/v/ was right. The plot twist in this game is beyond retarded. I expected ZTD levels of trainwreck but this shit far surpasses that. Even if it's just a joke, I'm not laughing. Now all the time and money I spent on the series feels like a complete waste. At least the girls are still hot.
Anyone who takes Danganronpa seriously enough to be genuinely upset by the plot twist deserves whatever mental anguish they suffer. The series has always been retarded, and that's part of its appeal.
>>733314902Tell that to KHfags too
>>733314548You're just too low IQ for the ending anonDon't expect me to explain it because V3 enjoyers are redpilled and know everything, heh
>>733314548dont know if bait, but youre an idiot
>>733314548>the plot is everything about the characters are literally fabricatedThanks for killing the investment for the characters.The concept itself is not bad, but that just means I'm not supposed to care about the characters beyond strictly what they DO in the game. After all, after it's over they'll return to being average persons with fabricated past carrying the fictional lies about their dead friends, though it doesn't stop fanartist for pretending that everything about the cast are real all along, but I guess the game itself is supposed to be satirical portrayal of DR fandom, not necessarily a negative one but it could also be.
>>733317750Thatโs what V3 means senpai. 2X2 is going to treat it as distant future if not alt timeline
>>733314902I wasn't upset by it, but it was shit. And then they go on and on and on and on and on and on and on repeating the point after they already revealed the twist. I don't even know how how long it was after that reveal that the game carried on, but it felt like dozens of hours going absolutely fucking nowhere.
>>733318269I'm surprised 2x2 is even a thing after V3 it just feels like pouring salt in the wound. I don't know how much the story will change in 2x2 but no amount of god writing can undone what V3 did to the series.
>>733314902No one would sit through all that dialogue for a joke.
2-3 is just bad because it's rushedV3-5 is downright offensive because the game expects you to be serious during all of itcontrivances, asspulls, character breaks, the whole lot
>>733314548i fucking knew the twist immediately since cosplay bitch goes into the bathroom and its a library so of course its a hidden door. and how would a rube goldberg machine ever kill anyone. fucking pissed me off since cosplay bitch had no personality at all.
>>733314902This always seemed like cope to me.What does take seriously even mean? The games are like 30-40 hours so on some level you are taking it seriously no matter what. That's too long just for a joke.Even a funny comedy clearly takes writing skill.
>>733319072All while suffering from a incredibly debilitating disease, and this was all something that he just learned not even a day ago.All the games have dumb shit but are overall still solidly written, but V3 is just bad, and the fact that it was on purpose just makes it even more obnoxious.
>>733314902Fourth wall break plots are fine when they're done right but V3 didn't just cross the line, it stood on it and pissed all over it. Even Deadpool and Gintama don't go that far.
>entire plot of the game is "here's your unnecessary sequel, faggot"it's dogshit but i kneel nonetheless
>>733314548Yeah, it's funny seeing people act like you're a brainlet for disliking it. I can obviously understand what the fuck Kodaka was trying to say, it's not like there was any depth to it, it's shallow as fuck and incredibly in your face. I'm not 15 though and meta trash does not make me soiface, I just think about how dumb it is.
>>733320967It's a shameThe characters and their interactions/development are great but they are wasted on mid plot
>>733318269V3 was never truly connected to the original series. Just goes to show that V3fags don't even understand V3.
>>733320967The only thing I'll kneel them is that they still had the balls to put the worst rhythm mini games existence at the very end in the trial knowing players were already ready to throw their controllers at any minute. I can't imagine anyone actually sitting through that shit if they bought the game at full price like me.
Was it kino?
>>733322489V3-6 turns her into an innocent angel, so no.>b-b-but she still tried to do it!!Cool. So did Hina, so did Fuyuhiko, so did Maki, but they didn't do it. The rules never had punishments for attempted murder.
>>733314548V3-5 is the worst case in the franchise.Kokichi fans are brainlets.
>>733314902This game taught me why "it was all a dream" is a horrible idea for an ending.
>>733317750>The concept itself is not badHe did it right in hundred line academy
What was her problem?
>>733317750I can't believe he had the gall to make this the twist twice
>>733323482Lesbo
>>733321272I don't know if I should feel NTR'd by Kaido or Maki
>>733322489it would if it wasn't the first case
>>733319072I'm still confused on what they're trying to accomplish in 3-5>made a murder case with ambiguous killer/victim, hoping if Monokuma get it wrong it will break the game>obviously it requires Shuichi to get along with the plan but he has to know which is which first so the trial went on normally>they fumbled when Monokuma just roll with Shuichi's perfect deduction and settled on that>Shuichi finally understood the ploy and made poor adlib, but by that time Monokuma just went "if YOU pick wrong, you all die">then Kaito just revealed himself and busted his own ploy, but it's okay when they failed big time because of "muh clues">it doesn't matter anyway because everything got revealed because K1-b0 accidentally went on rampageLike, the only way Kokichi's plan would work is if Shuichi secretly realized everything halfway through and then just faking it the whole trial to vote Kokichi, but of course the game itself can't have improper trial sequence like that so everything end up wasted and nothing came out of it other than some little plot exposition and another two lives wasted
Danganronpa is more fun as dating sim, just saying.
