I stayed sane for 10 million years and several cycles of fire and dark doing menial labor.
Same bro, same...
women hate how little it takes for men to be happy
>>733500727anvil aint gonna hammer itself
>>733500727The Blacksmiths turn into stone, they don't go hollow
>>733500727Chop wood, carry water. Or swing hammer, same shit.
>>733500727Meanwhile modern man can't even do it for a year without going insane.
The thought that one of the weapons he works on may be used to obtain a lord’s soul needed to relink the fire, that’s all he needs.
>>733500727what having a real job does to a mf
>>733503007>good for staying fit>creative>skilled>serves a real purpose and can save lives in the right handsit's pretty much the perfect job if such a thing exists
>>733503125he also isn't wearing a collared shirt like a common slave
>>733500727That's what happens, if you work with your feet firmly planted on the ground and aren't a rootless vagabond.
>>733500727 Have you ever tried blacksmithing? It is extremely fulfilling. Especially when doing everything by hand. Theres always somewhere to improve, and seeing your finished product is a special kind of satisfying. Even more satisfying when you make a tool for someone and see it withstand being used
>>733503704I think I've literally never used anything he sells over some shit I found rotting next to a corpse in a swamp or jungle for 5000 years
>>733500727Smithing is his passion. It's not a job, it's a career.
>>733504461But did you upgrade those weapons you found?
>>733504461He's the one upgrading it into a +15 weapon, he's doing a lot of work regardless.
>>733500727>What's your secret?>I'm glad you asked Chosen Undead, I do Tai Chi Walking™ everyday
>>733500727Yeah that's how hollowing works. You lose yourself, your memories, your sanity, your very skin, when you become a Hollow. Death accelerates it, but it happens gradually over time too. The only ways to stave it off is to constantly refresh your own humanity through artificial infusions (humanity items, human effigies), or through dogged persistence in pursuing a goal. If you ever find yourself without purpose (like if you achieve your goal) that determination fades away and you'll very quickly lose yourself to hollowing.Blacksmithing is a fantastic trade for an undead. The work is fulfilling but endless, and takes a long time. It's a great way to stay sane, and even the physically hollowed Leningrast kept hold of his mind through it.Patches is another example. He's not a blacksmith, but his sheer hatred for the hypocrisy of clerics keeps him sane, he always looks for ways to make them suffer.
>>733500727The delightful and ever-novel pleasure of a useless occupation.
>PING>PING>PING>PING>PINGGET FORGED GET FORGED GET FORGED GET FORGED
>>733505009>but it happens gradually over time tooThis is a retcon introduced in Dark Souls 2. That's not to say it isn't canon and holds no weight, but in Dark Souls it's made very clear that people go Hollow when they die and cannot retrieve their Humanity and Souls, (Crestfallen after trying to deal with Frampt, Griggs when he pursues Logan and dies in Sen's Fortress) or when they achieve/complete a personal goal and have nothing left to aspire to. (Solaire finding his "sun" in the Sunlight Maggot, Logan learning all of Seath's spells) There is no gradual decline of one's Humanity and faculties, as seen in Crestfallen and Laurentius. The former is content to sit at Firelink, his goal that of survival, and he doesn't go Hollow until he actually gets off his ass and dies. The latter has the eventual goal of locating Quelana, but if you refuse to tell him her location he will continue to stay at Firelink with no indication of going Hollow. Even when NPCs go Hollow (see the Undead merchants) they can cling onto their sanity so long as they have a goal. Them being Hollow doesn't speed up the process of losing their mind, but it puts them at risk for sure. Again, the idea that you WILL go Hollow and lose your mind even if you just sit around is a concept introduced in Dark Souls 2. You can say that information given to us in Dark Souls 2 and 3 can change our perspective on information and events in Dark Souls, but that's a dishonest consumption of the story and themes presented in the first game, because the writers didn't have/hadn't implemented those ideas yet. It'd be like watching Star Wars (1977) and asking why there aren't any Jedi in the ranks of the Rebel Alliance when you have the knowledge of them being alive thanks to The Clone Wars and other external media: the writers had not thought of that yet, nor had they likely even planned for it.
