Completely different genres and expectations. Megaman Legends is a pre-OoT 3D dungeon crawler, no one was really good at 3D game development yet. Also, it has outstanding presentation. Megaman X6 is like the 15th 2D Megaman platformer, so they should've been pretty good at it. Also, it had a development so rushed that they threw SNES sprites in to save time.

>>732804297
my reaction when i first played it was omg they are stepping up the difficulty there aint no playing around with this shit. in practical terms mmx became an action puzzle platformer at this point. i wasn't able to beat it without looking up hints though.

>>732804297
youtubers said it's bad, and some stages are difficult that's it

>>732804674
X6's difficulty is way overblown. For every ball-busting moment there's a complete pushover moment. Scaravich illustrates it best - absolute motherfucker of a stage, but the boss fight might as well not even exist. X6 isn't "hard" much as it's hilariously uneven. There's some truly sleepwalk tier shit in there.

>>732804297
be a man and defend X6 without this but what about this other thing cowardice

>>732804297
Nightmare effects are obtuse and feel cheap.
Civilians in the stages having permadeath is annoying.
A lot of the stages are just plain bad and oddly short.
It is still the fourth best X game.

>>732804829
yeah. the only thing i was like "wtf" was the blaze heatnix donuts and then the rainy turtloid hall of rooms

>>732804297
X6 is difficult and Legends isn't.

>>732804297
0/10 bait
But I'm biting it because why not
Nightmare effects are dogshit most of the time
Level design is abysmal, most of the time (that pretty well-known jump that you can't do with the shadow armor, or those fucking donuts in Heatnix's level)
What the fuck is that arena for the Gate fight?
Only thing saving this game for me is the boss designs that are imo some of the best that the series has to offer (which isn't saying that the rest had shit designs, they're pretty good for the most part, it's just that X6 got my favorite Mavericks), and the music (Both of those points don't apply to X7, that game is worthless)
The story doesn't make sense and looks as forced as it really was
Also, the abysmal localization (I hid myself while I tried to repair myself and all)
That's why this game is considered a Kusoge; I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot of stuff
Haven't played Legends, so I can't really tell you anything about this game

>>732804878
>It is still the fourth best X game.
Do you mind posting your ranking of the X series games? I'm curious about what would happen to the others if X6 was placed in 4th place.

>>732805297
inb4
>X1,X4,X3,X6

>>732805250
>The story doesn't make sense and looks as forced as it really was
???
Gate and Alia's plot makes sense.
The Issoc stuff is following up on Serges + the Wily shit from 5 while also explaining how Zero is back.
It follows through on the "Sigma is degrading" idea from X5 that X8 ran with.

What's the issue?

>>732804297
Because there are multiple better X games and the legends series is flawed but still good games that could have been improved upon

>>732805297
Not them but my ranking is
>1 2 6 3 4 5 8 7
With romhacks/fan stuff factored in it's
>1 8R 3 6 2 4 5 8 7

>>732805586
I fucked up, the first one was supposed to end on 8 5 7, not 5 8 7

>>732805586
>>732805643
insane

>>732805685
Elaborate

>>732804297
No one has ever talked positively about Legends outside here, which is why the 3 pitch fell to deaf ears.

>>732804297
I've been playing through the X series recently and while I think it's more entertaining than X5 and X7 I still wouldn't call it a good game.

>>732804682
Actually true in this occasion, you'll hear them recite the lines 50x more often than describe anything in the game in any detail.

Why did Megaman never get a Mario 64 or Zelda OOT tier game?

>>732805250
You CAN do the jump with the shadow armor, retard Get good.

>>732805775
your ranking is insane

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X6 is built off the X4 engine which has some incredibly satisfying movement. Your levels could be complete dog shit, but you can still have some enjoyment because how good X and Zero move on a basic level. You don't need any fancy movement schlop techniques or abilities. Jump Shoot Man X on PS1 perfected jumping and shooting.

>>732804297
>>732804682
I also feel like people just hate this one because of shitty jewtuber videos
It's really not a bad game, it's just not nearly as quality as the ones before it

>>732805297
Do you mind posting your ranking of the X series games?
Okay
>Top Tier
4
1
2
>Okay tier
6
5
>I hate this game tier
8
3
7
I played through them all last year via the x collection. I used Zero in 5 and 6 (only played X in two levels before unlocking Zero), beat 7 while dumping everything into Axl and beat 4 with both X and Zero. In 8 I alternated between all three.

>>732804297
Because, other design flaws notwithstanding, having ability to permanently fuck up in a game with replayable stages is dumb.

WELL HOLY GOD DAMN

>>732806154
>Does not elaborate
Ah.
You are motherfucker.

>>732806676
That's crazy to me, because I absolutely despise how X handles in 4. Zero is fine, but X? Fuck me, he's annoying.

>>732804682
>>732806638
This game was always hated, long before YouTube reviewers started shitting on it too, then all of a sudden some people decided they need to be contrarian and pretend its not bad.

