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>dies
all that grinding and your characters are just gone forever lol
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>>733602165
Well at least the troons running it made some money lol
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Its days are numbered. Blizzard is not to be toyed with; especially now that they have Microsoft in their corner.
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>>733602165
I kind of don't care. I got a shaman to 60 on Ambershire and had a good time. I kind of lose interest in classic after I get Onyxia down, every time.
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bro just one more classic server relaunch
just one more molten core run will fix me and make me feel like I did in 2004
cmon bro do the wetlands run just one more time
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>>733602440
>STOP ENJOYING OLD GAME
>YOU MUST CONSOOOOOM NEW GAME
>YOU MUST GIVE MONEY TO NUBLIZZ SO THEY CAN CONTINUE WRITING ANTI-WHITE ANTI-MALE LORE
No thanks, rabbi
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>>733602165
I've had a quarter of my life wasted on expired D2 bnet characters
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>>733602289
>he hasn't heard
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>>733602604
Thats right anon. Be a champion of rhe white race running ubrs for the 5000th time. That'll show them.
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>>733602681
No, I haven't. So spit it out already instead of being a vagueposting nigger.
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>>733602165
>plays game
>finishes it
>stops playing
>NOOO MY TIME AND GRINDING ARE ALL LOST I'M GONNA KMS
As long as the ride was fun who cares? My retail characters have been rotting for many years and that shit is unsalvagable at this point. Turtle is trash though, soulless corpo wanna be server.
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>>733602165
How is it dead? It seems rather populated.
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>>733602698
see: >>733602604
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>>733602289
Tick tock, tick tock!
I haven't given Blizzard money in 15 years but at least they'll preserve my character data until an apocalypse hits in the hopes I come back.
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>>733602698
How does that even correlate? What will show them is not giving them money for slop.
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>>733602858
>nooo I must hoard my digital pixels forever and ever and ever (even though any character data is radically different because of expansions overhauling the game so often, and you don't even play anyway)
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>>733602165
2 more weeks.
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Servers are hosted in Russia where amerilard lawyers can't get at them.
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>>733602165
Its crazy a billion dollar company was outdone by a bunch of ziggers.
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>>733603403
>"outdone"
>a handful of asset flip dungeons and half baked class changes over the course of like 5 years
>same issues as most other pservers (pay2win donation perks, chinks and russians everywhere, broken scripting and buggy shit everywhere, admins doing shady shit for money behind the scenes)
uh huh
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and despite all of that blizztroons still lost. Seethe and cope blizztroon.
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>>733602604
>>YOU MUST GIVE MONEY TO NUBLIZZ SO THEY CAN CONTINUE WRITING ANTI-WHITE ANTI-MALE LORE
I didn't say that. Blizzard is doing classic relaunches too, and I don't endorse you playing those either.
You're 1000% mazed to the point you can't imagine doing anything with your life besides playing one version of WoW or another.
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BLIIIIIIIZZAAAAAAARD
MAKE CLASSIC PLUS, AND MY LIFE IS YOURS
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>>733603403
Yeah its really pathetic. Blizzdrones are so desperate to suck off Aggrends dick while he ruins their shit version with incursions.
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>>733603761
so your argument is "stop playing old game because I don't like it"
to which I respond: cope and seethe schlomo
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>>733603907
and then makes a "hardmode" for molten core which is really just "get at least 226 fire resist or you unavoidably die"
and then adds mythic+ affixes to BWL and AQ
and then adds insane health/damage scaling to naxx and makes it borrowed power on top of that

and yet somehow retards are still clamoring for "muh classic plus" from this same dev team LMAOP
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>>733602337
>in exchange for minimal jail time the Turtle WoW devs have agreed in principle to purge all character data and other identifiable records
THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
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>>733602386
>Blizzard is not to be toyed with
Very true, I sure don't want to play it anymore!

