This used to be considered an abomination but now we pray Square Enix makes a game even half as good
>>733537212>used to be considered an abominationX-Play: 4/5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G-uE1Ogv98Gamespot: 8.1/10https://www.gamespot.com/reviews/final-fantasy-x-2-review/1900-6083743/IGN: 9.5/10https://www.ign.com/articles/2003/11/07/final-fantasy-x-2-3Gameinformer: 8.75/10>LINE BREAKNow that you're finished talking out of your ass, can we have a decent Final Fantasy X-2 thread?
>>733537212>good music>good gameplay>pretty girls>cast has great chemistry with each other>story is fine enoughThe only genuine criticisms you can make of the game is that it requires a guide and grinding AP is a chore. People were made because gamers, and especially FF fans, of the 2000s kept wanting everything to be FF7 and FFX and were mad this had girls and not some kind of "badass" like Sephiroth or Auron they could jerk off too (not gay btw).
>>73353721215 year old me liked it a lot.
>>733538038No we must now talk about Spherehunter.
>>733537212Nobody actually thought this was an "abomination".At worst, Final Fantasy fanboys thought it was bad relative to other Final Fantasy games because it "wasn't like the others" and "was too girly". "Bad" relative to the games they liked from an objectively great series.
>>733539162>Nobody actually thought this was an "abomination".Yes they did, gamers at the time hated it and thought it was basically the death of Final Fantasy for those reasons you say, especially because it was "girly" by not having broody pretty boy badasses. Also because it was an actual sequel to a Final Fantasy game which was almost blasphermous* in their eyes. I don't think you understand that the way Mexicans on 4chan act now is how white anime fans and weeaboos 25 years ago acted.>*Only because it wasn't an FF7 sequel. These retards loved Advent Children though.
>>733538038Yo is that journo number scores? I love those things because journos doing number scores is the clearest way to tell if people like a thing and if journo number score is good I can now buy the product, they are the authority on if something is good or not after all.
>>733539642It survived X-Play. You know, the outlet that retards love to paint in a bad light by falsely claiming that they DESPISED all Japanese games and especially JRPGs? While we're at it, have a slew of Japanese games that people, if you asked them, would tell you that X-Play tore to shreds (when in reality, they gave fair credit where it was due).>Shadow Hearts - From the New World: 4/5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e64slHvha4A>Shadow Hearts - Covenant: 4/5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_MT5Vh6uTg>Final Fantasy X-2: 4/5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G-uE1Ogv98>Final Fantasy XII: 5/5youtube.com/watch?v=yoRqDt0GiSE>Dragon Quest VIII: 5/5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3mZAAwZW-I>Shin Megami Tensei 3 Nocturne: 5/5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ckniA7YbB0>Shin Megami Tensei Persona 3 FES: 4/5youtube.com/watch?v=9LP_TkQs7vI>Shin Megami Tensei Persona 4: 4/5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMI8KTniCZk>Jeanne d'Arc: 4/5youtube.com/watch?v=7cPDeGzz4iU>Enchanted Arms: 4/5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LN03yYA-L8>Kingdom Hearts II: 4/5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxa0JOSrhW0
>>733537212The story is really fucking gay but I'll always be a sucker for an RPG where any character and do any fucking thing you want
>>733540042>I'll always be a sucker for an RPG where any character and do any fucking thing you want
>>733540001They only made fun of anime and anime licensed games, which deserved it
>>733537212>This used to be considered an abominationBy people who have never played it. I used to call it an abomination, but that's because I never played it. I thought "eww girls" and that was it. When I actually played it as an adult though, it was pretty fun. Most underrated Final Fantasy game, for sure.
>>733540089Can** my bad
>>733540001My entire worldview changed when I learned that Adam is a cokehead who hates video games. I watched GameSpot TV with Kate Botello and then Extended Play and then X-play, and I thought for sure that Adam Sessler was the game guy, but nope.
>>733537212The job system is as fun as they could get it. Anything since could've used the same system and been better off for it.
>>733540001You're not getting it, just because I like x-2 doesn't mean I'll ever stoop so low as to start throwing out number scores like a faggot to defend it. If you want to defend something say it with your words not someone else's.
