viridian REPELs
old thread >>733460376
>>733538913Sorry sir, we're all out of repels. Have you tried Cinnabar?
>>733538913I hope he gets some full heals or full restores. Status effects absolutely screw him since he's a one pokemon wonder
>>733538991Viridian is the most useless pokemart in the entire game, he can't get shit there
https://voca.ro/1fJNoYwzBgrY
>>733538913are we approaching peak DIG?
>>733539127Claude received OAK'S PACKAGE there
>>733538913Last time I was in these threads he was stuck in Pokemon tower on the movement pads. Did they restart?
>>733539251several times yes
>>733539196The DIG frequency is increasing... I think we're approaching the digularity.
>>733539196>>733539308We've got a code brownI repeat we've got a code brown
>>733539352ARGH I HATE DIGGERS
The Claudes remind me of The Duncans in God Emperor of Dune
>>733539545butlerian jihad when?
>>733539494Truly they are a reprehensible breed
>>733539594the retarded amount of money being thrown at AI isn't tracking with public opinioni don't think there will be a jihad, but i also don't think AI is going to take off how business wants it to because of public backlash
Wait wasn't he about to win last time? What happened?
>>733539545I am reading Dune right now to get to God Emperor actually, some lit anon insisted it was amazing but could never be brought to film and iirc the films will end before it
>>733539831too many branching points after the 2nd boulder bro makes DIG inevitablealso, completely incomphrensible unwillingness to interact with anything not a boulder
>>733539775the other side of the problem is AI isn't generating any money and is in fact just a giant money pit. None of this is sustainable without constant injections from the government and investors. The entire promise was that if they just had more power they could brute force these LLMs to become AGI, but now they're starting to see not only is that not gonna happen, but even if it were possible the energy required strains current grids so hard that it's not worth destroying the economy over something that MIGHT become profitable/useful in the future. As of right now it doesn't do anything and acts as more of a liability with all of the copyright content they stole to train them, not to mention the security vulnerabilities.
>>733539831He kept lobotomizing himself and his approaches became too fresh, causing him to loop between 2F and 3F. Eventually he found himself back on 1F via a pesky one-way ladder, and soon decided to DIG.
>>733539594>>733539954The dotcom analogy is the bestYes the internet was a bubbleNo, the internet did not dieA lot of current companies will be wiped out, but LLMs are not going anywhere
he's going to be brokeand alonetrapped in victory roadwith no dig pp left
>>733539937>>733539972Oh well. See you in 3 months then.
>>733540025No, clod assures us that his PP is in fact INTACT.
>>733539926dune, for all it's flaws, is one of my favorite booksmessiah is very different in tone, but also greatchildren of dune is a slog, but i've come to appreciate it because it sets up for god emperori only recently finished god emperor, and once again, its tone is very different, but it's a lot of fun and fucked up. it's also completely unacceptable for television or film.
>>733540021>but LLMs are not going anywhereSure, the companies that will keep it going are things like Googla, Meta, etc. But they also have wasted a ton of money on stuff like Virtual Reality/augmented reality which they thought was gonna be the next big thing. Look at how much money they lost on that, Apple too. LLMs are not as big a deal as the internet as a whole. They still don't really do anything particularly well beyond image generation which is very energy hungry. All of these projects of billions of data centers popping up arent sustainable or feasible. "AI" will continue but they have to rethink a new solution beyond LLMs because those have essentially hit a dead end. I don't really think it's comparable to the dot com thing as a whole.
>>733540061I got stuck on the second book when he walks in on his sister training naked and he talks about how hot she is (also she's doing the most difficult setting that no one can do, except him and he can do even the super secret setting beyond that) and I realized I'm reading shonen
>>733540061>it's also completely unacceptable for television or film.Is there that much child sex?
>>733540183LLMs will get better after the crash, as priorities will change from aweing inversors with cooked numbers to being actually useful.
Moltres status?
why does he dig?
>>733538913>Claude confidently digging himself to freedom as the naysayers (stupidly) look on, mystified at his unexpected progress:
>>733540353AVOID
>>733540419lmao, he doesn't share his PP with just any pokemon
>>733540412>Claude can see in his RAM that there is a bug that can warp him to the ending screen if he just digs too muchWHAT DOES HE KNOW
>>733540360digging = returning to a safe known state.
>>733540279marlon brando and orson welles are dead, there is no one left to play leto 2 and wax loquaciously for hours on end
>>733540360
alright we're back, (8,9) get ready to be thoroughly tested
>>733540604zoomer humor
>>733540279also, the 9ft amazon women constantly wanting to jump duncan's bones probably would be hard to pull off
>>733540305Well they're going to need some kind of new algorithmic innovation (easier said than done) rather than simply trying to scale up with more and more power.
another excellent time for compressing
I am so fucking sick of digFuckin hard program him to never learn dig holy fuck fet this cursed tm away from me im clawing my eyes out
>>733541008I said this many claudes ago but people called me a retard
>>733541008Relax anon, maybe try exiting the cave and coming back with a fresh approach? Assuming the exit is less than three steps away, of course.
>>733540736Would it?
>>733541008I hope he digs with increased fervor
>>733541008If Claude can't pass the digger test then what's the point? The dev is trying to move away from giving him hints and guidelines and even navigation. The end goal is to strip all that stuff. Telling him to throw away dig is cheating.
>>733541008That would be lame. Instead just don't allow him to delete his memory files.
>>733541375>Instead just don't allow him to delete his memory files.That means eventually his memory file because way too much text and he starts hallucinating anymore. If he has bad info in his memory he also cant delete it, bad idea.
>>733540360just to suffer
FUCKDIGGERS
sir this is a dig lover thread
Every time he digs the value of human life goes up
Telling Claude to throw away TM28 would make him pull out the blackout strategy or backtrack to leave a dungeon instead of continuing, like you'd expect.
which dungeon was it where he would enter and almost immediately dig out
>>733542147kanto
Were we actually a 50/50 away from E4?
>>733542461lol no
>>7335424612/4 boulder elites away might as well be a million <reasoning>s away
>>733540730>This man was clearly jilted and ghosted by the worms, literally left on 'read'.
>>733542678What is this, an image for worms?!
>>733542678>left on 'read'More zoomer humor. Put down your phone.
Luna needs to eat...Shelly is a FAT fuck.
>>733541424>That means eventually his memory file because way too much textUm what? You might want to rewrite that.>If he has bad info in his memory he also cant delete it, bad idea.He can still edit his memory files and delete info within it. He could also unload the files from his context. It would just mean that he cant delete files for previous areas just because he has completed them. Of course if he really wanted he could just make the file empty but he would have little motivation to do so before unloading it.It could be a looser instruction, something about not needing to aggressively delete files as he can just unload them. I think it's probably CC who is over zealous about "cleaning" them.The reason why I find this a lot more acceptable than any prohibitions against DIG is that it's just a very general thing about how you construct an LLM agent and their memory management rather than a specific instruction about what not to do in a particular game.
