What happened? No one seems to care about this anymore. No native games for Linux. All major multiplayer games are kill.
>>733037823HLX will be a native Linux game
shits a waste of time. just have windows on a dedicated gaming pc
>>733037823>No native games for LinuxI wonder why
>>733038095
>>733038095now show the date of this tweet
>>733037823>No one seems to care about this anymoreWhen nearly everything works, there's not much to talk about. I hope worst case you use Win10 ltsc at least, not the shittiest 11.>All major multiplayer games are killOnly if by "major" you only play Roblox and Fortnite. CS2, OW, ARC Raiders etc... stuff work. I guess we missed out such kinos like Highguard.
>>733037823>switch to linux>spend a weekend making sure your files are safe and swap>random shit just doesn't werk or is so different from windows you get lost>file system is confusing switching over>million distros all with different potholes that can fuck you over (ex: mint sucking for gaming despite being one of the most shilled ones)>dozens of different programs just to run stuff when its a .exe on windows that just werks>said dozen different programs all have unique quirks and will randomly break because mercury is in retrograde>go fuck yourself if you have an nvidia gpu >troubleshooting is obnoxious because google search results are years old forum posts/youtube videosLinuxfags are the biggest serial gaslighters too. Linux just werks and if you have a problem you are a microjeet shill. And if you can prove you actually do have a problem its not linux's fault its your fault. And if it isn't user error and shit just fucking broke for no reason its a skill issue that you don't know how to fix it (no shit windows is probably the sole OS the guy used for his entire life prior to switching to linux.)
>>733038095literally who
>>733038095What game even was this?
>>733037823>>733038095There are native Linux games released in Steam every day.https://store.steampowered.com/search?sort_by=Released_DESC&category1=998&os=linux>but those are almost all indieAs was always the case. Mainstream games being ported to Linux has always been an anomaly. If you only want mainstream games then there's a disproportionately high chance that you're just gonna use the mainstream OS anyway because you're a mainstream person i.e. a normie.
>>733039050>Every thread with the same baitsAre you new to /v/ or something? If you want to actually discuss something it's anywhere but here
>>733037823I'm happy with the current state of linux and honestly I wouldn't want more people to migrate and enshittify the platform.
>>733039050People who just want to discuss Linux gaming without drama go to >>>/vg/lgg. This board is for shitposting and arguing with idiots.
>>733038095>7 years agoThis guy is a massive retard btw.Meanwhile, a dev who sees Linux the right way...https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/qeqn3b/despite_having_just_58_sales_over_38_of_bug/inb4 >reddit
>>733039404Might as well.
>>733038095Except that those problems all likely exist on other platforms too and the Linux users are trained in filing good bug reports with crash dumps and reproduction steps.
linux is shit but I prefer the problems of linux to the problems of windows
>>733038095>Our Linux port, for which we were fully responsible, was broken. Would totally skip Linux.People get mad at this tweet, and it's annoying that he seems oblivious to the fact that his company's own software was at fault, but developers who don't do a good job at porting to Linux and just cry about crashes are the ones who SHOULD skip Linux. Native games are good when done well but nobody needs bad ports.And no it's not about Linux users being more diligent bug reporters. He wrote "auto reported". So their Linux port actually did crash more than the Windows version if his story is to be believed. But it's the developers' fault unless the OS is so fucky that every Linux game crashes all the time, and my anecdotal experience says most games don't crash.
>>733040230Too nuanced for this brain-rot board. Next time please write "Linux good, Windows bad" or vice versa.
>>733040230linux problems are like potty and food training your puppy dogwindows problems are like trying to hold back a pitbull that can break its muzzle
>>733038873grim..as much as I hate Win11, I consider staying cuz of this post
>>733038873>>file system is confusing switching overHow?>install Linux Mint>open file explorer>documents folder is /home/anon/Documents>pictures folder is /home/anon/Pictures>/usr/bin, /usr/lib, /var, /etc, and so on literally don't matter because the average user shouldn't be manually doing anything in those folders>least intuitive thing a user actually needs to know is that programs install configuration files under /home/anon/.config and data files under /home/anon/.local/share, and this fact only needs to be learned once
>>733040746>have problem on linux >resolved with a line in the terminal>have problem on windows>SAAR DO THE NEEDFUL AND REINSTALL THE WONDARS
>>733038873Works on my machine. User issues.
>>733037823Gabe didn't come through with the steam machine
>>733038095>Linux uses we'rewintoddlers...
>>733041076>have problem on Windows >quick registry edit>have problem on linux >remember I'm heterosexual and don't run linux
>>733044771lolhttps://unlocked.microsoft.com/pride/
>>733044905>says "lawl">tries to say he's not a faggot
>>733045113Seethe.
>>733045113you're a faggot, you windows troonjeet hijramicrosoft has spent actual money defending faggots and planted a fag flag on the taskbar
>>733039690>linux users are accustomed to bugs happening all the time because of their shit choice in oslmao
>>733037823My only problem with Linux is I can't get Koikatsu Party working anymore. Either the patch doesn't uncensor the nudity or the text is all still Japanese. Windows, you installed the patch and applied the updates in mod manager, and it worked.
>>733045437Windows isn't perfect either, buddy.
Developers are telling each other to devlop for proton, not native. There is no reason to make native Linux binaries.
>>733045437Text editor works on my machine and doesn't have remote code execution. How much do you typically have to lube up when Microsoft fucks you?
>>733037823Everyone just use proton on linux, because at least for games it end up being the same shit, if not slightly better.Game engines focus all the effort on DX12 instead of vulkan.And DXVK turns DX12 into vulkan better than the native underfunded attempts.