>>733325741This
>>733314548>filtered by complex motivesYou were born a shitter
Never forget that mugi won in the end and V3 was for nothing
>>733325741Is Danganronpa S worth pirating?
>>733323482Knocked it without trying it
nyeh
>the fictional story I read is, in fact, a fictional storyWhy am I supposed to be mad at this?
>>733314548>>733317750Low IQ btainlets>>733319072>>733324813This is correct though V3-5 is the most contrived pile of shit of a case that it turns around to being obvious and unremarkable. They were trying to recreate Nagito's Wild Ride.>>733327127Always bet on the Moogs
>>733327592she did nothing wrong
Guys let's try doing that seance again
>>733327462It wastes time explaining that. Imagine if the characters in Lord of the Rings said "We're in a book written in the 20th century and none of this happened."
>>733328764Except that's not what they're saying in V3. They aren't saying they're in a video game, and they aren't talking to the player.
People take Danganronpa too seriously. V3 came out around the time everyone started making and watching pretentious video essays, thinking themselves media literate now or whatever. Kodaka in interviews has said that these games are simply meant to be entertaining. Before UDG the games didn't even have any real message to them.
>>733327462The thing is that "nothing is real" was already done.But DR2 does "nothing is real" for the bit, it made sense in-universe and was funny.V3 does it with as much mean-spirited intent as possible. It calls the playerbase amoral creatures who are bloodthirsty for deaths of fictional characters, aiming to make no one care about Danganronpa ever again....Kodaka backpedaled now with 2x2 after everything he touched failed, but still.
>>733329764>the playerbase amoral creatures who are bloodthirsty for deaths of fictional charactersAmoral's debatable but thirsty for death is true. It's the main reason why I did not play World's End Club, what with the death game premise being a bait and switch. It's not so much about the death anyway, but begging for sequel after sequel.
>>733314548You're literally proving the plot twist right
>>733327462Because the fictional narrative the game had been developing on was more interesting than the subversive "JK it's fiction" twist. If you subvert expectations but what you offer is less enjoyable than what the audience expected you've just disappointed them. The fictional elements (the character arcs, story lines, hints at the outside world) are the interesting parts of DRV3, but the game decides rather than bring that narrative to an ending they'd cut if off prematurely and do the meta narrative thing. I don't care if DRV3 is fictional or not, I wanted them to FINISH WRITING the fictional story I was reading.
>>733330098>It's not so much about the death anyway, but begging for sequel after sequel.This argument doesn't work.No matter what you think of DR3, it concluded the Hope's Peak saga. There was nothing else to say after it.V3 cannot be criticism on unnecessary sequels because it is an unnecessary sequel itself. It has no reason to exist beyond spite.
>>733314548>"Nooo! The story and characters that were abysmal dogshit up until now have become super abysmal dogshit!! This ruins everything!!"Filtered, and deserved for taking Danganronpa seriously to begin with.
>>733329764They may not be real, but they are real to them. That is the theme of the game that Shuichi explains constantly, that fiction can change reality. It's not just saying something is fiction and treating the work as irrelevant. What feels like meta commentary are allegories at most. The goal of the game isn't to make people not care about Danganronpa, but to appreciate what works like Danganronpa have done for their lives, and if they are more like Tsumugi, to realize their mistake before it is too late and be inspired to work on themselves. The idea that V3 is a game made out of hatred and spite is absurd.We are specifically NOT the audience of V3's Outside World, despite them using stock photographs in the game. They live in a world of perfect peace, no conflict and suffering, and cling to Danganronpa as this only form of shifting between Hope and Despair in their lives. Were it a le meta thing, Tsumugi would have referred to the writers or put Kodaka's head in the game as some evil God that dictates all their actions like puppets on a string.>>733332587It's not unnecessary just because it didn't follow Hope's Peak, V3 is perfectly allowed to do its own thing. In fact Hope's Peak being perfectly concluded before this allows V3 to be as effective as it is, as it's not just saying fuck you to any remaining plot threads (because there were none). How yes it's trite and repetitive, but the people in the game of V3 don't care, and want it anyways. To us though, we didn't really know it'd be unnecessary until after the end of 3 aired like a month before it released in Japan. Danganronpa V3 pulled the ambiguous truth and lies to end the series that MGS2 tried to do, and only succeeded in part because Kodaka left the studio leaving SpikeChun far less likely to continue a writer driven series without its writer.>>733331129The fictional story was full of holes and changed on the spot by the Moogs because people kept fucking with her game.
Do you think DR will ever get a live action movie or show?