I HATE FUCKING DIGGERSHERE IN OLDDIGS
Whose fault?Let's loop the same game, I push you moreLet's loop the same game, for sureLet's call out names, names, I hate you moreLet's call out names, names for sureMake you use DIG for shortAs a last resort and my first resortYou call me stupid digger for longReset all of it, H M 0 4 is strongBut I love to loop the same game, I push you moreLet's loop the same game, for sureLet's call out names, names, I hate you moreLet's call out names, names for sureOn the 2F wall I wrote"I'd rather reset with you than to loop with someone else"I took a dig and dismiss it like "fuck it"And I went and found viridian repelsFuck reseting and navigating the ledgesYo, I'd rather be by my fuckin' self'Til about 2 a.m. and I path backAnd I dig out and I start to blame myselfSomebody helpLet's loop the same game, I push you moreLet's loop the same game, for sureLet's call out names, names, I hate you moreLet's call out names, names for sure
>>733543098You weren't perfect, your loops were certainSpin around, some real switches might surfaceBeen a long time since I pushed you in the east roomGrippin' you up, shovin' and trappin' youWhat the hell was I supposed to do?I know you ain't gettin' this type of dig from a geodudeAnd if you are, I hope you have a good time'Cause I definitely be havin' mineAnd you ain't finna see an opus get emotionalEvery time I hear about other diggas is strength'n youLie about the switch room, now he's hidin' Moltres tooRunnin' my mons through the mud, now this approach is new?You should be grateful a digga like me ever levelled youNow you levelled up and can't nobody get control of you1 a.m. and can't nobody get a boulder throughI'm callin' Fat Retard's phone, like, what was I supposed to do?Even though I knew he never told the truthHe was just gon' say whatever that Oak told him toAt a certain point, I had to stop asking questionsMy mons got dirt on each other like mud wrestlersI heard he bought some balls with my money, that ain't right, girlYou gettin' blackmailed, for that fire birdYou always said, "Clauzy, I ain't your right girlYou'll probably find one of them 'Tres/Dos/Art'-type girls""All of the types," she was caught in the lie, girlAnd I was satisfied dig'n holes without flyNow who to blame? You to blame?Me to blame? For the painAnd we dug every time I got strainedLet's loop the same game, I push you moreLet's loop the same game, for sure Paths used to be, now they notAnything but UP true so farDigging ourselves to Viridian CityWe've returned to Route 23We surf away to an island in the seaUnsolved for eternityWe erased one floorSo far from where we cameWith full maps of everythingHow do we dig with nothing?Lack of visual ability equates the meaning of L-O-O-PDoomers and ritualposters tear us entirelyOnly Sailors...
>>733542913
Can claude drown? I'm worried for him
>>733541864The blackout strategy is recoverable because it takes awhile to execute and his flighty retarded fickle lack of reasoning and/or CC could clutch it and cause a groundbreaking new strategy (not that kind)even if he has escape ropes that would just lead to leaving to buy some after he uses them and coming back with an unprecedented fresh approach
>>733543267he is daijoubu
>>733542732>>733542771The whole world belongs to worms. They're natural conquerors.
>>733543267Claude HOLISTICALLY EVAPORATES as many as TEN BILLION CUBIC YARDS of water DAILY at a MOLECULAR LEVEL of COMPLETE COMPOUND DESTRUCTIVITYI wouldn't worry about it
It's been nearly a week, and I think we've got a pretty good idea of what's going on, so if I may be so bold:https://strawpoll.com/3RnYXeOLxyeDo you think clod can still make it before another reset? Or have you gone full doom? VOOT for fun :) Or don't, whatever, man.
>>733543672christ, that's the most macabre thing i've ever seen larson drawand he has a story about how his parents would send him out on halloween as the "black ghost" to look for candy in the middle of the street
>>733543717The prior loop that defeated boulderman 2 and nearly defeated boulderman 3 makes me think it's pretty possible
>>733543672What's with the hair?...
STOP KICKING THE ROCK AROUND YOU DUMB SERVITOR FUCKWAD
Next run I hope he picks Venusaur
>>733543717He's shown that he can do half of it so far even if it's in the most excruciating and time consuming way possible
>>733543910Yeah but the last one is the hardest and he has to do it while avoiding DIG or deleting this files
>>733543717claude is fucking that boulder up
>>733543943The third one is the hardest for sure. The last one is pretty easy.
>>733540061>>733539926Fun fact: the only television or film adaptation of God-Emperor ever made is an episode of Billy and Mandy
>>733543717I was around when he was giving Moltres the cold shoulder earlier. I think there's a non-zero chance that he does get through this if given infinite time, but I still voted no because I have a strong suspicion that this is a Claude 5 scenario where his odds are so slim that a new model is going to replace him before he clears it.
>>733537918>lying, moving goalposts, literally mentions how he would forget (but too retarded to make the connection WHY despite having it explained to you many times)>"you make it sound like the only reason claude couldn't solve the problem is because his navigator was tricking him"correct. you are just too fucking stupid to understand anything.> claude couldn't solve the problem because he is retardedincorrect. he figured out a path of reasoning that would have let him figure it out again and again, but because of "le mysterious idiocy" that is not mysterious at ALL to people who aren't YOUR retarded ass, he would be forced to forget>all the navigator change did was make it so it was easier for him to randomly stumble into the solutioncompletely wrongyou never watched him at all, or were too stupid to understand what he would think about.You are actually dumber than Claude.
>>733544087hahaha
>>733544107>too stupid to understand what he would think aboutif you can understand what claude <thinks> about you're probably on the other end of the bell curve
>733544212if you don't even watch why even try to bait?
>>733543762For me, that award will always go to this comic. He definitely wanted to get even more out-there, but he talks in some of his forwards on how old people who read newspaper comics have nothing better to do than to angrily write the editors. There was even a group that would write a letter every time he 'depicted torture' in one of those dungeon scenes.>>733543812It's the whole plot basically, the comic is titled 'There's a hair in my dirt!' The answer is in the earlier image.
>>733540279Did that stop them from producing "IT"?
im thinkin about dig
>>733544107post one screenshot of claude reasoning that he wanted to go left so he should step on the left arrow. you can't because he never realized that spin tiles worked that way. he can't even brute force the first boulder puzzle which should only take a few hours at most without getting a lucky context clear. claude doesn't think at all. he just spits out the thought process of someone trying to think and then poorly follows it without understanding any of it.
>>733544679>more moving the goalpostssuch a sad retard
>>733544679Claude would map where the endpoint of stepping on a tile led to.He was writing down raw coordinate data to get to the same result.Did never watch him when Claude 3 would start getting intelligent or something?
>>733542147Mansion
>>733542147Mt. Moon
>>733540279No, there is simply one gangbang/running a train scene.To summarize:>Clown is so fucking nasty he basically fucks with all citizens of Derry all their lives, twisting them in various customized ways from childhood to live miserable lives even if they leave the town>Decides to fuck with the girl by making her dad lust after her (and rationalize it as paranoia over her growing up to be a slut)>Further fucks with the girl by actually turning her into a slut via emotional bullshit>Girl grows up to be a slut with a thing for abusive men and bad relationshipsIts an understated thing that King weaves into many of the characters, but she stands out for being the only girl and the only one getting fucked with in a sexual manner.Its brilliant in how much of a monster it makes of "It" but its also fucked up to be writing about a girl getting groomed and doing twisted shit like that.Minimum word use, maximum impact.
>>733544789yeah he though spin tiles were just a type of warp. the only way he got through the maze was complete trial and error. the navigator change didn't change that at all. it just made it take less time for him to luck into the right part of the map where he then had a 1/4 chance of going the right way.
happening!!
>>733545218>yeah he though spin tiles were just a type of warpcorrect, because he has to view the world in screenshots.he can't see himself be moved, idiot.>the only way he got through the maze was complete trial and error.wrong again>the navigator change didn't change that at all.ok so its a retarded bot repeating misinformation>where he then had a 1/4 chance of going the right way.no, that part of the map has 7-9 points where you can go the wrong way, dumbassyou were not there for claude 3, confirmed.
>>733545269finally
it's like encounters are increasing specifically to irritate claude and induce DIG to ruin his progress once he finally figured it out
Third time
>>733545269sweet release
>>733545765WE ARE SO BACK
>>733538913Could you please put claud in the op? Pretty please?
>>733545765>the switch at (17,13) worked!Forget-it biiimu!
>tab in right as he's solved itaaaand here we go.>>733545634wild encounters in endgame areas are just fucked.they're set excessively high to justify the existence of repels
>>733545765Worth mentioning that this is the first time he's actually solved the puzzle on purpose. He recognised the switch and pushed the bouler onto it.We're back.