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>>732804297
u tell me bro

>>732807930
It got a good thrashing in game magazines but was always divisive. Even sites like MMHP had takeaways like "game's neat, but it's hard and sloppy." But who am I kidding? You don't know anything about the Mega Man fandom of the 2000s. You're just saying whichever words you think justify your strawman.

>>732804297
Tbf the only good Ps1 Megaman was X4

>>732807930
Contemporary reviews spanned from 8.9 to 1.4 in score. Both ends of the spectrum talked about how much of a ballbuster it is and how Capcom didn't translate the damn thing properly.

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>>732804297
imo it just needed another 3-6 months to fix some seriously major flaws of the game

>reploids respawn if they die in the levels instead of being gone forever
>forgo the insane levels of grind to fully unlock the max amount of chip slots; just give you max slots from the start (this is counterbalanced by the game being harder, so you end up given the option to be strong as fuck to deal with it)
>have a lot better enemy variety; some stages literally only have nightmare enemies and it is disappointing as fuck
>invest a little more into a few minibosses that are obviously lame (blaze heatnix's jpg of a red donut just gliding across the screen with zero animation, copypasted 4 times)
>make the first 4 levels without nightmare effects, make the last 4 levels guaranteed to have them. again, you will be stronger from being able to more easily save reploids and get their chips with my previous suggestion
>better graphics
>fix the few bosses who genuinely suck because of how easy they are like commander yammark

that's honestly it. the soundtrack rocks, the level aesthetics rock, the general level design is good (you hate megaman if you hate blizzard wolfgang), the bosses are way more dynamic and engaging than the bullet sponge snoozefest of X5, the armor upgrades are REALLY fucking good, zero and X are the funnest they have been to play in the series so far. X6 is very close to being an amazing game. it leaning into being the 'hard' X6 with my changes would make it a fan favorite, guaranteed.

X1 > X2 = X3 > X5 > X6 > X4 > X8 > X7
I assume anyone who rates X4 higher or near the top played it first and probably had a PSX for their first console.

>>732808449
First two, nightmare effects and boss HP are addressed by the fan hack, at least.

X1 > X4 > X2 > POWER GAP > X3 = X5 > X6 > X7

>>732808539
I kinda get where you're coming from with X5 where it is, but Alia chatting you up and how extremely short the levels are burned me pretty bad.

>>732808595
I was tempted to write X5 = X6.
I like X6, it just feels very... rough at times.

>>732808690
True. I think despite the rough patches the levels are more fun to replay. But with the fan mod I also totally get how someone would prefer 5 even if it's not my taste.

>>732804829
>So actually while the stage is motherfucking hard, the boss isnt, which means the whole thing isnt hard at all

>>732808575
Absolutely correct

>>732808575
What puts X3 so far below X2 for you?
Aside from the buster upgrade being trash.

>>732808449
>X6 with fewer but more varied/complicated enemies.
I see your vision. The best parts of the game are when you're dealing with a platforming challenge while enemies are coming at you. Having the mantis bots in Yammark, for example, have multiple kinds of scythe attacks with clear tells for which they're going to do would improve the stage immensely.

>>732808171
Its also got a good thrashing on message boards as well.
>Even sites like MMHP had takeaways like "game's neat, but it's hard and sloppy."
What they said was "Unfortunately the final result is this game comes across more irritating than fun. Which is a shame, since it had so much promise." which is the common sentiment for X6 and a big reason why its hated, cause it really was a huge waste of potential.
>but muh 70% overall score!
X7 was given a 79% overall score.
>You're just saying whichever words you think justify your strawman.
Rich coming from some fag who thinks people only shit on it cause of YouTubers. The game has never been seen in a positive light.

>>732807612
You don't like your dash being terrible?

>>732808868
Not them but the game balance is kinda ass and it has the worst bosses sans X7. Zero Project fixes the former by essentially doubling your life bar.

>>732808868
nta, but every single aspect of X3 is bad. It's got the dumbest level designs, horrible weapons, and even worse bosses. On top of that several characters look stupid as hell and all of the music sucks. 3 seconds then dwiddlydwiddly then loops. Each X game is worse than the last, but X3 is the dumbest of the whole series.

>>732808904
>X7 was given a 79% overall score.
I never said he had taste, just that he was mixed on it. Which you're trying to twist into "OH HE HATED IT" when that's very much not what he said.

>Rich coming from some fag who thinks people only shit on it cause of YouTubers.
>Everyone who disagrees with me is the same person.
Moron.
>The game has never been seen in a positive light.
See, great example. That's just objectively not true. From day 1 it's been mixed. Some people like it. Some people hate it. Some sick freaks love it. Trying to say it's just contrarianism is the faggotry of a man who can't deal with opinions that aren't his own existing.

>>732808996
>dumbest level designs
Really? At least it was the last game before Capcom decided that at least TWO of every game's eight levels MUST be gimmicky shit.

