>millennials and zoomers are now making "focus M" memes about Ocarina of Time as a handholdy modern moviegame>blissfully unaware that OoT was already the handholdy moviegame of its time derided for constantly stopping the player so various animations can play and so Navi could Hey Listen handhold the player The passage of time is a funny thing
>derided for constantly stopping the player so various animations can playLiterally never happened
>>733339443These meme attempts suck ass because there's still too much gameplay, the Mario one was perfect since it was a slow unreal engine imitation
Admit that AAA was a mistake, boomer.
alttp is for retards and there are zero hard puzzles or anything. the water temple by itself shits on everything hard to figure out in alttp
Its just a joke holy shit
>>733339443autistic retards be like
>>733339572There's also a clip of Sequelitis going around complaining about that exact thing. Apparently people are taking it seriously.
>>733339443the focus m meme died almost instantly. most people (on xitter) did not get that meme
>>733339893don't underestimate autism
>the zoomer is back with his templatehttps://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/%22blissfully%20unaware%20that%22/type/op/
>>733339925Now that I cant blame zoomies if they dont realize Arin was always a retarded clown and we made fun of him and his shit opinions the moment he stopped making metal gear awesome
>>733339707AAA moviegames, which were conceived by OOT and FF7, were a mistake
>>733339572Hey Listen is literally one of the oldest and enduring memes in gaming, the absolute audacity of newfags like you to rewrite history.
>>733339729Water temple isn't hard, just annoying
>>733340049forced navi conversations are extremely sparse in the game
>>733339443The joke is bad dialogue, ootschizo.
>>733339443I played oot 3DS and the memes about Navi were totally false. she's completely uninvasive.further more modern games where the characters never shut the fuck up are way worse.voice acting is a scourge on gaming. bring fucking textboxes back and arrest any devs who try to put voices in their games.
>>733339443Same guy did the same thing with Mario 64. Guess that's a movie game too, so sayeth your god, Xitter.As usual, OP is very ugly on the inside and outside.
What the fuck is focus m?
HEYHEY, LISTEN
>>733340168I prefer reading dialogue but a voiced character speaking to you as you play is literally less intrusive than constantly being stopped to read shit
>>733340245it's not because you can just skip dialogue boxes on replays but voice acting will literally ruin any boss fight because you have to listen to inane talking every time you want to replay the fight.Boss Vergil DMC5 is so much fucking worse than Boss Vergil DMC3 for this very reason.just shut the fuck up with the story dialogue throw that in a skippable cutscene and just let me play the fucking boss fight with no cringe interrupting it.I don't want to hear the same exchange for the 20th.
Skulluta
>>733340223Somebody made a UE5 Mario parody with a modern AAA game checklist and gave it quirky voice acting, which went viral on Twitter. Basically the same jokes /v/ has made for over 15 years now but a bit fancier.
>>733339989There's so many copypaste template threads, I wouldn't be surprised if it's all bots at this pointpost 2015 /v/ is so bad
>>733340245>>733340468Pic related
>>733339443>blissfully unaware that OoT was already the handholdy moviegameACpedo thread.
>>733340049that's just regarding the sound cue that plays whenever she's pointing something out to you, nothing is "forced"
>twatter makes a funny joke for once>come to /v/ to see some boomer seething about itSo predictable
>>733340526Why am I not surprised its twittershit
>>733340802they're seething on twatter too
>>733339443How many times are you forced into a conversation with navi? I can remember the vines in Deku Tree and any time there was a floormaster in an upcoming room, the rest you could ignore. I'll take "HEY LISTEN" over the incessant fucking yapping modern companions do, worst of all being someone just blurting out the solution to a puzzle if you take longer than 10 seconds on it. If a game does that shit I will stop playing immediately and uninstall, FUCK that drives me crazy
>>733340014metal gear*
>>733340781So when she's handholding shit like focus M?
>>733340168> I played a remake made literally decades after the original with a variety of QoL changes and it wasn't at all like the original game!We need to put lead back in gasoline, the microplastics aren't keeping the solar rays out of the zoomies heads and their brains are melting.
>>733342023what dialogue of behaviour of Navi did they change in the 3DS?
>>733341424Some guy in an old gamefaqs thread played through the game and counted and apparently you're only forced to talk to her 10 times
>>733339925How was Arin wrong though? When you compare OoT to Alttp the game feels super sluggish.>AlttP, entering a room takes half a second. OoT takes like 5 seconds>AlttP, opening a chest takes half a second. OoT takes like 5 seconds (same for buying items, OoT has dialogue explaining how to use bombs/arrows/sticks/etc EVERY time)>AlttP, you get hit by an enemy, you just flinch. OoT you go flying backwards, fall, and get up in like 5 seconds (some weaker hits do make you flinch)>AlttP, pushing a block takes half a second. OoT can make you push a block across a room for a minute to get somewhereAnd don't say it's because it's "3D". They could make it so he doesn't have to hold every item over his head for 5 seconds or doors unlock instantly without slowly zooming over. I get that people weren't used to 3D games then but now it's just dumb.Basically Arin's assessment of OoT boils down to this. And keep in mind that he's drawing comparisons to AlttP (and by extension 2D Zeldas)>everything feels slow>almost every enemy encounter makes you wait for an opening (it's fine if there is one or two but srsly there are a lot)>not enough epic 1v1 fights which is what 3D excels at. Instead OoT keeps 2D Zelda design by having enemies swarm around you which can be mildly annoying (although Arin seems to REALLY struggle with it, he still has a point) >dungeon items are super predictable, as well as the type of bossIt's a shame Arin showed how bad he was at the game because I really do agree with his analysis.
>>733342364She tells you to stop playing and take a break after an unreasonably short amount of time like every nintendo game from that era
>>733340096you are thinking of Majora's mask, one of the biggest flaws in og ocarina is how fucking annoying Navi is, so annoying that it became one of vidia earliest memes to just hate on her, Tattle on the other hand is optional 80% of the time, past the intro and some sequences after completing a temple its optional to talk to her.
>>733342896i forgot majora's mask went woke
How come these "modern game" videos never make fun of the forced blacks and gays in modern gaming?
the bit with you're a killer just like me was funny
>>733342896Sex with Tatl while Tael watches
>>733340168Textboxes don't work in modern games, the graphics and animations are too detailed to get away with it.
>>733339443>Focus, Z
>>733339925that guy complains about things in OoT that are present in the 2d zeldas he loves. i honestly think his distaste for the game comes from his poor spatial awareness in 3d setting and a nostalgic bias for older games
>>733340168Maybe im misrembering but I think the placement of navi can be inconvenient. Like youre trying to look at a sign or pick something up and navi talks to you
>>733342896Navi forces interactions twice. The meme was always forced from idiot normie millennials with two brain cells shared between the entire hive mind.
>>733343421This isnt remotely true. Almost every Japanese game still uses them for non important npcs. >hey x!> text boxThen for games likes fo4, it showed how much voice protagonist took away from the game. But I dont think theyre going to learn from it. The illusion of dialogue choices is extremely annoying. > 4 options> only 2 recorded lines
>>733339925Dont make me post that retards playthrough, dumbass cant do shit on a E rated game
>>733339925Ive seen anons complain about weird shit like sariah on the bridge and getting two ocarinas. The one that's never complained about is the fucking owl. Which actually was kind of annoying. I feel like he pops up with the longest sequence of text boxes and its just an owl twitching.
