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Whats your opinion on Undertale's combat system? Personally I think it had a lot of potential, and I'm glad that Deltarune and new fangames like Naranja and Wildfire are expanding on it, giving their own unique spin to it as well.
Do you have any ideas on how to expand or rework UT's combat system?
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I didn't think naranja's battle system would work when I first tried it but after getting past the initial hurdle it actually was surprisingly nice
though I think you should start the game with less techniques and learn those as you go
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>>733592238
I didn't mention this on the opening post, but we should talk about the overworld segments too, Funnily enough both Deltarune Yellow and Naranja took inspiration from Mario & Luigi games to expand the gameplay on those sections, DRY added the mechanic of individually controlling characters, and Naranja added platforming sections.
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>>733592238
I like it. It has a learning curve though, and I think it introduces too many mechanics too early. I feel like at least half of the attacks should be taken away and introduced over time. The game's "tutorials" about the combat are also genuinely bad, info dumping with walls of text is not a good way to teach the player how to play.
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>>733592238
>Whats your opinion on Undertale's combat system?
I love it, it's one of my favorite combat systems in not just RPGs, but in gaming in general. Gives each enemy its own identity, and makes the games more than "number goes up" and "dice roll" simulator
And like you said, Deltarune greatly expand on the combat system. ACTing can now impact the gameplay.
>Do you have any ideas on how to expand or rework UT's combat system?
IDK
I think it's perfectly fine

>>733592741
It would be nice if more games had Mother 2/3 encounter system, where you can actually run and avoid encounters. So far, I only know Deltarune has those.
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how woke is it? uty was considerably less woke than undertale, and I enjoyed it a lot more
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>>733592741
My take on the platforming is that its too hard too early. He should start off easier and have a slow build up throughout the game. I actually enjoyed the platforming on my third playthrough, but it was not fun on the first two.
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>>733592990
Not woke at all. Its made by an anon from here.
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>>733592990
Val (the MC) still referred as "they/them" even though he obviously looks like a dude
At this point, it's just a tradition to make your human MC have neutral pronouns in UT related fangames
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>>733593145
>>733593160
don't feed the trolls
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>>733592910
>but in gaming in general
I get that its good among RPGs, but come on. There are plenty of games that do combat better than Undertale, mainly because their focus is entirely on the combat, rather than split between that and RPG elements.
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>>733593160
He has been referred as he/him by the creator on every post, I think its just a way to show that monsters can't tell the genders of humans at a glance
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>>733593160
Is he?
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>>733593202
It could be a genuine question. I like Undertale, but all the gay shit it has is absolutely a mark against it and I think fangames do better to avoid that stuff.
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>>733593224
Nah, I agree with that anon, the main problem is that Undertale's combat is too easy with the exception of two fights, the other problem is how limited your options are during your turn, something that Deltarune adressed by giving you multiple actions per turn, making ACTs have a function on battle besides just sparing, and giving you other options like the defend action and the spells, TP also helps a lot adding a layer of resource managment to your turn.
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>>733592238
>Whats your opinion on Undertale's combat system?
Dodging the bullets is fun, the "visual novel" ACTs are fun too.

The progression and leveling is extremely unbalanced if you do anything other than a pacifist or genocide run, and I've been pondering how could that be fixed.
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>>733592238
Potential is the most meaningless appraisal possible. Even the worst trash had potential at some point, just things had to go completely different. There have been games way before Undertale that were a shoot-em-up mixed with an RPG. They did both better.
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>>733593519
>The progression and leveling is extremely unbalanced if you do anything other than a pacifist or genocide run, and I've been pondering how could that be fixed.
The game is easy even on pacifist route, the "solution" would be to make pacifst route an actual challenge run, near the end of the game most enemies and bosses would kill you in 3 or 2 hits, unless you level up, Genocide should remain the same since its an alt route based on the concept of the world reacting to your level grinding, and treating you like a murder hobo.
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>>733593462
I think you missed my point. I said he may have a fair point if he said Undertale had the best combat of any game, but he didn't say that, he said it had the best combat of any game, at all. That means he's comparing to games in other genres and saying its better than all of them. I don't even know if its possible to compare combat across different genres like that, its completely apples to oranges.

Like how are you going to say Undertale has better combat than Half Life, for example? They aren't comparable at all.
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>>733593697
Except in this case that potential is being fulfilled by Deltarune so its not meaningless.
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>>733593767
this, hoping that naranja's pacifist route is actually harder than neutral and have people actually consider changing their tactics (though UT and other fangames treating pacifism as the golden ending has kinda ruined that perception in people's minds)
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>>733593697
Potential is an important metric when we're talking about games still in active development. Those games very possibly could get a lot better, and are already pretty good.
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>>733593845
Oh yeah, you are right, you can't say that Undertale has the best combat system of all games since comparing it to Xcom or Doom would be dumb, I think that anon just wanted to say that it was his favorite combat system, or I hope he meant that.
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>>733593978
I guess that's fair, still seems a bit silly to compare it against every game ever, even if its prefaced as being nothing more than personal preference.
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sex with shop snake.
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>>733593876
Its not just Deltarune. Undertale Naranja and other fangames do a lot to change up the combat as well.
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>>733593892
Naranja has been confirmed to have a non canon ending besides the genocide route and there won't be items that are flat stat increases, I think its safe to say that the pacifist route will be pretty insane
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I'm waiting for Undertale Octarine.
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>>733594107
>not even gonna post an image
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>>733594107
Her name is Quetzali
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>>733594176
What about Undertale Tangerine?
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>>733594176
What would it even be about?
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>>733593972
Someone actually making a project should care about its "potential" since they want to make it the best they can. That's different from thinking something that someone else made had "potential." I was concerned with the latter.
I want to offer more insight about shooters, so I'll add this. Aimed shots generally reward tap dodging, where the ship moves slightly to get out of the way
A long sequence of them can reward streaming the bullets by repeatedly moving slowly. This can create a time to quickly cut across the other way.
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>>733594407
Potential matters for games not made by me because they help me to determine which ones are worth paying attention to

Also I'd be interested to here about those games (plural) that did the RPG-shmup thing earlier and better.
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>>733594129
I just think people will drop the game because pacifism will be hard, like how people are unironically afraid to press the FIGHT button in deltarune even when Ralsei is literally screaming at you to do so
I've seen people complaining in DRY that you can't spare bearing anymore or honvich
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>>733594107
Undertail Val...
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>>733594626
I don't think the number of those people are high enough to rework the game over
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>>733594182
>>733594206

Snoot ass looking creature.
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>>733594206
>>733594182
but is she related to quetzalcoatl?
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>>733594910
indeed
>>733594985
I think so
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>>733592238
>>733592438
>>733592990
Where can I play it? Googling yields nothing
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>>733594985
Maybe her mom was a bird and her dad a snake, so she was born as a feathered snake
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>>733595231
https://rentry.org/mtt-fangames
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>>733595231
https://files.catbox.moe/mnyr1m.rar (win64)
https://files.catbox.moe/ublb62.rar (win32)
https://files.catbox.moe/jvw4yj.rar (linux)

Feel free to virus scan the files if you're feeling paranoid
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>>733595321
archiveanon really needs to update the links there, the archive is about 4 versions behind the newest version
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>>733595231
Its not on any public sites, it was made by an bon from here and its still a wip with bugs a placeholder assets.
Here you have the latest build
Naranja anon always asks to scan the gane with an antivirus.

https://files.catbox.moe/mnyr1m.rar (win64)
https://files.catbox.moe/ublb62.rar (win32)
https://files.catbox.moe/jvw4yj.rar (linux)


>>733595321
That version is outdated
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>>733594367
You play as Rincewind and your only options in battle are run away or run away while screaming "oh shit, oh shit, oh shit, I'm gonna die!"
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>>733595523
Oldentale if Racter were in control
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>>733594574
>Also I'd be interested to here about those games (plural) that did the RPG-shmup thing earlier and better.
The clearest example is Sigma Star Story. The protagonist walks around a map that looks like its from an RPG, but battles are a space shooter. Radiant Silvergun demands weapon level ups by directly tying score to experience points. Tyrian has enemies drop gold which can be spend at stores to strengthen the ship.
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>>733595732
I would not call Tyrian an RPG. At best it has minor RPG elements.
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>>733595652
Also the generic human village Asriel was killed in is replaced with Ankh-Morpork.
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>>733594910
I call it the "4chan scalie phenotype"
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>>733593160
Fem Val ToT
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>>733596707
huh?
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>>733593767
I feel this would be just a patch on something that doesn't quite work well.

I really wanted for a violent neutral run to be actually challenging. My current thought is having the pacified enemies reward you in some way, maybe with items or more money.

I guess it could be "excused" in Undertale by it's meta narrative criticizing grinding, but there is no point in every fan game following that.
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>>733596707
Female Val us just your average tanned tomboy described in 4chan
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>>733595956
I think like Gradius is a normal shmup where you constantly move forward to the next enemy. In Tyrian, you can decide to fight someone specifically to get gold to buy certain equipment. That makes for an RPG shmup.
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Slow thread today eh?
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I think the monsters are better off in the underground. Can you imagine sharing a world with creatures that can kill you with nothing more than mean thoughts? Where even a small child can kill your entire race if he's feeling bored?