>>732808996
There is absolutely no way you think X8 is worse than X7.

how are we feeling about this bros? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHOs3lB4jP0

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>>732808868
Well you mentioned buster upgrade, so:
>music is the weakest of the SNES trilogy by far, too many songs sound same-y or repetitive (the PS1 OST isn't that much better)
>regular enemies do way too much damage on contact in the early game
>the item game sucks (unless you fight the bosses a very specific way)
>bosses become an even bigger joke than usual with their weaknesses while others are really obnoxious without them
>some of the mid-bosses take their sweet time to go down and take even longer to actually explode
>Zero's implementation feels really ass
>the pink capsules are ultimately pointless since you can just wait and grab the gold armor in the doppler stages instead
>having multiple ride armors sounds cool in concept, but it's mostly only used for item collection (and the chimera armor has no use whatsoever)
>the plot of this game is the X series equivalent of a filler arc, Nothing introduced in it is mentioned again in later titles. You could skip this one (or erase it from existence) and you would miss nothing at all

>>732805250
>The story doesn't make sense and looks as forced as it really was
How?

>>732809136
>I never said he had taste, just that he was mixed on it. Which you're trying to twist into "OH HE HATED IT" when that's very much not what he said.
Calling a game more annoying than fun is not a good thing, and its not mixed either, its a bad sign, its something you wish were better. The dude also basically never gives any game lower than 70%, only games he ever has were a 65% for MMII on GB and 50% for MM on GG. X6 is one of the lowest scored games on his site. You're the one trying to twist his words here, not me.
>Some people like it. Some people hate it. Some sick freaks love it.
Exact same could be said for X7. Every game is someone's favorite, but it doesn't change a shit game from being a shit game, and it doesn't suddenly make it mixed when most of the discussion for the game has always said it was bad.
>Trying to say it's just contrarianism is the faggotry of a man who can't deal with opinions that aren't his own existing.
It genuinely is contrarianism, 90% of the people who defend X6 did not appear until after reviewing all the Megaman games became a popular trend on YouTube. I don't care if you like the game, its fine to like a bad game, X7 is my guilty pleasure, but I'm not gonna spout some bullshit like "its an underrated gem that was never hated actually and was mixed at best"
The only person who seem to be unable to deal with the opinions of others is you.

>>732808796
Is that what the post says? Read more carefully anon.

>>732804297
Casuals loved to bitch about it being too hard, which really wasn't true unless you're clinically retarded. The game does have several problems, but it's nowhere near as bad as some people claim.
Now X7, that's fucking kusoge supreme.

>>732809490
>music
Personally, I don't like the "poppy" sound used all over the X2 soundtrack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuEDwmv65xs
>enemy damage
Idk, never noticed I guess.
>bosses
I mean, sure, but this has been an issue in basically all of the games, including X1.
Octopus, Kuwanger, and Chameleon are all far more annoying without their weakness. Most of them are trivialized with them.
>zero
Agreed.
>capsules
The gold capsule is a secret, like the hadouken. You're supposed to pick just one chip otherwise.
>ride armor
Yeah, this feels like something that was sort of half-finished and abandoned. But I wouldn't say having it in there makes the game worse.
>plot
I mean... Why is Zero back in every game? Or Sigma, almost? Which world-ending scenario leads to MMZ or whatever?

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>>732808868
Once you see X3 as a Rockman World entry that graduated to SNES and the X series without doing much to address either of these radical changes, everything clicks in place. The static, no flair lowly mechaniloid, GB-level animated, buster sponge enemies that encourage stopping and gunning down, with their overreliance on next to no telegraph firing projectiles and simple contact as attacks over properly animated moves with build-up. The spacious flat stages not leaning into the speedrun philosophy, either giving you room to maneuver for free or not at all, while the other games had much tighter windows for going quick. And the most apparent surface level problem, the severe lack of set pieces, X was supposed to be cinematic (in the good sense).

This stuff becomes a lot more apparent when you try Route Matrix Randomizer, not just in going back and forth between the games, but in how randomized X3 doesn't feel very different at all, with enemies functionally abstract enough to fit mostly anywhere.

>>732806676
Ranking 6 above 3 I have a hard time understanding, and I say this as someone who has learned to appreciate 6. Surely whatever flaws are present in 3 are equally present in 6, if not even worse?

>>732812761
I really really fucking hate the buster upgrade in 3. It's a direct downgrade from the base part yet there are a bunch of other upgrades that require it.
Routing in 3 is a nightmare that requires you jumping around the stages in an obtuse order.
I don't like having to collect the ride armor.
I hate those two asshats that show up as midbosses.
I don't think there's a single Maverick fight in 3 that I like.
It's just a slog to play from start to finish. The most fun I had was blitzing Sigma with the z-saber.

I didn't even know people didn't like it.
I just rented it as a little anon and thought it was the coolest shit ever because you could unlock a dude with a laser sword.