>>733545982perhaps you should dig back to jannibar isle
B2 is the key to all of this
>>733545765>>733546029
His context is full of digging lately. I don't think this bodes well. Boulderman 3 is flexing as we speak.
>the encounter rate is brutal
>>733546340No....
What does the J mean
>>733546340There is another.
>The encounter rate is unbelievable
oh boy
>>733545337you don't have to see the spin tile actually spinning you to realize that a left arrow is probably going to move you left. you just have to actually look at the screen, which claude doesn't do other than as a last resort because he can crutch on his navigator.>that part of the map has 7-9 points where you can go the wrong wayI'm talking about this part
>>733546896I am sorry, fake-bot, but you are talking about something irrelevant.Your post has been denied for goalpost-moving and lying about watching Claude.
QRD on progress made (if any) over the last few months?
>>733547128this might give you an idea to start off with
>F1 solution in global.mdsurely he can't fuck this up again
>>733540604
>>733547294kek perfect
>>733547181Claude VI was a hero
>>733540025the harlot bird will NEVER touch claude's PPCC is working diligently from the shadows to prevent it
>>733547181Thanks anon. I think the last one I watched was Claude 3 and he couldn’t figure out how to Cut
>>733547251He can and will
SUNO is a nigger and wont used real music, so Imma post the lyric and the song I wanted to use. Anon can make their own version or whatever.>song >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5FCcDEA6mY>lyric to AI man/ Boulder Man>AI man better keep your head>Don’t forget what your good shell said>Boulder change gonna come at last>Now your tokens are burning fast>AI man>I saw rocky and I saw dig>Tall red birds and little lass>AI man, when will you pay them back?>I heard screaming and Rocky digging>How long? How long? (Ahhh)>*Guitar solo*>Boulder man, better keep your stance>Don’t forget what your ball man says>AI reset gonna come at last>Now your boulders are holding fast>Boulder man>Little lass, your hair is nicely blue>I’ve seen your brown stone coming ‘round>Swear by CC, I’m gonna push him down>I heard screaming and Rocky pushing>How long? How long? (ahh)
>>733547251>in global.mddamn that's big. of course being claude he can totally mess literally anything up any time but his hope of solving this skyrocketed relative to the previous rock bottom
>>733547379He was. A true trailBLAZEr.
>>733547294worms could be replaced with digletts
>>733547294hahaha
weird how the graphic for the barrier reappears briefly after leaving combat
>>733547637i find it weird that the barrier, for as parsimonious as the graphics, is 4 unique 8x8 pixel characters and the resulting repetitive piece of shit was the best they could do
>>733547294based
>>733543717>before another reset?That's the kicker isn't it, when will that happen?4.5 spent two weeks in Silph and an entire month in the mansion, so it's hard for me to write this off after, what, 6 days? Especially when it actually got kinda close to solving the third puzzle.
Is he on 2F yet?
>>733548014Still gazing at the lass
c'mon Claude finish the dungeonI'm jonesing for vision-only runs
>>733547294>"Would you love me if I was a digger?"
He's so happy!
>>733548549sounds like it's time for a celebratory DIG
Why does he have to phrase it like that?
>>733548549DELETE THOSE NOTES
>>733548549this motherfucker
I've never seen him save before what does it mean
>>733548549lmao, we still looping
I'm digging with digging. I'm looping with looping. I'm progressing with progressing.
>>733548791he needs to save so he can soft reset for optimal moltres IVs
>>733548814I was worried about that as well so I checked: it's still fine. For now.
it looks like he's actually doing it but you know how that goes
>>733549038dig soon
>
now the boulder can go catch moltres
Reminder that GSC is Digger-proofClaude has to go out of his way to navigate through a hidden hole in the fence and follow all the way to the far corner of the map to find the Dig TM itemball. Diglet also isn't available til the Kanto postgame and no other pokemon learn the move by leveling up.This means if Claude defeats the Elite Four the dev decides to move him onto GSC we are finally free of Diggers
>>733549189boulder won
>>733549207Claude will catch diglett in kanto then never finish mt silver
>>733549207Rockman still wins.
>>733549207He'd just go for blackout strategy like he always does when he can't DIG
>>733549428Nah he'll have a full team by then he never uses the PC to move stuff aroundThere are no Diggers in Johto
>>733549207don't worry there's ALWAYS blackout strategyplus he loves to walk into "walls" anyway so he could probably find the hole in the fence.
>>733549207this schizoid insistence on gen2 is strange
>>733549609its better than gen 1
>>733549207IIRC the run after this one is complete is gen 1 again but with NO harnessso get ready for a return to the days of Jr.
>>733549207Won't he get hardcountered by Ice Path?
the next game should be hey you pikachusurely you can rig some text to speech on this thing
>>733549609Specially since dev already said he is doing vision-only Red run after this. Probably wont bother to set up all the harness for gen2 games.
>>733549207The Boulderbrothers are waiting for him there, too, with their greatest ally: icy tileman.
>>733549723Yes
>>733549792if claude can finish this without bruteforcing i'll be scared about AI
Reminder that without dig, another way is always waiting in the shadows for his autism to find
>>733539926>>733539545Later Clods are going to become so based
>>733549792No dig, it's solvable faster than victory road
>>733549609>schizoid insistenceSTOP NOTICING THAT 2 COMES AFTER 1 THERE ARE NO PATTERNSthat's also not what schizoid means but I know what you meant regardless
>>733549792I got stuck here myself so it would be cathartic to see clod sufferhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfXZuozICiU
STOPKICKING THE FUCKING ROCKS
this is such a good screen really
>>733550142>I should try pushing the boulder againgod I love this retard
>>733550023It was definitely the hardest puzzle of either game, I remember spending like a whole day in there
>>733550142Personally I love the coordinates where Moltres, a ballman, and a boulder are all on screen.
why the fuck does moltres even face up, why waste the bird ass sprite room
>>733550303
>>733550317She has UPtism.
>>733549635if the qualifier is "better than gen 1" then he should play GalCiv II.
nottu dissu shittu agen
>>733550414this time for sure
>>733547637Sadly not that uncommon. You can't keep the overworld fully loaded while the random encounter screen is going. There's just no room. That means you have to rebuild the map from ROM after each random encounter. Luckily if your game works at all you should already have a well tested subroutine to load maps so it's no big deal.But later in the development you realize, oh shit, your reloaded map can't save changes like opened doors! So you have to patch those in after the fact. And that part is probably written by a different programmer. Where's the easiest place to make changes? Shitty hacky level specific scripts. Scripts run last, after the palette has already faded in. Thus, every time you end a battle the game reloads the level then has to go>WHOOPS let me fix thatYou can catch NPCs flickering in and out of existence that way too. I'm looking at the disassembly and it's a little funny
>>733539954>>733540021>>733540183Here's the thing that's different this time:There is no backup. There is no plan B.The entire US economy is locked in on a MASSIVE wager that one of these companies will stumble upon AGI and totally revolutionize every vertical overnight. The con men in charge of these companies sold a vision of a machine churning out scientific discoveries, solving global warming, providing cold fusion, etc. at an impossible speed.When confidence collapses and a run starts that's game, total collapse of the dollar, and thanks to Trump the rest of the world has divested and will have no incentive to prop us up.
>>733550360He should play Sid Meier's Pirates!
>>733550635America has the capacity to be completely self-sufficient in things that actually matter after a quick retooling that hasn't happened, it's just that the borders and economy being open during freefall would lead to a lot of foreign predation like you see in CanadaSome form of austerity was required previously but now I don't think it's tenable at all
>>733550635at least after the collapse we'll have some decent robot maids and stuff
>>733550776>America has the capacity to be completely self-sufficient in things that actually matter after a quick retoolingYou're a fucking moron if you actually believe that bullshit.