I think if anything we should be trying to seal the barrier so none of them can get in.
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>>733598342
No, just have someone ascend to godhood with the power of seven human souls and just have them make a balancing patch for the world that puts humans and monsters on equal footing, easy.
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>>733596707
>>733597239
Valerie would put Susie and Dess to shame and would be shipped with Shu
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>>733598342
>I think if anything we should be trying to seal the barrier so none of them can get in.
I really want to adress this but I don't want to spoil anything
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>>733598489
Humans like going weird places too much, monsterkind could never keep us out of their magic roach motel.
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>>733598483
Shu would go to jail
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>>733598430
What if he can't control the souls? What if he absorbs the soul and the vengeful spirit of the dead human possesses him and uses his body to seek revenge? Humans are already have so much power over monsters from outside of their bodies, imagine what they could do from the inside of us.
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>>733598646
All part of the plan
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>>733598743
what plan?
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>>733598686
Humans feared monsterkind's power of soul absorption for a reason, they wouldn't have tried so hard to prevent it if it would've just ended up working in *their* favor, it'll be fine.
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>>733598816
The "prison rape all monsters" plan. She heard people fight really good when you try to rape them. Now she just needs to get into a male monster prison. Should be easy since monsters can't tell human gender.
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>>733598483
Valerie would look like Val but with a pony tail
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>>733598853
But what if it doesn't? What if the wrong person gets the soul? What if the soul is too strong?
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>>733598931
Valerie's plan has one small flaw, the one going to prison is Shu, not her, she just ruined Shu's reputation for no apparent reason
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>>733598965
That would explain the pink gloves. They were probably cute pink girly gloves and Valerie cut the fingers off to make them cool.
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>>733599105
She'll be there with him soon. People usually go to prison for murder, right?
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>>733598342
I just want to get an anthro gf, don't mind if snake, fox, goat or even living flame, I just want her to be cute and love me
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>>733598573
>Magic roach motel
It'll be a magic love motel when I'm done with it
>Humans like going weird places
Like inside monster women
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reminder that ceroba is fat
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>>733599074
Well if the soul's too strong they won't end up dead, will they?
Then they won't be absorbed, and none of the problems you're talking about will happen anyway.
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>>733599260
And that's the worst part, we constantly have to worry about getting molested by a human.
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>>733599172
The gloves' description in Naranja says that they are "a prize for a champion" so Val probably got them after winning a tournament
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>>733599105
Valerie isn't too bright, her next plan is for a jailbreak, but in reverse.
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>>733599387
are you bulimic or something?
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>>733599342
Yes, that too.
Can you imagine if the modern world suddenly received news of a hollow space within the earth housing all kinds of anthros and other assorted monsters?
People'd be fighting over who gets to free them *first*.
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>>733599409
What if they want you to absorb them?
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>>733599468
>we
What's your species? Are you single?
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>>733599468
Sometimes freedom comes at the cost of the occasional surprise buttsex, it happens.
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>>733599543
Well, vore fetishists are just a fact of life, it's an unfortunate thing but it is how it is.
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>>733599495
"Just like Baki" was her first and only thought
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>>733599482
>a prize for a champion
I know a lot of people assume this means he won the tournament that riley lost, but what if it was literally just some kind of mail order prize contest. He mailed in all the box tops needed and thus by winning the gloves he's the champion.
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>>733599574
That's why I'm saying the monsters should seal the barrier from the inside. Its the only way we can be safe.
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>>733599504
no, I'm a visionary
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>>733599645
That would be pretty funny too, it could also just be something he got from a game at a festival
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>>733599696
Molested freedom over unmolested slavery, this is the way.
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>>733599747
that's perfect, you don't always get to choose what color carnival prize you get so he just got the pink ones and "I'm the champion!"
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>>733599696
Too late, once the barrier is broken we'll make sure the population of human-monster hybrids explodes
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>>733599482
What if they were from a really girly competition that her mother made her do, and the "champion" is just from her mother using her competitive nature to make her play along.
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>>733599636
is she going to kidnap Asgore?
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>>733599772
Says the molester
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>>733599842
Instead of getting the gloves from the same tournament as Riley, she got the gloves from a Ballet competition, same competition in which Integrity participated
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>>733599914
As the founding fathers would've wanted.
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>>733598342
>>733598686
>>733599468
t.
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>>733599573
We also need to rangeban all surface IPs from the Undernet.
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>>733599806
my headcanon is that quetzali will comment on that during her date
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>>733600095
that version of windows better not be from this century
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>>733600189
If the surface had access to the Undernet there would be no barrier already, everyone would go to MT Ebott with the intention of getting a monster gf
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>>733600095
Did you dig that computer out of the dump at waterfall to make this post?
How old is that thing?
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Troontale
Deltatroon
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>>733599973
Did Integrity also try to kill herself for jobbing to Valerie?
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Underhetero Yellow
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Anybody got any footage of this combat
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>>733600297
I don't think so, but maybe losing to Valerie pissed her off and made her strict parents disappointed in her, which lead to Integrity taking her frustrations on the monsters once she went to MT Ebott
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>>733600459
in case no one has bothered to record it, it uses a combo input system like Sabins blitz moves in ff6, and you get multiple moves per turn. I played it on my ancient laptop so running recording software on top of naranj was impossible.

it feels a bit funky at first since theres a timing thing worked in, but when you start having the combos memorized (they are only 4 inputs each) it gets pretty good.
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here recorded this just now, this doesn't show everything since each enemy is weak to a different move (you can see what the moves are more effective against by checking them), which is interesting in the mini boss where you gotta do the right moves + act at the right time
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Post THOSE images
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>>733600241
I'm sorry to say its running Windows 7. I don't have a working laptop in that size that runs anything older.
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>>733600276
Of course, that's where wll computers come from.

The sticker says its from 201X
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>>733600920
NTA, but I think I used to have a little blue pc a bit like that one.
I remember just barely getting Spore to work on it for a while.
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>>733600543
Imagine them encountering each other in the underground
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I wanna see Val and this Valerie running into each other and fighting like the two different Shepards in that one part of Mass Defect.
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>>733600845
>high res quetzali in the shop
>the strogg
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>>733601212
Then they make out
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>>733601005
I got it because I wanted a tiny Windows PC and it was the bests option I could afford. Modern PCs are either too big or too expensive.
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>>733599631
how come toby never got called out for asriel voring every monster in the story
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>>733599260
>Cole did this to Kanako when they were little
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>>733600845
>SPY AROUND HERE
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>>733601353
I'm not knocking it, I can respect older hardware like that.

I kinda wanna get a thinkpad for myself at somepoint but I refuse to own one without having a justifiable reason for it. It feels like stolen valor otherwise.
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>>733601212
They most likely can see and take damage from each other's shadowboxers, turning their 1v1 in a 2v2 fight
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>>733601647
I use a refurbished thinkpad as my danger machine. nice little things.
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Oh wait wrong image
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>>733601767
The invisible man's outside!
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>>733601647
What reason woudl you need? I just use old office boxes like that for general computing because they're the best machines for it. Web browsing, typing, running utility software, and even playing old games is better on them than it is on modern laptops.

That said, the EeePC I have is a bit shit. Windows 7 is really too much for it, and I think the hard drive is getting slower. It would run better with Windows XP and a newer hard drive. As it is its mainly only good for typing.
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I heard people say Ceroba as "Sir Roba" but shouldn't it be "Ker-oba?"

You don't pronounce Cat as "Sat" or Corn as "Sorn". If anything if you wanna say it like that it would be "Sea-Aero-Ba"
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>>733600845
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>>733601917
You don't pronounce cease as "kease"
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>>733601917
Maybe we would know the correct pronunciation of Ceroba's name if someone bothered to ask the devs the etimology of her name.
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>>733601917
there are plenty of names and words that begin with an "S" C
>>733601669
>the shadow boxers actually turn on them so the 2v2 happens but not how they planned
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>>733601669
>>733602007
Val finally gets a chance to use pro wrestling tag team moves
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>>733601895
>What reason woudl you need?
I refuse to own such hardware without a good purpose for it.
Maybe when/if I get a good engineering job after I'm through with college, that could justify it to me.
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would drylo still call martlet "feathers"
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>>733601917
Oh no, the sprite edit I posted last night has broken containment.
What have I done?
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Its just the cube game + danmaku.

It was unique to use in in an RPG rather than on-rails game, but lets not protend its original.
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>>733602432
>cube game
what is that?
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>>733602108
Why intentionally limit yourself to poorly made hardware though? Its not like these things are expensive or rare. You're not depriving someone else of a much needed computer by buying some old business machine off of ebay. These things would probably end up in a landfill if you didn't buy them.

I guess if price is still really an issue, you could get an HP Compaq or Dell Latitude instead. Their business models are about Thinkpad quality and are much cheaper.
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>>733602432
I have never heard of either of those things

Also, being unoriginal isn't a bad. Almost everything in existence took most or all of its elements from something else. There is nothing new under the sun.
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>>733602693
nta but Danmaku is bullet curtain
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>>733602594
>Why intentionally limit yourself to poorly made hardware though?
I'm the guy from the last /vrpg/ running windows on a steam deck, my hardware is fine.
Price also isn't an issue, I'll just feel bad if I own a thinkpad when I don't have an adequate calling for it.
Same way I feel about that decently weighted iron sword a family member gave me that just sits in the corner of my room, if I'm not actively using it, do I really deserve to have it?
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>>733602780
>my hardware is fine.
Its fine for gaming, but it sounds like a miserable computing experience.

