Fallout 4 was too intelligent for its core audience.
>>733599786uhh, shaun? lay off the spray tans, big guy
>>733600147He's just wearing black face in honor of his predecessors Justin Trudeau and Jimmy Kimmell
>>733599786You wouldn't get it.
>>733599786I still don't understand what the Institute actually hopes to achieve with Synths.
>>733600482free synth pussy for everyone
Fallout 4 was wasted on New Vegas fans >muh heckin dialoog trees
>>733600482They wanted to restore society but it requires manpower they don't have. They have an isolation so they aren't going to hire the random trash people from the Commonwealth to do it all. So they have to 3D print synthetic people to get their work done. It's basically what Elon Musk is trying to do
>>733600603>looter shooter was wasted on people who want an rpgwell, yeah
>>733600482Control, anon. It's really fucking obvious.
>>733600603>>733600881i like enclave
>>733599786Why is he in jeetface?
>>733600881It's an RPG.
>>733600973>>733600551i liek twains
You wouldn't understand... because we don't even understand.
>>733600603I took care of those raiders for you.
>>733601117how abou encwave twain
>>733599786the Institute talk about their goals like sales people pitching a product to investors where they have no idea what it is they're pushing beyond vague cliffnotes they've read
>>733601267kinda based
>>733600603Hate newspapers.
>>733600603the only thing they added was "decent" gunplay, after streamlining everything else related to RPG's they decided to waste a ton of time making a half-baked settlement systemyou farm 10000 settlements and check your supply of tato's, every settlement has 5 tato plantsfor some reason, the developers thought that you shouldn't be able to go past a certain cap, basically forcing you to either download mods or spam huge amounts of said plants/purified water makersand it's not like they care about balance or they wouldn't have let you spam fence posts for free XP, the entire system is completely RAW and terribly done, terribly balanced, and tedious with how quickly places get attackedplaces you can't build defences for because they spawn INSIDE THE BUILD ZONEthis super mutant order? Yeah, this was the developers thought process during the entire game development
>>733601267I think Evil Pagliacchi didn't really know where to go with it except that he was supposed to do morally grey but doesn't understand what that means beyond 'goodbad'.
>>733601267That's because the writers came up with their name, all their designs, and the big twist of Father being your son. Then they had to figure out WHY they existed after already making them central to the game... and they never did.
>>733600603voiced protagonists are a fucking waste of money and only serve to limit roleplay and i'm tired of pretending otherwise>have one of those games where you can build anyone>remove it to say that male character is an ex soldier and female character is a lawyer, nothing to important and easily ignorable but once again you have this entire premise about finding your child and doing ANYTHING but looking for your child is pretty stupid for a parent that cares about their child
>>733599786E=MC^2*AI
>>733601613>Then they had to figure out WHY they existed Why didn't they just make boston a warzone shithole like how it was mentioned in fallout 3 and make the institute a possible necessary evil force to reclaim the surface and end conflict there. You can have the BoS as the synth killing alternative and the railroad can be more of less the same-- saving synths but they won't actually be able to help the overall wasteland situation unlike the institute and bos.
>>733599786It was fucking retarded and your post is bait. Why not just use genetic engineering to make Humans immortal and perfect? Genociding all of Humanity and replacing them with Robots is retarded beyond reckoning.
>>733600603>What?>Joke (Yes)>Yes>No (but Yes again)What great options to chose from. Great story telling from Todd.
>>733600482>manual laborwe have robots that we can craft from literal scraps, the institute has infinite resources to make gen 2's which are capable of doing EVERYTHING a human can>controlthey could have bought out the ENTIRE commonwealth with their resources>smart scientiststhey couldn't make a trade deal or extend an olive branch with their superior resources, technology, and everything else, they found a message on a computer and immediately went full nuclear on the place, finding literally nothing other than bad PR>progress of manif you do their quests they get infinite power, clean water, clean food, they can recreate animals perfectlythey use it to make gorilla's instead of pigs or chickens or any other farming animal
>>733600781headcanon, they already had robots that can push broomsthey make meat people that all look different and have feelings because they react more realistically to being tortured and abused
>>733601946>we designed them wrong on purpose with aging problems that would show up after a couple years, ruining our infiltration projects for long-term control of the commonwealth>why?>hmmm, you wouldn't understand it, it is simply too complex
>>733601946Techno-Epstein
the institute should be able to transfer human consciousness into synth bodies so we can have total annihilation: fallout edition.
>>733600551assaultrons are RIGHT there
>>733601915
>we'll make mankind better>by killing them all and replacing them with robotsmakes sense.
>Dislike Movable Type
>>733599786>our goal is this sloganHmm I see...Can I get the details of this goal though?Is it like, having all of humanity living in high tech facilities with robot servants?
>>733600482If bethesda had good writers they couldve done this>first gen synths (robotic skeleton ones) did great for manual labor>repairs however costed materials, which at that stage wasn't sustainable>also not good for scouting above ground due to them easily shot at because they're obviously robotic>cant reliably control them either when going into heavily irradiated areas (glowing sea)>make human synths so they just need food to repair themselves, have enough sentience to carry out orders incase they go out of range, "radiation proof: so they can explore shit like glowing sea>however they miss the flaw that their module breaks down due to consistent elevated radiation exposure>causes some synths above to go berserk (diamond city incident)>have to make coursers to tard wrangle rogue synths but indirectly results in collateral damage>misunderstanding makes it look like terminators are being made to kill people for random reasons, wastelanders hate the institute>this makes most of institute isolationists from that point onbasically, make them misguided high iq idiots where they had good intentions but their lack of above ground understandings keeps fucking shit up for everyone which leads to you tard wrangling them
The Institute isn't meant to be relatable They're not meant to be you heckin chungus factionThey're not mean to be your whoa evil so zazed factionThey're meant to be a faction of scientists playing God that do what they want to the Commonwealth because they can with no set end-goal besides finishing their current experiments and starting new ones
>>733601613correct, the game is incoherent because it was written backwards from their leads imagining """cool""" momentsand bethesda fan jabber that "umm it's just that the writing takes a backseat to gameplay" is pure cope. They thought that Shaun being old was going to be a gangbusters twist and they wrapped half the game around it. They just can't fucking write.