>>733334906>The fictional story was full of holes and changed on the spot by the Moogs because people kept fucking with her game.This is true, but I'd have liked if they just made the non-meta narrative more coherent rather than intentionally poking holes in it. I like the space idea. I like Ouma's secret evil society. I liked that a lot of the Ultimates had criminal professions. I wanted to see where that went. I wanted the things the story was building on to matter to the ending.
>>733334906Wall of cope. ((We)) are supposed to ne the audience
>>733335812>I liked that a lot of the Ultimates had criminal professions.This and the idea of all of them being criminals was scrapped before the game came out, if it was ever truly intended in the first place.>I wanted the things the story was building on to matter to the ending.The whole story was a ruse for what it was really building on, which you'd notice if you paid attention to people like Ouma who knew it was bullshit from the start but just couldn't prove it.>>733336019I didn't know we lived in a world free of conflict or struggle that was obsessed with the Danganronpa TV Show, now on its 53rd season. Or that we were experiencing V3 from Kiibo's perspective.
>>733336120>This and the idea of all of them being criminals was scrapped before the game came outAn exceptional group of teenage criminals being fired off into space for unknown reasons and then being forced to murder each other is a more interesting concept than "what if Danganronpa was reality TV and we just took volunteers and brainwashed them with weird backstories">The whole story was a ruse for what it was really building onSo most of the story we interact with as players...is a meaningless distraction to the actual story? That's not fun. That's wasted time.
>>733336428>So most of the story we interact with as players...is a meaningless distraction to the actual story?Yes, and it's on you for not paying attention to the actual plot that was developing instead of le whacky death game in space that VLR already did.Also you never interact with the Gofer bullshit, you're only told about it in Flashback lights. It has no bearing on what is actually going on at any point in the actual story.
>>733336919>le whacky death gameDangan Ronpa fans are known to hate death games.
>>733327462Because there is nothing for you once the story undermines itself to that extent.The 4th Wall exist for a reason.Especially since for as many jokes as there are, the game is quite clearly taking itself seriously.
>>733336919It's not a skill issue on my part that undermining most of the plot results in a lot of wasted screen time. And is it any better for people who DID see through the ruse? They just had to sit there and listen to a bunch of useless dialogue and lore that they knew was just filler until they got the real reveal.
>>733328928Suuuuuuure.
>>733337653Yes, the world of V3 is not in a video game. The first 10 Danganronpa, including all of Hope's Peak, are video games, anime, and other non-live action stories. After that they switched to Real Fiction, which is what V3 uses.Thanks for confirming you didn't pay attention to the game though.>>733337563"Most of the plot" it's like 5 small scenes with CGs out of a whole game of character relations, murders, and trying to unravel what's going on underneath it. It comes up Chapter 6, but it's Tsumugi trying to bring it up and by that point it should be obvious Tsumugi is trying to throw Shuichi off from the truth.
>>733337563I'm another anon but I agree,It's why being bad/deconstructed on purpose doesn't really work as a complete framework if your intent doesn't justify itself enough.ReZero is a deconstruction of isekai tropes but its still good on top of it.Same with Fear and Hunger and Dungeon crawling, Drakengard and levelgrinding, FF7 and JRPGs, etc.Danganronpa V3 is bad on both fronts.
>>733338142It's disappointing because I feel like DR1 plays off your expectations of the murder mystery genre (especially Ace Attorney with the Sayaka psychic investigation assistant thing), and DR2 riffs on DR1 and the expectations it set as well. They both did great but DRV3 really dropped the ball with its twists. I was enjoying it quite a bit prior.
I don't really get people who say V3's ending somehow retroactively ruins the previous three games.I think what people don't understand is that in V3 Danganronpa started as a video game (like in the real world) and only LATER it became a reality show. They're not retroactively changing the plot of the previous games and telling you it was a reality show all along. V3 is just a different setting where Danganronpa happened to be a video game that exists and people got obsessed with it to the point of creating a reality show with the same idea. It inherently has nothing to do with the main canon story that we have experienced so far. It changes nothing (unless you assume Tsumugi was lying and Danganronpa was real and happened, but that's besides the point).It's the equivalent of an anime being referenced in another anime.
>>733339079Thread's full of people that didn't pay attention, heard "Danganronpa is fiction!" and ignored everything around it.
>>733339079What I don't get is why the Danganronpa fanbase is usually attached to mentally ill waifus
>>733339079I don't think it ruins the precious games but I do think V3's ending could be interpreted as insulting to fans. I didn't want to end Danganronpa. I didn't feel like there were too many entries in the franchise. I didn't think the concepts of Hope and Despair were tired out and ultimately meaningless as both sides wanted the killing game to continue. If you only analyze the events on an in universe level you can rationalize it without perceiving it as offensive, but if you ask the question "what is Kodaka saying to the viewer by saying this is how Danganronpa ends?" it's hard come up with a charitable answer.