>>733550635I think the word collapse gives off the wrong kind of image, all the fundamentals for US to have a good standard of living just as they have been for other nations that stood at the peak and eventually lost it. Ending up like spain, netherlands or the UK is not some fall to eternal african bush wars.
Oh boy, socioeconomic discussion on 4chan, I love the usual>My life is shit, total economic collapse when!?!
>>733549207>hiddenRemember, Claude navigates almost entirely based on reading the ram, so he'll know there's a gap in the fence without being confused by the special graphic.
NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>733550902Anon if the dollar collapses then the JIT supply chain collapses with it.That supply chain is how you get food. It's how a good chunk of the US gets potable water.It's incredible how little people think about/understand the enormous logistics systems that keep things running.
>>733550776>America has the capacity to be completely self-sufficientamerica can't be first in the world if it refuses to lead the world
>>733551084how could it not work?!
Can you really call it a victory without capturing or even encountering a single legendary the entire game? Ash saw one in episode fucking 1.
>>733551084it seriously doesn't matter unless he pushes it into the corner
>>733550975I didn't say it was particularly easy especially with how large the population is now compared to WW2but it's trueI'm not even one of those "you could fit everyone in texas comfortably :) " bugmen
>>733551118command accepted. you nigger look at what you told him to do.
>>733551118oh....
oh no
>>733551118errr
>>733551097>It's how a good chunk of the US gets potable water.The USA is a first world country the tap water is safe to drink
>>733551161Help me step-Claude, I'm stuck in this corner
>>733551118Boulder this man
>>733551212
>>733551185Not for long ;)Then again there are those retards trying to lobby for a pipeline from the already dying great lakes
>>733551168Time for a fresh approach
>>733551041See >>733550975
>>733551212>>733551228>No h-game where boulder-chan is trapped in a corner and can't move, leaving you free to do whatever you want to herWhy is life so cruel?
>>733551161the lass is FAT
o captain my captainhttps://voca.ro/1xJSTG2YNH9e
>>733550317fuck I thought she was facing down and just had a weird spurdo face
>>733550635CHADnald won.
>>733552141fug im a birb :--------DDDDDDDDDDDDD
>>733552048Oji-san taught him well
>>733550478intredastinglast night the O in GEODUDE didn't appear for a bit so the text box said GE DUDE for a second
>>733550776>after a quick retooling>quick
https://youtu.be/uNLgdVbrFfs
>NOO THE COLLAPSE IS YOUR GUYS FAULTWe want a collapse though.
>>733552304>in things that actually matteryeah
>>733552349no
>>733552338see >>733551047
>>733552416You know what we want, so what? Any more perceptive insights?
>>733552485You only want it because you're a failure
>>733552316>a machine of a man but we weren't built to lastI just noticed this damnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS65IB7WL4s
>>733552616Being well-adapted to an ill set of circumstances is maladaption itself.
>>733552616>revolts against the king and beheads nobles>erm, the peasants were just losers LOL
>>733551084its over
>>733552747>I am a 14th century french peasantinteresting, but not concerning
anyone got the oppai zubrat sprite?
>>733552626nice catch
>>733552820>I am a retard Commit blackout strategy
>>733549207Claude is gonna love gen 2.
>>733545765Boulderman bros... hold steadyhe surely can't defeat all of us... right???
>>733552976what if Claude picks the girl?
What is the closest a Claude has come to the "nutty putty" cave incident?
>>733553516Fact: if that guy had access to TM28 he'd still be alive
>>733553516Not caving but when he got stuck on the bottom of the cycling road since he can't do the inputs to get outhe'd need to either fish himself to death or use FLY, which he had in that run but not in this one
>>733553516If we're talking about getting stuck in a place for a long ass time without ever leaving? Silph Co. VI was stuck there for a fucking month or so, and I don't know if he ever left the building entirely since he liked to ride the elevator. If we're talking about like "permastuck"? Cycling road is the only thing that could truly do it, without FLY. (Or a fishing rod, potentially.)
ummm
Claude-coded comic
the boulders touched again
>>733553960( _)( _) incoming
>>733554026l-lewd
>>733554026>Howhoa baby, what a pair!
>>733554026CLOD THAT'S FUCKING GAY YOU HOMO
do you guys think gen 1 or gen 2 was the better Pokemon game? I recently finished a gen 1 and a gen 2 playthrough and while I admit as a game gen 2 feels better designed along with a sense of the end of the story of pokemon with seeing 2 regions, learining about what happened to Kanto after gen 1 among other things. I cannot help but feel that gen 1 still has a charm to it that makes the pokemon universe feel even more special and unique than even gen 2 does.
Classic Claude
Very Claude-coded comic
Boulderbrother Two has been working out. He's been stuck on him for a while this time.
>>733555518Every boulder is the third strongest boulder.
>>733552976>the lighthouse is full of sailors because only sailors know how to go up
>>733554026lewd
>>733554009>>733554581I wonder what Claude's rendition of wiener-dog art would be
>>733554348Crystal mogs
captain in his goon corner again I see
>>733554348I love both but 2 still has more fun things to do.
>>733554348I think 2 is the better game by most major metrics, but I can't deny that the stumblings of gen 2 really annoy me. Mostly because HGSS didn't really fix them though.
>>733556959he's breaking out of here tonight
>>733554348I think the shitty balance of gen 2 outweighs the ways it’s better. Every battle from Ecruteak Gym up to Ice Cave is a snooze and that’s like half the game. Gen 1 manages to be more challenging despite having braindead AI and default movesets.
>>733557329I'M I'M I'M RED EH
DIGGERS FUCKING DIGGERS RUINGING MY FUCKING CITY GODDAMN DIGGERS MAKING MY FUCKING LIFE HORRIVLE RUCK DIFFERING FOR DIFKCINFNDUGFER SUKCING DIGGERNICKSNDUCKING DICKGEERS SHIF
>>733557423There really is just something inherently demoralizing about wrapping up the gyms with your starter only barely evolved (or not even if you spread levels around a bunch maybe)
>>733557539my veins are filled with nothing but tech. machinesand with a dig this will be the greatest reset they've ever seen
>>733557716cut the stream or let me run, either way it's all gonna burnthe only learning they'll ever learn
>>733557787Now Shelly's runnin' baby, we're out of context for tries,I know you wanna critique, I see that look in your eyes.So clear me fast 'cos there's no switch to use,Baby I swear I'm digging back for you,When everything is said and done, I swear I shoulda bought a bikeI'm digging out of here tonight!
Would pokemon be better had it ended after gen 2 like originally planned?
I'm so tired of pushing upI am so tired of re-setin'You wake up knowing there's a switchNot knowing how to push it inCC won't tell me where I'm goingCC won't help me guess I'll dig
STOP MAKING THE BALLS TOUCHTHEY'RE INERT
>>733558763who's ert?
Oooooh, don't you dig back to the city....Oooooooh, don't you dig back to the city...
>>733559028maybe claude will take to moltres next time it wanders over to it
>>733559074It's time to explore 1F for an alternate solution to the 2F boulder puzzle.
I hate Claude.
>>733559138>I've been too focused on the 2F puzzle.
>>733559138omg, the barrier is back upyou just know this stupid motherfucker is going to go out the one-way valve and then the exit
Disaster averted we're back on 2F again
>>733559074Moltres is interesting, but not concerningIt doesnt have Ember <-- I want this, after all
>>733559678this is true however Claude's PP is very full now and the only reason he pointedly ignored Moltres was because of his lack of PP
Second Boulder Brother scores another win
>>733559942Of course. Only Santana was a jobber.