>>733500727unrelated but i got invaded in anor londo on a fresh save, i like that theese games are still populated
>>733506463Dark Souls 3 does not ever imply anything like that. Hollowing only comes with multiple deaths and that's why Andre and Patches are alive, it's also why the pygmy lords and some of the first men and undead (Gael) are alive or their hollowing went on as they died but they were strong and determined that their body become roots entirely by the point they finally turned Hollow. Dark Souls 2 is indeed retarded fanfiction and Dark Souls 3 actoively debunks it. Gael literally fought the Dragons for Gwyn, with Gwyn
>>733507346also cont.Another Dark Slops 2 headcanon that Miyazaki in Dark Souls 3 debunks s the concept that he undead are some immortal entities that never really die. This isn't true. _The undead are called like that because they never die of age (again, Gael, Andre, etc...) and with each death they speed up hollowing but resurrect, yet when they are fully hollow they WILL NOT resurrect again, they will simply die
>>733507346You're right that Dark Souls 3 follows Dark Souls' established rules for Hollowing, mostly if not entirely shirking what Dark Souls 2 introduced. However, the reason I brought up Dark Souls 3 (in reference to information presented in Dark Souls 2 and 3 affecting interpretations of information/events in Dark Souls) is because of stuff like what you mentioned in your post with Gael. Gael, and the Humans living in the Ringed City, were not present in Dark Souls. The war against the dragons was waged by Gwyn, his knights, the Witch of Izalith and her daughters, Nito, and Seath. There was no army of Humans, and the only mention we get of Humans is the Furtive Pygmy. (so easily forgotten) Despite this being fact, people still factor in information from Dark Souls 3 when discussing Dark Souls. Nameless King and Ornstein are a good example of this. In Dark Souls, we fight Ornstein and Smough to reach Gwynevere. We even get Ornstein's Soul if we kill Smough first. But Dark Souls 3 tells us that Ornstein followed the Nameless King to Archdragon Peak, meaning that the Ornstein we fight in Dark Souls was a fake/illusion. (ignore that it drops a soul) Now whenever you discuss Ornstein in Dark Souls, people will say that it's a fake, or that Smough is the canonical kill, when Dark Souls 3 and its events were never a part of the equation when Dark Souls was being made. The same goes for Gwyndolin and Aldrich.>>733507470I agree with this, too. Dark Souls established that Undead can die permanently if they're completely lost and detached from their Humanity and motivations, (Solaire, Siegmeyer) and Dark Souls 3 carries that on. (Horace, Sirris)
>>733503125also you fuck a ton, there's a reason why so many people have smith as a family name
It's fine to be Undead, but keep a level head, eh? Ha ha ha!
You remember the old shield rhyme, Anon?
Dark Souls 3 makes no sense narratively. The minute Andre shows up, that's just From telling you not to care about anything but fanservice.
SPARKS
>>733500727amazing how just a simple purpose in life can keep you sane.
>>733500727blacksmithing is skilled labor, not menial
>>733500727blacksmith chad I kneel
>>733503125Working with a forge is bad for your health in long-term.
>>733500727You have to imagine Sisyphus happy.
>>733510919When you are undead, it's kinda whatever.
>>733509774sparkmaxxing hollowminning
>>733510919>Spine gives out>Kill yourself>Respawn with full HP>Finish the workpiece>Charge the guy a humanity >Reverse hollowing>Continue like nothing happenedWhere's the problem?
>>733508704>Dark Souls established that Undead can die permanently if they're completely lost and detached from their Humanity and motivations, (Solaire, Siegmeyer)No? When you find Siegmeyer and Sieglinde in Ash Lake, she calls him a hollow. She only refers to him as "subdued." He isn't dead. He's just been reduced to the state of those non-aggro hollows in New Londo and the Undead Asylum. There's never a point in the game where it says undead die for real. That contradicts the central premise of being undead.
>>733507346>Dark Souls 3 does not ever imply anything like that. Hollowing only comes with multiple deathsWhy do Big Hat Logan and Anri go hollow then?
>>733506463DS3 with Lapp -> Patches shows that Hollowing can occur over time.
>>733512618>>733507346Meant to reply to both. But Lapp is Patches in the early stages of Hollowing until we help him purge that from himself and return his sense of identity. DS3 follows along well that just living for too long can wreck one's sense of identity and make them hollow. Gael has a very strong purpose which let him last an extremely long time, as he was driven beyond all else.
>>733512618Gael killed all the clerics so he had nobody to push off cliffs anymore...
>>733512739If you find the purging monument and don't tell Lapp he will go hollow for good after a while.
>>733503125Blacksmithing is terrible for your body. Inhaling soot from pig iron rapes your lungs and the constant TINGING from the hammer gives many of them tinnitus.
>>733506463wut crestfallen fought frampt?
>>733513941Just chug an estus desu
>>733504665>>733504684>upgradingyou didn't beat the game
>>733506247Heh
>>733500727I always thought the various versions of him were just like his descendants or something
>>733511553Holy shit you're retarded.
>>733512313Logan got hit with mandatory death in Seaths trap room and got summoned by scrubs too many times
>>733514668Logan is in human form when you find him naked in Seath's boss room. He went hollow from pondering his crystal orb a little too hard and losing himself in the process. >Crystal spheres devour the will of the user, and this staff increases the potency of sorceries at the cost of increased FP consumption by Skills. - Sage's Crystal Staff, DS3
>>733514569TROLLED HARD NIGGER
>>733506247https://youtu.be/Yb4ZOBAs280?si=RXBUaA-LRbUWSPlrhttps://youtu.be/Ua0zMsDiAyg?si=s96lWQKKrZwdNMsM
>>733517659>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKJUXKGx0K4>moving so fast that he looks like he's moving at normal speed again
>>733514958Wasn't it said in an interview that the reason he went mad was that he was trying to do a apotheosis to become like Seath and that's why he also went nude?
