More and more people will be fired. Hell, at this point anyone can make their own fighting game now
>>733073767>More and more people will be fired.Good
>>733073767wtf i hate progress now
>still needs an actor>but they don't need the funny balls anymoreYour thread makes no sense.
>>733073767>hourly sloppa thread
>>733073767>killed mocap>person clearly switches to single handing the axe>character keeps dual handing
>>7330740412 more weeks, surely
>>733073767
>>733073767finally, an actual use case for this shit
>>733074289See >>733074041
>>733074264i think AI will never be able to replicate facial emotionsit's just too complex for their tiny clanker cpu
>>733074289AI has amazing uses for target acquisition in weapon systems and general mass surveillance.
>>733073767Yeah man lookin' great
>>733073767What is this meant to show? They're both swinging an axe. But the axe isn't even the same nor are they swinging it the same way.
>>733073767It's going to need a couple more years in the oven.
more devs = more games, i don't see how this is a bad thing
>>733074475no you see, she is swinging so hard that the metal bends due to the wind pressure
Linie is cute. I would easily be tricked and killed.
>>733074475>wow new tech that makes animations fast has errors, let's cherrypick
What people don't realize is that anything fucky-looking made by AI is just a draft. You're supposed to inpaint/regen the parts that are off and refine it until it's polished.
>>733074659It also won't have a proper weight to it when it hits something, it won't look good in any angle switch and it won't have the movements of the character properly react with other characters. So far the entire AI "look at this show/pic/whatever" is all just bullshots and marketing buzzwords.
>>733074836>it makes horseshit faster GET EXCITED GET EXCITED
If India was banned from 4chan what boards would suffer?
>>733074836>current tech shows no errors>yeah let's downgradeCEO mindset, you should apply for a position anon
>>733075160Noone would suffer
>>733075178It's all about cost-cutting these days, quality is an afterthought.
>>733074348We were saying this about them rendering fingers and toes just a year ago
>>733074936Is this more "just two more weeks" that you'll still be declaring 5 years from now? Come back when this tech is at the very least on par with what we currently have.
>>733074941uhm it's animeweapons have no weight here
>>733075313And they're still bad. Your fucking point?
>>733073980This.Plus you can't do adjustments for exaggeration etc.So its worse. Yeah, faster maybe and cheaper but quality suffers.
>>733075391Why are you lyingI rendered foot fetish stuff for free
mocaps fucking suckzero soul "animations"
>>733075178>current tech shows no errorsYou have never used mocap before then. There are always errors that need to be corrected and it takes quite a while too.
>>733075416>Yeah, faster maybe and cheaper but quality suffers.They don't care about quality so it's perfect
>>733075313fingers and toes don't change constantly depending on someone's mood or feelings
>>733075160/pol/ will have significantly fewer memeflag posters
>my horse can still go faster and is more natural than those steel automatons!>they're also much cheapen to maintain>I mean look at those steel machines they've only gone from 5mph to 10mph in two years>they'll never amount to anything!!!
>>733075178It is kinda sad to see support for AI to be mass adopted. The whole idea is for corpos to save money and fire people and make even more people unemployed.Which would normally make people call out that shit, but the good ol' culturewar shit handles that. Just call all artists leftists and everyone who uses AI right-wing.As last ditch effort just make it about race and there we go.I don't understand how it keeps working again and again
>>733075360What? That doesn't make sense at all, what do you think it means when people talk about the weight of things?
>>733075313They still are even today. You need an Inpaint or ultra high steps to fix it
>>733073767Hello SAARS
>>733074041Stupid or trolling? The actor is using a small axe, he's simulating the length of a full axe handle with his right hand at the start because the character's first frame begins two-handed.
>>733075613>Look at this hunk of metal>It can go 3 mph if you feed 5 tons fo coal to the giant furnace per minute and I already replaced my horse with itThis is why people are calling you retarded right now
I want to see how badly the AI fucks up if they try to recreate the whole Linie fight
>>733075735>he actually thinks a tech demo video in OP means CEOs are selling their million dollar MOCAP equipment and firing everyone and hoping on board right awayYou are not smart.
>>733075613If you needed to dump an entire tank of gas just to get that vehicle to move a few feet like how energy inefficient AI is then people would be correct to still prefer horses. I hope you enjoy the rolling blackouts in the future when priority goes to the data centers to fuel this.