>>733602632unfortunately bethesda really, really wanted the idea of surprise imposter synths in society which meant the institute has been, en masse, abducting, murdering, and replacing completely innocent people for next to no reason which makes any attempt at portraying the Institute as intelligent or correct fall flat
>>733602991Bethesda should've just copied Bob Page when writing Shaun if that was their intention.
>>733603195>portraying the Institute as intelligent or correctThere's next to no reason for a faction to be such thingNo major factions besides the BoS can be described as intelligent or correct
>>733602991That would be fine. But only if Bethesda's creative team wasn't on the low rent level of your average western comic book series. Hell, they might even slide under that bottom of the barrel.
>>733602991they aren't though, they're actual retards who do the dumbest shit ever>creating literal super mutants for no other reason than to study their DNA and mutations>something you could do in a fucking petridish is being used on humans for "testing" when we have ways to get around human testing until most problems are erased>they just waste tons of resources to rapidly create a super mutant population on par with the masterso you're telling me they had 10000 super mutants just chilling in their super mutant lab and not a single person was like "hmmm maybe dis a bad idea??"
>>733599786>My father has finally made it here...>He's probably overwhelmed and disoriented>I know! I'll play a trick on him :)
I think DiMA is super cool and the main plot of Far Harbor is by far the best part of Fallout 4 thanks to himHe is however written by Bethesda, so you confronting him with the truth, him becoming horribly guilty, then immediately suggesting replacing the leader of the Children of Atom with a synth anyway makes him look retarded. I think Bethesda has a quota of bad decisions so I give this one a pass.
>>733603465Don't think! Fallout is whacky chungus quirk boderlands time. Fallout is only just about le weird and icky 50s and teddy bear rocket launchers. Todd already decided this.
>>733603531no, that was really good. the only thing wrong with Dima is him saying you're a synth and the player being forced to give a stupid answer
>>733603512That isn't in itself bad. Shaun owes his father, an irrelevant nothing of no consequence, jack or shit. Him fucking with the fallout 4 guy just as an observational study and curiosity is in line with what his character is supposed to be. Again, it's just Bethesda not being able to deliver on a concept.
>>733603512shaun is such a fun guy, always pranking everyone haha
>>733603650>Shaun owes his father, an irrelevant nothing of no consequence, jack or shit.Thats why I don't feel bad rampaging through the place 5 seconds later
>>733603531He acts like a synth stereotype and that's actually a good thing
>>733603643yeah, DiMa trying to gaslight the MC into thinking they are a synth is the dumbest shit ever but people blow far harbor for having good writing but to me it seemed on par with everything else
>>733603750it's actually a really good and in character thing for him, considering he tricked the japanese girl too. Just being forced to give a retarded answer as a fourth wall joke is bad.
>Think Tank>human brains that put themselves into jars and have undergone brainwashing, subtle manipulation and dehumanization whose only goal is seemingly doing science for the sake of doing it>but before that they were incredibly driven, if amoral, geniuses who were trying to find novel solutions to winning the Great War before the inevitable nuclear exchange>thus it makes perfect sense that when stripped of their humanity all that's left is a desire to do science in the worst way with no regard for anything but results>The Institute>a population of humans that have less excuse for their lack of perspective, forward thinking and empathy than meme robots who don't even know what a penis is anymore
epstein institute
>>733604015>le noble brain on a jar
>>733603650>therefore you will be in charge of the institute now
>>733604015>Think Tank invents hardlight holograms that can be used as weapons while being completely immune to damage, Star Trek replicators, and metal that ignores the laws of thermodynamics>Institute can't even invent better laser weapons than already existed pre-war
It would have made sense if the twist for the Institute was that they had all been replaced by Synths and that's why nothing made sense. They were all replaced by robots just pretending to be people. But no, they were just retarded.
>>733600147Ooga booga, where the white women at?
>>733604198humans being retarded make way more sense than robots being retarded desu
>>733604015I thought the Think Tank were all literal retards and Mobius was the brains behind everything
>>733602991the institute is so cartoonishly incompetent that they only work as a heckin chungus faction you fucking moronsending a single retarded mercenary with an itchy trigger finger and a bunch of incompetent rubes to go steal a baby out of a vault because "it has prime pre-war DNA" and not fucking think that maybe taking the dozens of other virile adult couples that could be bred to make superhumans would have been a better idea than killing them all is nothing but contrived and retarded
>>733599786>we will replace all creatures with robots!ok, why?>you wouldn't get it....
>>733603832It annoyed me in far harbor that you can't point out to anyone that people replacing infiltrator synths know they're synths. You can only be secretly a synth if you got your memory replaced in the memory den by the one lady on earth that knows how to do that, and those are all institute escapees
I don’t think anything is more retarded than the railroad. It’s based around one delusional leader that say >either you agree your microwave has human rights or I’ll kill you right now
>>733604272i mean they were all scientists prewar, you can find a group drawing/photo of them in oen of their rooms
>>733604394railroad should've been synth supremacists their whole ideology falls apart otherwise
>>733604479they were brought over from fallout 3 along with the institute so whoever wrote this shit decided to go pants on head retarded mode with them
>>733604394synths are literally just humans. the only problem with the railroad is that they were written for a world with a skyrim level of civilization and not a complete warzone where no one is safe for a millisecond and singling out synths seems retarded. When they switched to empty settlements instead of having to make relatively safe town hubs they lost all impression of there being any civilization
>>733604619They are humans but in the sense of their lives aren’t equal to that of a human
>>733604526I mean factions having different views on the world depending on the region makes sense especially if you consider how the BoS is different every game The Railroad in 4 is just retarded tho since their main objective is stopping the Institute and destroying all ways of making more synths... you know the thing they're supposed to be rescuing and treating as human beings
>make something that looks, acts, thinks and feels like a human>treat it like it's less than humanWhat's the point?
>>733604437where is Dala
>>733600482It’s the worse version of the tv show plot and a twist on pod people. Just replace every human thats a problem with a synth and poof peace.Like the World’s End plot.
>>733604858no they think the surface people are basically walking dead that will all disappear, one of the few things that seems consistent when they talk about the surface
>>733599786>Cybernetic implants!? Absolutely inhumane! I won't allow it!>...yes yes, the plan to kidnap that 5 year old in Diamond City and replace them with a robot is still a go.
>>733604823leftmost one
>>733604823process of elimination. she has to be the tomboyish asian? hispanic? one on the left.