DOOOHOHOHO
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>>733604020
It was a seasonal server and they tried a bunch of different shit, what’s wrong with that?
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>>733602751
try their website.
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I'm just waiting for AI to take over completely so I can just play offline with bots.
What ever happened to that project anyway? I never hear anyone talk about it.
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>>733604020
The sad thing is based on that classic+ survey this is supposedly what "classic players" want. A bunch of retail rejects that cant help but want to shit up yet another version. Aggrend and his cronies will see those results and absolutely use that as an excuse to put in more retail bullshit, they already love the idea of putting all of the above you mentioned anyways.
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>>733604330
All of the "different shit" was blatantly anti-vanilla, that's what was wrong with it
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>get feral druid to 60
>get something close to pre-raid bis
>do all the custom dungeons
>get bored and quit
>still come back every so often to do new quest content
>feel like leveling an alliance feral druid so i can quest through the alliance content as well when the next major update comes out
>turtle continues to buff ferals because they don't scale well at end game
It's actually so comfy
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>>733603656
What's pay2win in Turtle again?
>>733603403
Its not really 'outdone' its just different. I'd not compare it to classic, vanilla, whatever. Its a different thing. It mostly has the same issues too.
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>>733604513
shame you cant do no content if you're not in they europoor timezone
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>>733602165
Warmane/Molten is a thing since 2012 and it's still going, my character has been there since 2014 even after the Molten meltdown and I sitll log it to this day.
Doubt TurtleWoW is going anywhere anytime soon.
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>>733604513
I remember playing Paladin there back in like 2021/2022, and it was kind of a mess. They gave Prot paladins a taunt....by requiring 3 points in a talent and it made your judgement of Justice taunt the target. So you have to use up your judgement CD just to taunt. Was fucking dumb.

>>733604550
>What's pay2win in Turtle again?
30 slot bags, mobile bank, mobile mailbox, mobile auction house, among other things
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>>733604616
Ahh... thats not pay2win. Who gives a shit.
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>>733604653
>well it doesn't affect combat so it's okay!
none of those things belong in vanilla
shoo, retard
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>>733604708
TurtleWoW is not vanilla, it's a fan made Classic+ with custom content
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>>733604330
>what's wrong with changing the game so heavily that it does not resemble vanilla at all anymore?
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>>733604708
It doesnt affect you in any way. What are you 16 years old? If you gonna bitch about stupid non-issue at least choose something thats not fucking gay and nerdy as some private server dono pocket change.
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>niggas really playing at shenna's server
lol. lmao.
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>niggas really paying Blizzard to fuck them in the ass
lol. lmao
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>>733604821
If gives non-payers an advantage compared to those that do pay. That makes it pay-to-win you fucking nigger.
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>>733604921
>private servers are shit
>classic is less shit, but still shit
vanilla fans just can't win
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>>733604925
And what is the advantage here? Dont have to walk into nearest mailbox? It has no effect to your gameplay.
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Someone ITT convince me to not start playing Classic (vanilla) again after years of not playing.

If I should play again, which version should I play? I only enjoyed vanilla, TBC and WotLK. What about hardcore?

Thanks in advance.
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>>733602165
>all that grinding and your characters are just gone forever
going to happen to the official servers eventually as well
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>>733605089
if you need to be convinced to play a game, you're not going to enjoy it
also
>reddit spacing
go back
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>>733605049
Retarded cumguzzling ESL
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>>733605126
>NOOOOOOOOOOOO SOMEONE PAID MONEY AND THEY DONT HAVE TO ROLL ENDLESS BANK ACCOUNTS NOW NOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE LOST THE BG BECAUSE THEY GOT MORE BAGSPACE FOR POTIONS!!!!!!

Take a step back and think how fucking ridicilous you are. There's not much going on in your life is it?
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nobody tell anon that this is a risk that all mmo's, official or otherwise, face
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>>733605124
Can someone who's not a complete faggot answer my question, please?

