Is there any hope for this or will it be ruined by adding retail shit?
>>733136689i've been waiting for classic+ for like 3 fucking yearsits not happeningits over
>>733136689Since they added SoD with retail shit I have no idea how anyone could even imagine it being good.I also don't understand why people think SoD and Classic+ are any different, it was fundamentally the same
>>733136689Just play turtle wow at this point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji9v7ZbDBb0
They already tried it with Season of Discovery, and it was dogshit. People need to stop asking for something from a company that isn't the same as it once was.
>>733136689WoW was always bad so no.
>>733136816Tranny WoW? Nah. I'd rather just boycott any and all Blizzard shit until they fire all the DEI hires, troons, and "we must be better men" men.
>>733136816>10 Donation Points has been deposited into your account
>>733136816It's pretty amazing how much they've added in a short amount of time.
>>733136928>>733136971I gladly shill turtle wow for free if that means taking away potential players from Blizz.
>>733136689>WoD comes out>Everyone can tank now>Mages can heal now>Fucking percentages bullshit everywhere instead of actual numbers>Hey, we turned a bunch of classic dungeons into RAIDS. You guys love RAIDS, right? You love it when we turn old classic encounters into Mario Party bullshit, right?WoD has seriously damaged my faith in Blizzard being able to make a good Classic+. It would appear that Retail is the only thing they know how to do and the Classic ethos is completely alien to them.
>>733137269But anon, WoD was 12 years ago. Surely in all that time Blizzard must have learned from their mistakes and made retail WoW better than ever.
>Be on discord>Topic of classic + comes up>Everyone interrupting eachother>Excitedly saying what they want / don't want"I want shamans on alliance, I want paladins on horde""They should add extra abilities but NOT like retail">Survey website is already overwhelmingly against transmog>Aggrend is basically in-chargeIt's over my dudes. I will try it but don't have high hopes, Turtle is already classic plus done right and nothing is going to change that. I bet Blizzard wouldn't even have rested XP tents since <Fun Detected>
Anyone here up to date with running a local single player server? I understand the 'modern' client lets you switch localizations in the options menu and I am thinking of using it to learn some new languages so that I at least learn something useful when I get the itch to play TBC for the infinite time again.
I liked SoD, phase 3 content gap to save the disaster that was the cata launch sucked. Mage healing was pretty dope, was just atonement healing with extra steps. Having Shaman, Rogue, Shaman able to heal meant less waiting around LF1M tank, as people could easily flex.
>>733136689im just gonna play TBC Anniversary until i get bored
>>733137269>You guys love RAIDS, right? You love it when we turn old classic encounters into Mario Party bullshit, right?This is primary reason why blizzard version, if it ever happen, will fucking suck worse than any private server hackjob.
>>733137353I think he meant SoD. Either way he's right, and also the fact that SoD was ran by a skeleton crew.
why do people think classic+ is a thing? blizzard will never do it and split the playerbase further, and "classic+" literally makes no senseyou want classic, but don't want classic, make up your fucking minds, it'll just turn into retail eventually
Remember them faggots shilling Epoch WoW so hard and their server didn't even work, then coping "2 more weeks!" then the pregnant male emoji banned, then handing their spaghetti code to Ascension which let it die. They were shitting on Turtle WoW players because of troon admins when Epoch discord mods were just as much troons
>>733136689woke women are in charge of it anon
>>733137754I think they just want simple/slower combat. Retail before what they are doing now with Midnight,before it was straight up a ARPG muh APM muh mountain dew hyper active kids.
>>733137583Yeah, I meant SoD. Whoopsie.
>>733137754Retail isn't just Vanilla + time. Vanilla had a completely different vision and ethos, and some people wish the game had continued on in that direction.
>>733136689People can’t agree on what C+ is to begin withSome want to keep playing Afrasiabi’s dream of their pet class being the main character and everyone else existing only to stroke their ego, others want their classes to have 3 viable specs but people would complain that “that’s retail”
What I'd want is a new low, mid and high level dungeon. A new zone and adding stuff to neglected areas like Azshara, Desolace and so on.THEN they'd start making expansions for that version, so no tbc and so on, just well thought out soulful stuff AND NO FLYING.
>>733136689as long as turtle existence there's zero reason to care about shitty nu blizzard games let alone give them any money.
Here's your classic+ bro
>>733136928which is funny because blizzard classic is literally tranny central to the point they changed npcs to be both gay and tranny freaks not to mention majority of the playerbase left on official blizzard servers are a bunch of mentally ill retards
>>733137754>why do people think classic+ is a thing?Because they stopped working on SoD and starting working on something else which is obviously classic+
classic+>everything is retconned to being gay and trans
>You think you do, but you don'tended up being true in an entirely different way that its intended meaning. The average gamer is a mongoloid who doesn't understand what makes the games they like good, and the average WoW player is significantly worse than the average gamer in this regard.
>>733138332>everything is retconned to being gay and transThey already did that with regular Classic. Like pic-related was a change made in an update AFTER Classic released because Blizzard couldn't let well enough alone.You have ONE job Blizzard just remake Classic with no changes and you couldn't even do that without continuing to gayify it.
>>733138604
>>733138547not even the tards at blizz knew, which is why the game slowly evolved into a lobby-simulatorthere’s always been too much focus on raids and dungeons instead of building a world people would like to traverse
>turtle wow
>>733136689Boomers and millenials who wanted classic servers are the ones who ruined classic to begin with, they will also ruin this.
crybabies need to understand. No one can agree on what classic+ will be. Cause in reality just following normal xpac progression is classic+. The advancment of the game as it was and always will be. Retail remains the most populated and what makes money. Any version of classic is just for enjoying a new round of progression witha few tweaks. You'll never get all a full xpac of content slapped onto classic but still with classic's problems, not when TBC exists. Fucking quit crying. Play the server you like and realize "you think you do but you don't" was always correct.
>>733138717I don't get it
>>733138717kino
blizz just needs to copy turtle wow lol but they won’t
meta faggotry killed mmos prove me wrong you can't
>>733136689wow will always be ruined by modern wow players
>>733138134>gayguywithregularguymask.png
>>733138826I can't. My bachelor's thesis was a digital ethnography of Classic WoW and it killed any genuine interest I had in playing the game as anything but a hang-out game with friends.
>>733136689Basically:>Add more content for the midgame. >Add a real endgame.>Fix some classes and specs, and allow more classes to tank. >More moneysinks (Like housing) That's really all I want.
>>733137754>blizzard will never do it Someone post the >it'll never happencopypasta from before Blizzard announced Classic server
>>733136689I'm here to ruin your game chud.
>>733139367That's a man, man!
>>733136689Genuinely asking what is classic plus? >>733139367The fact that they put an old hag in charge tells you everything you need to know. Might still play Midnight however.
>>733136689>Is there any hope for thisNo, just look at SoD. Classic PLUS is supposed to be base Vanilla with additional stuff added to it, but what Blizzard and the retarded "classic" players keep asking for is Vanilla but reimagined into a different game.
>>733139367She's just a figure head they can fire if things go south
>>733137357>>Survey website is already overwhelmingly against transmogthat's a good thing
>>733136689>classic but without the soulimagine being a buckbroken wownigger, you will never experience real classic
>>733136689>being this rapedniggy, it has been 20 years, a comically huge number of attempts of recreating the experience, which all failed. Let it go.
>>733140058I felt like they could have addressed some of the more egregious balance problems, like some talent trees just being broken and useless and some professions also being broken or forgotten, while adding in new content done in the style of Vanilla.What they went with was "everyone is a tank, mages are healers, everything is raid, enjoy all these percentages bullshit"
>>733140424>a comically huge number of attempts of recreating the experienceNo there hasn't. WoW clones were all copies of whatever the current retail version of the game was doing at that moment, not Vanilla.
>>733140504you are now just lying.
>>733136689If it's closer to sod s1 then it'll be great.
>>733140558Name a WoW clone that was trying to be like Vanilla WoW and NOT the then-current version of the game with some gimmick that made it supposedly better.
>>733136689People are asking for shit like Mythic+. I have little faith in it.
I only want blizz to clean up the talents, there shouldnt be rows of talents that doesnt even add up to 5... thats lazy and then just add more fun items to proffs and questing etc!
SoD proved ActiBli$$hart does not understand Classic design.
>>733141293The SoD team was like 3 people though, but unfortunately I agree
>>733140608Warhammer Online: Age of ReckoningIt's basically vanilla wow with WH races but much less polished, bad pve experiences.Good pvp except you need dozens of people to make it worthwhile. Good luck finding them.
>>733136816>Wasted resources on a useless unreal slop test>Still on 1.12 client and not 3.3.5 >Extremely pay to win cash shop>80% of the player base are ESL/non english speakersRather just play era
>>733141563>but much less polished, bad pve experiences.While I know you are PROBABLY correct. Calling Vanilia's wow PVE experience "Polished" is funny.
>>733141563Game stops being fun once you leave t1
>>733141293>>733141345I really don't get what exactly is so hard to understand about Vanilia.
>>733139367Since when did jk rowling work for blizzard?
>>733144208Classic is not just new races, dungeons and zones, you need new mechanics if you want the game to keep growing.Battlegrounds were the last new thing added in classic, and probably the only new thing to be added until.. pet battles?
>>733136689>Classic+ from the team that brought you incursionsThey are so out of touch from what classic players want. I have no hope.
>>733136689quick reminder that classic does not have an actual development team whatsoever and that any new content will be scrapped together by maintenance people while they juggle the 15 different classic versions
>>733145208No should it, because classic "content" is indistinguishable from making LFR on retail
>>733145248no idea what you're trying to say anon, do you want to try again?
>>733145248Do you have some sort of a point your trying to make?
>>733136689Make Nostalrius great again
>>733145329Slop doesnt deserve developers
>>733140089transmogging quest gear should be allowed. and there should be transmogs you can buy with gold. transmogging raid/dungeon gear should not be allowed. cosmetics would be a fun new thing to find.
>>733145429That's funny considering how many work on retail
Whatever happened with Epoch? I thought that was THE classic+ people wanted.
>>733144172WoW was very polished compared to other MMOs at the time.
>>733144973It doesn't help that most "classic" players are braindead retards who will literally praise any change without a critical thought. They also each have a specific thing they want from retail to be added to the game.>dude what if vanilla but with mythic+, rated pvp, and flex raiding!This shit is doa.
>>733145496It was but the devs got a letter from blizzard and bailed. Before that the project core was changed and 5000 new bugs were introduced
>>733145486Which is much higher quality than classic
>>733138632She went from sexy, kind of evil looking, to homely bank teller.
>>733145783How about you articulate why it's better, write at least two paragraphs
>>733144969>and probably the only new thing to be added until.Arena, actually. Otherwise a lot has just been refining the raid PVE experience.Really, the biggest thing I wish they would do was keep old content relevant. TBC indirectly doomed Wow by making pretty much the entire world irrelevant.
>>733145248Retards on retail boss design team is incapable of making unique encounters like viscidus.
>>733146025>TBC indirectly doomed Wow by making pretty much the entire world irrelevant.i dislike how tbc rendered all raids in vanilla pretty much 99.9% irrelevant, cool to hear im not alone..
>>733147491I was not a fan of Legion.>Every class has 3 specs>Each specs has it's own spell pool and talent choices>You can not mix and match like how you could with talent trees>There's spans of leveling where you get NOTHING upon leveling up.>The world levels with you, so you can be 60 and still have to widdle down wolves in Elwynn >Can't solo run dungeons/raids you've previously outleveled.This is the opposite of fun.
>>733146037every retail encounter is 100x more unique that viscidus, they just arent dogshit unlike viscidus
>>733148506>spread>stack>soak>avoid red zones>play hot potatoLiterally all the mechanics in modern wow.
