What are some more games with great stories but such terrible combat it ruins the game?
>>732765706 (me)pic not related, I just needed something to bait for replies
>>732765815Identity theft is not a joke
>>732765706>Great storyThe first two acts are a generic save the world story. The last act is a failed allegory for escapism. Hardly a great story.
Posting in a contrarian thread. Do I get brownie points?>>732766623 Hey, did you get yours?
>>732765706The story is also bad
>>732766623>The last act is a failed allegory for escapismExcept it isn't, Bashar.
>>732765706I had to turn this game off 2 hours in because there was literally no explanation of wtf was happening, just random shit and people saying merde and putain a lot.If I had to wager a guess, it's probably just like those le epic twist anime shows where the story is told out of order and you have to constantly guess what's happening. Hate this plot device.
>>732765706The story is terrible too
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>>732765706For most people i'd say Elex is an example of this.However, I really like the janky signature PB combat. Some of the writing though is suspect.(Elex 2 had even worse writing, fwiw)
>>732767556i made her run around in the two piece swimsuit the entire game. same with lune actually (for different reasons. Lune got kind of lippy early on -- so it was punishment. Ssciel's ass is a work of art though)
>>732765706>terrible combatTo me Souls-like have terrible combat, especially compared to CAG. So, did you consider that "terrible combat" can be subjective...?Also I loath anti-turn based people. They never have any argument beside "it's boring lol".
>>732767556Her name is pronounced "see-ale". Your "see-ale of approval" meme is stupid because it's based on an inability to speak correctly.
>>732765706>I can't parrylol
>great storiesThe story takes a nosedive the moment it becomes about family drama of some demiurges and all concept of expedition, exploration and learning about a new interesting post-apo world is completely gone. Suddenly the overworld map feels boring, empty and claustrophobic and not interesting at all.Verso is also a horribly written character for forced drama.
>>732765706>AI garbage tier story>great storylmao LOLL XD! SEGA
E33 is the closest I got to JRPG slop and it left me mentally scarred...no way niggers actually enjoy this kind of genre
>>732765706Low effort masonic slop
>>732768891Verso is a piece of shit
>>732765706lol for me it's the opposite. i loved the gameplay and literally 100%'d it, but thought the story was mediocre to poorwhat it does have is brilliantly presented through cinematic direction, shot composition, an excellent score and good voice acting that does 90% of the heavy emotional liftingthe story itself does nothing but raise mysteries and leaves characters undeveloped for 90% of the game and decides to answer most things at the end
>>732765706I'm White.
>>732765706Expedition 33's story is third world TV drama tier. It only impresses redditors because the characters swear and have sex in a video game. (omg so realistic)>b-but people argue about the ending so that means it's goodNigger, people are still arguing about subplots in Skyrim after 15 years. Go suck off Emil Papagloroolo if that's your standard.
>>732768576Be silent.
>>732770362Don't you mean be scielent
>>732765706I am near the end of act 2 I think and i don't see what is so good about the story. The interactions between characters is so generic and cheesy french movie stuff, stuff like Verso deciding to cut himself in half as a parlor trick since he can heal himself, despite it causing him immense pain, in order to make the rest of the party laugh, came off as so bizarre and forced. The French folktale aesthetic is cool, the combat is fun and the music is good, but I expected it to be amazing, it just has good presentation.
>>732766623The last act is a successful allegory for escapism. Hardly a great story.>>732766725
>>732766725Except that it is. Lumiere is a real place, so the escapism allegory didn't work.Imagine being impressed by a bit of sad violin music and melodrama You fags are shallow as fuck
>>732770936Nah. See>>732770947It's a shit story.
>>732768501Wtf is CAG? Turn based with timed button presses is the worst of both worlds. At least regular rpgs are relaxibg to play
>>732769037How is it masonic? I went into it expecting it to be some weird occult satanic shit like many jrpgs but it wasnt
>>732771015Lumiere is as real as the matrix in the matrix
>>732771368Nah, you can literally live there for extended periods of time, and the people in it are sentient beings.