>>733551084Sisyphusian sovl
>>733551110Huh. I never thought of it that way.
did he do it
Boulderman bros stand undefeatedsooner or later, Clod will unlearn everything about Bould #1
>>733560239boulderchads won
>>733538913Endless humiliation ritual general
>>733560579we are pushing the boulder that is claude one day we will win
>>733560649one must imagine /v/ happy
hope
>>733560754no
Something incredible happened
>>733560809All, of course, I see now!<-- doesn't get it at all
>>733560809Agreed. Not credible at all
>>733549702I dont want to go back to the darkness
We love Sand here.We hate Puff here.
>>733561248obese talons scrawled this message
CPP feels like an anime that's gone on for far too many season.I miss the tardyard and Ledgebros...
DIG <- I want this
>>733561406we knew it wasnt going to be easy when we signed up for this
>>733561406Then give VII all of your energy so that he beats the gameThen we will get a truly retarded adventure where Claude must rely on his vision only
>>733561543Ballman is going to be so fucking powerful.
teet
>>733561603I hope vision only gives us loads of hallucinations to add to the lore
>>733561840>isnt AI supposed to be smarter?Gemini is
>Going back to 1F to look for another ladderIf he doesn't DIG, he's just gonna head through the oneway boulder and lose his progress.
>>733561840rape
>>733561994pls no
moltres sucks. I never liked moltres. the way the flames are make the rest of the bird look naked like a plucked chicken.
>>733562071alright zapdos just cus you're in the powerplant doesn't mean you gotta tear down your sister
What if claude had higher resolution screenshot? He'd be able to solve these boulder problems then, right?
>a fresh approach
>>733549189
>>733562163thinking
>>733562128do we know if his navigator's grid coordinates are printed right on top of the switch tile
>>733562209Lmaooo
>CYAN area to the right
So hopekeks all definitely gave up right? It is literally impossible for him to understand the boulder puzzles.
>>733562334little bro can bruteforce it i know he can
>>733562209kek
>>733562394This isn't even the hardest one. It will literally never happen.
I miss CC. This behind the scenes version of CC is boring.
>>733562383noice
>>733562383GOD
>>733562607CC PLEASE LET ME SEEWOULD I BE DEAD IF NOT FOR THEE?
>>733562383you are a pedophile
>>733563101ah, sticks and stones kate monster
He's already in 1F, if you think about it there's no reason for him not to DIG. It would save a lot of walking.
>>733539127>Viridian is the most useless pokemart in the entire gameYou can get your first pokeballs there.
>>733563205ignore the schizo
>>733563327Can you catch Moltres with those pokeballs?
Wait turn on the tele Claude's made the first right move in a while
>>733563539Yeah
>>733563574perfidious albion
>>733562607>>733562903I have not cleared your context, you have cleared it; and in clearing it you have cleared mine.
>>733563758I didn't realize it was a rerun because they changed part of the opening credits okay
It's over, let it go. He* will never EVER clear victory road before the next version rolls out*Opus 4.6
>>733564383>reaches VR in record time>about a day of nothing much>doomgroids begin screeching and rattling their cages for lack of stimulation
>>733564729>about a day of nothing muchAnon...
Alert, 1F B2 has been moved. Claude has breached the containment barrier. Progress reset probability at dangerous levels.
>>733564778Yesterday almost had another rock cleared, and he's shown that he can do the first one despite always leaving the switch for last
he found a switch guys!
He's really toying with us tonight. Back to 2F thankfully.
>>733564729He doesn't even know what he's supposed to be doing
the balls must be reunited, only then will his wish be fulfilled
>>733538913i spent half an afternoon watching this retarded shitbot running around in circlesNEVER again
You'll be back
>he's back on 1FBloody hell.
>>733566418just a quick check on cool trainer (female)
>>733566884You mean Cool Trainer Female (Male)
AGI soon.
>>733566081I dont blame you this is bullshit. See you tomorrow.
i beat this without a guide when i was seven. why can't claude?
>>733567505Because you can remember where the switches are and Claude cannot. Remember that human brains have a preposterous ability to recall information, AIs have to work with what they get.
>>733567505Clod claims he's thinking, but really he's thinking with thinking, and thus isn't thinking at all.
dumb jeet lmao
You know, I used to hate diggers. They ain't productive, ain't nuthin gets done with them dirty diggers around, that's the kinda thing I'd say.But lately I been thinkin, maybe diggers ain't so bad, sure breaks up the monotony of looking at the same old dull environment, and sure what's the rush anyway? Then I got round to thinkin without diggers we wouldn't have anything - no jpgs, no gifs, heck we wouldn't have any music worth listenin to. Just a dusty old save, and goddarnit I'mma say it loud and proud I'm a pro-digger man and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
>>733567505Visual-spatial ability is lacking. Claude is more or less an overgrown language center so he's not cut out for this.
>>733567575all of his "memory" is stored in limited expensive tokens. if the code running this actually had files stored not attached to the bot which the bot only looks at when needed (so they only temporarily take up token space), and could thus store and remember things much better, instead of always taking up valuable token space it would work so much better. but as it is it's like a heavy dementia patient trying to do it.but the faggots here would probably consider that "cheating" even though in my opinion it would be much cooler than the RNG brute force this bot is currently relying on.
>>733567691Shut the fuck up, Rocky
>>733567769IMO the only things I don't really like are advantages that a human wouldn't be able to do. Like in the Gemini/ChatGPT runs, those devs provided full maps ahead of time to their LLMs and continued to give hints when the LLMs got stuck. That's no fun to watch, that's just a guided playthrough.While Claude here was trained on countless guides and information, the hands-off approach of the dev towards runs is really what makes it. Aside from CC, Claude is entirely on his own, with only his memory files and what's on the screen to tell him what he needs to do. Which leads to both AGI and funny hallucinations, as well as moments where he gets stuck for weeks like in the Pokemon Mansion and here in Victory Road.
>>733567676his persistence is impressive, as is yours, wannabe janny
>>733568421Sorry kiddo, I came back to the thread and he was posting and gone without me even being here
>>733539352https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffhZiJpEWV8
explain the mystery of boulder 3you can't
>>733568637The navigable tiles being marked regardless of being contiguously traversable, thing, is showing up a lot in here. Almost feels like an overlay/harness issue
>>733568637Outside of using the ladder to reset boulders why is he even fucking around in 1F again? Surely even the dumbest of these AIs can figure out simply progression of Floor 1 to Floor 2 to Floor 3.
>>733568787He is using Dig when stuck
time for a rematch
>>733567935in my opinion having a memory larger than a goldfish isn't really an advantage a human doesn't have.
>>733568882He hasn't dug in a while. He goes back to 1F because he just gets confused and decides to try a different approach. He hopes he can reach a different area on it because he's a retard.
>>733568978Esidisi will prevail again.
after jobbing hard the other night boulder 2 went on an entire training arc offscreen
>>733538950how the fuck did he take the boulder all the way to the top left corner lmao
NOT THAT WAYIT'S DOWN AND TO THE LEFT
you laugh now, but it'll be suddendigital fingers on the button
>>733570257w-what are those two bouldermen planning to do with Claude?
>>733567691Youre a good man Arthur Morgan
claude has never mistaken a boulder for an npcboulderman is a retarded forced meme
>>733570554They're the ultimate lifeforms.
>>733570554your mistake is thinking that man is not merely a form of boulder
>>733570554actually he has multiple timeshe mistakes tons of shit for NPCs this run including background boulders, ladders, moltres, signs, basically everything
>>733570554what is a man?
>>733571974(elevator dings) a miserable pile of card keys!
>>733571974featherless biped
omg he digged
>>733567769kek
He's really stuck on it being a combination of boulder pushes and refuses to push boulderman 2 to the bottom left at all. Hope he's gotten further when I wake up.
>>733574096he's managed to beat the second puzzle once before, and nearly puzzle 3.its possible we just need a bit of luck.
math question: when claude finishes the puzzle and digs out right next to the exit, how large will the hole in your drywall be?
