so gay. they will ban you for fun posting or talking about vidya they don't approve of
>>732763258it's been a "no u" phrase since the lefty retards trusted the governments telling them two weeks to stop the spread and then back to normal.it's attributed to everything and anything to dilute the fact that it was originally a lie told to citizens as a means of control
>>732763168it's not that AIslop exists really that annoys people, it's the HUGE shill campaigns from companies. they push it on everyone and for everything. that's why there's such a loud oboxious minority on /v/ promoting the sloppa, it's because everyone is downwind from traditional advertising (though they think they're above it)
>>732763335>since the lefty retards trusted the governments telling them two weeks to stop the spread and then back to normalhow fucking new are you that you think this started during covid?
>>732761249Zoomers, soul means "I made it because I cared", soulless means, "I made it for literally any other reason than that"When someone cares, it tends to be good regardless of whether it's professionally polished or not. That's it, soul does not mean it looks like shit. If you cared about something, you'd do your best to make it look good. High fidelity does not inherently look good, a good art style does regardless of whether it's realistic graphics or not.
I'm gonna say it: I'm genuinely sick of the "soul vs. soulless" argument, and any relating memes.Get new material already.
>>732761348>>732763218All that AI slop you tell mods to delete? That's all OC made by anons. By definition. Most of those images can only be found on 4chan
>>732763553its just based vs cringe again we'll rotate the buzzwords out again in a few years I expect
>>732761249That is the dumbest thing I've ever read.
>>732763314yeah they basically trained newfags to avoid making OC and earnestly talking about video games
>>732761249people nowadays just screencap any post
>>732763489>When someone cares, it tends to be good regardless of whether it's professionally polished or notThat is blatantly untrue.
>>732763575you didn't make the content thoughalso i don't tell the mods to do shit, i don't care that much about AI threads specificallyas far as dogshit threads go they aren't so bad, beats twitter screencap ragebait thread #4437739
>>732763218>hurrr durrr creativity inspiration vision soulNone of these are tangible, quantifiable, provable human qualities. No one on /v/ has even once come up with a solid definition for any of these concepts in all the threads that we've had about the subjects.All they are is unnecessary social constructs that only serve to muddle up constructive discourse and stall progress. They can be replicated with AI, generating potentially endless OC to uplift the site if you just let go of your fucked up predispositions and accept AI art as art.
>>732763029Not even close. You are seething and sipping for a robot anon...
>>732761249Oh? Can I get some reasonably priced GPU and RAM then?
>>732763029A game demonstrating soul is more forgivable for rough edges because you can tell how much care went into the core experience (or at least attempted).
>>732761249this retard really wrote an essay to justify why he can't even manage to draw a circle kek
>>732763218unironically the claude plays pokemon threads have a lot of OCs
>>732763741If I didn't make it then who did? It didn't appear spontaneously. It wouldn't exist without me and my precise instructions and inputs / images, which I picked because of my own creativity and humor
>>732763168luddites really think like this when many sloppa generators run well on many, many computers.
the AI bubble isn't going to burst, the majority of AI companies are going to burst, that's a total different thing, the investors will continue throwing money at the best ones.
>>732761313So if somebody makes something and 'puts their heart into it' or whatever, and somebody else does it as strictly mercenary work with no investment, and they both manage to create the same exact thing, one is somehow inherently superior to the other because the feelings of the creator somehow effect the end product? Do you realize how fucking stupid that sounds?
>>732761249Nah soul is something that comes from the mixture of tight budget, ambition, and passion
>>732761486>AGI is coming because some companies are investing in a big circle
>>732761249Soul is just underrated charm
I can't fap to aishit though. It's just not hot.
>>732763747AI can't replicate the effort someone personally puts into drawing, even if the AI's result can be technically better than what someone can make i don't care, the point is that someone here spent their time creating something just for others to enjoy and discuss, to have a laugh, to go awooga, to kneel at its awesomenessi'm not even anti-AI, but it's not the same thing, i just like seeing people put their own effort into things>>732763896yeah these threads are great>>732763950the AI made itit's the same as commissioning art, you are asking another entity to create a drawing for you
>looking at ai slop on panda>every other upload is some BBC cuck shitThere's so much of it, it has to be a coordinated spam campaign. It's influencing Jap artists too, they're making bbc doujins now too. I suspect this is how Jews are getting a food in the door to make Japs worship niggers too.
Lads who fail to grasp the thoughts behind OP pics should stick to programming tbhdesu
>>732764002The one made as a result of hard work would be more endearing. The author/creator matters, as do the circumstances around and behind the work itself. That's why movies and games sometimes ship with commentary tracks, why documentaries are made, why history is studied etc.Fuck the products being exactly identical, people will settle for the inferior one if they can attribute some additional sentimental value to it over the superior product. That's how Apple got big.
>>732764440you don't filter tags?
Just ask the AI tard his favorite character. Ask him if he believes an AI could have designed them from scratch, written them, made their game. Only the most delusional ones will believe this is possible. The rest will understand that the human element will always be necessary and claiming AI could make entire video games is like saying your phone's auto-complete function could write Baudrillard. It's a tool at best.
>>732761313that is essentially the argument OP's pic is making
>>732764362>AI can't replicate the effort someone personally puts into drawing,AI used up more energy producing the image.