>>733136816>create a new dungeon >it's for level 15s >can't even do it with your main or your alts, they are all max already >it's made for people to run through once and never again they are easy to make but it's still a waste of time really
mechanics < atmosphereblackrock mountain, maraudon, diremaul feel way more immersive than any tbc dungeon clusters
>>733139367that's so very clearly a mentally ill Type 1 specimen...
>>733146025>keep old content relevantThis is a complicated thing to solve. You could squish stats and make it so there's slow vertical progression, but even then things eventually get ridiculous. However, if everything is relevant forever then people will eventually get bored of doing the same shit again and again.Who would want to raid everything from MC to Naxx, and beyond, every single week forever into the future. The only thing I can come up with would be to make raids shorter like 20 man raids, AQ20, ZG etc. You could also remove weekly lockout and greatly reduce the chance to drop item pieces, or have the raids give out materials. That would fundamentally alter the game though, which would give rise to other problems
>>733136816>tranny wowLolLmao
>>733149509the key is to make a rotation of pve content swap MC for new one every month or two etc people generally don't mind doing "old" content as long as it's not what they have to do all the time
What I don't get is why people care anymore. If you weren't there in the glory days of Vanilla then you just didn't get the real WoW experience. Classic relaunches were a shell of the experience. Every bit of current WoW lacks that magic and immediately devolves into raid logging shit. That's all it is now. At most you can make friends with guildies in raid groups, but all of that social experience is pretty much gutted from the game. And I get it, it's not some grand revelation that hasn't been come up with before that a lot of WoW's magic was entirely from normies latching onto one of the biggest cultural phenomenas in gaming at the time, just to maybe reach level 20 and quit but leave their sub running, but that alone added so much more in terms of life to the game. You had nothing but retards just having fun and enjoying the moment shooting the shit with fellow retards. Everywhere was populated, Blizzard was desperately trying to increase their server capacity and reliability. Sure, did it suck complete ass for the end game if you were on a shit realm? Of course, but the magic was entirely focused on it being this new mysterious experience where you had people outside of the gaming scene going "for the heckin' alliance" and "zug zug!" You had a pretty substantial feeling of that for the first ever classic relaunch, and slightly less of that feeling for TBC/Wrath relaunch, but now you have fractions of the playerbase continuously returning for content that's all the same, all min maxed, no one gives a fuck about each other, gets abandoned by the system, and yet somehow people are praying for a classic+ when everyone's definition of that is different and this is Blizzard we're talking about so it'll just amount to them making raids but POTENTIALLY without lore asspulls. Which is fairly interesting but it's more of the same shit.
>>733144028Being able to buy a repair bot is pretty shitty but I'll rather let people do that than level boosting or paying 15 bucks a month
>>733145496The devs were retarded and didn't understand netcode
>>733136689compfags, minmaxxers and metafags will ruin it
>>733147491expecting people to run molten bore for years is inhuman.
>>733149674>swap MC for new one every month or two etcHow would the item levels work with this, every raid would drop gear with similar stats but look different?
>>733151408Stats could just be different. Some gear pieces could have negative stats to balance out larger direct increases and then people would have to think about tradeoffs and mix matching instead of sets.
>>733149509or they could've just expanded on the world that's already there instead of siphoning out all endgame players out of azeroth where lowies can see them and putting them in an isolated reserve floating island with an entry fee; with this they managed to ruin the world with the very first expac, and then they doubled tripled and quadrupled on this retarded philosophy
Better than ff14
>>733136816whats that undead doin there
>>733151861Even if you only expand the world, the same issues persist. In WoW the only vector for progression is better gear, unlike something like OSRS where the characters can level each skill to 99 in wide variety of activities
>>733149625holy fucking based, i might play this private server slop now
>>733136730After MIDnight flops they'll launch it.
>>733151221Molten Core is fine. Hell, for teaching new players the fundamentals it's very solid. Besides, all raids get boring after a while. >>733149509Like other people have said, I think a rotation is fine if you aren't going to make bigger overhauls to the way gear is handled. >>733151861Expanding on the world would have probably been the best. Granted, it would have created a issue eventually... but frankly they should have stopped after two expansions and just made WOW 2.0 anyway.
>>733136689SoD already proved that the people who'd make Classic+ doesn't have a clue what to do with it.Take the big final patch focused on Scarlets, that made an entire fanfic storyline which retconned the Cashbringer plot. No one played that shit. Hell, most people didn't fight Ragnaros testicle.
>>733152601>Molten Core is finewrong.
The first step to make any iteration of a Classic+ successful:Behead all guide makers.
>>733138717Why insert anime into wow of all places.
>>733152097I don't care about all content being evergreen forever, so no, the same issue does not persist. My issue is with new content being cordoned off, replacing the "world" of warcraft with a seasonal throwaway island of warcraft
>>733138809Hmmm.. curious why my post praising Turtle wow got deleted. Truly this fucking website is taken over by gay aids ass shit
I like retail, it's full of gay shit but it plays well casually and has a lot to keep me busy with housing and transmogging. I think classic makes a good containment for sweats who don't like fun
>>733148979Different anon, you actually think Viscidus is a unique and quirky boss or something? >put on frost oil>hit with frost spells till he becomes brittle and breaks>hit with melee when he becomes brittle>kill mini viscidus slimes>repeat till dead>just bring nature resist gear and protection potsSince when is hitting a boss then hitting little adds before they get to the center unique? I don't know man, I just think you hate shit just to hate it. Being a disingenuous retard and actually thinking retail is just soaks and spreads makes me think your only experience with retail is LFR or someone elses opinion on Youtube or a streamer.
>nillers want classic+ to just be 29 warriors and their healbots Tbc is classic+, stop with these shit threads
>>733138809unoffensive post gets deletedWHY
>>733153349Isn't era perfect for you then, what do you even want Classic+ for?
>>733149038This. or>LOOK AT THIS COOOOOOL NEW ROOOM WE ADDED TO SFK!!!!! THERE'S A NEW BOSSSS!!!its cool I guess, but I think I only ever did it twice.
WoW just needs to be Warcraft. It's so far removed from Warcraft these days that it doesn't look or feel even remotely like the same franchise.
>>733136816But I want to pay Blizzard!
>>733136689I still don’t think this shit is happening.
>>733156861they're clearly not competent enough to pull it off. all they can do is make the franchise into a disgrace by pushing their retarded cult ideology of making centaurs and frogs into fags lmao
>>733157439I expect them to make something and call it classic+ but really it'll just be sod 2
>>733136689you ask for classic plus but never define it. its the same level of ask as 'make it good'
>>733159329something similar to turtle
I want more things to do in the world, new quests, pvp events, world bosses. Fuck dungeons, raids, BGs and arenas. I don't want to set foot in them.
>>733136730Unless Blizzard somehow get Turtle WoW shut down via lawsuits (unlikely as the devs are based in Eastern Europe, Russia & Central Asia and they don't really give a fuck about copyright infringement) or a huge campaign of suing ISPs and hosting providers into blacklisting them, they're gonna have to contend with fan-developed alternatives to Classic.
>>733136689It will be ruined by reddit demands, lack of budget, absurd roi targets, lack of robust testing, and integrity-ruining bugs, exploits, and balance issues.
>>733149038>>733154049Well they're also adding a new 20-man raid and Lv50+ zone next patch as well.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJouJ8n-dto
>>733136816I'd rather play ascension
>>733136689>Is there any hope for this or will it be ruined by adding retail shit?Are you a fucking tourist adbot shill or are you living under a rock? Because SoD showed everyone that Nu MicroBlizzard can't do new content. The new raids they created were fucking miserable re-hashes of retail raids with a bunch of re-used assets. Even the latest private servers put more effort into their new dungeons/raid content and they did it for literal free.
>>733136689didn't they try and ruin it completely?
>>733138717It would be a fucking Druidfag too, lmao
>>733160221It's (relatively) trivial for microsoft to get Turtle blacklisted by the handful of payment providers. That's generally how fan projects get murdered if they ignore the cease and desist. Hit em in the wallet.
>>733162238>It's (relatively) trivial for microsoft to get Turtle blacklisted by the handful of payment providers.But they're not so you're full of shit.
>>733162489Well yes they'd need to win the legal battle first
I'm sad turtle is the only classic+ serv because of their shitty 1.12 client and their new client got canceled. Good for them for making a lot of content but I shan't play
>SoD gets announced>OH MY GOD IT'S CLASSIC PLUS IT'S LITERALLY CLASSIC PLUS IT'S HAPPENING BROS AAAAAA>starts off okay but rapidly nosedives into becoming retail with less content>UHHM NO ACKSHUALLY SOD WAS JUST A TESTING GROUND FOR THE "REAL" CLASSIC PLUS>THEY'RE DEFINITELY GONNA GET IT RIGHT NEXT TIME FOR SURE
Can I get a QRD on this shit? I keep getting WoW ads on Facebook and they keep talking about BC classic, which I thought came out years and years ago. Are they like rebooting these servers so people autistically clear the same shit "fresh" again? If you want the classic experience, but with extra shit, why would you not play on a private server instead of giving Blizzard more money?
>>733152651>SoD already proved that the people who'd make Classic+ doesn't have a clue what to do with it.Fucking this.SoD whittled away / outright removed almost every thing that made vanilla unique and noteworthy.Nobody who knows and understands vanilla would ever implement an instanced questing area that obsoletes normal questing/dungeons. Or implement a binary pass/fail resistance check mechanic for an entire raid. Or implement a borrowed power system that inflates health/damage numbers to absurd levels. Or homogenize all the classes so that everyone is good at everything. Or make leveling so quick and easy that you can just breeze through it in a week with no challenge whatsoever. (I get that SoD is a temporary seasonal game mode, but still.) Or buff player power so much that 5mans are an absolute joke that can be aoe-facerolled in quest greens, or even ENTIRELY SOLOED by some classes. Or add in dungeon currency that allows you to purchase entire raid tier sets without ever setting foot in a raid. Among other hideous retail shit.Blizzard is NEVER going to make an adequate "classic+", it's always going to devolve into retail shit because that's all the current devs know.
>>733163090the second round of classic servers just entered BC is why
>>733163090>they keep talking about BC classic, which I thought came out years and years agoYes, but now they're re-launching it. WoW isn't a static game, it has content that releases in phases, and what is happening is they essentially made new servers that start from the beginning to progress through the content again.>If you want the classic experience, but with extra shit, why would you not play on a private serverbecause pservers are full of chinks, ruzztards, pay2win donation perks, broken scripting all over the place, bugs and glitches, server crashes/rollbacks, shady admins doing shit like unbanning people for money and selling gear, etc.
>>733149038So you’re saying if classic+ happens blizz shouldn’t add anything to the early game leveling and all focus should’ve on AHURRRRR endgame dopamine addicted retards? You endgame faggots are the reason classic+ will be a pile of shite
>>733163090>why would you not play on a private server instead of giving Blizzard more money?premium barrier from thrid worlders, guaranteed stability, and the server not shutting down suddenly
>>733163090>Classic releases in 2019>progresses into TBC>Blizz creates the first Seasonal server (Season of Mastery)>Classic progresses into WotLK>Season of Mastery is shut down>Blizz releases new Seasonal server (Season of Discovery, this is the "classic+" one)>Classic progresses into Cata (nobody wanted this)>Season of Discovery stops getting updates (left up as a zombie server for some reason??)>Blizzard releases Classic Anniversary (Classic "fresh", or Classic Classic, whichever you prefer) with faster patch progression>Classic progresses into MoP>and finally, Anniversary progresses into TBC << we are hereSo to summarize, we have:>WoW Retail>WoW Classic (MoP)>WoW Seasonal (of Discovery, abandoned)>WoW Anniversary (TBC)It's really quite simple when you think about it.
