>former Diablo 1&2 devs are making a Diablo clone game with sexier girlsWill it work?https://youtu.be/qEDyXnwJvZU
>>732967195>by channelling minecraftNo.It's stillborn.
>>732967195>rebottle Diablo 2's lightingWhy are Diablolike fans so obsessed with Diablo 2? Seriously it's mentalImagine any other fanbase discussing a random game of a genre they like and every sentence they have to compare it to that one old classic everyone likes, because nothing can ever stray from it's sacred formula without being considered a cheaper, inferior product. And imagine EVERY new game of this genre has to be compared to that game. Like if roguelike fans couldn't shut up about the original Rogue after decades. Or every shooter had to be like Goldeneye. Or every fighting game had to be Street Fighter 2.Seriously I don't understand Diablo2fags. D2fags are SO obsessed with that game, the PoE devs made a sequel sacrificing a good chunk of PoE's original vibe and writing the story entirely to imagine themselves making their own Diablo 2 clone. Are they just insanely autistic and hyperfixated with D2 since childhood?
>>732967195When will people understand how important level design is for videogames. If you can terraform the level then it loses meticulously planned pacing.
>>732967814nostalgia is a hell of a drug
>former devs makes a gamered flag
>>732967195>by channeling minecraft
>>732967195>Diablo 2>By channeling minecraftWhat the fuck?
>>732967814>Why are Diablolike fans so obsessed with Diablo 2? Seriously it's mentalEven they don't understand. Diablo 2 was mediocre at best, but it was the proto-skinner box from which pretty much all modern lootbox/gacha bullshit stems, so they are deeply attached to it being the first hit of an addictive substance (of gambling for super rare loot drops).
When someone sells a product based entirely on the name of another product then you know they are just selling you bullshit.Are you really stupid enough to fall for that kind of shit? Also this is very obviously a marketing thread.
>>732967814Diablo 2 was their peak that they haven't been able to overcome in spite of literal decades of attempting. It's no wonder NuBlizz gave up and just decided to continue supporting it.
>>732967195I genuinely don't understand the point of the environmental destruction gimmick.If it's just basic shit to let the player build his own structures, sure, OK, that's fine, defending your town with all the NPCs you've met along the way is always nice.But it looks like that they're doing it in a way where every time you use anything that seems to have an impact shit just gets deformed. For what purpose? This is also going to suck for dungeons and the like. Unless they have indestructible walls. Which is also retarded when your skills generally just deform the terrain. But if the walls are destructible there's no fucking point to the dungeon at all.
>from the creators of...It's dead Jim
>>732967195game looks like shit and the gimmick is dumb
>>732967814Diablo 2 is that good, it invented and perfected a genre in one goI agree the clones are just dumb at this point though, like you aren't gonna make diablo 2 better than diablo 2, just make your own game with its own merits, its like all the lame melee clones
>>732967195she qt
>>732968163It's not that complex but modern designers can't handle it. Their brains seem to force them to do stupid shit instead of making a good game.
>>732968448the trailer doesn't make it that interesting, but there's definitely ways to make it interesting; the dungeons for example, you can easily make some walls breakable and others not depending on your gear or your level or whatever you want (the same is the case for minecraft anyways), and from what they showed it's more of an additional way to add to your roleplay, you can go through walls if you're strong, you can jump and somewhat hover in the air using magic, it's very 'BG3' (aka; real old school RPG where you could use your skills to do shit that isn't just that one thing the skill is for) I don't think or see anything such as player made structures and this obviously wouldn't really fit in the game, but being able to break and modify terrain to engage in combat in different ways or even traverse the world could be cool, tho again, the trailer wasn't that great in general
>>732967195>>former Diablo 1&2 devsThose are the worst of the "former x devs", which is already a terrible group.
>>732967974the greatness of d2 really comes from its top tier game feel, from the very start of the game it feels good to click on enemies and in general interact with the gamed2 expertly combines that game feel with a timeless aesthetic, interesting world and lore, cool classes and spells, and the lootlike yeah bunch of games outdid d2 with character building complexity, amount of content and such but the overall package never was as good as d2I think poe2 got the closest by switching things up with the gameplay as they tried to make something new instead of just copying d2 but ggg is falling short from that initial goal they had for the game and they're going back to old poe1 shit ideas
>>732967195Day 1 buy
Nobody would play actual Diablo 2 if it came out today. The expectations are just way different. Brainbroken arpg junkies would binge the game in three weeks and complain about the economy being shallow and there not being any "endgame content", zoomers wouldn't care because there's no metaprogression and social features. People that put this game on a pedestal just like the idealized version of it that exists in their head, not the actual game for what it is.