Thanks in advance.
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sure is dead!
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>>733605217
And why isn't this something that could be unlocked in the game, without paying money?
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>>733605089
Just go Turtle. Its free. A different spin of Classic WoW where the fundamentals are the same but details are completely different, hardcore.
What is wrong is that the problems are same as in Vanilla. The custom content is laughably badly polished and uninspired and some of the rewards are completely busted.
Oh yeah and heavy Alliance bias.
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>>733602858
My Neopet is still around and old enough to drink. Sometimes I sit and wonder if he'll even outlive me.
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>>733605358
You can literally roll endless bank alts to have endless bankspace you spastic retard. Call your mom she's worried about you.
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>>733605338
Nobody wants to ERP as a goblin on Turtle. Just make a Helf or a Human and you'll be drowning in faggots.
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>>733605497
I don't want to spend time on a server that has the possibility of getting shut down. I already made that mistake once with Nostalrius.
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They dropped a trailer for a new zone a few days ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkAlFenxyNQ
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>>733605497
You'd legitimately be retarded to invest time in turtle with the executioners axe hovering so close to its neck.
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>>733605730
In what sense will it die then? The servers are not in legal reach of Blizzard and most of the team isn't either.
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How is Ascencion's warcraft reborn server?
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>>733602604
So true anon, keep fighting woke blizzard by giving your money to a bunch of troon scammers.
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>>733605669
>>733605730
Thats life. Wow! You gonna die some day and everything you did was for naught! Happy we got that out of the way and you're back to reality with us mortals.
Its about the journey, not the destination. You wont play the same character for years anyway.
I had good time with Nostalrius and great memories, but i would not log in back there today i think.
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>>733605835
Unfortunately for you, TWoW is free so I don't have to pay anyone.
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>>733605581
>woow, someone paid so they don't have to roll endless bank alts big whoop
>ok why can't you do this without money?
>OMG just roll more bank alts!!
????
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>>733605808
i tried it a few days ago, saw a bunch of people on the starting area but i dont see much discussion of it online. I might try to dive deeper during the next week and see what's up.
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>>733605880
I already know I'm gonna die one day, smart ass. The fact that I know my time is so limited makes it too valuable to waste it on something that is potentially weeks from getting shut down.

That's the last thing I'm gonna say about that.
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>>733605774
Make it impossible or extremely difficult to receive payments from the US and EU. Additionally a lot of their talent are Europeans and microsoft could make their lives harder. Without that the server would be for thirdies by thirdies funded entirely by thirdies. Even if you're not a filthy thirdie, would you really wanted to play on a server that has to cater exclusively to them?
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>>733605969
And it still doesnt affect your gaming what so ever what other people do!
I know CRAZY right???? You know your roommates girlfriend does not owe you sex just because they are having it in next room right??? People DO things around you and HAHA - IMAGINE - THEY DONT OWE YOU ANYTHING FOR DOING IT????????
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>>733605014
>>classic is less shit
Coping is off the charts.At least those PServers have no GDKP and bots farming everywhere without a care cause blizzard can't be arsed to put GMs
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>>733605706
The Thousand Needle dungeon looked legit cool. Dont know why Blizz cant make neat themed dungeons like that. Literally they could just copy Turtle's shit at this point.
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>>733602165
I'm scared of dying
Either there's an afterlife or there's nothing
Both are terrifying
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>>733606093
>The fact that I know my time is so limited makes it too valuable to waste it on something that is potentially weeks from getting shut down.
>he says as he posts on 4chan
Just goes to show that your time, and even my time, is all worthless. It's only as deep as you make it after all.
The difference is I'm not the one pretending it's valuable, that's some pretentious nonsense even the cattle spew.
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>>733606330
that would imply blizzard would like to be inspired by either vanilla or warcraft 3 when they make things instead of making Kingdoms of Troonmalur 2
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>>733606093
If you need assurance your time is not wasted, then you're not having fun during the process of getting to the end.
Because it will be time wasted in every possible way, does your character stay in the server hardrive a month or decade. Your time is not valuable because what you leave in there, its valuable through the enjoyment of spending it. You want the reward already instead of investing.
>>733606330
The problem is: most of the custom dungeons *look* cool. But play like shit. There's nothing interesting going on in there. The bosses have no mechanics, the trash does nothing, the items are completely overshot good and for me the worst thing: they are just boring to play. I never look forward to revisit them.
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>>733606509
>The problem is: most of the custom dungeons *look* cool. But play like shit. There's nothing interesting going on in there. The bosses have no mechanics, the trash does nothing, the items are completely overshot good and for me the worst thing: they are just boring to play. I never look forward to revisit them.
Sounds mostly just like vanilla dungeons.
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>>733606625
Even raids in Vanilla did not have many mechanics. All of them were quite simple, even somewhat gimmicky (like Nefarian having the ability to completely mess with your spells and shit)
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>>733605014
I miss the 2010's private server scene so much
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>>733606478
>>733606509


I can't help that I don't have many desires. All I want is to relive my memories in the most comfortable way possible, and that means not having to worry about the inevitable shutdown.