>>732764520They are often incorrectly tagged, probably on purpose. Many of them are just a normal cute girl on the thumbnail then as soon as you open it it's BBC faggottry. Another reason why I think it's a coordinated spam campaign, probably by Israelis.
>>732764362>the AI made itthe AI drew it to my instruction. Like my hand drew a doodle to my brain's instruction.My brain told my hand to draw the vision inside my head, and it did to the best of its abilities (my drawing skill).My brain told the AI to draw the vision inside my head, and it did to the best of its abilities (my writing skill + the AI's technological / training level)
>>732764798>I told this team of scientists to develop the cure for cancer. Therefore I cured cancer because I thought about it
>>732764974if I gave them the critical secrets and instructions required to do it and they would've never done it without me, yes I did cure cancer.
>>732764002>and they both manage to create the same exact thingBuy they can't achieve the same results. That's the point.
>>732765046>the critical secret>1girl, anime, standing
>>732765193not all AI art is that slop shit. There is a range of quality and those who achieve the highest quality are rare because others don't know how to replicate their prompts or creativity
We’re going to see an era where cleanly designed SVG images will be replaced with artifact-covered AI slop and retards won’t see a problem with it because they’ll say, “Grok, blow this image up to 50,000 by 50,000 pixels” and they genuinely won’t see any problem with the output. Unironic Idiocracy with the letters in “St. God’s Hospital” falling off the side of the building.
>>732764683the AI is not the poster so nothe AI also doesn't actually think anything through, it just generates an probabilistic approximation >>732764798the AI is not "you" like your hand ishence why it's like commissioning art in my eyes, you are instructing an entity that is not you to do something for you, be it an artist or an AI
i too saw this on twitter
>>732761486>companies are pissing away trillions on AI>that means it's a success and everyone loves it right?
>>732765321is a film director not an artist because he's commissioning the actors / film crew to do the actual work in making his vision real? Because he picked a "best take" made by other entities out of his strict control, rather than made by a part of his own body?
>>732762795This made me laugh, thanks.
>>732765532Amateur work.
>>732765520>is a film director not an artistThat's right.
>>732761249>only tools and AI can draw perfect circle>humans can't do it Skill issue https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=professor+drawing+perfect+circle
>>732765965I disagree
>>732765982https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4sPCOMw2N8
The AI bubble bursting soon is the new THIS IS IT TRUMP IS FINISHED
>>732761249>unironically explainsas opposed to explaining it... ironically?
>>732766076that's not impossible
>>732764596my favorite character in all of video games is herself an AI who absorbed human emotions from her creator and became sentient. she is from a game series where one of the major plot points is that the physical world and the virtual internet have become a singularity and the concept of "reality" is meaningless. you can literally just download a car. I want to live in such a paradise.
>>732765982Those are soulless people
>>732761621true, it's also not going to create anything valuable
>>732765993By your definition, a film director is just some guy who supplies a preliminary script and then sits around waiting for the rest of the production to happen around him. That kind of a director is not an artist, he's a liability on the set.If, however, the director actually applies himself to the film-making process from start to finish, as directors actually tend to do, by adjusting the script to better fit the desired film, participating in storyboarding, coordinating the actors and the film crew, selecting for the best takes, involving himself in the post-processing work etc. then yes, he's an artist. He's actively involving his creative will and vision in the work, influencing its direction and outcome.It's a silly comparison either way because prompting doesn't differ from keyword searches on search engines. No one ever considered searches to be a creative process.
>>732763575Ironically the Claude threads are the biggest source of human made OC on modern /v/
>>732761249>I'm glad to see that the ai bubble is finally starting to burst.nothing ever happens
>>732762818Except technical stuff is the thing AI is made for, unlike art.Also, dear faggot retard, competent people build perfect building all the times. Not my fault you hire indians
But AI is still subpar compared to best human effort. Literally impossible to use AI to realize a specific aesthetic for a game with consistency. Unless you're happy with whatever the machine spits out fist, in which case you are likely retarded.
>>732766436AI is only good for shitpost and spreading disinfo.
>>732764607It's retarded though. What happens when the soulful artist is trained and can make a perfect circle? It's an excuse for low effort / skill shitters to claim their lack of skill and adaption is a virtue
>>732761486Microsoft is already pulling back after failing to secure a userbase for Copilot, despite the fact that they have essentially monopolised the consumer computer market and forced Copilot onto all Windows 11 machines.
>>732766524>What happens when the soulful artist is trained and can make a perfect circle?
>>732764798No it didn't and AI didn't generate anything close to what you had in mind because it's just a slot machine
>>732761249They say "soul is imperfections" and in the same breath that they say AI art will never be good because "it can't do fingers."
>>732763747>None of these are tangible, quantifiable, provable human qualities.they are tangible and provable, they aren't quantifiable in the same way you can't quantify love
>>732766434>he lives in a soulless commieblock or high-rise building instead of a sovl self made BVLGARIAN house and copes about it onlines m h
>>732766436>there are a handful of people who can produce something better than AI, but it takes them weeks rather than seconds
>>732765294>2girl, anime, kissing
>>732766619no. Because if it didn't make what I had in mind, then I wouldn't consider it acceptable nor would I share it. But I do, because it does. Whether the result was by random-generation / brute force or not, the result is the same: my vision reflected in digital artwork (as endorsed by myself)
>>732766617This is misleading, the images are out of orde and are arranged to suggest something that wasnt true. This is now used in studies of social contagion to analyze how bias works as people merely believe what they are presented and wont even look into it. Theyll just believe what confirms their own narratives.