>>733540359I was never a JRPG guy in my youth and I know a litany of them are fucking trash but it was annoying to see x-play immediately poopoo any JRPG because EWWW JAPAN ICKY SO STOOPID and then watch them praise some sophomoric slop that takes itself way too seriously with heinous gameplay because "MUH ART"
>>733537212>This used to be considered an abominationBy people who had never played it.
>>733537212FF16 is thrice as good though.
why hasn't any game figured out how to implement a job system that allows you to switch jobs and not be useless as shit while you level new jobs up
>>733540368I just wish the character appearance changed outside of battle due but alas.
>>733540728Thrice as good at being worthless dogshit.
>>733540546>it was annoying to see x-play immediately poopoo any JRPG because EWWW JAPAN ICKY SO STOOPIDShow 11 examples where this happened. There are 11 examples of the exact opposite in this very thread, so at the minimum you need the same amount to prove your point.What you're describing never happened because X-Play roasted games that sucked regardless of the country of origin.
>>733541186>baten kaitos origins is a 3/5 game>twisted metal head on is a 4/5 game
>>733537212People always said the gameplay was good
>>733540114They had Dragonball and Naruto fan fuming
>>733541186>World of Warcraft cataclysm is a 5/5>Disney's Epic Mickey is a 5/5>shadow complex is a 5/5>boom blox party bash is a 5/5>Dragon quest 5 is a 4/5(so about as good as 50 cent blood on the sand or Too Human)
idc about the reviews yuna is hot af
>>733542003>reading comprehensionStill waiting on 11 examples of JAPANESE-STYLE ROLE PLAYING GAMES where X-Play unfairly scored them poorly because "ew, Japan BAD".Should be really simple. There are comprehensive archives of X-Play videos and reviews easily accessible on the internet right now.
>>733537212Yuna and friends make me rock hard but I'm not seeing what's so good about it beyond that.
>give her a big ass deaglethis alone makes it based
>>733544151Needed to give her a big ass too
>>733541893I never understood why, the games weren't good. Why would you ride or die for shit games? Wouldn't you want good games for your (((eye pee)))?
>>733537212It has the best version of the ATB, it's basically FFXIII but if the gameplay was actually good.
>>733544595I don't like how fast it is. Feels a bit easy too, never need much thought in any fight.
>>733538735>>733543806>>733544132>>733544391Respect women.Lust is not respect.
>>733540001Tried Okami, Katamari Damacy, and Shadow of the Collosus because of these two. Yeah there was a lot of "japan so crazy" but it wasn't malicious. This revisionist history is so bizzare to me.https://youtu.be/2DoP5E81fcQ?si=UcEE138KAWPohQF4
>>73354396811 unfair reviews as listed by me, anon J anonderson in order by date: Metal Gear Acid 3/5Lunar: Dragon Song 2/5Blood will tell 3/5Megaman X command mission 3/5Final Fantasy Origins 3/5Pokemon leaf green 3/5Megaman Battle Network 5 3/5Megaman Battle Network 4 3/5Atelier Iris 2 2/5Ys 6 3/5Metal Saga 3/5>but 3/5 is a fine score3/5 is 6/10 or 60/100>but those games aren't even goodXplay in every instance with every game I've listed gave a considerably lower score than their contemporaries. Kingdom Hearts 2 got a fucking 4/5.>wwwwell what it's not like it deserves a perfect 5/5Yeah, we wouldn't want people thinking KH2 is as good as Epic Mickey. Also bear in mind that Xplay frequently gave out halfpoint scores, so all of these games consciously getting less than a 3.5/5 or 7/10 is retardedBONUSLegend of Heroes 2 2/5LostMagic 2/5FF Dirge of Cerberus 2/5Star Fox Command4/5 are you fucking kidding meHeroes of Mana 2/5Rogue Galaxy 3/5Lair, a literally unplayable game 2/5Warriors Orochi 2/5.hack GU 3 2/5Beautiful Katamari 3/5Final Fantasy Crisis Core 2/5Culdcept Saga 3/5Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World 2/5onechambara bikini samurai squad 1/5(also remember Lair got a 2/5)The last story 3/5In EVERY case, they are FAR lower review scores than the contemporaries
>>733545002Anon, that's a list of mediocre and bad games. Why are you upset that they received scores in accordance with their quality?