>>733337995I think what >>733337653 is saying is that the game actually IS talking to the player with these cheeky 4th wall jokes. They're devaluing their own franchise by mocking it within itself.
>>733339532"what is Kodaka saying to the viewer by saying this is how Danganronpa ends?"Danganronpa already ended with 3, why are you asking this question as though the series didn't already get a conclusion?He's saying dragging as story out beyond its natural conclusion will hurt it in the long run and what the work meant as it becomes more and more oversaturated, so it's best to appreciate what Danganronpa did for you and how real that experience was for you, regardless of it it's fictional.>>733339712Damn bro Danganronpa, which has made fun of itself since its inception, suddenly can't even make a joke about itself without being interpreted as insulting.
>>733339532>what is Kodaka saying to the viewer by saying this is how Danganronpa ends?I think what Kodaka is saying is "man, everyone hated Danganronpa 3, how about we stop the unnecessary sequels here before it gets even worse?", which is kinda true>>733339507Because those are the majority of the Danganronpa girls
>>733340442It's impossible for him to say that, as Danganronpa 3 and V3 were in development at the same time and it'd be impossible for him to know if everyone hated it. I think DR3 was made because he knew what he was going to do with V3 and didn't want people upset about Hope's Peak not getting a conclusion, so better to give it one first.
>>733336120>I didn't know we lived in a world free of conflict or struggle that was obsessed with the Danganronpa TV Show, now on its 53rd season. Or that we were experiencing V3 from Kiibo's perspective.>What is a metaphor.
>>733339532>both sides wanted the killing game to continue.I don't recall the Hope side ever wanting the killing game to continue. It's always the Despair side that keeps coming back and the Hope side is just tired of their shit. That's why they brought up the 'lie' theme as a middle ground in V3, where you're able to meant to reject both Hope and Despair. I don't know how that theme evolved into the whole fiction/4th wall bullshit, but I'm sure it could've been handled way better without making it feel like a middle finger to the players.
>>733339876>Damn bro Danganronpa, which has made fun of itself since its inception, suddenly can't even make a joke about itself without being interpreted as insulting.There's a difference between a one off joke, and making an entire game about undermining yourself.Like what's this nonsense about just because you crack a joke here and there means that you don't actually care about what you're doing?
>>733339876>>733340442Okay, but Danganronpa isn't dragged out, though. Just make more good games. If he can't make them, hand them off to someone who can. Or change up the formula. The fact that there are so many derivatives and knock offs and that Kodaka's own post-DR work borrows so heavily from it shows there was clearly a ton of potential left untapped/
>>733340896Danganronpa V3 isn't about undermining Danganronpa if you actually paid attention to the game and its themes.The game is almost 10 years old how the fuck are we STILL having these retarded interpretations that feel like they came from speed readers?
>>733341023>Danganronpa V3>almost 10 years oldwh-what, but I remember being super hyped for a new Danganronpa and buying it on release date. That must have been like three or two years ago. Danganronpa V3 can't be that old...
>>733341023>Danganronpa V3 isn't about undermining DanganronpaYes, Anon, we did listen to Shuichi screeching for 4 hours. I'm talking about real life.Just because they argue it isn't undermining itself doesn't mean I have to agree, as it clearly does. I'm not arguing that it undermines the series as V3 is clearly a separate universe. But at the end of the day, it's still a game I paid for.All of the trials have fundamental flaws, characters actions don't make any sense, tropes are rehashed and reused. Dumb plots that objectively go nowhere. Just because it's the point doesn't mean my $60 isn't gone.Just because something is the point doesn't make it good. You have to justify it.
>>733340712In DRV3's ending:>K1-B0 (literally Hope in Japanese) is the stand in for the in-universe Danganronpa 53's audience>they are making an effort to overcome despair and persist in hope in typical DR fashion>K1-B0 is willing to sacrifice himself in the name of hope to protect his friends>Shuichi says that this will just result in the killing game going on forever if Hope keeps overcoming Despair>The audience wants to see Hope win and keep Danganronpa going, so they take control of K1-B0>the only way to end the killing game is to reject both hope and despair and defeat K1-B0 and this is supposed to be a good thing, undermining what Hope has stood for in every previous DR game
>another retard who misunderstands the ending
>>733341431All of those are you not liking V3 and blaming the game for it.You think it's undermining itself, but the whole point of the game is that a lie can be just as powerful if not moreso than a truth, and that includes Fiction."Dumb plots that objectively go nowhere" The Gofer plot isn't supposed to go anywhere, it's all bullshit and way more absurd and unbelievable than anything in the actual game you're supposed to be paying attention to. The actual things in V3 that are left unanswered, who's lying and who's telling the truth, are fundamentally irrelevant, because for the one actual meta layer, what matters is about how you felt about it, and how it impacted you. There are no concrete truths about V3, because it's your experience up to your interpretation. It's all carefully crafted and deliberate.You're free not to like it, but you can't blame the game for your lack of comprehension.