Stop trying to convince me to play on your dead tranny server. It's not going to work.
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>>733603403
true, i don't understand why people are talking about trannies and other shit, i guess i never interacted with them

there probably was some P2W shit but i didn't notice as all i cared about was just questing and i was a priest so i just grouped with random people out in the field, barely talked

>waiting outside a cave because i know the groups inside are too strong
>see some big strong warrior
>invite him
>he immediately accepts and we both clear the cave with the only communication being "my quest is done, thanks for the help" at the end
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>>733606625
Look at Deadmines. Its the first Alliance instance.
You got mechanics even there, and the areas are interesting, even the trash do shit.
You got Sneed in the Tresher, you got to kill the Tresher and then Sneed. Kinda simple.
You got the trash in the Furnance room, Goblins spawning golems to kill you etc. Simple.
Then you have Smite who has phases where he changes weapons, hell Edwin has two phases in a fight.

The bosses in Turtle do nothing like this, its such a shame. AND THE ENDLESS FUCKING TRASH. You go one room and you better be ready to do like 5 pulls to the doorway.
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Vanilla players have NEVER played it for difficult mechanics. If they did they would go play retail. That game caters heavily to that style of play.
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>>733606625
What fucking nonsense. Vanilla dungeons are memorable.
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>>733605497
You troontle shills are going hard today, huh. Not going to play on your tranny server.
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Retail players will legit have a mental breakdown if you don't do the equivalent of pic rel in every encounter of a dungeon
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>>733605808
It's Wotlk-esc-vanilla with mythic dungeons
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>>733607059
Yeah, the shilling sales pitch of calling the server "laughably bad and uninspired".
Do you fucking idiot even know what the word you are using means?
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>true, i don't understand why people are talking about trannies
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>shenna and other devs cant leave russia
>if they do they'll be arrested under the international crime law
and people are thinking they wont budge under blizz lawsuit.
shenna cant live without her montenegro trips
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>>733607093
>was eyeing SoD some time back
>oh yeah they turned BFD into a raid
>pull up a video of the last boss
>it just has retail mechanics
>watch a Sunken Temple raid boss
>it just has retail mechanics
Im convinced Aggrend and his cronies are just retail rejects. Everything they have added is just to cater to retail and retail-adjacent players. Its great for them since once they see those Classic+ survey results they will absolutely use that as an excuse to put in a proper M+ and other bullshit.
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>>733607337
>her
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>>733607337
People don't want to believe that Blizzard could have access to flight records or interpol agents at any and every airport, but they are backed by Microsoft now.
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>>733602165
Just like every single retail patch.
Except your cosmetics of course, which means the game has become a barbie doll dress up simulator with matchmaking.
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>get excited for fresh
>get to level 30-40
>get bored quit
>repeat
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>>733602698
>Kill the "black" dragonflight
>Alliance leaders call you racist
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>>733606138
You are legitimately retarded

Not the anon you are replying to, btw.
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>>733605669
The devs of Nostalrius were pussy whipped goody two shoes that trusted a bunch of wallstreet goons to do vanilla wow right.
Turtle wow ain't perfect but its clearly not going anywhere.
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>>733602165
The best part about another private wow server getting nuked is that it won't increase Blizzard's profits at all. Imagine all the money wasted persecuting a bunch of randos on the other side of the planet and all it gets you is even more ill will from all the people who were never going to give you money in the first place.
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>>733608357
Rich and powerful people are like that, they just enjoy stepping on people and ruining lives.
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>>733608357
literally you
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>>733608603
I sincerely doubt the boardrooms full of graph paper brained suits who made the decision to go after Turtle Wow actually got any enjoyment out of any of it. They just felt that they had to because [insert corporate nonsense that only makes sense to corporate types]. Copyright and all the bullshit laws set up to support it have done more damage to human society than just about anything other than niggers.
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>>733608828
Not at all.
>So what if someone is stealing your shit? Just like, let them, because the people they're selling the shit they stole from you to wouldn't buy that shit from you anyway.
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>>733608747
Son, the bike in the scenario you're trying to allude to here is still firmly in the hands of Blizzard. No one stole it, they just didn't pay Blizzard to use a completely separate bike. And the people who play on private servers were never, ever, going to give their money to Blizzard. Run along and eat some crayons while the adults continue talking.
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>>733608947
>stealing my shit
>my shit is still right where I left it
>entirely unrelated people in an entirely unrelated place are using shit identical to mine
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>>733602165
Moral of the story: only play private servers if the officials servers are no longer available
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>>733609007
>>733609103
samefag
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>>733609152
Refute the point. I'll wait.
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Blizzjeets LOVE oinking and squealing for their Turtledaddies
New zone, TWO new leveling dungeons and a new raid coming in the next patch
https://youtu.be/fkAlFenxyNQ
https://youtu.be/ji9v7ZbDBb0
https://youtu.be/-dLuxp1hNAk
https://youtu.be/WJouJ8n-dto