>>732811556
>Which world-ending scenario leads to MMZ or whatever?
Zero going to sleep at the end of X6 in his ending. X's endings in X6 basically continue to X7 and the other X games.

>>732804297
Its design philosophy was a knee-jerk reaction to how casual X5 was.

>>732808539
I played the X games in order and I think you're a retard.

The only reason, the ONLY reason for not placing 4 at the very top is because of Jet Stingray's stage, and that's a flaw it shares with Volt Kraken in 5, which you have bafflingly rated above 4.

>>732814603
HE DESTROYED THE CITY AND ESCAPE TO THE SEA

>>732808539
I assume anyone that rates X4 that low is just being a contrarian little bitch trying desperately to look different and cool

>>732809490
but I like the PS1 soundtrack
more than the SNES version, too

>>732808539
Every X game after 4 was simply Capcom trying to reinvent 4. The series peaked too soon.

>>732805297
>Do you mind posting your ranking of the X series games?
X8 (demake)
X1
X4
X3
X6
X5
X2
X8
never played x7 and never will, unless a demake is released

>>732815208
if you've played all of them, you should at least play X7 just to see how awful it is

>>732814603
>is because of Jet Stingray's stage
filtered, git gud

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>>732808868
For me? It's the lack of unique enemy variety. This guy was in almost every stage. The other enemies didn't look much different in terms of design either. X1 and X2 had a ton of unique mooks. X4 had the repliforce bots, but those guys ruled.

>>732815245
I've seen it already on jewtube and all the burn to the ground you can think of, I'm good

>>732813712
>Routing in 3 is a nightmare that requires you jumping around the stages in an obtuse order
6 is infinitely worse about this
>I don't like having to collect the ride armor
Collecting all the parts in 6 is infinitely worse
>I hate those two asshats that show up as midbosses.
Hi-Max

The buster and the boss fights are legit strengths 6 has over 3, I'll give you that.

>>732815318
>only seen burn to the ground
>hasn't lived it
A coward is what you are.

>>732815245
No one needs to experience how bad it is. Watching it is enough.

X1 > X2 > X4 > X3 > X8 > X6 > X5 > X7

Some of you are weird as fuck.

>>732815245
Or watch the AVGN episode

>>732814603
>>732815038
The stages in X4 are garbage and both characters play like shit. It's only not at the bottom because X7 and X8 are worse.
X6 has worse stages, but the difficulty makes it more interesting.

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>>732815405
As someone who finally played it on LC2, no it's not. Playing it is a whole different ballpark. That shit is educational.

>>732815491
>The stages in X4 are garbage
The first half of Cyber Peacock, the verticality of Frost Walrus and the variety gauntlet of Split Mushroom is more than enough to leave X5 in the dust, or do you actually think stages like Dark Necrobat, Burn Dinorex or Tidal Whale are better than those?

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>>732815318
>I've seen it already on jewtube and all the burn to the ground you can think of
You're gonna let a youtuber tell you what to think? the whole game is 3-4 hours tops, the item game is quicker here than it is in X3/X5/X6 if you ever considering going for everything. you can easily run the game on PCSX2 if you don't wanna shell out some money for the legacy collection version which has an achievement for listening to every single one of Alia's messages.
>>732815405
>>732815480
>letting youtubers think for you

>All those X6s above X8s in the rankings
X8 was really THAT bad, huh?
Guess I should give it a try once more to see how it holds up after all these years...

>>732815627
Do you need to dig your hands in shit to know it's unclean? What kind of masochistic moron recommends other people play objectively shit games?

>>732815627
>letting youtubers think for you
yeah, ones i trust. do you REALLY need to watch twlight to know it sucks?

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>>732815402
motherfucker

>>732815638
X8's a weird one. It's better than the 3 games before it on paper, but a very fair criticism leveled at it is how many gimmicks you're wading through in each level. There's not a whole lot of straight up Megaman X gameplay in it, and as much as I do like X8 I do have to agree with that.

>>732815627
>>732815737
I'll be reporting back tomorrow

>>732815638
It has neat ideas undermined by a grindy shop and lots of the stages sucking ass

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Can you guys tell if this front MM7 sticker is real or fake?

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>>732815720
It's less masochism and more of a rite of passage. Everyone knows it's bad, and why it's bad. But have you experienced how bad it is for yourself?
>>732815721
>do you REALLY need to watch twlight to know it sucks?
One of these is a movie franchise I have zero interest in, the other is a infamously dogshit entry in a series of 2D platformers from the 90's-mid 2000's. If you've played all the other titles (and presumably enjoyed most of them) surely it makes sense to see how bad the abysmal dogshit one is for yourself, right? Even if it's just for bragging rights, or so you can say you've finished all of them.
>>732815880
>made in mexico
it's fake, right?

>>732815880
looks real enough

>>732815720
People absolutely should play a shit game or two in their life. It builds character and orients perspective.