>>733163892Ah shit, I completely forget about Classic-Era! (and so did Blizzard lmao)
>>733163951because that's the point of Era, to be "un touched" vanilla. if you ignore all of the touches like dual spec and chronoboons and fixing various griefing exploits
>>733163892also, there's era servers that have been on naxx for 5 years now
>>733136689There isn't any universe in which this wouldn't just be "Classic: Retail Edition". I can't understand why the fuck anyone would think it's a good idea
>>733164040>ChonoboonHillarious to me that fans managed to ruin the game so much for themselves blizzard had to step in.
>>733165320It's one of the big examples of why "muh hashtag nochanges" was a terrible idea, yeah. Having to log out just to keep world buffs was fucking stupid, and it's shocking they took that long to implement a solution to a problem that had been known about in the community for decades.
>>733165307Basically:>TBC was a mistake (From a design philsopy and story perspective)>Classic has a lot going for it but is fundamentally flawed. With badly designed classes like Paladin, a very mixed level experience, and no real endgame. >Nobody trusts Blizzard but at the same time people are willing to give it a shot regardless as long as it's free.
>>733165434>TBC was a mistake (from a design philsophy)Why? As a long time vanilla and TBC enjoyer, TBC always felt like a logical step forward from vanilla that fixes all of its major flaws without going too far and casualizing everything like WOTLK did.
The idea for classic+ SHOULD it just splitting off from tbc and what came afterAn alternate timeline as it were, where it gets its own expansions while learning from what was liked/hated by the classic communityNot "lets revamp classic" but "lets start from classic and add different expansions"New classes that dont exist yet etc are fine
>>733165427To be fair, I'm pretty sure back in 2004-2005 people largely didn't start abusing boons until Nax. Which was such a tiny minority nobody really cared. Private servers really started the habit of boon abuse being commonplace to speedrun raids. And Blizzard is trying to pretend those don't exist.
>>733165551Problem with that is it would cost time and money, and blizzard is never going to devote time and money to classic when retail makes infinitely more money. Classic is stuck with a skeleton crew of part time interns putting in just enough effort to keep the servers online.
>Wow classic+ get brought up>Turtlewow bots instantly shit up threadBUY A FUCKING AD
>>733165723True enough, but after TLT or whatever releases, I think they would probably look into the idea of just, redoing wow, essentially making WoW2Itll happen eventually, maybe not as straight up classic+, but it will happen
>>733166024>redoing wow, essentially making WoW2will also never happen because all of the pet/mount collector whales will cry that all their virtual pets and mounts will be "dead" if they don't carry over to the new game
What percent of lifers are playing the current content versus this rehashed, remixed, reimagination of released content for the umpteenth time? It's insane to me that Blizzard is letting people clear the same content for the 25th time and they'll still pay for it.
classicfags are mentally ill
>>733166162Wow will reach its end eventually, going into maintenance mode for those people, effectively swapping the crews around so that they can make their next cash cowYes we know what happened to overwatch, but what else are they gonna do?
>>733163014SoD could have been great if they actually did more than just recycle retail abilities as runes. The only unique thing I recall was Arcane Mages being able to heal similarly to how the Chloromancer works in Rift.>>733159329Something along the lines of...1. Reworked talent trees making all specs viable. Not just recycling talents and abilities from retail.2. New level 60 endgame raids, new 10 - 60 dungeons, new zones in Kalimdor & the Eastern Kingdoms, new Battlegrounds.3. No removal of stats or dumbing-down of stat sheets like what expansions after Wrath did.4. Goes in a different direction to Retail WoW, much like what OSRS split apart from RuneScape 5. New classes, races and race/class combinations that actually make sense, especially if we're gonna get Alliance Shamans (Dwarves) and Horde Paladins (Undead, I mean they CAN be Priests.)
>>733165512isolated themepark island emptying the old world and flying
>2019>muh NO CHANGES>2025>POGGERS Classic+ !!!!I hate how games are influenced by e-celebs so much bros.Also, I've been having fun leveling in Turtle WoW, the new low level zones are cool, as someone who likes to explore and not just follow the arrow.
>>733165307because amateur pserv teams manage to do it, blizzard could too.
>>733166754so you want new abilities and all specs to be viable but you're not allowed to use abilties and concepts retail used at any point?
Just go and play turtle wow if you want classic plus, Blizzard is NEVER going to waste time making new content that isn't just shit roguelike tier like "seasons of cum and smegma"
>>733166760>emptying the old worldvanilla already did that, you have no reason to go back to low level zones once you're max level>flyingoh no it's harder for you to gank people out in the world and you have to go to battlegrounds and fight people who are prepared to fight backhow horrible
>>733136689Season of Discovery was Classic + and no one liked it so its over.
>>733167240The point was moreso that SoD just lazily copypasted retail abilities with very little changes.But mostly, yeah, I'd prefer something new and original, not "wow vanilla remix for retail tourists"
>>733166887You seem to be enjoying POGGERS Classic+ !!!! if you like turtle
>>733166887>2019>we want to experience the same thing from 2004 again>2025>well vanilla wow is good but flawed, and I experienced everything the game has to offer. I don't mind playing it again, but with balance changes and new contentis that so weird?
>>733167351Carebear
>>733136689total cryboomer death
>>733136689They'll fuck it up by adding Mythic+ and the entire game will revolve around grinding keys just like in retail, streamers will praise it for a week or two so aggrend can feel smug because a streamer jerked him off for a few minutes then it will die a quick death just like SoD
>>733167423build a class for me, say, paladin. how do you make it viable for tanking in classic without using changes given to it in tbc?
>>733167616>undead rogue seething that he has to fight people who can fight backCarebear
>>733167616alliance rogue here. the only honorable gank is inside enemy capitals. actually inside them, not hanging out outside the gatesapping the theifcatcher guards is a powerful flex
>>733165512TBC ruined world of warcraft as a actual world by basically making most of the endgame content of classic totally pointless. In most regards it's a step up and a fairly natural follow up, but the expansion model is bad and always has been.
>>733167516>but with balance changes and new contentThat was what SoD was and it sucked.
>>733167697Problems with paladin tank in vanilla:>no taunt>no gear with spell damage / defense>can run out of mana>no defensive cooldowns (can't use bubble while tanking)Solved by:>give them a taunt>either add sp/def gear, or make tank threat abilities scale with attack power instead of spell power>talent to restore mana on block>make bubble instead reduce damage taken by 40-50% if you have righteous fury activeBut again, the point is not "do not use any change from future expacs, it must be all new", the point was that blizz just lazily copypasted and called it a day, and thus, SoD ended up feeling like Cataclysm but in old azeroth.
>>733167861Because the balance changes and new content suckedClassic+ can be good if the balance chances and new content don’t suck, but they will suck because the people who work at blizzard no longer know how to make things that don’t suck
>>733167861biggest issue with sod was that every "content update" functioned like a mini-xpack, rendering the previous mini-xpack 99% irrelevant, im sure they did this in mind of it being a seasonal experiment, but with nu-blizz i wouldnt be surprised its the new norm.
>>733167351>you have no reason to go back to low level zones once you're max levelReaching HL dungeons and raids, as well as farming mats require you to travel the world tho. From TBC onward you will always stay in the new zone for these activities. WoW always had that "everything before the latest expack is obsolete" philosophy. And it's bad because eastern kingdoms and kalimdor is the best map they ever made>oh no it's harder for you to gank peopleEven on pve realms flying sucks. Being in noclip all the time and dropping to your destination ruins traversal and world design
>>733167986so they're lazy for reusing the very tools to solve the problems they solved the problem with originally?
>>733168110>Reaching HL dungeons and raidsThere are no high level dungeons/raids in low level zones.>as well as farming matsThere are very few high level things that require low level mats.>WoW always had that "everything before the latest expack is obsolete" philosophyThis is a feature, not a bug. You have to have "content resets" at some point or else new players will have too much of a mountain to climb to reach the latest content, and the playerbase will become fragmented among the previous content.>Being in noclip all the time and dropping to your destination ruins traversal and world designThen don't use it, nobody's forcing you.
>>733167861That's what it tried to be, but it was lazy. A handful of new spells for every class, almost no new quests, no new zone, no new dungeon & raids before later phases
>>733168018SoD had infinitely better class balance than vanilla.
>>733168289Yes, they're lazy for copypasting shit without regard for how it radically changes the game, and instead of "vanilla plus" we got "retail minus".
>>733167209amateur private servers did a dogshit job at it, too
>>733167351NTA, but: >vanilla already did that, you have no reason to go back to low level zones once you're max levelPlaces like Felwood, Feralas, and any zone containing a world boss get plenty of attention. Was it flawed and could it have been handled better? Sure. Wow made it worse though.>oh no it's harder for you to gank people out in the world and you have to go to battlegrounds and fight people who are prepared to fight back People go to pvp servers because they like PVP. If you don't want to get ganked, go to PvE (Or just grind dungeons)
>>733168356so you want the tbc paladin tank changes but they aren't allowed to be named or have the same graphical design?
>733168415
>>733168450>so you want (not what I said)Here's your (you)
>>733168516i'm genuinely curious. why would they create a new solution to a problem they solved 20 years ago?
>>733168379On top of being filled with the usual private server issues>half the server is non-english speakers and various turdworlders>gold spammers everywhere because there's no barrier to account creation>admins/mods being shitty retards like j*nnies>low population / population takes a nosedive any time a new "FRESH" is announcedetc
>>733168440>Places like Felwood, Feralas,Those aren't low level zones.>any zone containing a world bossThe only low level zones with world bosses are Duskwood and Ashenvale, and barely anyone did them because they were camped by the sweaty nolife guilds.>People go to pvp servers because they like to gankftfyalso I wasn't saying anything about "I don't want to get ganked", read the reply chain retard
>>733150161People care because it's always more fun to fantasize about what could be, than what will be (especially when that something is made by Blizzard).Everyone has their ideal version of Classic+ inside their head that will never come to be. I would say that people will be extremely disappointed by Classic+, but considering how desolate the MMO landscape is, and how starved they are for SOMETHING, I think it will be a roaring success even if it's inevitably shit
>>733168415I just wanted transmog with out everything else. Why must it be lumped in with all this other inane gay shit. Why does the majority want to be in clown costumes?
>>733150161>Every bit of current WoW lacks that magic and immediately devolves into raid logging shit.nobody is stopping you from endlessly leveling ret paladins, casualbab
>>733168671>Those aren't low level zones.They aren't endgame, is the point. There are reasons to go back to a lot zones in vanilia. >The only low level zones with world bosses are Duskwood and Ashenvale,Fair, but again I think the solution there is not to double down.
>>733169128Transmogs are the gayest out of them all
>>733150161I had fun in private servers before classic and for the first few months of classic tooI think vanilla is objectively an excellent game and the only changes it needs is small things that help stop the playerbase from being retarded (doing something about world buff autism would be a good example)
>>733146025tbc ruined everything good about wow>flying makes the world feel empty and dead>barely any organic pvp as a result>horde paladins and alliance shaman>every dungeon is the same>started the multiple difficulty meme>incoherent plot, why are we killing Illidan?>space aesthetic sucks and was infinitely worse than the cool world of pirate shanty towns, dwarven strongholds in the mountains, spooky woods, etc that we had
>>733169890>>flying makes the world feel empty and deadWell, it does suit Outland being empty and dead.>horde paladins and alliance shamanHonestly, I would be somewhat more okay with it if they at least made sense. >every dungeon is the sameBlame SCM being REALLY popular. >incoherent plot, why are we killing Illidan?Cause he went CRAZY! Honestly, Kael thas is the one that confused me. Yeah, Illidan going crazy is dumb but at least it's vaguely believable that he would go off the deep end. Frozen Throne honestly made him seem pretty reasonable despite him falling in with a pretty bad crowd.