>>732967195>Diablo MinecraftEh.>sexier girlsI will now buy your game.
>>732969725Then explain why people keep returning to Diablo 2 while other games fail to have that sort of longevity? Good games are good it's that simple.
>>732967195>>former Diablo 1&2 devsare they people who were actually involved in making them or is it the usual where one was an art consultant and the other was a game tester?
>>732969923because they mod the fuck out of it in a desperate attempt to relive their teen yearsNobody's replaying the vanilla game lmao.
>>732967195>soulless UI>b*izz*r* d*vsDoA
>>732969939people who were closely involved but are total has-beens who haven't made anything of relevance since
>>732967195For once, I wish someone makes a Dungeon siege spiritual successor instead.
>>732969987I replay the vanilla game multiple times a year
>>732967195>>former Diablo 1&2 devs are makingHow many times has this scam been tried in the past 25 years?
>>732967814because diablo 2 is what fonv is for fallout fans
>>732969987D2R was instantly popular even before they made any changes. Mods being popular speaks for itself. The game is so good there's people modding it 25 years after its release.
>>732970086my condolences, I hope your OCD is medicated
>>732970146people modding an old popular game for brainbroken boomers that can let go of the past is nothing new or special, it's just what it is, a niche for lost souls that are mazed by their own delusions.Diablo 2 isn't a good game, it's just peak blizzardslop at the time where blizzard was still popular.
>>732967195as long as they're gay, it will work
>>732967195Will we ever get a game like this where you can rotate the camera and freeze it at other angles? I don't get why that's blasphemy. Why do we HAVE to play with the camera locked super far away? It was originally only isometric because it was 2D. Blizzard North was working on a Diablo 3 where you could, IIRC (before they merged with blizzard).
>>732967814Because it's the framework that all ARPGs are based off of? Much like how many games are still paying dividends to shit like Ultima Underworld, whether they know it or not.
>>732970450You can rotate the camera in Grim Dawn
>>732967814Forget the loot and all that shit; D2 is special because it's got seriously great atmosphere that no follow-up has been able to replicate.
Are these the same losers that made Hellgate London?
>>732967814sometimes a game actually is perfect and any additional games in the genre only function to remove potential players from the actual good game
>>732967195>there are blizzdrones to this day playing nothing but diablo 2 over and over
>>732970838hellgate was great, kill yourself
>>732970894BLEAK
>>732970894that fucking new DLC for D2 is something, you see blizzdrones crawling out of the woodwork like beat housewives, going on their knees ready to suck blizzard off again. They just want daddy to show them some love every now and again, then he can beat and shit on them all he wants.
>>732970894D2R is actually worth playing because it makes shit like Summon Druid "viable" and by that I mean no irredeemable dogshit.
I prefer Diablo 1
>>732967195>Everything look like fucking clay>againHoly shit can someone please nuke every single modern 3D "artists"?
>>732967195Aren't diablo 1/2 devs like 60 by now?
>>732970838hellgay
>>732971621no one has made a better diablo yet so they have to do it one more time before they all die from being fat and old and hopefully change the trajectory of humanity and games in the processi think they will do it again and make a truly epic game that we will all play and remember in 20 years
>>732967195>uh...
>>732967814Because people generally aren't still constantly playing Rogue or Goldeneye or SF2. The people that love Diablo II are still playing it often to this day. By design, it has near infinite replayability for the people that love it for what it is.
>>732967195>it's another top down 2d diablo clone>no thought>no innovation>same loot>same classes>same ideas throughout the entire gameHOLY FUCKING YAWNI've played this game and I've been playing it since d2, let's move the fuck on. Nioh, yeah I like it.Hellgate London, good attempt do betterShadow Warrior 2, didn't fitBorderlands, not badRemnant 1+2 I like it3D diablos have never been as good as d2 was. But they can be. top down has already been mastered it was mastered with d2. Keep striving for a good 3d one, you can do it faggots.
>>732967834proof?