>>732815957
>dumb mexican dragon not knowing it was made in mexico

>>732815957
>surely it makes sense to see how bad the abysmal dogshit one is for yourself, right?
no?

>>732804297
megaman legends is charming, megaman x ran out of steam at x3.

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>>732815816
almost

>>732815868
I would argue that the same can be said about X6, but I suppose the multiple options to choose about what to buy really places X8 in a bad position anyway in comparison to X6's only ''limited'' currency of raising your rank to equip parts.

>>732816263
One thing that might bug people about X8 are the ride chaser segments. I probably forgot one but Avalanche Yeti and Gigavolt Man-o-war force you on ride chaser segments.

>>732815615
I don't like Cyber Space or Marine Base, or any of the stages like that in the later games.
But even though Jungle and Snow Base are "normal" stages, I just don't think they are fun to play. I also don't like Air Force and have mixed feelings on Bio Lab.
It's not like I like all of X5's stages, either.

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>>732816774
>I don't like Cyber Space
>Snow Base isn't fun to play
You lost me. Those are two of the best stages in the series.

>>732804297
>kusoge
shut the fuck up weeb

So will people just defend any shit game as long as there's a hard part for them to circlejerk about?

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>>732815638
There are only 2 actual platformer levels

>Opening Stage
Glorified Tutorial
>Burn Rooster
Screen Auto Scroller
>Optic Sunflower
Challenge Rooms
>Gravity Antonion
Challenge Rooms
>Earthrock Trilobyte
Screen Auto-Scroller
>Gigabolt Man-O-War
Vehicle Auto-Scroller
>Avalanche Yeti
Vehicle Auto Scroller
>Bamboo Pandemonium
Platforming stage
>Dark Mantis
Platforming stage
>Jakob's Ladder
Elevator / Challenge Rooms
>Sigma's Palace
Spikes, Spikes Everywhere

If you were looking for a Jump Shoot adventure, X8 did not deliver

>>732817514
thankfully the demake fixed all of this

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>>732804297
Its amazing if you master it, its one of the best Megaman Xs
Unlock Zero earlier by doing the shield sheldon (yes thats the name) stage first. And get the barrier shield power it multiplies Zero's slashes from 1 to like 12 for some reason. It gives the slashing animations more active hitboxes, now the lightsabre feels like a lightsabre.

>>732817487
Depends on the series.

X > X4 > X2 > X3 > X5 > X8 > X6 > X7
Any other ranking is gay and wrong

>>732804297
It was reviewed by tourists.

People who do care for stuff usually spend time with it before
sharing a review as fast as possible for an audience that doesn't care either.

The people who like it have fun with it.

As a newcomer, if you insist on playing with X without armor
when the game starts you with him in Falcon armor,
at that point you're just being stupid/ pedantic

>>732817886
IGN actually gave X6 an 8/10, though it reads as if the writer took 10 minutes to both play and review the game.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2002/01/03/mega-man-x6

>>732810175
>X7 is my guilt pleasure.
And there it is.
The source of the weird complex and need to call people contrarians and reject reality.

>>732817487
you didn't learn from silksong?

>>732815038
I think it's better than 5, 7 and 8, but X seriously plays like complete trash in that game and most of the levels suck. Zero is the only fun part, and I prefer MMZ for that.

>>732815478
>X8 over 5 and 6
>Calls other anons weird
God I love shitty gimmick stages!!!

>>732817487
I don't care that it's "hard." Cope.

>>732818578
Let's not pretend X5 and X6 are paragons of normal X stages either. I'll take X8's better stages over the near entirety of those two games. Maybe not Turtloid in X6, that stage is pretty cool. But probably the rest.

>>732818714
X5 stages are short, but fuck, at least there's a game there. And as much as people love to meme X6, Yammark, Turtloid, Wolfang, and MSP are fun stages. Mijinion is a bit gimmicky and Sheldon's too short, but that's more game I actually want to play than X8.

I like X3, the verticality in a lot of its stages is a welcome change of pace since we only got it in little bites I feel like in the previous games. Someone mentioned the buster upgrades sucking in it which is fair, but I guess I just got used to playing the game without upgrades after my first go through.

>>732814603
I would rather play Jet Stingray 5 times in a row than ever touch Slash Beast's godawful stage again.

>>732813765
X6 hate is a midwit thing.
The only bad X game is 7.

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>>732816112
This shit is horrible, I'm out

>>732817817
X4 that high is gay and wrong.

>>732819239
it has good music at least
but yes in 3D you can skip fucking all the level if you want, just go around it

>>732819239
I commend you for actually playing a video game to determine it is bad but yes, x7 is just genuinely a bad game. I think it has a couple good songs at best?