But who am I to question your logic, Mr Vulcan.
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>>733602547
>>733602693
https://youtu.be/O_U65QkH_EU?si=8h0G51--MKDE8aok
https://youtu.be/CkD0nmMhEIY?si=8r9G669-xE8hMNFo
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>made by an anon
That means it's pretty much softcore furry porn like Yellow. No thanks.
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>>733602872
>Its fine for gaming, but it sounds like a miserable computing experience.
Eh, it works pretty well for just whatever honestly.
I've been using it since about mid 2023, and all the problems I've ever had with it have been my own fault, like the three-ish different times I accidentally fucked up it's partitions with Gparted.
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fangames are cringe
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>>733602879
Ok Geometry Dash and Tohou.

I think Undertale is a lot more fun than games like Tohou because its more fair and not nearly as punishing. Plus it has stuff besides just anime girls and bullet patterns.

I don't see the geometry dash connection at all.
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>>733602961
Yeah, just look at this disgusting goonerbait design, furries are so annoying.
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>>733603008
That's a very nicely stylized Ceroba for what that image is, I should study it sometime.
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>>733603071
Doesn't it not have a keyboard?
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>>733603126
Look at him, not wearing shoes, what a slut.
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>>733603008
I didn't know Ceroba was such a big Dig Dug fan
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>>733603198
you can use a dock to connect it to an hdmi monitor + usb peripherals and just use it as a computer
though putting windows on it is braindead, specially 11 with its continuing worse updates every week
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>>733603121
https://youtu.be/cU9Nv5aM5aY?si=iZRwUuG97KWYpMqr
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>>733603198
Yeah?
I just plug a keyboard into it.
The deck is the newest piece of hardware I'm using, everything else is some Logitech thing from north of 10 years ago that I've got jacked into it so I can use it like a desktop whenever I'm not taking it elsewhere.
Oh, except my monitor, that's an HP 2011x or whatever with major light bleed issues.
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>>733603301
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Please be bait, that game didn't invent the platforming genre
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>>733603279
>you can use a dock to connect it to an hdmi monitor + usb peripherals
That sounds miserable to me. I already avoid modern computers like the plague because of their obsession with USB parasites hanging off the side. I outright to refuse to buy a computer with a USB C port.
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>>733603279
>specially 11 with its continuing worse updates every week
Ah, jokes on you, I ran a script allowing me to pause updates for Windows 11 until the end of the century, allowing me to bypass any (additional) problems with using Windows.
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>>733602961
The mandate of heaven is stronger than you.
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>>733603404
Sure.
The Papyrus fight (and all other derivatives throughout the game) are not platforming howthoughever.
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>>733603008
... why does this look like a sig drawing?
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>>733603008
>good artist uses their talents for evil
shame
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>>733603301
Geometry Dash didn't invent platforming. Its not even very similar, since Geometry dash gives you no lateral control while Undertale gives you fine vertical and lateral control. Its also a gimmick that only happens in two fights.
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>>733603446
I mean, you have to plug stuff into a normal desktop anyway, and that's been the case for as long as computers have been a thing, so I don't see what the issue is.
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>>733603491
yes they are. What else would you call that?
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>>733603608
Normal desktops don't fall over when I accidentally kick them and shatter their expensive OLED screen. They have all the cables on the back for easy cable management. I can set stuff on top of them instead of having to give up 1.5 square feet of table space for device with a gordian knot of adapters dangling off of it. I can put them on the floor and leave them there. They're easily upgradable.
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>>733603565
probably the low res makes it look like the pixel brush he uses, the way sig draws snouts is different
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>>733603576
it doesn't the line art, stylization and colors aren't like the ones he uses, the only thing resembling Sig's art is the background
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>>733592990
>uty was considerably less woke
UTY meanwhile:
>No muscular men like Asgore
>0 romance or sexual undertones
>No living canon straight couples that are not robots
>Has canonical thussy
>UTY has more alphabet mafia devs than UTDR and had more Shay (lol) involvement
inb4 “m-masterswordremix is a proud Christian white male!”
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>>733603817
>shatter their expensive OLED screen.
Jokes on you, mine's one of the LCD models.
>I can set stuff on top of them instead of having to give up 1.5 square feet of table space for device with a gordian knot of adapters dangling off of it. I can put them on the floor and leave them there.
My deck is underneath my desk in a position my legs do not go to ordinarily, it's fine.
>They're easily upgradable.
I popped mine open and swapped out the SSD for a bigger one myself, with no history or prior experience messing with computers, and it was just fine. I've seen other people do more extensive upgrades, ship of theseus style, but I just wanted a bigger SSD.
I'm not arguing for you to get a steam deck or anything, I'm just saying I think I made a decent choice for what I wanted out of it.
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>>733603578
Correct, Geometry Dash didnt invent it. The Impossible Game did.
But you are a zoomer so you wouldn't know the original.
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>>733603970
>>No muscular men like Asgore
El Bailador
>>0 romance or sexual undertones
Chujin-Ceroba-Starlo
>>No living canon straight couples that are not robots
Moray's parents
>>Has canonical thussy
A single one, compared to the multiple in UT/DR
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>>733603970
you forgot ed (almost everyone does so)
this reminds me that ace and moray are both lanky humanoids like roba, starlo and martlet, but at least ed and mooch balance them out so they dont stand out as much
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>>733604050
>Jokes on you, mine's one of the LCD models.
Its still an expensive and difficult to replace compared to the nothing that I have to replace when something hits the steel side panel of my desktop

>My deck is underneath my desk in a position my legs do not go to ordinarily
I've never seen a desk to could comfortable fit something like that in that position without being a tripping hazard or hitting my knees

>I popped mine open and swapped out the SSD
Storage doesn't count. I mean real upgrades like the ram and cpu, or raid cards, sound cards, network cards.

It just seems like the worst of both worlds to me.
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>>733604082
>>733603632
only 2 battles in the game use the blue soul though, and there are other soul modes which are also homages to different games
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>>733604082
Super Mario came out decades before the impossible game, and Pitfall was doing it before Mario
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>>733603970
>“m-masterswordremix is a proud Christian white male!”
>UTY has more alphabet mafia devs than UTDR and had more Shay (lol) involvement
I really don't care about the devs, they kept their bullshit ideologies out of the game and that's what matters
>No living canon straight couples that are not robots
>Has canonical thussy
define canon, because for the first one there's Moray's parents (the "canon" thussy you're probably talking about, and he's the only one I saw)
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>>733604481
Two completely different game genres. Just because you are calling Impossible Game/Geometry Wars "platformers" doesnt mean they are.
I was just avoiding arguing semantics until now.
>>733604349
You are correct that all of the battles that aren't pure danmaku are homages to other games.
The combat in Undertale is not original.
The only original thing was using something other than the typical turn based combat in a 2D RPG.
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>>733602146
If Starlo is as much of a family friend as he appears in DRY, I could definitely see him calling Martlet that
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>>733604342
>Its still an expensive and difficult to replace compared to the nothing that I have to replace when something hits the steel side panel of my desktop
Eh, I checked online and it looks like it's only about 100 dollars to repair it *if* you break the screen, but that's easily circumvented by just not doing that.
>I've never seen a desk to could comfortable fit something like that in that position without being a tripping hazard or hitting my knees
My desk is a big corner desk thing from about 1000 years ago, it has dedicated holes in it for wires and such to go through to reach all the important stuff. I didn't by this desk for the deck either, I just got it because my old desk was a large white wooden slab on top of some stands it wasn't even directly attached to. That desk sucked.
>Storage doesn't count. I mean real upgrades like the ram and cpu, or raid cards, sound cards, network cards.
I dunno about all that specific stuff, but I've seen some pretty extensive upgrades people have done with their decks, so maybe all that other stuff is modifiable too.
Valve even made a video roughly showing off the insides of the steam deck after taking it apart manually, so it's not even like they don't want you to mess around with it or anything.
>It just seems like the worst of both worlds to me.
Meh, I guess that just depends on what you want out of a computer.
For me, this is basically a straight upgrade.
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>>733604767
>Just because you are calling Impossible Game/Geometry Wars "platformers" doesnt mean they are
Ok, but the blue soul segments in Undertale are also nothing like Geometry Wars.

>The combat in Undertale is not original.
Was anyone claiming it was?
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>>733604767
>Game/Geometry Wars "platformers" doesnt mean they are.
>I was just avoiding arguing semantics until now.
They don't even resemble those games, you can control your jumps and horizontal movement during those sections

>The combat in Undertale is not original.
It is, you failed to provide a game that did the same things as Undertale in a single game. If anything, Undertale is much closer to Mario & Luigi than it is to the games you provided
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>>733593224
I'm the anon you just replied
Keyword here is "favorite"
I'm not claiming the combat is the "best', I'm just saying it's one of my favorites out there.
I love turn based JRPGs but I hate the randomness in battles. It's a matter of the game's dice rolls if your characters dodge the attacks. UT/DR fixed that by giving you more control.

>>733593845
>he said it had the best combat of any game, at all
Anon, please reread that post >>733592910
I never made such claim
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>>733604865
>My desk is a big corner desk thing from about 1000 years ago
All my desks are antique too, and they have no cable management at all and barely any leg room because they were designed to handle books and paper, not devices.