>>733339443>>blissfully unaware that OoT was already the handholdy moviegame of its time derided for constantly stopping the player so various animations can play and so Navi could Hey Listen handhold the playerwhat kind of zoomer cope is this? people still whine about the water temple to this day, and zelda was made into open world slop because normalfags and zoomers can't handle large, labyrinth-like dungeons.
>>733340049Navi never stopped you and forced a tutorial in your face fucking retard.
>>733344376She kinda does for the first two dungeons which its literally possibly someone's first 3d game of all time so no shit they wanted to explain some things but text wise its really brief compared to the average modern game that loves to waffle about and I just replayed oot a few months ago. Post dudongos Navi barely exists like I just forgot she existed after a bit I suppose if you get lost and actually press the up c button but that's on the player. What's the issueTldr hey listen is a overblown unfunny meme parroted by kids that got stuck at the start of the game
They call them “Focus, M” parodies but Focus, M was based on the Insomniac Spider Man games right? I only played the 2018 one but everything about it was literally just that.
>>733339443What's focus M?https://youtu.be/uEWzAaGh-bI?si=O0bT3TVr7Ji-42Dt
>>733340573You're probably correct.
i was literally today's old when i realised ocarina is pronounced ocarina
>OoT>handholdy moviegame>because it had very sparse optional messages from Navi, to people who were experiencing a 3D game for the first time in their entire livesI swear some people only see the world through cultural osmosis and don't understand anything about it.
>>733344658No it's not, fucking moron. It's ocarina
>>733344565https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKMD4t2Dbl8
I'm glad people are finally reverting from Egoraptor's shitty OoT vs ALTTP video. A lot of the arguments he said were parroted for so many years by normies, and I thought I was being gaslit into thinking I was wrong for liking OoT so much. The biggest argument against it was that the combat was too slow, which was complete BS because the game offers so many tools at your disposal to break the game in half. Deku Nuts almost obliterate any enemy.
>>733339443I hope Nintendo doesn't fall for the two of making AAA games exclusively. They were kinda of AA games and they were fantastic.
>>733339443I was think the same thing when i saw some videos titled “If Ubisoft made GoW 2018 / If Ubisoft made RE4 Remake”. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss7ktL_Y6VY
>>733344773Alttp knob slobbering will forever be strange to meIt's an incredibly forgettable game with annoying ass gameplay and mediocre puzzles. I don't see what others see in it
>>733339443>I'm stopped for animations too often!Sorry, nobody else is bored out of their mind because an animation took five seconds longer than it strictly had to. No, not even if I have to see it four times per dungeon.>Navi talks too much!The only way in which this is true is that the prompt for her to remind you what the current story state is will pop up like every two minutes sometimes. Usually when you're between major areas. The people talking about how she was outright annoying, overly handholdy, or useless were making hyperbolic jokes; normalfags saw the jokes and made them their actual opinions about the game.
>>733344930I really don't get the chest hate. Yeah it's a 4 second animation you see a dozen times in the whole game that builds up anticipation for the item you're going to get.Literally who fucking cares? Lol what how the fuck am I supposed to take a review seriously when this is the hard hitting virtue like oh geez I guess it's a 2/10 instead of perfect
>>733339925He will never escape from that videohttps://xcancel.com/egoraptor/status/2024033939925635339
>>733343646I never actually realized why this forced meme exists but this is the first time its made sense
>>733339443>Navi was FORCED on the playerLiterally skill issue. Don't Z target, then and she doesn't exist.
>>733344910It's definitely not forgettable at all, I think you're overcompensating for your personal dislike of the game. And the puzzles were the same or better than either of the games before it.
>>733345156He's a grown ass man. you can just have a conversation, but also no I think he really did just want to shit on the classic even if he grew up with it which yeah he probably did. He's the perfect age and American which was the region that preferred the n64 I think he was just being a /v/ chud, you guys make threads all the time trying to tear down beloved games with minor bullshit all the time
If we're gonna post movie game quotes...
>>733345287Its extremely forgettable, I only played though it's gba port the once and I genuinely couldn't tell you any of the dungeon themes besides forest and ice And puzzles? Most of them were Zelda 1 level push blocks puzzles lol
>>733340049Compared to modern games it's practically non existent. Nothing will be as bad as fi beeping to tell you you're low on hearts which is also beeping at the same time to tell you you're low on hearts
>>733345106The people who unironically think like this are just suffering from ADHD. They dress it up in a lot of ways, one of the most common on /v/ being to claim that gameplay is all that matters and thus any deliberate slowing or pause of the gameplay is bad.Many people are just looking for anything that can be called issues with Ocarina of Time because they feel like it's still put on too much of a pedestal. Which is fucking crazy when even Aonuma has outright said he thinks people only like it due to nostalgia!
>>733345156>>733345335>he finally admits he did it for the sake of contrarianism since OoT was seen as the holy grail at the timeI feel completely validated after all these years.
>>733339443Craziest part about these memes is they can be ascribed to nintendo games on account of MP4. It’s not “modern games” only in the sense of what sony typically shits out, if nintendo made these games today this is literally what they would do>>733340526The UE5 mario actually came first while the dialog was added by some random a few years later. It’s funny since the dialog version was what blew up in popularity while the original upload got almost nothing. Hell most people think the guy who added the dialog IS the original guy who did the video
>>733345335>He's the perfect age and American which was the region that preferred the n64See the thing is, he fucking sucks at every video game he's ever tried to play on screen. Even the ones he would've grown up with. I think he grew up on an internet where most users were moderately nerdy members of the upper middle class, which meant a lot of gamers, and thus he developed a lot of opinions from indirect exposure.
>>733345470I actually like it now that Im older than back then probably because when I played oot as a kid I was a little little one and it was too hard. Now Its the ultimate comfy game that feels like a full completed adventure
>>733339572Ocarina of Time goes out of its way to be cinematic with careful camera movements, framing and elaborate animation. It was as close to a moviegames as an N64 game could get.
>>733345604Any degree of "movie game" OOT can qualify as is one I don't think poses an issue.
>>733345604You're thinking about actual cutscenes which oot had like going into the iron boot roomHe's probably thinking like modern game where you you can only press up on the stick while your character slows and gets talked to with animations playing out or some shit
i masturbated to a fucking FISH
>>733345715She had massive fucking titties and proclaimed herself your wife, it's not your fault, could've happened to anyone
>>733339572Happened every fucking dungeon>push a switch>let me show you which door unlocked somewhere else in the dungeon>kill all the enemies in the room>let me zoom to the door to shownit unlocking>did you pick up a key>let me tell you how keys workIt was fucking god awful
>>733345496So many people tried to tear down oot in the last decade with the most half baked shit idk bro is oot underrated now?Like people actually pretend it has zero atmosphere and majoras shits on it when majoras only has 4 half baked dungeons and it's interesting time gimmick is just a side thing that doesn't actually matter outside of very few side quests
>>733345841>a text box popping up that you mash through in less than a second is something crippling that people were up in arms about!No.>but we were all epic gameplay purists before you mean casuals came along, nobody had any tolerance for a game making us WAITYou have actual fucking brain damage. Kill yourself.
>>733340049>>733345409This. It was egregious at the time but everything got so much worse it seems like a nonissue in comparison
>>733345841Hmmmn it really isn't a big deal like every single thing here isn't that constant as you make it out and it's literally nano second shit but whatever you're determined in being this way
>>733345604kill yourself
ruto is too good for zoomers
I'm pretty sure you could combine every single "time wasting" moment in a oot playthrough literally all of them Afrom camera moving to show a door or being told how rupees work when you open a chest and it would be still only 1/4th the length of a single half life 2 locked in a room and hear people talk at you part And that shit happens like 6 times It's genuinely a nothing burger
>>733346026Too bad, I can enjoy her anyway.