>>732771368The matrix was a computer simulation, Lumiere is a magical realm. That's not really the same.
>>732771368The Matrix might as well be real because the other people in there are real people, the only thing that matters in terms of whether it is "real" is whether the experience feels real and whether the people you can spend time with are real people affected by your presence, if the people in Lumiere are real people who you can help get through their lives and feel love for each other then it doesn't matter if it's real or not, if they are just basically code, then you are just living in a dream on your own.
>>732770936>>732770947You didn't understand the story, Bashar. It wasn't about escapism and never will be.
>>732771903The last act was clearly about escapism, coping faggot. The mother was using the painting to escape from / cope with verso's death. Maelle was also using it for that, plus to escape from her shitty life That's the whole reason we had to fight the father. He thought that escapism is bad.
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>>732772253It is not Bashar.The message of the game is not escapism. I know you niggers can't read between the lines because you have no schools in your shithole but it's not too complicated.
>>732765706why not post a game with a great story?
>>732765815 (me)Sometimes when other people fart I pretend it was me and then I giggle.
>>732772523persona 5, metaphor, xenoblade 3
>>732772482>No argument>Just childish name-callingFitting that e33 fags are immature retards. They hype up an immature game with no grounding in reality.
>>732765706I like the themes and story in Death Stranding (although the narrative is bloated to fuck) but the game is absolutely garbage
>>732766804Once I mastered the parry system I lost all interest in the game 2bh, the story certainly wasn't gripping me and I was struggling to understand the hype it had generated
>>732772878thanks
>>732765706E33 is a mediocre story trapped inside of a mediocre game, but the sheeple got told it's the greatest game of all time and so now that's what they believe because the shills and the bots told them that.
>>732773028not reading all that. post E33 playtime, darkie.
>>732771714>>732771368Plus, you can't put your soul into the matrix. A fragment of verso's soul was in the painting. So clearly this is more real than a simulation.You can also live for a very extended period of time in the painting. The paintress was there for over a hundred years, and the game never clarified why this is possible, or even what the consequences of staying too long are.It's just an underdeveloped and poorly handled allegory
it's a game made for boomers so fucking boringthe story doesn't explain shit and it drops you into a world you're supposed to know everything i lost interest after the prologue because i don't want to go look up some wiki to understand a game with millenial writing
>>732766804>I had to turn this game off 2 hours in because there was literally no explanation of wtf was happeninghow absolutely brainfried or melanated does an individual have to be to have this little grasp of context? was the jewtuber you were watching on 2x speed on your second monitor too distracting? fucking faggot
>>732766804>>732773190samenigger because even on this jeet infested board there's no way TWO anons are this fucking stupid
>>732772482The message is all about not relying on coping mechanisms to avoid the grieving process. Aline nearly kills herself in denial, Clea withdraws in anger, Maelle tries to bargain, pVerso languishes in depression and Renoir is the only one who'd reached acceptance, but is trying to force everybody else through their stages of grief before they're ready.They're all acting retarded rather than just talking it out, but that's what grief does to people.
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>>732773115See what I mean? The sheeple were told it's the greatest game ever, so now if you call it the 7/10 that it actually is, they get upset. I pirated it and I don't have it downloaded anymore. Playtime was like 80 hours, but I left it AFK sometimes. I did literally everything you can do in a playthrough, but I never did multiple playthroughs and didn't get the baguette weapons. Plus, I'm white. Deal with it. https://files.catbox.moe/y2v3ud.sav
>>732766804In media res stories are the best stories, filtered>>732768501Not OP but I will say the balance is so awful that the devs had to add an optional damage cap and enemy health multiplier after even casuals were complaining about missing dialogue due to one-shotting the final boss. I also think it's a game that's more fun the worse you are at dodging. If you can't reliably dodge enemy attacks you might have to strategize and feel danger. If you can, every new fight is you dying a few times until you get used to the dodge timing, then you'll never take damage from that enemy ever again and you can do glass cannon builds with no fear.