>people ask for "fixes" and new content that would require total overhauls of classes and mechanics>complain when it actually happens because wtf that's retailHoly shit you fucking retards, if you completely overhaul the game then it's not vanilla anymore, it's just retail. The only actual balance changes that could be made are tuning and items being added to bandaid issues. Every single time we're gonna go through the same fucking thing, there is no way to do a complete overhaul of vanilla and change everything but also at the same time having it feel exactly the same THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE. Hurrrr I want new spells, but not THOSE new spells because that's retail, I want new spells that are different but also the same and uuuh I want quality of life and convenience but not THAT quality of life and convenience WAIT NO NOT LIKE THAT, THAT'S RETAIL do the same thing but in a different unspecified way also add new classes but different new classes not retail new classes holy shit how fucking stupid do you have to be to not understand that you're just asking for stuff they already did 15 years ago?
>>733170482I really just want them to fix the obvious flaws with most classes. Like Shaman and Priest somehow having parts of their kit based around tanking despite being totally non viable as tanks.
>>733170648they're not flaws. they're flavor
>>733170648They need to be able to tank cause they don't have escape options in pvp
>>733170648>i just really want something will end with everyone complaining that it's like retail
>>733136689Theres zero hope. It's going to be retail- instead of classic+ like sod but worse. It's going to be filled with tons of bots and shit like wow tokens.
>>733170935botting and rmt is a real issue, not priests getting penance
its not even putting effort into my replies to these threads any more. you got this old woman at blizzard who doesnt play the game making layered buttplug homo gay servers for people to play on that have 7 people in storm wind. if youre mentally retarded and dont know what im talking about pay her $15 a month to play on a server that lags with 50 people in the same area while she makes these hour long presentation reveal youtube videos where shes gloriously announcing shit to people who have paid like $180 to sit in her audience. its a mentally ill old woman at the helm of blizzard currently. so play turtle wow
>>733171005I'd rather they get new spells instead of porting shit over from retail.
>>733171142>i want new spells>no those new spells don't count
>>733167832a vertical progression MMO did vertical progression shit and everyone was upset about it (for some reason)
>>733171142>>733168568
>>733170767Priests do have escape options... sort off? I mean, does fear count?Either way: Threat doesn't affect players. >>733170775I mean, Shaman still can't tank in retail.
>>733171254Penance is not a new spell, it has been in the game for like 18 years
generals belong on >>>/vg/
>>733171302Because it's new and interesting, I don't want a brand new version of classic just to play with old shit.
>>733171270>Vertical progressionHow is progression vertical if it gets reset every expansion?
>>733171443vertical progression means items get progressively stronger the more level up or go into new areas or whatever. Your progress resetting does not mean it isn't vertical progression. The gear you get at lvl 50 in vanilla is better than anything you get from lvl 20 dungeons, therfore it's vertical progression
>>733136816Can't get away from ads for this dog shit 1.12 client fag loving server. Eat shit faggot
>>733171429they did that already. people said that it was bad because new spells are retail
>>733169341I've just had the experience of end game WoW content.>mythic raided in retail trash from Dragonflight to TWW s1 just because I got roped in by friendsClassic and Retail are two sides of the same coin, except retail hides it through the smoke and mirrors of "number must go up." You're still grinding the same content for gear except now you're looking for 30+ people instead of 20 and they still can't press their 1 button rotation. However, the gearing is slightly more interesting in classic. In theory stuff like world buffs is cool until everyone makes it a requirement. The content is easy so why waste an hour getting buffs when you already clear most of the encounters in seconds. Content is highly trivialized in classic just by nature of Blizzard never expecting everyone to be able to play the game without constantly dcing or having more than a Voodoo graphics card or Pentium 2 CPU. Instead people turn into parse monkeys for 20 year old content lol. People had to make two different types of hardcore WoW a thing just to make the content engaging. If I were to offer constructive criticism, there really isn't anything I can say that they haven't already tried in retail. Eventually new additions just turn into more senseless emotionless grind, and the wonder of things like quest chains die out pretty fast when you realize the execution falls into one of three lanes every single time. It's really up to the players to build the game back to what it was, but time and cultural shifts make that impossible. I don't trust current Blizzard (regardless of whatever hodge podge team they put on the job) can actually provide a worthwhile new experience. It's entirely just an ecosystem for MMO heads that can't escape poorly aged game design.
>>733136808>>733136868SoD wasn't Classic+. The first 3 phases were just weird "discovery" based shit with the runes and esoteric shit added to the game. The level 60 phases was them throwing different modifiers at the raids to see what sucked or not, as well as absolutely insane set bonuses completely fucking up gear progression. Basically SoD was just them throwing shit at the wall. The last phase was very fun though, and Ashbringer was the greatest legendary the game has ever seen.
>>733171610The actual new spells were one of the best parts of SoD, what's bad are the old passives/spells that they lazily ported over from later expansions.The goal here should be to make a branching path of WoW, not just remake WotLK and call it classic. Everything they add should be new, that goes for shit like achivements, transmogs and mythic+ too, those are old concepts ported over from retail, they don't belong in classic+.
>>733171865>, and the wonder of things like quest chains die out pretty fast when you realize the execution falls into one of three lanes every single timeHonestly, if I had any faith in blizzard I would say "Expand the questlines" would be a priority.
I'll just say it. I want Classic style content with WotLK classes and gameplay.
>>733172096>classic style contentLike, 40 man raids? Slow leveling with quests that border on mob grind?
>>733172096that's literally Ascension BBC+ aka Bronzebeard Classic+
>>733172096theres sod
Classic+ should be built off MoP because that's the last expansion before the narrative and gameplay went off the deepend.
>>733171254Spells from retail aren't new spells. If he wanted to cast those spells he could just play retail.
>>733172241Nah.If you want a point of divergence it's obviously Wrath. Cata was basically a entirely new game.
>>733172179>Slow leveling with quests that border on mob grind?nta but the slow leveling grind is my favorite part of classic wow. its why i love classic wow and old monster hunter, that slow progression feels good.
>>733172384I like it slower too. it's definitely more tedious don't get me wrong but it feels way more satisfying and rewarding when you do level up
>>733172384I don't disagree, I'm just honestly not sure what you mean with classic content. More leveling would be fine since the game is pretty thin around the middle.
Retail is for girls and dad gamers that only have an hour a day to play so classic+ should be the opposite.
>>733169890>kill this retard mud hut orc warlock who was camping lowbies in nagrand >dumbfuck barely gets on his mount when he respawns >he flies 8 feet above the ground in circles spamming /laugh at me then flies away >he was 70 and I was 67That was when I realized this is exactly what killed wpvp back in the day, and still does it now. There's simply no getting around the flying mount fuckup. They should have never existed.
>>733172862idk when I was farming motes of shadow in TBC I found impossible to avoid wpvp. I got attacked and killed CONSTANTLY and gave up farming that shit just because of I was sick of fighting hordies all the time just to make some cash
>>733172947Yeah, but when they attacked you, they probably got to you by flying in on you from above over and over, right? You never really got a chance to see them coming? Or maybe you saw them coming the first time, then when it became gank battles they just flew in on you or flew to a good position first. That stupid bullshit makes so many matchups significantly lamer, and I'm absolutely not the only person who thinks this
>>733169890TBC also sped up the leveling and we went from having a massive world to a tiny ass world of only a few zones killing the best parts of wow. TBC was shit.
>>7331730841-60 in vanilla is about the same length as 1-70 in TBC. they reduced the exp in 1-60 to account for the added 10 levels
>>733173071no most of them were other people fighting me for the mobs already on the ground. Also once you're on the ground it's very hard to fly away, even if you're just ressurecting. It might depend on the area but farming motes of air specifically was worse than some areas in vanilla when it came to fighting. at least for me
>>733172862>letting him get awayskill issue
>>733173213Yes or no, do you think flying mounts hurt world pvp?
>>733172862a couple guys in my guild were getting ganked last night. they put out a call for help and about 10 of us smashed the goons who were camping them until they fucked off. felt bretty good. the guild is wpvp and pvp focused so that helps
>>733136689Everytime I come back to wow I hit max level in like 2 weeks get bored of the "endgame" aka repeating tab target dogshit combat pressing 3 buttons in boring hallway dungeons. Holy shit am I glad gen A and gen Z reject this millennial dogshit. It's aged poorly and the "endgame" focus aka raidlogging boring raids with neckbeard 40 year old men for 3 hours is the definition of boring. Fuck this game and fuck the playerbase. Worst in gaming outside of MOBAs.
>>733173361>doesn't pvp>complains that the game is boring Naturally
>>733173361I level 1-60 and then once I hit end game I just stop. 1-60 is the best part and I'm always excited to do it again.
>>733149038Retarded engamer detected. You're the reason mmo's went to shit
>>733173361Glad more and more people are waking up to the fact that raiding is boring trash for literal mentally stunted retards. Look at the "streams" of this game. It's like watching paint dry.
this is what i was wearing when we raped the horde. they were asking for it
>>733170482You are fucking retard. People want different timeline where vanilla would get updates in the style of initial vanilla release without being coopted by raidfags. Personally i would even want closed beta plus because vanilla already was castrated out of a lot of really neat stuff that was in beta.
>>733174690>updates in the style of initial vanilla release that's extremely vague and everything would be called retail no matter what it is. the only thing that people wouldn't complain about is cut content being added in
>>733137754It makes sense because it will make money from cretins
>>733137754i want classic but with a bunch of wacky shit with short lifespans. mop and legion remix is a good example
>WoW >ever good
>get back into retail>mess around and make a toon in moon guardvfor the loss>have the most funI visited the brawlpub this last Saturday and it was the funnest thing just hanging out
I just want a Vanilla where Paladins, Balance Druids and a few other specs don't feel like complete shit to play.I don't even care if those specs aren't topping rankings or anything
>>733172384>>733172460Classic leveling is slow but rewarding. It has one of the best feelings of progression in any game every and teaches you how to play your class in a very simple way by putting large gaps between when you get new abilities so you actually appreciate them when you get them and read what they do to understand how they can help you instead of just dumping everything on you all at once or way too quickly.I will say though one of the things that classic+ is add more quests while to help with leveling because theres a lot dead zones where there isnt much to do if you can do dungeons. 30-40 is probably one of the most infamous filters in wows history. Make more zones like hinterlands where you travel far to get there but quest there for a long time and get a few levels from instead of a zone like Desolace where only get like 1 level from it and all the quests send you all the way across the zone.Maybe removesome instances of quest givers sending you to kill 30 guys and then sending you to kill 30 different guys that spawn right beside the guys you just killed and had to kill anyway.(I say some because its kind of iconic of classic to have those)
>>733136689Blizzard have released a DLC to Diablo 2 Resurrected, that even if it's a remastered version, it consider a game released 25 years ago. Why not doing so even for Warcraft 3 Reforged, at this point?
>>733173361>>733173672>waaah stop enjoying thingskek, the only mentally stunted manchildren here are you jaded spergs
>>733175907WoW is a very rushed game, even after tons of patches 1-60 feels unfinished. A classic+ that fills in the gaps and finishes zones would be great, i'd play it just for that.
>>733176249Would you want them to finish classes too? Like giving Shaman a proper tanking spec?