>>733346079Actually it's probably more like 1/8th
>>733339443Uncs aren't ready for this TRVKE.
>>733345156I think I have less patience to read his wall of text than he has for the animations and mechanics of a 3D Zelda game.
>>733339443>Modern movie games are neither modern, nor are they movies nor are they games>They stick to completely archaic and retro concepts to continue targeting the lowest common denominator and so they can keep streamlining slop production>Their use of streamlined engine slop means that they will generally use control schemes that completely eschew cinematography on the part of the designer. The name movie game in the first place was always a mockery of the fact that the games contained barely any real gameplay and ran like shit, while coping that they were movies, there was never serious acceptance of these games being like movies>They're barely even games in their own right, because they follow the most streamlined production of generic third-person titles with no real coherent use of gameplay to any end other than stalling until you cross a border where you can no longer refund themOoT may have attempted to be cinematic by using the camera efficiently to convey information, but most modern games don't attempt to be anything other than cheap cashgrabs.
>>733342610>AlttP, entering a room takes half a second. OoT takes like 5 secondsALttP, you're waiting for the screen to scroll every time you go off of the side of it and you're comparing that to OoT need like 3 or 4 seconds for a scene transition that isn't even a solely OoT thing. Literally every 3D game used it and continues to do so.>AlttP, opening a chest takes half a second. OoT takes like 5 seconds (same for buying items, OoT has dialogue explaining how to use bombs/arrows/sticks/etc EVERY time)That is a really autistic nitpick. >>AlttP, you get hit by an enemy, you just flinch. OoT you go flying backwards, fall, and get up in like 5 seconds (some weaker hits do make you flinch)You still get knocked back in ALttP, even further than you do in OoT ironically enough.>AlttP, pushing a block takes half a second. OoT can make you push a block across a room for a minute to get somewhereThis one's just a blatant lie. ALttP takes forever to push even small blocks. Not only that but if I'm going to autistically nitpick then ALttP takes longer to lift shit too compared to OoT near instantly lifting most things.>And don't say it's because it's "3D". I'll say whatever the fuck I want kid because I'm the adult so get over it.Arin was wrong because he's just wrong. It had nothing to do with his gameplay.
>>733346026>ruto is too good for zoomers>Doesn't even pair her with her Link but zoomer LinkYeah, I'm sick of zoomer secondaries too you fucking faggot.
I hope he does Mario Sunshine or Mario Galaxy next
>nintodlers literally pissing and shitting their diapies anyone dares to criticize their "masterpiece"Why are you people like this?
Navi is incredibly unintrusive, and people baited themselves into being mad at nothing.Even at the time Metal Gear Solid was way worse for refusing to shut the fuck up and let you play. Even Half Life with the whole mandatory tram sequence.
>>733342610Fast animations aren't good, just because. OOT has more of a sense of weight and drama to it, which is literally good.
>>733339443Made even more ironic by how BotW and TotK, or even EoW, the modern Zelda games. Do not do this.
>>733349168>Retard "criticizes" thing which boils down to "popular thing bad">Can't handle their critiques being blown the fuck outThe irony of this coming from a Fatlusfag is not lost on me.
i have never played any zelda except botw
>>733353424You have never played any zelda
>>733339443I've seen a Dark Souls speedrunner get stuck multiple times on OoT puzzles so....
>>733345841>push a switch>let me show you which door unlocked somewhere else in the dungeon"Wooooooooooow this game is so handholdy and movie like. It sucks!">Push a switch>Door opens Somewhere but the game doesn't show you that fact, you're also too far for sound queues"Wtf, I'm running around wondering where or what I'm supposed to go and do! Why doesn't this game give me this information!?
>>733345920Both games have good atmosphere >>733343937Yeah the owl is annoying as shit
>>733349915>Even Half Life with the whole mandatory tram sequence.The Half Life tram is one of the most baffling complaints I regularly hear about a game. It's just an intro cinematic, there's nothing for it to interrupt, you're getting some short worldbuilding before the game starts, and it's not even that long. It's like shitting yourself over the Star Wars opening crawl.
>>733339925While I don't think Arin's criticisms hold up to scrutiny as he voiced them, I don't think it's a coincidence that BOTW essentially vindicated everything Arin said in terms of vibe. His math might have been wrong, but his answer was correct
>>733341046>BLM>Ukraine flagLike clockwork.
>>733339443I wouldn't call the whole game handholdy but the start of the game is very slow, boring, and easy. But that's true of almost every zelda game.
>>733356821So you admit you are too dumb to remember what doors in these incredibly linear dungeons were previously lockedGood to know your a nigger with animal iq
>>733339925>>733340049and all are optional, you can just not push C up
>>733349981Would you say it's more.. cinematic
>>733351907>Retard "praises" thing which boils down to "popular thing good">Can't handle their praises being blown the fuck outThe irony of this coming from a Zeldafag is not lost on me.
>>733339443>>blissfully unaware that OoT was already the handholdy moviegame of its time derided for constantly stopping the player so various animations can play and so Navi could Hey Listen handhold the playerNavi was optional, zoomer.
>>733351907>>733359936play better games
>>733339572fuck off zoomer retard. you never playes the game>after every item you buy form shop there is unskippable tutorial on how to use the item, even if you had bought the same item 100 times already>owl stops you and proceeds to loredump you with unskippable tutorial thousand times>navi stops you and handholds you around thousand timescountless of other examples why OOT is dogshit moviegame with its unskippable retard tutorials
>>733340049>the absolute audacity of newfags like you to rewrite historyI think it's audacious to allow the minority to write history. I was there at the same time and had a different opinion, I just didn't complain about it online like they did.
>>733360107>>after every item you buy form shop there is unskippable tutorial on how to use the item, even if you had bought the same item 100 times alreadyNever happened.>>owl stops you and proceeds to loredump you with unskippable tutorial thousand timesHe stops you like once or twice when you hit hyrule field.>>navi stops you and handholds you around thousand timesNavi never stops you. The point of the "hey listen!" joke wasn't that it was mandatory but that whenever Navi had something to say she would say "hey listen!" which was a lot but you didn't have to listen.You've clearly never played OoT and are just some butthurt anti-tendie who's mad that the modern games he grew up with are being made fun of.
>>733360250you literally never played the game, zoomie
>>733360160So *now* you have a problem with the minority being allowed to write history, funny
>>733360290Played it on n64, GC and 3ds.Literally everything you said was wrong and don't act like you aren't the youngest here.
>>733360340Are you trying to say that game sales can be rewritten?
>>733360340You said that, not me.
>>733360107And never forget the owl outside of Kokiri forest who repeats himself infinitely. I was only able to get past him with a gameshark.
>>733340014What about Metal Gear Solid?
>>733360423actual well written game
>>733360423NTA, but I played MGS as an adult long after the hype died down. It was a good game but the constant cutscenes and derpy plot got tiring and halfway through I started skipping dialogue and would groan whenever the codec went off.
I think some of you guys are getting Navi mixed up with Fi.
>>733360506>would groanare you 80 years old?