>>733341561>>733341023Look, it's great you like the ending but you really need to get over yourself. People can hate DRV3's ending and still "get it". I understand what it was trying to do. I'm saying it failed and made both itself and the rest of the franchise look bad because it failed to execute what it set out to do effectively. It's like the new Star Wars sequels.
>>733339079That plot isn't very good or interesting though anonFuck it's not even the focus of the story even slightly, if they had dropped that twist 2-3 cases earlier it could have worked
>>733341765If you're comparing V3 to the Star Wars sequels then no, you did not get it.
>>733314548>another DR threadgarbage. read anything better. English mystery VNs on Steam from the past few years:>Beyond R: Rule Ripper>Birth ME Code >Blankspace>Bound Between Desks>Clean Slate>CORPSE FACTORY>Decide 4 God (Out now in full 1.0)>Detective Instinct: Farewell, My Beloved>The Divine Deception>Entropic Float: This World Will Decay And Disappear>The Game of Fourtune>Head AS Code (remake)>Look Inside>Methods: The Detective Competition>The Price of Flesh>Quantum Suicide>Reaplaced>Shards of Chaos>The Specters Desire>SYNESTHESIA>Thief's Roulette>The Zodiac TrialEnglish mystery VNs on Steam that are to-be-released:>The Lost Delinquents of Rollings High>NO MORE WORK FOR ITO>Ubel>Underground22>Whispering Memories (March 6)>The Wonderland Killings
>>733341812You can say that. But the point is that it still doesn't retroactively ruin anything. It's a self-contained plot separate from the main story by its very nature
>>733341693>All of those are you not liking V3 and blaming the game for it.
>>733342083I'd say it's not as retarded as you think, but I think you're pretty retarded so you can't think properly. You can not like something and have it still be a great thing on its own. It's called "Not for you", and it's a concept that has been lost on /v/ for generations.
I want to CUM BLAST into Miu's womb.
V3 had some of the weaker cases, but ultimately best endgame cast and overall story. it kept me hooked more than the other games did, and I think it's just best most polished game in the series.I don't understand people who got insulted, this doesn't make sense to me. the game tells an insane wacky story in order to get across its themes, mostly subverting hope/despair and leaning into the lies and deception and how intertwined they can end up being with truth. I enjoyed it, I don't know why I would take offense since it's more of a surprise that it wasn't connected in any meaningful way to the rest of the series.isn't that what the series is known for, outlandish crazy plots that go apeshit in the third act to get you to think about goofy anime scifi shit? each game tried to subvert more and more expectations, this one did it so far that it wasn't even a real sequel, that came off pretty charming to me
It's pretty ironic for Shuichi to call players and developers evil for enjoying his suffering while the same game also has a dating sim mode where he gets to fuck all the girls.
>>733341693Adding in intentionally dumb plotlines as red herrings isn't enjoyable, though. It's wasting time. If what matters is how I felt about DRV3 it failed because I felt disappointed and it impacted me far less than the previous entries. And if it's all up to interpretation why are you beating people over the head with your interpretation?DRV3 is all about lies and fiction so the reader is supposed to feel lied to because a bunch of the plot and characters are in-universe fiction that doesn't matter. Great, there's a connection there between how the reader and Shuichi are feeling about the twist. But that's not a good feeling. If Danganronpa 2 forced you to watch 3 hours of puppies being thrown into woodchippers so the audience could feel the same despair Hajime is feeling that wouldn't make DR2 a better story. It would just make the audience unhappy and kill the pacing. DRV3 says that even if something isn't true or we don't have all the answers our feelings about that fiction and how we reacted to it is the real, tangible impact. Great, I am in the same place as Shuichi, trying to find meaning in a sea of lies without the full context. Cool. But again, this doesn't make for a good story. When most of what we spend time on in the story is the false characters, false plotlines and false setting, I'm obviously going to be more attached to those elements than the truth I'm given in the final act. So I wanted an ending to THOSE things.
I just hope they respect Shuichi's message of not wanting any more lives to be toyed for entertainment and doesn't give V3 a remake.2x2 get a pass because it's a simulation and everyone are still alive (besides Chiaki who was long gone). Unless.....V3 remake also pulled the same ending.
>>733342296>"I think this isnt not for me because its retarded">ITS GOOD ITS GOOD ITS GOOD ITS GOOD [SCHIZOPHRENIC WALL OF TEXT]
>>733344520>it is too late, I made you the chud and myself the chad
>>733314548LOL DANGANRONPA 53!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ITS FUNNY BECAUSE WE ARE CONTINUING TO ABUSE THE NUMBER 5 BY NEVER USING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>733342296>You can not like something and have it still be a great thing on its own.But it's not. Like what?I like 1 and 2, but don't like V3. I can explain why I don't like V3, and no one can refute my points without going "Yea but it's supposed to be bad because fiction matters lol."You don't have to take my opinions as gospel as it's already implied that my opinion is just that. You're free to like as many bad things as you want.