>>733605045giving me femcel vibes there
>>733600482You wouldn't get it.
>>733599786This nigga a creamsicle
>>733604437Dala, 8, Borous, Klein, 0, Mobius?
>>733604959that was just an excuse to eliminate what could have been interesting gameplay mechanicsI mean implants exist in every other fallout game EXCEPT the one with the technology superpower? wtf
>>733605082i mean she's something like that iirc. she has teddy bears everywhere and if you try to give her one she says she doesn't actually like teddy bears (despite having one in her inventory) and that she's really talking about human bodies and she has romantic mens and womens mannequins EVERYWHERE dressed up and lewd clothing in some of her rooms too.
Institute > BoS > Minutemen > Minor Factions > Super Mutants > Railroad
Nate was based
>>733605489Nate "The Rake"
>>733605489That boy just wasn't rightHe can always just make new ones
>>733605489He was a progressive and supported post birth abortion.
>>733605489>canonically creampied jew layer in a public parkI kneel...
>>733605802What evidence is there that Nora was jew?
>>733600482someone at bethesda had just watched blade runner and thought "dude, what if blade runner"
>>733605980harkness in fallout 3 was literally a synthetic bladerunner, they've had a hardon for bladerunner ever since then, only to fuck up t he execution for fallout 4
>>733606128gen 3 synths are really recent anon harkness could always have been an older model
>>733605771I gunned Shaun down with my trusty shotgun, "Planned Parenthood"
>>733605940lawyerbig nose
>>733603531children of the atom deserves death or that, only judgement its replacing some of the harbor dwellers like the mayor woman
>>733607669>Children of the atom deserve iti agree, the only smart thing to do to the children are nuke themwhat makes it retarded is that DiMA has a big moment of contrition when he remembers that he killed and replaced the harbormaster for the greater good then immediately suggests doing the same thing the sentence after. if the intent is to make him look dangerous it's clumsy, if it's not it's retarded
>>733608231it worked one time why wouldn't it work a second
>>733600482There's all sorts of theories one can conjure up based on what they see and believe to be true, but ultimately the The Institute are pic related. Bethesda pulled another Point Lookout when writing the faction and forgot to include any reasonable explanation as to why a bunch of crazy shit is constantly happening, you're just supposed to gawk at the cool thing and clap for a bit before moving on to the next cool thing.
>>733601824>Why didn't they just make boston a warzone shitholeI don't know if you played the game recently, but the Boston area actually does feel like that. Doesn't look that bad because they made everything colorful, but walking from Diamond City's entrance towards The Combat Zone is always full of different raider groups, super mutants, and those gamma guys that use the really shitty radiation weapons that don't do any damage. Of course 70% of the map is out in the sticks so maybe it doesn't feel that way to you.
>>733600482>>733609379Trust the Science idiots, they're obviously the good guys
Subversion - The Institute-Railroad Alliance Alternate Ending (Institute MQ overhaul)ZP's Institute (Retextures the Institute itself to not be so hard to look at)Phase 4 An Institute Expansion (Adds to and expands the area of the Institute)Institute Old Robotics Overhaul (ditto)ITO - Institute Technology Overhaul Full - Version 2 (Adds new Institute weapons, armors, aid items, etc.)M150s Institute Power Armor HD Reboot (Enables Institute PA from ITO to be usable by the player)Courser Crusher (Overhauls Coursers to be as dangerous as the lore implies)CROSS_Courser Strigidae and its replacer (New armor for Coursers)Legendary KelloggWorkshop Synth Production
>>733610341>Subversion - The Institute-Railroad Alliance Alternate Ending (Institute MQ overhaul)>An immersive alternate Railroad and Institute ending that allows the reformation of the Institute and peace between the Commonwealth factions. Free the synths, end the kidnappings, stop the immoral experiments, pacify the Brotherhood of Steel with less violenceBoooooooooringWhy make a good ending where everyone holds hands and work together?Why end the kidnappings and the experiments?Why pacify the BoS without violence?
>>733610341>make a Synth Maxson to reinstate yourself into the Brotherhood of Steel faction following your betrayal at and even promote yourself to the rank of SentinelBased
>>733602632brilliant, unfortunately emil pagliaretard would never let this fly
>>733602991The idea of the institute isn't the problem, it's the execution. By Bethesda's own standards FO4 is pretty fucking low, even Starfield was better written and structured despite having its own bag of horseshit going on. They need to take Emil off from the writing team and tell him to fuck off already.
>>733604272>I thought the Think Tank were all literal retards and Mobius was the brains behind everythingThey were retards, just really smart retards that need to book some therapy sessions from time to time.
>>733599786Fallout 4 with sex mods
>>733609871I wish it was an actual warzone. Different factions control their own territory, as well as neutral raider occupied territory, and you have to help your chosen faction take and hold land. Like the Skyrim civil war but better
>>733611065Install better texture mods anon
>>733611013and had been mainlining mentats into their brain for 200 years
>>733600482They use them to run their experiments on the surface. There is a quest in the game that illustrates this.
>>733611140What kind of experiments are those teams of armed gen1/2 synths running?
>>733604314Don't think too hard as to why the institute didn't just use their super teleporter to transport everybody from Vault 111 directly to their home base, or why they needed a live specimen if all they wanted was the DNA, or why they didn't try any of the other vaults, or why anything else that could create plot holes in the shitty ass main quest story.
>>733611428Pretty sure that was the only vault with a 200 years old baby in it
>>733601831>humanity redefined>make kellog a violent outsider a superhuman>dont do it to anyone in the institute??????
>oh also, we are just dumping super mutant into the wasteland as well. Why you ask? You woudlnt get it.....
>>733611065this nigga wacking it a cabbage patch kid
>>733610341why did they name a major villain after Kellogs Cornflakes
>>733611065would >>733611642would
>>733611603That part floored me.>invent youthful immortality>give it to one guy (some pawn basically)>ditch the research and never mention it again
>>733611104I already have the official HD texture pack
>make piper wife>join brotherhoodEasy choice.
>>733611604well we can't have them pestering around the labs, can we
>>733611823Sanctuary, home
>>733612007least it was 'till I fucked every resident
>>733608478He gives you shit for doing the right thing (killing suicidal cultists) then acts like his plan to kill head priest of USS Retard is much better becuase it puts a pause on the powder keg that is the Children of Atom. Why would you ever allow these people to live? Becuase eventually they might kill themselves instead of the whole island? Wouldnt you want to fix that permanently?
