LOL, LMAO, how will 4 shitters recover?
Boomers win once again. Zoomers can't do anything right.
how the fuck did people even fall for d4 after d3
>>733493528They fixed the artstyle, and with proper competition in PoE, I thought they would step up their game.I was wrong.
>>733493528ThisThis is not the same Blizzard anyway, Blizzard North is dead also, so what's the point
>>733492978>Haven't played a SINGLE Blizzard game after The Frozen Throne (the RTS expansion)I FUCKING WON
>>733493607Have you seen PoE2? There is no competition anymore
>>733493528D4 on launch had better gameplay than POE, it just had bad endgameThen Blizzard overcompensated the power scaling so not only does it now play WORSE than Path of Exile, but Path of Exile 2 came out and even at its prime D4 is humiliated by how good POE2's combat is
>>733493948>Then Blizzard overcompensated the power scalingwow just like they did with 3, what a shocker
>>733493528D3 is good, just like D1, 2 and 4.
>>733492978>Diablo 2 gets new character after 25 years>OMG THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE PLAYING IT THAN DIABLO 4Diablo 2 is way better but this a retarded thing to celebrate
>>733493607They said damage numbers would be lower again and gave the impression items would be good again, and not have this retarded system where you just try to find the best version of a unique over and over again. But here we are, doing trillions of damage again with chaos all over the screen.
Fresh ladder reset currently has more players than 2+ month-old season? Shocking development. Thanks anon.
d4 bad
>>733493528D4 started off closer to D2 than D3. Unfortunately after many updates, it became D3 2
>>733492978meanwhile, in a dark and forgotten corner....
>Blizz said if RotW does well, they'd add more new stuff to D2RWell, what classes do you want?
>>733495469Which is funny because D3 still draws something like a million players on regular basis.
>>733492978A game with no macrotransaction skins and other predatory shenanigans, a game which is cheap and unites boomers and zoomers. Looks like the era of 80 bucks games over.
>>733493528The systems were really poorly explained to the consumer before release, but with a whole lot of promises and sweet talking in promo material like "WE HEARD ALL YOUR COMPLAINTS ABOUT 3 AND WE FIXED THEM ALL"Release week was optimistic, but the shallowness of the systems, the constant copypasting of content and the incredibly shallow endgame that was timedgated in a crazily insulting way was enough to drive away everyone over 100iq to D2 or PoE1/2. Shame PoE2 is still a piece of shit. It was next in line to be the genre's messiah, but the tencent purchase of GGG has destroyed any potential they had. They even Introduced a currency market to make it even easier for RMTers to completely lock down the player economy and ruin every single standard league.
>>733493528For some it couldn't BE worse than D3, which was a mistaken opinion since the latter had actually gotten better with the expansion and seasons.
>>733492978I fucking hate it that people calling this an expansion. It's just a new character DLC. No where near LoD, for example.
>>733495863Retards will be retards. Even Blizzard calls it DLC.
>Shitting on D3You guys don't understand just how funny D3 endgame actually is
they should just pull an AOE2DE and start making new acts for D2R
>>733495512>>733495757d3 was on such good track and then the expansion director
>>733495981>both owned by the same parent companyHey, Microsoft, million dollar idea for you: Diablo expansion for AoE2.
>>733492978Combine the numbers and you have that much more blizzdrone faggots.You're ALL fucking losers.
>>733495619Nigger 80$ has never been 80$ and D4 is still making more money than D2Retarded nigger
>>733492978>Huge update for the king of arpgs>can barely beat a bad game at the end of its newest seasonThis is not really the own you niggers make it out to be
>shitzard released a new update to their best game because they were scared of the new competitionFuck shitzardThey killed another diablo-killer...
>>733496926>From the creators of...No thanks.
>>733492978Is this just bullshit going by steam numbers again? Because its been proven time and time again that like 90% of the playerbase for blizzard games is on battlenet or whatever the fuck its called now
>>733496926Is that even out yet? True arpg fans will buy it regardless.
>>733492978This is normal. D4 is merely alright, better than D3, but both get brutally mogged by 2.
>>733496926another game that'll take 5 years to actually be good aieeee
>>733498130All worth the occasional play def not every season
>>733493528Mutts are just mindless consumers, whenever they see slop made by their favourite corporation they buy, it's just that simple.
D4 was unironically good in the beginning. They literally did fix it but the endgame needed work, that was it.They then started listening to ADHD streamers and complainers on forums and decided them trying to be more like D2 was a failure and pivoted to trying to be like D3 and here we are.
>pop into the d2 section of twitch to see the new class>mrllama doing baal runs even after all the terror zones and whatnot grinding baal's minions (not even him) over and over is still the fastest way to level huh. idk how people have been doing baal runs for over 20 years and are still at it, but here we are
>>733502064yeah its still the best cause you can easily get all 8 people in the same room which is a massive exp boost.
Because 2 is an actual diablo game. 4 is a shitty activision live service product trying to pretend that it's diablo when it's just a crappy mmo.
Isn't Diablo 4 nearing the end of its season and Diablo 2's just started?
>>733502064>name drops his favorite internet man to try and drum up ad revenue for himKill yourself.
>>733493528What I want to know is why people fell for diablo 4 after Diablo Immoral.
>>733493528I played D4 beta for one day and knew this shit isn't worth buying.
>2026>Still giving blizzard money
>>733502376makes sense. I'm not too into ARPGs these days but did put a little time into project diablo 2 until I got bored of doing maps. i wonder if the people still playing base d2 would think mapping is too big a departure for the game or not>>733502481i find him very boring actually. i don't play the game anymore but i've been watching zarfen's d2 videos if you want a better name drop
>>733502587>moneyanon I..
>>733502604>i find him very boring actuallyseconding that, guy has a personality of a wet sock still pretty based of him to force blizzard to include his autism qoe in form of a built in grail tracker that 99.9% of diablo players will not give a single fuck about because it effectively serves zero purpose
>>733492978>resurrected
How does Infernal Edition work if you already have a Battle.net account with D2R in it? Can you use your old and existing characters on BNet on Steam?
>>733503851yes, you have to link your bnet account to steam version and you will also be able to access your bnet characters
>>733503851you can, but they need to be converted to the expansion characters to use the new qol and you lose your stash in the progress I think
>>733502064As far as I remember the same old zones like Chaos Sanctuary and Throne of Destruction still have the highest static alvl and are the best experience until a certain level, then Terror Zones (which are your own level +x) become more viable. Terrorized Chaos Sanctuary is still great because of the mob and unique monster density, but Terrorized Throne of Destruction falls off because of the wait for waves. Then at a very high level Terrorized Throne of Destruction becomes good again because of guaranteed instant level 99 uniques after base 96 mobs stop giving as much experience. I THINK? This is also the first season with shards to tide you over between bad scheduled Terror Zones, so I don't know how that changes things.
>>733504163Blizzard should just let BNet users to migrate to Steam if that were the case, fuck paying full price.
can someone help a troonie out? ;-; i wanna play d2r tommorow BC1QM8P5VPE9X0WJL2HJXQ9GS9NK8KL5QR2AQW87ZV
>>733504257pirate it you retarded monkey niggeralso youre a man
>>733504190why do that when steamies are happy to pay full price?