>>732766680>AI-tard reading comprhensionAsk AI to explain anons' posts before answering next time please
>>732766858Do you not know who Picasso is nigger
>>732764607Games that are churned out are still made by people, they just didn't have any time to be creative or didn't have a desire to be (just shooting for lowest common denominator design that are flavorless and overdone). The human element is still evident, it's just seen as seen as forgettable rather than fake.Going to computer-generated work is a step below that. You can actually feel the absence of human touch.
>>732766635Neither you nor OP understand soul
I miss when ai was weird schizo images that were borderline unrecognizable, it could have been more respectable like magic eyeI think aibros have the problem that there's no tangible benefits to AI right now, we don't have more or better games than we have now, I got bored of generating images cause the problem is that you can always make new ones and it's so easy
>>732766858I-I thought we were just pretending to be retarded?No, but seriously. Any time shit like this comes up everyone usually just jokes about it. Is it really that bad?
>all this hype and still no good games made with aizzz
ai is awesome and I don't care that you can't afford a new PC
>>732766808Nope. You being satisfied by the result (probably one handpicked from hundreds botched results) because it conformed in broad strokes to your search engine prompt just means you have no standards.Literllay a slot machine player convinced that he's pulling the lever "in the right way"
>>732766341> He's actively involving his creative will and vision in the work, influencing its direction and outcome.prompting is an iterative process of trial and error where the prompter's involvement and their communication / writing / perception skills are utterly essential to the result. Most important is the prompter's taste in selecting which gen is the best. It elevates personal taste and creativity above physical skill. It mostly removes physical skill from the equation entirely; it's like the great equalizer and a boon for ideas guys everywhere.You put far too much agency on the AI, it is not an entity like a human is.Not to mention that works made with AI are to be much larger in scale than works made without.Now it's gradually going from:>I spent 3 weeks making this mid quality blender animation!to>I spent 3 weeks making this 60 minute AAA 3D movie!both took 3 weeks of a human artist's time and effort.
>>732767116I've sworn off consuming humanslop. I will only partake in and advocate soulful AI content from now on, and I expect my movement to only grow in the coming years.
>>732767269>You being satisfied by the result (probably one handpicked from hundreds botched results) because it conformed in broad strokes to your search engine prompt just means you have no standards.So what if you did it? What if a great artist did it? They are just guaranteed to have terrible standards / taste and pump out the same generic oil painting slop as everyone else?
>>732765462>>732766541microsoft's issue is in the implementation(all cloud based literally spyware type shit) on top of people not wanting windows 11 in the first place since it's a step back in every user oriented way from windows 10. Also they've already tried going down the "AI assistant" path a decade ago with Cortana, leading to an already incredibly poor reception to this sort of shit by users.if you think their going full retard money hungry and trying to monetize heavily on day 0 is indicative of the industry at large I've got a bridge to sell you.
>>732764440>There's so much of it, it has to be a coordinated spam campaignHm, almost like the people that spam blacked shit have something in common with the people who spam AIslop. I wonder what it could be?
>>732766808If you actually had it in mind then you'd be able to draw it beforehand
>>732767553so I can't have a creative vision of something that my hand is incapable of drawing (due to lack of physical skill, or disability)?
>>732765462>He likes podcasts, but instead of listening to them, he loads transcripts into the Copilot app on his iPhone so he can chat with the voice assistant about the content of an episode in the car on his commute to Redmond. At the office, he relies on Copilot to deliver summaries of messages he receives in Outlook and Teams and toggles among at least 10 custom agents from Copilot Studio. He views them as his AI chiefs of staff, delegating meeting prep, research and other tasks to the bots. “I’m an email typist,” Nadella jokes of his job, noting that Copilot is thankfully very good at triaging his messages.Why aren't people embracing everything Copilot can do for them?
China is gonna win the AI racehttps://x.com/MimikuWo/status/2021457735372636332https://x.com/seiiiiiiiiiiru/status/2021400181326086563https://x.com/LucasGageX/status/2021571723913560112
>>732765520in your analogy you aren't even a director, you are the disney suits pouring 10 trillion dollars into the movie and asking the actual artists (film crew) to make it more gay and retarded or whatever they want it to be like
>>732766341what if I use a sketch as the base input of image generation.what if I take an output image, redraw portions of it myself, then reiterate it to get it to follow what I actually want it to do.what if I actually train bespoke models on my own to get things to what I want them to look like aesthetically.what if AI is just used as another tool that has an added, different skill set requirement that you're too retarded to understand even exists because you have no real experience with or exposure to trying to use it as a tool.I'd agree that corposlop model output are all slop and isn't worth the electricity required to make it(which is incredibly miniscule, literal pennies or less), but AI can absolutely be used to facilitate the creation of "art" in your dumbass obtuse way of trying to define it(which is fundamentally incorrect but that's not the point)
>>732761486Who the fuck wants AI in everything? What kind of retard uses AI to look stuff up? Who are the people who desperately want video and art generation to improve?
>>732766998I do. He kept drawing realism his whole life. He just started making more of what sold. People loved that goofy shit so he made more of it later than earlier.>insert analogy for modern videogames where people say something is shit but it ends up selling more than everything elseWoW is the biggest money maker in videogames, Fifa keeps the lights on at EA and CoD is more active than any other shooter despite how much people complain about DLC.