>>733612007>>733611823>>733611065I love when people post their characters thinking they are sexy and everyone will want to see them. But they are always even worse looking than some generic WEG npc. LMAO
>>733604823asian femboy
>>733612007don't listen to him babe you're beautiful
>>733600482I don't think there's a single line of dialogue that actually explains why they specifically need sentient gen 3 synths lol. Or why they send them out to replace people despite insisting the want nothing to do with the surface.Best answer you're gonna get is "to see if they could", like the synth gorillas.
>we made these robots to essentially be our slaves>but we also gave them free will
>>733612443it's very important for my floor mopping robot to be scared and miserable you see
>>733612382that's a whole lot of seething
>>733601108LMAO
>>733612179He pretty much jumps at any rationalization you give if you come to him and talk about it before you do it. Like I think talking him into giving you his blessing for murdering everyone in Far Harbor is a yellow check, much less the CoA.
>>733599786Why would I play a Fallout game that doesn't have good porn mods?Or at least good cute and funny ones like New Vegas
>>733612382>the institute are dumb because they made the same mistake as a completely separate entity they never even heard ofI think you might actually be retarded.
>>733611140>go and kidnap this man and pretend to be himwhy?>you wouldn't understand, its for "experiments">now, take this patrol and go around shooting ANYTHING that isn't uswhy?>its for "experiments", you wouldn't understand
>>733611823thanks for the nightmare fuel
>>733612443>he dosent want to rape his roomba and hear it sobTypical wastelander.
>>733612179Because the children of atom are peaceful and the tensions are entirely caused by priest retardo.They're as much of a powder keg as Far Harbor is because Allen might rally people to go up the hill and slaughter all the synths.
>>733611820all the tortured writing to get to the old shaun twist required a million stupid little contrived patches like that, and in return not even the biggest bethesda dickrider has ever tried to defend the twist because it has not ever worked on a single person
>>733612443This is one of my problems with like 99% of robots-as-people sci-fi stories hacks write.>make robots that identical or nearly identical to humans for...some reason>make robots have emotions for...some reason>make robots have free will for some reason>make robots extremely intelligent outside of their narrow slave-like role for some reason>make robots for a task and then treat them poorly despite the fact they look and act like humansIt's all just to sell the slavery metaphor and it's so fucking stupid.
>>733604746owning slave without being racist
>>733613034they even got their own slave hunting house negro
>>733613159what the fuck is that jacket texture
>>733600482Who fucking cares at this point all Bethesda lore is dog shit. Ghouls can survive in fridges now without food for years
>>733612681Really? Last F4 playthrough was a few years back and all I remember was him yelling at me for killing them all. I think I must have not talked to him about it and just showed up at his doorstep covered in blood. I really wish they gave a better case for the CoA to be spared besides "killing is bad". I dont remember them contributing anything to the island plus them being the sole instigator of conflict makes it hard to vouch for them at all.
>>733613159>send X14-88 to a settlement>blow up The Institute >he has zero response to this happening and continues being a companion like normal
>>733613393He just has a personal like of the CoA because the previous high priest was nice to him even as a fucked up synth.But yeah he criticizes you afterward if you take any of the endings without talking to him first, but you can talk to him first and have a little pseudo-debate and he'll say fine do it.
>>733611886
>>733612683F4 is the premier Goonout game though
>>733611886>make cait wife>join minutemen>blow up the niggerhood blimp
>>733613626That facial animation mod really helps the game more than it gets credit for.
>>733611065>>733611823holy dogshit
>start new game now>get 20+ immersion breaking popups for DLC quest shit they keep adding
>>733614403they patched that out
>>733614795when?
>>733614832whenever the latest update was, couple months ago i think
>>733611642She's 18, bro ;)
>>733604437>0 is Dr. Venture in voice and looks
>we're good guys I'll tell you about it soon>has secret bad guy lab>ah shit I'm suddenly dying of a mystery disease which is an excuse for neither of us to mention the subject again>oh and I need you to take over the institute and kill off every other faction because reasons300 IQ writing
>>733615184to be fair they don't care about they minutemen, they want you to kill the railroad and the bos for obvious reasons
>>733615112>modding tacticool railz and sightz into fallout>has pug faced, cross eyed sex slave NPClmao
>>733613635It's close but there's no EroCute equivalent unfortunately.
>>733615278>they let the minute men liveRIP institute
>>733615423why would you destroy them when you run both
>>733600603Hate newspapers
>>733615505HATE BOOBS
>>733615281It's Fallout 4 the aesthetic is beyond all repair already, you may as well just turn it into gun porn.
>>733615489Preston is the type of guy to start a mutiny.
>>733612925>peaceful>when they indoctrinate dumb women like Longfellow's wife into giving herself and her unborn child terminal radiation poisoning No, sorry. If the suicide cult wants to commit suicide, I'll speed them along before anyone else gets swept up in their dogma. Dying in a nuclear blast is exactly what they would have wanted.
>>733615336>"no equivalent">implying
>>733605241>Starfield's universe banning mechs about a decade before the game takes placeFuck, Bethesda really does do that a lot.
>>733602632>make human synths so they just need food to repair themselvesso there just humans
Damn near everyone on this board claims to hate this game but it sure seems you faggots love talking about it. What's up with that?
>>733618617humans you can program
>>733618657It's the only Fallout that actually looks and plays good
>>733618735Plays like shit compared to New Vegas and even 3 and looks like garbage compared to them too.No the shooting is not better. No, mods will not fix it.
>>733618818Weapons barely work in NV and FO3Even single shot weapons with a a slightly increased rate of fire bug out
>>733601941>if you do their quests they get infinite power, clean water, clean food, they can recreate animals perfectlyCan you imagine if, as Director of the Institute, you returned to your wasteland settlements with this technology and fixed everything? haha, I'm just kidding, but wouldn't that be crazy if you did though?
>>733618617Yes, but they come out the box as full grown adults with a pre-programmed personality, skipping the need for breeding programs and the 20 years or so of feeding and indoctrination that you'd need to get the same result.
its not happening is it
>>733610341does any of those mods fix the dogshit logic behind bethesda's presentation of the institute?can you actually have the institute be the good guys and help the people of the commonwealth?