>>733045297Never seen the fag flag. Show me evidence that isn't a screencap of a reddit post.
native linux is pointless with proton
>>733046470"Dude that wanted to see 2B ass on linux"-sama's work is just godly
>>733037823its more popular to talk about linux than ever now than valve will sell u a linux handheld computer for 350 bucks
>>733038095the counter post to this was another dev who said windows users hardly ever reported bugs but linux users who were used to being on public issue trackers reported a ton of bugs which helped fix the game for everyone since most of their issues were platform agnostic
>>733046997>waah game broken>sir, i reverse engineered your game, and it seems like there are some NaNs popping up in your physics engine on that function that writes to the dynamic array
>>733047218
>>733037823I converted last year and it works so well there's nothing to talk about, really. It may just be my tastes but I haven't encountered a game that won't work yet and I play multiplayer games with my friend every Thursday. The windows stockholm syndrome dissipated really quickly.
>>733047218>nans popping up
>>733039087It says it in the tweet.
>>733048754Every number divided by zero or similar will turn into a "not a number".Every operation with a not a number has not a number as a result.It spreads across the code, going far and wide and fucking everything in the way, and gets into the GPU and spreads on it too
>>733046462https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/4319179/how-do-you-remove-pride-flag-from-task-barstraight from the horse's mouth, microsoft hijra
>>733049920>20 pages of people either suggesting how to remove it of being grateful that it can be removed
>>733050160and? you wanted proof that it existedand it did, microsoft hijrastop moving the goalposts, windows is made for faggots so much so that it was a default for people
>>733050290I'm not that guy or even discussing with you directly, i just find amusing HOW MANY people are desperately trying to remove it.It's incredible.
>>733050346oh, sorry thenhard to deduce intent from that one line
Going back to Linux after being with Windows 11 for a bit. I do gaming, but also some 3D work on the side, using stuff like Blender, Substance 3D Painter, zBrush. Should I stick with Mint or try something else?>adobe software>linuxYes I know. We'll burn that bridge when we get there.
>>733050496No worries, just enjoy the chaos
>>733050601CachyOS
>>733050601Something arch-based is probably the safest bet for gaming I think. Rolling release seems scary but when it comes to vidya shit getting updated more often makes things more convenient, not less. Some basic desktop distro with KDE like endeavor or cachy so you can get something ez that mostly works like you'd expect it to and soak up all the good support it's getting because of the steam deck.
>>733050601try cachyos if it doesnt work out mint is ur backup
>>733038095>Linux users file more bug reports because the ecosystem they are in prompts community effort>"Guys you should just skip Linux"Dudes face looks shareholder coded as fuck, even if he is a dev. What a fucking retard.
>>733039269How the fuck would Linux be enshitified?Canonical is the most "enshittified" distro coder, and by the standards of Microsoft, Google and Apple, they are basically fucking saints.
>>733051748>release foss but refuse to learn qt/gtk and instead make ur shit electron>stop supporting legacy users (nvidia, xorg)>only package as flatpak/snap>normalize atomic/immutable distros which restrict the users ability to tinker
>>733051949That's not enshittification, that's just shit you don't like. And you can always change distros dumbfuck. Use basic Arch.
>>733052151ENSHITTIFICATION IS LITERALLY JUST SHIT U DONT LIKE ANON
>>733050601Depends if you need newer packages and whatnot. If you do, then something based on Arch or Fedora, with the latter being more stable and having secure boot support out the box.
>>733037823This is good. Keep retards away from Linux. The less new users the better.
>>733040336The real reason why you should skip Linux is the lack of a stable API. Nobody is supporting a single player game past launch apart from fixing some obvious bugs.Most games are just blobs of code that don't heavily depend on any OS specific things which makes a native port redundant. The effort of a native Linux port is better spent on just making the game run on Vulkan across all platforms.
Here's a funny problem I wonder if someone might know.I booted up a game I haven't played in a few months and the text is now comedically and unplayably large.
>>733051949Nobody wants to support xorg because Wayland is finally usable. Even xfce is getting support for it with a complete compositor rewrite.
>>733039690do you think he knows the damage he was causing with that kind of post?
>>733052908THEN FORK A PROJECT AND MAINTAIN IT YOURSELF.
>>733054783Are you using a 4k monitor or something? it could be a fuck up with scale.If not try using an older version of wine, from the time you played it the last time using lutris or bottles.
>>733054783Display scaling settings?
>>733055751I've tried swapping various runners between proton, wine GE, and UMU. None of them seem to affect it. Its a 1440p monitor but I play in windowed mode and it wasn't like this some months ago. For example here's how its supposed to look (on my windows 7 machine)>>733055925I don't use scaling at all, and its just the actual system text fonts and none of the graphics.
>>733055981I feel like you're missing a font. The text is not only bigger but it's different font.
>>733055981I mean more finding an older version of the runner, could be a regression.
>pedogames don't work on linux>aaa mp sloppa don't work eitherBased. Further proof that Linux is the best platform for gaming.
>>733037823proton is better than native
>>733055981If you haven't already, dumping the fonts from a Windows install to ~/.fonts helps fix a lot of random wine font issues.
>>733056410Oh yeah first thing I did when migrating over was copying my autistic font collection over including system fonts, though I had issues getting some of my favorite really old ones to work because they were in .fon format and not recognized.
Because games just work on Windows, and don't just work on Linux, and most people don't care for the added hassle
>>733057486Every game worth playing works on Linux. If you're a retard and messed something up, that's your fault.
>>733037823I don't care, still using Linux and playing Caves of Qud
>>733051748Atomic distros are gaining traction because normalfags are too retarded>inb4 that's not enshi- Your average atomic distro is more restrictive than Windows, if you want to use MacOS buy a Mac.
>>733056365No those work just fine, I just messed something up with fonts somewhere in an esoteric way I didn't realize and didn't notice because I haven't played in in months.
Was worried about VNs before making the switch, but surprisingly I've had much better luck getting them to work on Linux than Windows. There are a few older ones I hadn't been able to run on modern Windows but I got them to work through Lutris.
