>game takes place in the future>oh but the game takes place in central or eastern europe>here's your started pistol >btw if the game was set in the US the starter pistol will be the colt 9/11i dont understand why they keep puting the same old guns from long ago cant we just see more modern guns that were mass produced? i dont get the circle jerk of old firearms might aswell give me a hand cannon too from the 13th century...if the game is set in the FUTURE then just re design the guns hell cyberpunk did it (even tho it was shit in some parts) but still at least they tried...no guns last forever and some stop production
>>733517923if the game was set in the future in eastern europe devs could have added a fort-12 / 15 or the new MP-443 Grach pistol even. but ig most people lack knowledge or just dont do reserch of other countries or just THINK about the world building idk :/
>>733517923To be fair Makarov is most popular pistol in ex USSR simply because a lot of it was produced in USSR, and then a lot PM's were illegaly sold by military to criminals during economic troubles in 90's. More modern pistols were introduced after economic fuckup was solved so military no longer had economic reasons to sell their guns. This is on top of that that owning handgun is illegal in Russia, only uniformed services like police or military are allowed to have them.Also pistols firing non-lethal rubber bullets(legal in russia unlike normal pistols) that are stylised to look like makarov are quite popular, and some people modify them to fire regullar bullets.So in terms of Russia most popular pistol you would see outside of military and police would be makarov, ane still some backwater police and military units still would use it.
>>733518989fair enough
>>733517923>Game is a Stalker like>Game has soviet faction>Game has sneaking mission I wouldn't have it any other way
>>733517923Oh no, how dare the extremely reliable, highly durable and easy to maintain weapons from the 20th century continue to survive and see circulation well into the future?
>>733517923It's called having good taste. No wonder you can't understand it
>>733517923
cant improve upon perfection
>>733517923what's the little loop for? is it there to hang little charms like a 2000s cell phone?
As we actually get to the future we are realizing that energy or rail man portable weaponry is impractical expect to be fighting with AR variants forever.
How come guns dont make the pew pew noise anymore in movies and games?
>>733520224The US army just did.
>>733520270it's a lanyard loopso you can tie it to your belt
>>733520224they did tho
>>733520334the pussies making the games now don't know what guns sound like
>>733520486Based boomer still thinking the 80s were "just recently". Thank you for your service.
>>733517923The 1911's tilting barrel is still the basis of 99% of all modern pistol designs, give or take notable exceptions like the Beretta 92.It's barely changed because there's no fucking reason to change and 1911s are still insanely popular. Yes for 99% of real actual work that needs a handgun a basic ass glock firing 9mm is going to do the job fine but you can't be mad that sometimes you want to inject a little character into your game, or movie, or whatever. And what better hero pistol than THE hero pistol?
>>733520224double stack 1911s prove that statement wrong
>>733520209desu the gun would been already rusted too much to even work or explode upon fireing
>>733517923Name 3>>733518989Isn't the pm the small one that packs a punch due to its design and rifle like rounds?
>>733520270It's a sling anchor point, to link your gun to your person. Supposed to make it harder for you to lose your weapon. Cops used to use them all the time in order to dissuade niggers from blindsiding them and stealing their guns, but they were phased out from the police force in favor of improved holsters.
>>733520767the pm was made to injure rather than kill tho theres no reason not to change the bullet type or caliber to 9mm
>>733520754this may shock you, Ahkmed, but guns can last centuries if they're properly maintained
>>733520859Can it fire both calibres?>injure rather than killHow and why?
>>733520689>The 1911's tilting barrel is still the basis of 99% of all modern pistol designsThat's like saying the steam engine is the basis for 99% of all modern cars, because they both use pistons.The SiG P220 is the direct basis for around 80% of modern pistols, because blowback and rotating barrel pistols exist and are popular, is the correct statement.
>>733520224Interesting to see the twisted elbow technique used for an automatic
>>733517923Delusional. This specific type is vastly underrepresented. The pmm is the one used.