>from the creators ofinstant red flag
>>732972552>FROM THE INTERN THAT WORKED THE MAILROOM DURING THE PRODUCTION OF
>>732967814>Or every fighting game had to be Street Fighter 2.I mean... for 2D fighters they were basically clones of Street Fighter 2 for almost a decade and the fundamentals of even the most recent ones are all owed to Street Fighter 2. There's still SF2 tournaments and the most recent update to the game wasn't TOO long ago. ffs Street Fighter 3 is old enough to be considered OLD and they're still hitting nostalgia by giving this new movie the SF2 setting and cast instead. I get what you're trying to say, but using SF2 is a bad example... It's the Diablo 2 of fighters.
>>732967195Interesting idea to add destructible terrain to an arpg but dunno how much difference that's gonna make in the long run. Might end up just being an annoying gimmick that prevents people from mindlessly farming. Art design looks decent but I am worried about the actual gameplay and RPG mechanics since almost everything in the trailer looked like the usual clunky melee + generic projectile spam that plagues many arpgs to this day. I might try it if the reviews aren't complete shit.
>>732967195There's never been a single game made by ex Blizzard devs that's worked.
>>732973273If I could cause avalances and rockslides or blow the terrain out from under enemies to kill them that'd be sick.
>>732973274Torchlight 1 and 2 were really good.
>>732967195Literally all the main D2 devs made posts ages ago on Arreat Summit website detailing exactly how they coded in all the various systems. They should look for internet archives, not sure if the posts exist anymore.For instance, they revealed in D2 there's an incremental magic find system built in where the longer you go without a magic item dropping, the higher your chance to get one becomes innately - to prevent creating edge cases where the bottom and top of the distribution curve of players get either completely carried or completely fucked over to the point of losing desire to play (that last bit is something many RNG games actually fail miserably at these days and could fix with this simple system).The system is also impacted by your magic find score on gear, but once you get any magic item, the value resets.There's tons of posts just like this. No one reads them, and then wonder why they can't figure out how to make a game that's already spilled the beans of the skeletal structure of design documentation.So it definitely should not be "the hardest game in the world to make" if they're not being retarded (spoilers: they're probably being retarded).
>>732967814diablo's best attribute is the grimdark horror atmosphere and I'm STILL laughing at how they decided to throw it away when they made diablo 3
>>732967195>sexier girls>shoulders wider than hipspassnot to mention it's ARPG L M A O
>>732973273>mindless farmingThat's not what the core gameplay should be. A real ARPG should keep you on your toes, through very limited resources and damage output and limited mitigation. You should actually play the game not treat it as background while listening to your favourite streamer blowing up goystacks through 1 button builds.
>>732973703That and Andariel's tits.
>>732967814their genre is just that shit. like souls games
>>732973743You say that but I'd argue that, that aspect of arpgs spawned the whole vampire survivors genre. People like watching their characters turn into little murder machines that can bulldoze through hordes of enemies. Besides, isn't that what Path of Exile 2 tried and it made people just mad? IMO a good arpg needs both. You need hard content where you need to pay attention and you need 'simple' content you can farm effectively if your build needs to get stronger to clear a difficulty spike.
>>732974815The issue is that 'difficulty' becomes "optimize your build or get 1 shot on a bad mod stack", and probably offscreen too. This is equally nonsense and the ultimate consequence of an easy mode default, where the only difficulty spike becomes not mechanics or execution, but whether you have 7 different resists and layers of EHP overcapped. A regular, sane difficulty where each enemy can significantly lay down the hurt, but you're consistently able to outplay them should be where it's at.
>Diablo 2 Warlock update still isn't crackedfugit is cracked but by ZClient :(
>>732967195>female>tattoosdead on arrival
>Will it work?goyslop's stil all the rage these days. D1 & D2 are still some of the shittiest games ever made and goycattle are still gobbling the remakes and DLC shit up greedily. why wouldn't these devs capitalize on the robust, retarded goycattle market in the Year of Our Ford CY+12?
>>732967814Cause it's the peak of the genre>PoE Don't know what that is, didn't ask. My niggA.
>sexy vidya girls are back on the menuGod I hope this sticks around for real this timeNow all we need are booth babes and it'll be like 90s vidya again except for the shit AAA games
>>732973775and the succubi tits too
>>732967195>former Diablo 1 and 2 devs>looks exactly like Diablo 3DoA
>>732976420I think you genuinely need to get your eyes checked.
>>732971250It's like Terminator 1 and 2. 1 had the best atmosphere but 2 has the best action.
>>732976714Or Alien and Aliens.