>so maybe all that other stuff is modifiable too.
Not unless you want to break out the factory grade ball grid array soldering equipment, and even then you're limited to the tiny range of things the BIOS supports because its not designed to be upgraded. People upgrade the screen the shell, and the battery because those are things that can be easily (relatively) removed and replaced. The actual computer components are not replacable by anyone who isn't a electronics professional. And you can't attach add on cards at all. You have to use USB devices hooked to a chain of USB dongles.

>For me, this is basically a straight upgrade.
I guess if all you want is an internet terminal that plays games then it'll work. Again, sounds miserable to me. I'll take a 20 year old laptop over it any day
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>>733605519
I still think its silly to make an apples and oranges comparison like that, even if its purely personal preference.
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>>733605524
>I guess if all you want is an internet terminal that plays games then it'll work. Again, sounds miserable to me.
Man, I just wanna have my funny little computer that can do all the work I need it to do and play Halo 3 outside of that when I want it to, why are you being so mean to me?
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>>733605687
Because its destiny that we fight.

Also I'm an autist with a computer obsession.
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>>733605898
Well, none of the problems you said apply to me because the deck does everything I want it to, so meh.
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I can't even find that post of that anon who said that he liked my fic. That previous thread is just too long to dig through.
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>>733605645
I think you're getting worked up about the "comparisons".
If I say something like "I love Kirby Super Star's combat and Undertale's combat", I'm not doing a comparison here, just listing the combat systems that I love in gaming, despite both being widely different.
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>>733606240
You said that it was your favorite not just in RPGs, but in games in general, which sounded like a comparison to me. Fair enough if it isn't.
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Here's that sprite of that shoebill character than anon wanted to see, in case he missed it.
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>>733606158
I'm almost done reading it myself, I've got some good things to say about it and some constructive things if you'd be interested in hearing.
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>>733606507
I would be very interested.
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>>733601098
They would have hot lesbian soul sex.
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>>733607486
Toby...
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>>733599645
Asuming Wildfire and Naranja take place in the same world, what event made Val go to the underground instead of Riley?
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>>733607614
>heh, a bunch of people went missing on this mountain?
>i bet whatever's waiting there is pretty strong!
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>>733607532
If you want your games to be true Tobycore you need to have a lesbian ship between two humans (see Charisk)
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>>733607795
dess was human bros we're back.
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>>733607614
Val got deported by ICE in the Wildfire timeline
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>>733606564
ok just finished it

Overall I like it, there's "spirit" in it where you're clearly making effort to personify the characters, especially reynault, you put good effort into the action scenes to make them feel dynamic, and you set up different traits between the various monsters that played into how they got pranked. You had a varied cast and made sure the characters felt like different characters in the little time we had with them.

You called your writing bad in a post some threads ago, and it's not "bad" it's just that you need to take a moment to organize your thoughts and give structure to your story. You start a new line every time you hit a period, and honestly it would help you a lot to form proper paragraphs before you decide to break to the next line.
you did that thing where a character starts talking, and we have no indication of who's actually talking, which can work but you have to set it up just right or else it leaves the reader feeling like there's just a handful of talking heads in the room.

You've got a fundamentally worthwhile story being told here, it makes sense and feels like it's clearly moving in a unified direction, but it could use grouping the thoughts together, which will also help you with not needing to describe something twice. I was able to picture the scenery which works perfectly because you don't have to overdescribe the scene to get the reader doing that, I was able to visualize the fight, but keep an eye out for repeating words. I know it's probably fitting for Reynault to "snicker" but he did it 11 times, several of them back to back.

I think you should write more when you have time. The story is overall consistent and I don't feel a complete sense of "what's being told here?" as i'm going through.
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>>733607614
they both went, they just went to different parts of it
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>>733608119
thanks anon
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>>733607963
I'm afraid the other woman is the Vessel.
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Where did that kid go?
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>>733609443
What kid?
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>>733609189
Is there anything else youve written? I'd be down to give it a read, or of course if you come up with something in the future.
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>>733609547
Is his soul pure or does he view every monster as foe?
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Ketchup slilk
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>>733609556
No proper writing for Oldentale. I've done a bunch of greens for the threads though about various characters. A lot of Shu stuff. If you want I could post a zip full of txt files.
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>>733609946
I want snilk
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>>733610193
I wouldn't be mad to see a few greens.
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>>733610254
Those are fake, Quetzali is flat or almost flat
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>>733610482
they are real because I IMAGINE them to be
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>>733610436
here https://files.catbox.moe/fan3hl.zip
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>>733610643
Imagine them being real as much as you want, that won't chage the fact that her snitties barely exist
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>>733610727
she has massive fat snitties full of snilk
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>>733609231
Vessel is Dess theorists winning with their yuri selfcest now.
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Hope that green anon from last night returns soon.
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>>733610857
I'm sorry anon, not every monster girl can be a titty monster, some are on the smaller side, she can still have thick thighs and wide hips, just not big breasts
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>>733610695
>https://files.catbox.moe/fan3hl.zip
I gravitated to "Ceroba nightmare" first.

jesus fuck anon, that was "good" and I say it like that because I feel like I need a hug after reading that. I feel like I need a hug but I need to hug Ceroba even more.
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>>733611042
IMAGINation conquers all. I will manifest her fat snilky snitties and nothing will stop me.
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>>733611093
sorry if those aren't tagged or rated. Normally they'd be part of discussion, so the tone and topic would be obvious.
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>>733611093
>but I need to hug Ceroba even more.
But anon, what would Chujin say about his wife hugging strange men?
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It's shit. You either spam attack or you spam act. Those are your options. The bullet hell slop trivializes your characters statistics because your reaction speed matters more than stats.
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>>733611148
Imagination is serious business, you can't just go around imagining girls with huge boobs
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I'm taking green/writing requests. I've got a couple things I'm prioritizing this week for writing, but I'll work on them as the Dark Spirit of Undertale Yellow consumes me.

Give me some ideas you'd like to see and I'll see what I can do.

>>733611020
Hello anon, I assume you're talking about me since I didn't see any other greens in the thread. If not, I apologize but there's nobody but us dummies in here.
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>>733611314
>The bullet hell slop trivializes your characters statistics because your reaction speed matters more than stats.
That's what makes it good tho, its like any action RPG
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>>733611218
It's no issue anon, I've got an iron jaw for soul crushing moments. The waves of sorrow wash over me, and I become the ocean.
>>733611265
I'd hug him too, and tell him to shut up and be at peace.
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>>733611332
Ah, just the man I was looking for.
I "revised" my green idea from last night, as you allowed me to, I'll post it in just a sec.
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>>733611314
Good thing Naranja is shaping up to have unique gearing options that play into its own style
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>>733611218
NTA, but I went and read that green too, and man.
I was kinda expecting a resolution to all that, like her waking up and none of it being real, but nope.
An interesting choice, and decently well written.
But just, man.
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>>733592238
>Objectively more attractive than Chujin
>Rich
>Actually more mature than one might think and is only called immature for "acting like a cowboy"
>Doesn't screw over his family by killing himself
>A great friend
Why can't you all admit Ceroba was dumb for not choosing him?
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>>733611332

I'd like to see a Ceroba/Anon green where Anon has been overworking himself at his computer for a while and has been burning himself out, much to Ceroba's dismay and concern, and after a while of waiting for him to come to bed, she decides to come and pick Anon up out of his chair and take him away from his work forcibly so they can cuddle together as the anon puts up some meager half-awake attempt at resisting while insisting that he be put back so he can continue his work before succumbing to Ceroba's affection and falling asleep in her arms as she pets him softly while reassuring him that everything's gonna be okay and that she's there for him. I'd like the anon to sound really burnt out, like he's been working himself to the bone and staying awake for way longer than he should be, like he's really prioritizing his work over himself at this point. Maybe a bit like Gaster in [picrel], if you're cool with that.
No reason in particular don't think about it.
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>>733611332
Deltarune Chapter 3, but Starlo is also on Hometown's police force as a cadet, and provides backup to Undyne when they encounter the Knight.
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>>733611581
>I was kinda expecting a resolution to all that, like her waking up and none of it being real
Are you sure you read the whole thing?
>>733611447
Ironically, I don't. I remember reading one thing an anon posted in one of the threads and nearly catching a heart attack from it.
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>>733611323
Of course I can't just do that. I have to get them a massive ass, rock hard abs, and an amazing personality too.
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>>733612102
Oh, right, no yeah, I'm stupid.
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>>733600691
Seems pretty creative
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>>733611332
Chujin working at the Steamworks Research Facility with his antisocial colleague Gorgon Freemonster (who sounds almost exactly like Ross Scott of Accursed Farms)
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>>733611661
Starlo, having a bunch of farmland doesn't make you rich. We both know that the amount of profit you make from your farm in a year is barely enough to keep you afloat. Chujin had a high paying job and plenty of old money to keep him afloat.
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>>733611447
>>733611581
I'd like to hear your takes on the other stories.
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>>733612168
>I have to get them a massive ass
based
>rock hard abs
based too but I don't think every girl needs abs, bellies are nice too
>and an amazing personality too.
Alright, now you are just rambling, that's beyond the power of imagination
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>>733612485
I'll read another of them in a second. I'm still reeling from that nightmare one. I've got the stomach for it, but you can't say you digested a story like that if you don't take a moment to stare at god and ask him "why" you know?
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>>733612485
I think I read that "thumb pose" one when it was originally posted.
I think that's about the only time I've ever seen Shu depicted in a way that was actually kinda decent, so congrats on that one.
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>>733612543
>, bellies are nice too
They'll get those later, after I've spent some more intimate time with them.