>>733137754>why do people think classic+ is a thing? blizzard will never do itThey've been hinting at it a lot
>>733175724I had a bad feeling when they said they were taking the buff everything approach with SoD because warriors were already unintentionally strong so buffing everything beyond that is a mistake. I put it up there with giving level 25's level 50 gear and incursions leveling people from 25 to 40 in a hour as one of SoDs biggest blunders but I might just be its biggest blunder since while druid would get things like a normal rez from runes, Warriors would get death grip becausethey already had everything they needed...
>>733138112TBC was shit, but it honestly made most classes much better. Still needs some tweaks, but it's a safer move than what SoD did.Survival still needs to be a melee or weaving tree, and Paladin' needs holy shock and conc as baseline skills.
>>733176582Undoing some of the absurd buffs furor gave warriors from 1.6 to 1.12 would be one of the healthiest things for the game long term.But it would never fly.
>>733176249I've been playing TBC classic and despite the exp require to level up being lower im still all over the place trying to level up lol. Its very time consuming traveling to the bad lands to level up once then feralas then tanaris then hinterlands etc... 30-40 is still awful and its no wonder everyone does scarlet monastery spam to get through it
>>733136689I will not play fantasy games with niggers in it.And if that means having to now play chinese slop games then so be it.
>>733176993Rather than reducing the exp, they should reduce the health bloat but up the damage of mobs in the 40-60 range. Speeds up the game while keeping it deadly and doesn't interfere with the exp flow.Than just add quests and content to the more barren 40-60 zones.
>>733136816>just play the human male ret paladin funserversod was already a thing, no need for more gay shit thanks
>>733176872make it so they can only wear plate
>>733176582Warriors, Mages and Rogues should be relatively unchanged in my dream Classic+(with maybe a few tweaks for fun like making Arcane mages work).I've always loved Paladins but they're so fucking TRASH to play in Vanilla it's ridiculous.WoW stole so much shit from D&D why couldn't they steal how fun it is to play a Paladin in D&D?
Everyone brings up SoD being bad because of the changes it implemented but in reality it died because the level locked phases lasted way too fucking long.
>>733176369NTA but yeah. I'd much rather shamans get a tank spec so Alliance doesn't just have one more tank option over Horde then keep paladin and shamans exclusive to each faction.Also get rid of the hybrid tax. People who pick a spec just want to do that spec and do it well instead of being some retarded jack of all trades master of none whose gimped compared to a pure spec like rogues or warriors.
>>733136868>dogshitEventually, after like the first couple of phases maybe. Because Blizzard being Blizzard they always find a way to fuck things up. But initially it was fun as fuck.
>>733137754They'd make a fucking goldmine if they made a classic+ that actually looked solid. Many people would resub. Blizzard knows this.
>>733137754>why do people think classic+ is a thing?Because it's what everyones been asking for for years and blizzard literally said its happening and they're announcing it at blizzcon. They've already made and released classic+ for china, we're getting something different.>split the playerbase furtherThis literally doesn't matter. WoW is already split between like 10 different versions of the game and even if you play the same version as someone else that "playerbase" is already split between different servers or even different layers.
why dont classic fags like hardcore? i leved a couple of characters through it and had a ton of fun.
>>733178221WoW in general has been losing out on free money for years with the devs retarded decisions. The game would have twice as many players otherwise.
>>733178570They do though? People still play on the hardcore servers today and the Onlyfags stuff generated more buzz for WoW than anything else.
>>733178570all versions of classic will suck until layering is removing
>>733177446Paladins are completely busted if you play them the way the developers intended (immortal healer/support that enables other classes)Problem is that monkey brained dickheads quite literally want it to be a Warrior that does everything a Warrior can do, but also go invincible and heal itself.
>>733177805>instead of being some retarded jack of all trades master of none whose gimped compared to a pure spec like rogues or warriors.To be fair: Shaman and Paladins are basically just buff dispensers. Their actual spec is secondary. Shaman DPS are almost viable and healer chain spam is just plain better, ret Paladins are just too awful for anybody to accept
>>733177802I don't buy this. Population fall off will always happen and the biggest drop was at the beginning of phase 3 which was a historically bad experience with incursions essentially killing the leveling experience.3 months per phase was fine for farming raids that will never be run organically again in the game's history given how unique of a mode sod was. It's not Blizzard's fault the average player is an adhd retard who can't commit to an MMO for more than a month. I mean they had to add a literal rune vendor in the starting zone because people bitched so hard about having to actually play the game.
>>733178810I want to be a tank because I don't know what sick soul picked Paladin with the intention of being a fucking healer. Ret I can take or leave but I still think it makes more sense than a fucking healer.
>>733178976>It's not Blizzard's fault the average player is an adhd retard who can't commit to an MMO for more than a monthIf that is their audience then they shouldn't have designed servers that level locked you for almost a year. Phasing taking a long time was extremely bad in SoD because the level locks limited what was available to do ingame. It's not like waiting on new patches regularly where you still have access to all the other endgame stuff.
>>733179035>i want to be a tankPaladin mains make their mistake on the character creation screen. In 2004, sure, you could be forgiven for thinking that Paladins were a front line tank because they wear plate. I would say that's even a stretch because in DnD, Paladins ARE NOT front line tanks and never have been. In Warcraft 3, they were a defensive front line support, not a damage dealer (in the sense that other heroes were).In 2019 however you have zero fucking excuse. You know that Warriors tank, you know that Warriors DPS, yet you still pick Paladin then piss and moan on reddit that you aren't invited to raids to tank or DPS. Just irredeemably retarded but that's par for the course for fagadins
>>733179035holy pala is the OG class. prot and ret are non-canon bullshit
>>733163090>FacebookJesus man have some self respect
>>733136689>class cross plusWhat?
>>733169890You forgot>dailies
Isnt this that game for gay uncs? i thought that was more a redditor audience.
>>733178556>blizzard literally said its happening and they're announcing it at blizzconSauce on that? Legitimately curious
>*cough cough* T-TRUE home... this time... after a quarter of a century of playing the same shit...
>>733181239Never understood why anyone likes this dead frog looking faggot. Though I will say it's been hilarious watching him get stream sniped.
>>733181172https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkFMkdZWxdk
>>733181531You expect me to watch a 30 minute video nigga?
>>733181531Jeez they couldn't have gotten someone better than that ghoulish Ann Coulter clone?
>>733181596it's the most watched part of the whole video
>>733181415>Never understood why anyone likes this dead frog looking faggotHe used to exclusively play WoW and make WoW content. He wasn't always a political grifter.
WoW hasn't been good in ages. All of the great talent that worked on it left a while back. How anyone still eats up this slop is truly mindblowing.
>>733182163It pretty much just comes down to no other good MMO existing.
>>733181531Okay maybe I'm just blind but I saw no definitive mention of Classic+ or it being announce at Blizzcon.
>>733163202I liked how absurdly broken rogues where at one point. Some streamer was soloing Naxxramas bosses when it was current content. There's a reason why MMOs approach evasion tanking with caution or avoid it entirely.
>>733177243Paladins have been nerfed into the ground for a year now. It's all about the shamans now.
>>733136689Classic+ for me would be Vanilla WoW on a modern engine with modern graphics, basically it would be the same game with graphics similar to those from the cinematics
>>733182591There is nothing classic about that, it would be more like WoW2
>>733182591>Classic+ for me would be Vanilla WoW on a modern engineThey built classic using the Legion engine.
I just want to play Vanilla.
They cant make a product better than turtle even with infinite money and manpower
>>733182536That and Hunters were absolutely busted pretty much the entirety of SOD. They must've patched and nerfed them 20 different times and they still ended up being insanely broken.
>>733182982turtle is crap lol
>>733183008Launch SoD hunters is easily the most overpowered a class has ever been compared to the rest. It beats out wrath DK for sure. Their pets alone where 10x stronger than a player.
>>733183034youre right im gonna go resub right now
>>733182646Maybe that's what they should focus on then rather Classic+, I think it's harder for them to fuck it up because it would be the exact same game but with a fresh coat of painting.But this is probably never happening, they'd need all hands on deck for such a project.
>>733176745pre-patch TBC is the best version of WoW and it's not even close for this reason
all they would have to do is release Wrath but release more zones, raids and dungeons, wpvp places after ICC like Hyjal, Tw. Highlands, Uldum back into mainland Azeroth so people leave the theme park and RETURN.That's it.
There's 3 cardinal sins classic+ concepts keep doing>1. homogenizing class concepts because reddit says "x needs y"No, warriors don't need more gap closers. No, mages don't need a dispel. No, shamans dont need an aoe spell or stun.First of all, that's reddit shit. It's said by people who don't understand vanilla balance. Warriors are hardbalanced by being kiteable. Redditors dont get these concepts. They play a shaman to level 20 in the barrens and they go "herr derr why cant i kill 5 pigs at once xD" and then suggest it. Nevermind that shamans already have excellent uncapped AoE, they just don't know this because they're retarded scrubs and never used a totem outside of their 3 totems the youtube guide said to use. Additionally, by homogenizing classes you're directly fucking with the games balance and making class choices boil down to just number performance. People on retail reroll because another class does 1% more dps that patch. Absolute dogshit, never give in to this design concept. >2. making gear easier to get Absolute retard shit. The whole gameplay draw to make you go out into the world and interact with people for group content is that you need to do it to get gear. If you just let people AFK in AV to get a full set of ranker gear you're literally not only killing the games balance off, you're also killing off any reason anyone ever had to interact with other people to make e.g. an arcanite reaper. Same goes with reputaiton handouts etc. AV gear should not be available from the getgo, etc. This is a very important balance. >3. adding retarded retail features like transmog or portals everywherevaried cast of issues but usually boils down to "kills player interaction". If you don't know what gear another guy is wearing you're less likely to interact with him on any level, be it by helping a scrub out or by attacking/avoiding someone in wpvp. Just one example.
>Play Turtle with brother & friends>Finally make it to 60 after a long, boring month of grinding"At last, we can play the real game">They all quitI spent like 2 months farming black lotus alone after that then gave 3,000 gold worth of enchanted BoE epics to some random pally tank. It was going to be for my bro>bro now says he might play turtle again>will just level a new character (the boring part) and disappear at 60 gearing again
What if they made a version of vanilla WoW without leveling at all? Instead everyone starts off at the equivalent of a 60 character and all the content is tuned for 60. With gear progression linked to sequential quests and dungeon/raid completion so you can't skip ahead and get the best gear immediately, yet everyone can go back and to "low level" dungeons/quests for additional rewards and horizontal progression items to keep the whole game active instead of just the latest endgame raids. There could be shared progression between alts so if you make a new character you just pick up where you left off. I think it would be pretty cool.
Is the Undermine content any different if you're a goblin?
>>733184204Isn't it funny that we have 20 years of retail experience showing what NOT to do and classic+fags still manage it to fuck it up? I think in the end the issue is these people don't actually want "classic" WoW (or to play a classic MMO in general) and want instead to make it into a watered down retail-like experience.
>>733184463Yes Gallywix personally gives you a reacharound
>>733160221didn't they already get spooked into canceling their ue5 wow project?
>>733184204And just so I'm not just complaining there are actually many things classic+ could improve upon that are universally agreed by actual knowledgeable players to be kind of stupid non-conclusive list>racials are kind of poorly thought out and certain class/race combos are disadvantaged in all scenarios, it may be worth rethinking how weapon racials are distributed without just removing/unifying them >more races could be added so long as they aren't just power creep, people constantly ask for high elves for alliance, ogres for horde so there's really simple adds that would just work >more content that offers alternatives for current raid and dungeon tiers, simply for varietys sake, and maybe extended progression past naxx (or "alternate timeline" progression where AQ is replaced with a whole new raid etc) >more funny event shit like zombie event will always be the gold standard for having fun doing random shit in WoW Also I forgot to mention another cardinal sin and that's adding spec-specific tier sets. Shamans do not fucking need a perfectly itemized item set for ele. The drawback of these oddball specs is specifically that they have a harder time gearing. If you just give shamans a full set of mail with perfect caster stats you are absolutely turning pvp progression on its head, and you're additionally going to see them top dpsing every fight in pve too for no real reason given their utility and raid benefit they already have.