>>733360390I'm saying that OOT is only considered the greatest game of all time because American millennials had a ~15 year lead on internet access and kept circlejerking about it over and over, when the rest of the world didn't care for the game but couldn't affect the "historical consensus" since they didn't have internet access yetThe N64, SM64, and OOT only sold well in America
>>733345156>"I was young and insecure"But he was almost 30 when he made the video?
>>733360559>because American millennials had a ~15 year lead on internet accessThe problem is that's not a sentiment exclusive to America, it exists here in Europe and in Japan as well.The only place it wouldn't exist is probably south America or India where Nintendo consoles in general are hideously expensive.
I played it probably 10 times as a kid and I get no enjoyment out of it anymore. LttP I have also probably beaten 10 times or more and it still appeals. I admit my attention span has declined in the past few years.
>>733340049and people rightfully went back and recognized that it wasn't as bad as some pretended, you need to keep up gramps
>>733360661I beat ALTTP once just to say I had done it, and I don't like that game very much.It's flat, and lacking in personality, and it's kind of annoying as fuck to navigate the world. They throw rocks and shit in your path constantly, so you can't just walk in a straight line to the place you want to go.The combat is mashy and unsatisfying. Link's sword is too short, and you ping around the screen like a pinball, whenever anything hits you.The dark world is an entirely unfun gimmick.
>>733360640Not true actually, Europe does not give a shit about it, Zelda was a literally who franchise for a long time hereI'm guessing Japan probably preferred Dragon Quest at the time
>>733360751I played it first. It’s probably just nostalgia.
>>733360741Actually people went back and played OoT again and realized it wasn't as good as some pretended, you need to end the cope
>>733360559It literally was that good when it came out, and it's still pretty good now.Someone will come in here like "well I was playing Tomb Raider and Diablo, and those were better". Good for you. They were not better.
>>733360506I like the experience of MGS, but as a fan of stealth games, the actual gameplay is not it's strong suit. MGS2, sure.
>>733360839It really wasn't, it's an incredibly stiff and linear game with almost no challenge, the precursor to modern movie games
>>733359879Yes, and that was a good thing.
>>733359589
>>733360887No one at the time was complaining that the game was "stiff and linear". You want stiff. play like any 3D game that came out before OOT. And a bunch that came out after, for that matter. Play Megaman Legends.
>>733349981>weightmore like wait>dramathere's nothing dramatic about opening a door
>>733360772>Europe does not give a shit about itWe definitely do.The only people who believe that we don't are Americans who only look at the sales of a series in this region.
>blissfully unaware that OoT was already the handholdy moviegame of its time derided for constantly stopping the player so various animations can play and so Navi could Hey Listen handhold the player which was a meme meant to bait newfags since you can largely ignore navi after the great deku tree but only retards who watched a youtube video wouldn't know thatand you fell for ityou never played the game
>>733360887I think you're confusing OoT with Vagrant Story.
>>733361006There is quite literally something dramatic about opening a door.In fact, it's very common for games to use the slow opening of a door as a source of drama. Resident Evil and Dark Souls are famous for this.
>>733344767I hate this kind of dialogue slop so much.
>>733339443Dude I was so upset that navi lost to mongolz.They need to hit kovaaks asap
>>733343763>>733339925I will post that retards playthroughhttps://youtu.be/fJg3HP36FrM?si=7PCqoXB9QsJTFmaW
>>733360990No one except people who actually liked games, normalfags fell for moviegames hardGuess who's complaining about moviegames today and who's buying them in droves without a care
>>733339443The Navi and owl handholding you were 2 big complaints, yeah. But most people were young enough to need them and not having to buy a player's guide was probably seen as a good thing by some people too dumb to go to GameFAQs if they gave up.
>>733360990Mega Man Legends lets you shoot and jump freely which makes it feel 1000x more dynamic and flexible than OOT
>>733361212"movie games" is a 2010's era criticism. No one at the time was complaining that games had cutscenes in them. In fact a lot of games were selling on the back of FMVs. People wanted the cutscenes. Nintendo was catching shit specifically for not having these.You're probably like 20. You don't know.
>>733339443>and so Navi could Hey Listen handhold the playerThe Navi button was optional 97% of the time.
>>733361023You're not European Bryson
>>733361272you can do those things awkwardly and stiffly, sure.
I'm playing OoT for the very first time on a CRT monitor. So far what I'm really shocked by is how crazy good the rendering distance is. Seeing Hyrule castle in the distance after leaving the forest area is crazy. Also, the Z-targeting definitely isn't perfect, it wouldn't lock on several times while I was fighting that big eye spider bitch, but overall considering the age of the game it is impressive. The worst thing is the pre-rendered backgrounds, they look a bit too low quality, like Resident Evil definitely did it better. I needed to up the scanlines and smearing to make Link blend in as much as possible and even then he still kinda sticks out. Still, a great experience so far. I can see why N64 gamers revere it, there's nothing like it on the PS1, maybe only Spyro has somewhat comparable render distance.
>>733361272>>733361346You needed to switch controls to make it feel usable.
>>733361319So you admit you aren't then.
>>733361358>how crazy good the rendering distance issome n64 games like conker and OOT/MM have pretty good rendering distance yeah, all the multiplat games with a fuckton of fog make the console look pretty incapable
>>733361346Nope, you can do them freely, unlike OOT where everything is a context button or requires lock on to be done remotely well
>>733361358its not crazy. it barely runs 15 fps
>>733361429That's not how that works anon.
>>733339729>puzzlesgames used to be more meaningful than a series of puzzles. N64 was known as babies first console because the popular games were mostly>traverse>puzzle>traverse>puzzle>boss (3 puzzles but remember you have health)then came the xbox, the rest is history
>>733361413You're describing MML right now not OoT. Free aim in Legends is an absolutely abysmal experience.
>>733361403Which is odd since the N64 does have more power than the PS1. >>733361429It runs at 20 with good frame pacing, I have no issues with how it feels to play.
>>733361639>the N64 does have more power than the PS1In theory I guess. It's kinda like the PS3 where multiplats are ass cause it's a bit of a pain to code for, though the old Rare guys and Kaze are able to do magic with it.
>>733361639>20 fps is acceptable because of muh frame pacing
>>733361693There was a guy literally porting Portal 1 to the N64. Someone shut the project down but that just shows you that the hardware is definitely more advanced which makes sense since it released later. Even a year long gap was significant back then, technology was rapidly advancing.
>>733361358>>733361639Yeah no game on the PS1 has good rendering distance and all-3D environments with far draw distance.. only the N64 can do those right
>>733361618Nope, this 13 year old cope doesn't work here, MML has basic enemy placement which lets you shoot from the hip and actually hit stuff, unlike OOT which makes it almost mandatory to use lock on to hit anythingAnd it lets you jump anywhere instead of making jumping a context action, because it's not a movie game
>>733361779It's a game from 1998. Yes, it's acceptable.
>>733361265And most normalfags playing games today are retarded enough to need all the handholding in moviegames
>>733360107Most of these are skipped by hitting .Navi gives you a few unprompted hints but largely stops interrupting gameplay outside the Deku Tree (the tutorial dungeon).
>>733361843That's nowhere near as far as Hyrule Castle. I'm a PS1fag, I know the system and its library.
A bait thread. Nice.
>>733339925I'm not going to take the opinions of someone who died to Spark Mandrill with Shotgun Ice seriously.