>>733518634Never heard of that interview desu. But even if it's true, his insane-mode dialogue after you buy all his stuff features him forgetting who you are, and that dementia is consistent with hollowing. Who knows what insane delusions of grandeur (like apotheosis) are cooked up in a half-demented old hollow's mind as it slowly falls apart.
>>733519047Its from the Design Works Interview turns out Logan never went hollow, he is closer to Hawkwood in DS3.Waragai: Personally, I really like Big Hat LoganMiyazaki: That was one of (Mai) Hatsuyama's designs, wasn't it?Hatsuyama: Yes, it was… but I have to ask, why did you make him naked?Miyazaki: Huh? I made him naked?Waragai: Haha, I'm sure it was your idea, MiyazakiMiyazaki: I suppose it was… As to why I made him naked, I wanted to show that the character had found enlightenment but unfortunately the models in Dark Souls weren't built with a wide range of emotional expressions, so as I was thinking about how to overcome this problem, for some reason, I came up with the idea of making him naked…It's Logan's goal to gain the power of the ancient dragons, so in order to do this, I had an image of him casting off his human clothes. It's similar to using the Dragon Head or Torso Stone, you have to remove your equipment. Of course there are gameplay reasons for this too, but there was also this image of the player leaving something of their humanity behind. Similarly, Logan removing his clothes is his attempt to bring himself closer to Seath in some way. Although I couldn't take his hat off because no one would recognise him, but personally I like to think that unlike the followers of the path of the Dragon, Logan sought to gain the dragons power while retaining his pride as a human.Hatsuyama: I drew a lot of designs for underwear so I'm a little disappointed he didn't emerge wearing one of those instead.Miyazaki: In his underwear… If we had done that I'm not sure it would have been taken in the way I wanted. But I also really like Logan as a character, I spent a good amount of time on the design. He's a wise man or a sage but I really wanted to make him unique so I had quite a few designs made. Once we arrived on the idea of his big hat, the design came together, but that wasn't there from the start and only emerged through continual revisions.
>>733519817I mean, that doesn't contradict what I said. Hawkwood doesn't go insane and start muttering gibberish in his quest to be an ancient dragon. He's quite polite and lucid even as he challenges you to a 1v1. Logan went berserk, his crystal magic made him lose his mind. There is a running theme, even in DS1, that undead culture treats "being a hollow" as a mental state, not just lacking humanity. All of the NPCs in DS1 will say "wtf, you've gone hollow" if you attack them and it doesn't matter if you're in human or in hollow form. You could write that off as them just not recording another line of dialogue, but that is something they could have done if they wanted to but didn't. Losing your marbles by any means, whether it's losing your humanity, or having your soul succed by a crystal, or burning in the first flame, or just living too long, drives you a hollow even if you don't look like beef jerky. All DS2 and DS3 did was make this a bit more up front. Even before Lapp in DS3, you still had the Londor lore of undead rings and purging stones, where hollows temporarily regain human form but then are still crazy on the inside and thus still count as hollow.So while Not Having Humanity is what physically defines you as a hollow body, "being hollow," also refers to contracting super-alzheimer's which can happen by a variety of means.
Did Miyazaki copy Andre from the blacksmith in Metro 2033? It came out in 2010, while Dark Souls released in late 2011.
>>733501379Modern man was meant to do so much more. We’ve evolved to handle so much more, complex problems, yet slaves for menial tasks are still required.
>>733520401He's most likely a Berserk reference >>733511263
you can tell he's good because he still has his beard
>>733520401...is there any similarity here other than the name? andreas/andre/andrew isn't exactly rare
>>733500727he looks like a nortubel character
>>733512313>Big Hat LoganBig Hat Logan goes hollow becauuse sorcery uses souls, he follows the fate of Seathe that cristallizes his own soul for knowledge and becomes hollow>Anri Anri only goes hollow when she gets herself killed or is killed by Horace
>>733522895Anri also goes hollow while guarding the grave of Horace.
>>733511553>There's never a point in the game where it says undead die for real. That contradicts the central premise of being undead.Except the actual game and NPCs
>>733520857I agree.
>>733523267No, Anri kills herself if Horace is deadSo does Siegward and Eygon if you complete their questlines. It's literally Seppuku
>>733500727>I stayed sane till the very end of time and only started losing my marbles when there was no one left to kick off a ledge.Mogged.
>>733523617If you help Anri kill Aldrich, she can be found hollow nearby either where Horace dies or nearby the start of Cathedral of the Deep (if Horace is alive).https://youtu.be/sSCYM_xiF3s?si=ySsbi-kUvi4DLtO6&t=334
>>733509767They explained it retard. An undead can live forever if he has purpose against his hollowing. Patches does this in the DLC.