>>733184204five star post. unfortunately retards who just want to play retail lite will keep suggesting retarded things, completely missing why vanilla wow works so well
>>733184346Levelling is the best part, specially when you have new content
>>733184535I feel like this is what happened to OSRS, it became just another version of evolution of combat but with original graphics
>>733137792Even worse, Epoch spaguetti code fucked ascension primary DB tooAlso Turdle and Ascension tried to catter those fags, only for them to fuck back to blizzard, and blizzard is doing now in china with the lvl 80 raid progression server with lvl 80 vanilla and tbc raids with scaled gear.now the entire private server ecosystem is fucked, courtesy of epoch.they trully were the trojan horse of WoW, and managed to fuck everything related to any future classic+ project
>>733152061There's cross-faction grouping/guilds on twow.Horde and Alliance are still hostile to each other, but it's possible for players of any race to play together.No cross-faction pvp.
>>733184204Epic pvp gear should be removed and the upper ranks should reward cosmetics, mounts, and titles.Also Blizzard needs to stop with the "Season of X" shit, announcing that the cool new server is only going to be around for a year just kills the excitement for anybody who isn't a streamer or treats the game like their second job. I'm not terribly fond of Turtle but one thing they absolutely got right was telling the freshtards to fuck off and keeping the server going for years as they added stuff.
>>733136689The people making it probably don’t understand what makes classic good and will just make it more retail lite with some gimmick zones and quests added. They won’t take any risks and it will be okayish while it’s popular and then die.
>>733184697The amount of people who constantly bring up OSRS' community voting on changes as a perfect system pisses me off.
>>733136808Cause SoD wasn't just adding stuff like people want from Classic+ it was changing what existed too.
>>733184683It's okay but I've done it so many times now that i just want to progress my gear in dungeons
>>733184346wtf leveling with your bro is the best
>>733184849changing what existed is something that people ask for in classic+.
>>733184697The concept of "+" servers is just a trojan horse for introducing modern (read: dogshit) features in order to please people who don't like these games in the first place.
>>733184204besides adding TBC talent trees at 60, they should just focus on adding more non-combat things and zones. Lots of the zones are just mountains, I want to explore, I want to tame more pets, I want to do more professions, I want more non-combat things to do to pass the time. I want to get cozy without seeing a fox or a werewolf person for 15 billion "totally not a blood elf" people.
>>733184945Nope, we just did 60-70 and there was so much tension in the air you could cut it with a knife. We don't particularly enjoy eachothers company and the minute we join a Kara guild he's going to dip since others will be in charge
>>733185098i don't like the tbc talent trees, shamans with fat 2h weps are iconic and they ruin that
>>733184963It's something retail tourists who don't actually enjoy vanilla ask for.Actual classic+ in reality is supposed to be vanilla+, as in base vanilla with additional stuff and maybe some class tweaks. SoD was basically retail locked at level 60 on Azeroth.
>>733185109that's because Karazhan would've been better as a 5 player dungeon, every raid in the game would have. Raiding is not comfy and not fun for 90% of players.This is why retail sucks shit, levelling is fun and then it just says "welcome to the max level maze"
>>733184204>>733184603thank god i will never play vanilla/classic+TBC or retoilet ever againThanks for proving what people said for years anon Wrath of the Lich King is the better game
>>733185223doomhammer is a one hander
>>733185268it doesn't matter because there's enough of them for blizzard to listen to them if a classic+ happens.
>>733185319sure so why do they have to dualwield? give them a reason to just go with a 1h then at least, would be uniquebut when I said iconic I meant iconic to vanilla WoW, not shaman lore from warcraft
>>733185109That's sad. My younger brother passed away last year and we had a blast leveling together.
>>733185398hasn't enhance Shaman always been 1h with shield?TBC talent trees doesn't mean you have to got Enhance. The reason the TBC pre patch was so good is that it cleaned up almost half the specs.
>>733185287I like raids because i only have to log on twice a week tops. Every day play burns me out real fast, when i was young i wanted to get on WoW as often as possible, now the less i have to play the better
>>733185503>hasn't enhance Shaman always been 1h with shield?holy shit have you even played vanilla?
>>733185470damn, sorry for your loss anon
>>733184204the draw of getting gear is seeing the numbers go up. I agree it shouldn't be easier to get but it doesn't have anything to do with the social aspect. it's just more rewarding to get gear when it takes effort to get
I just want WoW to return to being more slow and dangerous in the world while questing. It always perplexes me that Blizzard go "What do they players want when they say vanilla" and the physical mechanics are right there. Its not magic or rocket science its literally just 1s and 0s in this set order.
>>733185503no, in vanilla enh shamans used almost exclusively 2h weps with few exceptions (basically memers with ironfoe or people who makeshift tanked dungeons and easy raids) >TBC talent trees doesn't mean you have to got Enhance.ok but TBC talent trees literally kill off any reason to play chieftain with a big axe summoning the wind to rape an elf with 5 hits in one global. That's the iconic shaman experience. TBC talents kill it
>>733185287They could have had more 10 man dungeons like UBRS, I think Scholo and Straholme were meant to be 10 mans originally too
>>733185592>the draw of getting gear is seeing the numbers go up. I agree it shouldn't be easier to get but it doesn't have anything to do with the social aspect. it's just more rewarding to get gear when it takes effort to getMMOs that don't heavily railroad players into a social experience are just worse versions of a singleplayer game.
>>733185839the main draw of vanilla is that it's cookie clicker that you can play with other people. the social stuff is just a bonus
>>733185936the social stuff is literally required in vanilla WoW or you CAN'T grow your numbers. That's what makes it good and a worthwhile MMO experience
There's nothing coming out this year except for Maplestory classic and it's slated for Quarter 4 ..I bet it sucks anyway would much prefer Wildstar if only privates had it sorted out
>>733185936>uh i dont actually like vanilla lol i just want a chatroom idle gameonly proving his point.
>>733186001it's required but it's not the main draw. if it was the same game but you couldn't fight anything or level up and it was just basically an big chatroom people wouldn't play it nearly as much>>733186059I didn't say I want an idle chatroom game. I like vanilla because it's cookie clicker
I wish they would get rid of raids or turn them into 5-man dungeons so I won't have to join discords and sign up for soft reserves and shit every time
>>733186142Raids should be the super casual thing to get easy kinda shit gear you do for the fun spectacle of seeing a ton of dudes fight a giant boss. 5 man or even 10 mans are what should be the sweat content.
>>733186128>it's required but it's not the main draw.Anon you dont understand what I mean by social aspect. I don't mean chatting, I mean actually grouping up to do content or you're brickwalled. This is what's great about vanilla. you can't just soloplay. you need to gang up and thats what makes it fun have you played vanilla btw? you seem to be under the impression that you just sologrind and chat. that's not the kind of game vanilla wow is
>>733186267I know that. I know group play is required in everything and that it's encouraged in vanilla but that wasn't what I was arguing. I was arguing the main draw of the game is seeing the numbers go up
>>733186351>the main draw of the game is seeing the numbers go upThe numbers eventually stop going up if you're playing solo.
>>733186351>I was arguing the main draw of the game is seeing the numbers go upIf numbers go up is your main draw then you can play a lot of games that aren't vanilla. I didn't say it because it felt needlessly abrasive but then you brought it up: you can just go play cookieclicker if thats all you care about, or host your solo server. the thing that makes vanilla unique is the fact that numbers go up is locked behind interacting with your fellow player. MMOs have been scared of doing this and are consequently dogshit A good example of some new trend borne from people like you in vanilla WoW nowadays is gold dkp runs. It's for good reason that they're a bannable offense almost everywhere now. They directly undermine the "you benefit from making friends" concept and just turn everything into randoms randoms randoms.
>>733186250>5 man or even 10 mans are what should be the sweat content.In retail 5 mans have ridiculously overtuned Mythic + for weekly vault, and 10 man normal difficulty raiding is also imbalanced. It's my least favourite part, okay okay normal mode raids aren't THAT bad but everyone is pressured into doing Heroics ASAP which ruins it for me, all that gear is going to be worthless by the next patch anywayThankfully i can just queue LFR, see the raid one time & then never dedicate to a weekly team
>>733186250Yea, endgame content should be like UBRS, 10-man, no weekly lockout, no reason to sweat or complete it as fast as possible. Just make/join a random group whenever you feel like it and play.
>>733186351>I was arguing the main draw of the game is seeing the numbers go upTo you, but not to everyone.
>Ascension starts releasing the original raids on Bronzebeard>Normal version>Heroic version>Mythic version>Ascended versionWhat's the point once the next patches give you the newest tier sets and you have to redo it all over again?
>>733186250>Raids should be the super casual thing to get easy kinda shit gear you do for the fun spectacle of seeing a ton of dudes fight a giant boss. Destiny 2 did this with Salvation's Edge and it was genuinely some of the most fun raid content I've ever played. The meta was 'whatever the fuck people brought and could wrangle together as a loose plan', sometimes you won because everyone rushed hard, sometimes you won because two or three titans/warlocks were 'tanking' and healing. Plus you often wiped, and often had to start again with new random teams but everyone was having fun anyway.
>>733186935>What's the point once the next patches give you the newest tier sets and you have to redo it all over again?This is the ultimate problem with WoW style MMOs. There is no point, anyone who can think ahead a year realises everything you do this year is pointless, therefore everything you do in the game next year is also pointless because the year after replaces that, ect ect ect. Cosmetic hunting becomes the main draw.
>>733186250>>733185775I don't mind raiding giving you the best gear, but you should be able to get "very good" gear by a few other means. The raid logging funnel just kills all my interest for the world. Plus, what are the chances that you get along with more than 5 chill people in the game. Around the 10 people mark you start getting the DISCORD fags pretending to be war generals.
>>733150371The real issue is that you can get banned at any time for any reason if you get on the wrong person's nerves. They will also stalk your private chats to stick to their insane policies.
>>733187045PVP is the most consistent but you can only play so many matches of Arathi Basin and Warsong Gulch
>>733186935another case of people not understanding something that made vanilla work: every tier is relevant forever because every tier has a bis item that you'll never replace.
>>733187198PvP was better when it was forced on you in the open world, but the risk v reward was backwards. Attackers need disadvantage, defenders (i.e. people leveling in the zone) need more advantages. Instead rogues could just one shot everyone which poisoned the well and led to its inevitable removal.
Is Epoch still around? I got a dwarf shaman to 40 while doing the half exp challenge and man that was a fun experience.
>>733136689no lmao, are you people retarded?
>>733184759Cross faction is only on the new server and the tranny server. The pvp server is the one that lives on in the soul of vanilla.
>>733179291>In Warcraft 3In warcraft 2 they were some of the most tanky units you had available to you.>In 2019 however you have zero fucking excuseI'm not disagreeing with you that paladins are shit tanks. I'm saying that they SHOULD be tanks because nobody picks a Paladin to play a fucking support. You want a guy in a cloak who can heal? Priest is that way. >>733179561Ret is the original Paladin.
>>733138884Kek
>>733184204>3. adding retarded retail features like transmog or portals everywherePortals everywhere is fine because it undercuts Chinese bots who run taxi services. It's basically either this or cutting warlock portals.
OSRS used to be great...