>>733361289Just because the term "moviegame" didn't exist before 2010s doesn't mean moviegames didn't exist before 2010s, is Dragon's Lair not a literal moviegame just because the term wasn't invented yet?When you look at the chart in >>733360340 you'll realize Americans always loved moviegames because they worship Hollywood, so they didn't notice anything wrong with OOT constantly interrupting gameplay for mini cutscenes and other moviegame shit, it took for the rest of the world to get internet access for anyone to actually start complaining about moviegames, but the features that comprise a moviegame existed long before
>>733360581Wish I was almost 30…
>>733339443I used to think OoT was the Citizen Kane of games, something that just sits at #1 on every best games list because something has to. The thing with Citizen Kane is that it's so old now, more people haven't seen it than have, but we all collectively still pretend it's the best. I wonder if OoT will end up the same way, especially in the Internet age. A bunch of gen alpha kids that never played it saying "yup, they don't make games like this anymore."
>>733360581Typical lolcow shit, DSP also says he was still "growing up" when he was saying nigger and making fun of slavery and the holocaust, despite the fact that he was in his mid-30s.
>>733361919Nah, other games from 1998 ran in 30, just because you're biased doesn't mean it's acceptable
>>733362298I'll never stop saying nigger and making fun of slavery either
>>733362390If you don't understand why that statement is retarded you're beyond help. Don't reply to me again.
>>733362517Sorry you got blown the fuck out
>>733339443>zoomers are retarded nigger brained cattleWOOOOOOW
>>733361894>MML has basic enemy placement which lets you shoot from the hip and actually hit stuff,You are aware that it's because the shots home in, right? Without that homing free aim would be outright impossible rather than the annoyance it is. They even had to increase the homing in the n64 version. I take it you played on an emulator with the better controls mod.OoT doesn't have any of that you can do everything manually and it'll still work.
>>733361358>>733361403>>733362000Spyro's draw distance is so much more impressive it's not even funny, it can even afford to have shit in its vistas instead of having a flat and empty Hyrule field to be able to actually render anything, and it runs in 30FPS
>>733362741Good for you.
>>733360839Lol why are you even arguing about something you don't know anything aboutOot is an incredibly fluid game, link pretty much controls perfect with fast movement and z targeting changing your animations in such a way that it feels really natural to have duels
>>733362741I mean, there's like a total of 10 polygons in each one so it's not that impressive.
>>733362824Stopping to use a context button or lock on or talk to NPCs every 2 seconds is anything but fluid anon
>>733362895What? Do you know what stuff even means? >Locking on is stiffIs elden ring a stiff game, what are you retarded?
>>733362846Compared to OoT's singular polygon, it's impressive
>>733362175Um probably, people clearly love giving their opinions on things they never played and humans by nature like fitting in Tons of older games are only talked about via information from osmosis
>>733362923>What? Do you know what stuff even means? Do you?>Is elden ring a stiff game, what are you retarded?Yes you fucking nigger, decades of moviegames have warped your brain
>>733362895Or you could just, not do that.
>>733362994Lol, he's retarded.
>>733362994So what you're saying is that you've only ever played movie games, got mad that people called them movie games and are now throwing temper tantrums about it calling gameplay focused games movie games.
>>733339572Didnt play Majoras Mask with Tatl
>>733360160>i was therenigga your personal life experience isn't worth shit
>>733363017Not in OoT, which forces you to, making it a not very fluid game
>>733363078I don't know what the point of your post was.If you hold that attitude then neither does the other person's, or yours for that matter. Or mine.Fishing for something?
>>733363078Anon Anon Anon Anon. that one guy on 4chan is the only person ever who played ootOne of the most popular video games of all timeOkay
>>733363024>>733363072Stop being mad you only play moviegames and think stiff rigid ass games are fluid
>>733363152I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about and at this point this just seems like some PS1 kid mad that nobody cares about boring ass spyro
>>733363148>the only person ever who played oot>One of the most popular video games of all timeReading comprehension.
>>733363201You seem mad all your favorite games are stiff moviegames even though on some level you're aware they're badly designed
>>733360751Lttp really isn't that good, and was completely rightfully overshadowed by oot which did the standard Zelda story of defeat ganon 3x better Even compared to just other 2d Zelda it's very meh. Links awakening, oracle games, and even the DS games which this might be a hottake are far more memorable and fun to actually play than lttpIt's probably just nostalgia.
>>733362175Citizen Kane is still a good movie, OOT not so much
>>733363254I'm mocking him Anon, for thinking it's special to say "he was there" like he was in some elite small club for playing such a popular gamenow I'm going to mock you for being retarded Should I add a /s to end of posts?
>>733363105OoT never forces you.I don't see what you're getting out of this, it's not like you're trolling you're just being retarded
>>733363405I think you misunderstood both of those posts lol
>>733362725Why wouldn't they home, you're a robot from the future and it makes the game more enjoyable, they even let you upgrade the homing Are you some kind of "muh realism" retard that thinks arbitrary realistic standards are more important than fluid fun>OoT doesn't have any of that you can do everything manually and it'll still work.Definitely not, it's useless without targeting and context buttons
I like how there's this cabal of people trying to just claim that all Nintendo games were bad like it doesn't make them look better.
>>733363430Anon he's literally fucking just angry thet oot is popular and having a melty Why respond to him on such low tier bait such as "locking on" isn't fluid like what?Links entire animation set and camera changes to make it feel extremely natural and easy to go in and out like it's instant Oot is easily one of the first 3d games that actually plays good in ootGo back to pretending waiting for 3 seconds to open a chest is a big deal, this critique is pants on head retarded
>>733343135>Tatl>TaelOoohh, like tattletale. I get it now.
>>733363430It literally forces you, the game is unbeatable without them
>>733360581Zoomers genuinely believe age of consent should be 25, so it will fly.
>>733363504>Why wouldn't they home, you're a robot from the future and it makes the game more enjoyable, they even let you upgrade the homingAnon, if it requires homing then that means the free aim doesn't work in its own meaning you cadbt play the game without a lock on. It doesn't matter if you're a "futuristic robot" because we aren't talking about it from a narrative standpoint we're talking about it as a game.>it's useless without targeting and context buttonsMeanwhile in reality you can do no lock on runs and be absolutely fine.
>>733345335>He's a grown ass man.Physically, yes. Mentally he's still a retarded teenager.
>>733363702Well he's now almost 40 and he's whining people are making fun of his stupid opinions a decade ago Like nigga where's your kids Go have sex with your wifeThe fuck are you talking about
>>733363594It's true. You can't z-target Ganondorf, which was a very bold move by the developers, since that led to no one ever beating the game since free-aiming at him is impossible.
>>733363660>Anon, if it requires homing then that means the free aim doesn't work in its own meaning you cadbt play the game without a lock on.But it literally works on its own, you don't need to lock on to hit shit because they designed the game well instead of chasing arbitrary realistic standards, do you want me to complain how in OoT the sword sometimes doesn't connect to the enemy model but you still hit because the hitboxes are large? >Meanwhile in reality you can do no lock on runs and be absolutely fine.You can if you skip as much combat as possible, and you still can't jump without context buttons
Gen X>What the fuck is this? I just want to play the game!Millennials>Oh my science, would you shut the heck up? I'm trying to listen to what he has to say. Yipee! Another cutscene!Gen Z>Yo unc, hurry the fuck up with these movies. I just want to play the game!
Counter point megaman is really gay and nobody gives a fuck about him
I don't even slightly care what zoomer rats think about older games. I've already written off the entire generation as worthless retards conditioned to love trash like Roblox and Fortnite.Gen Alpha might be cool though. They are being taught that older games are a viable option because ever new console doesn't have any exclusives and leans on games from almost 10 years ago.