>>733618951Work fine on my machine :^)
>>733619338>can you actually have the institute be the good guys and help the people of the commonwealth?Dont worry, Fallout Season 3 will be about the institute coming to the west coast to save humanity. They are Todds favorite faction afterall.
>>733619524The first two seasons were okay honestly but you can tell the third is gonna fucking suck so this being true wouldn't surprise me.
>>733618657This board likes talking about concord how many people do you know playing that?
>>733619524figured as mucheven now there isn't a main question overhaul mod that changes the plot a little
>>733619338I imagine Subversion is basically what you're describing https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/50975* ignore Father's orders and spare the Railroad and the BoS* convince Desdemona that taking over the Institute as Director and freeing the synths that way is better than destroying the Institute, this is possible even if you didn't join the Railroad before going to the Institute* regain some level of trust with the Railroad by warning them of the Institute's plan to eliminate them if you didn't join the Railroad before visiting the Institute* have a sit down with the Directorate and reform the Institute, end the kidnappings, grant synths equal rights, this involves finding synth sympathizers among the scientists, having armed backup, persuasion of scientists but also intimidation, blackmail and, if there is no other choice left, murder, make sure you come prepared, it is also possible to choose to purge the entire Directorate and their lackeys in a Red Wedding-like event, and unilaterally decide to free the synths* occupy the Institute by teleporting large numbers of Minutemen inside, this option is unlocked only after you're the Director and if the Minutemen are strong enough* work out an armistice agreement with the West Coast Brotherhood* convince Virgil to return to the Institute once it has been reformed* persuade Virgil to remain a super mutant (if he hasn't taken the serum yet) and then take him as a companion in the Commonwealth (he cannot be a companion in human form though)* get Z1-14 and Glory as companions if you reform the Institute, this is possible even if you never joined the Railroad and for Glory to survive you must deal with the Brotherhood of Steel before they attack the Railroad HQ* get Synth Maxson as a companion if you convince him to reinstate you* inform Piper and Nick of the Institute's reformation (if Piper is spoken too, Nat will later be found distributing the pro-Institute article "Fear the Future?")
>>733600147heh
The main quest is dogshit and siding with the Institute is nonsensical and is more akin to having an option to side with the Enclave in Fallout 3.The Railroad is the most stupid faction they've ever conjured and the Minutemen being the failsafe faction who will never turn on you is the reason why Fallout 4 isn't a RPG but a lootgoblin settlement builder FPS.
>>733600482Planting synths in various communities to conduct observation isn't a bad idea. Using them for active sabotage and killing and replacing people with synth imposters is more difficult to justify just in terms of the amount of disdain it's going to create in the general populace. The biggest problem is that the Institute itself can't seem to make up its mind on how sentient synths are and whether they're supposed to be the future of humanity or just a (biologically superior) slave race.
>>733619524did he say the Institute was his favorite? I always assumed it was BoS bc he seems to have a toddler-like obsession with le heckin ebbic power armor!!! thus why he shoehorns those faggots into literally everything
>>733599786Did anyone else not get a fear of paranoia of who was a human and who was a synth? It's like the main question of the Commonwealth and yet it falls completely flat and barley on your mind.
>>733619524More like S3 will have the Ghoul mill about in Colorado including le heckin Boulder City and by the season's end he'll realize his wife and daughter are taken to the Capital Wasteland so he goes there.Meanwhile the frog girl and the negro will find themselves at war with Kevin's Caesar's Legion but Emperor Kevin will actually become a good guy and be ousted from his seat somewhat. Then the vault dwellers back in the Boneyard will cause a ruckus that will amount to nothing, the old negress Overseer will step down and the evil Canadian gets rescued by the Enclave.
>>733600781>They have an isolation so they aren't going to hire the random trash people from the Commonwealth to do it all.but they are replacing people when they could just add themmost retarded plan ever
>>733620045>The Railroad is the most stupid factionyou mean it wasn't smart to make the password to their super secret base... "RAILROAD"???
>>733622030>would you risk you life to save a synth?>"NO">Welcome to the railroad!
>>733605489>laughing at canadians getting killedhe's just like me
>about to nuke institute>synth shaun begs to come along >nigga you aint my kid or real >leave him to get nuked
>>733600603The funny thing is the Dialog trees mean jack shit other than gaining faction rep. Nothing changes, nothing happens and the fact the world is so static and all your work is summed up into a powerpoint slide show is retarded.
>>733600551>free synth pussy for everyoneWould consider
>>733622616that's literally the morally correct choiceeven if you bring him along, he will literally be stuck as a synth kid forever, can never grow up and will literally outlive anyone
>>733618657>but it sure seems you faggots love talking about it. What's up with that?We could've had a skyrim clone in a different region instead of this and I'll never not be salty about it. Now the next ES will come out in 2035 and will retroactively make fallout 4 look amazing in comparison due to how much bethesda will have degraded by then.
>>733622616>here's a robot that looks like your kidSeriously, what were they thinking with this?
>>733601483>>733600603Nate Hewspapers. This is the protagonist's name and no amount of arguments can convince me otherwise.
>>733599786But they don't try to redefine humanity, they create synths that they don't believe are sentient and human.Super mutants are just a side thing they do and that's about it when it comes to that and nothing else is redefining humanity other than the same old strive for better tech.
>>733611820It's obvious they added only because their stupid twist wouldn't work otherwise and they didn't catch the mistake until very late so they added that little tidbit but couldn't use it more because everything else was already set in stone.
>>733623727>protags nameI always forget the game has a built in thing to actually say certain names you can enter during dialog with the player.I named my character King Dong once, and Codworth kept calling me "Mr.King" and I thought it was fucking hilarious.
>>733604086Why are third worlders allowed to breathe
>>733622030>Super duper smart scientist people probably think it's something complex as shit>Super duper retarded people can't even readIt's a genius ploy
>>733599786The criticism in this post applies to Fallout 4 as well. The institute are fucking retarded because they're a faction of geniuses, as written by complete imbeciles, to whom intelligence is basically magic.
>>733603531My interpretation of DiMA is that he is an extremely manipulative little shit. So being all theatrical in his pretend guilt to immediately suggesting you do another terrible thing fits quite well.