>>733073767>yeah sure we killed ram and from now on you will be forced to rent computers but look at the shitty animations you can do with it
>>733075843Do I think that? You are once again making assumptions and conjuring up random shit.
>>733074475It's just a floppy war axe for more kinetic energy
>>733075613Mass-adoption of cars have caused massive amounts of pollution, destroyed historical buildings, caused fuckton of deaths, caused lobbying of ridiculous levels, and destroyed majority of public transit.Now cars are so normalized that anything that goes against car and oil corpo lobbying is considered some kind of culturewar agenda.Also not as many people owned horses, and not many wanted them in cities because they polluted. People were againdt mass adoption of cars but car and oil corpos lobbied schools and introduced terms like "jaywalking".Cars are useful, but they shouldn't be a requirement to participate in society. If you live in middle of nowhere, fine, but majority of people don't.
>>733075726So then it's not mocap, retard. The moves he does are completely different from two handing. For example he's protecting his head with his elbow while swinging. This is completely incompatible with two handing. At that point you could just ai generate anything without the need of any actor since it's just "imagining" all the moves and handling from information in the model anyways.
>>733075969>picFucking cars!
>>733074264Why do pajeets think people want photorealistic animation so much?
>>733075910>Do I think that?Except you directly responded to me with an analogy implying just that you mongrel. Or do you just smash random words into your monitor without knowing what you're saying?>You are once again making assumptions and conjuring up random shit.You can clearly see various anons in here being AI contrarians, my original post was a catch all directed exactly at those people. But again, you're a mouth-breathing retard so I guess you win since I'm wasting energy responding to you.
>>733073767Technology is so cool.
>>733074264I've only seen a few eps of Titan anime and I keep seeing clips and memes of the later parts, and shit is so wacky-doodle silly.
>>733074836if it has errors at any point it's worthless. It's all one contiguous shot. If it fucks up ANYWHERE then you have to REDO THE ENTIRE FUCKING THING and you need to KEEP REDOING IT until it is actually free of errors.this sort of thing is cool and neat for grade schoolers/high schoolers and for making really dumb low effort meme shit. It has zero place in any "professional" industry.vidgen is just absolutely trash and has no actual tenable future outside of composite SFX(which only gets seen for 1-3 seconds at a time) and the most absolute basic bitch Rx commercial grade "person sitting in a room talking" 10-15 second adverts.
>>733075160>>733075591>>733075719>>733076087who is paying for the campaign to spam about indians in completely unrelated context
despite rapidly advancing tools, the expected correlation of a massive influx in actual products is just not there.All that happens is people make shitposts or toy things and then interest dies as the honeymoon period ends
>>733074475floppy between frames is soulful and authentic
>>733076303Microsoft mostly.Also Google, both run by 'j33ts
>>733076303See >>733075647Its just corpos and the rich avoiding criticism and making it about race.It always works.Always.
Can we just IP ban these slop threads?
I think the Amish adjacent people that nitpick a single frame in an otherwise really impressive AI demo are exponentially more annoying than AI advocates.It's juvenile coping behavior, the equivalent of covering their eyes and screaming when being told No by their parents.
>>733076480You're a fucking moron
>>733076480No sentient human being is ever impressed by any of this garbage.
>>733073767This seems pretty useful to make a sprite. Can it do a transparent background? Can it create a singular image or does it only do video?
>>733076303it's safe racism from leddit(I've always hated them)
>>733073767The chinese games are soulful exactly because the animation of the beloved 2D characters are not mocaped aka contaminated by 3d
>>733076303jews trying to divert attention from them
>>733075647Animal AI videos are the real trojan horse
>>733076581You're smart and unique, anon.
>>733076303>unrelated>thread about AI slop???????
>>733075313>just a year agowhat is this phenomenon where AIjeets consistently move the goalposts in terms of the timeframe?They say "It could barely do a person a year ago, look at it now!" every single year
>>733076627The french need to up their game.
>>733074475Retard, anime studios will just have to manually do adjustements
>>733077135also if you wanna talk about quality, go watch OPM season 3 it looks like garbage lolMost anime studios dont give a fuck and mass produce low quality slop
>>733075160None. The indians who use this website don't actually live in india.