>>733523803>If you help Anri kill Aldrich, she can be found hollow Yeah because she killed herselfHorace himself is in that pit because he fell after being chased by skeletons and skeleton balls, died and came back fully hollowed, not because he just happened to magically wander from the Catacombs into Smouldering Lake without even the bridge collapsingIt's very clear that hollowing only happens upon death, after which the hollow can't resurrect anymore. Every character who goes hollow dies.The only exception is Big Hat Logan, because he crystallized his soul (exactly what Seathe did) which is why also Seathe is hollow, and the unkindled like Hawkwood, whose soul is not consumed upon death, but already linked to the Fire (but they still can imbibe humanity that then grows with the same roots as normal hollows upon death, through dark sigils)
>>733524305Again, Patches becoming Lapp and then normal again shows that Hollowing and death aren't 100% correlated. If you die, you're more likely to become Hollow, but you can become Hollow just through a loss of hope and spirit.
Hollows are one thing, as are demons and dragons but theres no explanation for where all the weird ogres or goblin creatures or ugly abominations come from.
>>733524305>Yeah because she killed herselfSince when? Anri is a hollow, dude. She's got dark sigils. She loses her purpose after Aldrich is dead, her duty is over, and she hollows out. That's literally what Ludleth tells you. Her mind is just catching up to her body.
>>733524462>Patches becoming Lapp and then normal again shows that Hollowing and death aren't 100% correlated. Except Patches can be killed in the base game and Lapp will still appear, you are just assuming that his condition didn't worsen with some recurring deaths
>>733503252I bet he wears a hawaaian shirt on weekends when he takes it easy.
>>733509837>I am a smith, such is my purpose.it's a kino line in dark souls' context
>>733500727The blacksmiths are golems infused with souls
>>733517659>https://youtu.be/Yb4ZOBAs280?si=RXBUaA-LRbUWSPlr>that video was 7 years agowtf
>>733524684just more aspects of humanitythe forms vary wildlylook at the locusts in the ringed city for instance>>733525004i love that line about how he'll stick you in his prayers despite hating clerics and finding their faith foolish
Get 'yerself killed*TING**TING**TING**TING*
>>733524947>Anri is a hollowWrong>She's got dark sigils.No, she has humanity, because she is undead. They are only Dark Sigils for the player.>She loses her purpose after Aldrich is dead, her duty is over, and she hollows out.Wrong, she kills herself. Anri and Horace were the two remaining children of Aldrich, children he would devourHorace was not even an undead when he killed the Executioner buried at the cemetery and stole his armor and Rosaria's Fingers cut his tongue, which is why he is reborn as hushed. Anri amd Horace died many times already, but when Aldrich is defeated and Anri is left alone she finally committs suicide and becomes hollow.There's no such thing as losing purpose and becoming hollowSiegward kills himself in real timeGreirat learns Loretta is dead but never goes hollow, only dies from Alva or from being shot in the rooftoos of Lothric Castle.The Crestfallen Knight tries to reach Kaathe, dies (once or more) and is reborn as hollowHollowing is only the result of deaths. It just happens that certain characters commit sudoku after their quest
>>733525690>Ahh, thank you, most sincerely.>I swear upon my birth name.>That I am your friend. No matter what might come out, no matter what I was.>If you would do me the honour, allow me to be a true friend, always.I love him so much, bros
>>733524684Miyazaki doesn't know either and wants you to write the backstory for him
>>733522895>Big Hat Logan goes hollowhe doesn't go hollow, he's 100% human when he attacks you. He goes insane wanting to become a dragon or something
>>733500727"Idle hands" and all that.
>>733526210Seath's loco is within the crystal magic so whoever messes with it too much goes loco too
>>733524684Four witches called down the Profaned Flame. Those are presumably what they became. Because they resemble the great hand of Manus, and there are only 4 of them, some people speculate they are reincarnations of the 4 daughters of Manus in dark souls 2.
>>733526210Why all them undead dudes in Dark Souls never come back after you kill them? Like bro let me kill the same cool dude over and over again.
>>733525004If you kill Patches in the base game he doesn't go hollow, he's dead dead and you get his ashes.DLC Patches is unaffected because muh time is convoluted.
Fromsoft lore sucks.
>>733525931>There's no such thing as losing purpose and becoming hollowis this not disproven with the gael fight? he turns hollow once he realizes he has achieved his goal of obtaining the pigment of the dark soul
>>733526925what would you say is good lore then? btw i have a firing squad ready just in case you cite any bethesda slop as an example
>>733528097not him but doesn't gael just go mad because he's swollen with the dark soul? he hadn't brought the pigment to the painter at that point
>>733528097>he turns hollow once he realizes he has achieved his goalNo, he turns hollow when the humanity he acquired burns through and devour his soul, something that also happens in smaller scale constantly to Firekeepers for their link to the First Flame
>>733528516Gael also can't time travel like you can.