>>732767896No. You are thinking of a producer. A director does lots of hands-on hard work making the movie real and it has their unique creative style imbued on it. Which is why we so often select movies it be excited for based on just their director.
>>732767618That is correct, if you can't visualize it well enough to draw it then you don't have a vision but rather the fallacy of one If you can only recognize it but not produce then it's not really a vision, since vision implies something you can see, you have the hint of a hunch and your brain is trying to grab onto something that resembles it and claim that's it, but the actual image never existed in your mind
>>732768005/v/'s argument seems to be AI prevents stupid humans with their own ideals shitting up games.
>>732768162yes, that's my pointyou are the producer not the director
>>732767068How do you know? I didn't say what I think soul is, same as you. I define soul as unquantifiable "you know it when you see it" flawed effort, with "honesty" as a core component. Something that fakes or manufactures soul is not soulful, even if it looks and smells the same, because it's inherently dishonest.I also masturbate to AI art constantly because pornography is disposable and whether it's soulful or not is irrelevant if the tits and ass are nice enough.
>>732768391You are the producer if you put extremely little effort into it, I guess. But then who'd ever want to see it? It's like a shitty doodle compared to the output of skilled creatives who really try with it.
>>732764974American goycattle unironically think like this and it's why billionaires exploit them so easily.
>>732768234So what happens if a fantastic painter loses his hand and can't paint anymore? Do those visions he has stop existing just because he can't paint them anymore?Physical ability and creative / artistic vision are not entangled. An aphantasiac who is technically a master at painting will never become a famous artist because his work is just not interesting nor creative; it doesn't grab people.Some art styles look like shit technically yet are considered very deep artistically.
>>732764974Honestly I would gladly take the role of a producer and financier for games I want to see created. If I had the capital to produce a video game I've always wanted to see I'm more than happy to name individuals who have the necessary talents to defer the individual duties to. My ability to convey what I want to see happen can happen through discourse and collective planning to make the best possible product.
>>732768648>So what happens if a fantastic painter loses his hand and can't paint anymore?Are you saying all AI users are quadruple amputees without teeth?
>>732761249This it's so retarded and i don't even like AI
>>732768818alright. So what happens if a fantastic painter has [some disabling accident] and can't paint anymore?He's still the same creative mind, with or without his physical skill, and he can approve or disapprove of generated approximated images of his vision. If he approves, then it matches his vision. Otherwise, what, is he lying? Who's to argue against him that it doesn't match, and with what evidence?None of you guys ever consider the possibility of an already-great artist using AI to make art. Like the artist's hands will start burning like a vampire in sunlight if he tries to type a prompt. It's always just pretending jeets and jeets alone are using it
>>732767991>what if I use a sketch as the base input of image generation.Then you've created a sketch. The model did the rest.>what if I take an output image, redraw portions of it myself, then reiterate it to get it to follow what I actually want it to do.Then you've redrawn portions of AI slop. The model did the rest.>what if I actually train bespoke models on my own to get things to what I want them to look like aesthetically.Go wild, but you know full well that you're not going to have the kind of control over an LVM where it outputs your exact vision. You'll always be settling for the least bad.>different skill set requirementKeyword searches with weights and repainting portions of a gen don't take any meaningful skill or creativity whatsoever.>you have no real experience with or exposure to trying to use it as a toolNano Banana, Grok etc. are all right there for anyone to use free. It's not hard. Neither is it all that hard to get a 7GB distill of DeepSeek R7 to run on your Rasp Pi, and having it redirect to a local Moondream instance for photo prompts.>corposlop model output are all slopCorpo models are by far the most advanced of these models.>in your dumbass obtuse way of trying to define itWasn't my definition, the other guy was likening prompting to directing a film. Your shitfit did nothing to actually address that comparison and my rebuttal of it.
>>732767636>shit directly lifted from other movies>clashing art style>still has to cut every couple of seconds>still weird ass inconsistenciestrillions invested and it still makes slop
>>732769272The thing is that a fantastic painter will have proof of being able to convert his visions to canvas before that accident, and will also likely have standards high enough to care about his work to not let AI slop fill it in unless he's a sellout whore AI sloppers DON'T have proof of ever being able to convert their visions to canvas and can only rely on hypotheticals like "but what if I lost all my arms and legs and teeth then I would NEED AI to draw for me"
>>732769413>AI sloppers DON'T have proof of ever being able to convert their visions to canvasWhy does that even matter though, to the viewer?You have to provide info that it was made that way as extra context. Your opinion of the art should not come from supplied context someone had to tell you; it should come from the raw imagery and your reaction to it.
>>732769538>"does this house have asbestos lining?">"what does that even matter though????">Your opinion of the art should not come from supplied context someone had to tell you; it should come from the raw imagery and your reaction to it.Nope, the Bayeux Tapestry is kinda ass artistically, it's the context that makes it meaningful
>>732763741This talking point is all well and good.Though, I wonder what you say when the model is trained on a character the prompter themself designed and drew and fed to the machine to use.Enlighten me
>>732761249What? I literally saw today on the news that the US is investing 25% of its military budget on AI. It's not bursting at all.The only thing that's actually happening is that OpenAI is losing marketshare to even Claude.