>>733074264Fucking Bollywood shit is better than this
>>733074475not an argument>>733077135they won't
>>733077062Anon the N64 was only 20 years ago.
>>733077062The point stands. The technology is in its infancy. On the scale of human history it has existed for the equivalent of less than a grain of sand.
>>733077225Keep copingLOLy'all AI antis always find excuses to cry about AI. Even if it looks better than the original workYou're just coping, you can't do anything as AI becomes better day after day. Then YOU WILL BE forced to watch AI generated anime in the future
>>733076302>If it fucks up ANYWHERE then you have to REDO THE ENTIRE FUCKING THINGNo, you don't. A video consists of pictures stitched together. Eventually you'll just be able to tell the AI: "The frames between 80–90 are wrong, fix only those," and that will be it.
>>733077296>But the potentialOk, go post that shit when it's actually good then. So far it's just marketing hype
>>733074264both gay.AI at least has that cute girl tho
>>733074264
>OP gloats about the technology being good enough to replace actual work now>people point out its shit>ITS JUST NOT THERE YET OKAY GIVE IT SOME TIME???
>>733073767wtf am i looking at i dont get it
>>733077381Back in the day, 3D animation like this was peak.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19OECgt-pIw
>>733077541Mocap made by AI without special bulbs
>>733077541making the cost of animation go from tens of thousands to tens of dollars
>>733077541Seedance 2.0 gens an animation given reference image and video of a guy swinging an axe.
>>733077581>>733077623>>733077653Based. keep going chink bros
>>733073905>progresslol
>>733077715also apparently this is about indians somehowTHEYRE BEHIND YOU RIGHT NOW
>>733077490It's always the same with this niggers. There isn't a single decent piece of media made with AI yet but they'll keep claiming over and over how you will be watching AI movies in a few years without even noticing it
>>733077490>people retreat into their alternate realityFixed that for you ;)
>>733077135how do you do manual adjustments on a fully finished frame you fucking idiotdo you even know how animation works?
>>733077818Labyrinth of Touhou Tri was a fun game.
>>733077329Yes, you do. You can't really just edit some random bit of it, that creates what is known as a HARD CUT.Hard cuts are BAD because they are EXTREMELY EASY TO NOTICE. The amount of actual hard editing that will need to take place in post even with "nearly perfect" output is going to take so much time and effort that you'd be better off just hiring people to animate it properly in the first place.When this tech completely ignores vidgen and instead focuses on outputting rigged 3d models is when it'll actually get professional use.
>>733077847AI will fix it.
>>733077490i will never understand this attitude. tons of shit looks bad and people don't care. there are a lot of games I think look like dogshit that are /v/ classics, there are a lot of anime that have awful QUALITY yet are considered masterpieces. I'm not crazy about AI being used in existing studios, because at the end of the day these studios suck ass and will just pocket the difference. But how about your own animation projects that are now possible? can any of you faggots create anything at all? Budget is everything calling the OP bad because it has errors or something is hilarious. It looks fine and most of you have watched anime with worse without noticing, I know I have. PPGZ comes to mind especially. become meguca.
>>733077889You people treat AI as if it's some god.
>>733077923In the mind of a shitskin everything is a god.
>>733077884You underestimate how laborous animation is
>>733077923They sure acted like adding browns and gays to everything would make people buy their media.
>>733073767Unsurprising that China are the kings of AI. Their entire economy revolves around producing cheap garbage, after all.
looks like shit
>>733077987instead of lying, learn a trade
>>733073767Man, I sure am glad that AI will help to make garbage content way faster and easier. What a dream
>>733075613>I mean look at those steel machines they've only gone from 5mph to 10mph in two yearsIronic you post this, considering it's AI fags that have this logicAccording to their logic, cars should be going at billions of mph by now since not only will progress not slow down, but will increase exponentially
>>733077923You retards are no better, treating it like the fucking devil.
>>733074836You don't understand how much work it takes to fix ai errors.
>>733076302>if it has errors at any point it's worthlessCool so you hate traditional animation. Nice self own you fucking moron.
>>733077062We call that progress you ignorant ape.