>>732771120Character action game, it's what boomers call juggleslop to seem sophisticated
>>732772878Fucking this
>>732772878lmao
>>732771714Cope.>>732771743The only real people in the painting is the whole family. The only one you actually kill with Versos ending is the remnants of Versos soul, who actually wants to die and move on. You're also saving Alicia as a whole not just a fragment of her soul stuck in a painting who wants to finally die. Also, Verso wants to save Alicia, even if he dies himself, just like he did in real life, he wants to do in the painting as well.>if they are just basically codeThat's basically what they are.>>732771903Escapism was a one of the themes, but the main themes were loss, and family.>>732772482cope
>>732773028no i went into it very critical and iddnt expect to like it. and i didnt like the gameplay because i hate turn based in combination with active button presses, its like the worst of both worlds. but the story was really really good.>>732773135>The paintress was there for over a hundred years, and the game never clarified why this is possible, or even what the consequences of staying too long are.obviously time dilation, the time moves much faster in the painting even if the particiapants dont notice or experience it>or even what the consequences of staying too long are.it literally does, the consequence is you die in real life. just like an addict who spends 100 hours on WOW without a break and then falls over and dies. which is what aline almost did, renoir is trying to sotp her from dying in doing this. that is literally the premise of the game. and if you pick the maelle ending this is what she ends up doing, she stays in the painting until she literally dies form exhaustion IRL
>>732774964>Escapism was a one of the themes, but the main themes were loss, and family.The main theme is the legacy of art and perception of others on your art when you're gone. All this game narratives resolve around Verso's soul, and all characters in the game try to appropriate it for themselves. Making his art their own.
>>732773265Yeah but the coping mechanism in question is presented as escapism. Also, the whole reason they can't stop using the cope is because they are still stuck on grief. Not because they are avoiding grief. Escapism is still a theme present in the game.Also the game doesn't really take a negative stance on this either because once again, the people in Lumiere are real. And the ending where maelle moves on shows their death. The game's insistence on melodrama is why the endings feel like an artificial dichotomy, and why the game doesn't seem to take a stance on its themes.
>>732774964Nah retard, the people in the painting are real. The game presents them as real, thinking people. Its never implied that they are fake. If you can literally put your soul inside these paintings then they are not just simulations, they are a separate realm. And what does the game have to say about loss anyways? That it makes people grieve and cope? That's nothing profound.
I heard this game is like that oblivion quest where you go through a painting except worse
>>732775643It's like Mario 64 but with shitty platforming
>>732775563>If you can literally put your soul inside these paintings then they are not just simulations, they are a separate realm.The only ensouled beings in the painting is the Desandres family. Everyone else is an NPC. The original painter, Verso, literally wants to just be allowed to stop painting and die.
I'm glad I understood the deeper meaning of the story and chose the Maelle ending.Unlike low IQ brainlets who were tricked into picking the other ending by a last minute deception. Those of you out there who picked the Verso ending, I genuinely feel bad for you.
>>732775016>obviously time dilationThat's your headcanon>the consequence is you die in real life.After hundreds of years, sure. And if you can truly stay in the painting for years without any consequences, then it's actually very useful. Plus the people in it are presented as real. So the game really does not have any grounding in reality, which is why it doesn't even take any particular stance. Both the painting continuing to exist and being destroyed are presented as bad in some way. The story does not have any grounding in reality.
>>732775810>The original painter, Verso, literally wants to just be allowed to stop painting and die.Yes, because he's stuck there in a separate area. That doesn't mean that the people are NPCs.The people being NPCs is your headcanon. That is never stated in the game.