>DR4 is realI still can't believe it. HYPE.
>>733341693>The Gofer plot isn't supposed to go anywhere, it's all bullshit and way more absurd and unbelievable than anything in the actual game you're supposed to be paying attention to.This is what I mean by just because something is "the point" doesn't immediately justify everything it wants to do or be.Yes, the game isn't supposed to make sense (Even characters constantly point it out) to serve the reveal, but is that really worth stringing along people for 30+ hours?Why not just tell a good story if you have the time to be "ironic" for so long?
>>733314548Filtered by V3. The correct way to play dr is to like the 1st game, and slowly get disappointed by how bad 2 and despair girls are. And then swear off Dr after the dogshit anime. Then V3 comes along and destroys everything. And you feel nothing because you already were disappointed by how bad the franchise was getting. If the ending offended you, you simply are retarded and think 2 and dr3 anime were good and should end your life
>>733343575>Red herrings are a waste of timeYou must really hate mysteries, huh?>And if it's all up to interpretation why are you beating people over the head with your interpretation?I was referring to interpretations of the game's events, not this misguided idea that Kodaka fucking hated Danganronpa games and made the game out of spite.>I'm obviously going to be more attached to those elements than the truth I'm given in the final act.Aside from the gofer project which how could you ever give a fuck about that, then yes caring about the cast is the point.>>733345725>ironicV3 was never being ironic. Its message is earnest.>>733345031>"Yea but it's supposed to be bad because fiction matters lol."I mean if you ignore what everyone is actually saying then yeah I guess you can interpret their points as that.
>>733346127The honest Kodoka that said Kaede is the main character pre releaseHe hated the playerbase, nigger
>>733346498>Concealing a twist pre-release is the same as being a blatant liarI think you may be too stupid for Danganronpa, which is a feat.
>>733346536>he lied to make the story betterYes.
>>733346652Why would Kodaka spoil his own plot twists in a story reliant game before it comes out?Are you actually stupid?He doesn't lie in interviews after the game actually came out where he can openly talk about its themes and twists.
>>733346716A lie is a lie.He lied for the twist, then he lied to damage control the backlashNotice how that lie is the only "real" argument against the audience being you
>>733346498He still is lolNotice how every advertisements and collabs still putting Kaede as the face of V3 despite her only exist for one chapter solely for the sake of protag switch bait
>>733346813You're just going to paint him as a liar because he made a plot with a twist in it and had to conceal the twist before the game came out.Yeah no you really are just retarded.
>>733346839>HeKodaka hasn't worked at Spike Chunsoft for years.
>>733346892Youre the one missing the plot, the game is about lies and truth. Lying isnt a bad thing in of itself, the Kaede lie is fine but I mention it to set the precedent the Kodaka has and will lie to benefit the product
>>733347052You're the one missing the plot actually because you refuse to acknowledge the significance of the context that he is lying for (story reasons) to apply malicious intent (misleading customers solely to benefit the product)
>>733347110Both benefit the product.
>>733347138The difference is the nature. One is to conceal a plot twist when promoting the game, and one is about interviews encompassing the whole game, including spoilers, and his intentions.One is marketing for the sake of a plot twist, but Kodaka has not lied in interviews discussing the true nature of his games.
>>733346127>V3 was never being ironic.The fact that it has a fake plot makes this objectively wrong, I'm sorry.Irony literally means you don't mean what you're saying.Now that is fine. Plenty of good games do that, but there is something good there even without it.Like why does the first trial objectively lie to the audience? Why didn't Kirumi leave Ryoma's body in his Ultimate room? Why does Kokichi say he wants to end the killing game and save everyone but then refuses to stop the killings (and even instigates one)? Why didn't Miu use the Exisal Key to stop Monokuma? Why would Gonta listen to Kokichi after time and time again he's shown to be a liar (Yes I know, but I'm talking about at first) Why is 3-5 a contrived mess? Why does everyone lie to each other literally all the time (You know its bad when the fucking serial killer is the only one who never actually betrays anyone), even to their own detriment?V3 is just a bad game, anon.
>>733347232The reason is the same. To enhance the experience of the game. If retards believed him that the audience wasnt them, the game would be better. If they believe the Kaede lie, the game would be better. It's his MO, from Sayaka in DR1 to Hundred Line not flopping
>>733343575Exactly what I'm feeling.Though it is also true the opinion on the ending can be very subjective. For people who simply play it as another game to consume, the meta plot just feel like an awesome twist, but for people who wanted to feel invested in the characters it just feel like painful kick in the nuts.Maybe that's what the plot was masterfully tailored to all along, "truth is in the eye of the beholder" as Shuichi puts it. The fact that fanartists are still invested in the characters might as well in line with their message how fiction can be cherished, but it doesn't relief the pain seeing these artists are using deeper cope logic that ignores a lot of canon context, as if they desperately wanted them to be real all along and what I think should be catered to.>>733345891This can also be true.I think the game did point out/implicate how ridiculuous the original DR plotline is, so you can easily make a conjecture that the reason they came up with V3 plot is they realized the whole "a 17 year old caused a world-ending event" is retarded and refused to continue with it.