>>733603531>NOOOOOO MAKING HIM ADMIT HIS GUILT AND STAND TRIAL BEFORE THEE PEOPLE>THAT'S NOT ANY KIND OF JUSTICE I'VE EVER HEARD OF WHERE I COME FROM
>>733600147The blackface bug claims another victim
>>733605940Look at her side profile
>>733611886Nora if she news
>>733604437I killed them all. At this point it was mercy. They lost their humanity. Too dangerous to let live. Mobious got to live.
>>733627484I can never bring myself to do it. Even when I try and generally fail to do an evil playthrough. Actual spoilers for a really good book -> I'd probably have let McMurphy live if it was me, thinking about it.
>>733627627The evil act would be to let them live. They are in hell. Forever trapped in the dome cursed to do meaningless experiments for no reason. They lost their humanity. Their free will. They don't even remember who they really are. Put them out of their misery. That's no way to live.Also they are amoral genociders that enjoy torturing others
>>733627806Not the nigga you're replying to, but I try to think bigger. There's still value in them, and with the ending where the courier convinces them to SCIENCE! for him, for humanity, I feel like there can be at least some redemption for them and their acts. So much that they've done can be learned from, whether by they themselves wholesale, or someone else picking up the pieces. Better for them to work for the courier on the chance it does some good down the road. Of course that all hinges on you playing a good courier, but eh, details.
>>733628064They are just too dangerous. Who knows for how long will the Courier be able to control them. And once the Courier is dead, what? Put his brain on a jar and restart the circle all over?In the ending where they escape they literally destroy the world, torture everyone alive.
>>733612750Sounds like some war on terror shit they fed zogbots
>>733628441I guess you could see it as kicking the can down the street in that case, but even then, in the 20 or so years the courier has them working for his sake (and, hopefully, the planet's), they could make wonders. Shit, even just refining some of their existing work, like the replicators, could be the greatest spark. The replicators and the GECK are probably related technology, and we've seen at least once (twice if you count 3) how incredible the GECK can be at scale. I think that alone would make staying their execution some years worth it.Then, after that, we'd re-evaluate I guess.
>>733600482>>733605115The Institute seriously gets fucking retarded when you consider how they would have unlimited caps and resources to trade with. Every problem they have involving people would be instantly solved by throwing money and free food at it, even their bad PRThey should have been incredibly resource-hungry instead, it would explain their wanton mindless acts of murder and evil
>>733628625You know, in the intro the game states that they tried to answer the wrong question. I believe this question was "how to win the war", when the real question was "how to stop or avoid the war". Your train of thought goes the way of the second question. At least this is what I think after replaying the dlc the other day.
this is now a Tunnel Snakes thread
>>733628931Tunnel Snakes is the only good thing about Fallout 3. The game should have let us turn it into a powerful faction, but Bethesda is too cringe to come up with something like that.
>>733600482There isn't one its fucking retarded. Fallout world already has robots that can help with manual labor and some of them can literally fly. I suppose you could make an excuse that the human form is better but why the fuck do you make them intelligent? For control? Again why? You already have super science you dont need conscious synths to do that. People will come to you no matter what as most people are barely scraping by out in the wasteland. Is it for progress? What progress is made with synths that can't be made with regular robots? The whole thing is just stupid. At least with Big Mountain the prewar scientists were cut off from the rest of the world and had gone mad which explains their insane and pointless experiments. The Institute makes zero sense.
>>733629128Would've been insanely based to take some soft ass vault dwellers wanting to be cool and make them the biggest raider gang in the capital wastelandand christ, if the retarded fucking children of atom can be in FO4 like it's a major faction somehow then the tunnel snakes could've shown up too
>>733601108lol, no
>>733601267>the Legion talk about their goals like sales people pitching a product to investors where they have no idea what it is they're pushing beyond vague cliffnotes they've read
>>733601831>Why not just use genetic engineering to make Humans immortal and perfect?Did you miss the part where they demand 100% control of everything?
>>733599786The Enclave mod solves this problem
>>733613262fallout 4 on the ps4
>Oh great look at that; levelled loot. Great. Fantastic. Everywhere I go I maintain the same relative power level, except in the few places where there's no levelled enemies. Yes I will be conscious of this the whole time. This is definitely not the videogame gameplay equivalent of "seeing the strings" in old movies. So goofy and fun! >Oh cool. Another randomly-generated "legendary"-rarity item that gives me +1 to VATs aim while it's raining and the sun is at the 14th meridian while standing still and listening to the radio and fighting at least one deathclaw. Nice! I'll throw it on the pile; it can go nicely in-between the armour that gives me a bonus to my fire resistance while swimming and the gun that does an additional 1 point of radiation damage to ghouls. >Ah of course; the Mass Effect-style dialogue tree, but without any of the nuance and elaborate conversation trees. Very very nice. Everything I say is rail-roaded, all I get to do is choose the tone of voice in which I agree to everything. So killer! TUBULAR!>An interesting story! They are making advanced artificial intelligences, and putting them in iterative robot bodies that become increasingly lifelike; while collating intelligence on certain random wastelanders, and then creating a robot synthetic version of a given wastelander that is 1 to 1 identical to them in every way! Then, they send the robot to the surface to KILL and replace the person they imitate! It's the perfect plan! Don't you see? It's the only way to ... uhhhh ... --well, um, you see. Um... w- we want to make the world a better place, don't you understand?>Um...
Why wasn't the Institute just the Enclave? Just say they're making synths because they're low on man-power and wont recruit mutants that live in the waste. Meanwhile they use the synths to infiltrate and weaken settlements in the waste until they have strength to just take over. Then they can toss the synths as they have no need for intelligent, human like robots.
>>733604272they are actual scientists, but theyre also 200 year old brains in jars who have all been steadily going crazy for the last 2 centuries, Mobius was manipulating them to stay within Big MT so they wouldnt wreak havoc on the wasteland
>>733599786>>733600482I think its fair to say that Emil is a worse writer than Tommy Wiseau
>>733604015>>733604272>>733630790the point is that even new vegas's most silly immersion breaking le funny questline still makes more sense than the main quest of fallout 4
>>733618657bethesda is a lolcow company
>>733623653>what were they thinkingIM WRITING THE NEXT GREAT AMERICAN NOVEL
>>733600901>It's really fucking obvious.No it isn't. If they want control then start giving technology to the wastelanders until they become dependent on the Institute, then use that as leverage when making demands?
>>733604272The think tank is essentially gibbering insane and they were sociopaths to start with.