>>733528516gael's soul description states that he knew finding the pigment meant that survival was unlikely. he was betting on you killing him and taking the pigment back to te painter in his stead. the fact that the hollow slayer greatsword is effective against him in his phase 2 reinforces the fact that he went hollow
>>733528603i have to disagree. he literally goes hollow just as he mutters "is this blood? the blood of the dark soul?" when he realizes he had fulfilled his purpose. note that it is only when he hollows does the dark soul take over him
>>733528739Gael soul description knew that he would now survive acquiring the Dark Soul because the 4 Kings received all the same fate (and every other attempt at Dark Lord until Sulyvahn). Humanity, in huge quantities, devours the human soul. This is literally shown in game with werewolves and other red eyes enemies that have massive amounts of humanity (other than pus itself)The Lycanthrope for example, are also hollows, and the Undead Hunters of the Cathedral of the Deep/Evangelists nailed them to crosses and burned them.Gael goes hollow because humanity devours him, not be ome of some nonsensical Shart Souls 2 muh no purpose bullshit
>>733525931>>Anri is a hollow>WrongYuria literally tells you that she's hollow. If you take off her helmet, she's hollow (so is Horace). https://youtu.be/0TX2ec7DmIw?si=KTCu_YESg5QDYaSe&t=123Not even reading the rest of your wall of text when you're this obviously wrong so early in.
>>733528925>i have to disagree.Ok then, be wrong>Actually he goes hollow becauseHe goes hollow because humanity is VISIBLY burning through his chest, literally making him hollowIt has nothing to do with this headcanon nonsense of the purpose
>>733500727Was it really 10 million years? I thought it was just a few millennia at most. There's no way all those buildings and shit would've stayed intact otherwise
>>733528603>Humanity burns through and devours his soulWhat the fuck does this even mean? The big reveal in DaS is that humanity is the soul of humans and that the "white" souls within them are just gwyn's cuck shackles.Going hollow is being simultaneously linked to the fire and being immortal but losing your own soul in the process.The humanity isn't "Eating" your white soul, your own soul in general is being consumed probably by the Dark sign itself.I swear people don't catch all the subtle shit in DaS. Estus is warmth from the bonfire, the bonfire heals you. You can collect thousands of souls and humanity but it does nothing until you toss it in the fire. That's the actual curse, the curse of being linked directly to a supernatural flame. A bonfire in of itself is just a bunch of undead boned lynch pined with a coiled sword, the "fire" was in the undead the whole time.
>>733529136hollowing is an allegory for depression. the loss of one's purpose instigating hollowing reinforces this. if you disregard the very clear and obvious implication of gael's dialogue as he turns hollow, then you are a midwit.
>>733529121>Yuria literally tells you that she's hollowYuria calls everyone Hollow, even the playerHer ideology is that she can make undead sane by embedding the curse into the First Flame, so hollows remain saneAnri is not hollow, but she is an undead ready to have her humanity taken through Rite of Avowal.Yuria's definition of hollow is based on the Usurpation ending, it does not fit the meaning of hollow as undead that turned into a completely feral soul starved beast attacking those who are sane
>>733529348Don't reply to the schizo. He hallucinated a fictional version of the game in his head that always says the opposite of whatever the real game says, and will reply to you for literally 400 posts with schizo theories that are directly contradicted by items and dialogue that he'll stubbornly ignore when you bring it up.
>>733528994Large amounts of the dark soul mutate you but this isn't it "devouring your soul", it's just a state of ascended power like any other being with a large soul.In the case of humanity though, it's dark and spooky, so you become shit like the 4 kings or Manus rather than just a big guy.>>733529445Oh wait, is it Sunrealm Schizo? Sorry I'm more familiar with his Elden Ring contrarian head canon bible than his Dark Souls one.
>>733529348>The big reveal in DaS is [COMPLETELY DERANGED, NONSENSICAL HEADCANON]It's hilarious how you failed to understand the most basic and plainly laid out lore of the game.No retard, the game intro even shows thisThe Dark Souls is made of both Soul and Humanity which, during the undead curse, can kindle it to counter the Darksign itself placed around it from draining it
>>7335007273 is so fucking retarded
>>733529409That's because you are hollow when you accept the dark sigils. Same as Anri. The game calls you a hollow, you physically turn into a hollow, and you have the chance to "Reverse Hollowing" later. It's not some fake definition or whatever. You're just wrong.
>>733529445he is going this far just because he doesnt like ds2 and wants to disavow it from das canon. but even if you discard the hollowing process as presented in ds2, there's still shit in ds3 that tie back to it. The giant tree in firelink, the drang knights, and earthen peak in the dlc. and while miyazaki might not have directed ds2, he still supervised it, and would have definitely vetoed hollowing as shown in ds2 if it deviated too much from ds1
>>733529624Ah, I see, you are him.
>>733529534>Large amounts of the dark soul mutate you but this isn't it "devouring your soul",Yes it is. The game even states it (since the first one) and Irina's questline is a double remark on that.You want to know what happened to Gael? Check out Kaathe's playthings under New Londo, or how the hollows look like root trees developing from the soul outwards towards the rest of the body No point further discussing this, you are wrong, go play the games again
>>733529348>The big reveal in DaS is that humanity is the soul of humans and that the "white" souls within them are just gwyn's cuck shackles. Uhhh what? Where is this written?