>>732769652horrible analogy. Might be more appropriate if we're talking about some paint or canvas material that kills you.>the Bayeux Tapestryit is not considered some artistic masterpiece either, everyone knows it looks like shit compared to Da Vinci etc. It's notable for its history, not for the emotions / responses it evokes in art viewers
>>732762704why would you have to go back? its already open source. the "bubble" maymay is morons who don't understand the venture capital arms race is about training prohibitively large models fast, which has diminishing returns, but they desperately need to just flood out the diminishing returns to keep ahead of open source models.
>>732769881>>horrible analogy. Might be more appropriate if we're talking about some paint or canvas material that kills you.Slop kills your soul >it is not considered some artistic masterpiece eitherIt's one of the most important pieces of art in European history >everyone knows it looks like shit compared to Da Vinci etc. It's notable for its history, not for the emotions / responses it evokes in art viewersLots of people today can paint like Da Vinci, his art is also important due to the context, Mona Lisa itself only became super notable after it was stolen
>>732769293So, to reiterate>>732766341>If, however, the director actually applies himself to the film-making process from start to finish, as directors actually tend to do, by adjusting the script to better fit the desired film, participating in storyboarding, coordinating the actors and the film crew, selecting for the best takes, involving himself in the post-processing work etc. then yes, he's an artist. He's actively involving his creative will and vision in the work, influencing its direction and outcome.Makes a director an artist.But;Supplying a sketchRedrawing outputsTraining unique models And guiding it to look exactly how you want the end result to lookdoes not count as doing anything remotely similar to what the director was described as doing?>Corpo models are by far the most advanced of these models.Corpo models are context/vision models. They're capable of image manipulation and some amount of composition but they have very little artistic or aesthetic deviation and generally looks and feels like corposlop because that's exactly what it was trained to do.>Neither is it all that hard to get a 7GB distill of DeepSeek R7 to run on your Rasp Pi, and having it redirect to a local Moondream instance for photo prompts.what kind of retarded bullshit have you even been reading to think that's remotely the "correct way" to generate shit locally? Literally who even does that shit?It's almost like you have zero experience working with digital media and are talking out of your ass from some weird discord-tier playbook.
What is with you losers who have nothing else with life? There's always someone in a thread bitching about this. Nobody cares about OC, your chan culture or whatever arbitrary terms you come up with. Go offline and touch grass let it go its not going to be how you want it to be.
>>732764362>Slop kills your soulYou say this with such certainty.But, haven't you never touched it?
>>732770127What's with you people who don't care about OC?Seems to me that you have the problem.
>>732762795why did they do that? someone might have died
>>732766023https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXqt-10pWpw&pp=ygUPYXBoZXggdHdpbiBtZW1l
>>732769349>trillions invested and it still makes sloplol.. no
lol youre still seething about AI, bro got no job or hobbies
>>732770014art being "important" is not synonymous with having more artistic merit. Maybe for snooty art collector circles who care more about historic context than anything, but not genuinely. If something can't be conveyed through just the art itself, it is technically irrelevant.
>>732769681you made the character and the drawings you used as training data but not the AI images generated, the AI made those>>732770209i didn't say this and i did use AI image gen a bunch of timesagain, i don't have an issue with AI it's just not the same as actual OCto me it's kind of like people who dump porn or whatever made by other artists in a thread, like it's okay but it's not the same as making OC
>>732770696Things that aren't art can inspire feelings, like breathtaking nature, that doesn't make them art
>>732768427>>732766635I wanna FUCK Mona.I wanna make love to Varesa.
>>732770057>does not count as doing anything remotely similar to what the director was described as doing?Correct. As much preliminary work as you're doing, you're not directing shit. Each gen is in itself a complete "movie", which you then deem unsatisfactory, red marker some shit and have the film making process be run through again and again, hoping it randomly turns out better, until something acceptable lands on your desk. A director is an integral part of the pipeline, making the most of his one and only chance; what you're describing is a company exec setting up the pipeline.>what kind of retarded bullshit have you even been reading to think that's remotely the "correct way" to generate shit locally? Literally who even does that shit?When creating generalized local agents, it's valid. I don't give a fuck about your stable diffusion slop. There's better uses for LLMs.
>>732770767>you made the character and the drawings you used as training data but not the AI images generated, the AI made thoseOkay, but you're only mentioning fact.You left out any opinion, any detail worth hearing.We were talking about it's ability to exist without our involvement as individual people.
>>732770795Fun fact: a religious person would counter that nature IS art and God is the artist.
>>732770795Photography is widely considered an art form, so I disagree. It's just reality captured in a creative way by a human.Ron Fricke didn't make this mountain, he just filmed it in a certain way, yet I consider him an artist and that imagery to be his art
>>732770886so you have zero experience working with anything to do with local image generation and are talking entirely out of your ass based on your fee-fees.got it.
>>732761249the soulless soul has only begun
>>732770984It's considered weak art, like taking a photo of a sunset on your phone, only nature photographs that take great human effort and perceptiveness are considered actually notable art
>>732761249>>732761313>>732763029>>732764002>>732762125Notice how no two people can agree on the same definition? If you ever needed more evidence of "soulless" being a buzzword, look no further. If nobody can tell you what it actually means, it means nothing. What is a soulless?
>>732771440What is life? What is money?
>>732771141Yet I can throw keywords into Grok and get 99% of the quality your best efforts can achieve on your painstakingly trained local model. There is no skill component worth mentioning when it comes to slop gens, and our gens would be equal in terms of creativity either way. Fee-fees ultimately do matter when it comes to actual art.