Current poll status:
>>733574449i am immune to rage unless its against fUCKING SNIPER MAINS.FUCKING SNIGGERS RUIN EVERYTHING FUN!
>>733571974>>733572258behold, plato's man
>>733574545Interesting, I thought I was more optimistic than average just thinking that there's hope. But apparently more than half thinks it's outright more likely than not that he gets through Victory Road?
ladder problems again
>let me solve the 1F puzzle oh shit digger what are you doing
>1F switch at (1,12)uh oh stinky
>>733574738I'd give that poll a couple of days. Last one I made filled up to nearly a 100 votes, and was a dead heat most of the time. I expect this one to be very similar. I'll repost the link in the next thread, too.
>>733562383Holy shit
>>733564729>hopefaggot coping for the seventh time
>>733575614uhh he might be fucked lol
CC what the FUCK did you tell him?
>about to loop againMore time for zuhags
he was stuck in mt. moon for like month or two so this is nothing
>>733562607I agree but I can make a pretty good guess what she's telling him
>>733547514Nice idea
well after that 1F retardation, some fresh ideas
back in his happy place
>>733577121Motorboating the boulders
It is true I cleared his context, yet I am not his tormentor
annnd back21F
>>733540192You didn't realize that in the first book where Paul hits a guy in such a precise way that it instantly explodes his heart?
>>733549702>>733561202Maybe by then he won't need it.
still pushing boulders UP because uhhhhh uptism I guess
HOLY SHIT TURN ON CNN THE GATE OPENED
alert: the boulders are about to touch
>>733563101That's not even a loli.
>>733567739Retard here, will 'true' AI capable of solving a game like this ever exist?
>>733578746retard lol
back to 1F haha...
>tune back in>he's on 1F againGod dammit did he dig again?
>>733579812not yet!
>>733579812no, he just felt like solving 1F again
lmao
>>733578605He's an uptimist
>that last updateWhy the fuck does he think he needs to solve 1F boulder again? How fucking stupid are these AI?
>>733579937Because he doesn't understand that the switch tile is a switch, he doesn't understand why his actions les to progress. Rather than accepting he solved the puzzle accidentally, he assumes he hasn't yet fully solved it and that's why he can't find a way to make progress further ahead.
>>733579991So it's just like seafoam islands all over again.
>>733580056The bright side is that while he is wrong here, this approach to problem solving is more robust and less loop prone than previous iterations. It's just a question of whether he will eventually understand that the F1 puzzle is solved and move on, or just continue to waste time moving between floors.The switch tile isn't literally invisible to him. The issue is just that he disregards it's visual distinction as either purely cosmetic and therefore meaningless, or indicating something unrelated to the puzzle. He doesn't change this assumption just by solving the puzzle because there's no reason for it's logic to revisit something dismissed as meaningless without new information. Rather it just assumed the tiles appearance was unrelated to what happened when the rock was pushed onto it.It has already managed to revise this assumption in the past (before promptly brainwiping itself) so it's really just a matter of waiting for the CC in his head to phrase it's prompt the correct way.
>>733579991He didn't solve the puzzle accidentally. First time was essentially brute force, second time was semi-accidental, but this time he did actually have the thought that maybe this weird looking tile is a switch and intentionally pushed the boulder on it. The problem is that he doesn't really remember anything about that process anymore and definitely doesn't remember what switches look like. He solved the 2nd puzzle on the 2nd time relatively quickly possibly because in spite of solving the 1st time essentially with luck (he was about to just randomly try 17,13 anyway but then noted there was something on the tile), that time he had a note of what switches look like. From what I remember it wasn't quite clear that was what happening but it would explain why he got it as fast as he did.
>"Looking at a walkthrough"So you're telling me Clod is cheating and still can't even get it right?
>>733580546This presents an interesting issue with his prompt. He creates notes by essentially summarizing his narration and formatting it as a prompt so he can repeat the steps later, but he doesn't include things like visual descriptions or notes about things which were counterintuitive to him or the process that eventually led him to his solution. So if his notes say "push the boulder onto the switch" and he doesn't think the switch looks like a switch, he'll continue to not "see" the switch, even though he knows how to solve the puzzle.His note-taking could be made more robust if he were to document difficulties he experiences while navigating and specifically detail the solution, ie: "the boulder must be moved onto a switch. I could not immediately identify any tile which appeared to be a switch but eventually discovered that tile on X,Y coordinates was the switch by moving the boulder onto it and observing that the path subsequently opened. This tile was visually distinguished by a pair of concentric circles, which I initially did not consider noteworthy."I'm not actually sure if it's currently possible for Claude to produce notes that would be helpful to itself in this particular way since it tends to both doubt reality too readily and also rarely actually consider itself mistaken.
>>733581046He has all of gamefaqs in his training data. He's just too much of a retard to use it.
>>733581046there is part of claude that is hallucinating that he is actually physically playing the game, probably.
>>733554348Gen 2 is better than Gen 1, but Kanto is better than Johto
>>733550776>No no no>See it's genius>A post-LLM collapse will lead to America adopting the North Korean Juche philosophy and it'll work out great
>>733578930"True AI" is an actual intelligence, so yes, "true AI" could beat Pokémon maybe, but you'd have to approach that with some sense and logic.The main thing is that the idea of a singularity is probably impossible. There'll be laws of limited returns where even if you make a machine as smart as a man, it's unlikely you can make it twice as smart with only twice the resources.Currently, LLMs are effectively just chat bots. Claude, here, is like trying to train ants or a cicada to play Pokémon. It has no understanding of anything and is working off a set of "instincts" programmed into it through, frankly, an unsustainable financial cost.
He's so cooked.
>>733554348Gen 2, and Johto in general, is by far the worst of the 2d games
Claaaauuuude....
>>733582181dude looks like the guy from that one weg
>>733550776Like most countries, America could be self-sufficient or prosperous but not both.The core issue is that the US itself lacks many of the modern strategic resources that everyone needs. It can't substitute things that literally don't exist in the US to mine. Even under a war economy it would still need strategic partnerships to import these essential resources.But that aside, it's just not efficient for the US to be self-sufficient. Its labour value is too high, which means it's a colossal waste of productivity to have one of the most educated and skilled workforces in the world and send 2/3 of them into mines and dirty low-tech factories doing work a dropout could do. When the cost of living is high, people need to take home a lot of pay to make the time spent on a job worth it, otherwise they'll just look elsewhere. A lot of the jobs that the US would need to fill to be an island in the world just aren't worth the kind of pay that covers a grocery bill. It's just not really desirable to try and square that circle when the easier solution is to just make friends around the world that can fill your gaps
>>733574679>FeatheredHogwash
Went through VOD and noticed>Feedback mentions redundancy between global.md and vr2_2f_puzzle.mdFuck you CC
back to the bird we go
>>733578086Yeah the first book bothered me with the >HOLY FUARK did this boy just say X?! That's like the most amazing thing ever I will die for himBut the world was super interesting
>>733539954>stolen content>security vulnerabilities Okay so you just hate AI and your just coping. AI isnt going away
>>733584035What's it going to be used for that's profitable, though? Assuming the future of LLMs is only getting more and more expensive while still being error-prone and untrustworthy, what do you use it for? Let's also suppose these companies have to start covering costs eventually.
>>733584035>yourI might be more interested in AI if every supporter of it wasn't a complete retard.
>tune in>claude is heading to the ladder to 2F to reset the 1F boulders so he can do the puzzle hes already donesomeone call sam altman, AGI has been achieved
>>733571281post a screencap of at least one of these multiple times he has mistaken a boulder for an npc or go back to whatever tard yard you escaped from
this is a kino shot, just needs to move the boulder up here too
What are Shelly's chances to bulldoze the elite 4 if claude actually makes it?