>>733492978>brandcucks fall for microtransaction f2p slopbad>brandcucks falling for a 40 buck remaster that butchers the originalgood>conclusionbrandcucks are retarded without any sense and people cheering this shit on are doubly retarded.
>>733504179Nope. Your personal stash goes with the character. Anything in the shared stash can be transferred by mules.Create mule, load it's inventory from the shared stash, upgrade character to reign of warlock, you can now lut the items back into shared. Takes 2 mins.
>>733504190and lose on people double dipping? no way, the cash must flowI'm more baffled at their decision to make D4 live service in the same way that wow works, ie buying the latest expansion gives you the previous ones and if you own the old one already you get nothing for that matter, not even a discountthe kikery has been cranked to 11, my friends and I got a wow itch and considered playing midnight, but>£45 for the expansion>on top of the £10/month sub>as a cherry on top they started selling premium currency for player housing accessorieswe ended up abandoning the notion
Is this active or total players? If total it should include vanilla D2
/v/ be like>BLIZZARD IS FUCKING DONE THIS BLIZZARD GAME IS GOING BETTER THAN THIS OTHER BLIZZARD GAME /v/ROS WE FUCKING WON
>>733504582schizo
lel
>no actual sourceD2tards living in a mass delusion lmao
>>733500121Yeah I loved 1.0. Then redditors complained that basically it wasnt diablo 3. So they made it diablo 3. And now it’s mediocre. Not terrible but definitely worse than at the start. What I hate is that on top of going the d3 way in endgame powercreep, they also started to slowly amke the game brighter and cartoony. In 1.0 it was truly a beautiful game. Now its not horrible but definitely not as good.
>>733492978Activision doesn't release player numbers so there's no way this is an evidence backed statementAlso, Diablo Immoral probably has more soullessly NPCs playing it than both combined.
>>733504686>they also started to slowly amke the game brighter and cartoonythos right here
>>733504623shouldn't you be screaming about the inclusion of brown people in Diablo or something? kys
>>733504540steam says ~11k concurrent at the moment Vs D4's 7k
>>733504659look up the steam charts yourself you dumb nigger >>733504789
>>733504659>>733504789>>733504823D4tards coping hard lel
>D2 peak: 12,997>D4 peak: 55,561
>>733504257>G3TAF-UCK1N-GJOBF-4GG0THere is a key, bro.
>>733504884Holy sour grapes.
>>733504941D4 on the left.
>>733493528They could fix D3 and D4 by making an offline mod, but apparently they want these games to fail.
>>733492978Is this actually true or is it counting steam numbers?I thought most people played blizzard games on battle net anyways. I do because blizzard locked me in with starcraft 2
>>733505634I would still be sceptical. The steam portion of the player base in either game is only single digit percentages in either case but the D4 playerbase is much stronger on consoles than D2R is
>>733504789>>733504823Brownoids...you know D4 is multiplat and on bnet right?
>>733494647This
>>733495502I want balancing and possibly reworks to old classes
>>733495757d3 was absolutely butchered after the first season thoughthey made such fucking retarded choices with how they shifted all the character power into the legendary powers and set bonuses instead of fixing the skills and runes that sucked ass
Why the fuck is it 40 gigabytes?
>battle net exclusives for most lifecycle>some faggot uses steam numbers
>>733493528the D4 reveal trailer was ridiculously good and felt right at home alongside the legendary D2 cinematics. it wasnt enough to convince me to buy the game but it impressed the hell out of me, so i imagine many normals were sucked in like a singularity
>>733507442ok post the bnet client numbers
>>733502064spergs will keep playing the game the "optimal" way instead of having fundon't let them stop you from having fun>>733500121d4 was alright at launch until you finished the story and it was revealed that the end game was basically copied from d3 and sucked ass
>>733507426new graphics and hi-fi audio compared to the original. the drop in optimization skills in the industry likely correlates perfectly with the drop in white males in the industry
>>733492978this is why they will reveal a new act at blizzcon in september
>>733507656They teased something even bigger at the end of the anniversary stream. I'm going to assume a full-blown expansion for D2.
>>733507415D3 was a fucking mess since the start, I played a demon hunter back then and was basically the only class that could somewhat farm inferno. Getting oneshot the moment I encountered a reflect champion was not fun at all, same goes for hunting down yellow weapons. They fucked over loot with the RMAH
I regularly play both D2 and D3
>>733507827for as much as i only grudgingly played D3, i do have fond memories of completing the DH multishot build and just deleting entire screens in one click
Is the new ladder up already?
>>733507426original game v1.13d isn't even 2 gigs. hehe
>>733495431Maybe in terms of appearance. I tried the beta before it released and it was awful. I much rather play D3 than that game.
>>733507827I remember demon hunter was only viable in inferno because we had a move that gave us temporary invincibility for like 3 seconds? Maybe longer. Cloak or shadow or something. Then blizz nerfed it to like .5 seconds and it completely killed the class DEAD. All the viability was tied to that one move. iirc it was maybe barbs or wiz that could progress past the dreaded act 2 but even they had to engage with the rmah to do it
>>733492978Diablo 2 is still the best arpg ever made.
>>733493528Some people are mindless consumers and when they see /FAVORITE BRAND/ releasing /NEW PRODUCT/ they just consume it. Zero internal monolog.
>>733494647>>733494237Why does Diablo 2 having more players make you mad?
>>733492978>25 years old>still the best
I've never played 2. Is the remake a good way to play it for the first time, or should I just play the OG?
>Nightmare difficulty>Follow all build advice and only put just enough points in str and dex to wear equipment and the rest in vit>75% lighting resistance>Still instakilled by an electric scarab when I turn a blind corner in the electric scarab maze
>>733510248Diablo 2 Ressurected is one of the best remakes i have played.
>>733510302skill issue
>>733492978D4 is receiving an expansion this year yet.Same class and all + actual skill trees, I wouldn't worry about it.D4 survived their abysmal launch somehow even.
>>733493528The same reason people keep falling for new world of warcraft expacs, an unironic cia psyop or some shit there’s a fuck load of literal cia and DOJ working for actiblizz, they had the literal cia director there a couple years ago (when d4 came out funnily enough)
>>733510248the remake is great. some QoL changes (and the new warlock class) aside it is very similar to the original and you can switch between the new and old graphics with a button press. if you make a warlock though you wont be able to switch to the old graphics
>>733492978The only thing worse than games "journalism" are the brainfried millennial lemmings on /v/ who keep spreading their shit all over the board.
>>733492978d4 endgame fucking sucks, because it doesnt exist. One shotting everything in a t4 nightmare dungeon isnt fun.. They should implement a mythic mode for nightmare keys and a corresponding group que, 2-4 players. dark citadel is gay because half of it is separating your group to step on buttons. Legendaries drop too often too
>>733510545this probably sounds dumb,, but wow, diablo-esque, would be kino
>>733510640vice-versa
>>733493607blizzard should honestly be consulting me. I said before d3 came out that the art style was a problem and they need to work harder on atmosphere. People scoffed and said that people who complained about it looking cartoony were idiots who didnt know what they were talking about. then after the backlash you get midwit content creators/game journalists saying, "hey so actually the cartoony complaint was super duper annoying but it touched on a deeper issue regarding atmosphere..." like no shit retards, saying 'its cartoony' is just being concise. what else did i say about D3? that the story delivery was a slog to get through, and why was it a slog? because they interrupted your gameplay every 5 mins for an in game cutscene. That type of story structure has no place in an action game. what did they do? they let you skip the story in d3.... then made the exact same mistakes in D4, there are quests that take like 20 minuutes to complete that have NPCs interrupting your gameplay 15 times. Just the intro to D4 had you waiting on NPCs to finish talking or walk around like 5-6 times before you even did your first dungeon. and there is so much i could talk about how d4 is designed in a lame way, i could go on for hours and make one of those vidya essay youtubes about how their game design isnt good.