>>732761348I cannot draw, I cannot produce, and my creative spark has been dead since I was given anti-psychotics (for OCD) back when I was a teenager. Is there any hope for me?
>>732771440>What is a soulless?There are two categories: calculated flawlessness and dishonest flaws.>>732771506>lifeLiveliness is motion and change. Antithetical to void, stagnation, death, emptiness.>moneyA system of exchange to facilitate trade of unequal assets/efforts.>loveBaby don't hurt me.
>>732770941what else do you want me to say?it doesn't matter if the character which you generated images of is some media character or one you made on your own, that output was not made by youthe character was drawn at some point by someone but that doesn't changes that the AI gens weren't made by you, even if you made the character and some of the images it takes as trainingagain going back to the comissioner example, you didn't make the art you comissioned if you gave refs of your OC to the artist that he used for the drawing
>>732771506>ask 100 people what money means>everyone gives the same definition>ask 100 people what soulless means>they all fight over what it actually means, no consensus whatsoever
>>732771813>>Liveliness is motion and change. Antithetical to void, stagnation, death, emptiness.Wrong>>A system of exchange to facilitate trade of unequal assets/efforts.WrongI guess your life and money are now void
>>732771545I mostly make porn but sure thing bro. Enjoy that corposlop look and all those censored outputs.
>>732771830I sense absolutely no conviction in your response.What a waste.
>>732771813>here's what it means ok>gives a definition that is completely different from every other one in the thread
>>732771849Actually whatever your definition is, I disagree with it, which means the definition is meaningless, money means nothing, and I will be taking all of yours right now
>>732771898well, you never said i was wrong, because i am factually correct by your own admissionyou are just skirting around it and trying to act smug about it because you are a bitch
>>732771545>Yet I can throw keywords into Grok and get 99% of the quality your best efforts can achieve on your painstakingly trained local modelI can just use grok too and make a much cooler result because my taste and selectiveness is god tier and yours is SHIT, and that's what it really comes down to with AI art. The only technical / physical "skill" thing that matters is your ability to communicate your vision to a machine. It won't always be through text, but for now, writing matters.The barrier to entry for technical quality gets so low, and you get 1000x more human artists competing for your attention with content that used to be prohibitively expensive or require unique physical skills to make. And that's cool, for the viewer. nta
>>732771875If your argument is that words can cease to have meaning the moment the other side of a discussion rejects then, then you are correct. The solution to that situation is violence, and the survivor of that violence (because one of us would have to die; I don't make the rules, I just relay them) would be the arbiter of the new definition. If you're challenging me to a duel, I accept.>>732771910If you want a correct answer, ask the person who HAS the correct answer.
>>732771875>>732771947>look up definition of money and life>ohh thats cool>look up definition of soulless>it definitionally doesn't apply to 99% of games people apply it toIf this is what soulless means, then by definition any game that doesn't use AI generative assets or work cannot be considered soulless. If human beings created it, it has soul. And if you try claiming that humans didn't create it because they needed computers to program it, then fine, but that also means by definition no video game can ever be considered soulful, even games from the 80s and 90s. The only games that can be considered soulful are board games, but even then those are still mass produced using machinery.
>>732772283>>>it definitionally doesn't apply to 99% of games people apply it toIt literally does though, you might be an NPC
>>732772108You've failed me.
>>732761249>first take of drawing a circle, call it a day>use the "perfect circle" that always looks the same no matter who makes itboth, shitI can draw a way better circle
>>732765102nuh-uh, kindly follow my shit hypothetical or I rape you bloody benchod sir
>>732772362If a human beings created it, it has soul. Sorry but I don't make the rules
>>732772432Not really
>>732772507So you concede that it's just a buzzword that changes definition depending on who you ask? Okay.
>If I dance in the freezing cold, just to be beaten up by police and giving me a criminal record AI will disappear in two weeks.
>>732772432It doesn't mean that, but it will largely be redefined (if it ever was defined) to mean this in the future, as AI art becomes more pervasive absolutely everywhere and manually human-made content becomes an expensive niche
>>732772623>(if it ever was defined)it never was
>>732771413This, I do a lot of amateur wildlife photography but ive never argued that my shit is any good or deserves to be called art.also if the critters not there there's no fucking photo
Everyone always focuses on the artistic merit or lack thereof of AI, but I think the most important question is, "How the hell are these companies gonna make it profitable?"Right now it feels like they're burning money with no thought of how they're going to get returns on those investments.
>>732761486>trillions of investments>data centers built as we speak>ai integrated into pretty much anything from whatsapp to your browserwow and how much money has that made>S-SHUT UP
>>732772674they are taking a loss just to gain market share at the most incredibly important pivotal transition period where everyone is still confused.In the future they will be like "damn I wish we had done that back in 2026!"