>>733187597>Red Vs Blushould had never existed in first placelet everyone kill each other as they intended to be til elmer fudd chilton ruined the game the same way he did with ultima online pvp gear patch>>733179291Paladins in warcraft 3 were offensive retard.
>>733137357Tranny
The only hope is if they don't look at the recent survey results
>>733187746>sorry but we don't feel like banning cheaters we're just gonna have to make the game into retail lite insteadk ill keep playing on private servers then
>>7331871705-man dungeons should give the best gear and they need to be tuned up. Raids are themepark content that only exist for the novelty of seeing a bunch of players kill a giant boss and would ideally exist in the open world instead of instances. The leveling and gear need to be reworked so that gaining better gear and stats doesn’t mean you can one shot everything and walk around in lower level zones like a god. Ideally players could go to any zone and do content like an actual open world game.
>>733187771>>Red Vs BluIs actually very interesting when you play on a lower pop server where rivalries from meeting with same players in bg's and endgame open world zones start happening.
>>733187821you sure showed him 16 hours later
>>733187914>Banning cheatersThe problem is it's not cheating.
>>733187746I played vanilla from mc to naxx patch on pservers twice, and once on classic, but I honestly can say I never bought a single portal. I just keep my hearth in org and whenever I need to go to kargath it's always because I'm gonna run a dungeon in which case I just fly while I look for the last guy. Whenever we were raiding and needed to get around we obivously had mages in the group to do it for free.
>i want transmog, achievements, flying, shared nodes, new races, new classes, new zones>but retail has all that>NOOOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT!!!
>>733188089I did it a few times because people kept bitching about me taking forever to get to boring Dire Maul grinds.
>>733188089Same but mostly because I refuse to give money to m*ges
>>733188095Who are you quoting?
Arthas and Illidan, famously well treated storylines in WoW
I have been undecided about picking PVP or PVE for TBC anniversary now for 3 days.On (eu) PVP servers, the place feels alive, but I'm also not in a guild or a pro or going in levelling with friends and not great at gold farming so it might not be worth it.But I also want to hunt down and kill those ravager pets for fun and on PVE you can't do that. There's no RP server, and I can't tell which type of server would be more fun and you can't switch realms or use warmode (barely anyone flags on PVE)But because Blizzard also fucks up the faction imbalances, I might just level a character to a high level just to have the server die.I actually like the PVE levelling but I also like to joke around and the PVE servers "seem" at first glance to be less joke-y. Maybe I'm wrong. I am doomed.
>>733187905I looked at these and they are genuinely awful fucking questions. I have no doubt Blizzard is doing exactly what people are voting yes on
>>733188585I mean, most people seem to like Wrath and at least Illidan in Legion was alright. Honestly more surprised ANYBODY voted for kael.
>>733188024>botting isnt cheatingwut?
Apparently the race people would most want added to Classic+ is.... Blood Elves.
>>733187905I don't see the issue with having all the classes available on both factions
>>733188769Ogres for Horde and Furbolg for Alliance is the most soulful choice that makes thematic sense.
>>733187958The game was made with players = mercs in mind for all factions with alliance and horde existing in all but name, but also the fact that all factions were supposed to be at other's throatsLike Kalimdor Alliance being on bad terms with stormwind as the horde also being on bad terms with the blackrock horde, and we wopuld even be diplomats and do the other race's quests after a certain rep quota was reached, like the AQ questline with scale of sands.They literally wanted the game to go full on the RPG book early where azeroth was a post apocalyptic state following the third war as EK and Kalimdor were blaming each other, no one trusted each other outside the vows after mount hyjal and players were going to be the damn bridge inbetween factions as diplomats and mercenaries.But Chilton wanted to kill paladins and his colleagues so, is red vs blu.If any private server had a proper genius in mind that restored this and followed the damn rpg books, sure it would be a proper "WoW the way Blizzard did".It would had been interesting to start in Kalimdor as a human, only to reach Stormwind and learn that people hates you for allying with the night elves and orcs, and the disappearance of Varian, or starting in elwynn and learn that everyone in theramore and kalimdor hates your guts for the events of warcraft 3 and later events.Or playing Orc warlock only to be hated by your peers in Kalimdor, only to learn that the Old Horde in EK will accept you with open arms and give you quests.>>733188769i wish they were added but were hostile with everyone because no one trusts BE's for being legion cultist schizos.
>>733188876>>733188769>>733188585>>733187905Why don't they go play retoilet?
>>733188769Aren't blood elves and high elves the same? Just renamed after the sunwell got raped?
>>733188876This one is really concerning, even the developers themselves say that implementing arenas in TBC was one of the biggest mistakes they ever did.
>>733188643In my experience, PvE servers are full of actual honest to god lobotomites. It takes a certain kind of person to decide to play on a PvE server. You have your reasons but most of them are actual barely functioning subhumans and it's like hanging out in the special ed class. RP-PvP is usually the most fun because it's a mix of casuals and people who want to escape twitch zoomers. If that's not an option I'd just go PvP and maybe research which server Asmongold is on and then not go on that server (but idk if TBC anniversary has any cross realm shit, this is just general wisdom I've amassed)
Classic+ needs to have draenei, female blood elfs, and goblins I can have sex with.
>>733188750I mean, some people actually just park their ass somewhere rather than get a bot to do it.
>>733189103I don't see how it's an issue then. If someone wants to make a bit of gold by providing a service that's fair
>>733188769holy fucking lmaothe absolute state
>>733189006No. There are still some High elves around not all of them took the demon-koolaid.
Classic players are just retail players. What a mess.
>>733189018The philosophy of arena goes directly against the original class design philosophy blizzard had and people will complain once they realize that some matchups are completely broken because they’re not meant to be balanced.
>>733189006High Elves = Didn't became junkie fel ridden schizos because they were saneBlood Elves = Became said junkie fel ridden schizos because they were insane for mana courtesy of kael being a moron and garithos still salty over the second war>>733189195i agree with them, nostalrius was garbage and i say this as a moron who played shaman back in 2004 and dealt with pre 1.09 xp buffs
>>733188876>>733188769>>733188585>>733187905>>733189195Why don't these retards just play retail?
>>733187905>>733188585>>733188769classic+ is doa. fucking morons are doing the same shit that lead to retail, designing a game through community surveys rather than an actual coherent creative vision. it will come out, people will say "ermmm why wtf this is just retail lite?", and the game will die off.>>733189018Arena was such a dumb idea, they saw the esport success that bw had and thought they could expand that to wow. The game's balance is honestly good enough in wsg premade vs premade, it's not perfect but it works fine.
>>733187268Zoomer-coded image
>>733189320Because they're addicts that want retail but in classic. They're literal subhumans.
>>733188910That would be way too much custom content. People that play classic/vanilla usually want the same feels they always had. They wouldn't want to invest time into a new wow game that was created by a litteral who. Maybe a few hundred players at best would play such a server. Just my take on it. If blizzard had the balls to make a wow 2, but with more of a focus on the rpg mechanics and interactivity with the world and npcs, that might work. But the wow of today's story is just not even 1 bit compelling as that of Illidan or the Lich King were. Even Onyxia had a better story than whatever the hell these new expansions are.
>>733187312Yes it's in the Ascension launcher
>>733136689made up shit for retarded mongs to whine aboutnobody could even tell you what classic+ is. wowfags all have fucking Down's i swear.
>>733187312>>733189456There’s something like 20 players on guru at any given time. The chat is completely dead and I’m pretty sure the people left are just bots.
>>733189037RPPVP would've been my pick too, but it's not there, so I'm left to pick between metashitters and no fun allowed solo questers minding their own business. I'm veering towards PVP, but have you noticed how people don't use emotes or custom macros anymore? Too much of the game is in twitch and discord chats. RP servers (RPPVP especially) used to be perfect because people actually seemed to try to make it seem like a world and not just an Arena game or a Parsing game. I would even pick the RP server if it meant getting that back. I don't care for a bunch of people just AFK not speaking
>>733189527I haven't logged in for a long while but I've heard the pve server ha6d couple hundred on at least
>>733189449these morons deserves the same seasonal maze, exploits and dupes, since all of the #nochanges shit was pushed by exploiters, botters and dupers.day 1 the game was full of these fags because blizzard fixed nothing.
>>733189195>Mythic+ in Classicliterally the reason I play the pre-2009 version instead
>>733188864High Elves would make the most thematic sense for Alliance
>>733189767That's why tel abim on twow is a hidden gem.
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>>733137754Old School RuneScape (basically Classic RS+) is a thing and it became more popular than retail RuneScape (RS3). Wow players want that.People hate retail WoW, because it's gay AF. It went down a feminized, "War is too intimidating!", path. It added Space Goats and Pandas instead of Ogres and High Elves. It became bloated, and stupid, and cringe. People want WARcraft back (with new content, that isn't cringe like retail, obviously).
>>733189934maybe but they're too close model-wise to the rest of the Alliance, and the Alliance could use a genuinely benevolent non-humanoid beast race. Furbolg and the Night Elves go together like peanut butter and chocolate, it just makes sense. The whole Furbolg thing is being anti-corruption and anti-demon.
>>733190172Is your OSRS RS3-lite with a faithful 2005 art style? Is there no hope for us?
>>733189767> so I'm left to pick between metashitters and no fun allowed solo questers minding their own businessHonestly that's just kind of the state of official servers. You can find good people on both I guess but it's an uphill battle now
>>733136689if it ever happens its just going to be full of bots and gold buyers anyway
>>733188819>I don't see the issue with faction identity being erodedI'm starting to side with the people who said players don't actually want a continuation of Vanilla design philosophy.
>>733136816Playing this levelling as a tank on Ambershire. I'm a great fucking tank (warrior). Takes me 30 mins+ to get a group. Very often people immediately leave the group after it forms. There's so much yelling at people about being far away from the dungeon. I like tanking but ... this shit is fucking annoying.Biggest problem is the LFG tool. It's too random (doing Deadmines with a party of 3 level 16s UM NO) and it has turned everyone into an asshole.Some of what Turtle WoW does is very good, and the most of it is I think, very good. But there's some rough fuckin' edges, dude.
>>733190780plenty of examples in this thread >>733190172a lot of people don't want vanilla, they want retail but a different version of retail. they do not give a shit about the design of vanilla
>>733189018>>733189197>>733189372not to mention how retarded people are who voted yes on this. >Wow arena would be so fun, I could play really fun comps such as SL lock + SL lock>and I will face fun comps such as SL lock + SL lock>every fucking match
season of discover was classic plus and it sucked dick. Just play era or hardcore if you want to play vanilla
>>733190880>a lot of people don't want vanilla, they want retail but a different version of retail. they do not give a shit about the design of vanillaI think retail has become so odious that even retail players have abandoned it and are now looking to infect something else
>>733190780There are a lot of good things about the vanilla design philosophy but faction locked classes isn't one of them, there are too many drawbacks just for the sake of lore.
>>733138547The problem is modern Blizzard players.I have always had a blast on private servers.
>>733190836Sounds like it's just all the retail players on there.
>>733191060The issue is wow players in general.They will destroy the fun.
>>733191020I think it's quite compelling gameplay wise, what do you think is bad about it? it makes a horde warrior play differently from an alliance warrior. It makes almost any group play encounter differ between factions. And it's fun to have the rivalry
>>733190197All high elves needs are body+face arcane warpaints like warcraft 2
>>733191123Being forced to pick one faction to play your favorite class is awful, it reminds me of old Korean MMO design with genderlocked classes, everyone hates shit like this. The only reason you wouldn't must be some warped sense of nostalgia.
>>733190971SoD was Blizzard experimenting seeing if they can slow walk Classic players into liking retail
>>733191020I think they should do the opposite and autistically adhere to the lore, even more than they do in actual vanilla. That would be classic+ to me.