Poor poor Blizzjeets they try so hard to please their daddies but they only get laughed at.....
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Damn you lads convincing me to go back to turtle.
IDK if I should keep trying to play ambershit or just play my old characters on nord.
I have way more fun on nord cause I actually have gold there.
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>>733609180
I suggest you look up intellectual property laws.
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>>733604653
it's p2w and if you think otherwise you are being dishonest with yourself
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>>733602337
uhh what do you mean, it's not run by Blizzard...
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>>733609590
But you can get free turtlecoins by playing the game blizzjeet.... Why are you so brown????
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>>733609465
I'm aware of them. They do not reach across the ocean, let alone beyond the borders of their country of origin. The laws only back the claims of companies based within those borders. I'm still waiting for you to refute my previous point. Telling me to google laws isn't an argument.
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>>733609230
Will they nerf paladins in the next patch?
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>>733610196
Iirc the patch notes are already out.
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>>733610196
>play paladin a year ago
>hate pvp because every BG has a million shamans and you just get spam purged so you might as well unbind your blessings and seals
>quit
>come back recently
>roll a shaman on ambershire
>now every BG has a million paladins
>purge now has a fucking cooldown so can't make them suffer the way I did when I was a paladin fighting shamans
very cool
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Is Vanilla on official servers worth playing, or did they niggerfy that as well?
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>>733604445
>>733605170
Oh no, a domain change!
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>>733610464
It's filled with bots that blizzard doesnt want to get rid of + forced refreshes as far as I'm aware
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>>733610464
the community on every blizzard server is full of insufferable faggot losers
not to mention you can get chat reported for the most harmless shit
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>>733602165
Odd that Blizz waited for so long to finally kill it.
Guess this means classic+ is getting announced soon(tm).
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>>733610364
Now imagine playing on the pvp server
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>>733604821
I wish Turtle added boosts, gold buying, instant teleport when using flight paths, x15 leveling option, pre bis level 60 characters to the shop, it wouldn't affect you in any way, and would only be convenience for the people who pay.
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>>733602165
Am I the only one that doesn't care at all if my characters get wiped from a server? I actually think it's a good thing to have a reset every now and then, they should do it on official servers too.
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>>733610559
On PVP servers as well?
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>>733610654
Unfortunately we're playing a private server and not blizzard's servers which actually has some of that kek
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>>733610735
Same for me, played on retail, several versions of classic, and private servers and most of my characters are abandoned. I enjoyed the time I spent playing but I don't care anymore.
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yes turtle wow will eventually get shut down. really. but it's still impressive it's stayed alive this long. also, if you made a shit ton of characters on a private server it's on you. you're supposed to minmax 1 character and call it a day.
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>>733610629
I learned long ago only faggots play on pvp servers.
unironically the only good thing blizzard ever did was invent warmode, just sucks they have server phasing. warmode would be perfect on non phased servers
opt in > zerg 24/7 faggotry.
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>>733602165
I really really wish Hardcorefags were forced onto Warmode so I can kill them when they steal my mobs.
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Alex won.
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>>733610834
>he doesn't know.
Still, my point is where do you draw the line between convenience that "doesn't affect you" that's acceptable and that's not? All of it is shit and shouldn't be part of the game.
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>>733610523