>>732772674they think that eventually they'll be the "early bird" and make a chatgptillion dollars some time in the future because everyone is totally going ro use AI and it's going to be like being the first person to make smart phones
I triedshow me yoursfirst attempts only
>>732761313That's half of what the image is saying you midwit
>>732761486AGI is not happening btw not even the people who advocating AI talk about it, instead they made up a new term loosely related to AGI but not really that they can own(tm)
>>732773000nice trips
>>732771440Every single time someone makes a thread with the word soulless in the OP the thread inevitably devolves into three hours of people arguing over what it does and doesn't mean, and each thread that goes by the "consensus" definition, if it ever is even reached, shifts one way or another. I remember in 2018 when the """consensus""" definition that was applied at the time (to Cyberpunk, 2077, for example) was that it literally just mean a game that tried to be realistic. But there isn't one single mention of that word in this thread. It is the biggest buzzword ever used, literally the vidya equivalent of "What is a woman?" kek
why would anyone want a circle not be a perfect circle?
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>>732772803I understand the idea of gain marketshare now, think about profits later. I just don't understand how they plan to achieve that second part. With businesses like Uber or Air B&B, the margins were close enough that just raising prices after they cornered the market was enough. But how much would AI companies have to start charging per month or even per prompt to cover the cost of their users in the future?AI can do some neat things, but how much will people really pay for it? This feels like it'll be "The Metaverse" all over again.
>>732761249If imperfection meant soulful why does every single classic car that is universally considered more soulful than cars that are made today have perfect symmetry? Perfectly symmetrical headlights, doors, curves, fenders, bumpers, etc. Do you retards think the GT350 was just handmade by some guy in his garage hammering together piece of aluminum sheet metal?
>>732763168Funny thing is that people can make their own AIs so its literally impossible for AI to die out completely.
>>732771440Soul is passion.Soulless is a lack of passion.All other definitions are redundant or wrong. They skirt around the key word yet never actually say it for some reason, when it is so simple. Passion.
>>732773519drawing a wonky circle is a passion?
>>732773519Explain Soul Hackers 2.Was it Soul or Soulless?
>>732773519I think you’re right anon. Im inclined to agree
>>732773121computer detected
>>732771440>made this reply half an hour ago claiming every single definition, thus meaning the word means nothing (ie, a buzzword)>three replies>look inside>all different definitions
>>732773572Are you aware taking everything literally is a sign of autism?
>>732773295>classic cardogshit opinion by boomer retards. The car design of the last 10 years is much better than the last 20 years before it.Even the 80s only had one design
>>732772931Ironic how Apple is the one tech company not going all-in on AI. Probably because they know the power of "new things should have obvious use cases and be able to be produced at a profit." Shit like the iPhone slotted into people's lives super easily and the business models were direct. "$X for a phone, which is more than $Y required to produce it." The fact that AI prophets cannot give a clear answer to the question of "how does this make money for the companies that produce the AI?" should be a MAJOR red flag.
>>732773121You should watch Perfect Blue
>>732763575shame this outfit isn't a mod
>>732766436ai can make better robots than artists can
>>732773927>The fact that AI prophets cannot give a clear answer to the question of "how does this make money for the companies that produce the AI?" should be a MAJOR red flag.The fact you're asking such a fucking retarded question speaks volumes of how mentally ill lefties are. How do you get this stupid?
>>732763896>shitload of AI-genned and handrawn fan artI was honestly baffled when I saw it for the first time
>>732773927Apple needs a new reason to shill their new phone in the future, give them time.
>>732761249>A decently dumbed down explanation so that any retard can understand >AI sloppers still don´t get itNo wonder they are desperate for the AI crutch, the retards probably can´t even breath if are not constantly and consciously thinking on inhaling and exhaling...
>>732773927They did go all in on AI, they just had fuck all to show for it and people paid $1000+ for "AI-integrated phones" A YEAR ago that still don't have the promised AI features
>>732768234If that's the case, that implies that artistic skill and artistic vision are directly linked; either meaning you can improve artistic vision (which makes zero sense), or artistic skill is static and unchanging (which would mean improving at art is impossible)
>>732770696yo it's that clip they used in an alpha centauri secret project fmv
>>732774794>either meaning you can improve artistic vision (which makes zero sense)I'm sure it makes zero sense to ngmis, but I've experienced it first hand and so did many other artists
>>732761249
Why do Indians hate human expression?
According to /v/ the goal of Ai is to make a small group of artists on Twitter upset.
>>732764798Wrong. I made it. It's mine.
>>732762125At that point why not use the circle you already drew
>>732761348Thanks mossad for psyoping woshit into the zoomers. Hated that shit at first but now I see they do reserve this hell, no affordable housing either.
>>732761249That picture is retarded. SOUL is the result of visible effort and making things work, often in spite of some difficulty. It isn't "wow that looks very flawed."
>Watched /v/ swing from sucking AI dick when artists were getting fucked by AI bros to now hating it since their PC components spiked and is making their vidya shit and full of jeets loving every laugh, you were warned. Niggers.
>>732772402This circle has the most SOVL in the threadt.certified Aryan VRIL FVELLED chad
>>732776007Agreed. If we just accepted trannies and blacks, none of this would had happen.
>>732776248Those two are shit for a different reason you disingenuous faggot
>>732773249they can just raise subscription prices once they've got everyone hooked. Once an AI service becomes part of your workflow in making your living, they've got you by the balls and the only thing keeping them from fucking you over is not wanting to lose you as a customer to some competitor
>>732763218We haven't had OC since what GG? This place became reddit and steals shit from twitter now
>>732761486I see someone has AI investmentsOpenAI is very openly pissing money away in the hopes of becoming the Google of AI. By then they just hope the government will keep them afloat. It's a bubble and the pop will be nasty
>>732763218>i really hate how dead OC is on this site AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
>>732776497completely brushing off the OC that is still being made as unimportant or "bad" doesn't helpsthere is still OC just way less than there used to beit was and still is a slow but steady decline
>>732776007nah I still don't care kek, keep seething faggot.