>>733520684The 80s are recent in gun terms lol.Most people don't know how guns work, even in the US, thinking they're iPhones. I saw people being against the idea of a new GTA set in the 80s saying shit like "I don't want to shoot old guns" lol basically any game set since the 1960s would work the same as today.
Is fascination with guns the small dick/american version of a fascination with trains?
>>733517923>starter pistol is a 1911Name 3 games released in the last 5 years that do this...
>>733523070>play Call of Duty set in 1960s>MC uses an AR>play Call of Duty set in 80s>MC uses an AR>play Call of Duty set in 90s>MC uses an AR>play Call of Duty set in 2000s/2010s/2020s>MC uses an AR or HK416 or MCX or other gas piston AR>play Call of Duty set in 2035>MC uses an AR>play call of Duty set in 2045>MC uses an AR>play Call of Duty set in 2065>MC uses an AR
>game takes place in the near future>cheapo undesirable starter pistol is a sig p320
Turns out you really can't get much more dangerous than a slug thrower without moving to area bombs
>>733523786lol
>>733520209The fucking m2 browning, the spitfire had these, and it will continue to be used for all eternity
>>733517923Old shit sticking around forever is the most accurate depiction of the future
>>733523724>play game funded by the US army>MC uses the same thing the US army does now
>Colt 9/11
>>733517923>does fuckall damage and would be more useful thrown at the enemy like a baseball
>let me guess, you need more?
>>733517923>colt 9/11
>>733520859if it were made to injure, why did they design the shells to bounce around in the skull?
>>733520767>Isn't the pm the small one that packs a punch due to its design and rifle like rounds?No, Makarov is small pistol firing weaker 9mm(9x18 instead of 9x19 parabellum) because strong one TT-33(7,62x25 strong for a pistol) was malfunctioning too much. Soviets wanted something light, cheap and okayish(for 1950's pistol standards) to go along with AK.Out of interesting Soviet handguns you had fully automatic APS with holster stock introduced alongside PM, PSS that is small KGB silent pistol without any supressor due to specialy designed round where gassess never leave case, PSM that is small pistol for self defence for officers that is suprisingly good against soft body armor because it's 5,45x18 have steel core to strenghten bullet and there is RSh-12 revolver chambered in 12,7x55 subsonic round for spacial forces, this one pack a punch. There are also some 9x21mm pistols designed for good armor penetration(for pistol standards).
polymer framed guns fucking sucka pistol needs to be used as a bludgeon to finish off a mortally wounded opponent or child without wasting a bullet
>>733523724I actually appreciate that the AR is so fucking old that it's always been "the gun from the future" and its original vision of the future is almost Jetsons tier at this pointPic related; it's all the same thing
>>733517923>btw if the game was set in the US the starter pistol will be the colt 9/11To be fair, the 1911 is the single most aesthetic handgun ever made, apart from maybe the good ol' Peacemaker. So it is understandable.
>>733528357>was malfunctioning too muchWell, no shit?>go along with akLike inn style or in use?>cheaoI thought it's of rather good quality, being one block of metal?>psmI confused the pm with the psm. The psm is the popular one among officers, isn't it? The 5,45x18. I now remember the subsonic rounds. The psm is the outstanding one that's quite pricey today. How come no one manufacturers it as licensed version?
>>733528378The scrotum girl, she's funny!>>733528378>without wasting a bulletYou forgot women??>>733528712Amt hardballer
>>733523070>>733523724>>733528702It's all different guns for an average gamer
>>733528798Women are to be killed with bare hands
>>733529198I understand. Sometimes one needs a certain level of contact.