>>733078059>Calling something filled with errors and has tons of flaws bad>It's the devil!You are fighting imaginary arguments, you are hallucinating
>>733077947you overestimate the consistency of AI output and ignore that you're going to have to hire animation staff to fix it regardless. fine detail stuff like clothing, eye color, etc. is going to end up completely broken from one scene to another. You need staff to correct all of that.also you really overestimate the cost of outsourcing animation to SEA.>b-b-but that looks like shit anywayNo one who actually cares about what the end product looks like is going to use AI.>t-then just outsource the corrections to SEA!Doesn't work that way. You actually need to know exactly what you're looking for and know how to fix it or else you may as well just skip that, push the AI output raw and tank any prospects for the product from the getgo.
>>733076037>it's not mocapTell us what you think mocap is
>>733077891There was a lot more to Meguca beyond QUALITY faces. Of course retards like you wouldn't get it and fawn over these AI mimicries with zero craft behind them because they "looks decent" in stills (you just have to ignore the nonsensical choreography and transitions, weightless animation, etc)
Bump
>>733078202progress is pretending something only started a year ago, for years?
>>733078059Thinking something is energy inefficient and inferior to what we currently have isn't the same as thinking it's the devil
AI is good. For porn at least, still not conviced about anything else
>>733073814FpbpI hope voice ((actors)) get the ace first. insufferable faggots.
>>733078737it's the worst at porn because none of the big corpos are pursuing it.
>>733078697as the above poster illustrated cheap realistic video generation poses a fundamental challenge to the internet as a means of conveying informationwhat does it look like when you cant trust any video or photo be real? Its prob not a boon for humanity
>>733078737see >>733074379
>>733075438>for freelollmao
>>733079551>um, akshully, you paid for electricity
I think with seedance we’ve reached “the point”. The point wher most of the critiques are mostly just criticizing the choice of content (celebs, major IPs, vapid superhero slop) and the user’s lack of storyboarding/shitty directing/awful taste instead objectively pointing out flaws with the outputted video.
>>733073767When are aijeets going to stop with this shit? we still dont have a single example of a decent game that heavily utilises AI
>>733074379Yayyy...I love the future
>>733074379I hope some cataclysmic event sends humanity back to pre-industrial style of living. We sure as hell can't handle this level of technology as a species.
>>733078737It WAS good for porn. Now everything is sanitized to hell and they keep making it worse every iteration because they want to chase prude money.
>>733080149we would never ever rebound from that and billions of people would die
>>733078446>Tell us what you think mocap isActually accurately capturing the motions of the actor and not randomly deviating from it by the whims of a machine? It's not supposed to be a suggestion for what the actor wants, it's supposed to be exactly what the actor does. If an animator wants to then do something with the data to change the animation later that's fine - but the computer shouldn't be imagining shit.
>>733079962Babies being born in current year are cooked.They are going to inherent a dystopian surveillance state filled with brown people trying to rape them.
>>733073767>slop will surely replace every step in the creative process in two more weeks says increasingly nervous Indian for the seventh time this week
>>733075647I hate the culture war so much it's unreal. It is one of the worst invention of this current age, and it ALWAYS works no matter was inane and obvious it is. The COVID response is sad proof of how thoroughly the culture war has rotted the American mind.
>>733077115Safe racism is hating White people.
>thread gets deleted on /a/>crawl over to /v/ insteadkek
>>733073767>Shows them needing a mocap
>>733076087Low IQ NPC behavior.
>>733076303muslims, iran, russiaI can't prove it, but I'm sure it's true
>>733075647>It is kinda sad to see support for AI to be mass adoptedKek, sure thing, Rajesh.
>>733080363unfortunately its not going to go away barring some existential threat
>AI is ba-ACKhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azbtSStWJ64
>>733077276>"fail"retards still pulling single frames and pretending they're bad like this whole sequence wasn't top tier
>>733076087What do you mean you don't want to see another "Photorealistic ultra 8K modded Grand theft auto San Andreas" video?
>>733080278Brother we've already inherited a propaganda/psyop state with pedos trying to rape, eat us, and destroyour qualityof life. And we all did nothing
Remember when it couldn't do fingers?
>>733080360>yes it keeps getting better and better but it will never replace CGI because... you're from India!!Brave and powerful
>>733073767China is legitimately the worst thing to happen to anime.