>>733493528?They tried to pander diablo 2 fags and retards who wanted "depth" and "reasons to explore maps"Game turned garbage, but baited a lot of zoomers who "loved diablo 2" without even playing it, you can see a lot of them in this thread shitting on diablo 3
>>733511289diablo 3 was a mediocre arpg and a shitty diablo game. if it didnt have the diablo name or blizzard recognition it would have had Van Helsing levels of sales.
D3 is based for Li Ming alone
>>733510545the best endgame for these types of games is targeted farm content with trading. Have some builds be good at farming area A some at B and some at C, then have each area drop unique loot that is needed for crafting in some way. Ubers in D2 is the perfect example, you need 3 keys that drop from 3 different areas, each are has different monster immunties, so even if you have a dual element build 1 area will be so hard you wont bother farming it en mass and will want to trade for the key anyways, and once you open the gate you will find that most builds that are good at farming keys arent that great at actually doing UBERs. so you will have key farmers for usualy 2/3 areas, then you have guys who pay well for the keys and actually do ubers. What this sort of style of endgame ends up supporting is different classes actually feeling different and the usefullness of a class not being centred around its clear speed, so even if you picked the class with the worst clear speed in the game at least you can farm X area better than anyone else, like how barbarians are most efficient for farming trav because they can hork all the council members and no other class can do that.
>>733493528well obviously they didn't
>>733507327I'm doing 6-12k damage with Warlock in act 4 nightmare players 8, literally deleting everything as it appears and I got several more points before I max out everything. I've been gaining xp like crazy kek, just hit lvl 62 and can wear harlequin's crest.
>>733511592>you need 3 keys that drop from 3 different areas, each are has different monster immunties, so even if you have a dual element build 1 area will be so hard you wont bother farming it>laughs in warlock magical damage
>>733510509your chart is agreeing with the statement in op THOUGHEVER
>>733511619Yeah warlock needs some hard nerfs.
>>733504884>player peakSo highguard mogged both then.
>>733511742plz stop using reddit words
>>733511785your chart is agreeing with the statement in op THOUGHEVERBEIT, nigger
>>733511761it's fun tho, he will be great for farming endgame content, we need one char like that
>>733511815seriously, it's a reddit word and signlsl low iq. now you can be a standard issue le ep[ic trolle retard or you can take notice, accept and understand that you were wrong and never use it again.
>>733511908I'm trans btw, if it matters
>>733493528If anyone ever gave a dollar to Blizzard after Warcraft 3 Reforged and was disappointed, they deserve nothing. They are shit eaters.
>>733504582Literally me
>>733511908you actually don't even know where it's from do you? murk loar
>>733512305it's retarded, all I care about
>>733511190>I said before d3 came out that the art style was a problemLiterally fucking everybody was saying this, m8.
>>733507442>intentionally hide statistics about your products>angry that anons use the only number they have access toit's not clever to be deceptive, it's simply retarded
Bought WarlockPlaying OfflineSet Players Difficulty to 8Fuck LadderFuck OnlineGaming time
>>733512810Finally, a good post.
>>733512465the point of the post went over your head. its ok. reading is hard.
>>733507827>D3 was a fucking mess since the startindeed it was but ros and season 1 were kinda alright but with season 2 onwards they went full retard
>>733495512>million playersmillion maus*Blizzard changed how they count players so now the numbers are inflated.
>>733512810Based. What build you playing?
>>733512810>Bought
>>733509769>Then blizz nerfed it to like .5 seconds and it completely killed the class DEADthat's when I quit my character would die to any damage after thatwiz also had a build that allowed them to regen quicker than they could take damage with that one rune that capped damage per hit to 1/4 of their life or something like thatoverall reaper of souls at the start was a good foundation to expand upon but they made the wrong choices how to expand it
>>733513127Easy to buy blizzard stuff when I flipped my gold years ago to tokens then back to balance on blizzard account ;)>>733513101Gonna try APOCALYPSE firstBut after putting a 1 point into goatman see him fucking tank everything without his hp moving I will try Summoner build when I get nightmare skill reset
Is it just me or is D2 Resurrected jankier than the original? Somehow movement and targeting feels jankier to me in it. As if the 3d layer and the underlying D2 logic weren't matching up 100% or something.
>>733512810players 8 is such a dogshit concept. Like 1 build is just so much better than the others that you get to manually tweak the settings so you get more drops than other people. Then you have builds that dont even scale into players 8, like corpse explosion which will always deal damage as if its players 1 despite being based on mob health and mobs having 350% more hp on players 8.
>>733510302impossible if you are not lying and actually had 75% lightning res and points in vit
>>733513294it does feel weird but you get used to it.
>>733511592then you have classes like paladin who can do almost anything and classes like druid who suck no matter what
>>733510302Your defence = 0 when your character is running by the way.
>>733492978Do I buy? I liked 1, but never played 2.
>>733513450I'm trying to do Eldritch Warlock stuff and really struggling to get used to it. It's so jank.
>>733513414Because corpse explosion can fucking clear an entire screen with 2-3 explosions if you know how to play. Do you have any idea how shitty it would be if player skills scaled with player number? That would be retarded. Why scale at all at that point.
>>733511662yeah thats why warlock is so OP, he basically breaks the conept of the game, and now everyone wants to be able to do everything with every class and buff everything. they are modernizing diablo 2. hes kinda like paladin before but hammerdin had the downside of being the most braindead and obnoxious spec in the game to play so only autists and chinese bots played hammerdin for long peroids of time.>>733513483druid is probably the safest chaos farmer, and druid can do ubers with mediocre gear too.
>>733513578It’s worth buying. If you feel strongly about it, just pirate it.
>>733513275I did an Abyss build, just hit Hell. Good shit but waiting til 30 to start using it sucks.
>>733493528I was so addicted to Diablo 2, that D3 was the first ( and only) game I've ever pre-ordered. It was so shit I never cared about Diablo again. I only returned when D2 resurrected launched on the Switch.
>>733513675>Do you have any idea how shitty it would be if player skills scaled with player number? retard.im not saying skills should scale with player #. im saying corpse explosion scales with enemy health, but it doesnt take into account extra health from players 8, functionally killed the usefulness of the skill. So the skill that needs a corpse to set it up is capped at doing around 25% of an enemies health meanwhile javazon can still 1-2 shot enemies with a single ability. you dont see the problem here?
The real issue is that the ARPG genre has never been that deep. It's always been Gauntlet but with a few extra steps and features. Everone needs to stop making ARPGs, specially D2, out to be the most sophisticated game genre in the universe when in reality its shallow as hell and the fun generally comes getting a bunch of enemies thrown at you while you spam Kamehamehas from the OP cookie cutter build you found online, or just grinding it out to the point where your dumb build is powerful enough to get that feeling.