>>732819313
>>732819325
I think I've never felt such a shitty game in my life, the demake cant come soon enough

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>>732819239
>he got filtered by the easiest mega man x game

>>732815975
>and orients perspective.
I suppose having experience with games like x7 helps people understand that there really is a difference between a 6/10 and a 2/10

>>732819498
I could beat it If I wanted to anon, but the controls feels like shit, makes megaman legends look like a AAA title

>>732819587
see, mega man legends is clunky tank controls, but the difficulty is appropriate for how well you can move, and it's got other things going for it. I understand not liking it, but then you have X7, you have to unlock the titular character, the stages are a slog all to unlock an unfun boss (one of which as you know just screams in your ear the whole time to punish you for playing this game), and it all wraps up in a final fight that is also not fun!

X8 isn't amazing, but it "shines" from managing to be mostly competent compared to x7.

>>732818947
But were you READY?

>>732818479
Silksong, Dark Souls 2, this

x is just worse in every way compared to classic desu

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>>732808539
Megaman X4 is the greatest game ever made and anyone saying it's trash is damaging their own soul by being so forcefully contrarian.

>>732820225
You're thinking of Squid Adler

>>732822581
X4 has like, two flaws and it's that it's too easy compared to the snes games, and the general and sigma fights kinda suck as zero.

>>732804297
I'm sorry that Zero wasn't on Kattelox Island where he could hide himself so he could heal himself. The only good thing about this game is that Metal Shark Player's theme slaps.

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>>732819271

>>732804297
Legends feels way fucking better to play than X6 unless you're one of those actual retards who can't adjust to nonstandard 3D control schemes.

>>732804297
Parroting YouTuber opinions and the fact you can't complete the game as X without ever taking damage, as if that applies to 99,99999% of the population.

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>Roll
>Kalinka
>Ciel
>Alouette
Why were Alices so popular?

>>732819271
First game with a dub and being the first entry for a lot of 90s kids DESERVES to be high up.

I liked dashing in SNES X games, I did not like dashing in PS1 X games.

>>732822581
Uh huh.
So which X game did you play first and how old were you?

>>732813712
>Routing in 3 is a nightmare
All you have to really remember is that X3 starts and ends with Tornado Fang because of how much is gated behind it. You do Rhino, Buffalo, Hornet in that order and you've basically unlocked all exploration in every stage. You have to backtrack to Rhino's stage with the Buster and Triad Thunder to get what you missed there, but that's the only time you backtrack.
Other than that, I agree with you. X3 just isn't fun.

>>732824065
I like dashing in the ps1 games because you don't have to actually dash, they put in a QOL feature where you can just hold the button and jump to get dash jumps even if you're not moving.

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>>732824694
>calling casualization QoL

>>732806414
this
it's crazy how unbelievably perfect they got it by the time 6 came out, 4 and 5 still have some weird quirks but 6 is just perfection in terms of moving in 2D space
and then they went and made 7 and 8 and threw it all away for the sake of their new garbage engine

>>732806676
this is almost exactly my own list as well, the only difference for me is that I'd switch 3 and 5 and MHX is also in top tier because Vile mode is just that good

>>732815363
>6 is infinitely worse about this
On a blind playthrough you are probably right. But I was using a for some parts liking unlocking Zero ASAP and figuring out which nightmare effects did what.
>Collecting all the parts in 6 is infinitely worse
I only played the game as Zero outside of the first two levels
>Hi-Max
Hi-Max is placed in alternate routes whereas Bit and Byte directly block your path. Getting a boss's weakness only to find out that you have to find one of those two as well on said boss's stage is annoying.
>>732824686
You're route is admittedly good for an average.
I specifically routed my playthrough so that I could skip the arm part but still unlock the z-saber for the final levels.
There's probably a special weapon in x3 that could replace the regular buster like metal blade or storm tornado. but I would prefer if the arm part didn't exist. Reminder that it ONLY does more damage when the full combo shot hits. It locking you in place for a slower, clunkier fire ruins the game for me.

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>>732828915
Buster replacement for me in X3 is probably Triad Thunder because of how fire-and-forget it is.

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X1 > X4 > X2 > X6 > X5 > X8 > X3 >X7

X1 was just perfect. There's not a single element of the game that makes you feel like "the game would've been better without this". Level design is very satisfying. Excellent weapons. Soundtrack is all bangers too and the soundfont is way better than X2 and X3

X4 has some bad moments like Stingray's stage but other than that it's all good. Amazing feel on everything, banger soundtrack as well

X2 improved some things but downgraded others

X6 feels like ass when you don't know what you're doing, but it's the most satisfying game to play when you know what you're doing. I'd rather replay it over X4
Still some ass moments though

X5 has some really obnoxious stages, Alia interrupting you can get annoying and what the everloving fuck what were they thinking with the cannon and shuttle

X8 has too much gimmicks but isn't a really bad game either

X3 is ass. Bad level design, the hopping cannon bot and the spike balls bot are fucking everywhere, you take way too much damage, bosses suck and are very poorly animated, the soundtrack is shit, the upgraded buster is shit, the weapons are shit, the final gauntlet is shit, and you spend the entire game with Doppler, Vile and the retarded miniboss guys telling you about how Sigma's new body is a unimaginable horror powerful enough to destroy the Earth and when you finally get to Sigma his almighty new body is just like his head stapled on a slightly bigger riding armor
Sorry I hate Megaman X3

X7 is X7

>>732818947
Slash Beast is just an action gauntlet, kinda like the desert stage in MMZ1. Less platforming, more mowing dudes down. Hardly offensive, plus the heart's a cute secret to discover.