>>733605045>tfw no tomboy latina gf obsessed with masturbation and guro
>>733605214>Dala>0>Mobius>Klein>8>Borous
>>733611428>Teleport via radio into a bunker that doesn't get that radio signalGee I wonder why >DNAPre-war, untouched by interbreeding Baby full of delicious stem cells.>Plot holesMaybe if you ask nicely, the Institute can fix the hole between your ears before the next time you post.
>>733628625Based and progresspilled. Just because they're inhuman monsters doesn't mean their expertise can't be applied in other areas to make the planet a better place
>>733611820>Invent incredibly invasive Cybernetics>Give it to their guinea pig surfie to test the long-term side effects>Ditch it because the new leader absolutely despises the dude and has random melties about him on the regular to the point of dooming everyone else.Father's hateboner for Kellogg is 90% of the reason why the institute fails.
>>733619847As soon as I hear pieced together or flat AI dialog in these things the mod is dead to me
>>733612750>Infiltration for the purposes of observation or destablization>Area denialYou stupid, anon, or do you need things spoonfed to you like a baby?
>>733632565Why do you need leverage when you already control every major remaining faction, anon? The Insitute controls the commonwealth by the time you wake up, with anyone who could bd a threat in massive states of decline, or being outside of their reach.
>>733630464A well written and nuanced take, identifying a number of valid criticisms.....why are you wasting your time here? /V/ doesn't play video games you know...
>>733615281>Fallout 4 set in 2077> 20th-century guns are not lore-friendlylmao
>>733600482>Manual laborThere are already robots that do that>To replace leaders in settlements and control the surfaceThen why do random farmers and nobodies get replaced with synths>For shits and gigglesuhhh... I guess?
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>>733600482The Institute was Bethesda's attempt at the Think Tank, only less goofy. It falls apart because the Institute is made out to be a serious organization, engaging in things like kidnappings, replacing the mayor with a synth, influencing politics, etc. but have no actual goal like you would expect from an organization trying to influence so many people, they pretend to have a noble intention that isn't definedThe Think Tank are not interested in politics they're a bunch of scientists in an isolated area doing a bunch of experiments (many of which are completely random) and those experiments just happen to run amok.
>>733635509The other problem is that the Think Tank are portrayed as completely amoral from the very beginning. They don't pretend to have a deeper motive behind anything aside from just doing science for its own sakeWith the Institute, Shaun tries to pretend like they are for the good of the Commonwealth and that they're misunderstood, but for something like that to work they need a clear goal
Gen 3 synths aren't canon. Todd thinks the post apocalypse can sustain an operation that requires complex robotics, complex synthetic materials, bio engineering and microcomputers to build androids that shapeshift into society when in reality even Harkness in FO3 breaks established canon because the smallest self aware computer is large enough to occupy an aircraft hangar.
>fallout went from le broken water chip to fev to super fev to instant water purification to laser weapons in space and now with a perfectly carved out laboratory underneath with teleporting technology and synths
>>733636670and dont forget the abandoned supermaket still contains supplies
>>733635509>. but have no actual goal They do have a goal you idiot.Their goal is to advance science while remaining in their underground bunker because they see the surface as a lost cause, and think everyone is going to die out.
>>733635164*2287
>>733632565Not him but the people of the wasteland will never accept said technology. This plan doesn't work at a fundamental level.
>>733637304Then why are they sending synths to the surface and replacing people and toppling the government
>>733600603new vegas does not have dialog trees, neither fallout 1 and 2that's not fucking planescape torment
>>733600482First they send the Synths up, have them infiltrate society, then make them go mad and begin boil eveyone down to oil for their robo joints.Then they come in and offer up the synth gorillas to destroy the man synths, and when the last synthetic man is smashed by the roborilla, and donkey kong now rules the waste, we return to monk.oook oook, my nigga's, oook oook.
>>733637427>and toppling the governmentWell, for this, they didn't. Or, more specifically, there is no proof they did. The people on the surface claim the Institute destroyed the CPG. But even other people on the surface like Nick Valenti point out the people of the surface blame the Institute for every leaky faucet. In the Institute itself there's hold holotapes you can find that state the CPG was falling apart before the Institute even got involved, and that the Institute spent 4 years trying to help the people of the surface keep it together. Its exactly like the Battle of Red Mountain situation from Morrowind, there are multiple conflicting accounts with no clear answer on which one is right. All sides just blame each other.>Then why are they sending synths to the surface and replacing peopleWell1. Synths are used on the surface to scavenge for materials.2. Synths are used on the surface to conduct experiments that can only be done on the surface. Like the warwick Homestead crop stuff3. Synths are used on the surface to control wasteland settlements, like Diamond city, to spread misinformation that the Institute doesn't exist, and defuse situations that could spark violence. 4. Synths are used on the surface to monitor potential hotbeds of ant institute sentiment like Goodneighbor.
>>733615281the Fallout 4 assault rifle is one of the worst gun design in video game history. It's a fucking abomination
>>733637750i like it, its weird. like a mix of BAR and Maxim. its also intended for PA troops, its clearly too heavy for non assisted "assault" tactics
>>733599786I disagree. You never see most of it's audience struggling with this.
>>733637427>>733637304>>733637687The institute toppling the Minutemen and sending robot spies is basically the equivalent of Hank McLean nuked Shady Sands cause his baby momma was getting nasty tang with some NCR bitch
>>733612179I let them live purely because some of the women there were hot, if they didnt have that I would have nuked them
>>733611065every single time someone posts some sex or nude mod their game looks like complete shit. I wouldn't be able to jerk off to this or find it attractive with that terrible lighting or aliasing
>>733637750Bethesda is retardedThey already had the G3 and the AK
>>733610341>try to give cereal killer a sad backstoryDude shot my wife and kidnapped my son I don't give a fuck about his fwee fwee's.
>>733625317yeah I thought it was supposed to be obvious that DiMA is an evil cunt who just hides behind a soft, disarming / effeminate facade
>>733620045Still wish we could have merged the nuka raiders into an organized force and become a proper warlord.
>>733643415But that's not WACKY, Fallout is WACKY and CRAZY
>>733644970Mags and Nisha should have been romanceable companions instead of that random NPC dude.
>>733645762>mags>nisha>dixie>lizzieYou could have even had a harem like warlord how did bethesda drop the ball so hard.