>>732967814/thread
>>732967814>why is fine wine appreciated more than corn syrup slop
Fucking love ARPGs man. I should play Darkstone again.
>>732967195>That character model I will now buy your game
>>732967195the loot being color coded in the inventory looks bad and they keep doing it
>>732967195It didn't work for Hellgate Londonit didn't work for Grim Dawn It will fail like all of the other ones. There has never been a good clone made by a "former dev"The only one that truly succeeded in the end was PoE.
>>732977182Grim Dawn is wildly successful and is about to have it's third expansion eventually?
>>732967814you're right of course, but they pale in comparison to the absolute ZEALOTS for ocarina of time.
>>732967195>Diablo 2 devs
>>732967814Every franchise has a peak that later games try to replicate. Castlevania Symphony of the Night is another such example. Look at how many clones it spawned.
>>732967195>washed out developers of your favorite game are making a spiritual successor even though they have no idea why their original game was so belovedNo, it never works.
>>732970126bro these niggas never learn lmaojust name ONE good game from these ex-blizzard and blizzard north devs
>>732967834>meticulously planned pacingwho cares, it has secrets behind breakable walls, thats cool.>ohhh nooo u can dig a crater with spells muh pacing is ruinedreally
>>732967814diablo 2 still has arguably the best itemization in the genre. the atmosphere is good.The talent system is ass though, granted, and the balance is pretty ass too but thats not as much of a big deal as people think. even nova was fine before the D2R buffs. it was a good skill even for a starter sorc actually, just not meta.
>>732978172Torchlight 1 and 2
>>732967195>former X is making YAh yes, how did those former Blizzard employees working on Stormgate pan out?
>>732978253the balance being shit is unironically a feature it makes everything feel actually distinct
>>732978274there is a difference between former d2 devs and former late stage wow and starcraft 2 devs. stormgate was a sad case though
>>732967195Add some Noita-tier chaos and terraforming spells I'll pick it up.
>>732967195No. People don't want a diablo 2 clone
>>732978429I think thats what the article is talking about when they say "minecraft" spells break terrain and create craters. i dont think you actually build anything like minecraft but i could be wrong, the video i watched about it is old.
>>732967195>build defining itemization>shows a bunch of stat sticks
>>732967814D3 did nothing wrong
>>732978939it was a terrible game and ruined a franchise for like 10 years. i could effort post a 10k word essay on how awful it was and all the things it did wrong
>>732969725Anon, don't look. And that's during a D4 sale.
>>732976812You can't stop us. Soon we have them all under our spell.
>>732967195Former devs leaving their company and then trying to make legally distinct versions of the popular games they're known for almost never works.
>>732979203How the fuck do you miss this badly
>>732978939Female Witch Doctor's hot.Hell, Female Monk and Barbarian's hot too for that matter.
>>732967195>largescale destructible environments >Diablo mixed with Minecraft>kickstarter giant red flagsthis is giving the same vibes as vanilla Diablo 3 bait-and-switch presentation trailer and these guys have nowhere near the Blizzard funding for that.this is going to fail hard
>>732978939I actually really like Diablo 3. It had a rough start but I think it ended up in a good place.
>>732979389Female Wizard (Azula) is hot too
>>732978939Apart from a butterfly killing Cain.And the RMAH.
>>732979801What are you talking about, he's fine.
>>732967814>play arpg>wish I was playing d2 instead>play modern "boomer shooter">wish I was playing doom insteadmany such cases
>>732978939Perfect game if you just want to relax and kill a ton of demons while listening to whatever music or shows you like. Satisfying effects, solid buttons, fun skills. Still sucks that you have fewer skills than you do in D2 when you enable casting by pressing the assigned keybind and also factor in item charges, but most ARPGs are pulling that bullshit nowadays for the sake of consoles or simplification.
>>732970838kinda enjoyed this game, could have used a bit more dev time when it first came out thoughwhatever happened to private servers, or korean/chineses versions or whatever the fuck
>>732979801>And the RMAH.AH was pure soul. The way they linked it into the game's drop tables wasn't. They shouldn't have axed that when they got rid of the RMAH.
>>732967195Depends. Is David Brevik actually involved? He actually made Marvel Heroes fun in the past before Disney came in and killed it.
>>732980512Pulled up the studio's website and no, but a lot of old BNorth guys seem to be in.
>>732980512Fuck that loser.