>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST LET EVERYONE MAKE ENTERTAINMENT IT HAS TO BE CONTROLLED BY THE EPSTEIN CLASS FOREVERthis is you, luddites
>>733080643saw this few days agoPURE SL*P KINO
>>733080978How cute. You think you'll have access to this technology
>>733080881it will only get worse
>>733080978Check your foreskin anon
>>733081054I have access to it right now as I generate image sets on my local machineEverything that's in the cloud becomes available locally in a couple of years, and gets a lot of porn forks half a year later
>>733081113>you're the jew for calling out the jewsExactly what a jew would say
>>733081054>he doensn't have 10$ to pay Open Router to have acces to 100% non-kiked open weight chink AI that is 100x cheaper than kikeshitLMAOMAO
>>733076272 Nigger
>>733073767You say that as if this shit hasn't been around for years at this point.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ONLY THE SUSHI DIDDY ISLAND CAN MAKE ANIMENOOOOOOOOOOOO NIPPONNNNNNNNN BANZAIIIIIIIEVEN THOUGH OUTSOURCE IT TO FOREIGNERS AND CHINESE IMMIGRANTS. I WILL EAT THAT SLOP INSTEADNOOOOOIF ITS NOT APPROVED BY THE FEMINISTS WORKING ON WOKE MODERN ANIME THAT GETS HEAVILY CENSORED I WILL NOT WATCH IT
Ourguy has weighted inAI is done for
>>733073767>[sad news] China just killedWhat else is new?
>>733080881>the worstthe bestI replaced isekai slop with xianxia slop and never looked back
>>733081351rude
>>733081396
I love the luddite cope, as if most anime didn't look like this
>More AI slopBut this time it's animeAs expected of the Chinese Century.
>>733081621this can't be real
>>733075726LOL
>>733073767Linie is a miracle
>>733076303AI is inherently interesting to people who run scams. India is all over AI, they're fucking obsessed with it. It's associated with them now the same way scam calls are.It's not our fault for noticing, it's their fault for being disgusting subhumans.
AI SISTERS YES YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSS TWO MORE WEEKS TWO MORE WEEKS TWO MORE WEEKS SURELY THIS TIME SURELY THIS TIME SURELY THIS TIME SURELY THIS TIME SURELY THIS TIME SURELY THIS TIME SURELY THIS TIME
>ludditeCan't you come up with an original term and not misappropriate this archaic one?
>>733081731VILE DEMON
>>733075910You literally explained that idea yourself, dude.>Uh, if the people I'm criticizing act retarded, I'm right!Cool! That's a fucking stupid thing to say!
>>733081757Everything ok bro?
>>733081621Japan has been using AI since like 5 years ago, they are just quiet about it. The reason why every anime looks the same. Almost 90% of the anime looks the same lowbudget mid.AlsoCGI is literally worse than AI. Modern anime can't show monsters/Mecha handdrawn in 2D. Because it costs more.I don't see AI antis complaining about CGI/3D in anime. They love it.Make more anime at low cost. that's what they've been doing
>>733077487Good times.
>>733081717Because AI is more sentient than you and knows that a petite girl like her couldn't hold an axe like that one-handed.
>>733081861>vtumors with the worst takes as usual
>>733081717>>733081948more likely the AI kept to the starting frame which has her holding the axe with both hands
>>733081948In that case it should have animated her in the kitchen
>>733073767>China just killed mocapsBUT THAT"S LITERALLY JUST MOCAP. AM I TAKING CRAZY PILLS, WHY NONE IS POINTING THAT OUT?
>>733081861>AI antisIs this the latest derogatory term you slurpers are using?
>>733080978A pencil, paper, and a decent PC is controlled by the Epstein class, but the massive data centers own by billionaires are not. Sure Anon.
>>733082038So the terrible starting frame which should have been the easiest to get right is the reason the animation is shit, got it.They probably did dozens of takes and this was the one they used to demonstrate their product to the world kek
>>733075647If you think normies are fascinated by AI because they're tuned into the culture war then you're retarded. They're "touching grass and having a normal one" meanwhile it's mostly the terminally online that are vocal about AI on either sides. Also has anyone noticed that people who use "culture war" in a dismissive tone are actually more likely to be invested in the culture war?
>>733082149but when AI does it. it's either end of the world or complete shit, lolGenerative fill has been in Photoshop for almost a decade now
>>733082149Just point and laugh at them anon, you can’t talk sense into these people.