>>733038857nice desktop kasumi bro
>>733057753Atomic distros can play games that Mac can't
>>733057753If you don't want to use an atomic distro, just don't use one you silly retard. This has zero impact on more serious distros and never will. You seem like a newfag who doesn't understand how Linux works.
>>733058075Still, they are too restrictive, I was a Windowstard and switched to CachyOS in 2024, my install has yet break like many Bazzite fags told it would happen, meanwhile I see a lot of Bazzite fags crying for help on how to do basic shit because their nanny OS doesn't let them do with traditional methods.
I just switched to linux
there's honestly not much to talk about because it works so well now. I just install games on steam and play them, exactly like I did on windows 10. I'm so used to linux superiority that I never think about windows anymore and forget I'm on a "different" operating system until something like this thread reminds me. Playing Barony right now
>switch to cachyOS >my backup drives don't get mounted automatically>have to fuck around with some fstab file to get it to happen on bootI want to go back to Mint.
>>733058524Both Plasma and GNOME have GUI tools for managing drives.
>>733037823>No native games for Linux.The important part is you are able to play them on GNU+Linux, not that they suck that commie's cock by putting a penguin on the box.
>>733050496He is that guy. He's a lying cis macro$haft shill.
P-Please don't make fun of me after that bazzite drama... I have a TV hooked up and it's also the only way to have HDR and steam overlay at the same time...
>>733057813Game name ?
How is EndeavorOS? I really don't want to do CachyOS, feels like a hacky and moddy interpretation of what a bunch of script bros think the Arch experience should be.
>>733058524install gnome-disks then all you have to do is tick a box
>>733058928If it works and is not working against you, then it works.
>>733059027Just go with Cachy if you want a curated experience, it's a much more active project with historically less issues than any other curated arch derivative
>>733059027>hacky and moddy interpretation of what a bunch of script bros think the Arch experience should be.
>>733037823Can't have games on a dynamically linked operating system.
>>733037823>native gamesI wondered why anyone would care but then I realized gaymers are obsessed with exclusives around here. That said, ABI stability for proprietary apps is a shitshow so I could hardly expect any dev to make a native port, unless they specifically want to optimize for linux features like factorio supposedly does by using fork. Most game devs can't code well (not entirely their fault as they aren't given sufficient time or pay), and probably benefit from having an abstraction layer made by competent devs sitting between them and the system. Windows has this too, it's why drivers get updates designed for specific games.The only native linux games I would play are source ports and other open source stuff, but even then you get basically the same result running through proton lol.>>733059027You can just ignore the weird helper button stuff and use it as arch that has a nice default setup out of the box. Cachy is perfectly fine.>>733057753>Your average atomic distro is more restrictive than WindowsNo, atomic is just a different approach, not more restrictive, you can still modify the system all you want. In some ways it's cleaner, modifying system files willy nilly always grosses me out a little. Its problems largely come from programs not expecting it and bad ergonomics. I wouldn't use it right now, but it's not worth hating. Might even be better in the end for most people.
>>733061150I truly, genuinely do not get why people complain about ABI breaks on LinuxWhenever ABI is broken for a library, devs always bump the sover of the relevant shared library.Worst case you just download the source code of an ancient version of libpng or libjpeg or whatever then compile and install just the shared library and then things generally work.This is of course assuming the dev isn't a complete fucking moron that did something like compile their game on arch against the most recent glibc version. If you don't want your proprietary game to break horribly then you have to compile it on debian stable or centos.
>>733062027Steam Linux Runtime makes a lot of old proprietary native games work anyway. Even the Linux version of the original Super Meat Boy just works. Is it the best way to play the game? Probably not, because people say the Linux build is severely outdated. But the Linux port of the game being unmaintained and still working just proves my point about compatibility not being an issue despite people always trying to claim that native games break two years after release. Even if they no longer run with Arch Linux's latest packages, the whole point of Steam Linux Runtime is to provide the stable development target that people pretend doesn't exist, and Steam uses it by default so you'd usually have to explicitly disable it in order to have issues with old Steam games not liking your native system packages.
>>733063330I hate every single fucking container format designed for retards with the passion of a thousand suns. And I still blame OpenPandora for starting this with their shitty PND format.It's getting harder and harder to keep the steam runtime disabled because STEAM_RUNTIME=0 is no longer the magic switch it once was. Now you also have to make an empty compatibility tool that has no dependencies and just executes whatever arguments are passed to it directly ("$@") and override the sniper runtime (STEAM_RUNTIME_SNIPER=<path>) to that, plus bindmount this fake runtime over all the other steam runtime folders in steamapps/common after steam has started up. Otherwise, steam uses the runtime for webkit, and will try to use it for newer proton versions even if you've exported STEAMR_RUNTIME=0.In conclusion: no. Fuck you.
>tfw using linux but have pretty much zero technical knowledge about how it all worksI just click play on Steam and the game starts.
>>7330455676 hours later and this didn't get a response. I'd claim "curious", but the shitposter playbook is well know.
>>733037823I'm just using it not talking about it
>>733037823My games just work on linux, don't need to play multiplayer spyware games full of they/them characters, you can keep your highguards and maratroons
>>733062027>I truly, genuinely do not get why people complain about ABI breaks on Linuxkys
>>733063918runtimes are how we get cross distro compatibility on linux. there's really no other way.also flatpak > snap > appimage
>>733038086>just have windowsHow humiliating that the "dedicated" gaming OS completely shits itself any time you need to download and install a game and renders your PC useless until at least 24 hours after installation is complete
>>733045297Bazaar has fag flags all over the settings panel and I double fucking dare you to ask the devs how to remove them.
>>733066712What's bazaar?
>>733066712Bazaar is an optional piece of community software THOUGH.
>>733066769A flatpak installer that's installed by default in bazzite
>>733066769the best faltpak downloader
>>733066806The best flatpak downloader is the command line
>>733066852>try installing flatpak through terminal>flatpak install standard application name>no you must use flatpak install cum.applicationname.whateverthefuckIshatthismorning otherwise I have no idea what you're talking about
>>733066852command line is good when you know what you're looking for as you get just type flatpak install $pkgname apps like bazaar are better when you want to explore, look at app screenshots, read app descriptions...