That's their new domain, isn't it? Here's their old one. Neither works.
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>Midnight is such a flop that retailbabies are lashing out at twow again
Kekaroo
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>>733602929
yes
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>>733609230
they really should focus on life improvements update that classic wow has, like adding additional options.
i can't even find an option to see the enemy's cast bar....
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>>733614717
It works now?
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>>733606325
>pservers
>no GDKP
lmao
>perservers
>having GMs
LMAO
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>>733616130
I just asked a Gm in lbrs to help loot an unlootable item.
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>>733615826
It does now, it didn't for me 30 or so minutes ago. Maybe they just had an outage.
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>>733605659
Honestly I haven't found much erp at all.
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>>733602440
>>733602698
>>733602858
What's the point of this thread?
Is this shitposting bait worth anything?
Are you superior to private server players? Is that it?
Are you mad that people get to enjoy different things even if those are ephemeral?
Are you fishing for (You)'s?
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>>733606441
The good news is that if its the latter you wont even know. And if its the former, you might not know either. Heck you might be on your 50th reincarnation right now for all you know.
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>>733605338
SeeOP
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>>733614717
>>733616706
Oh, I thought you were shitposting. It was working fine when I entered the thread, so probably just a brief disruption somewhere along the line like you said. The game servers were fine. I spent all afternoon in BGs.
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>>733602165
good riddance. private servers all open you up to an RCE exploit on older clients anyway. the only good way to play is your own server with playerbots
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>>733602751
He's lying
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WoW was never good
It was EQ for casuals
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>>733610654
Man I hate gamerdads
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Project Epoch nerds are still mad huh?
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>>733602165
anon I don't think anyone who is playing any MMO on a private server is going to be surprised when the game goes down
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>reeee I hate turtle because they banned me for following around random players calling them trannies!!!!!
lmao
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I really have no dog in the whole Classic+ race because I'm an OSRS player, it's just the better designed MMO, but I don't see why Blizzard shouldn't just approach the Turtle WoW developers at this point and offer to hire them. They clearly understand what WoW players want more than Blizzard themself does. Blizzard can just polish what they've already developed into an official Classic+ while working with them to develop more.
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>>733624613
They wont because theyre too prideful. Hiring them would mean they have no idea what classic players want. Same thing that happened with Nostalrius.
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>>733603656
Lol they have added brand new zones, quests and dungeons. Cope harder
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>>733624613
Already happened with a private server before and blizz fucked them.
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>>733602165
>all that grinding and your characters are just gone forever lol
So? My interest in the character is lost once I have finished grinding what it was I wanted to obtain. Are you saying you actually have some personal attachment to your video game characters? Fucking idiot lmao
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I can't imagine actual human beings would defend Blizzard at this point, it has to be bots
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all i want is vanilla but with some of the bigger mechanical problems fixed and more content. i don't want total class overhauls or mythic+ or whatever retarded horseshit.
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>>733623787
I imagine it takes a lot to catch a meaningful ban. I've seen people throw around "faggot", anti-tranny talk, and some dude even had screencaps of someone calling him a niggerfaggot. I know for a fact the niggerfaggot guy is still playing since that cap was posted in world weeks ago, and he's been in a few of my WSGs/ABs.