>>732974181Except there is endless debate on the best soulslike
>channeling minecraft>live service
>>73296781430+ nostalgiacucks sadly. They'll open their wallets like whores open their legs>>732967195Too bad this environment thing could be a disaster
>>732967195Too late someone already made a true successor to Diablo 2
>>732967814I've explained it so many times in the past 20 years, man. I've only talked about Morrowind more, probably.
>>732967195>diablo with survival crafting shitDeader than dead on arrival
>>732979981I couldn't get into Immortal was it was nice hearing Cain and the D2 necromancer's voices again.
>>732982113Not even remotely similar. Why do you keep promoting this shit in D2 threads lately?>this is the firs-No, it's not.
>>732978172guild wars
>>732967195Isn't that just V Rising?
>>732967814This but jrpgs and FF7 or ff10 or chrono trigger
>>732967195No, because gamers don't actually know that they want. And being contrarian is very in these days, so you could absolutely hit the mark on something and people would just shit all over it because it's edgy and against the grain.
TL1 and 2 were good.They could've been better but all you faggots were all MUH GRIMDARK ARTSTYLESo now we have Grim Dawn that looks ugly, ActiJewzard and and Exile online shit.There I said it.
>>732975638>The issue is that 'difficulty' becomes "optimize your build or get 1 shot on a bad mod stack"Isn't that what these games are about
>>732967814metroidvania faggots do it with metroid 3 which hollow knight just ripped off and reskinned it with bugs and childlike drawings
>sexier girlsNow you have my attention.
>>732967501>minecraftThe fuck you talking aboutI look at OP and they got a bitch in panties. Minecraft has like blocks an' shit. This looks as far from Minecraft as possible
>>732988764Holy twitter negro imbecile
>procedurally gener-Thanks but no thanks
>open world>procedurally generated>steel guitar trying to mimic an iconic ost>from the creators ofi swear to god man something sinister has happened to the collective human brain; everyone is a fucking idiot now
>>732967195WHOASKEDFORTHIS???????it's gonnna flop, they're gonna lose money and time, and then they will bitch and moan that for unknown reasons their product sold only 1000 copieshow many times it has to happen again for idiots to understand to stop making games nobody wants
>>732967195I'm in the private alpha, ama
>>732989097Is it actually trying to have minecraft elements or is that just marketing bs?
>>732989097why would i play this instead of D2?
>>732989097Post those sexier girls
Redpill me on no rest for the wcked.
>>732967195>former Diablo 1&2 devs>by the creators of apex and titanfall
>>732979131Is 6k supposed to be good for the best game ever?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEDyXnwJvZUliterally looks like highguard
>>732967195>female prog default character >Minecraft>slow>PvPlooks like we have the next concord boys!
>>732967195>former-So it's fucking garbago.
>create character>pick Wizard>name: BLAST DU FROMAGE>equip my wizard staff>stroll in to a cave prepared to kill a bear>cast fireball>the fireball misses the bear but hits the ceiling>the ceiling to caves in because environmental destruction like in Minecraft>oh no!here lies Blast du Fromage, died to cave-in
>>732989482>diablo but mmo, with no Kb&M support
>>732967814It's the same as the Classic WoW fags who insist that WOTLK was the peak of MMOs. That's just where they happened to stop playing, so they gaslight themselves into thinking that everything after was bad and that they got out at the right time. Diablo 2 was a great and important game but is mogged by dozens of subsequent game in the genre, including its own sequels. Anyone who claims otherwise is a casual who simply hasn't played anything newer.
>>732977824Symphony was already exceeded by Aria.
>>732977824SOTN is a boring piece of shit just like Diablo 2
>>732989161Its an ARPG first, crafting and terrain deformation second.
>>732967195I don't really care about western asthetics they're always going to be inferior to eastern anime characters. just want the game to play ok.
>>732989347Its pretty cool when your Sorc blink destroys walls that reveal new parts of the dungeon. It's fun. It isn't trying to JUST be Diablo 2, its trying to do something more. It does feel like Diablo 2 a lot though.
>>732967814the fighter genre is literally just street fighter 2 over and overgoldeneye is a fun but "bad" fps. people do share the same autistic love you bemoan for classic doom, we're 30+ years in and many still play the original game + there's literally a whole modern genre trying to channel it (boomer shooters)consider the problem does not lie with players who properly identify the pinnacle of a niche. you would never think of complaining people still play chess, go, or soccermany people, maybe you, have been brainwashed by corporations into thinking video games are disposable consumptionbut this is not the natural state of thingsanything truly worth it is by nature largely timeless
Any other questions?