>>732804297
Legends is awesome. You probably don't even understand it even though it's a game for children. MMX6 is not a bad game either but it does have some questionable gameplay elements and major annoyances that make it a pain to play.

>>732830590
Fairly reasonable for where this list deviates.

>>732828915
>I was using a
using a guide*

>>732830590
Also in X3 Zero was implemented in the worst possible way

Also in X5 having a character select screen doesn't make much sense since you get to play both characters regardless of who you choose, the only change is that if you start with Megaman, you get the Fourth Armor, and if you select Zero... all you get is the Z-Buster that is completely useless. There's no difference on anything else

X5 favors X a lot more than zero

I genuinely believe most of the hate towards X6 comes from the fact that the guides online are full of wrong and plain retarded information

>>732830590
>what were they thinking with the cannon and shuttle
The funny thing is that the cannon parts don't even matter. Having one part is just as effective as having all four. And it super easy to cheat the results by reloading your save. If Zero "dies" with the shuttle you can just reload your last save to prevent that too. I do think it is cool how bosses have different dialogue if you still fight even in a route where the cannon was successful.

>>732817817
aside from x4 being way too high this is rather accurate.

>>732819313
>>732819325
The boss rush room looks cool.

>>732832620
Most of the hate towards X6 comes from it very obviously being and feeling like a rushed game.

>>732832620
The presentation being cheap dogshit doesn't help. And a lot of people just don't like weird games.

>>732831091
It's offensive because the enemy placement and interactions are shit. It's the most boring stage in the entire series. It exists to make you go "wooooaaaah!" when you play as Zero for the first time. Shallow, bland and ugly.

X4 has good stages but damn Slash Beast is ass.

>>732808868
the levels are just not as well designed, the sigma stages especially. There's a distinct lack of subweapon platforming in the sigma stages unlike x1 and x2. too many bosses just feel the same (Byte, Crawfish, Buffalo, first phase vile, Rhino) can all be beaten in the exact same way (Dash jumping off of each wall tagging them with the buster, repeat). I don't blame the devs though they just couldn't churn them out that fast AND maintain a level of quality on par with x1 and x2. These are subjective complaints imo since x3 is still among the top 10 best action game on the SNES easily.

>>732830590
I don't agree with this opinion but I respect it.

>>732823710
Roll originally Candy Candy protagonist, anon.

Also play this games
https://avdossow.itch.io/alice-slaughters-wonderland

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These kinds of threads remind me that there is still some decent gamers left on this gay earth.

>>732832347
And X4 heavily favors Zero. Game's way better as him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHOs3lB4jP0
>releasing tomorrow
>0 hype
Let's fix that

>>732833246
is it? I feel like both characters in X4 are really fun to use, whereas in X5 a lot of upgrades/heart tanks require X and his armors to reach.

>>732833363
Great, now port it on N64 and GameCube

>>732833363
>Let's fix that
why are you talking like a twitter bot, anon...

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>>732834026
takes one to know one

>>732833716
X plays like ass in 4. His dash barely speeds you up due to its huge startup and endlag.

>>732834226
>His dash barely speeds you up due to its huge startup and endlag.
it's faster to just do dashjumps, and shorthops in the PS1 games

>>732834362
In general, yeah, but X is still slow as fuck in 4 compared to 1-3 and even 5 and 6.

>>732804682
it's not even that, the game has two bullshit jumps and you can miss out on upgrades and the endboss sucks and lastly non Falcon X is badly balanced. But...
most X games have shit endgame
many PS1 games have crazy difficulty spikes and are still applauded (Rayman1, Crash1, Einhander)
you are meant to play with falcon armor and generally are required to get upgrades. MMX1 already had a level that is painful to progress without upgrades.
Imagine being a whiny fomo faggot.

nobody cries about Legends because most people didn't play it

>>732832970
I think Storm Owl's more boring honestly. If it weren't for the miniboss and capsule part it wouldn't even be a contest.

>>732804297
I don’t know I was able to beat it when I was 11, I love the bassline in the opening stage.

>>732831228
hey wtf thats my image to post in these threads

>>732823710
There are no Alices.

>>732818826
Mostly agree on X6 actually, though I'd personally leave MSP out. I'm not at all hardline on X8's gimmicks though, I do enjoy stages such as Pitch Black, Primrose, Metal Valley and Sigma Palace. I don't see the point in lumping those in the same category as actual shitfests like Inferno, Dynasty and Troia Base. Hell, I'd put Central White above those three and it's a Ride Chaser stage. I think some nuance can be applied here, some stages aren't that bad even with the gimmick angle.