>ummm sorry chud but AI is not allowed to do smear frames
>>733082193no, it's just a tech demo created by research students for their AI paper it's literally nothing
>this thread againNothin' personnel, kid
>>733075613>unironically comparing physical strength needed for moving machinery or the transportation of good to the act of expressing your feelings and emotions through artistry just because muh technological progressNo wonder (You) fucktards are so enthralled with AIs, you see the art world only in its raw productivity way.
>>733082149The difference is you don't need to pay for a suit or a studio to do the mocap so any retard with a phone can do it.
>>733082256> Also has anyone noticed that people who use "culture war" in a dismissive tone are actually more likely to be invested in the culture war?Culture warriors are an incredibly loud, invasive and constant presence. Ignoring them doesn't help, since that just means they get to set the tone of conversation and derail any hobby they're involved in. If you try to wrangle the conversation back, they just accuse you of being part of [Other Team], and act out more. You don't have to be invested to find them obnoxious.
>meanwhile hand"drawn" animation
>>733082529Instead you'll pay a huge fee for the privilege of asking the AI to do it. I sure hope you don't expect this to be freely accessible to everyone
>>733077329>"The frames between 80–90 are wrong, fix only those,">AI tries to fix those frames>Fucks it up worse because AI is fucking retarded>Try to get it to fix it again>And again>And again>eventually for frames 80-90 instead of an anime girl swinging a battle axe it's a fucking cat swinging a giant butter knife that morphs into a spoon for 5 frames
>>733082529not shown:The datacenters needed to power millions of people dicking with sl*p on their phones
>>733082564>meanwhile handdrawn animation
>More soulless slop, courtesy from the nation of bootlegs.Was bound to happen, unfortunately. Glad I had my fill of authentic japanese anime media during the Heisei era.
>>733082662The Chinese have been releasing the weights for a lot of their models. It doesn't look they're going to stop doing that, at least not as long as the West is still ahead.
>>733082529>any retard with a phone can do itAny retard with a phone can't do it, because then you end up with animations like in every Spiders game, or that Pinocchio kpop crap.
>>733073767netflix anime will be finally good, lmaoooooooooo
I love slop.I love having no standards.I love watching everything go to shit.
>>733083568Everything was going to shit before slop anyway. With the current state of shit, slop may even be an improvement in some cases.
>>733083715>it was already going to shit so let's make it go to shit faster Horrible mindset.>inb4 people agree with my strawman because they're accelerationist retards
>>733077314Good morning, sir!
>>733083668>But I'm sure they're using CGI somewhere. I didn't watch the anime.
only two more weeks until it finally crashes...
>>733074475soul
>>733084048Which game is this?
>>733084048>No argument literally the first image on google is CGI background and chainsIt's A-1 Pictures after allthey did the same with Solo Leveling
I believe the correct approach to AI is caution. Not unhinged fear. You burgers are already acting like you wanna set the data centers on fire.
>>733073767>Hell, at this point anyone can make their own fighting game nowthe horror. leftists truly devastated.
>>733084352Youmaen
>>733084501Thank you.
>>733074475funny you point that out instead of the fact that she magically changes lead hand every swing
>>733084443BECAUSE THEY WILL, ANON! BURGERS HAVE SHOWN IN THE PAST DECADES THEY CAN ONLY FUCK THINGS OVER AND HAVE NO PATIENCE OR RESTRAIN. THEY SHOULD BE STRIPPED TO BE CAVEMEN AND LEFT TO KILL EACH OTHER WITH STICK, AND I GUARANTEE THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE.
>>733074264AI Gabi a cute, but still cursed as fuck
>>733084443The libshits screeching have nothing to gain from AI, pink washing corpos were just temporary alliances, they know media content creation is the first place they will be replaced, all they actually do is type and create digital media, make corpo-sl*p for their masters, machine made sl*p is no different in that regard.Real artist will never be affected.
>>733074475Anon...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squash_and_stretch
The majority of korean animators are going to be replaced, you don't need animators for adult animation when the majority of the scenes are just characters talkinghttps://youtu.be/CazjWBkrHy8?si=k-PLKWuJzVyTwJw5
>>733084443When you have our "elites" talking about wanting to use it for mass surveillance you damn right people will fear it