>>733363938Gen z attention span has been fried by only pvp games Not saying 24/7 movies are good but playing fornite for 8 hours straight daily for 5 years will do that
>>733362741It's still not as far away and Spyro doesn't render NPCs from far away either. The horses in OoT in the ranch, you can see them from afar.
>>733339443The people crying about that at the time were a handful of bitter losers, the hate for the shit this meme is mocking is near universal
>>733363913>you don't need to lock on to hit shit because they designed the game wellClearly not if they had to add homing that's the point, it doesn't work.
I'm going to be honest I don't care if I can see slightly further in a different game.Oot is a game that I got invested in, immersed which is infinitely more valuable as an experience than being really bored gliding around in spyro even if I can see 1 extra foot in front of meWhich I did try spyro 2 apparently the best one and bro PS1 niggas I'm sorry you were stuck with that shit.
>>733340168Yeah, it never bothered me. Was it like 3/4 times where she stops you on your tracks to say something? The owl was way more annoying but anything is better than the shitty walking sections we have in moder vidya
>>733364037The skybox in Spyro is 3D and farther away than anything in OOT, it has actual modeled detail in its distant vistas, and runs in 30FPS, that handily beats the empty Hyrule field in OOT that runs in 15FPS and the castle which is only slightly farther away
>>733364021Not to praise Fortnite but that's just how games were back in the day, next to no cutscenes, just straight into the game.Disliking cutscenes doesn't have anything to do with a lack of attention span and everything to do with the fact that you're looking to play an an interactive piece of media.
>>733364245I don't hate fornite, it's only really dispised for being too popular The game itself is 300x more intresting and demands ton of kill than like 99% of shooters ever releasedHell if it came out like 20 years ago I could have seen this board suck.ing it's dick as a classic and kids these days don't know how hard it is too crank 90s or some shit But it definitely melted some brains
>>733340014MGS and FF7*
>>733364124It clearly does work if you can shoot without lock on and still hit things, you're literally complaining about a well designed mechanic Next you're going to complain about SM64 generous hitboxes and forgiving ledge grabs and surface collision that smooth things over
>>733364432>It clearly does work if you can shoot without lock on and still hit thingBecause of the homing yes. Meaning it wouldn't work without some form of lock on. Very simple concept.
>>733363967Link wears a dress and tights and has more r34 of him getting fucked than fucking, clearly Zelda was the more influential homosexual game
>>733364502God he looks so coolJust the right blend of classic fairy tale and badass modern hero
>>733364493Homing is not lock on, you don't need to go through the trouble of pressing another button in order to shoot, it just works, very simple concept
>>733364567>Homing is not lock onAnon, homing literally requires some form of lock on, that's how it works.It's why we have the term soft lock on and hard lock on.
>>733364502>and has more r34 of him getting fucked than fucking, clearly Zelda was the more influential homosexual gameI mean, that applies to megaman as well. Where you can find animations and comics of Link going and fucking every woman in hyrule most megaman ones are of megaman being fucked by protoman, lan, bass you name it.Hell I just went on sad panda and I have yaoi filtered but these two slipped through because they're cuntboy shit.
>>733364060Other way around, Hey Listen was fucking everywhere for years, Focus M was a niche meme that died in a week, you had to be there though
>>733364502This is how guys used to dress back in the day
>>733364605And yet you don't have to press a lock on button in order to successfully hit things in MML, it just works
>>733364846Hence the term "soft lock on"
>>733340185That is basically Bowser's dialogue in the original. The only difference here is that he's talking shit during the fight, instead of before it. Which is arguably a SLIGHT improvement.
>>733364846>>733364887NOBODY CARESOot is fluid masterpiece mml is a gay game for babies
>>733364157Nigga you love moviegames your opinion is irrelevant "muh investment muh immersion" can you even hear yourself
>>733364891A single text box you press a on once is completely different than the character not shutting up the entire fight
>>733364502Before I go I'm going to leave this page from a quickman and metal man doujin I just found.It's not even porn because that's his fucking back, not genetalia, and it's gay as shit.Megaman fans go the extra mile when it comes to homosexuality.
>>733364775>>733364973None of these are about Mega Man and especially not about MML
>>733364959Oot isn't a movie game and I have no idea why you parrot that when all it does is make you sound more retardedMgs1 is the first actual modern movie game before that point and clicks and jrpgs
>>733364913You're tripping dawg you got it the wrong way around
>be eternal PS1/PS2/PS3fag>play some Nintendo games and enjoy them>want to share about it on /v/>just get deranged hatredlol
>>733364887A very fluid and well designed gameplay concept, unlike the combat in OOT
>>733365027It's almost as if I have yaoi filtered so I won't get the actual gay cocks everywhere shit. Yet I can still find this with my filters.Also MML is still megaman, quickman and metal man are still megaman characters
>>733365082You're stupid and your opinion doesn't matter.>Hey guys what if the highest rated most beloved game of all time that people still play and replay constantly and anytime some zoomer plays it and makes it a video they praise endlessly erm was actually bad Is such an old shit post15 years old, get new material
>>733365036OOT literally established all the moviegame conventions, MGS is a literal movie, and JRPGs are just JRPGs, they've always been glorified VNs
>>733364226It runs at a locked 20 and feels better to play than Spyro, which is just a dumb collectathon and nothing else.
>>733365197Sorry dude, Link is a gay icon and you have to scour for some obscure unrelated shit with literal who characters that aren't even from MML in order to find anything near gay Mega Man shit
>>733365247>It runs at a locked 20 and feels better to play than SpyroNo it doesn't >which is just a dumb collectathon and nothing else.Collectathon > moviegame
>>733343937>The one that's never complained about is the fucking owl. Which actually was kind of annoying. I feel like he pops up with the longest sequence of text boxes and its just an owl twitching.just press B and you skip all its dialogues in instant
>>733365219No>>733365272Outside of some weird link x dark link yaoi girls. Link is constantly depicted with a harem.Oot having a mostly female cast for link was on purpose btw
>>733365209>>Hey guys what if the highest rated most beloved game of all time that people still play and replay constantlyActually that's The Last of Us, which I guess is somehow not a moviegame now because people and journos love it and it sold 20M copies?
>>733365318There's far more gameplay in OoT than Spyro lmao
>>733365379Holy cope lmao, Link can't even jump on command
>>733365370Okay final you, can't believe I gave a low tier shit poster this much of my timeYou got me
as someone who has always been a psfag, wow, people really do want to tear down the nintendo classics however they can. It's really weird.
>>733364502>admits he looks at gay porn
>>733365431see >>733360340You're not fooling anyone
>>733365428spyro's gameplay consists of running around gliding and collecting shiny rocks, literal toddler shit. I'd rather go on a real adventure and swing a badass sword than be some faggy little dragon lmao
>>733365446Gay Link porn is so ubiquitous you don't even need to look for it to see it, gay Zelda fans will gleefully shove it everywhere they can
>>733365471>fooling anyoneWhat I wrote is the truth, retard. I'm a hardcore classic playstation guy and also a sega fan. The only nintendo games I've played before are Mario 1, Mario World, F-Zero and Mario 64.