> that's beyond the power of imagination
Nothing is beyond IMAGINation
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>>733611706
how old is this artwork...
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>>733612664
Imagining a great personality takes way more effort than the other stuff
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>>733612817
Like, 2018 or so, not that old.
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>>733600845
>>733601194
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>>733601970
is that sans undertales
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>>733612874
anon... that was 8 years ago
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>>733612954
Not that old.
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>>733600845
still one of my favorites
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>>733613024
Kanakill is my favorite verb.
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>>733613024
one time I was giggling at this image at work and a co-worker saw it looked like Undertale and asked to see it and I showed him and you could tell by his face he didn't know how to react
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>>733613054
I think genosliding is funnier, but only because you can use it in more contexts
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>>733613054
I always love clover's giant evil smile and his glowing justice eyes
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>>733612832
No, it enhances the effort. Fulfills it. Gives it true purpose.
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>>733612915
yeah he is doing you're moms
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>>733613290
I'm all for making the waifus more interesting, but that is much harder than giving them hot bodies
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>>733613438
Real talk, personality matters a lot, and I really do think waifus need it to reach maximum attractiveness.
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>>733613508
I agree, we all go awooga for a well designed character, but what makes that appeal last is the personality, I hope the dev anons don't fumble the writing of any of their characters
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>>733600845
>Speed Cola
>>733613274
>Juggernog
>>733613512
>Quick Revive
Noticing a pattern here.
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>>733613512
has anyone made a fangame in this style
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>>733613681
deltatraveler genocide
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>>733613681
I kinda wanna say DeltaTraveler, with some of the shit it does, but that feels a bit mean.
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>>733613720
you slap me on the knee
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>>733613724
those memes are a direct parody of deltatraveler
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Speaking of greens, I am quiet fond of any dalvkeepr content we get.
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>Elegy for Hallownest begins playing
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>>733611332
Oh, hey, since I still wanna get around to drawing something based on that Ceroba/Anon Valentine's green of yours (unless I'm mistaken and you're a different guy in which case whoops) at some point, do you have any part of the green in particular you'd want drawn?
Cause I was probably just gonna do the part where Ceroba and Anon are on the bed together, but I've already drawn stuff like that before so I wanted to know if you had any other parts you might want me to use instead.
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>>733613815
No, I'm pretty sure the patient zero that started this whole mess was an unironic version of the "Human, I remember you're genocides" thing, and that was from an actual thing IIRC.
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>>733613838
if u would ever like me to write more I would be happy to
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>>733614047
I genuinely would. I am taking direct notes on how to personify those two from what you do.
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>>733614047
I love how this is barely edited
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>>733613905
You know the moment where she's on the bed with her robe just barely covering her, right as anon takes her hand before she throws him onto the bed herself? That part makes me feel GOD I WISH THAT WAS ME. I imagine her sultry yet mischievous gaze. Anon being embarrassed about that fantasy of being fed the chocolates and seeing her somehow holding them, but most of all the absolute dumbstruck love before she pulls one last fast one on him.

beyond that I just think it's really cool that you want to draw something.
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>>733614434
>You know the moment where she's on the bed with her robe just barely covering her, right as anon takes her hand before she throws him onto the bed herself?
Hmmmm.
That is great, but also I have been working on an entirely unrelated thing of Ceroba lying seductively on a bed while inviting the viewer to join her, so I'd have to brainstorm a way to make a drawing of this sufficiently different from the thing that I'm already doing right now.
But yes, that's a great idea and I'll find a way to do it once I do a few other things and am feeling mildly less sapped. Been a not great week for me.

Also, uh, hope that green idea I posted wasn't too uh. Out there, you know.
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>>733614434
>tail
not my roba
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>>733614206
u got it, I'll be turning some of my comic scripts into greens

im suprised that I'm becoming a source for dalv lore I always try being as close to how he acts in the game as possible
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We need more defensive Spells for pacifist players. TP is an utmost requirement and there should be party members.
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>>733611706
>like he's been working himself to the bone and staying awake for way longer than he should be, like he's really prioritizing his work over himself at this point.
>>733614740
No that's not overdoing it at all, I just felt a complicated mix of emotions reading this line.
>>733615237
for me personally, it's just since we spend so little time with him in game, I have a hard time feeling out the rest of who he is. Your interpretation feels fitting, while still expanding on giving him more interactions. When I've tried writing him before seeing your stuff I just felt lost on how to actually handle him.
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>>733615220
Art book says she COULD have one single tail, as a treat, hidden away. A man can dream.
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>>733615389
>there should be party members.
Party members are good, but you can also give the player additional action points per turn, that's what Naranja and Wildfire did
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>>733615435
>No that's not overdoing it at all, I just felt a complicated mix of emotions reading this line.
Ah, sorry to hear you can relate.
I was honestly debating whether I should've asked for this green just because it's definitely a bit more, specific, for lack of a better word, than the first one I requested (not to mention effectively being a very verbose version of "now draw her telling me everything is going to be okay"), but if you're still willing to do it, I'd love to see your take on it.
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>>733615482
NTA, but since the idea of Kitsune's tails being tied to their intelligence is a common idea thrown around here a bit, imagine being with Ceroba when she grows a new tail, like how excited and proud she'd be.
That could be nice.
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Toby shit need harder bullet patterns for god sake. Why can't he hire a bullet hell designer? This game is freaking easy
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>>733615801
>Why can't he hire a bullet hell designer?
he did for chapter 5
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>>733613654
I hope I don't either
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>>733614019
THeyy're called cathartic edits as a parody of cathartic Sans from section 3 of Deltatraveler
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>>733615801
that's what you complain out of everything?
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>>733611380
action "RPGs" aren't RPGs. RPGs are about playing the role of a character, not reaction speed.
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>>733615727
>while dating Ceroba you work up the courage to ask her if you can touch fluffy tail
>you're worried you're being too forward since you aren't intimate yet, but you can't help yourself.
>she gets upset, and you find out it's not because you're a bit weird.
>it's relieving on one hand, but she talks about what it means for a kitsune to have no tail
>you let your autism overtake you, motivating her to study, and drilling her on basic competence.
>your tard wife WILL get fluffy tail and so will you, the long hours teaching her basic math are worth it.

this is silly.
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>>733614047
>>733613512
>>733613274
sans undertales won't like kindnesses
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>>733616128
going by your logic, if the player is playing as a character with low int, then you shouldn't be able to come up with tactics that actually work, RPGs are about playing the role of a character, not logic.
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>>733616128
Faggot
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>>733615662
it is all good. Writing a story that makes my own heart twist in longing is existence.
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>>733615389
I had a lot of ideas for spells since my game stars a monster. Of course spells that act as crutches for people who dodge like shit would be there.
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>>733616168
She's not a tard...
Don't say that about her...
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>>733616168
knowledge = / = intelligence
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>>733616382
practicing to use your brain, building problem solving skills, improves intelligence. Teaching her to put a square block in a square hole is intense training for her
>>733616361
Anon I...
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>>733615801
Undertale is fine as is. Most people who play RPGs are not and will not ever be able to beat a true bullet hell. I think they aren't fun at all. Undertale is fun precisely because its easy by bullet hell standards. It allows me to actually have fun, rather than to punish and abuse myself for days until I beat one boss and progress the game by 30 minutes.
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>>733616284
Alright, glad to hear it.
I look forward to reading it, followed by the inevitable hour or so afterwards where I sit at my desk in silence as I attempt to process the indescribable pain of existence.
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>>733616128
You do play the role of a character in Undertale, and in Deltarune for that matter. And you play the role of a character in most action RPGs too. Filling out spread sheets and doing math isn't playing a character, its busy work you do to enable playing a character.
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>>733616469
She's smarter than that, stop it!!!!
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>>733616469
Kanako's expression here is priceless
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>>733616263
That's an actual thing in many rpgs and gamebooks. Don't have the pilot skill? then you can't pilot a jet because you don't know how.
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>>733612561
>>733612643
well I'd still like to hear from you whenever (if ever) you do read them
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>>733616762
Yeah but if you character is dumb you shouldn't be able to play "smart", your character stop equipping the right items and taking advantage of weaknesses in enemies
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>>733616792
I'll be sure to shout my thoughts at no one in particular at like, three in the morning, when I read the rest of them.
But I gotta read the thing Oldentale Anon wrote before that, and I still gotta finish the saga of the immortal baby trapped in concrete first. That one's surprisingly long.
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>>733616792
I'm going to read more of them here shortly, I'm assuming you posted these before I started coming to the threads because I had never seen them before.
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>>733615482
Why is she eating a bucket of chicken?
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>>733616950
>Oldentale Anon
That's me
>>733616986
Maybe, they are a bit old
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>>733617024
Japanese people love KFC
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>>733616298
What do you think of this spell idea? What if you had a spell that lets you gain more tp but doubles damage receives from bullets?
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>>733617079
Oh.
Well, guess you added a lot to the pile, huh?
I'm about halfway through the thing about the baby, so I could maybe get to your stuff tonight if I still have the energy, which I already don't have a whole lot of right now.
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>>733617286
Could work. Only I'm still not sure if I'm going to implement a TP system. I may do something else.
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>>733616792
I read emperor shu and shu does the thumb pose
Shus explanations of how the humans deal with the sun is hilarious.
for the thumb pose, it's funny that the first time he managed to do damage in his life was just angrily attacking, I also love that the delayed damage technique nanto shu, actually worked, it was just worthless.
even if he's a jobber, he still bought the human time, he should be proud, and maybe the human can be grateful even if his savior was shu
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>>733615482
>Look up artist for more UTY shit
>It's size fetish art everywhere
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>>733618250
It could be worse, at least its not scat
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>>733618250
...But was there any UTY shit?
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>>733618250
I should have seen that coming. Roba isn't drawn there in a way that makes me expect that, so I just held out hope that it was just a silly image "haha roba eating kfc"
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>>733618302
Don't start.
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>>733618383
fetid flower
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>>733618407
Your mind tricks won't work on me because I don't know what that is, begone vile fart smella.
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>>733618610
There is an artist that had a twitter full of their own take on Deltarune Yellow, anons thought the take itself was too angsty and it had a lesbian Kanako but they liked the art anyway, later we discovered that the artist had a secret alt account (named fetid flower) in which they uploaded scat art
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Hey, don't let the thread sink, it's not even at 400 posts yet!
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>>733619457
We need a topic to discuss, is it time to begin horny posting about Naranja again? do we have to bring up Undertail Naranja for this thread to last?
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>>733619515
I don't know how many different ways there are to say weird things about Zaer, but if anyone else wants to contribute to such a conversation, by all means.
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in truth I'd rather not think about that artist. I was all in on their more surreal art but now I'd rather find something else to think about.