>>733513745I meant like is it worth a buy compared to the original. I'll pirate the original but not the new one so I can try the multiplayer because (who could have seen it coming) no one was playing Diablo 1 multiplayer.
>>733513815No, because you are neglecting curses. It still only takes 2-3 corpses and blows up the entire screen. Corpse explosion is still one of the top builds despite the differences in monster health.
>always show sockets>always show items (if the item display has been changed to toggle)>show colored orbs on your potion belts like project diablo 2my only QoL wishlist
>>733493528made a few hundred dollars off D3 so it's alright in my book
>>733513973idk how d2r changed corpse explosion but it was basically useless in players 8 before and could absolutely not clear the screen in 2 casts.
>>733514012the concept of a loot filter where its not highlighting drops for you seems totally useless to me. i want gems and runes to be a different colour and a little star next to the name of ethereal items.
>>733514123yeah, text, format and color should be editable in-game
>>733493528>how the fuck did people even fall for d4 after d3Diablo 3 is the best selling Diablo game, anon.
They should steal flicker strike next
>>733493528d4 had amazing story, cutscenes and characters. I really enjoyed story mode, but endgame is just shit. Endless corridors with literally 10 different bosses in whole game. Poe 1-2 has shit story mode, shit characters but godlike endgame with unlimited potential. That is why I have 30-40 hours in d4 and 15k hours in poe 1.
>>733514743The story is great until you think about it and realize it's just the voice acting and presentation.
>>733493528Blizzard shit eaters LITERALLY eat shit.Blizzard died when North did. So when Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction released.We see it in OP's image: D2 beats the shit out of Zombie "Blizzard."
>>733513916>the fun generally comes getting a bunch of enemies thrown at you while you spam Kamehamehas from the OP cookie cutter build you found onlinethat's your poe brainrot talking
>>733513415160 vit, 75% resist and i still instadied
>>733514123I thought so too at first but then I got to playing and hid some stuff I don't wanna see and it's kinda nice to just reduce the clutter but still have to look at what drops. I think there's an issue with loot filtering going too far where it tells you what to pick up and the game becomes more brainless.
>>733512810plugy is free my neger
When should I start farming for runes? Should nightmare countess be a good indication to get full budget runewords before I play the rest of the game?Also whats a good way to get slotted gear?
>>733515442the game ends when you kill baal in hell, play something new.
does D2R has ultrawide support?
>>733512810>paid to play offline What the fuck lol
>>733515525Nuh uh
I'm not buying the DLC, how easily pirateable is it? Does Blizzard offer good sales on Steam?
>>733515442I think you shouldn't be farming unless you hit a wall.
>>733515658Torrent was out in like a few days of release. Grab it, that's how I played and it seemed ok.
Is whirlwind the only aoe that barbarians have? I'm currently starting a double throw barbarian and it's a bit weird to play. Maybe it's because you are generally weak in the beginning.
>>733515759Barbarian is weak from start to finish
>>733515442There are several ways to farm runes. Hell Countess can drop up to Vex (and you can complement that farm with her terror keys drops).In addition to runes (as a result of mob density) cows are a good source of white/socketable items as well. There's a bunch more sources like hellforge runs, LK-type superchests, etc.You should focus on getting to end-game zones first.
>>733515759That gay new character made throwing barbarian obsolete, not that it was ever incredible. You will throw 2 projectiles in a stream while the gay warlock throws 5 at similar or better aspd, also his projectiles come back, also he can have a shield while throwing, also he has a boss monster to give him an aura on top of his sand nigger pikeman. Also he can teleport.
>>733515879Developers going out of their way to make the new character be the meta is so obnoxious
>>733515759Barbarian sucks.Why is he at the center of the character selection screen?
>>733516218Noob bait
>>733515879Now that you say, barbarian seems to need an overhaul. Everything is a fucking single target attack, unless you use whirlwind then.
>>733516286Blizzard will never touch Barbarian out of fear of enraging the D2 purists who will screech>NOOOOOO THE BARBARIAN IS SUPPOSED TO SUCK
Which one of you troons posted this review?
>>733516492Me.
>>733516286The warlock is also better at melee because it can wield two handed weapons with a shield like a barb, except he has cleave 360 around him on top of buffing his weapon for more damage and a 75% base chance to make the enemy explode for more aoe damage, which is an individually placed debuff meaning every enemy hit by his 360 cleave will have a (base) 75% chance to explode damaging the rest of the herd in an insane aoe death.Also his shield slot item blocks and gives skill bonuses, also even low investment in the throwing attack (they share another skill that gives synergy to the cleave) makes it insane retard strong, so basically the cleaving warlock can be a throwing warlock if he was so inclined.
>>733516492That's just not funny
>>733515442Depending on your class, the most important things you should normally be focusing on are getting a Spirit weapon and a Spirit Monarch. Those are the absolute bread and butter of Ladder and they’ll hard carry you until you can manage to find something else. That and a mercenary with insight.
>>733516691If you think about it, the warlock is the nu blizz dev's self insert donutsteel. He's stronger than the legacy cast, and can do everything they do but better and more efficient.Basically ray skywalker of diablo except its a fruity pajeet instead of a black dyke.
>>733516492Funniest shit I've ever read
>>733516749I think it’s pretty funny. I rate it damp/soaked
>>733513916This is what ARPGs should've been, beat'em'up games where you fight tons of enemies at once. Also, fuck building and all that numbers nonsense, the equipment should give you access to different playstyles, not increase your raw power.
Does D2 still hold up in 2026?
>>733492978Amateurs
>>733493528as much as /v/ likes to poo poo it, D3 was a huge success.
>>733518742Kike mindset
>>733502553Because Diablo Immortal is a mobile game made by Netease (and Blizzard's incubation team)
never played diablo 2 even when it came out originally i just didnt caretell me why its such a cult title
>>733519019You know how certain games are the gold standard for their genre? For example Doom for FPS or AoE2 for RTS. Diablo 2 is that for ARPGs.
>>733519019what the other anon said, it's the need for speed, the starcraft, the europa universalis, the mortal kombat, etc.
>>733519107>>733519192so you are saying its the riley reid of black gangbangs?
>>733519285I am not sure, I would ever use that analogy, but yes, absolutely. While she's ovulating, eager, paid extra and doing a triple dp.
>>733516871don´t forget he can bypass AR rateing and is basically a magical barbarian with a shield/tome plus an OP minion.no idea why they made a new class but no new act just prolong endgame and inventory plus stash is still abysmall such things that project diablo2 and median xl solved a long time ago.
>>733519350so you are saying if it want a game that fucks 10 black men in front of me letting me lick up the blowbang cum from her sweet lips the diablo 2 is the way to go?on a serious note should i pirate the old version or is the errection edition worthwhile buying? i am asking because modern blizzard is woke trash and i dont want to give them money if they screwed it up or censored like warcraft 3 remake
>>733519819I personally prefer the original, but the remake is surprisingly competent and has some neat qol features and gamepad support. As for woke stuff, they did make the formerly moorish paladin into a full blown welfare recipient from Baltimore.Also, you are not allowed to complain about woke if you are also a degenerate.