>>732775841>That's your headcanonThe only alternative explanation is that the Desandre family are like vampires and live for hundreds of years>After hundreds of years, sure.Maellse literally says she intends to do this and in her ending she is beginning to suffer, with the effect over her eyes>Plus the people in it are presented as real. So the game really does not have any grounding in reality, which is why it doesn't even take any particular stance.dont care. thats an after-construction. the characters in the painting are not any more real than mickey mouse>Both the painting continuing to exist and being destroyed are presented as bad in some way.versos ending is not presented as bad, unless youre deluded to think that the mickey mouse kingdom painting not existing anymore is genocide
>>732775947>Yes, because he's stuck there in a separate area. That doesn't mean that the people are NPCs.He's not stuck there, you literally talk to him on multiple occasions over the game>The people being NPCs is your headcanon.not really>That is never stated in the game.the game takes place in the 1800s, they would never use such words. the game says aline and renoir have created multiple painted worlds, do you think they both have comitted genocide once they stopped living in those worlds and stopped painting them? Mayb some paintings were lost in the fire, was that also genocide?
>>732775841>Plus the people in it are presented as realNo the're not. The game doesn't present them as real or not real.
>>732776385lmao
>>732776468The young boy is verso, he's the only real onealso>NPCs say they're realdo you also believe GPT when it says it's a real intelligence?Also you took it out of context>“Boy: Painted or not, she had feelings and a soul.”>“Boy: At least that’s what I think, but I know she doesn’t see it the same way.”>“Boy: To me, everything in this painting has as much life as what lies outside it.”>at least thats what I think. so that is the artists wishful thinking
I hope the next CO game goes sci fi.
>>732776147>The only alternative explanation is that the Desandre family are like vampires and live for hundreds of yearsThey already have magic powers. >with the effect over her eyesMaelle was also there for a while. Also, of the time dilation theory is real, then using the paintings is highly beneficial. They effectively extend your life.Not like real life escapism at all. >the characters in the painting are not any more real than mickey mouseThey are shown to have their own thoughts and feelings. They are real. We see their thoughts via the journals, and they talk to each other. Mickey mouse can't have conversations with you. Either way the game should have been clear if they were actually fake. The fact that it didn't hurt the themes of escapism.>>732776331>not reallyYes really. You are assuming that they are NPCs even though they talk, have their own feelings, thoughts, aspirations, etc. >they would never use such wordsThey could say that the characters are just illusory or fake. But they don't as far as I remember.>Mayb some paintings were lost in the fire, was that also genocide?Genocide is supposed to be intentional. Also, yes the dessendres could be committing genocide when they destroy paintings (if they even do on a regular basis) Human beings are capable of genocide, and even thinking they are righteous for doing so. Either way the game should have been clear if they were actually fake. The fact that it didn't hurt the themes of escapism.
>>732777201>so that is the artists wishful thinkingThe artist would know of they are fake, nigger. The artist is the one creating it.
>>732777250CO game?>>732778167>They are shown to have their own thoughts and feelings. They are real. We see their thoughts via the journals, and they talk to each other.Like advanced AI models talking to each other>Either way the game should have been clear if they were actually fake. The fact that it didn't hurt the themes of escapism.yeah maybe they should have been more clear but the mystery fuels more speculation and people talking about the game which means more sales
>>732778232he literally said>At least that’s what I thinkmeaning he doesn't know, but wants to believe theyre not NPCsjust like you
>>732778167>>732778371To me the biggest evidence the painted people are real is that they're always treated as if they are, even by Renoir. At the end he even listens to their arguments and tells Alicia that>Your friends speak truth, and it changes nothingThe one person who treats painted people as NPCs is Clea.
>>732778371>Like advanced AI models talking to each otherAi doesn't exist in this world And magical ai could very well be sentient So once again, you saying that they are fake is an assumption.>but the mystery fuels more speculation and people talking about the game which means more salesIt also hurts the games narrative by making the escapism allegory feel hollow for people who interpret it differently. >>732778459The artist thinking that they are real means that he's not sure, despite being the creator. This means that they COULD be real. Which is incredibly unrealistic. And negatively impacts the escapism theme. And them being NPCs is still your headcanon.