>>733545002I mean I cant play Lair but like there are people on the internet that have finished it. "Skill issue".
>>733545075Sorry anon, I already said you'd say that, they reviewed all of the lower scoring Jap games far below their contemporaries
>>733537212Beat off so much to Rikku I got carpal tunnel
>>733545165It's difficult to take your list seriously when you've included Lunar: Dragon Song as a game you think was reviewed unfairly low, when everyone will agree that 2/5 is unfairly generous for such a terrible pile of slush.
>>733545260Its metacritic is 59.Xplay gave it a 40
>>733545363Wrong pic, that's for advance wars, which averages 87 but xplay Gave it 80
>>733544742It has a shitload of side quests and makes it harder to tell where to go. If you do all that shit, you'll level up enough to make it easy. If you're trying to get through it faster, it's hard.
>>733538684the writing is beyond cringe and the story is borderline non existent. But nice attempt at rewriting history, larper.
>>733545421And yet, when we go to the game that improved upon Advance Wars in every conceivable way... Look at that, it got a 5/5.X-Play reviewed games fairly and didn't have the anti-Japanese bias that people have invented in the past some years to try and smear them. There are better angles to take if you want to paint X-Play in a bad light, but this isn't one of them.
>>733545546And while we're at it, they were kind enough to give the most overlooked and tragically flawed entry in the series a 4/5 for its trouble.
>>733544391she has a nice ass
>>733545546You asked for 11 examples, I gave you far more, now you're cherrypicking one example of a decently fair score given their dogshit track record as the rule. Resistence 2 is a 5/5? NBA 2k12 is 5/5 and better than every game previously listed? Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow 5/5......
I remember hating songstress but then realized it was busted as fuck after getting a couple skills
>>733545708I'm still failing to understand how any of that is meant to prove that X-Play were biased against Japanese video games.What I'm seeing is that they reviewed good games positively, mediocre games with average scores, and gave crappy games the low scores they deserved.
>>733546068>6/10s for 90% of JRPGs is completely fairYou're delusional
>>733545186>>733545669See >>733544751>>733546172Lets be nice now.
>playing a game with three foids as the main characters Yeah it was a let down
>>733546068Watch their Beatmania IIDX review calling it a guitar hero clone even though Konami was first to market with the guitar rhythm game
>>733545669Does anyone else remember the fat version of this image?
>>733547079Beatmania has always been mediocre and only viewed as "good" by an extremely cloistered demographic. 2/5 is a completely reasonable score for one of the worst releases of Beatmania which utterly failed to represent the series or what it stood for, particularly to its core fanbase. They were 100% right to compare it to better, more popular, more easily accessible and more culturally relevant games like Guitar Hero.No one who liked Beatmania was buying that western sludge release because they were too busy grinding Happy Sky and waiting on their import copy of DistorteD to show up.
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>>733546172Xplay didnt give scores out of 10 though
>>733539642The claim in the OP pointed out that the game was considered bad, the post proves it wasn't. If the game was good or not wasn't the claim but you can try and move the goalpost again.
>>733547445sovl
>>733547572>anon doesn't know how fractions work>>733547396https://youtu.be/uOvj1DGwu5A?si=beXlPgJcFtpqwsc-
>>733546068Xplay pushed hard against japanese games for the same reason they hated ww1 fps game. The markets were flooded with them at the time. They did hundreds of episodes, the same thing will wear on you even if its good.
>>7335476705 point scale doesnt translate to the 10 point scale. IGN ruined it by giving mostly over 5 points for everything. 3/5 and 6/10 are the same in math but in this situation they mean different things.
>>733545002You raped that guy and now I'm curious. Who are these X play whatever? are they e celebs? why should anyone care about their opinion on jrpgs and why someone think is a good idea to defend them like if they get paid to do so?