>>733520078>Also, you are not allowed to complain about woke if you are also a degenerate.why not? you think i like these faggots? they are cancer on every community with their no fun allowed faggotry i dont wanna give blizzard money if they enable mental illness like with wow by removing gender fuck that shit
>>733520318I mean, you are essentially as liberal as them.You can't partake of jewish media that features black people and think that you are better than them because they watch Netflix instead of Pornhub.
>>733516492ow the redditsm....
>>733510464what if I am hosting a game on old graphics and some warlock joins my world?>>733511662hammerdin also have magic damage tho >>733515879>>733516691what about his ability to pvp against others >>733513538but defence and resistances are 2 different things
>>733520462not really you can be a degenerate and still draw the line. if you dont get this you are on the same coin as them with your black and white viewsjw/woke faggotry has ruined even some of the most degenerate sub communities because even when surrounded by interracial fetishists they find a way to bitch and complain.good example was august ames a total whore who didnt wanna fuck a gay/bi sexual actor due to the increased risk of hiv. the bitch did interracial and lesbian porn but was still branded as homophobic and bullied which led to her suicide.
>>733516370the first 3 years of Diablo 2's existance, Barbar and Amazon were top dogs.
Anyone got that D4 Lilith animation that looks like a Smiling Friends 4th wall break addressing the viewer?
Warlock is covering a lot of archetypes and was probably designed that way to give everyone the desire to try it out, but at the same time it deleted barbarian entirely.
>>733521086Amazon was so fucking OP we'll never get a good bowie again. fml
>>733521289Just allow barb to dual wield all 2h swords, hammers and axes.
>>733520848Morality is black and white because it's determined by God.Woke doesn't admit moral absolutism because to them morality has to be based on a subjective factor such as identity, consent, materialism, etc.You are the same in this regard, and only disagree on what should be these factors.I hope that you can realize this one day and stop gooning. Pornography is a major source of human suffering, it promotes human trafficking, drug abuse, unnatural sex acts and addiction.
I'm an OG and came up on D1, D2 before LoD remains my favorite game of all time. Is the community really there for this warlock shit or is it just botter filled shitshow? Really on the fence about dropping $40 on this
>>733519819>>733521963D2 has the most players according to Blizz. Community is there, after D2R came out it became even more popular. For me pirating is a must under all and any circumstances, no exceptions, it's a principle, jews get nothing from me, ever. If you are ok with giving them money then yes 40 bucks is absolutely justified, D2RT is fucking amazing.
>>733522290D2R Warlock* not D2RT wtf
>>733521940>Pornography is a major source of human suffering, it promotes human trafficking, drug abuse, unnatural sex acts and addiction.kek. so close but still so far
>>7334929784 is the most boring shit I've ever played.
>>7335224734 is still 1000x better than 3
>>733522473>>7335225023 and 4 are both certified dogshit and not even in the same universe as D2R
>>733522554calm down nobody is saying they're better than any D2 iteration anywhere
>>733493528Dishonest trailers that made Inarius look like a gigachad and Lilith a cenobite.
D4 IS WOKE AND BAD
She looks like me...
>>733522827Heil AZ!
>>733514508>billions of jeets eat cow dung>therefore its good!good morning, sanjeet
So am I correct that the 100% deadly strike (double damage) is NOT displayed in the character stats? So my actual damage is 17-28k?
>>733493528Name one good ARPG in recent years
>>733524326The LCS(Lying character screen) does not display many things, deadly strike included.
>>733524501So just to confirm... and speak as you might to a young child or a golden retriever... I am doing 28k damage in fucking nightmare kek?
>>733524326It's a chance to deal double damage, so it won't just double your sheet damage there. You just reached 100% chance to do so, and it's listed in advanced stats.
>>733524590100% chance means it doubles every single time, no without exception, no?
>>733524631dunno how that first no got there
>>733493528I will never forgive them for what they did to Tyrael.
>>733524578You are level 68 with Headstriker, Shako, Vipermagi, I assume Spirit Monarch. 68 is what I would expect from someone in A2-A3 Hell or even finishing Hell if they skipped a lot.
>>733524578It's been ages so I'm not 100% sure but I think deadly strike only works on physical damage, if your LCS includes elemental or poison damage it won't be 28k just whatever doubles the physical damage.
>>733524805I am doing players 8 on nightmare... the experience gained is insane. At one point I was getting a new level every 5-10 mins.
>>733524805>>733524935The gear is from my other characters of course.
>>733524935Sure, cool, it just sounds like you are trying to make some point about obscene damage in Nightmare when you clearly have optimal borrowed gear.
Another win for boomers.
>>733515759whirlwind is not AOE, common noob mistakebarabarians only have warcry
>>733525187Die.Time to die.Die.
>>733504884Gaming is a lot bigger in 2026 then it was in 2000 when Diablo 2 came out.
kinda crazy a midish (87%-88%) 2000s game is still as popular as it is
>>733525879>midish>(87%-88%)
The new class renders the Druid and Necromancer irrelevant, there's no point using these characters unless they get buffed to oblivion.
>>733525990>I hate fun!>I MUST minmax!
>>733492978>diablo 2 gets its first update in 20 years>has a surge in players>LOL LMAO HOW LMAO LMAO HOW WILL LE ZOOMER BOOMER MAGA TRUMPOIDS COPE WITH THIS RIZZLE OF A SKBIDI?
>>733526163This, but unironically.
>>733526163Diablo 2 does have a multiplayer competitive mode with ladder, though. otherwise, I agree, class balance isn't even worth discussing.
>>733525990>not taking advantage off all the free necro/druid gear and torchesshiggity
>>733526520A fully maxed Druid and Necromancer is still dogshit, even their absolute best builds are still inferior to a leveling Warlock going through Nightmare.
>act 3 hell >immune to lightning >immune to lightning >immune to lightning
I hate it when a map does this.
>>733496926>3Dehhhh pass
>>733526619
>>733526619just go right first you dumbass
>>733526580easiest element to break immunity. wand with lower resist might work
desu im just waiting for warlock to drop in d4 so im holding off on arpgs for now
>doing p8, full terror zone clear with boosted magic find trick on sorc>heralds take 5 minutes of constant kiting to kill, they oneshot my merc, rarely show up>realize I could just be playing warlock instead and effortlessly blasting through themI do like the challenge though. Even if sorc itself is still easy mode compared to melee classes, I'd rather not do them on melee until they tone down the passive aura damage.
>>733526580problem?
>>733493528They very obviously didn't play the demo, I refuse to believe anyone who tried it pre-release actually bought D4
>>733526619beautiful
>>733527415
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>>733527091actually lol'd irl, thank you
is there a point to ladder/non-ladder?
>>733527810in LoD days, you played ladder to abuse all the new broken stuff because it was only released on ladder to encourage playing therewith d2r, you can make anything in single player, and I think there's no differences between ladder/non-ladder except maybe mosaic is disabled ON ladder instead?
>>733527810If you're only going to play solo and if you don't have friends or even join a /v/ lobby stick to offline singleplayer.Non-ladder are for comfy normoids with friends who will fire up Diablo 2 once in a blue moon but is absolute hell for solo play because you're permanently stuck at /players 1.Ladder if you want the newest runewords.
>300 posts D2 threadfeels good man
>>733522502that's why devs admitted to jsut porting stuff from d3 because they know the original d4 is NOT fun?