>>733347435>Like why does the first trial objectively lie to the audience?It doesn't, Kaede's inner thoughts are clear as day and if you replay the chapter it doesn't hide her plotting at all. As for why the fake culprit was killed, well that's the point. The whole game is a lie and the rules are bullshit. That's also a recurring element, as the same applies with Danganronpa 1-5 where that whole trial is a massive farce as well.>Why didn't Kirumi leave Ryoma's body in his Ultimate room?Overcomplicating a plan which is something someone of her high position might do.>Why does Kokichi say he wants to end the killing game and save everyone but then refuses to stop the killings (and even instigates one)?Because Kokichi feels that the only way he could do it is to find the mastermind. His room shows him trying to narrow it down.He instigates Case 4 because of the belief that they wouldn't manage to find the Blackened, which would leave the audience with an unsatisfactory ending. His plan would have worked if Gonta wasn't stupid. Same for Case 5 where he does this on a larger scale to try and prove the mastermind a fraud, his plan would have worked had Kaito not revealed himself to save his friends.>Why didn't Miu use the Exisal Key to stop Monokuma?This one's been a while and I'd need a refresher on, but the answer is "Do you really think TDR'd just let her do that?">Why is 3-5 a contrived mess?Because Kodaka wanted to recreate Nagito's Wild Ride, I don't like that case either.>>733347493You are again assuming negatively of Kodaka's entire character solely due to marketing material and pre-release interviews where he wouldn't want to spoil the game. This would be defamation of character if I ever saw it.
>>733345891Thinking anything other than DR1 being the worst is peak contrarian. It felt like an unrefined proof of concept.
It's been 9 years. Move the fuck on already.
>>733347925>It doesn't, Kaede's inner thoughts are clear as day and if you replay the chapter it doesn't hide her plotting at all.Cmon, now.>Overcomplicating a plan which is something someone of her high position might do.>Because Kokichi feels that the only way he could do it is to find the mastermind. His room shows him trying to narrow it down.You mean the thing everyone keeps trying to do and yet he keeps starting shit?>He instigates Case 4 because of the belief that they wouldn't manage to find the Blackened, which would leave the audience with an unsatisfactory ending. His plan would have worked if Gonta wasn't stupid. What? He told him to murder someone! He can't have it both ways.>his plan would have worked had Kaito not revealed himself to save his friends.Because everyone would die if he didn't. I hope you see why Kokichi is just a badly written character.>This one's been a while and I'd need a refresher on, but the answer is "Do you really think TDR'd just let her do that?"Yes, likely she was flashbacked into creating a murder, same with Kirumi, but you can kinda see why Flashback lights are a shitty plot device.Theres plenty of other flaws. What would be the point in framing Himiko or Angie if objectively theres no way they could have done it, and on top of it that, all that work just to die for no reason?Even the worst trial in 1, 1-3 at least makes sense as the point of the plan was to frame Hiro, and a lot of the flaws with the plan was because of Hifumi's own fuck ups and autism. Celeste couldn't account that Hifumi would wipe his glasses, or that he'd made a giant robot. It's not a crime for a character to be dumb but it has to be reasonable, especially if the character is shown to be highly competent.Why didn't she use a pair of jeans or a towel?
>>733348721>PicHer thoughts aren't lying. She is correct, Rantaro's killer is in the room with them. She thinks it's herself, and she is in the room. The game is showing the others to throw off your scent, but Kaede is not lying.>yet he keeps starting shit?He doesn't want to be predictable to the Mastermind.>Because everyone would die if he didn't.Kokichi's belief was definitely that they wouldn't, because he doesn't believe the Mastermind would actually go through with that because it'd be shitty to whoever was actually watching them. He realized they were being treated as a spectator sport pretty early on, and remember he already believes the mastermind is full of shit.>What would be the point in framing Himiko or Angie if objectively theres no way they could have done it, and on top of it that, all that work just to die for no reason?Because she believed she could make it out of there alive and get back to serving her country if she could point someone in a direction and get them more likely to vote on that person.