>>732830590
>X1 is perfect
most of the stages are way too easy
the post 'selection stages' bossrush in-between stages are complete dogshit and I personally hate that Amidakuji spider boss with a passion.
Most bosses are also just average Storm eagle and the elephant are piss easy and barely do anything.

X1 is only as good as having as many flaws as the other games even though it's the initial entry, but it's far from being the first MM game so that's not a huge achievement.

>>732835774
Honestly, I have a soft spot for him despite it being an objectively bland stage. I dislike Split Mushroom more and think Cyber Peacock is only cool in concept.

>>732836498
No, I get what you're saying. My contention isn't with them being gimmicks so much as them being boring or annoying gimmicks. Like, I enjoy every ride chaser stage in the 2D games, I just really dislike X7 and X8's. If Central White was slightly shorter and a bit more varied, maybe had some fun with the camera, it would go from "I hate playing this" to absolute kino. A lot of X8 is just short of fun for me, which is why I love the 2D version so much. It's like X6 where I genuinely think 6 to 8 more months in the oven would have made it a way better game.

MSP is one of my favorite levels in the entire franchise, don't know what to tell you. Getting gibbed if you let go of Down too early is bullshit, but aside from that it kicks ass.

X6's stages are fun aside from Scaravich and Heatnix, and I've never seen anyone completely defend either one. Just defenses of one or two aspects at best. And while the bosses suck, I like Gate's castle.

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>>732835767
>most X games have shit endgame

>Playing X2
>Having an even better time than with X1
>X Hunter Base
>Level design suddenly becomes spike city
>Last level is literally just reused
>Final boss is abysmal, only trumped by X3 and X7's

Never saw a game fall off so hard.

>>732838558
Look at the soundtrack, every single X game.
The bangers are all stage bosses, the moment you move on from the stage phase, musict turns to some uninspired FL studio sample loops. It's really obviously low effort or rather leftover shit.

Capcom is really either likes to frontload their games or recycle everything twice.

>>732840284
>The bangers are all stage bosses
Huh? Most of the time the stage themes are great.

>>732837817
Peacock and Mushroom are two of my absolute favorites. I normally hate ranking shit (ironically, I generally dislike MMZ) but Peacock does it in a way that is peak flow state IMO. Mushroom is a nice action gauntlet with a bit of Dragoon-esque speedy platforming in there, it's a good mix for how many ideas it's throwing out there. I also think both of them are among the stronger raw boss fights in the game.

>>732838134
Hard agree on Central White. That, and the bullshit collectables right before the boss room. In concept it's a fun stage, it just drags on twice as long as it should. As for X6, I don't think it needed even that much time. Even 2 more months of polish would've made it a damn solid entry. MSP unfortunately feels like a callback to Dinorex for me, I kind of have an issue with the stages that force the use of crouching since the series has had way better implementations of low profiling since MM3's slide, it just feels backwards to me.

>>732823738
>First game with a dub
Shit's so bad it DESERVES to be right next to X7.

>>732843360
Fair enough, I'm not a fan of the duck either. I just really like MSP's choke points.

>>732843395
Anon
I'm disappointed in you anon HUAAAGHH

>>732804297
There are 5 other console X games to get the formula right and they phoned it in.
Legends was the first 3d attempt in the wild west of 3d games, so some jank is forgivable.

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>roll out a big ball of robot shit
>doesn't work
>roll out a BIGGER ball of robot shit
>repeat until dead
It's a metaphor for the franchise.

>>732843395
I'M SO ANXIOUS TO RIP YOU APART

I think Megaman X6 is an awful game.

That being said, I would like to share my favourite Megaman X6 related piece of content:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl6QM4hUft8

>>732843790
Most original post I've read on this site in seconds.

>>732843790
>single stage speedrun
>still over 10 minutes long
Well holy goddamn

>>732804297
Unironically, legends is an rpg, so that means it attracts the type of crowd who's entire personality is "pretend the game isn't shit because it has an aesthetic i vibe with". They will also be extremely vocal and tank entire communities while not playing anything.

I just played Maverick Hunter X and Vile Mode is pretty fun and I liked that they added a hard mode to the game. The X games are usually too easy but that was a much better balance than usual, I actually felt a reason to not use the Buster.

>>732843752
reploids don't shit

>>732844574
just build one with a synthetic digestive system, ez

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>>732844529
You're not supposed to collect any upgrades in X1. At all. The game is balanced for it and it's a much better game when a boss can kill you in 3 hits and you need to not eat shit in the stage leading up to him. I just played it like that and kept trying to beat it faster and faster. MHX is alright but the routing is worse and they changed how things control minutely.

>>732844574
and yet there is a Reploid dung beetle.

>>732844693
They can process food but not shit unless you want to add that

>>732844148
>rpg
It's a dungeon crawler. It's like NES Zelda but 3D and with guns.