>>733517923you know they still get makarovs in those countries today right
>>733528725>Like inn style or in use?As in work unlike TT-33 that broke all the time.>I thought it's of rather good quality, being one block of metal?It's reliable, light and could be mass produced by soviet industry.>I confused the pm with the psm. The psm is the popular one among officers, isn't it? It's small, handy and very light(like half weight of Makarov light) pistol so it became popular with law enforcment like KGB and police force, not military.>The 5,45x18. I now remember the subsonic rounds. It's faster than Makarov's 9x18 round, so being subsonic was't design philosophy, it's just hard to fire anything stronger from tiny self defence pistol. It's quite weak round but due to steel core it's suprisingly good at penetrating soft body armor.>How come no one manufacturers it as licensed version?There is no need for it, it was specialised weapon for light self defence pistol for people who weren't under serious threat but had to be armed, so they got very light gun, it also fired weird soviet round.Also TT-33 got it's new golden era in 90's among russian criminals because armor piercing 7,62x25 rounds could penetrate body armor no problem.
>>733523786If it doesn't randomly shots a bullet I'm disappointed
>>733529695>As in work unlike TT-33 that broke all the time.Kek. Weapons are always rather cheap, I reckonMass produced for ever broke entities.
>>733523786realism? in my video games?
>>733517923lole chodegrips
>>733529695>TT-33>work unlike TT-33 that broke all the timeIsn't there an ultra light, yet strong pistol nowadays? For what it is I'm quite fond of the psm and would pay premium to have it. Beautiful little thing from the past.
>>733521783Nope.>retarded magazine release because Euros are incompetentNot many modern guns with that trash. 1911 did it correct right at the start.>rotating barrelis used by one UGLY as fuck spaghetti nigger blaster nobody uses.>blowbackStill uses a slide which was invented by browning, get fucked on weak caliber plebs
>>733527957Why is there a trigger inside the trigger?
>>733530441So you don't sig yourself
>>733530187Ur stupid.Show me all these modern pistols using a barrel bushing holding in a barrel linked to the frame like in a 1911 and locking into radial cuts into the slide instead of the ejection port like the P75. I'll wait.
>>733520320No air to cool. Only black body radiation. Basic ar would suck in space.
>>733530103>Isn't there an ultra light, yet strong pistol nowadays?Dunno, but PSM isn't strong pistol, it have less than half energy of 9mm makarov not to mention 9mm parabellum. Only thing that is interesting was that suprisingly it could penetrate soft body armor, despite not being designed with this in mind.>For what it is I'm quite fond of the psm and would pay premium to have it. Beautiful little thing from the past.It was quite rare in USSR as well, it was for guys who had to have firearm on them but makarov was considered too big and heavy.Also rarity is what gives PSM it's legendary status, if it was common it would be just another small pistol but chambered for weird soviet round.
>>733530530Show me all these modern pistols with magazine release levers and stamped slides. HK invented the modern pistol, cope sigger
>>733530593Just pour some water from bottle or tap to cool it.
>>733520684The new gun has a better paintjob and if you told me it’s a better gun I’ll believe you but I feel like the 1911 grip is better, at least from looking at it, it looks comfortable and nice to hold.
>>733530796ur a retard
>>733530852
>>733517923Here is my Pitch>AltHistory future>Bassicaly USSR and USA went HARD into a spce race so now we have collonies>One of the new ones is some planet with McGuffinium>and maybe aliens>Bassiacly Warsaw Pact and NATO send their soldiers to that planet to secure it.>Since money went to space gear kind of stagnated>So they use older equipment>conflict ensuresI dunno I just want to see Cold War gear actualy in use
>>733520209Why would anyone save this lame ass larp
>>733531019shut up fag
>>733530593>you need air to transfer heat>but the sun heats up the earth just finethanks /r/science, very cool
>>733530921>not only a retard>but also confuses completely distinct companiesDo you also think Springfield Armory the importer of the HS2000 is the same entity as the government armory in Springfield?
>>733530935Your justification is retarded, tech would improve simply because of sidegrades, it always happens. If you want old gear just give your setting old gear, justification is not only unnecessary it makes you come off as an insecure writer. Warhammer 40k never justified a thing and it’s one of the most successful settings ever
>>733531087No, you shut up, newfag jeet.