>>733347925 >It doesn't, Kaede's inner thoughts are clear as day Youโre coping. The game very deliberately withholds the crucial detail (the shotput setup) while showing you red herrings through her POV. Thatโs not โKaede technically didnโt lie,โ thatโs the narrative lying by omission. If your defense hinges on semantic gymnastics about her phrasing instead of what the player is actually shown, youโve already conceded the point.>Overcomplicating a plan Thatโs not overcomplicating, itโs contrivance. Kirumi is portrayed as hyper-competent and pragmatic. Leaving the body in the most thematically obvious location would have been both cleaner and harder to trace. The weird gym setup exists because the trial needed setpieces, not because itโs in-character.>Kokichi doesnโt want to be predictable Thereโs a difference between being unpredictable and actively sabotaging your own stated goals. If your master plan requires everyone else to read your 4D chess mind while you antagonize them nonstop, thatโs not clever writing, itโs forced drama. Nagito worked because his ideology was consistent. Kokichi oscillates between โend the gameโ and โlol randomโ depending on what the plot needs.>He believed the mastermind wouldnโt go through with it Which is an insane gamble with everyoneโs lives based on pure meta assumptions. And weโre supposed to read that as genius instead of reckless stupidity? The entire 3-5 plan only โalmost worksโ because everyone else behaves exactly how the script wants them to.And the Kirumi framing point still stands. Framing someone who objectively could not have committed the crime doesnโt increase your odds, it just wastes time. V3 constantly inflates complexity without improving logic.You can like the themes. You can like the characters. But pretending the plot mechanics are airtight is just fanboy revisionism.
>>733349179>pretending the plot mechanics are airtightName a single fucking game in this series where that is the case
>>733347925>defamation!requires it to be false
>>733347925Writing that twist in the first place does indeed require and intent to lie and misled. If its okay to lie about fiction once, why the sudden protest at the idea that he'll do it twice?
>>733349220>I concede by admitting the series writing is shit
>>733342812>ultimately best endgame castAbsolutely not. I'd argue it's the worst.
>>733349220You've basically conceded it's bad if that's the only thing you can say.And 1 and 2's cases are pretty well written with few outliers.Every flaw is reasonable, while in V3 characters do stupid bullshit that don't make sense on any level.
>>733349220Thatโs such a lazy deflection lmao.No one said the series was airtight, weโre saying V3โs flaws are way more blatant and structural instead of โlol Hifumi is a dumbassโ tier mistakes.DR1 has 1-3 as a mess but itโs a character-driven mess. 2 has 2-3 being bloated but the core logic still tracks. The motives, the setups, the culprit psychology-generally consistent, even when overcomplicated.V3 repeatedly hinges entire cases on:- characters withholding obvious info for drama- mastermind interference handwaved by flashback lights- plans that only work if everyone else acts OOCโNone of them are airtightโ isnโt the gotcha you think it is. Thereโs a difference between imperfect writing and writing that collapses the second you stop being wowed by the meta twist.V3 wants you to forgive plot holes because โitโs about lies,โ which is clever thematically but doesnโt suddenly make the machinery underneath less sloppy.
>>733353389Thanks, ChatGPT.
I was so incredibly let down by V3, but years later, I don't even think it's because of the twist. I mean, when you think about it objectively, I think it's a pretty interesting idea. Maybe what really sucked is the implementation. It feels like a hook straight to you jaw instead of a "HOLY SHIT" moment. I guess Tsumugi isn't as charismatic as Junko, and the plot twist couldn't be delivered with the same intensity as the ones in the previous games.
>>733353389a very good point, anon
Maybe I played too much Town of Salem, but the detective making it to the end without even a single attempt on his life is completely retarded.Needs too much suspension of disbelief, and could only be written by someone as self-absorbed and pretentious as Kodaka.
3-3's real crime is how nobody noticed Kiyo carrying and placing the sickle when he was putting down the cloth while everyone else were standing in the corner and Kiyo was in the center for everyone to see
The twist was just shit. It invalidates everything that came before it, which is fine, but adds nothing. I would have shat my pants and jizzed if it was my first meta plottwist, but every faggot and his grandmother has been pulling meta twists for the last half-century, so there's nothing shocking or unique about this particular one at all. If it's not interesting or shocking then what's the point?And putting aside the twist the games have clearly been getting worse over time. 2 had a bunch of tracks copied over from 1 and remixed, 3 had the same thing happen, the average trial quality keeps decreasing and the amount of annoying characters that keep repeating the same phrase just keeps increasing. The brown cult whore had me wanting to bash my fucking skull into a wall and die, and the edgy red chipmunk got on my nerves too. I found the game enjoyable and don't regret playing it, but it's clearly worse than the ones before it and the ending completely fumbled. Any other twist would have been better.Also I am pretty sure the hack will eventually come crawling back and make yet another Danganronpa by saying the blue cunt was also implanted with false memories and that everything she said was false and completely meaningless, trampling on this already awkward ending.
>>733355624To be fair, no one could have.Kirumi could only kill Ryoma since he let him kill her (allegedly), and Shuichi hadn't really become a visible "thorn" yet. Kiyo only kills girls, and then 4 and 5 don't really involve any other character but those present.