>>733492978how does it play with a controlleri'm not actually gonna i just don't wanna try either, but I remeber D3 on Ps3 actually playing kinda well.
>>733527084bullshitwhile you're blasting shit on sorc, warlock is still trying to find entrance with his jump-teleportas for merc>equip infinity>fortitude>andariels visagehe's not only basically unkillable but also slaps like a hellalso, I'm not using sunders to make someone silly. It really feels that they made a modern character but avoided breakign the meta. Just like smiter could dish out much more damage than sorc but sorc doesn't need 100h of grinding enigma to be effectivebtw pirated, played something, ported some items from offline. Only busted thing is horazon elite warlock set that have onl usefull stats on top of 100% mf and somehwo he drops much more common compared to others
Yeah I'm thinking we're so fucking back.
>>733530301holy based
>>733530107>shop teleport staffwow that was hardmeanwhile warlock does more damage, doesn't get cucked nearly as hard by immunities because he can ez-bake break immunities, and can permastun enemies between his decrepify zone + fire nova staggering everything in a huge radius around him
>30$ for a Druid 2.0>in a game with 0 events in seasonsI will keep playing Eastern Sun
>Walk into Duriel>Get two shotKek I remember how bullshit this game was. It does feel refreshing after how easy D4 was though (didn't once throughout that campaign). Although I know I'll kms once I run into gloams and all the bullshit on hell.
>>733530697Duriel is piss easy if you buy thawing potions and chug a bunch before entering his arena. They give you a ton of cold res and raise your max cold res to 85, they last 30 seconds and can be stacked for longer duration.
>>733530836Yeah, he's free.
>>733530468tested it and it's complete bullshitI straight up baked ubermerc + horazon set into lock, tested the most "op" build warlock has vs decked out sorc and you're behind 7 minutes per hour>teleprot staffI wont count in time spend to farm gold to repair your staff charges or go back when the charges runs out, because that would be overkill.with ladder setup, aka you're farming hell on a fresh lvl 70 sorc that just killed hell ball, again you're way behidn as lock even if certain mobs take less time to killimo less parroting from normalfags and e-celeb faggots, more reading, testing and taking info from people who actually play the gameI've even checked that "op hefasto/lister" build and it's slower than a fucking zealdin or hammer yet you have retards crying how op it is. It's only "op" when you roll conviction on him, but then again, if you're farming terror zones you're already picking those easiest for your build. Not taking baalruns into account
HOL UP, some fag told me you could run cow level finite times now not only once per difficulty? is that true or am I getting trolled softly?
>>733531414you can run it once if you kill the cow king, otherwise as much as you want if you don't, last time I checked unless they changed it
>>733531491this guy told me you can kill the cow king as much as you like in D2R, no restrictions
>>733531414>>733531491the cow level was changed at the d2r start lmao, you can kill cow king and pop portal next game
>>733531414You can run cow infinite times in classic D2, Anon. Just make sure you, or no one else in your lobby, kills the Cow King.
>>733531582ok cool
>>733515725Does the pirate version feature terror zones or is it an on-line feature only?
there's just no way I could ever play vanilla D2 again after playing PD2 and having the separate charm inventory
>>733531668it has them, altho I haven't really played that much to know what they do and cba to search for it online, when it should be explained in game wtf it does
>>733531338if you're giving the sorc access to infinity then it's equally fair to give the warlock an enigma, both are about the same cost and enigma is far more valuable to build because its ubiquitously powerful on every class>horazons setnigga just run double spirit, swap to hoto eventually, and if you're lucky get a mangs and slot a fire jewel into it. then put shako on your head and any +2 skill ammy, you don't need a meme set when the meta is STILL going to be running the same runewords we've been using for the last 2 decades until you get gg uniques like mangs and maybe the diabolus book>league startdon't spam tp like a retard if you can't afford it, gold has been piss easy to accumulate ever since d2r's autogold pickup though so you really shouldn't have any problems>>733531414ever since d2r, you can enter cow level as much as you wantalso you can re-enter nihlathak's temple thru harrogath to farm pindleskin endlessly, even if you kill nihlathak
>>733531668offline do have terror rotaspirated too
>>733531770kek, I didn't know about /players 8 until several years and characters later.
>>733527916It was funny seeing all the crybabies shit themselves over Mosaic Assassin no longer possible to build. Yeah, insane synergies with broken runeword on release that allowed them to deal insane amounts of damage and basically no downtime was okay, while the other melee classes keep eating shit.
isnt d3 and d4 garbage though? Havent played either, but I heard they are p2w or something else wrong with them. or they just aren't good.
>>733531771>you're giving the sorc access to infinity then it's equally fair to give the warlock an enigma, both are about the same cost and enigmthat would be 2x high rw vs 1 rw. We're talking merc only, that's why I didn't bring enigma up. I tested some builds that cannot have enslave demon so no free conv aura so it was only fair to have equal merc>horazonsI used it, because frm my exp it drops much more common compared to tal'rasha or tranq. I had a gloves drop on nm a4 already. But that can be also jsut rng so I assumed you would be able to complete the set before you get enough high runes for our usual stuff. Also used this, because the intermediate set for sorc uses tal'rasha pieces so it was only fair to do the same for warlock. With oak, shako etc and all our endgame stuff it's just op no matter which class. Still meta is having your sorc farm stuff, even enigma, for a warlock. Because every other class is plagued with "i've no tp and I must scream">don't spam tp like a retard if you can't afford it, gold has beand there's a thing, sorc just equip 2-3 pieces with +cast rate and just spams tp to find stuff while chugging manapots. Also farmign lock can run into low cast rate problem where he teleports into group of monsters and cannot tp away due to stunlockso far only thing warlock has against everyone and sorc, is kind of modern style of designign skils and items. His dedicated unqiue/sets doesn't have useless stats. His every skill can be used effectively and each tree have more than 1 option for aoe that isn't dogshit or clunky. You can jsut shoot away as fire lock while newbie can pull hsi hair out trying to hit with blizzard. SO imo average players will find it easier/stronger than sorc
>>733514743>Poe 1-2 has shit story mode1, sure.2's story mod is actually very good.
>>733511190I don’t think consulting would help considering that they probably have internal groups who have the last word. As much as I think you’re right I don’t think your opinions are that unique. I would argue blizzard already hired consultants who told them that exact same thing and they didn’t listen Blizzard doesnt need consulting it needs a purge
>>733532370>I tested some builds that cannot have enslave demon so no free conv aura so it was only fair to have equal mercare you fucking retarded? it's a one point wonder that gets boosted by your free +skills gear, fire warlock has one of the easiest skill trees and past level 75 all your skill points just get dumped into maxing out consume, getting up to soft level 20 in demon mastery, and then put more points into blood oath so you can be tankier than a barbarianabyss warlock has a few more synergy points but follows the same style, even echoing strike warlock does it because it's so powerfulseriously it's like you're complaining about necro being vulnerable then when someone calls you out on it you say "oh no I couldn't put the points into clay golem and decrepify".
Its just a better game... Nobody argues otherwise.
if you actually enjoy diablo 4 you have my sympathy...it's so fucking bad.id argue its almost on the same level as torchlight infinite.