>>732967195first few seconds of gameplay and i already notice how fucking pajeet it is lmao
>>732967814Goldeneye was surpassed by Timesplitters 2.
>>732967195>it's another Diablo 2 attempt
>>732978939>never brought controller support to PC
>>732967195i say let em cook
Ah yes, the weekly "former Blizzard devs are reinventing the bicycle" episode.
>channeling minecraftFucking whatHow?
Are we pretending now D2 didn't generate maps with every game you open!?
>>732993464D2 is not procedurally generated, it just picks between a couple of preset map layouts.
>>732967195No, zoomers don't like conventionally sexy girls.
>>732967814>Why are Diablolike fans so obsessed with Diablo 2?Nostalgia addicted uncs
>>732993525Maybe the big layout but shrines, enemies, crates and loot were always randomized aside from a few fix points
>>732993661Sure, I guess we can call it semi-random because there's always some variety, but there's also always some things that are the same. That's why you can reliably speedrun the game by recognizing the patterns of which set pieces the game decided to stitch together.
>>732967195>le difficult gameNormieniggers are a blight in thsi hobby.
>>732967195oh wow GIRLS? SEXY GIRLS?? that will totally sell me this rancid shit that is a mix of boring ass archaic left click simulator "action" rpg and fucking minecraft or whatever senseless blockshitholy shit this >>732967814 these ARPGs are so fucking boring. look at Ravenswatch or whatever just fucking innovate the formula and gameplay, even active dodge and block adds so much but I don't want to rainbow lightning explosion a whole screen of zero intelligence basic AI horde of enemies of the millions time to see bigger numbers pop on my screen as I'm getting blinded by the effect simultaneously jesus I'm 30 I'm fucking bored by 80% of games already
>>732967929Especially because we've already seen this exact scenario with Torchlight 1 and 2, both made by ex-D2 devs, both mediocre at best.
>>732973743I wish that 40k Inqusitor ARPG would have been this, I wish it so much that instead of sonic zooming through hordes it would have been a slower methodical game with using nades, cover and so on to win fights, but ofc we can't have that.
>>732993839Maybe you should try to understand the headline, before pretending to be angry, Pajeet.
>>732994017I dod my bset. SAAAAAAR
>>732967195>former blizz devDOA
>>732970273I'm sorry you had to play fortnite for your whole life.
Out of touch oldschool boomer here, i saw a video on d2 getting a new expansion.Can I get a qrd?
>>732994561Not an expansion. It's DLC with a new class and some QoL stuff.
>>732994561They added a gay necromancer with slightly more magic.Stash changes are really nice though. Jewels get sorted automatically and crafting is now way easier. And a bunch of little changes.
>>732990137>WOTLK was the peak of MMOsIt was the peak of WoW, story-wise. Matrix Online was the peak of MMOs.>Diablo 2 was a great and important game but is mogged by dozens of subsequent game in the genre, including its own sequelsNah. I like D4 in its current state but it's not as good as 2, sadly. 3 is kind of a meme.
>>732970273imagine being this mad that people enjoy a good game for a long timediablo 2 was made by blizzard north, not blizzard
>>732967195I'd play it.
>>732993854>oh wow GIRLS? SEXY GIRLS?? that will totally sell me this rancid shit that is a mix of boring ass archaic left click simulator "action" rpg and fucking minecraft or whatever senseless blockshitCalm down tranny.
>>732994642The new class looks straight out of Dragon Age Flopguard.
>>732994979>Matrix Online was the peak of MMOs.Superb taste, anon-sama. The fact that it never got a proper private server is tragic.
>>732995617suck my dick, nigger, devs should offer me a good game first, tits are secondary
>>732967195There is no room on this market already. Grim Dawn, Torchlight, etc. there have been dozens of contenders and Path of Exile won in the end. GGG won. You can seethe and shart about it as much as you like, but as far as isometric action comes, they fucking won.
>>732982113these devs should make a diablo clone
>>732990137>Classic WoW>WotLKClassic WoW refers to WoW without any expansions you fucking retard. And the game went to shit with TBC.
>former Diablo devs made Torchlight and Guild Wars>but they also made Hellgate LondonDo you trust them?
>>732967195Sounds gay. Games shouldn't have playable female characters.