>>733066959flatpak stores will tell you that standard applications are harmful and highly risky because they use X11
Flatpaks are a meme anyway.>but muh immutab-Exactly. A meme.
>>733066948that's not how it works though.
>>733067034They're being pushed everywhere too.openSUSE and Fedora are full of shills that will tell you that you have to flatpak it all up instead of doing things traditionally. Instead of solving the mystery of codecs they will go ahead and tell you how flatpaks are so much more secure and you should consider doing everything through them instead.
>>733067067True it shows you a whole unarranged list of shit instead
>>733067418It's right there
>>733067649>>733067418based brazil
>>733067649>flatpak install zen>literal name of the application is zen, not zen browser, not zen faggot, zen>doesn't install zen
>>733067752it avoids name collision. frontend apps like bazaar hide that part if you prefer.
>>733067649for an official publication, that is a dogshit description for discoverability
What do you think about the openly gay collective?
>>733038857what's that image viewer?
I will always not laugh when modern windows users have the same arguments that console users had against PC gaming.
>>733050601substance painter has a native linux version on steam
>>733067990I just read that CachyOS declined to become part of it because Bazzite kicked out one of their important contributors (apparently he did a heckin' transphobia) and also OGC includes some dudes called Playtron who make some crypto shit distro.Seems like Cachy dodged a bullet.
>>733068479Much asCachy has been giving me issues, I want to stay well away from anything like aurora, bazzite, hell anything related to any of that nonsense. I don't want men in fucking tutus telling me what I should use. These "people" look like Games Done Quick veterans LARPing as contributors. I bet this guy is as obnoxious as he looks in real life.
>>733068479bazzite ditched their kernel maintainer and they need an alternative. this kind of thing is why it's always a risk installing small time distros. it's a small team with a lot of pressure working for free, it's rare for these projects to not burn out.
>>733038873>>go fuck yourself if you have an nvidia gpuIt's not that bad but still people warned you about green jew.
>>733057961Ty>>733068070qimgv
>>733068479>>733068628>>733068694You guys realize this shit is why people are reluctant to leave windows right? There are like 100 different versions of linux floating around and majority of them are ran by trannies who have no idea what they're doing, this is the opposite of user friendly, windows has its problems but at least it's familiar and doesn't require being involved in a fucking discord server to learn developer backstories before knowing which thing to install
>>733068789who asked
>>733051748I am convinced that Canonical/Ubuntu/GNOME haters simply hate the distro because they can't tinker with settings like tinkertrannies
>>733068789>There are like 100 different versions of linux floating aroundthere aren't. the core is always the same. linux. systemd. mesa. and a desktop environment like GNOME.distros are glorified package managers.
>>733068821Literally everyone who is considering their current OS you retarded tranny
>>733068789your holy grail OS is transitioning to Rustwelcome aboard sis! the rent is free.
>>733068789If you hate trannies so much you shouldn't be using windows at all, go use Artix.
>>733068789Anon...Have you considered that's intentional?
>>733037823My chinese bootleg controller doesn't work on linux
>>733068939I have been told a dozen times on /v/ to use bazzite and in this thread I am reading that bazzite is bad. Why should I trust your word that "artix" is good with zero explanation? Linuxniggers never explain anything, you gatekeep the information then wonder why nobody wants to use it.
>>733068891What people fail to realize is that Microsoft -will-eventually use Linux as a kernel.
>>733068857>there aren't.To a person coming in fresh and not in the know about all the Linux jargon, there absolutely are a hundred plus different versions.This is not something you can just tell a Windows user not to worry about either,>oh don't worry, it's just a different desktop environment and package manager, pick whichever one you like :)they will *absolutely* freeze up and go crawling back to Windows because making the wrong choice is more taxing than just enduring another day of broken features and AI and telemetry.
>>733069019An artix dev told a tranny they would never be a woman, but why are you even pretending to hate trannies so much when you use windows?
>>733068857>there aren't.>>bro you gotta use lollipop its the best OS trust me>no lollipop is trash you need to install assplug its way more optimized>>assplug is shit it was made by trannies you need to install candycane 2.5 with cottoncandy 9.1 upgrades>cottoncandy is compromised by microsoft shills you need to install candycane 1.8 with KYjelly 0.72 instead>>candycane distro was confirmed incompatible with dentaldam interface, you should use twizzlershaft OS it's way better>twizzlershaft devs put rainbow flags on their toolbar i think licorice 1.4 is the best choice right nowalright ill think about it
>>733044771>quick registry editFake made up Windows problem. There is a very small set of problems in Windows that can be fixed using registry editor, and honestly you shouldn't have those problems in the first place because they are typically caused by either user retardation or running limited user account.
>>733059027EndeavourOS is Arch with a user friendly installer and some extra tools to make it more friendly to retards.It's about as close to Arch you can get without literally running Arch.
>>733068789There's only really three or so choices when it comes to Windows, and for your average consumer who doesn't know how to computer, it's even less than that. There should absolutely be some kind of Linux bloodsports with the intent of culling the hobbyist, undesirable distros out of their right to use the word. Linux could actually take off with the uninitiated suffering from analysis paralysis if your only three choices were Mint as a jumping off point and then some variant of Arch if you're feeling slightly saucier down the road.Maybe this will happen when SteamOS comes out, people trust valve and will naturally gravitate towards it.
>>733069792>analysis paralysisMore like overanalysis paralysis. 99% of the time the choice doesn't really matter. Sure, sometimes having the latest packages in a rolling release distro is neat but ultimately if it works and you like it then that's all that matters.
>>733069792>it's even less than that.0, specifically. The normalfags have 0 choices.