>>733530593just use water
>>733531110No, because that wasn't even a company. Sig however was formed from a bunch of mountain jews who hated patents so they copied everyone else's guns back when Switzerland didn't recognize the concept of patents. Basically FN but poorer.
>>733531139fag is mad
>>733530441It's a trigger safety, meaning the big trigger that actually fires the gun can't be pulled unless the little trigger inside it is also pulled, and it's supposed to help prevent accidental discharges from shit like the larger trigger catching on your shirt or the edge of your holster or the like but I'm not sure how much it actually helps with that.
>>733531179You're the stupidest, blackest, most belligerent gorilla nigger I've seen all week.
>>733531459thank you
>>733531251Indeed you are
>>733531512ur welcome
>>733529842>put gun away>nd's into your leg>pull gun out>nd's into your leg>sig p320, pic unrelated
>>733530935>>So they use older equipmentOn the new planet?>>733531131>Your justification is retardedIt's true.>>733530935Why not use an unspecified world, name 9ne faction jewbacca and the other bewjacca. Names may be subject to change and let your story unfold. If you can't build a world, don't so it and focus on the conflict. Don't need to flesh out the factions, too. Focus on the conflict.
>>733531019you seem to not know what "larp" means
>>733531019You don't know what LARP means.
>deadliest urban-american firearm has never been represented in video games
>>733532209Not that guy, premise makes perfect sense.>On the new planet?Obviously. Colonial troops were ALWAYS issued lesser or outdated weaponry historically compared to the mainline army. It makes perfect sense to ship off all your surplus to the frontier conflict happening over there, and keep your newest and best for the defense here.>Why not use an unspecified world, name 9ne faction jewbacca and the other bewjacca. Names may be subject to change and let your story unfold. If you can't build a world, don't so it and focus on the conflict. Don't need to flesh out the factions, too. Focus on the conflict.awful tumblr tier writing advice for llm junkiesfurther just look at the real world right now. The Russians are rolling out soviet relics because they cannot keep up production on modern equipment decades after the cold war is over. They can't reliably issue modern body armor, optics, or even rifles. Zero chance an off-earth colonial war wouldn't involve old guns pulled out of storage.
>>733532518Glock 40, heck of a problem solver.
>>733532557>Obviously. Colonial troops were ALWAYS issued lesser or outdated weaponry historically compared to the mainline army. It makes perfect sense to ship off all your surplus to the frontier conflict happening over there, and keep your newest and best for the defense here.The span is a bit much. 19th century colonies didn't fight with makeshift bows and spears. Sure, the old stuff is available and cheap and if they get new things, they will likely be of worse quality than the gear needed at home.
>>733532557The Russians have the chance to use old shit and clear their storageImagine burning through new gear, why bother? Same goes fir the west. They send the shit they don't really need.
>>733533295>Russians>new gearRemember the early days of the war when they were finding out that the new gear had been sold to finance Ikea furniture?
>>733533212>The span is a bit much.What is the span? He literally didn't say.>>733533295>the chancelmao you mean "the requirement" since there is no new gear.
>>733520767>rifle like roundsWhat does this mean?
>>733533820Small and fast, unlike pistol rounds that are bigger and slower.
>>733517923old good new bad
>>733533846Are we talking video game logic or IRL? Because IRL that makes zero sense whatsoever
>>733533661Is this gog?>new gear sold outLol, sure. Both countries are corrupt as hell. Raping is common in their military. One guy told me he wanted to open a company and police asked for 2k usd bribes a monthSomehow they found out how much he would've warned and they asked him 80k per month. He left the country two days later and sold his investments for domes a dollar. That was like 2007.
>>733533687>span From cold war to going to new planets.
>>733533687>lmao you mean "the requirement" since there is no new gear.You said relics. They aren't relics if that's the best you got.
It'll stop being the pistol of choice when it stops being the best pistol ever made.