Like Dadjin. I think Despite everything, if there was a situation where pacifist clover and chujin met and had to spend time around eachother without one killing the other being an option, chujin would come to like clover.
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>>733617636
>"Hank's sperm has claimed another victim"
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>>733618162
for the damage thing, my thinking was that damage is based on intent to cause harm more than anything and that monsters are governed by emotion instead of physics, so a monster who's angry to the point of crying is going to do more damage than one who's real intent is to impress people, since he has more hatred in his heart.

Also that emperor Shu green is supposed to be an underfell version of Shu
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>>733619560
I was thinking more along the lines of Undertail Val using Pastra as a onahole as soon as he sees her, which is what causes the battle to start in this context
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>>733619585
>733619585
God, that fuckin' Martlet design is still just hysterical.
I still wanna see a world where everything in UTY is exactly the same, but Martlet looks like that.
Imagine the Zenith form.

Imagine the unbirthing art.
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>>733618250
I wouldn't mind if its size stuff of zartlet. Is there any?
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>>733619742
>which is what causes the battle to start in this context
To start?
That's how the battle starts?
No escalation, just straight to the point?
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>>733618407
>>733618772
you know he must be real proud of that name
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>>733619791
Well you know how "battles" work in Undertail, there is not much Pastra can do when someone is literally fucking her brain
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>>733619515
What if Quetzali suddenly grew massive tits in her anthro form? Like imagine if she messed up her shapeshifting somehow, and grew absolutely massive sloshing snitties in the process.
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>>733619709
that makes sense, he's been training himself wrong as a joke

>the emperor shu green
>the trick is, he wasn't lying about any of it, humans just forgot that they used to have to dig underground to survive the sun
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>>733619585
I like Dadjin with Chujin as the father in law. Chujin can't get rid of Clover, so he decides to make him the best man he can possibly be for Kanako.
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>>733619560
Not that weird, but I wonder how Zaer must feel to the touch, he is made of rock, but at the same time he can contort his face to change facial expressions, he can't be fully rigid rock if that's the case
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>>733619862
I feel like this version of Val wouldn't just go sticking his dick in *everything*, it'd have to actually appear to be like, a person, right?
Maybe the fight with Pastra would start mostly normally, but Val whips out his dick instead of his soul, and things progress from there.
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>>733619862
Is the jar her brain? I was under the impression she was like a worm, and had her brain spread throughout her body.
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>>733619875
It would be funnier if she grew tits in her snake form, or maybe she got a "naga" form for messing up her shapeshifting and that form would be the one with the massive snitties
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>>733619948
Maybe he's just very firm, but squishy if you apply enough force.
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>>733619886
>the trick is, he wasn't lying about any of it, humans just forgot that they used to have to dig underground to survive the sun
As funny as that would be, none of what he said is true. Besides, its not lying if you genuinely believe all the bullshit you're spouting.
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>>733619925
I like that too, I'm just a bit flexible on the scenario overall. Chujin coming to see that Clover embodies the opposite of what he thinks humans are after the snowdin incident.

Clovers a good kid, and Martlet assumably, is raising him the best she can, but Chujin notices the way Clover looks at him, almost admiring his work at times, other times shying away from Axis. Chujin decides to spend some time with this human, get to know him a bit better.
Maybe christmas with the human wasn't so bad after all.
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>>733619957
>it'd have to actually appear to be like, a person, right?
The jar had a face, that should be enough for Val

>>733619994
I mean, her brain must be inside that jar if she is all compressed inside of it, chances are Val's dick is going to touch it
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>>733620026
Maybe she grew massive snilk tanks to be hotter in her anthro form, but then couldn't figure out how to make them go away when she shifted back to her snake form, so now she has serious trouble moving around because of the massive leaky snilk balloons she has to drag across the floor.
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>>733620048
So basically muscles, but more dense
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>>733620138
That's implying she has one singular concetrated brain though. If she's a fungus, maybe thinking is spread throughout her entire body.
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>>733620138
>The jar had a face, that should be enough for Val
Yeah, but he also can't apparently open the jar before the fight starts, so he wouldn't be able to stick his dick in it before she emerged anyway.
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>>733620242
The idea is still the same then, his dick is hitting some part of her "brain"
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>>733620216
Much more dense, probably.
Real question though, would his dick be purple, like the crystals growing out of him?
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>>733620173
>so now she has serious trouble moving around because of the massive leaky snilk balloons she has to drag across the floor.
This wouldn't be a problem if she were a naga instead of a feral snake
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>>733620325
Perhaps if he had some weird animal dick, but I think it's more likely only the glands would be purple, the rest would be the same as his skin
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>>733620476
Hm, I guess.
I feel like it'd be a little, I wanna say anticlimactic, to just give him a normal human penis with him being a rockman, but I guess that's a problem for later.
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>>733620628
As an alternative, he could have fully purple tapering penis coming from a slit
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>>733620764
Hm.
That could work.
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>>733619457
I genuinely have nothing to add at this point

my project is nowhere near the point I'm comfortable showcasing anything and it's going way slower than I wish
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>>733620865
What's your project?
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>>733619925
ah!
>Chujin at first being frustrated about his daughter getting closer and closer to the human, they aren't openly dating yet but he's not retarded
>ok well sometimes, but regardless
>He calls Clover into his shop one day, doesn't give him a grand talk or anything like that, but if he's going to have to put up with this human, he's going to have to learn how to be handy around the house.
>carpentry, electronics, fixing pipes, he wont be around forever, at the very least...
>he's astounded though, with how serious Clover takes it all, listening to all of his instructions, following safety procedures.
>except one time, kid fucks up, nearly electrocutes himself. touches a live wire and his hand clamps down. Chujin snaps the wire, shocking himself pretty bad before going over to heal clover, hoping he's not hurt too bad.
>as the green magic does it's work, it hits Chujin that he's using green magic, on a human of all things.
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What if Arthur Dent fell into the underground?
What would his soul trait be?
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>>733620990
fangame
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>>733621397
fangame about what?
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>>733621397
Oh, one of the devanons.
Well, even if your project isn't ready to show off today, or tomorrow, or the day after that, or after a lot of days that come after that day, I'm sure you'll have something to show off before too long.
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>>733621430
tales from the under
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>>733621575
>pǝuoiʇuǝɯ ɐilɐɹʇsnɐ
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>>733621365
(you) probably. It just seems fitting for that hapless coward to be dragged around by you on his adventures in the setting.

Wait, this sounds familiar
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>>733621759
Eh, Arthur Dent took charge of his own life a few times here and there.
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>>733621752
south american ackchyually
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>>733619585
>"Has anyone seen the egg I left here?"
>mysteriously egg shaped Martlet: "nope"
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>>733621824
˙ɐilɐɹʇsnɐ ƃuiǝq ',,ɹǝpun uʍop puɐl ǝɥʇ,, oʇ ƃuiɹɹǝɟǝɹ ǝsɹnoɔ ɟo ',,ɹǝpun ǝɥʇ,, piɐs noY
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>>733621806
By the end of the story, sure. But that's after he's been through a character arc. Also don't remember if he did that in the novel. I know the novel is a lot more cynical than the movie.
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>>733621897
I was afraid it could be understood like that
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Shading makes me wanna take my head off with a fucking twelve gauge but I'm finishing this fuckin' drawing if it kills me.
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>>733621947
>Also don't remember if he did that in the novel. I know the novel is a lot more cynical than the movie.
I meant like, broadly, across the series. At some point.
It's been a minute since I read them all, and I still have to read "And Another Thing", but you get the picture.
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>>733622004
That's what you get for sharing a hemisphere with them.
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>>733622081
I've only read Hitchhiker's Guide to The Galaxy. Not any of the sequels. I know the Earth wasn't rebuilt in it and the mice got away unscathed.
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its round
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>>733622191
Hyperactive Nako is fundamentally cute.
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>>733622187
>I know the Earth wasn't rebuilt in it and the mice got away unscathed.
Eh, sorta.
I forget about the mice, but the last book's on earth after the Vogon's came and went, though I also forget the exact context of that.
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How would Clover and the Nako spend time together (other than Rated 4 for 4chan answers). I figure Clover would want to go do things like fishing which I'm sure they would do sometimes, but neither of them strike me as the "get up to actual trouble" kind of kids that I grew up with. I mean in DRY they do but it's not the same, those are situations they get thrust into

I want to say clover probably isn't much of a gamer, but you can potentially spend a lot of time on mew mew love blaster.
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>>733622790
I imagine a lot of it would just be them messing around in the wild east. Kanako accompanying Clover while he does his cowboy larp, Clover accompanying Kanako while she does things around the house. Maybe they could play vidya, maybe Kanako would get Clover to pose for drawings, maybe they could watch movies together.
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>>733622790
anon please don't remind me of how I don't actually know what normal people do as friends
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>>733622790
drink bleach, run with knives, play in the street, jump off cliffs
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Hey guys, it's me, back again to post some arts!
Took some time for me to finish one specific request.
And another one which didn't take to long.