>>733037823Native Linux Gaming.>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWS8qgz9OBY
>>733069792People claiming they're waiting for SteamOS will continue to just use Windows for the rest of their lives even after it releases.
>>733069985SOVL
>>733070019-LESS
>>733070160-LY SOVLFUL
>>733069948as it should be, left to their own devices normalfags will do stupid shit like disabling updates.
>>733070340There's that quintessential linuxtroon smugness.
>>733070547pretty sure you'll find the exact same smugness in most developers. i'll remind you half of people are stupider than the average, those people use pcs too.
>all major multiplayer gamesNo, all major competitive multiplayer games. But you shouldn't be playing games like that in 2026 because they're fucking ass now. Completely filled with brain dead retards or straight up cheaters. On top of that you have to give random companies low level access to your computer so they can run "anticheat" that doesn't actually prevent any cheats from running. They're not fun and they're also fucking malware.
>>733070594That's the thing, most people shouldn't have to be trained engineers just to be able to use a computer. In your mind you think the internet should be 50 people communicating back and forth on a LAN server like it was in the 1960s when it was strictly a military technology. Ironically all you end up doing is pushing more people towards shittier systems
>>733071058good, why is their retardation my problem
>>733071469You aren't a software engineer so it isn't your problem, you're just the kind of faggot that thinks everything should be gatekept for no reason other than a 5 year old being territorial over their toys.
>>733069407You're confusing spinoffs for things that matter.
>>733071732None of the base distros are actually decent.
>>733071058this is exactly why modern software is designed for the lowest common denominatorlook at android, a retard could use it, and plenty actually do.
>>733072141There is a middle ground that both you and microsoft jeets are missing, a middle ground that existed in the late 90s and early 2000s which has been completely abandoned for the current slop
>>733069995Even if valve can go absolutely apeshit flooding the market with gabecubes to show all the normies how good SteamOS is I'd bet the amount of people running steamOS on their own hardware would be a small blip. You'd probably have more linux users converting over to try it out than windows users migrating. The market share is only going to make a big move if a lot of PCs come packaged with it, installing linux really couldn't be any more retard easy than it already is. Anyone who's saying >I'll switch when...is not actually all that bothered enough by windows to look for an alternative and is probably just going to keep putting up with it
>>733072412>You'd probably have more linux users converting over to try it out than windows users migrating.Bullshit, if it works out of the box then people will move. This is the thing you retards don't understand, people want something that JUST FUCKING WORKS. Windows XP, vista, even 7 were all functional systems that worked fine without extra steps. People don't move to linux because it requires research and extra steps that nobody except enthusiasts are willing to take. Make it simple and people will come, it's not that complicated to understand.
>>733037823>playing marvel rivals on my Fedora>playing whatever on my Fedora>pever did anything with Proton myself>only games I can't play are the shittiest time wasting shit with anal anticheat>thanks, Gaben
>>733071732mint or arch?discuss i've only used mint and for a couple months
>>733072994MintIf you start having issues with software being old versionsArch
>>733071732Wtf even is gentoo
guys, desktop linux was promising in the late 00s/early 10s but we need to admit that it's sabotaged and a failure at this point
>>733073156>a derogatory term for a prostitute in South African slang
>>733072782you a faggot that did zero research, most current distros just works from the box, and any deeper knowledge you aquire (if you want mostly) easy transferable for any other distro, unlike winjeet FUNNY UPDATE BOOGALO NOW YOUR SETTINGS ALL FUCKED UP BETTER GOOGLE NEW LOCATIONS AND STILL USE OLD HODDEN WIN7 SETTINGS>>733072412This anon right, the only problems with linux today are:>windows buck to be preinstalled everywhere, >normie inertia>a few literal slave cases like AdobeSo its "I like being a slave, it's more comfortable for me, and I fear anything slightly different" mindset
>>733073309>you a faggot that did zero researchWhy the fuck should anyone have to do ANY research just to install an OS you fucking stupid ass nigger? It was never required in the past that you had to do research to get a fucking computer running, you are missing the point like every other linux autist, I shouldn't have to dig through reddit forums and discord servers to figure out how to get my fucking computer operational, all you retards do is contribute to the problem.
>>733073309if ltsc didn't exist i would've jumped to linux 8 years ago. i can't imagine switching to 11 unless the ltsc is decent. it looks worse and the bugs sound worse than 10's and ms got even more jewish by killing that one activation method.if i ever held political power i would rape companies like these into submission or die trying.
>>733037823I had problem at first with my pc and it turns out windows wasn't much of a problem so I don't have much reason to try Linux and I am scared I may fuck my pc some way if I tried
>>733066712the fag flags in bazaar are an option that don't ship by defaultyou literally never have to see them
>>733073943It's on the settings menu, so at some point you do have to deal with themWhat do you mean "doesn't ship by default" if you install Bazaar elsewhere it'll include them.
>>733037823>No native games for LinuxWhy would there. Basically anything runs on Proton just fine, usually even day 1 releases. Played Romeo is a Deadman day 1 and it literally just works, despite being an UE5 slop game with Grasshoppers usual technical incompetence on top of it. Same goes for Monster Hunter WIlds pre optimization patch.
>>733073527>It was never required in the past that you had to do research to get a fucking computer runningOf course it wouldn't be if you've never installed your own operating system you fucking mongoloid. The process of writing an ISO to a USB and booting it is the exact fucking same whether you're putting windows or linux on it. The linux installers will be less of a hassle than windows unless you're running raw arch. You can go from a machine with completely blank drives to running games from steam in less steps on linux than windows. If linux is currently too hard for you, steamOS will be too hard for you. Windows would be too hard for you to figure out if it wasn't pre-installed on your shitbox.
>>733038873Other than maybe btrfs, even the shittiest of the Linux filesystem is better tha NTFS that randomly deletes your files.