>>733599786why is my dad doing blackface?
>>733599786saar
>>733645939I don't know who the last two are.
>>733646065>dixieThe blonde disciple sociopath>lizzieThe operator scientist
>>733637687Yeah but the Institute is comically evil about it. Like for the Warwick homestead, it's stated they'll wipe out the rest of the family once the experiment is over. Why did they even have to replace some random farmer in the first place? Just have some synths set up a farm somewhere by themselves.
>>733646446Warwick had the perfect soil for their seeds.
Bethesda simply did not want the Enclave to show up again after getting bombed to oblivion in 3 so they made the Institute more of a threat than they were.Why would a random boomer scientist hole up in Rivet City to find a rogue synth, why not send a Courser or someone like Kellogg?
>>733629128r/prequelmemes
>>733599786>never finished Fallout 4, because the loading times made the game unplayable on my old PC>get a new PC>oh hey! ill try finishing Fallout 4!>the loading times are exactly the fucking same, it doesnt matter if i play on a 1999 HDD or a 2025 super turbo ultra SSD>enter a small shack>5 minute loadingFUCKOFFBETHESDAJUSTGETFUCKED
>>733600482It's literally in their motto. Mankind redefined.
>>733648765But they abandoned cybernetics and FEV and only use Synths as tools.
>>733648168Loading times are based on FPS in the loading screen. If you get a tiny mod to uncap FPS in your loading screens it goes from 5 minutes to 5 seconds unironically
>>733649126It was explained that FEV wasn't stable enough to use on synths due the extreme radiation it inflicted
>>733599786>Become leader of the Institute >Can't actually do anything>Become leader of the Minutemen>Can't actually do anythingWhat the fuck is the point?
>>733650876>pump charisma as high as possible to turn settlements into minuteman breeding farms and summon them to fight all my battles for me>build multiple artillery pieces per settlement and have them obliterate entire areas>give Preston a real gun and make him do all the fighting and heavy-lifting inside buildings while I hang back and press-gang raiders and deathclaws into helping with my mind control powers
>>733650876The point was the adventure you had to achieve that
>>733630045Caesar monologues about his views for almost 10 minutes.Father says "you wouldn't understand" and changes the subject.
>>733650876>Become Sentinel rank in the Brotherhood>Can't actually do anything
>>733599786What actually was the point of the synths again. One of the scientists says that synths being the future of humanity but also not being human didn't make sense.
>>733651793>rhys still treats you like shitArtillery shell it is then.
>>733651793>still can't bang Haylen
>>733603531He is horribly retarded by mentioning that bodyswapping Far Harbor's mayor was awful then immediately suggesting to do it again. But he has a good point. By replacing people with robot dopplegangers you can save a lot of lives by sacrificing very few dudes. In that case it was a crazy cultist guy who wasn't too sympathetic in the first place. But you end up controlling people from the shadows. If the Institute in the base game had the same motivation switching people that would have made them way more sympathetic, but still sort of evil.
still better than Starfield
>>733599786Given that it's core audience is redditors, unironically yes it was. That is not a high bar at all thoughbeit.
>>733635164>muh datesAre you gonna mod smartphones in as well?
>>733652405Fallout is a game for everyone anon
>>733652467Yes. What you're gonna do about it?
>>733599786>like the sheer number of weapons Modern Firearms adds but hate how they removed weapons in the latest version>decide to try and create my own merged version with the 2.6.9 missing weapons added in to 2.7.0, nothing more>"hmm but damage and leveled lists are all over the place, I might as well give it a slight fix while I'm at it">it's been 2 weeks since getting into the fucking rabbit hole and I'm autistically tuning in every tiny aspect of every weapon part to make them just rightJesus fuck is this what pure unfiltered mod autism feels like?
>>7336187351 and 2 play far better and are much better designed.
>>733619672In what universe are they okay? They're completely retarded.
>>733650876>>733651793>become leader of an group even though you only did 5 quests and been there less than a weekeven oblivion and skyrim were like this too
>>733600482IMO synths can make sense if the Institute didn't take the extra and blatantly unnecessary step of disappearing real people. They did so much antagonistic shit that made no sense.
>>733655329Why did you pretend to care about lore-friendliness in the other post when you clearly don't?
>>733656748Because I'm not him, I butted in to make fun of your retarded ass caring about lore consistency in a game that's shit at maintaining it
>>733632013The problem is that even though that was the case, it was also immediately obvious and did not come as a surprise to anyone that had played FO3 or F:NV. It was expected to be shallow and terribly written.
>>733657142I don't care what either of you do with your games, just don't come up with bullshit to justify how it's totally lore-friendly because some internet rando said you had shit taste.
>>733600482Most of the Institute just want convenient slaves. I think Shaun himself wants to replace humans with Synths, but he doesn't tell anyone that for obvious reasons.
>>733599786Same fucking thing with Kingdom Hearts. For whatever reason there are niggers who are too retarded to fathom what "the other side of his heart" means and they're proud of it. Proud to still be crying about not being able to understand something from a kid's game two decades ago.
>>733655846While I'm at it I might as well ask for what I should do for balance since I'm still undecided on that. Should I go for weapon realism or balance things out for the sake of gameplay?E.g. I created a .22LR Micro Uzi to go in the early game on pair with the 9mm one. If I give if a realistic lower ROF like .22 should it loses all reason to exist after 9mm is available, but on the other hand if I give the .22 one a faster fire rate to compensate, then my autism starts screaming at me because that's not how it should work IRL
>>733655846>>733660427Play a better game, instead.
>>733660427It's a tough question. In isolation, my preference is realism as rifles being weaker than pistols is infuriating, and semi gaining triple or more damage over full auto makes me nuclear.With the existence of simple damage mods and perks to further your damage, I'd stick with the existing vidya balance paradigm to keep your scope in check.
>>733656476Let's not pretend Oblivion or Skyrim are well written either
>>733660852Thanks for the tip anon. Honestly one idea I'm having is work based on realism but exaggerate the benefits of a given weapon class, like giving stupid fast ADS and recoil recovery speed for pistols because of weight, damage increase for revolvers over pistols for no reciprocating slide/no energy loss, or make low power calibers have near-zero recoil while high power ones turn into anti-air at full auto.
>>733616471Who would be attracted to this?
>>733600482You wouldn't understand.