So without further ado, here's the images for your viewing.

Continuation of the DRY Kanako x Cole series of images.
So a couple weeks ago, when I was open to taking a request for Valentines day.
The most popular requests was for me to do a follow up to the Kanako x Clover images I already did.
So that's exactly what I worked on, and this image is part 3, yes you heard that right, part 3.
There's one more part, and I'm sure you guys can guess what will happen in it.
Also this image is quite saucy.
You can view it here:
https://files.catbox.moe/1pq4z5.png

This next request is a bit of a unique one, since I wasn't asked to draw something, rather add lines and colour to an already drawn image.
I'm not sure if the request came from the original drawanon, or someone else, but I was asked to add lines to a fanart based on my Martlet and Clover drawings.
I'm sure some of you guys may have seen the original fanart, which was a fan contribution based on the Martlet Game Over with Flowey commentary.
In any case I was incredibly appreciative of the fan contribution, and if the request came from the original drawanon, this is my way of saying thank you!
You can view the image here:
https://files.catbox.moe/s79r7d.png

And that's all for now!
I think I can take some new requests now, so feel free to send me some, while I work on some other requests!
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>>733622942
that makes sense, maybe mess with the feistyj five from time to time, get caught up in the nonsensical "missions". maybe if the barrier was broken Clover would ask to go visit waterfall one day, since his journey underground skipped that. Something that had grown old for kanako, being unable to see the stars in the sky and just having to imagine when she looked at the ceiling of the cavern, so she just doesn't get it. They go however, and Kanako is stunned because the fake stars almost seem real, reflected in Clovers eyes
>>733623005
I apologize anon, the people I knew growing up were maladjusted so I just kept thinking "no clover would actually not get drunk and climb on top of the school"
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>>733623161
>2nd one

what the fuck.
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>>733623116
hmm, yes yes of course that does sound like what children do. Especially the bleach part
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>>733623315
Maybe he should label it as macro next time.
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>>733623161
impressive work as always, even if that one is not quite my thing. I will request Martlet in a nice dress again, and continue doing so even if the request never comes to life. Bird in a dress sounds quite nice to me.
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>>733623161
>2nd one

why do I click these links anyway
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>>733623161
So there's a design of Martlet here, where she's a bit chubby and looks different from her original design.
Can you draw that version of Martlet unbirthing Clover?
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>>733623245
I feel Clover is naughtier than he seems at first given how he escaped home to larp as a cowboy
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>>733623425
I knew exactly what it was, the moment that game over gif was mentioned.
I still clicked the link, cause might as well, I already knew what to expect.
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>>733623486
I guess I could see that. I think the getting drunk example might be a little extreme but he DID drink bleach in one death so there is that.
>Clover sneaking out because there's something he wants to see, and doesn't think he'll get permission if he asks
>Kanako sneaks out after him to follow
>the two of them have to hide from ??? when they get in deep shit
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>>733623161
>flowey in the top left
would make a good reaction image on its own for some of these conversations.
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>>733623161
The first image with Kanako is god tier, the second image may not be my thing, but it looks nice regardless.
Knowing that the second image was simply you adding lines and colour to it, I can safely say, that I much prefer your approach to how you draw these kinds of drawings.
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>>733622013
>pic
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>>733624016
Wait, no, don't get hyped, it's not sex.
I guess it's like a pinup?
I dunno.
Just, you know, don't expect the world.
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>>733622013
she says this to chujin as she holds a bottle of sake and a bucket of fried chicken
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>>733623368
The Martlet Drawanon doesn't really draw that kind of stuff, I'm pretty sure this was just a one time thing, simply just to show thanks.
At the very least anyone familiar with their stuff knew what was being referenced, so they wouldn't be blindsided.
I'd prefer this than having to click another link that results in me seeing that cursed Ceroba image again.
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>>733623161
Yeah that image was saucy alright. Pretty excited to see what the final image with Kanako and Cole is going to look like.
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>>733623405
I wouldn't say it will never happen. I made the Martlet bathing with Cole request, and that took some time before it got done.
The drawanon clearly puts a lot of effort into each single drawing, so if they do draw it, I'm sure the drawfag would want it to look really good.
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>>733623161
Draw this Martlet redesign in Zenith form.
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>>733624697
I know I know, I just think that most of the other requests have a much higher power level, so even if people are requesting stuff like that, I'm still thinking of Martlet in a dress.
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>>733623161
Can I request you draw a hot pic of a nude Martlet or Zenith Martlet.
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>>733624795
I hope zenith egglet is built like normal zenith, but with tattered pilot's clothes on, because the idea of that silly little egg turning into sexy bombshell zartlet is funny
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>>733624893
what's funny, is that the artist didn't even know about Zartlet when they drew this borb.
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>>733624893
What if the reverse happened?
Normal Martlet takes the DT syringe and turns into a giant blue oval? What then?
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>>733623161
>>733624795
Draw this egglet Martlet and her Zenith egglet form unbirthing Clover.
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>>733624928
Draw both. Martlet turning into zegglet, and egglet turning into Zartlet (pilot suit)
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>>733624795
>* (Well, there is a man here.)
>* (He offered you something.)
>Yes <3
>* (You received a Martlet.)
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>>733623161
How about something wholesome like Martlet holding a baby bird Clover.
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>>733623161
More Martlet breastfeeding Clover
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I was going to have Clover shake someones hands because first that's a normal thing to do, but also it feels like a gruff cowboy would shake another mans hands etc etc, but he doesn't really do stuff like that. There's the finger guns with Starlo but only with him of course.
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>>733625376
>I was going to have Clover shake someones hands
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Sexy bird
https://files.catbox.moe/oye00u.jpg
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>>733594176
Undertale Octaroon
>>733612436
>barely enough
He went and bought a gun above market price for a kid he just met. I think he's fine. He also canonically robs people and claims it's "taxes"
>>733613508
This man gets it.
>>733621074
Clover becoming Chujin's apprentice is a great dynamic, and I like how you set this up.
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>>733625643
>He also canonically robs people and claims it's "taxes"
That's called "taxes".
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>>733625643
>He went and bought a gun above market price for a kid he just met
He just has really bad impulse control. Like those furries who spend all their rent money on commissions.
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>>733625643
it feels like a fun idea, not too forced or anything. Think there's next to no Clover and Chujin stories out there sadly as it stands.
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>>733625923
what about that artist that is now doing a underfell AU where everyone is red but chujin still adopts clover?
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>>733625962
Sometimes that guys art bothers me, but despite everything I still keep an eye on it because it always seems to be just pure hearted Dadjin.

I also think he probably has a habit of starting and never finishing things so I have to rely on my own IMAGINATION since no one really cares about Dadjin or Dadjin in law.
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>>733623161
There's been an idea in my head for a while now, but never really got the chance to request it.
So my request is a scene of Martlet and Zenith Martlet talking about their respective Clover's, and their life changing interactions with him.
Like Martlet could be talking about how she became pregnant with Clover being all happy, whereas Zenith may be a bit hesitant to share the details about how it came to be in her case.
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>>733622790
I can imagine them being pranksters in the vein of Tom Sawyer and his friends, with Clover pranking less often but in unexpected ways that catches Kanako off-guard. They both seem to love the outdoors so that's where they would spend most of their time.
>>733623161
>1st one
Kanako just can't deal with her heat, huh....
>2nd
That's a big Martlet
>>733623347
If anyone would do that, it would be Clover.
>>733625962
It wouldn't be as creepy without the blush.
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>>733625962
One of these days we're gonna find this guy's alt.
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>>733626282
>It wouldn't be as creepy without the blush.
glad I'm not alone there, then there's the tail wagging. I'm trying to be generous here, but it's hard after that one artist recently that we've talked enough about, but maybe the artist just doesn't know how to express these things and felt like "blush = embarrassment" and "Tail wag = happy despite that" and it's nothing more sinister than that.
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>>733623161
Anon experiences death by snu snu because of Zartlet.
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>>733595354
nta hows the game? i want to play to it
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>>733626594
It's pretty good.
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>>733626594
it's a bit short being a demo, but it's a really solid demo so far. Kind of difficult, which is a plus for some downside for others, but it's neat.
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>>733626594
Its fun, but very obviously an incomplete alpha
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Which character (across any of the games) would dance like this? https://youtu.be/yR8qd1h-tk4?t=60