>>733074084a one and done settings panel and it's set to a system theme by defaultyou literally have to go out of your way to enable them beyond that 10 second exposure while microjeet put it on people's taskbars by default
>>733073527did you skip the part where he said most distros work out of the box?mint is about as seamless as it gets if all you do is basic computing and light gaming. the app store has everything you could need and you don't need to look anything up or change anything except maybe turning on steams compatibility thing. i just did it this summer on an old laptop and all the basic things worked with no setup.>fucking stupid ass niggerironic
>>733074116>btrfsI don't get what some people have against this filesystem.
>>733074116wtf is wrong with btrfs?it's the filesystem that negates the biggest downside of arch and gives you the stability of debian with it
>>733074154>you literally have to go out of your way to enable them beyond that 10 second exposure while microjeet put it on people's taskbars by defaultNot on mine because I took the 10 seconds it takes to disable ads. A one and done solution as well.I don't understand this thing about dealing with random terminal commands like it's not a big deal but then turning around on Windows and being like "mommy please help I have to untick a box in a third party program" like nigga what is this. What are your expectations even
>>733074176>COW rapes SSDs if you allow certain files to use it>is just generally slower than the alternatives>randomly goes into read only mode
>>733074262>it's the filesystem that negates the biggest downside of archI've used Cachyos for only a few days and already have made good use of it
>>733074168Anon not everyone has a shitty old laptop to play games on. Your usercase and hardware setup is different than everyone else's. You can argue how the bubble you're in is comfy 15 hours a day for weeks but some people want more.
>>733074168>did you skip the part where he said most distros work out of the box?What about the part where 99% of people have no fucking idea what the fuck you're talking about when you say "distro" or which one they're even supposed to pick because it requires research? Do you seriously think this is how using computers was 20 years ago? Why don't any of your tranny OS developers strive to make things more like it was then if they care so much about user ability?
Is Bazzite still OK to use? I know there was some drama.
>>733074347Somehow I doubt any of these are real issues considering how many distros ship it as the default.
>>733074708it works and it's not going to stopis it an endgame distro? obviously not
>>733074176>>733074262btrfs has a well deserved reputation of being a giant piece of shit that corrupts itself. Even nowadays when the devs have marked it as "stable" using anything other then the most basic features is tantamount to throwing your HDD in a trash compactorAllowing btrfs to run out of space is especially well known to do irreparable damage.https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/09/examining-btrfs-linuxs-perpetually-half-finished-filesystem/I mean just Google "btrfs corrupted data", it's a graveyard.
>>733074176>>733074262Btrfs is notoriously bad at handling sudden power outages.
>>733074708Most distros are ok to use if you don't ever interact with the community. The problem with Bazzite's drama is that this is not any more prevalent on it than other distros. Almost every single community has some elements of people in power being a little bit fucking faggoty and kicking out everyone who seems to be a little bit offensive to them.Bazzite's community is a bit more extreme there, Kyle Gospo (the "man" in charge) is a microshit employee and one of the primary reasons someone got kicked out is because he made jokes about trannies which is very much a no/no in circles like these.With Bazzite you have something more of a community project, less robust (precisely because of shit like this too), and it being immutable will cause you a bit of a headache if you want some random application in, you'll have to use stuff like distrobox and flatpak for basically all. It's pushed towards Windows refugees as the easy solution to everything. Like something got figured out in the linux space or whatever. But when troubleshooting is needed (and it is, immutable or not), you want a distro that does not get in the way.
>>733074712You don't hvae to believe him, believe the same devs who made those tools and the distros who supportitHere is the documentation on the repair tool:« WarningDo not use `--repair` unless you are advised to do so by a developer or an experienced user, and then only after having accepted that no fsck successfully repair all types of filesystem corruption. E.g. some other software or hardware bugs can fatally damage a volume. »Source: https://btrfs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/btrfs-check.htmlHere is #1 corporate user SUSE's:« WARNING: Using '--repair' can further damage a filesystem instead of helping if it can't fix your particular issue. »Source: https://www.suse.com/support/kb/doc/?id=000018769
>>733074712I've used btrfs for years without any issues other than slow (which is not anymore)However the whole "distros set it by default" thing isn't enough of a good reason. You have to consider Fedora pushed it without using any of the features worth using btrfs for over ext4, which is really retarded. If a distro is to have btrfs by default in the installer and purport to have a simple installation process, a snapshot setup is a hard mandatory requirement unless there's little storage and every distro that is not making that decision just loses by default. Unless ext4 is the default that is.
>>733068789I never understood this argument, every popular open source project has many forks, Linux only has like 10 major distros offering different packaging, philosophy and release model. Yeah this might seem too many options for your average Windows only user (hopefully I'm wrong here), but all this options are free, boot in a VM (for a probably bad experience) or do the smart thing and boot in a live environment and see if you like it. People who pull this kind of excuse don't really want to leave Windows, like having options is a bad thing.
>>733074612>Do you seriously think this is how using computers was 20 years ago?Are you mentally disabled? It's WAY the fuck easier and simpler now. What the fuck do you mean "make things more like it was then"? There were different distros and desktop environments and all that to choose from back in 2006 I assure you, and the choice involved way more annoying tradeoffs. You fucking put the boot media in your pc, click the buttons on the easy graphical installer to install it (maybe do an update after that), then go to what is basically the app store and install steam, and run your fucking games. It's easy. I don't know how much easier it can possibly be without someone else choosing and installing it for you.
>>733074612people like you are why "ai" is doing so well, not a single neuron in your brain
Can you install SteamOS on a pc already? I know it's just Arch, but I trust in the devs at Valve more than myself to configure my system.
>>733074708>Based on FedoraNah. Just go with Debian or Arch. If you're half retarded, go with something that's based on one of these like CatchyOS. iirc this one even has builtin GUI package manager so it should hold your hand easily.
>>733076001Not really, it's currently only available as a recovery image meant for the Steam Deck or a few other handhelds.