>>733547824You're right because 3/5 is a middle score, meaning it'd really lower. A 3/5 is a 5/10 because there are an even amount on either side, which tracks considering how vicious and retarded xplay was to most japanese games
>>733547874Retards have to act like they dont know the world, makes any discussion impossible.
It's problem is X-2 is a game sized epilogue. The stakes are nowhere near as high.
>>733547874Xplay was a show on G4(formerly TechTV(formerly something else)) they were basically the only cable TV show that reviewed and talked about games which made them special in the era of the early internet where all other reviews were highly retarded 10 year olds
>>733547909You ever just play a game to see if you like it. Sounds like you value others opinions more than your own.
>>733547952Agreed. "Tidus" not being Tidus and Yuna needing to move on and let go would have been kino if it wasn't tied to a 30-100 hour sequel game.
>>733547952The real problem is that the ENTIRETY of X-2 became invalidated when Tidus kicked a landmine and blew his head off.
>>733548016Its because I've played most of these games that I feel the need to stick up for them>huahua why do you care so much what other people thinkWhy do you care about me caring about what other people think and by extension why do you care what I think?
>>733547952The problem is the stakes were too high and the plot became about a world-destroying robot and it started taking itself too seriously instead of being a dumb lighthearted sequel
>>733548079Say this with me."""""""X-3"""""" IS NOT C A N O N
>>733548120You posted it on a public forum, i thought you wanted a public opinion
>>733548238Yikes bud, maybe you should like, not care so much...
>>733547976thats oddily specific. but thanks for clarification. i've heard there was a bias against japanese games at some point but considering kojimbo's fame i wouldn't say it was mainstream.>>733547941nah not pretending. this thing was specific part of internet lore.
>>733548267Also you forgot how hostile old internet was to any anime. Thats the reason theres a 4chan at all. Being angry that people in the past hated jap stuff gets you no where.
>>733539162Nah,Plenty of people hated it but that's just a genuine case of people being turned of by the paint (that went against the then Zeitgeist) to appreciate what it did mechanically. People who gave it a shot and liked it were either Gay,Women or CampChads. THEN years of bad games made people revisit and realize "Wait, this actually has some merits!", especially once when hit the Transacceptance era and said paint suddenly got more appreciated for MYSTERIOUS reasons.Keep in mind it still sold enough for Platinum/Greatest Hits, so it wasn't a flop or anything, more looked at with derision by plenty of loud people online, i think it took until 13 releasing that people genuinely accepted the "Gameplay makes up for the Cringe" argument when discussing what FFs were good and which ones were bad.
>>733548338These yuppy sanfran types hate japan, and sometimes rightfully so, gay coomer fa service deserves to be shamed, but you can't discount the entire genre or the entire country on anime tropes. Kojima always got a pass because all of his games are basically >japanese man: FUCK I LOVE AMERICAN ACTION MOVIES
>>733548397The reason there's a 4chan was because Lowtax didn't want loli pedophiles on his forum so m00t made a new home for it
>>733548338Kojima copied western movies and MGS 1 had such a translated script most people didnt even think it was a japan game.
>>733548486Seeing what later was on SA i say Lowtax picked the wrong horse.
>>733548338>i've heard there was a bias against japanese games at some point but considering kojimbo's fame i wouldn't say it was mainstream.It was common to hate Japanese media in general back then. We need to go back.
>>733538038Yeah, critics praised the hell out of it. Meanwhile, everyone else laughed at it and called it a piece of shit dress up game.
>>733540001I will never hate them because they gave final fantasy xii a 5/5
>>733544391No Ja'rell Pablo. She had a nice, tight athletic ass. The kind that is actually pleasant to look at.
>>733544782>Yeah there was a lot of "japan so crazy" but it wasn't malicious.Saying "we bombed Japan and made them a real country" is pretty malicious.
>>733538038>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G-uE1Ogv983,174 viewshttps://www.gamespot.com/reviews/final-fantasy-x-2-review/1900-6083743/>Updated: Nov 24, 2018 2:54am GMT+1SUS
>>733549396I read Ja'rell and all I can think of is a thugged out version of Superman's dad, Jor-El.