>>733626594
Short but really good. The gameplay is one of the most ambitious and unique out of any UTDR game. It's definitely worth trying though it's hard.
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>>733626867
Mettaton would dance like the girl, The feistyj five may dance like the others.
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>>733623161
Can we have an image of bird Clover using your design, looking at himself in a mirror and taking in the big changes he's undergone.
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Welp, it's finished.
This took way too long, but here's some garbage no one asked for.
Ceroba lying on a bed inviting you to join her (sfw): https://files.catbox.moe/7ms06f.png
Ceroba lying on a bed inviting you to join her (nsfw): https://files.catbox.moe/7opnxs.png

Not much to say about these, probably could've done better in a number of different ways, but it is how it is.
Figure I'll probably open requests again after I do like, a few more drawings.
In the meantime, happy extremely belated Valentine's day, and goodnight.
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>>733627438
Happy late valentines day anon, and thank you for the art. The Heart pillow barely covering her is paradise. Thank you for the art
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>>733615482
I like this artist and I wish he was still around.
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>>733623161
Hot damn you really went all in on the Kanako x Cole.
I can only imagine what the final part will look like.
If it's related to Valentine's day, then I guess that's Cole's gift.
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>>733624125
that's even better
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>>733623161
Do you think you could do a bird family photo with Clover and Martlet.
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>>733627438
catbox is dying and keeps failing to load
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>>733628252
Well, they're on esix now, so you can check them out over there if catbox keeps giving you trouble.
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>>733627438
Happy Valentine's Day! The old adage about rushed games holds true for art too which makes me glad you took your time. I personally prefer the suggestive one.
>>733628252
Refreshing repeatedly worked for me.
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>>733628363
Thanks for the kind words, I appreciate it.
I personally think I could've done better if I put some more real effort into it, shading's always a nightmare and I'm still not happy with how I draw snouts, but it happens.
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>>733627438
tiddies a bit too big in my opinion
I swear I'm not gay
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>>733629551
You are.
You are gay.
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>>733629551
there's no answer but to call you gay, by law, however I personally like both small and big tits, and part of me understands when a flat chested character gets drawn with big dodongos.
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>>733629620
they're disproportionate
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>>733629551
I found it funny how they're so large and protruding that Ceroba doesn't even use a chest wrap the regular way. She has them wrapped separately, all the way around like a pair of balloons, and that's hilarious. Oh, and you're gay.
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>>733629687
>She has them wrapped separately, all the way around like a pair of balloons, and that's hilarious.
Ah, that's actually because of a super special secret to my drawing process...

I have no idea what the hell I'm doing at any given time.
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>>733629787
t.
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>>733629827
Basically, yes.
Someday I'll become a decent artist, but that day will not be soon.
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>>733623161
Both versions of Bird Clover talking to eachother about how Martlet turned them into a bird monster.
As well as what the experience was like for the two of them.
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>>733629682
I'm sorry anon, the thread's spoken, you're gay now.
It's been assigned to you, you don't get a say in the matter.
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>>733630059
Eh, fair.
Well, onto my next project, which hopefully won't take nearly as long.
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>>733629787
>spoiler
you too, huh
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>>733630136
Yep.
I try, but art's hard.
I am improving though, my latest garbage is leagues better than the garbage I was making around the middle of last year, and even more leagues better than what I was making before that.
Just gotta keep improving.
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Hey Oldentale anon. if you're around, I'm still working on that story, I've got chapter 1 done, and am working on the first chapter that will actually get into "the story".
Would you like me to refrain from putting this on ao3? I can post it in a Rentry here in a bit or I can wait until I've finished the second chapter that will get into the actual play.
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>>733630250
get this man a true!
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>>733630896
Huh.
Interesting way of putting that, reminds me of someone.
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>>733631091
>Gay levels are off the charts, we've never seen anyone who likes it up the butt this hard before!
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>>733631165
I just want the art fren to get better with proportions...
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>>733631319
sometimes the messenger must suffer terrible fates to deliver his message
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>>733631319
Well maybe I just like impractically large tits.
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>>733617295
I started reading it, then I saw the audacity of how long the scroll bar was. I was curious because that Omelas discussion inspired me to write a small thing the other day, and now I'm mad
>it even ties 173 in
The SCP foundation is objectively evil, not because of what they do, but because this article should not be this long.

What characters would be into scp. I think Clover would just not fucking get it.
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come on guys just more 20 posts
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>>733634459
I'm reading the dumbest shit imaginable because I'm too sleepy to write anymore tonight.
I would much rather be thinking about the foxes and birds.
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Sex with Fem Val and Fem Clover.
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I thought this WAIT was going to be less painful but it turns out I was wrong.
I wish it comes out by july but I know it's not happening.

Anyway, when that happens I think we should have a separate thread on /vrpg/ to discuss it with the usual anons here
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>>733634787
what, for deltarune itself? we do well to keep the deltarune and the fangame discussions separated. Something something, soul bravo.
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>>733633146
Eh, if Clover's willing to kill or die for what they consider to be "the greater good", then they could align themself with the Foundation, depending on the circumstance.
Anyway, look, sometimes you just have to seal an immortal baby in a concrete block, it's how it is sometimes.
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>>733611759
>>733612283
Each of these have gone into the almighty stack. To be explored as the Dark spirit of UTY consumes my soul.
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>>733635302
Tight.
I also have another Ceroba/Anon idea for the next time you take requests, if you're still willing to put up with my nonsense by then.
The idea I have in mind for then is at least less obviously pathetic, if nothing else.
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>>733635282
No anon, you misunderstand. I don't mean "if the foundation was real" I mean if it existed as it does for us, if someone tried to explain that article to him. Clover would not browse the SCP wiki
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>>733635432
>I mean if it existed as it does for us
He doesn't know...
>Clover would not browse the SCP wiki
Just you wait until I show them SCP 2158.
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>>733635364
The nonsense is always welcome. I am built, head to toe, from sentimental nonsense. I look forward to doing each of these ones, I'm just going to pace myself better this week instead of banging my head on the keyboard asking why my 5th iteration of something doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
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>>733635570
>I'm just going to pace myself better this week instead of banging my head on the keyboard asking why my 5th iteration of something doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
Of course, take your time, I look forward to seeing each of them as you complete them, especially the Ceroba/Anon one so I can read it and imagine what being loved feels like.
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>>733635541
you would show Clover that article, he'd think it was super cool and ask you where to find that gun (because magic is real), and then when you can't produce another gun and go to show him the absolute fucking mountain of text the
I personally like a lot of scp but god damn I've been checking out the X series and these writers are incapable of getting to the point.
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>>733635664
>then when you can't produce another gun and go to show him the absolute fucking mountain of text the
I think the other end of this sentence got blinked out of existence.
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>>733635664
>I personally like a lot of scp but god damn I've been checking out the X series and these writers are incapable of getting to the point.
Yeah, that's fair.
A lot of SCP's are pretty hit or miss these days.
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>>733635810
Uh, I mean, I can't wait to read it so I can feel normal™ about it, like a normal™ person who's completely fine and isn't sad at all.
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>>733635790
>either huge redactions over paragraphs just to say "woooo look we redacted it" or redacting stuff that doesn't matter and logically can't be used for any purposes whatsoever but "it's a data point so I'm supposed to redact it because this is scp right?"
exhausting honestly.
>>733635767
what's worse Is I have no memory of what that sentence was supposed to be. I guess it got redacted.
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>>733635929
>I guess it got redacted.
See, now you're doing it too.

The real joke of this all is that the Foundation is actually real and they run the wiki so they can discredit anything anyone says about real anomalies as just being fiction.
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Alright, good thread everyone, good stuff this time around.
See you all next time.
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>>733635908
good luck out there anon/s
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>>733636119
You too.
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Oh hey, if anyone's still in the thread, you got any thought's on what that one anon a while back said about Zaer's penis?
Should it be a human-styled penis, or a tapered penis that comes out of a slit?
I mean, he's a rock monster thing, so neither one of these is technically more accurate than the other, but I feel like one of them would *look* better.
I'm kinda leaning towards the slit, him having a slit sounds cute.
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>>733636308
I wish you all luck on your freaky zaer penis discussions, but I pray that overall zaer discussion does not always center on his penis for some cursed reason.
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>>733636376
>for some cursed reason.
Haha, yeah, some reason...
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>>733636425
someone wanting to fuck zaer and talk about his penis is one thing. If for the next 3 years any time discussion of Zaers role in the story, dynamic with Val, how he plays into the ending and so on turn into conversations about his penis, I'm going to redact you. Especially if you aren't a part of those conversations and it becomes self propagating.
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>>733636462
>I'm going to redact you.
Do whatever you want, you can't unmilk his cock.
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>>733636490
It's never too late for retribution.
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>>733636585
My boy...
I created that image...
You cannot possibly use it's power against me...
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>>733636673
you will not fall onto your sword by mere accident. No, you will be thrown from the top of a building onto it.
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>>733636734
Strike me down, and I shall become more powerful than you could ever imagine...
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I have already begun my work on my Zaer image, no one can stop what has been set in motion.
Even if someone beats me to the finish line, one of the first NSFW images of Zaer will be him in restraints, begging and panting with exhaustion as every last drop of his essence is mercilessly milked out of him for hours on end.

It is inevitable.
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>>733623161
Either form of Martlet laying the egg that Clover become while she was pregnant with him.
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>>733637036
Based
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