>>733365431It's straight just jealously which I grew up with a n64 to ps2 which I'm sure that was pretty commonLike anytime I hear someone seethe about croc and make endless excuses on why it wasn't discussed is so fucking bizarreThe game sucks ass>It sold as much as banjo Uh yeah because moms bought their kids a kid friendly game and didn't have Mario as an option, I highly doubt even100k kids finished the actual game. It really isn't that complex.The PS1 had resident evil 1 and 3 gran Turismo crash trilogy(which mogs spyro) like it had great games why the fuck are you seething about croc of all things
>>733365357Delusional, gay Zelda porn is literally more popular than straight Zelda porn, only trumped by cuck Zelda porn
>>733365580Work on your bait skills
>>733365479>Spyro's gameplay consists of [gameplay]>I'd rather go on a real adventure and [watch cutscenes and press context buttons]You do you moviegamefag
>>733365628No gay Zelda porn is actually unpopular. I mean gay porn exists in anything yaoi girls are insatiable but it's fairly surprising how little you see of thst but you're right cuck shit sadly has a decent amount.
>>733365592Wasn't the Croc N64 version worse? If you want a cool platforming game that's also a Metroidvania you also had Shadow man on both with the N64 port being far superior due to the PS1 port being unfinished. But yeah Crash mogs Spyro for sure. Spyro is a very relaxing game since it has so little challenge and that has its place but I find myself replaying Crash way more.
>>733365592Funny you bring up "moms buying a kid friendly game and not having other options" since that's where the N64 got 90% of their sales from
>>733365679your brain is so rotten from being on here too long that you literally cannot even comprehend someone being genuine
>>733365905Only really Americans bought the n64 because Americans like name brand and you can't get more name brand than Mario and Zelda on a Nintendo consoleMy mom bought me a n64 just so she could play Mario kart after playing the snes one at her friend's house Thank you mom because I had 3 siblings and 4 person Mario kart is PEAK
>>733365749ah yes, I pressed a context button and beat the boss, so true sis
>>733364775What is going on in the bottom right comic?
What's really sad about the n64 that despite america being the main consumer Nintendo still opted to leave some games Japanese only like animal crossing and custom robo v2 when the library was already tiny
>>733345936>>733345996Are they petulant children that deny reality to continue enjoying their vacuous internet meme? Or hostile historical revisionists that want to pressure people into forgetting one of the single most iconic annoyances in the medium? One thing is for sure: they are retarded.
>>733339443>I am a voice actor let me on the meme bandwagon
>>733366306Memes aren't reality you can just emulate oot Anon, Navi really doesn't interrupt you that much Like how are we going to call Navi annoying when shit like mgs1 codex calls explaining literally every room to you exists lolSomeone already counted the mandatory amount and it's like 10 in the whole game10 short a presses, most of them at the very start of the game to explain 3d to people
>>733362143You think every game that isn't Asteroids is a movie game, your shtick became tired and boring before 2010 ended.
>>733339443Further evidence that gamers are abject retards that dont understand the medium they enjoy. A voice line and set of subtitles that can easily be disabled in the settings is fundamentally less intrusive than a little blue cunt that brings the game to a complete stop and forces you to scroll through text pointing out things you already know.
>>733366475He's just shitppsting. The first movie modern movie game Is mgs1or ff7 both highly sold PS1 gamesWhich even that's fine, I don't knock points. An immersive story is really nice but like pretending oot stops the player more than either of those is lolLmao
>>733344658Okay to be serious I have literally never seen that pepe without the weird artifacting on the right. Does it even exist?
>>733339443You expect them to actually play video games OP?
>>733339443this is a joke from literally 20 years ago
>>733366712Its just the Mario in 2009 realistic render shitpost v3
It's so weird that the video is voiced by the same guy who voiced Harvey Harvington
>>733343646The meme more applies to Fi, who does just pop up to tell you something, right after a cutscene just showed you that same thing, just to make sure you got it.
>>733366760Wait what was v2?
>>733345156Ok so, I watched the clip... And... He's right?So, wtf is this wall of text crash out he's responding with? (I ain't reading all that)
>>733366541FF7 is just a JRPG, MGS1 is basically a movie since Kojima is forever salty he couldn't be a Hollywood director, actual moviegames have their roots in OOT
>>733366942Nintendo hire this man over some shitty unreal engine remake
>>733339443Lol that was pretty funny
>>733367032I thought that was v1, so what was /v/ if hire this man was v2?
>>733366485annoying dialogue can actually never be disabled in games.1. there is never an option to turn off cancerous chatter without also disabling all voices including effort sounds and battle lines.2. in modern games even if there's an option to turn of voices the game will still put you into forced walking mode and make you listen to some cunt NPC talk bullshit at you while you walk at a snails pace.
>>733367021No
>>733367076*so what was v1
>>733339443Tendies are a special breed and will ignore the fact that OoT was the first big game to treat the player like a retard with the companion helper and with automated hold forward platforming. The only difference is OoT didn't have voice acting.
>>733367076V1 is this ancient shitpost V2 is NINTENDO HIRE THIS MAN RIGHT NOW over some shitty realistic unreal slopV3 is voice over making fun of modern games
>>733339443>blissfully unaware
>>733367125Yep
>>733342896The funny thing is she actually does it more in the remake.I think the more important difference is Navi has a sharp "hey! listen!" shout while Tatl and most future assistants simply use calming chimes instead of a voice.
>>733367196Huh, i've seen the picture before but I don't think I ever saw the text to go with it that marked it as being so ancient, I just assumed it was from hire this man when I first started seeing it
>>733367279I think oot explaining how to use arrows rupees and bombs work every time you pick some up from a store or chest is more annoying than Navi
>>733366997He's giving in to peer pressure, the main thing big brands use to control their image
>>733366997I thought he was right too until you play oot again and it's like "oh it really isn't a big issue like at all" I still think enemies like wolfos just being wait for them to expose their hit boxes is probably the most fair argument in the whole video but waiting .3 seconds to read a single sentence of dialog that's fun and pressing a is genuinely the most What?I mean you also read stuff in a lttp lol
>>733367498>>I thought he was right too until you play oot again and it's like "oh it really isn't a big issue like at all"That's just you being biased, if any other game had it you'd be foaming at the mouth
>>733367529No? Tons of games have dialogue and door animations? Lttp also takes a second to load the next room and play the door opening and closing animation.What are we talking about here, why is oot being treated so unfairly for having the gall to have a single sentence dialog box like what the fuck lol
>>733367582>Mgs has 10 mins of cutscenes and codex calls explaining every single aspect of the game a trillion timesNot a move game>A character says 10 words you can press a to end in .2 secondsMovie gameJust say you hate it because it's popular and it doesn't go deeper than that.
>>733367582Tons of games people that praise OOT complain about being moviegames >Lttp also takes a second to load the next room and play the door opening and closing animation.And it doesn't waste your time nearly as much as OOT >What are we talking about here, why is oot being treated so unfairly for having the gall to have a single sentence dialog box like what the fuck lolOther way around, why is OOT being excluded from the "moviegame that stops gameplay to explain shit to the player over and over" conversation
>>733367719It really doesn't waste your time but whatever Anon It will continue to be the highest rated most classic video game of all time and you will still be a retard
>>733367709No one denies MGS is a moviegame, tons of people deny OOT is a moviegame, stop with the fake persecution complex
Does anyone have that one clip of wind waker where you enter a room with numbered markings on the wall an the camera zooms in on each in order, and then the next room over has un numbered switches in the same configuration as the numbers on the wall in the previous room that you're supposed to hit in that order, but just in case you forgot the cemera does the same zoom in on the switches in the order you're supposed to hit them.