>>733191060>The problem is modern Blizzard playersWhich is exactly whom Classic+ will be made for
>>733191020>there are too many drawbacks just for the sake of lore.There are no drawbacks at all, what the fuck are you talking about?
>>733190836Yeah i keep getting black morass group with level 68 DPS or even tanks. The mobs are 71 orange so they keep critting the tank & resisting DPS damage. Then you get with a 70 group who's actually ready to do the content and it's a night and day difference. Those other fuckers are just greedy wanting endgame gear with their GOGOGO attitudes, then when the group disbands after some wiping none of them walks away thinking they were part of the issue
>>733191236>Being forced to pick one faction to play your favorite class is awfulSo you'd be fine then with any race being any class?
>>733191236>Being forced to pick one faction to play your favorite class is awful,I don't see how this justifies fucking over the unique aspects it adds to gameplay I mentioned to be honest. It's not like factions are cosmetic so no it's not like genderlocked classes
>>733190836>There's so much yelling at people about being far away from the dungeon.I don't get why they queue up for a dungeon they're 20 minutes away from reaching, more selfishness. I queue up outside the entrance so-as not to waste peoples time.One of the first things I heard when joining Turtle WoW is that they were adding the summoning stones, weird they haven't done this yet
>>733191236I like it. It causes your whole destiny in the game world to change if you choose to play a paladin over shaman as you have to play a different faction
>>733191236>likening factions to aesthetic choiceI can see why you'd think that coming from retail, buddy bud.
>>733191508I join groups and immediately demand for a portal while I turn in quests and then roll on all the gear that drops regardless of class.
This tells you everything you need to know about the people who took the survey. >SM Cath and ZF being top 4 best dungeonsWhy? Because these are the 2 dungeons used to sell boosts in Classic.
>>733191279Being locked out of playing the other faction because you want to play a certain class, balance issues stemming from factions having different classes. There are lots of drawbacks.>>733191403No, that doesn't have any major impact on gameplay unlike faction locked classes>>733191475It's precisely because factions aren't cosmetic that it's a bad thing>>733191636You all got fucked on this question in the polls so it's all good.
>>733191846the same polls that said that classic+ should have arena and blood elves and mythic+
>>733191508People use the tool to queue for multiple things at once and then they quest / grind in the meantime waiting for the queue to popIt's the LFG tool that has created a perception of immediacy where there never has been any.It's classic WoW dude
>>733136689blizzard fundamentally misunderstand why people like classic (as seen by season of dicksuckery) so theres 0 chance it could be good
>>733191927Can't win 'em all
>>733191772>BFD and RFD that lowWhy?
>>733191846>It's precisely because factions aren't cosmetic that it's a bad thingthen how is it the same as genderlocked classes? thats just cosmeticYou're saying the factions should be the same? Why?
>>733191772I agree. BRD is the best dungeon in Vanilla Wow.
>>733191846>Being locked out of playing the other faction because you want to play a certain classYou aren't locked out lmao, just make a new character>No, that doesn't have any major impact on gameplay unlike faction locked classesHaving your decisions make a major impact on gameplay is a good thing, dumdum. Having 2 factions that a homogenised and samey is pointless, you might as well not have any factions at all.
>>733191846>muh forsaken paladins
>>733191846so let me get this straight, this is your viewpoint: >I want to play alliance because alliance is different from horde. >However, alliance can't have shamans. I want to play a shaman though. >We should now add shamans to alliance, thus making the factions less distinctLike you understand the issue here right? You're just kinda low IQ to suggest this
>>733191846>balance issues stemming from factions having different classesLove how you sum up the entire point of faction differences and what makes them unique as "potential balance issues" btw
>>733191772>The Stockades that highdisgusting
>>733191772>Pick the top three dungeons you enjoy leveling in in Classic WoWpeople really do enjoy getting boosted lol
>>733192313Another one where people are boosted
>>733191772>BRD being that highNah, that's honestly pretty respectable.
>>733191772What I chose;>Sunken Temple>Maraudon>Zul'FarrakI play tank
>>733192313I'm shocked it's not higher given how popular it is for boosting.
>>733191993>BFDI like it because of the atmosphere but it's easy to miss, has shit gear, and features a lot of underwater sections.>RFD That one genuinly baffles me since it's easily one of the coolest. If I have to guess: Pig sounds.
>>733192407It's a pretty safe bet that BRD will always be at the top.
>>733192013>>733192119I don't see an issue with making the factions less distinct by removing bullshit features, it's a win win. Factions should be aesthetically and thematically different but balanced gameplay-wise to ensure that they're on equal footing. Not give melees a major edge with windfury or make raids easier on alliance side because of paladins, it doesn't make sense.
>>733191772Razorfen downs is the best dungeon in the game
>>733192474I appreciate the scale of BRD, and I know it like the back of my hand, but it's still too much
>>733192494>I don't see an issue with making the factions less distinctThat much is obviousAnon, once you get your way you won't care about which faction you play on anymore because they're both the same. You effectively want the alliance/horde distinction to be cosmetic
>>733192573We still got the races, quests, towns, zones, BG sides, racials etc. Faction locked classes are unnecessary.
>Want to play an MMO>Guild wars 2 is dogshit>People shilling Project Gorgon>Albion online is waiting for youuuu!>Ragnarok private servers suck ass>OSRS is full of bloat and isn't original anything>Wildstar private? they aren't even working on it>New World servers being taken offline>Riot MMO 10 years away>Ashes of Creation complete scam>Tried Neverwinter Nights, complete crap>Lost Ark dead queue system, pay to upgrade gear>Rift fresh start was 5 months ago, gameplay feels awful>Aion classic is a wet turd, janky as hell combat>Look up TERA, cute lolis only redeeming feature>Maplestory Classic 8+ months away>Played WoW to death>Final Fantasy tried numerous times, just cannot get into itGive me a serious recommendation, name one MMO
>>733192689No, we need to balance the races too. I should be able to play a rogue on tauren and if you don’t agree you’re racist.
>>733192689Using your logic those should be removed too because they arbitrarily give one faction an edge. And now you know why retail is shit. It literally is a slippery slope
>>733192474It's good. Pretty much the anti SCM in a lot of ways.
>>733191962>queue up>get invited>all the rest of you are on MY time
>>733191020>>733191846Translation:>waaaaah I want my human racial, salv, AND windfury!I hate you faggots.
>>733192816It's classic WoW dude the queue is making you believe there's an immediacy when there's notYou always had to wait for people to travel even when using traditional group forming methods
>>733189767RPPVP was the best.Greetings from ye olde The Venture Co.
>>733192756>>733192782Some changes are fine while others aren't, you'll have to weight the costs and benefits to figure out which is which. In this case the costs outweigh the benefits, much like dual-spec. Unique racials don't make a huge impact on game balance besides the busted orc stun resist, that should be changed It's that shrimple.
>>733192756I want this unironically, but keep shaman and paladin faction locked
>>733192959Or benefits outweigh the costs* rather
>>733192994Lmao
>>733192689>Faction locked classes are unnecessary.It's necessary to make the gameplay feel different in a meaningful sense.
>>733192959>Some changes are fine while others aren't, Yeah and I told you like 3 times that the paladin/shaman dichotomy makes the faction choice actually interesting and cool you're free to disagree but you're a faggot if you claim it's an objective drawbackalso lol'd at racials don't make a huge impact on game balance. Fear ward moment
>>733193473In vanilia? Fuck no.Leveling experience is fundamentally different. From night elves being locked early on, to the sheer size of the barrens.
>>733193473No it isn't, you don't really feel what the other faction is like besides pvp, and in pvp you're robbed of the experience of fighting the faction locked class in wpvp and BGs. It's just not worth it.>>733193652That's why we're discussing it, your side can't really bring up any good points besides "it feels good", that doesn't do it for me.
All pvp servers would be 100% horde if alliance weren’t given pity paladins. Sad!
Not only should the races have access to fewer classes, not only should there be genderlocked classes, but Priests should be Alliance-exclusive only.Warriors: Everyone except Gnomes (too small to compete physically) & Forsaken (bodies too rotted, too weak).Paladins: Human, Dwarf and High Elves only. As they are the only ones who worship the Holy Light.Priest: Same as above. Yes, Priest is now Alliance-exclusive.Hunters: Human, Dwarf, Night Elf, High Elf, Orc, Forsaken. They have dexterous enough fingers to handle bows, crossbows and guns. Trolls and Tauren have three fingers.Shaman: Orc, Tauren and Troll.Rogue: Everyone except Dwarf, Tauren and Orcs.Druid: Tauren and Night Elves.Mage: Human, Gnome, High Elf, Forsaken.Warlock: Human, Gnome, Orc, Forsaken.Genderlocked classes: Warriors, Paladins and Rogues are male-only.
>>733194152Forsaken shadow priests are a part of the lore.
>>733194152Yes, Classic+ should introduce High Elves to Alliance instead of Draenei.Also forgot to mention Blood Elves:Warrior, Hunter, Rogue, Mage, Warlock.
>>733194217Okay, then lock them out of Holy and Discipline then.
>>733194279>lock this one race out of a spec At least let forsaken speak common.
>>733193851>No it isn't, you don't really feel what the other faction is like besides pvpThis is a good thing stupid. It gives you a reason to play another character and it gives you literally double the amount of things to experience in the game
>>733194369Sounds good to me, you get what I'm saying.
>>733193851>That's why we're discussing it, your side can't really bring up any good points besides "it feels good", that doesn't do it for meThat's just because you ignored it though. The ltieral first reply to you was>it makes a horde warrior play differently from an alliance warrior. It makes almost any group play encounter differ between factions. And it's fun to have the rivalryAnd you were asked what you think is bad about it and your sole answer to that was "wat if I wanna play alliance shaman doe?" without further explanation for why the vanilla setup is bad.
>>733194152Based. Except Tauren shouldn't be druids. Only Night Elves get druids. Also, Forsaken should get Necromancer (can heal undead)
>>733194469Isn't it well-established in the lore that Taurens have druidic traditions? I'm fine with Priests becoming Alliance exclusive only, but Druids as well is just harsh.
faction locked classes weren't a great idea but removing it from vanilla is even dumber because the game was designed around it. the only changes should be to fix outright broken shit or things to prevent certain metas that popped up after people had solved the game between the original end of vanilla and classic release. if you want retail, go play retail.
>>733194512>Isn't it well-established in the lore that Taurens have druidic traditions?No it was a balance decision for Vanilla. In WC3 the Taurens and Night Elves don't interact. Taurens only get shamans.
>>733194701I'm willing to go with lore established by original WoW.
>>733194740But then Horde would get priests lol
>>733194740WoW didn't establish the lore
>>733194826I'm willing to go with lore established by original WoW that isn't retarded.
>>733194849>lore >the lore
>>733194448I could have said that it doesn't make a jack shit of difference to how the warrior plays besides getting an additional autoattack every once in a while or a slight increase in attack power which doesn't impact gameplay at all, just a number on a list. My bad.
>>733194871Tauren druids are retarded
>>733195029Why?
>>733194991>I could have said that it doesn't make a jack shit of difference to how the warrior plays besides getting an additional autoattack every once in a while Good thing you didn't say it because that would be obscenely retarded. Have you ever considered how freedom affects pvp? How healers with bubbles affect warriors? How salv changes their threat mechanics and rotation/gearing choices, and how windfury does the polar opposite? You ever consider how windfury makes certain gearing choices more viable because the additional whitehits make some things scale differently? Ever think about how tremor totems change fights? Ever think about how grounding totems change fights? And this goes for every class and not just warrior btw. That's the beauty of vanilla WoW. You literally have choices that matter, not your retarded homogenized mess idea.