>>732765815fpbp
>>732778996If you pick the maelle ending you are willing to kill a real human being, possibly 2, to save paintings on the off chance that they could be real
>>732778371>Like advanced AI models talking to each otherYou're entitled to your interpretation, but the fictional setting the game takes place in has actual magic, so there's no reason to assume that painters can't create artificial lifeforms with minds as complex and sapient as real humans.
>>732778371>CO game?Clair Obscur, it's a series
>>732779624Out of context clickbait
>>732779726You can feel free to read the article. The writers intended for us to interpret the painted lumierens ad being people on the level of real humans, but trapped in a pocket realm. You're free to feel otherwise, art is always open to interpretation, but you cannot state that it's impossible given the magical nature of painting.
>>732765706Yeah, sure, should've been a visual novel instead
>>732779954Link pls
>>732779993Should have been a Heavy Rain -like
>>732780302>huuuur fucking durf da durururrrrrrrr i can't fucking use google hurrr i'm a fucking retarded faggot please rape my face hurrrrrrrrrrrrrmSure, here it is: https://www.gamesradar.com/games/rpg/clair-obscur-expedition-33-director-wants-the-french-rpg-to-be-open-to-interpretation-but-thinks-we-failed-as-writers-if-you-dont-connect-to-its-cast-as-humans/
>>732780557Ty
>>732780557why is she so hot
>>732781560she's burning up
The gameplay is great, the story is terrible.Anyone who compares E33's combat to Dark Souls instead of Paper Mario is a fucking retard who doesn't play JRPGs and their opinion can INSTANTLY be discarded.
>>732780557He didnt say what you said at all. He's just saying if you didnt get emotionally invested thinkibg it was all real before the twist was revealed, that theb they had failed (with storytelling, character develooment etc.)
>>732781689Paper mario has terrible gameplay too
>>732765706Everything in this image mogs E33 story wise.
>>732781808>before the twist was revealedNice head canon, where is that stated?
>>732781931>Plothole: the story™>Tranime: shit edition>Story?>Actually good
>>732781931The Japanese just do it better.
>>732765706The story is pure Judeo-Masonic garbage tho.
>>732781918that's your opinion, and it is wrong.
>>732781689>The gameplay is greatsee:>>732773640
>>732782065what plot holes are in S;G? genuine question
>>732781931>Persona>Steins;Gate >good story
>>732782005>The writers intended for us to interpret the painted lumierens ad being people on the level of real humans, but trapped in a pocket realm.Is not stated anywhere
>>732782571>The story is pure Judeo-Masonic garbage thoProvide one single example of this
>>732783021They were responding to a discussion among people who had already completed the game and were aware of the nature of the canvas around whether or not the painted people were real. That's the default context of the director's statements. If you want to state another meaning is implied, you need a reason. If you can't provide one, you may instead continue coping and seething about being wrong.
>>732765706You meant to say bad stories stuck in good games?
>>732783236>They were responding to a discussion among people who had already completed the game and were aware of the nature of the canvas around whether or not the painted people were real. That's the default context of the director's statements.Post the link because that is not what ur linked article says
>>732781931All garbage except for Elden Ring, which barely has a story.
>>732783768I see you've opted for option #2. A pity. Oh well, here's more context from the wapo article.
How does this game keep getting so much more powerful every month?
>>732784123Thats not what you said retard
>>732782889Not him but I thought anything related to the vegetables subplot was completely retarded. As were a few other things too but it's been a long since I watched S;G back then.
>>732784123You have bad reading comprehension and youre adding words to his statement which changes the meaning. His statement actually gives zero vlarity on the situation since it would be a reasonable statement whether they are NPCs or not
>>732765706I'm 3 hours into that game and it makes absolutely zero sense.I've gone into the game knowing nothing about it, and it's doing a piss poor job of explaining wtf is happening. It just expects you to know what the fuck "gommaging" is and why everyone is dying and wtf the giant number 34 on fire means.Maybe it's explained as i get further into the game but dumping all that shit on you at the very beginning is a terrible way to start a story.