>>733524684Trans hands>>733528994Tranny kings>>733529624Troon Flames
>>733529863>>733529624It's not true.This guy is a retard that doesn't understand any Souls game and always lashes out at "Sun Realm schizo" when proven wrong because some poster triggered him when he was proven wrong in an ER thread
>>733528994>Gael soul description knew that he would now survive acquiring the Dark Soul because the 4 Kings received all the same fateNowhere in his soul's description does it suggest this. It heavily implies the opposite.The sole reason why gael leaves behind messages for you and guides you through the ringed city is because he wants you to kill him.
>>733500727DS3 was so horrible. Never understood how people could like it.
>>733529534>Soul of a long-lost Fire Keeper.>Each Fire Keeper is a corporeal manifestation of her bonfire, and a draw for the humanity which is offered to her. >Her soul is gnawed by infinite humanity, and can boost the power of the precious Estus Flasks.>It can be used to gain Humanity and restore HP at the cost of losing the Fire Keeper soul to reinforce the Estus Flasks. Dark Souls 1 and Dark Souls 3 are quite clear. People don't randomly go hollow for no reason at all. They have to die, they either get killed, commit sudoku or lose their soul through different means (see Undead Dragons as experiments left soulless, Seathe, Gwyn that burned his soul, Gael that had his soul devoured by overwhelming humanity,..)
>>733529534>Oh wait, is it Sunrealm Schizo?Every time there's a shitty lore post from some retard that didn't understand shit it's you. You are either a falseflag from this Sunrealm guy or actually vindicating him/proving him right nonstop
>>733530020What the fuck are you talking about? I said exactly that>>733530038We are not trannies
>>733530237And how would you justify "Is this the blood? The blood of the dark soul" just as gael turns hollow? Do you unironically think that the writers threw in a red herring just because?No matter how hard you fucking cope, peak souls 2 is canon. Miyazaki would have never approved of its main plot if it didnt align with how hollowing works because the ds2 is centerer around the hollowing curse.
>>733526146not everything has to be explained, it's a good approach
>>733529775That's no different from any other powerful soul devouring you. Like chaos fire devouring your soul. Or crystal magic devouring your soul. Receiving a huge unexpected flux of soul juice into your body fucks your shit up. The dark soul is not special in this regard.
>>733529654Hollowing is not the same as hollowHollow is a monicker for those who became completely hollowOnly Yuria calls sane undead as hollows, for good reason, but wrong regarding the actual state of the person
>>733529775Nah, you're schizo.>>733529863You're also same fagging>>733529971There you are again.Anyway, The rite of Kindling and humanity descriptions which states>Rare tiny black sprite found on corpses. Use to gain 1 humanity and restore a large amount of HP. >This black sprite is called humanity, but little is known about its true nature.>If the soul is the source of all life, then what distinguishes the humanity we hold within ourselves?Imply that within the setting, humanity is considered useless and mysterious as humans were taught the Soul was the source of all life.Because various undead also have white souls (I.E Soul of a Hero) and these descriptions, we can presume humans have 2 souls, as it is revealed in DaS's climax that humanity is a shard of the Dark Soul and source of immense power that collectively could put humans are the level of gods, especially as the fire fades.It's then revealed in dark souls III that Gwyn objectively sealed the dark soul in Fire, which is the source of the Dark Sign, resulting in the curse.>>733530237Fire Keepers are special undead that are clearly some sort of avatar for their bonfire. Undead are driven to burn humanity to retain a human form as just another factor of the curse. Any soul returned to the fire can be fuel, by Gwyn feared the dark afterall, and humanity is the ripest fuel at that point in the story which is why the Chosen Undead legend was started to begin with.Using their special souls as evidence that "Humanity eats the white soul of humans" is schizo nonsense. It doesn't even imply the Fire Keepers soul is even in any danger of being fully devoured.
>>733530570>gael soul description alleges that he knew he would survive cuz of four kangs shenangiansUhhh nowhere in his soul description does it even remotely hint at that>that's what i said?Get a fucking grip, you schizo retard
>>733530707>B-but my headcanon is real because of my biasLolDark Souls 2 is nonsensical fanfiction that doesn't even respect its own canon
>>733530826>More nonsensical schizo headcanonLol>It's then revealed in dark souls III that Gwyn objectively sealed the dark soulWhich is NOT the humanity, and is NOT a dark spriteYou are so retarded
>>733530845>>gael soul description alleges that he knew he would surviveNobody said this>>733530826Fucking kek
>>733530826No. Humanity is just part pf the Dark Soul, which is one and whole and what Gwyn feared. There's no white and black, the Dark Souls are flamesThe icon of the Rite of Kindling shows using humanity to kindle a bonfire. It doesn't mean there's a grand conspiracy and the soul of man is actually black. Get your meds, retard
>>733530918FACT: Gael turns hollow because he fulfilled his goal of obtaining the pigment of the dark soul. This aligns with hollowing being an allegory for depression. FACT: Miyazaki formally worked as a supervisor for ds2. Hollowing plays a central role throughout the entirety of the game, from lucatiel to king vendrick. There is no way he would have kept silent if he actually disapproved of how hollowing was presented in ds2. FACT: ds2 is canon and there are several callbacks to it in ds3, ranging from NPCs to entire locales such as earthen peak. HEADCANON: gael knew he would turn into a four kangz creature, disregarding the fact that he leaves behind guiding messages for you in the ringed city for the sake of leading you to him for you to kill and deliver the pigment to the painter.