>>732967195If they truly wanted to improve on the formula then they should get rid of that awful top-down perspective, there is no reason not to have a third person camera in 2026.
>>732996807>there is no reason not to have a third person camera in 2026.wut
>>732988764Read the OP post, you dumb giganigger.
>>732988958All diabloids have been proc gen since Diablo 1, buddy
>runes written on body instead of in gearI had this exact idea and now if I ever use it making something it'll look like I ripped it off. At least the rest of the thinking I've been doing around runes and gear will still be unique.
>>732998643Tattoos as a game play mechanic is at least as old as Planescape Torment, just do it, no one will care if it's a ripoff
>>732978939Diabo have titties lol no. The concept of being taken over for all eternity is cool but not the execution of it.
>>732967195Yes, yes it will. The only downside of original Diablo was the miniscule inventory, that's pretty much it. Maybe buff the skills that aren't splash damage, because sooner or later everybody goes to AoE in these games ... which is sweet, but lacks variety.
>>732998803Of course it is, but being attached to something clearly derived from D2 runes makes it pretty clearly the same idea.
>>732998643It looks like they've just turned runes into a second set of equipment with specific body part slots, so do runewords socketed on the body or whatever and it's still all good.
>>732967195>Diablo 2 remake>with that item/inventory artThey failed miserably before they even started.
>>732967814Gambling addiction. It is as simple as that.
>>732969029>it invented and perfected a genre>invented>perfect>a genre>genre
>>732967814>"why are fan of [X] so obsessed with a random old ass game?">while using VtM:Bloodline as imageSelf-awareness is hard.
>>732967834>Diablo 1 & 2>level designAnon, I love those games but they had barely acceptable procedural generation since the beginning.Being able to fuck it up a bit more isn't going to break anything.
>>732970146>The game is so goodYou mean addiction is so strong. Its like a junkie trying to relive the highs after years going dry.
>>732967195>former dev ofWhat was their job *actually*?Or is it the usual "cousin of the janitor's babysitter" and other "I was lead on the last 5 days of the project"?
>>732967195The artstyle looks complete ass
>>732969987Gimmick builds/challenge runs with self-imposed restrictions are also popular.
>>732969463>the greatness of d2 really comes from its top tier game feel, from the very start of the game it feels good to click on enemies and in general interact with the gameDiablo 3 has INCREDIBLY good "game feel". The feeling and feedback from attacking monsters in D3 is absolutely leagues ahead of D2 (not that I think D2 doesn't do it well) and the one completely unqualified complement you can give it. It's just that D3 dropped the ball on every single other aspect of making a game possible.
>>732975917tomorrow, check that site
>>732969463>the greatness of d2 really comes from its top tier game feelNope. It comes from addiction. It pulls you in, gives you a high - a satisfying action game - and reels you in because you are still chasing that same high you got after killing a few mooks and getting lvl 2.
>former xyz devs dropped
>>732969463There's nothing that Diablo 2 does or did that other games haven't done it after
>>732977596No, you're beyond wrongOoT might be that to Zelda fans OoT is not that to Zeldalikes. No Zeldalikes want to be OoT. Dark Souls was inspired by Zelda OoT but it wasn't trying to be OoT.Another example, Super Metroid.Super Metroid is the Diablo 2 to Metroid fans.Super Metroid is not Diablo 2 to Metroidvania fans. You don't see game developers going after Super Metroid to recapture the feel of Super Metroid like you see in ARPG game devs going for Diablo 2
>>732986752Hollow Knight is nothing like Super Metroid
Whenever I read or hear the word "Minecraft" I lose all interesting, at light speed.
>>732967195Looks like generic slop.No Rest for the Wicked will bury it.
>>733001165t. Tom
>>732999845>Diablo 3 has INCREDIBLY good "game feel"agreed but d3 sucks in various other ways which is why it is such a shamesomehow they fucked up the feel in d4 even when they used d3 as a base to develop it
>>733000638>a satisfying action gameyou said it yourself and the rest is cope>>733000727sure yeah there's plenty of games that have done those things but never all of them in combination well enough to result in a game that's better
I don't understand the fascination with Diablo 2. Like, nothing ever replaced StarCraft. Classic WoW I understand since it strikes a sweet spot in time for being an older style of MMO without the crust games like Everquest have. Diablo 2? Even if you dislike modernized ARPGs, you could just be playing fucking Grim Dawn that's just Diablo 2 again.