>>733492978>classic beloved game that got a content update has a surge in players compared to game that is waiting for a new expansion to drop in AprilRetard
Lister the Tormentor more like Lister the Bitch
>>733530562wow there are people that still like seasonal events? you're a relic grandpa
>>733533060If I'm going to mindless grind again everything, I like to grind with some extra flavor.
>>733532681yes, the entire point is sitting within the scope - if we build stuff for merc, it's for merc, not for you. Because we can easily fix merc issue with ahem, sunder charms>it's a one point wonder that gets boosted by your free +skills gearand both lock, sorc and mentioned necro can opt in for more utility, sacrificng damage. With lock using minion, not counting in time spend rolling games to get hefasto with conv + curse since you need to do this once, your dps output drops again and guess what, sorc is still faster overall, while you traded speed for ease of playing where you can kill more stuff before reset. Just like necro, who can boost his damage while becomign glass cannonand the tl:dr version is, sorc is still faster and better for farming. Still easier to build. Opinion shared by players both more experienced and straight up better than me at both playing and theorycrafting>inb4 ladder race to get your nickname grafted in sgitzard hqdone in full parties anyway and optimized to hell
literally oldblizzard vs nublizzard
>>733533558kek, zoomers lost
>>733533326>and both lock, sorc and mentioned necro can opt in for more utility, sacrificng damage.spending five points on utility skills is so minor that nobody has ever seriously used the argument "bro your 0.2% dps loss when you get decrepify (which just increases damage anyways due to enemies being frozen and your merc hitting for more)>not counting in time spend rolling games to get hefasto with conv + curseyou don't need to get curse on heph because that interferes with lower resist, lmao you really have no fucking clue what you're on about, and it also doesn't fucking matter because you kill things instantly>time wastedit takes 30 seconds to go into river of flame and scout him and i have never once had my hell heph die, sure my NM heph that i carried into hell died a few times but hell heph is literally invincible unless you're doing ubers or forget you can consume a corpse to full heal him and give him a minute of 30% life leech>Just like necro, who can boost his damage while becomign glass cannonwhen you get your demons you are boosting your damage by 3x to 5x or even more, WHILE getting up to 2-2.3k life and permanent 30-40% damage redirection to your demonevery single thing you say is wrong and you say retarded shit like>You can jsut shoot away as fire lock while newbie can pull hsi hair out trying to hit with blizzard. SO imo average players will find it easier/stronger than sorcwhen you have EXPLICITLY stated you refuse to even get demons because it's "too much work". you are contradicting yourself and grasping at straws trying to stay in this argument.
>>733492978I liked D4 just fine but I'm one of those weirdos who plays a game until you beat it then plays something else instead of demanding a game have unlimited content forever.
>>733533932>Play racing game>Finish race (dont care what place)>Lol finished the game, it was fine guys
>>733499551>talking about vidya>random American bashingShalom friend.
>>733534551Welcome to Forza Horizon.
>>733533841>spending five points on utility skills is so minor that nobody has ever seriously used the argument "that's NOT the pointthe point is trading utility/ease of play for output, where I said sorc doesn't trade anything at all because be it xp/hr or grind, she does stuff faster. Meanwhile you lose more on lock for the not even similar utility. Be it even 0.001$ less, it's still LOWER>you don't need to get curse on heph because that interferes with lower resist, lmao you really have no fucking clue what you're on about, and it also doesn't fucking matter because you kill things instantlyyou're not killing stuff in terror zones instantlyif you don't have res break, then your merc needs infinity or you need sunder charm. So you're not slower but also more limited then>it takes 30 seconds to go into river of flame and scout him a>say rolling heph doesn't count since you do it once so it's not included in time ratios>reply to it if I'm counting time spend doing thatretard>when you get your demons you are boosting your damage by 3x tothat's again, not the point. At THIS point you're answering arguments you're willing to reply, so you can imo talk with yourself>every single thing you say is wrong and you say retso not only Im wrong, but all those top players with confirmed streak of how good they are withotu being a retraded e-celeb are wrong, because literal anonymous who says so>when you have EAgain, I didn't say thatSo I'll put it into perspective your mongoloid brain that cannot process simple facts can comprehend. If nearly equally geared lvl 70 sorc and lock do their stuff for 1 hour, it takes 7 minutes longer to get the same results (xp/hr, boss kills etc.) on lock compared to sorcSo after 40 hours, lock lags 4 hours behind. For normalfags is nothing. For people grinding same shit for days, it matters because it gives more chances to get runes/valuable lootyou can ask chatgpt to count what's the kill count and level diffirence
>>733535002>it takes 7 minutes longer to get the same resultsyou bring up this same number and the entire source for it is "dude trust me this is from my empirical evidence and also I asked chatgpt to glaze me on it because surely AI can back me up"coming from the guy who refuses to get bind demon on warlock because its too much effortnah dude you're legit, seriously good job
>>733492978D1 mogs the whole rest of the series. Don't respond to me if you were born after 2000 because I don't respect you.
>>733535182At first I wanted to link you spreadsheet>coming from the guy who refuses to get bind demon on warlock because its too much effortah yes, answering your own made up argument because you cannot point where I said thatand then nah, get fucked plebbitor because your flavour of the month class got insulted so by extension you also feel attackedpick hero editor, build nearly equal sorc and lock and go enjoy, do your tests, I'm not spoonfeeding a manchild tourist
>>733535512>I tested some builds that cannot have enslave demon so no free conv aura so it was only fair to have equal merc
>>733534551That's kinda why I don't get non-multiplayer racing games.
>>733535763That's why I dont like most racing games, don't care if I managed to complete a lap in 1:23:12 instead of 1:23:20. The loot slot machine in ARPGs has a firm grip on my dopamine receptors though
>>733535556yes, some =/= every possibleyes, you can try diffirent builds, trying to find or discover something. You can compare them in various ways like xp/hr etc. or FUN, where dogsit F tier is played because it's fun to playand the comparision was conv aura coming from infinity RW on merc, where demon can fill that role himself if someone decides to use it that specific waynowhere it's said that I don't enslave demons at all YET ALONE say it's too much of a hassleyou're THIS dense, retard
>>733535978sorc is bad because i couldn't slot fire/cold/lightning masteryalso i couldn't get teleport, couldn't find the skill points to spareball's in your court to disprove that argument
>in Act 2 normal>Stealth armor 25% movement speed>found Gorefoot, another 20%>found Bane's Oathmaker, new Warlock set dagger that gives another 20% movement speed
>>733536060I do basic frost sorc with cheap rw because I can farm baroness faster that lock, then get stronger faster because I kill stuff faster so more levels than lock and more skillpoints put into skills. I use that advantage to farm bosses when you're stuck finishing hell. That's why I did lvl 70 as starting point, because if we do whole lvl 1 rota, where map RNG comes into play, lock lags behind even harderbut well, you're already this mentally broken since your misunderstood a literal concept withing single scope
>>733536334its okay maybe next time you'll figure out where the demon tree is on warlockmaybe you can even remember how to get a spirit or a stealth
>>733536392>lie>gets exposed that you both lied and failed to understand a written sentence>go back to your lie as argumentstay bad redditor
>>733536392>exposed lying>also fails at reading comprehensionlmao fragile ego exposed
>>733536504>>733536660bro...?
>>733536317kek. I could never play like that, even the speed boost the barbarian gets from frenzy messes me up.