>>733531068>lol>>733531136>fucking kekAh, ok, it's Eric.
>>733531305>Gael turns hollow becauseBecause the Dark Soul is visibly burning a hole in his chest, making him hollow
>>733531303Black and white are just short hand for "normal soul" and "shard of the dark soul". Be less autistic.>it doesn't mean grand conspiracyYes it does, did you forget the Chosen Undead shit?
>>733530726>That's no different from any other powerful soul devouring you. Like chaos fire devouring your soul. Or crystal magic devouring your soulExcept you made those up>The dark soul is not special in this regard.Yes it is
>>733529212Theres no defined passage of time. Which is fine, it gives an air of mystery to the series. What I find baffling is all the technological stagnation.
>>733500727he didn't stay sane despite doing manual labor (smithing isn't menial), he stayed sane because of doing it
>>733531386"Is this the blood? The blood of the dark soul?"
This schizo retard is now going on a meltdown because he never watched the intro of Dark Souls
Why don't I lose my SLs when I reach 99 humanity in DaS then?
>>733531504>What I find baffling is all the technological stagnation.Lothric is far more advanced and has far more impressive architecture and technology than Lordran
>>733531636Oh for sure but I mean overall. Most of DaS3 should logically be as Victorian as Bloodborne.
>>733500727A blacksmith's will must be stronger than the steel he forges
>>733503125Chopping firewood is better. I remember doing it for my grandma long ago, works out almost the whole body, no long term bad effects except risk of cutting something off if you're not paying attention I guess. I'd do it for free just for the workout instead of going to the gym, but I live in the big city nowadays. (And dunno if modern people even chop wood anymore, I assume they just buy them in batches already cut by a machine.)
>>733526643Time and space are compressing thanks to the fire fading, so instead of being dudes going through the game at the same time as you, its more like your all time displaced individuals intersecting at certain points which are more often stable around bonfires and the like.So when you kill a undead and often by taking their gear which leaves them destitute in hostile environments in the process, your ostensibly severing their chance of syncing up with your personal timeline and they presumably wander off offscreen.
>>733503704Show steel, smith bro
>>733530812Ok retard, but we're talking about being physically hollow because that's obviously what's going down. She didn't have to kill herself to become like that, or anything dumb like that, because she has dark sigils like the player character. Then she loses her mind and becomes "fully" hollow when she kills Aldrich and her purpose is exhausted.
>ITT we wait for the schizo to change tacticsSay the line Bart.
>>733531503No, I didn't make it up. Chaos fire devouring people's souls and transforming them into demons is an indisputable part of the games' backstory. Crystal magic devouring your soul is canon as per DS3. https://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Sage%27s+Crystal+StaffPlay the games that actually released and not whatever imaginary version of them you played in your head. This conversation is over.
>>733531882he still hasnt addressed the fact that there are callbacks to ds2 in ds3, or the fact that miyazaki supervised ds2, a game that is centered around hollowing
>>733531830Also, undead usually don't revive literally instantly after you kill them. It takes the Abyss Watchers almost a minute to get back up after being killed, and the Cathedral of the Deep has industrialized the process of keeping undeads in the dirt for as long as possible between resurrects.
>>733525690>the locusts in the ringed cityI thought the description of the locust hat made them out to be another species entirely, and the abyss has its own fauna
>>733531964>Crystal magic devouring your soul is canon as per DS3.The description of that staff states that it devours the 'will' and not the soul. It correlates to the mind, which is why it affects FP cost. The japanese description further reinforces this. It uses 意志 (ishi) which means will, resolve, or mental fortitude.
>>733532376There's also the Resist Curse spell in DS1:>Abhorrent curses eat away at the core of one's very existence, and cleansing oneself of curses is no easy task indeedHere's how curse goes down>Get cursed>Your body is consumed by crystals>This is the process of eroding away your soul>Your HP is halvedCrystallization is the petrification of the soul, and while curses are the most dramatic example of this assblasting you on a metaphysical level, tampering with crystal sorceries in an attempt to exploit this also fucks you up.