>>732967195I'm playing the alpha.No idea if the "minecraft" stuff will be more than it is now but the sound design combined with the feedback you get when using strong skills that literally change the landscape is bretty gud.Right now the build we have is nothing, not even 25% of the game, no even the UI is finished yet, there's a long way to go but the gameplay is really solid, the itemization seems to be going in the right direction, i like the new rune system they made with the tattoos.
>>733002028dishonest to claim grim dawn plays anywhere close as good as d2 and the itemization in it is garbage
>>733002074Environmental destruction doesn't seem to add anything to the gameplay. It's one of those flashy gimmicks that they will use to market the game It wasn't included because it makes it a better game.
>>732994642>check warlock gameplay>powercreeps necro and druid so fucking hard That guy looks a literal pay2win or pay2farmbetter class.
>>732967814Try having a fantasy 4X thread without someone referencing Master of Magic
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>>732967195>"Sexy female characters ">Mandatory tattoos to be competitive
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>>732967814>Why are Diablolike fans so obsessed with Diablo 2?It's the foundation of all loot based top down ARPGs simply put
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>>732967195Diablo is a shit game in a shit genre.
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>>732967814D2 is the best in the genreit's just that simple
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>>732967195>rebottle D2>live service>"channeling Minecraft"it's DOA
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>>733002842id argue poe1 is better but with d2 being its foundation i can see the counter to that
>>732979801>And the RMAH.the rmah paid for my game lol.
>>733001808You have 0 reading comprehension.
>>733002028>I don't understand the fascination with Diablo 2Gambling. Plain and simple.
>>732980653>no matt uelmanexplains that absolutely fucking horrible trailer "music".
>>732967195>Concord, ARPG EditionHow about now?
>>733002347>Environmental destruction doesn't seem to add anything to the gameplay>seemIt CAN add to the gameplay.>kill a tough enemy by exploiting environmental hazards, like collapsing a building/outcrop on it>make a shortcut by destroying a wall>seal off an enemy by collapsing a passage/wall>gain traversal opportunities by destroying or moving objects to access ledges/underpasses/etc>skip level/boss
>>732967195I don't play as women in these kinds of gamesalso the camera is generally zoomed out far enough that I don't really give a fuck what my character looks likeand for a cutthroat genre like RPGs I imagine people will give less of a fuck about their outlet for AGP and more about if the combat, loot and content are actually enjoyable and replayable for hundreds of hours
>>733002479I bought this during the Christmas sale and still haven't played it, I have to get on that
>>732967814I read this on his voice
>>733003312In practice you'll just make pits wherever you use skills and it will become more annoying to navigate the post-battle hellscape.
>>732967195Diabloniggers will never care about this kind of thing. They just want to run around and remove screens of enemies with a single skill as fast as possible.
>desaturated colour palette>background lacking any eyecatchers of any kind>plastic models that meld into the background>floaty, gliding movements>rollslop>shitty auto-aim controlsDead on arrival. Things like this made Diablo 2 cool. Until they go back to realizing that hand-crafted and hand-painted things, including death animations, are superior, there will not be a true Diablo 2 successor.
>>733004831>They just want to run around and remove screens of enemies with a single skill as fast as possible.that's poenigs though
>>732967195sexo character designbut personally I am more hopefull someday some modder will make an awesome total conversation mod for Hytale to bascially turn it into DnD where you can easily craft campaigns for your friends and drop all kinds of enemies and loot for them.
The actual, current peak in the genre is Grim Dawn, not sure why even mention Diablo II ('from the makers of X' means nothing), that game is fucking shit once you take nostalgia glasses off.
>>732978939>Gacha online shitDidn't even bother to pirate that garbage
>>732967195>chasing another lightning in a bottle game megahitThese ex-Diablo devs have been trying to replicate D2 for decades now instead of doing their own thing.Sad
>>732969294>the best talent Blizzard ever had even to this very day>the worst???
>>733006550>we've made original cocaine!>now we are no longer in control of the company that made it>so we have made a new company and will try to make cocaine that is even better than OG cocaine!*fails miserably*>people's expectations were too high!>we did not drip-feed them enough!>we did not market it enough!>we did not hype it even higher!>its hard to please customers!*they cut cocaine with 90% by volume flour*Yeah, i wonder why. Fucking retards.
>>733006009>grim dawn>peak of anythinglmao