>>732776597>NOOOOOOOOOOO I HAVE TO PLAY WITH MY SOIJAK DOLLS!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S OC IT'S OC WE'RE JUST LIKE OLDFAGS DUDE
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>>732766541Because everyone who actually does code use other coding agents like Kilo code and other better models like claude insteadRetards here still think openai is the ultimate AI boogeyman when anyone who uses AI on daily basic already abandoned chatgpt and use gemini/claude instead
>>732776626AI OC is less than nothing 'jak edits are normalfag shit that reverberates back here. The last big thing 4chan did with OC was the TLOU edits.
>>732777158>AI OC is less than nothingaccording to (You) and your feefees
>>732776690>>732777214
>>732761348
>>732761249The imperfections you hold so dear is actually really easy to replicate using AI, it's just that none of the AI models from public companies bother doing that kind of stuffs
>>732777247is this the part where I'm supposed to go "so true, xister"?The tribalist indian vs tranny shitflinging is ultra retarded and not based in reality
>>732777158i'm not talking about AI or wojak shitdrawfags sometimes do content in threads randomly, or there's sets of threads where content creation congregates for whatever reason like queen of /v/ or claude threads, or threads that are all about making some content like STP clones and shop threadsit's all small things nowadays, a lot of it gets the boot by moderation too
>>732764002You’re retarded. “If two people build the Empire State Building but one does it blindfolded and tooless, how is it better to use eyes and tools when building?”I can also make a retarded not real hypothetical.
>>732761348There is a reason why pepe became popular outside of 4chan while wojak forever stuck hereIt's boring and uncreative
>>732777458>if you don't like jeets you're a trannyBold strategy, Rakeesh
>>732764002if you think that hypothetical is stupid you are unironically a soulless insectactually, insects are way too good to be compared to you, you are like a soulless indian
>>732777831I'm talking about in the context of AI, numbnutsPro AI = jeetAnti AI = tranny
>>732761249>it's perfectthere is nothing perfect about the works of AI or modern AAA
>>732777882nta but I hope you hold the same sentiment when a company that supports tranny makes a game you like, instead of using the 'separate the art from the artist' excuse
Behold, an AGI!
>>732762125Artfags can't.
>>732778372jealous, drawlet?
>>732777247dumb bot
>>732778180that literally has nothing to do with the conversation
>>732776007it's a vocal minorityeveryone else is too busy gooning
>>732777541>wojak forever stuck heresoijaks have been leaking to Facebook for a while now
>>732761486>ai integrated into pretty much anything from whatsapp to your browserYeah they keep forcing it into shit you already use to try to get you hooked and create a dependency so they can switch it to a paid service except their product sucks and I don't use it and I won't miss it when it's gone. It's basically trying to sprinkle crack into breakfast cereal except instead of crack it's sawdust.
>>732783047>and I don't use it and I won't miss it when it's gonethey don't care about you anyway, they want the big spenders
>>732761486wow, almost sounds exactly like the .com bubble when you put it like that
>>732761486>if we keep throwing money into the pit it'll turn into a god somehow
>>732784037The internet is everywhere now, even if lots of companies from back then aren't around anymore.
>>732761249grotesque enormously obese dark-skinned Indian man (dark-skinned Indian adult man:2.0), (extremely fat disgusting repulsive body:1.9), (morbidly obese middle-aged adult:1.9), (massive towering scale:1.8), (pathetic worthless loser:1.6), (complete failure at life:1.6), (delusional self-important nobody:1.6), (virgin incel forever alone:1.6), (lives in mom's basement unemployed NEET parasite:1.6), (obsessed with deleting posts because it's the only control he has:1.6), (smells like curry and despair:1.5), (lifelong volunteer janitor with no real power:1.5), moderately hairy body with noticeable dark hair on arms back chest and shoulders (moderately hairy disgusting:1.4), greasy unkempt filthy pink and blue dyed hair (greasy pink and blue hair:2.0), balding crown with greasy patches, acne-scarred sweaty skin, basedjak masculine ugly repulsive face (extremely ugly masculine basedface:1.9), (disgusting adult male features:1.9), (face twisted in impotent rage because no one respects him:1.5), brown eyes (brown eyes:1.8), bulging brown eyes (bulging brown eyes:1.7), dark brown eyes locked on screen (dark brown eyes:1.6), intently staring at laptop screen eyes locked on display focused rage at screen, hairy arms and back, wearing stained oversized t-shirt "#1 Janitor" soaked in sweat, massively more sweaty glistening dripping sweat everywhere (dripping sweat profusely:1.9), food crumbs and stains everywhere, hunched over crusty old CowPad brand laptop with large angry poop emoji logo on the lid rapidly deleting Pragmata thread, monitor covered in greasy fingerprints and dried cum stains (disgusting hygiene failure:1.5), background tabs open to /r9k/ and tranny porn (degenerate coomer:1.5), dark dingy room littered with curry boxes and cow posters, walls covered in crusty anime posters and "no girls allowed" signs (eternal virgin lair:1.5), floor littered with empty Mountain Dew cans and used tissues (peak degeneracy:1.5), Indian flag on grimy wall, several cows