>>733515759>>733515879>warlock gets a cleave attack at level 6>also gets a better throwing attack>and a better frenzyBarbarian is only useful for shouts and those shouts you can get from a runeword. Actual garbage tier class in D2R. If you want to enjoy it you might wanna consider playing Project Diablo 2.
>>733537463as long as barb has leap and whirlwind, i'm happy
>>733513769is the switch version actually good? playing diablo without a keyboard and mouse sounds weird to me.
>>733538057D3 had it so you just mapped abilities to buttons and threw them like you were playing hotline miami, if they got D2 working the same way I might actually wanna play it with a controller over m+k
>>733537463>If you want to enjoy it you might wanna consider playing Project Diablo 2.PD2 did give a lot of improvements to barb but it still felt like the chance to miss hits was annoying. Barb skill trees seem a lot better in PD2 and cleave was kind of enjoyable but also felt a bit strange. I think melee would just be better if the chance to miss hits was seriously reduced or eliminated. There's just not much you can do about it except try to get your attack rating up, there's no skill involved for that and casters don't have to worry about it at all so the game just has mechanics actively working against melee characters specifically.
>>733493885What's the deal with PoE2 anyway? I remember playing PoE like ten or fifteen years ago and enjoying it.
>>733495619>and other predatory shenanigansNigga they're charing 25 dollarydoos for a fucking new class
>>733495981First they should kill all zoomer retards for asking for enshittifying the classics because they're too retarded to play the originals
>>733538462interesting, i don't have an 'eck and playing d2 portably sounds comfy. i might have to look into it.
>>733538575Missing is rough yeah. I think a lot of old timers treat it as "just get angelics" and might even be opposed to making it less shit. Pretty sure you could remove missing entirely and it wouldn't make melee OP. Melee is that bad in D2.
Wait isn't the new Diablo 4 expansion about Mephisto coming back? Was this a retcon?Also I just noticed for the first time Natalya disappears from Kurast after you kill Mephisto. Where did she go?
>>733538057>>733538462>>733538832That's how D2R works on controller. You have 6 main binds (face buttons, R1, R2), 6 more you hold L2 to use, and then the option to have another whole set of those on your weapon swap if you want a hybrid build. There are also binds for niche stuff like town portal and picking items up straight into your cube. It worked well enough that they later patched it in as quick cast hotkeys for mouse and keyboard and pretty much everyone on PC uses that now.
>>733539272iirc The soulstones and their corruption is why the Prime Evils were able to manifest, but after LoD the Worldstone is destroyed and now there's nothing stopping any parts of hell or heaven from manifesting.The brothers won in the end
>>733539398Ah so the entire journey in Diablo 2 was pointless since Hell won anyways. Grim.
>>733539571Well, of course anon. You can't just have things done right. Diablo must return. And he'll return again in Diablo 5, and 6. And 7. And forever! We'll be slaying Diablo in dark dungeons until we die. Isn't that grand?
I'm sorry but Diablo II is not as good as Diablo IV. It's just not.II has the wildest level of nostalgia I've ever seen for a game.
>>733533558>d2r>oldblizzard
>>733539651You're probably right about that but the Diablo 2 fans will literally never admit it so it doesn't matter. And it's not like Diablo 4 is good anyway.
>>733539398wouldn't destroying the soulstones just allow them to manifest even faster since they are trapped in them anymore? you may have even helped them.
>>733539651>>733539751that's 2/10 ragebait
>>733539840Diablo 2 aged like shit. It's a really important game but that anon is right, the only reason people play it is nostalgia.
>running hell worldstone keep when I get the seed with gloams>turning a corner and getting instantly hit with a condensed beam of death fired by 6 gloams simultaneously because they have a .05 reaction time before firing
>>733539956Gloams are the reason why thundergods belt is so goodSlap that shit on and laugh as those bolts tickle you
Can you even play mosaic with a controller? there's too many keybinds
>>733539902and now that's a cope
>>733539634I mean I like the way 1 handled it since no one knew what the fuck was going on and the warrior jamming the soulstone in his head was very ominous. But in D2 and the later games your character becomes some type of super hero able to singlehandedly kill the prime evils over and over, but they also just keep coming back in increasingly convoluted ways.
>there are actually people caring about any Diablo's "story"lmao, rofl even
Me over here getting two cakes cause I love both games
>>733540632why? the lore is very deep, beats a lot of other fantasy universes.
>>733539634>And he'll return again in Diablo 5,she, please don't misgender Diablo
I fucking love the Warlock shield. Now that's a proper shield not a fucking ball over your head or a couple lights circling you.
>>733541247So? Mortal Kombat also has deep lore, you're still a fucking retard
>>733541341then what's the point of your fucking post you retard? there's a deep story, so people care. fuck off
>>733541401>there's a deep story, so people carePeople are saying the same about TLoU, what is YOUR point? You wouldn't even recognize a deep story (story =/= lore btw) if it bit you in the dick
>>733540632Story is good up til 3 made everything retarded and 4's minions of hell literally having shitass melodrama. Things were better when it was a simple story about kicking a red dude's butt and then some schizo being tormented.
>Warlock's cleaveHoly shit it's a bait skill. If you want to suffer from start to finish, pick this one. The damage is nonexistent. I hope echoing strike doesn't suck ass.
>>733540632Diablo 1/2 were only memorable because of its lore and aesthetics.
>all these paypiggies playing warlockyikes...
>>733542342>pay
>>733493528I didn't. I would rather replay D3 season for the 30th time than play forced public lobbies garbage that is D4. It could be the best diabloid since D2 and I still wouldn't play it because it's a cosmetics shop in disguise, not a proper bideo game.
>>733506094And so does D2R.
What was this guy's problem? Seriously what was his actual motivation for the betrayal? Did they have high taxes in heaven? Did a mortal man cuck him so he wanted to destroy Sanctuary? Did hell promise him 40 virgins so he switched teams? We will never know I guess. Act 4 is unfinished forever.
>>733543131KWABGive me my 2 skill points and fuck off you formerly angelic bitch
>>733542140>echoing strikebrother you're in for a ride, shit's busted
>>733543131>dude corruption lmaoprobably
>>733543131He's not even sorry or regretful. You rip this bitches soul out and he uses it as an opportunity to laugh at you. What a chad
>>733542342>payingpirates exist day0
what even is the point of d2r warlock?look im barb and sorc in one but better than both also i have this op demon binding and can never die haha!fucking blizzard needs an ukraine war internally
>>733544869>what even is the point of d2r warlock?>>733544869>look im barb and sorc in one but better than both also i have this op demon binding and can never die haha!I hate it when people answer their own questions.
>>733544958kek btfo
>>733507463I was the opposite, the trailer immediately told me it was going to be an absolute shit show and that they learnt nothing.
UPDATE: i'm lvl 43 sorc just killed nm meph, i have spirit sword and rhyme shield, insight merc, even found a tal rasha helm in upper kurast. going good so far
>>733542342>NOOO YOU CAN'T BUY NEW CONTENT FOR A GAME YOU ENJOY
>>733492978Isnt it because they released a new class for the first time in like 25 years? When that same new class isnt available in d4 yet?
>>733549316It's coming to Immortal too but everyone forgot or never gave a shit even though their Warlock is a hot bitch with a tomboy haircut.
>>733549316it's because D2 hasn't been surpassed, everything else has been trash