>>733339443Zoomers don't give a shit about the N64 and only engage on those posts for social validation.They are all playing remastered or remake versions of popular PS1 and PS2 games.
>>733367754Because it's not but you're determined in being stupid so idk what's left to discuss
>>733367747>>It really doesn't waste your time but whatever Anon It does though>It will continue to be the highest rated most classic video game of all time and you will still be a retardI don't really care about acclaim in an industry that worships TLOU to be honest
>>733367719>why is OOT being excluded from the "moviegame that stops gameplay to explain shit to the player over and over" conversationBecause I played it when I was 8 and my parents were fighting in the next room over.
>>733367806Nope retard
>>733367795You're doing it right now
>>733367847Yep retard
Don't forget that every crystal you got in lttp came with a lore dump.Let's just accept that all lore and storytelling in an anathema to gaming and video games should return to the realm of pure gameplay.
>Nintendo "we want to make moviegames and Ocarina of Time is just that">Nintendo fans "nuh uh! Ocarina of Time is not a moviegame!"
>>733368032>We made Zelda more immersive >Erm this is just like the last of usBro I can't believe you spent the time finding This document and painting it thinking you had a point Just play the fuckkng game theirs a PC port you can get up and running in 3 mins
>>733368107>Nintendo "movie movie movie movie movie we made OOT to be just like a movie">you "this is nothing like a movie! you think you had a point heh"
>>733339443Focus, OP
>>733368032OoT isn't a shitty modern game that treats the player like an idiot and is filled with banal hold forward fake puzzles. It doesn't matter that Nintendo said they were trying to do just that. If you disagree you're a zoomer, but also it's okay that they did stuff like this because in late 1998 no one who played video games was familiar with 3D spaces so this is good kino puzzle design.
Get new materialTrying to take oot down a peg is old
>>733339443absolute tendie deathhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC656o7_zVkthey arent known for taste and self awareness
>>733368401You ever seen a zoomer play oot? They get stuck fairly often at its puzzles stillHell when I replayed it I completely forgot how to make the twisty hallway change in the forest temple and got stuck for 10 mins
>>733361358>I needed to up the scanlinesWhat the fuck does this even mean
>>733345156Man, I just wanted more Awesome videos…
>>733340245You don't necessarily have to stop to read. I've been playing ac6 with nip voices and even while dodging lasers and missiles I can still read all the yapping.
>>733368816I can read on the fly just fine, I'm talking about games that literally stop you to show you a text box or prompt or whatever and don't allow you to continue playing until you click away, even worse when there's tons of them in succession or they have text that slowly appears and you can't click away/next until the lines finish appearing
No PS1 NPC model looks as good as Zelda or Link or any other NPC in OoT.
>>733343937>mash through text>"oh, you want me to repeat that?"Devious.
>>733369037I really like the way n64 does smoothing , it looks so much better than PS1 pixel hell. No idea why Indies always go for that look over n64 style
>>733369037They look like smeared shit.
>>733344910Stop with this pendulum swinging, tribalistic bullshit. ALttP and OoT are both great.
>>733369225No I always thought lttp was mediocre even as a kid playing it on my gba
>>733369102PS1 warpy pixels are simply more distinctive and also create a more dream or nightmare-like vibe. I love both styles personally. Really, these days it's mostly lazy indie devs doing it anyway.>>733369142They look really good. I've played all the best looking PS1 games and none come close the NPCs in OoT.
>>733362143>it took for the rest of the world to get internet access for anyone to actually start complaining about moviegamesThat's simply because browns are incapable of appreciating art. They run mostly on instinctive autopilot, so weaving a convoluted narrative between gameplay will always go underappreciated. It's like showing an amazingly crafted cake to a monkey - it's delicious, beautiful, and ultimately going to just be seen as "food" and destroyed.
>>733369037>>733369305Do you have a humiliation fetish?
>>733369037Zelda is cute
>>733369313Calling moviegames art doesn't make them better games
>>733339443>constantly stopping the player so various animations can playThat's to alert the player to something that's changed, which was important given the limited screenspace. Also some serve the function of preventing the player fucking with some terrain change, for instance the water rising, various platforms extending or retracting etc.
>>733369373is supposed to look better than this? >>733369398
>>733369450Yes
>>733369450I'm pretty sure the PS1 example is put though an emulatorThat doesn't look like 240i to me
>>733369494So is >>733369398
>>733361056Bro you just unlocked a door you came through. There's nothing suspenseful about that
>>733369489lol what the fuck is up with his arms and chest? they're all messed up>>733369494probably though I honestly don't get people who try to run PS1 games at a higher res, it just makes it look worse.
>>733369225LttP is great. OoT has always sucked.
>>733369591No, it's running through SoH at native res, on N64 mode, on a CRT monitor. The only thing that's applied is a simple scanline filter.
>>733369773So emulated got it
>>733369373is this fist of the north star. I remember there being this big mclarge dude with some blind girl as his slave that was like ex wife of one of the mcs or some bullshit
>>733369662He's running it at a higher res with that one effect to reduce the ps1 warble effect The best looking actual 3d game in motion of that gen was conkers bad fur day.
>>733369854So you're retarded, got it.
>>733369883>warble effect>on a still screenshotHoly retard
>>733369930I mean you clearly are on duck station with that option checked I played the PS1 before I know what it looks like lol
>>733369883Are fighting games cheating? Because Tekken 3 absolutely clears Conker, and so does Bloody Roar 2
>>733339443It's all relative, anon. OoT may have been hand-holdy at the time, but relative to recent games it's much lighter.
>>733369992Holy shit you're stupid
>>733370118I mean they definitely have an advantage of way less stuff in the game world to render so more resources can go to the models but idk dude I'm still really surprised by how impressive conker is on a technical level Rare really mastered the architecture at the endBut sure let's call it a draw
>>733369225> Stop with this pendulum swinging, tribalistic bullshit
>ive lived long enough to see trolls use that shitter arin as a way to discredit ootwhat a time to be alive
>>733370472Genuinely arin is such a gigantic niggerfaggot, fucking cucked ass loser same as idubz
>>733370472>lived long enough or zoomers to pretend Hey Listen wasn't a huge complaint about OOT
>>733370472Not only that, they did so annoyingly enough that Arin himself felt the need to give up the ghost and claim his critiques on OOT were mostly a bit. (Not sure I believe him.)
>>733345565>It’s not “modern games” only in the sense of what sony typically shits out, if nintendo made these games today this is literally what they would doNintendo and Sony have two similar but different problems.Sony wants their games to be cinematic so they fill them with pointless dialogue or else the mature adult gamers might have their immersion broken from that pesky gameplay.Nintendo wants their games to be as accessible as possible so they have to constantly funnel you into a solution either through dialogue or easy modes on top of easy modes or else the braindead kiddies will give up at the first level and go back to their iphones.The Focus M meme is parodying the former with the latter. What if Nintendo aimed at the lowest common denominator of adults rather than the lowest common denominator of kids.
>>733371661It was a huge complaint, don't worry, but it was a huge complaint with only a little bit of actual backing in the game. Complaints of her ruining the whole game by constantly interrupting were hyperboles made for comedy's sake. People who never played the game took these complaints seriously.
>>733370472Arin admitted he was full of shit too
>>733360107ESL larper detected, you didn't even have access to this game in your country back then LMAO
>>733345565The UE5 video got plenty of views before the dialog version came out.
I'm so fucking tired of arguing about video games with retards, fuck this place I'm going to get a job
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