>>733533846Rifle rounds are both bigger and faster than pistol ones.
>>733534082>new gear sold outYes.
>>733533936That is exactly how it works IRL.>>733534371which is bigger anon 5mm or 9mm
genuinely how do you beat john moses browning?
>>733534251The 1911 was Browning's cute little first draft for a pistol, but it was obsolete as soon as he made the sequel that was better in every way.
>>733530441yo dawg we heard you liked triggers so we put a trigger on your trigger so you can trigger while you trigger
>>733534596>which is bigger anon 5mm or 9mmI woild guess that one that is 60mm long with case instead of 30mm. You know calliber isn't all there is to size of round. Otherwise 7,62x25 tokarev, 7,62x39 and 7,62x54R would be same round but for some reason rifle rounds are bigger.Not to mention rifle ammo also consist of 7,62x51 or 7,62x54R that are even bigger than 5,45-7,62x39.
>>733534541That's the first time I see a body ripped apart by a... Grenade? Isis shot rpg at people, they usually lost their head tops (lol).
>>733534596>which is bigger anon 5mm or 9mmYou tell me
>>733534853You don't.>invented the modern pistol>invented the fucking pistol slide>invented the replacement for his pistol even though it didn't catch on in the US 50 years later we would realize he was right and double stack 9mms are the way to go>invented the pump action shotgun>invented the semi-automatic shotgun>perfected the lever action rifle, did it so well even though he made it decades before smokeless powder it didn't need to be altered at all or updated to capable of handling smokeless powder loads, they still just make the same exact gun to this day nearly 150 years later>while he was at it made a lever action capable of using spitzer bullets because why not>invented the M2 machinegun still in use to this day
>>733534251If it's so great why no military and no police force use it no more as service sidearm?
>>733535281>>733535352so what you're saying is rifle bullets are smaller, and have more propellant (faster) meanwhile pistol bullets are larger, and slower.Wow, thanks for taking like an hour to reword what I said in the first place. Want to keep going so you can pretend you were right you nogunz subhuman Eurotrash?
>>733535395>why are DEI hires and intentionally crippled militaries not using the best equipmentI'd wager it's the fault of the hebrews.
>>7335354637,62x39, round that AK-47 fires is both bigger, heavier and faster than any 9mm round.
20th century guns are simply superior. Elegantly and simply designed mechanisms. More complex mechanisms simply increases the chances something inside it will break. The more moving parts a machine has the greater the chance something goes wrong. Even the simplest machines eventually break with enough use, i.e. a simple wooden beam employed as a lever will eventually snap. But fixing or replacing such a simple machine is easy: you bind the two halves together, or simply find another beam. Guns that are made of a few basic mechanical pieces are similarly easy to repair and maintain, compared to their over-complicated modern counterparts.
>>733533661I think the thing that was most baffling was how much Spetsnaz were built up to be this equivalent of US and other top-tier special forces.And then something like 70-90% of them were wiped out in the first year of the 2022 invasion of Ukraine and just stopped being reported in action in any significant way after that. Even fucking Red Wings for it being basically the go-to example for "why Navy SEALs are overrated" was nowhere near as devastating to the US special forces apparatus.Now COD and Battlefield just gave up and now you're just fighting other Americans/Europeans or corporate cyberpunk mercenaries.
>>733535578>DEI hiresAnon, USA started program to replace 1911 in 70's and replaced it with Beretta in 80's. It was in middle of Regan being a president and him introducing crack to black hoods because he was still salty about civil rights.
>>733535642147gr 9mm is very common, while most 7.62x39 is under 130gr. But that hardly matters, since 7.62x39 is old shit nobody uses. 5.45 is much lighter.>bigger9 is still larger than 7
>>733535784modern guns are generally much simpler than older ones. Finding the most efficient way to do things takes time.
>>733536487>9 is still larger than 7>>733535642>Aarrrghh!!I bet you say that rn.
>>733537369What?