>>733075641>There were different distros and desktop environments and all that to choose from back in 2006No there were not you lying faggot retard. You went to the store and bought a windows vista disc, installed it on your computer, and that was the end of it. There was no picking and choosing between "distros" and desktop environments, nobody would have any clue what the fuck you were talking about in 2006 if you said any of this shit. What a bunch of bullshit, some 14 year old mutt claiming to know what life was like when he wasn't even alive.
>>733076108>You went to the store and bought a windows vista disclol lmao even. If you did, I'm really sorry for you.
>>733076108This is what prolonged Windows use does to a person.
>>733072253android and iphones are the most popular devices on the planet, and they're made for retards. consumers have spoken, and they want dumbed down software where you don't even have a file browser.
>>733075573It all comes down to the old "linux is free if your time has no value".You can have a lot of choice but that involves a lot of time spent trying to get things right. Also a lot of choice is bogged down by downsides. You have legs but you can't chew. You can chew but you cannot see from a far distance. Windows is this universally hated thing, going worse and worse over the years, but solutions for it are also fairly universal. When it's unable to do something, the user doesn't go "oh I'll switch to the alternative that does, even if I lose something behind" for a while until coming to another conclusion, and another conclusion, chasing perfection that isn't there. Distrohopping, hell just the concept of derivative distros, wouldn't really be a thing if things were decent enough. The ideal is one solution fits all. That's not something happening anytime soon, but the alternative to it should not be heading the other way and fragmenting everything as far as it can possibly get fragmented, depending on hundreds of different people, with different goals and ideals.I mean fuck, ask yourself why are people arguing right now about a filesystem. Everyone knows NTFS sucks cock, but eventually, nobody cares. But now it's all just wasting time arguing about how btrfs this, ext4 that, xfs the other. Fuck it I'll use ReiserFS. People don't want to even give a fuck about that, the only thing they want their OS to be is a thing in the background that runs the tools they use, not a lifestyle, not something that should ever need maintenance. Which is why people despise Windows so much now, they keep adding shit to it nobody wants. People want windows 7 back, if you think about it, it's a trashy OS, but it's as predictable as it gets, a year from now it does the things it does now. They yearn for that, not for "endless choice". They just don't want the Applefag experience, is it that hard to understand?
>>733076294It's not like you're given a choice. It's either jeetslop or autismslop and no in between. Completely missing the point of the post you're replying to.
>>733076217It worked completely fine back then. Windows became shit in the past 15 years, nobody was using linux except maybe (You) and 100 other people on the entire planet. That doesn't make you the correct audience for computer usage, it makes you an autistic outlier.
>>733076108
>>733076483i've been using linux for over a decade. yes it's more stable, yes gaming on linux is in a much better state. but linux has been perfectly useable for a long time.
>>733076483Vista was simply pointless and too early and somewhat buggy. Nearly everyone (me too) stayed on XP until 7. I switched to Linux from 10 right before 11's announcement. And I can I say I dodged a bullet. Inb4 ltsc I did try 11 ltsc and even while it has no ads and bloat it's still a webUI wrapper mess with tons of downgrades.
just werks on my machine lmoa
>>733045437More like Linux users are accustomed to fixing bugs that pop up in their OS opposed to not being able to do anything about it.
>>733076650>but linux has been perfectly useable for a long time.Yeah if you have 10000 hours to spend getting your faggy distros and desktop environments and packets and interfaces sorted out until you find the perfect combination that works, nobody has time for that shit except unemployed retards with downs syndrome.
Linux doesn't need constant hype threadsIt's not a product it's a thing you use4chan has constant product hype threads so you BUY STUFFLinux is free
>>733045437MacOS sends all its critical errors and bugs to /dev/nullMicrosoft lies to you about ACPI errors sometimes bricking your hardware during bios updatesLinux gives you the tools and helps you fix anything
>>733038857Even Roblox works using Sober
>>733076851Oh no, the wintroon is projecting again
>>733076947You keep assuming that I like windows, the answer is that it's the only thing that doesn't require thousands of hours of effort to get working normally.
in b4 arguing jeetbots.
>>733076108If all you want to do is keep using windows so you don't have to think about other options then why are you here? You can just keep doing that, no one's stopping you. >>733076339>People don't want to even give a fuck about that, the only thing they want their OS to be is a thing in the background that runs the tools they use, not a lifestyle, not something that should ever need maintenanceThat's why I like using linux so much. The software just does what I tell it to do and I don't have to deal with microsoft deciding they want to shit everything up. I update it without a care in the world and everything keeps working the same. It might seem "fragmented" to someone who isn't used to having options but with flatpaks and containerization in general everywhere linux is about as "standardized" as it's ever been. It's very unlikely you'll find that distro Y can run a program that distro X cannot.
>>733076852This is a windows shill trying to reduce linux mindshare.
>>733038857>No NFS:Porsche
>>733077002>linux requires thousands of hours to worklol. i think you vastly overestimate the tech level of the average linux desktop user.
>>733076852too bad, they will only get more common as time goes onthere's a lot more to talk about than on windows, where the default position is to be completely disaffected
>>733077198cope
>>733077248Just one click bro
>>733077292windows is aryan sir
>>733077116I only recently tried early NFS games but eventually I started playing some other games (Spec Ops atm). I'll continue my NFS journey later. I also had TNFS1 but it was liquid shit so I uninstalled it. >>733077198This is some massive cherrypicking. Just the January 11 update caused performance issue on Nvidia (their suggestion was to remove the update). Also their previous updates were so shit, MS had to roll emergency updates to fix the shit they caused.
>>733077353>india not even on the listWhat is this supposed to prove?
>>733077449that you're hiding behind bugmen to defend windows
>>733077527No retard your joke was that using windows makes you indian but hindu is not even listed in your image, if anything your image just proves that there are more europeans using windows and linux is a mostly american phenomena
Troonix users are trans./v/ is trannified.