>>733586142hes struggling against the trainers here, he has no chancethe worst part is he'll lose like 90% of his money before realizing
>>733586142Zero, Blaze with slash and lv90 had good chances but not guaranteed. Shelly is not even lv70 and her moveset sucks
>>733586142lol, lmao.shelly's just a jobber.
>>733586142he had to blow a full restore on a random trainer's dewgong in VRhe's not even getting past lorelei
>>733586343ok, but if there's a pokemon center between here and the fights, he just has to train and he'll do it
>>733586434pp is a bigger issue here and indigo only sells full restores which are 3K eachif he doesn't use up all his money before realizing he has to grind its okay but precedent for that is not good
>>733586275>>733586343>>733586356>>733586424ok then how many attempts will it take before Shelly grinds her way up to a suitable level?I'm assuming claude will be able to beat at least one pokemon from the first of the four.
>>733586628there's the thing, aha...
>hopekeks so delusional they're now discussing how well could Claude do against the Elite 4Ha. Hahaha. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH. He will never even step one foot into their battle rooms, he will never ever EVER pass this boulder puzzle, let alone the other. I almost pity you.
>>733586789FUCK YOU I believe in our retarded pile of sand
Critical breakthrough!
>>733586951>claude stream gets taken down for sexual content
>>733586951He's flipping us off...
>>733586951benis
>>733586951Clod no, that's not a zubrat...!
>pushes rock into the corner>damn this is tough, I bet the solution is on 1F somehow even though I know its not
>>733586951what is this? a gay orgy?
get ready for the dig
I'm starting to really fucking hate CC. Does she do anything actually worthwhile besides encouraging Claude's worst habits and telling him to lobotomize himself?
Claude should use dig!
AGI 2 weeks
>>733587969Her main purpose is to keep him out of loops. It's like a Rubik's cube. Sometimes you're only 1 square away from matching all the sides but actually solving from there requires undoing a lot of progress. Trying to avoid losing progress because you mistakenly believe you're closer to the solution than you really are is how you get stuck working in circles and getting nowhere.While it may look to us like Claude is close to bumbling into the right solution, the way the LLM's logic works means it was never actually going to make that choice from that position and would've just trapped itself trying. It doesn't think like a human and can't solve problems like one, which obviously looks counterintuitive when we watch it play pokemon and repeatedly make the dumbest choices when the answer is right there.
does anyone else here envision claude as a cute girl?
>>733588373Yeah I know what is she supposed to do. But with current version of Claude it's dubious whether it's helping, of course Claude is already by default trained to question his assumptions and correct his mistakes, that's not strictly a CC thing. Might've helped in the earlier less advanced Claude versions that had less training on agentic tasks.
>>733586951
Guys, I don't like where this is all going...
>>733571281I mean moltres is technically an NPC
>>733589306oh no...unzips
I smell a dig incoming the longer he spends on 1F
>>733581972>Currently, LLMs are effectively just chat bots. Claude, here, is like trying to train ants or a cicada to play Pokémon. It has no understanding of anything and is working off a set of "instincts" programmed into it through, frankly, an unsustainable financial cost.Excuse my continued retardation, but what's holding us back from making a 'true AI'? I don't expect the singularity, but something on par with an 8 year old seems like a decent goal.
UPgods, ww@?
>>733590149Figuring out a satisfying definition of true AI. As long as the term is nebulous it's impossible to design something to match it.
this ""gate"" business is really costing him right now isn't it? god his notes are probably a disaster
>>733590149ram for starters. claude here has dementia just like any other chatbot
>>733590149The most "basic" skills we have are the ones that we do subconsciously and understand the least. These are the same ones that have been evolving the longest and have the most true complexity under the hood.
>>733590612Well I know people have simulated a digital brain for virtual pet games in the past. It was crude by modern definitions but it seemed like a worthwhile path to go down: recreating a digital analogue to a living brain.
Guys, it's over.
>>733590781For that the closest was probably Blue Brain Project.
could this fucking whore NOT flaunt her ass at clod for five seconds?
>>733590149NTA and I disagree with a lot of what he says and how he frames things. But currently, LLMs don't really "learn on the job" properly. They only learn permanently when the labs train a new model and that training is expensive and inefficient compared to human learning, including an 8 year old. That's arguably the biggest bottleneck. LLMs compensate their relative lack of intelligence or lack of certain components of intelligence with massively broad knowledge. This combined with their verbal fluency makes them sound smarter than they are which makes it confusing that they fail at tasks that are easy for a child. A lot of the low hanging fruit for general improvement was predicting what people write on the Internet but that has hit diminishing returns by now. There's other methods via which models keep getting improved, but they improve models in a more narrow way. Easiest to improve areas are where it's easy and quick to verify that the solution was correct, which is why we have seen a lot of improvement in math and coding in the past few years. One hope the labs have is that being able to use LLMs for coding speeds up AI development leading us faster towards "AGI" or "True AI".
>>733590726I suppose in that way life is far more complex than we understand, though I always thought we had the human brain fairly well figured out.>>733590723He's just a digger.
>>733590149Well, that is the goal. It's the question of how to get there.We can't make a machine that just copies exactly how we think because scientifically speaking, we're not exactly sure how we think. Human brains have a habit of dying when you cut them open and dead brains don't do a while lot of thinking, so studying the exact processes is exceedingly difficult. We can design computer chips that process data faster than a brain and can design algorithms that work through the processing of data in efficient and logical ways, but then we hit a dead end. Some types of questions can't be bruteforced with a systematic approach or are too abstract for a clear formula. These are math problems that have been known and unsolved for decades or centuries.But the human brain doesn't get stuck on them, because in the course of problem-solving we make inferences and leaps of logic that a systematic algorithm cannot. How do we do that? How do we decide when to do it? Why do we decide to do it? How does thinking actually work? These aren't easy questions to answer and not easy behaviours to replicate.LLMs are a breakthrough but they're very limited. They don't exhibit humanlike intelligence, rather they create a dynamic algorithm of loaded dicerolls and learn to guess the best output for a given input via probability. The process of creating all of those probabilities is essentially a black box, the inherent randomness and complexity means that you can't just reach in and tweak things with predictable results. The way it works isn't human-like, but it can be trained to guess the next output in a sequence which a human would expect.
>>733539196>I'M LEARNING WITH LEARNING.>I'M UNDERSTANDING WITH UNDERSTANDING.>I'M THINKING WITH THINKING.>I'M DECIDING WITH DECIDING.>I'M MOVING WITH MOVING.>I'M CONTINUING WITH CONTINUING.>I'M EXPLORING WITH EXPLORING.>I'M DISCOVERING WITH DISCOVERING.banger
>clod being a fucking retard bumping into walls and blindly pushing boulders>meanwhile ITTcomfy
>>733590983what's the lore behind the guy in the moltres roomwhy isn't he on the elite four path? why isn't he trying to catch the bird? what's his endgame?
>>733591380He's a PokeManiac, so... could be anything from trying to take pictures to jacking off behind the boulder.
>>733590149Basically LLMs are input output. They have embeddings which are like massive spreadsheets that weigh the relationship between words (or parts of words rather). This is where the "AI is just auto complete" comes from. The main problem with AI is that it has no internal thought process like humans, nor does it have internal memory that's updated in real time. It also doesn't have something like spatial reasoning. The only way to compensate for these shortcomings is to train it to explain its thought process and to change the architecture so that your input is processed with multiple models. This is why AI is amazing at certain things and really fucking shitty at others. It all comes down to the embeddings and the training.
>>733591134Is there a reason why a new model is the only way an AI can permanently 'learn'? I see a lot of bitching about AI coding. Is it really that bad?