>>733531754There's several hints of technological, social and magical progress. You can feel Miyazaki's touch in Dark Souls 1 and 3 In Dark Souls 3>Architecture went from early Romanic to Gothic, that's at least 500 years apart. Steeples, tall archways, more grand architecture.>Firekeepers went from pariah considered dirty for being channelers of humanity in a God-centric society to religious figures, Emma being straight up Lothric's pope>The public opinion of Dragons went from hating them to worshipping them as symbol of everlasting life (but they worship wyverns because real dragons are kaputt)>The Cathedral of the Deep has a chapel and several statues dedicated to Rosaria (from the time they were still devout clerics worshipping a Goddess descendant and the blessed spring) but after Aldrich's takeover and corruption of the Deep the Chapel had her statue covered with one of the Deacons and all her statues in the main Cathedral covered>Irithyll is similarly more advanced in construction, with the exception of Yhorshka's chapel which is deliberately consistent in style to Anor LondoMore details>Lothric Knights have crossbows meant to be used with lightning bolts that come from Anor Londo, so they don't use it because the road between Anor Londo and Lothric collapsed with Sulyvahn's takeover. You can only get lightning bolts when Greairat obtains them from Irithyll raid>The "pregrant" dog in Road of Sacrifice is actually swollen with growing pus from eating the sacrifices that escaped, and you cab see the broken cages and chariots down the road>Wolnir jarred people, and obtained wraiths from them. The pyromancy he uses burns his followers into skeletons, some of which have their bones collected to then be inhabited by the wraith again. He is using the same rituals as the red wraiths in the DS1 Catacombs>>733531626>>733531554Get your meds, now. I'm not arguing with some retard that doesn't know the difference between Souls, Dark Souls and Humanity.
>>733520401Jesus fuck why's he shaped like a barrel
>>733531964No, this is not true>Crystal spheres devour the will of the userFuck off
>>733532987>t. ostrich putting his head in the sand to ignore the truth of how messing with crystal magic makes you lose your mind and go hollow
>>733532521>Crystallization is the petrification of the soul,Uh no... Crystallization is the... Crystallization of the soul.Sorcery uses souls, and crystals. Not sure why you would call it Petrification when it's always Crystal>>Abhorrent curses eat away at the core of one's very existenceBecause the curse is corrupted humanity expanding and violently taking form beyond the human soul, devouring the latter while dark seeps out. Similarly, too much humanity also devours the soul (like Gael). It would otherwise because black crystals, like the Dark gems or the Dark Crystals the Crystal Sage uses (using humanity as projectile)
>>733532915>Wolnif jarred peopleNigga those are burial urns.
>>733532521>Crystallization is the petrificationDark Souls 2 trannies are so sadYour fanfiction game will never be canon
>>733533387Because outside of DS2 where Petrification is specifically a status effect, the word "petrification" means turning into a rock. Nobody really cares if this means turning into a granite rock or a silicate rock, which is a crystal. You're petrifying. The fact that you even bothered typing this incredibly pedantic argument out means I've won.>The curse is corrupted humanity spreading.No. It is not. It's literally just your soul solidifying into a physical medium, which sucks for you if you needed that soul, but otherwise is a useful amplifier for sorceries. That is to say, it's a form of out-of-control magic that consumes your soul in a way that's really unrelated to the dark soul, specifically. This whole thesis you're typing is bullshit.
>>733533449No, he put the bones there after burning them, you literally see bones sticking out, because bones are a fuel for pyromancer power
>>733533682It's a catacomb, they're burial urns.
>>733533625>No. It is not. It's literally just your soul solidifying into a physical mediumExcept the curse involves only humanity, so not the soul, to the point humanity takes shape into various forms, gaining will of its own>Pyromancy discovered from the Abyss by High Lord Wolnir that inspired the black arts of the grave wardens. >Releases undulating black flames that trace the ground.>Be it sorcery or pyromancy, all techniques that infringe on humanity lead to the same place. That is to say, they all seek a will of their own.All sorceries and pyromancies that use dark (deep soul, black serpent,...) have homing abilities. Even Dark Arrows do. Curse is your humanity expanding outwards rapidly, which is why you need more humanity to restore it
>>733533924No, they don't have ashes, they have bones put there because they accumulate wraiths through those urns. They use the same undead magic as in ds1 ehere they burn corpses until the bones accumulate wraiths
>>733534325>Except the curse involves only humanity, so not the soulNo it does not, dude. Have you never played DS1? Did you forget that Seath vomits curse attacks everywhere? Seath is not human and does not use any kind of dark magic. This is not something related to humanity anymore than casting Great Heavy Soul Arrow is. There is nothing special about the dark soul in its ability to mutate the shit out of you by messing with your soul. Any sufficiently powerful or specially-targeted magic can do this.
>>733534510They're lazy urns for miscellaneous remains. Fantasy catacombs are almost all inspired by the french catacombs which was a repurposed stone quarry. To deal with the fact that Paris lacked enough land to accommodate new burial grounds, they dug up the remains of as many historic french as they could, lining their bones along the walls to turn the Quarry into a new tomb for french ancestors so that the new generation of rich fags could bury their dead in the cemeteries. Special people got the special tombs, poorfags got their bones turned into decoration for the walls.That's why in fantasy games you see carving in the walls for some skeletons but then some poor sods skull serving as a brick in a wall of bones, the rest of his skeleton lost and scrambled.All Souls tombs are pretty much based on this, nobody bases theirs off of the way neater, less macabre roman catacombs. The romans didn't do shit like make walls of skulls above femur bones stacked in a pattern.