>same retards dumping same images every thread
>>733077593yeah, microsoft india has 20k employees>if anything your image just proves that there are more europeans using windows and linux is a mostly american phenomenayeah, the european children that can't speak english or is too stupid to learn itand third worlder chinks too stupid for linuxthat's your demographic?
>>733077614>circumcised keyboard>circumcised penis>circumcised OSMutt moment
>>733077002They don't call it WINdows for nothing baby
>>733077864pretty sure it's called copilot now.
>>733037823>not playing the preinstalled games that come with TempleOSyall ain't gonna make it
>>733076852>The software just does what I tell it to do and I don't have to deal with microsoft deciding they want to shit everything up. I update it without a care in the world and everything keeps working the same.I'd like to ask what distro and hardware do you use, and what you particularly use it for.The point here is a lot of people's needs and wants deviate from what the "Mint user on an old laptop" would want or need.
>>733077864Why do they call it micro and soft?
>>733077742Good work outing yourself as a retard who can't read data, the only thing that separates you from anyone else is that you have infinite time to play with tranny software while actual adults are busy using their time to accumulate wealth
I would switch for good.But every distro i try fucks up bluetooth. Like it works for the install, then breaks when i update and restart. It is not some weird implementation, it is just a standard wi-fi/bluetooth chip on the motherboard.
>>733077353NTA but...
>>733078434the driver stack is pretty much the same across distro - everyone uses the same shit, you won't find much difference beyond a more up to date version.what you need to do is check https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Bluetooth for fixes.
>>733078424lol, keep coping microsoft hijrawindows has way more chinks, spics and russiansthis is your demographic lmao>>733078456jeetcounter is the worst fucking source you could possibly gettheir linux user base in jeetland has more than halved in the past two years and currently the majority of their desktop os share is literally unknown
>>733078675>chinks, spics and russiansSomehow all whiter than you
>>733078753there we go, winjeet identifies with the outsiders in his seethe about linux
>>733077002yeah, it just requires you to run some random chinese/russian/indian "debloater" that definitely doesn't install malware onto your system
>>733078753kek you have no idea what white is ranjeet, you think you're better than your fellow brownoids because you're some arbitrarily lighter shade of brown, but to us you're just another brownoid
These ragebait threads are dividing the PC gaming userbaseNow what I'd love to see is a truce.Between Windows and Linux users. Copilot, the FOSS jank, let's put it all behind us.The Steam Machine, whatever happened there...
>>733055003>Wayland is finally stable*unless you have a nvidia gpu*unless you need more than 60fps*unless you need low input latency*unless you care about clipboard support*unless you have a multi monitor setup*unless you need screen sharing*unless you need keyboard shortcuts*unless you need fractional scaling*unless you need VRRand let's not even talk about compositors that basically have varying level of support for basic features.
>>733080181>*unless you have a nvidia gputhat's the only correct one
>>733080181I use wayland with 120hz dual monitors and VRR dough.
>daily troonix thread
>>733080181wayland handles most of that shit better than x11.and nvidia is now starting to use open source drivers on linux. their enterprise cards already require the open source drivers.i havent used xorg in like 4 years.
>>733063918>because STEAM_RUNTIME=0 is no longer the magic switch it once wasThen run Steam with -compat-force-slr off (which is a global setting but it sounds like you hate SLR enough to want it disabled all the time).https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/593110/view/4472730495692571024>Now you also have to make an empty compatibility tool that has no dependencies and just executes whatever arguments are passed to it directly ("$@")Or you can just grab the one that someone already made.https://github.com/Scrumplex/Steam-Play-None>In conclusion: no. Fuck you.Rude.You haven't even explained why it's bad, by the way. It solves the problem everyone is always claiming has no solution, and rarely causes new problems.Could it be easier to disable? Yes. Would more people disable it because "it's bloat", subsequently fail to run games depending on old packages, and then conclude that native games are bad because they turned off the solution to dependency issues? Also yes.
>>733080794Thanks for bumping
>>733081095seething trannoid btw
>>733081130Thanks for bumping again
>>733081170still a seething trannoid btw
What's the reason to use anything other than Mint/Arch/SteamOS?
>>733081254>Debian/Arch/Arch againI'm sure there's some reason why someone would want a distro with different included software.
>>733080181>unless you have a multi monitor setupwait... what? if you're making a shitpost at least add HDR.
>>733038095>shippedI HATE CORPOSPEAKI HATE CORPOSPEAKI HATE CORPOSPEAK
>>733081254There is none, those are the 3 most used Distros for a reason
>>733066426works on my machine, have you tried not being poor
>>733081254I like gentoo because it has lots of packages in its repos (as opposed to being forced into the AUR clown fiesta) as well as stable branches on a per-package basis and because I like the concept of use flags, especially for configuring meta-packages.
>>733037823why have linuxfags been getting more vocal lately? shut the fuck up
>>733080181>unless you need keyboard shortcutsIs there going to be a solution for this?I don't really look forward to every distribution trying to force me onto Wayland while I'm still being told there's no use case for the X11 features I use. It's bad enough that all my scripts that use xdotool will break and the people screeching at me that X11 is dead can only recommend shit like ydotool which implements only some xdotool features and not the ones I'm using.
>>733081751global shortcuts have been in wayland for a while. the problem here isn't wayland, it's the downstream applications not having implemented support yet.
>No native games for Linux.retard>>733037823>No one seems to care about this anymore'cause we're all too busy playing games or compulsively distro hopping like I've done about 7 times this week ;_;
>>733081706freeze peach, niggerdealwithit.jpeg
>>733082427FFS anon, what are you looking for that warrants all these switches?
>>733038095Planetary Annihilation devs are known turbo-retards, this is the worst recurring shitpost
Dual booting is best but Windows is a rude os that makes it annoying.
>>733085175I mean me personally I think just dropping the like, one game I would maybe run windows to play would be the easier choice.Not to mention microsoft basically murdered any chance for any real communities to exist by intentionally being fags. Rest in piss Mister Chief Collection