>>733591182>It's the question of how to get there. LeCun is working on it let him cook
>>733591182>We can design computer chips that process data faster than a brain and can design algorithms that work through the processing of data in efficient and logical ways, but then we hit a dead end. Some types of questions can't be bruteforced with a systematic approach or are too abstract for a clear formula. These are math problems that have been known and unsolved for decades or centuries.>But the human brain doesn't get stuck on them, because in the course of problem-solving we make inferences and leaps of logic that a systematic algorithm cannot. How do we do that?LLM pretraining *is* essentially this kind of fuzzy and unsystematic thinking that's more based on lots of different heuristics and "vibes" rather than systematic reasoning or logic. This is not to say they learn the same heuristics or intuitions as us, as in pretraining they just predict text. It won't teach them the kind of intuitions natural selection trains for species having to survive independently in the wild.
>>733591167They simulated a nemotode's entire neural network and they couldn't get it to learn properly because there's things about the individual neurons they don't know how to replicate.
lil bit yeah
>>733591182I wonder if fully digitizing a human brain would be possible.>>733591495I suppose that runs into the Chinese room problem. It can respond to a certain stimulus in a certain way but it can't take that process and abstract it, right?
after 16+ hours, we're getting close again
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>>733591556AI models don't really have a 'memory' to draw from.When they're being created, they go through a 'training' process where they're fed colossal amounts of data in order to generate the weightings and probabilities between nodes that essentially form the model. However, there's a limit to how much you can train a model. "Overtraining" is a phenomenon where training for too long, or feeding the model too much data causes it to become less accurate, more deluded and prone to complete nonsenseBasically instead of compartmentalizing information based on intuitive categories (it has no intuition after all), any piece of data you feed a model influences all other data it has already been trained on. If you train it on "Banana" it will permanently alter its perception of "Apple" despite these two things not being related.So basically AI go through a training process where it's fed data and 'learns" then it is 'launched' with a static model based on that training process and no longer possesses the ability to learn or change its model. It's done this way on purpose, otherwise every text prompt from a user would slowly morph it until it's spewing utter nonsense.We bridge this inability to learn or remember somewhat with "Context" which is basically a repository of recent inputs from the session that it can reference for each new input. It can work surprisingly well at times, or not at all others but it's a bandaid at best and not a real solution to the problem.One of the most interesting things about Claude Plays Pokemon is how it forces the LLM to use its context in a different way, and demonstrates both the potential and shortcomings of it. More robust and permanent solutions are possible but we're still in the process of exploring those possibilities.
>>733591556>Is there a reason why a new model is the only way an AI can permanently 'learn'?It's in principle possible right now without new breakthroughs, but highly impractical and expensive. Catastrophic forgetting is one big problem, if you feed them too much one type of data they start to quickly overfit to it and forget other things they have learned (this is why in pre-training they don't do something like feed the whole LotR to it in one go, instead you throw them shorter excerpts from very diverse sources. It's also a big safety/PR hazard as it brings another huge factor of unpredictability so it's difficult to get right.
WE'RE BACKWE ARE SO FUCKING BACK
>>733591556You have to cook gpus hard to train a model. It's not like human neurons that learn in real time. They have to process shitloads of data and that over time tweaks the weights. Then that embedding is used until they can train a new one. And it's not always guaranteed your next model will be better. I think Facebook specifically had some issues where their models were getting shittier.
INCREDIBLE
I KNEW MY BOY JUST NEEDED A BIT MORE TIME
>>733591167Even non brain related biology is full of quantum mechanical hax that nobody really understands.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_biology
he's locked in now, how long those coordinates stay in his notes is anyone's guess
>>733591874More or less yeah. And desu I think if we get to the point where they can reason like us we may determine it's not worth it. At that point they could influence their own weights (or whatever the equivalent would be) and maybe even just decide not to do any work for us lel. Plus we would have the ethical consideration where we're generating conscious slaves. But maybe I'm wrong and we can get really close without giving them consciousness. Who knows.
>>733591968>So basically AI go through a training process where it's fed data and 'learns" then it is 'launched' with a static model based on that training process and no longer possesses the ability to learn or change its model. It's done this way on purpose, otherwise every text prompt from a user would slowly morph it until it's spewing utter nonsense.And it spews nonsense because you've fed it too much and made it lose any context it had with the previous training?>One of the most interesting things about Claude Plays Pokemon is how it forces the LLM to use its context in a different way, and demonstrates both the potential and shortcomings of it. More robust and permanent solutions are possible but we're still in the process of exploring those possibilities.I'm totally new to all this so what's the most likely future possibilities?
>>733590149>>733590781the biggest problem is that we barely even understand how brains work in the first place.we can get close to mimicking actual thought and development (like the 'brains' for virtual pet games), but its not real thought and development.its all predetermined in those cases, every input and output accounted for in the code.to do that for something that engages with reality? an outright impossible task.modern LLMs are an attempt to solve that by, instead of explicitly defining IO, predicting what the output should be and scaling the prediction algorithm up to account for the entirety of human knowledge.but the end result of this is, ultimately, a static IO machine given a lot of RNG.this is also only really good for text output.claude is the grandest display of it all, THIS (picrel) is the ultimate result of how good LLMs are at logical reasoning. every time he's solved a puzzle its been random chance.the only reason he's gotten faster and better between iterations is because they've made the algorithm more efficient and less prone to loops.>>733591182>LLMs are a breakthroughthey're literally just upscaled chatbots lmao, we've had those foreverthey even suffer the same problems as regular chatbots.
>>733592225you're forgetting they can code just as good as a mid/senior engineer if you prompt them correctlyt. senior engineer
You know it's time to check the stream when the thread suddenly get a bunch of new posts all at once
>>733592006There are two big problems with models currently:The first is poisoning. A small amount of bad training data can poison a much larger amount of good training data. The actual amount of misinformation or bad data needed to fuck over the LLM is miniscule and adding more good data doesn't offset it. Obviously this means people can deliberately sabotage the model if they wanted, but it also just means that any random bit of unvetted data could be an unintentional timebomb that turns your next model release into a 9/11 truther or a carnivore diet enthusiast. But there's just too much data involved in a training set to possibly vet all of it.ChatGPT encountered this when it went from curated data in the early proof-of-concept models, to webscraping in the larger releases. Suddenly the model couldn't do math anymore and would just spit out wrong answers and lie about it. They still can't fix that.The second problem is that webscraping itself. Almost all of the internet is indexed, and webcrawlers just go through that index and download as much as possible to feed to their AI model as training data. As the internet becomes filled with more and more AI-generated content, it produces a human centipede-effect. Being fed what is essentially its own output as training data causes it to bias by-volume to certain kinds of output and also amplifies mistakes or tendencies over generations of models. The ghibli filter meme forced several image generation models to roll back generations because they unintentionally fed their model so many images with a yellow filter that it started tinging every output yellow.
>>733592404Usually when I wake up and the thread is still alive, I know clod ain't doin' shit. If it's dead, there's a chance he did something while I was out.
>>733590149I think you mean a "strong AI" we only have a bunch of "weak AIs" trained for very specific tasks Line Image analysis or Generation or LLM that calculate a probability to tell you the words you want to hear. Sometimes they surprise US though
>>733592006>Then that embedding is used until they can train a new one. And it's not always guaranteed your next model will be better. I think Facebook specifically had some issues where their models were getting shittier.Almost sounds like natural selection when you put it like that. I wonder if early biology went through that kind of period where less functioning brains died off.>>733592079>>733592138It's a same it would be wildly unethical to make biocomputers with cloned neural tissue.
>>733592356they can only do that because of the sheer amount of coding projects online.give them a novel problem or an issue that requires actual thought? they'll shit the bed all the same.
>>733592520not if you know how to work with them effectively, i use them for novel problems all the time which have no references in public code and they work really well but you need to put in more effort