>>733624613
Blizzard is run by retarded faggots who're allergic to sense.
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>>733624613
Blizzard won't do that because they will never give free content like turtle does and blizzard will insert the wow tokens and other paid garbage into it. Anybody still excited about a blizzard version of classic+ has lost their mind
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>>733624613
>Hire fans
>Then tell them to make it gay and lame
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>>733610654
The fact you bring this up ironically just solidifies the argument that buying for bag space is not P2W.
Also all of this is in retail by full, so you could argue TWoW is less P2W than retail.
>>733624613
TWoW doesnt really offer anything else than free version of the game. Blizzard already had the Classic + nonsense in Season of Discovery that blew these fan games out of water. TWoW is not made by professionals and it really shows, the quest and dungeon design are amateurish and most of the class balance is done by pure favoritism and feel biased decision. Its not a good product the slightest.
>>733625806
Pretty much this, but putting in the work and improving QoL and polishing the 20year old game is not exciting or *cool*. People want to make their own dungeons with their own *cool* items and Donut Steel characters. Funny i cant name a single custom character of any dungeon.
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>>733607386
what the hell is a "retail mechanic"
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>>733631342
Actual engagement and challenging that 'The Unc' will not want to do since they just want to tank and spank Molten Core for another 20 years.
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>>733631342
Mechanics for axe wounds
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>>733631430
and those mechanics are.... ?
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>>733631453
>>733631394
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>>733624613
>"You guys don't know what you want. You think you do, but you don't."
>Private classic+ servers boom in popularity
>Make your own shitty "official" classic server
>Try to shut down the other ones
Because Blizzard is part of the chosen race and they never ever admit defeat or that they're wrong.
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>>733602858
Does that really matter if the game sucks dick? Like, the game that you enjoyed 15 years ago changed so much that nowadays it's a complete different game. May as well start over in classic if you want to play again
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>>733631469
yeah i saw your reply and think its probably true but id like that guy to articulate his opinions on what the difference between classic and retail actually is
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>>733631453
Anything that requires me to move constantly and be attentive
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>>733624613
>I'm an OSRS player, it's just the better designed MMO
lmao, lol
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>>733631480
>You think you do, but you don't
Time proved him right. Seethe all you want, but he wasn't wrong.
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>>733624613
The problem is blizzard makes money from subscriptions. the turtle devs don't. This means the turtle devs crack down hard on bots and rmt while also replacing a lot of the vendor gold farms with AH gold farms, which makes the games economy not hyperinflated.
All of these are things blizzard could easily do. But they won't. Because bots and gold sellers make them money. So any blizzard server will never be in as good of a state as turtle is.
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>>733632927
buy an ad, tranny.
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>>733633261
cope&seethe cuck. you are an equal to the chinese bots ruining the experience in the eyes of blizzard.
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>>733633261
Buy more gold from Zhao, Blizzcuck.
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>>733632359
they literally did and then they didnt want it that much
you dont understand how time progresses
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>>733631192
>The fact you bring this up ironically just solidifies the argument that buying for bag space is not P2W.
It's pay for convenience, just like everything I mentioned, that was my point. Also >>733611296
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>>733607093
I don't get it
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>>733606843
You're on /v/, everyone here lets trannies live rent free in their head and goes out of their way to bring them up any time possible. Case in point, >>733607207
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>>733631342
Orchestrated dance routines. Soak, stack, hot potato, spread, all with bunch of situational modifiers (soak only if you have red buff while passing hot potato to the guy with blue buff which he has to detonate near people with green buff)
It is incredibly fucking tiring design that at some point makes you wonder if you are fighting the boss or compete in zoolander tier fashion walk.
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>>733602604
I would want you to enjoy old games if the old games you played weren't terrible dogshit. Vanilla WoW was never good. The game didn't become playable until TBC and it didn't become good until Wrath. Vanilla had a good world but absolutely atrocious game design.
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>>733605014
The whole WoW sphere is divided to microgroups and people still don't get it why this sucks ass. Instead of the game being the glue which holds everything together it just makes everything messy, because these versions are not even the same game anymore. The absolute worst thing you can do is ask a wow player how WoW should be, or worse, make a WoW player a developer.
There was classic+ and what did people do? They parsed a lvl 20 dungeon.
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>>733635235
and yet all evidence shows to the contrary. far more vanilla players than tbc or wotlk.
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>>733635235
>Vanilla WoW was never good
Vanilla is when WoW peaked. Everything after feels some degree worse.
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>>733605358
You get the premium currency by playing the 'challenge' mode slow&steady and get to 60 with it. So you can grind for all the cash store rewards if you are good at boosting alts
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>>733635968
There are also more people watching soccer than strongman, yet the latter is the superior sport. We call this delusional contrarianism.
>>733636142
This is delusional as well.
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>>733636431
>This is delusional as well.
Yes, it couldn't possibly be that not all of us appreciate the same things about the game. A pleb who thinks that Wrath was when WoW got good instead of when it solidified its deviation from what originally made it great isn't someone who should be calling others delusional. Enjoy your themepark bullshit, mythic+, and parsefaggotry. Retail is the culmination of what Wrath (and to a lesser degree TBC) began after all.
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>>733635219
Most of these are literally in MC LOL
If you just dont want to play the genre, then dont but why waste your time bitching about it?
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>>733602165
>redownload the game a month ago
>same night both my yahoo and steam account got hacked by some Russhit from Latvia
I managed to get them both back but still, LOL!
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>roll a notblood elf
>fanmade voice lines by some russian bitch
Fucking yikes, dude.
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>>733602858
Not a single soul gives a fuck tho
It's not 2008 anymore where your character meant something, everything is account bound anyway, realms barely mean anything, the game is gay and expansion are so fillery that they blend together
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>>733631192
>Same shill arguing that bags aren't p2w
>Again
Holy fuck they must pay you well
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>>733637530
As compared fo the gold sellers and official lvl 60 wow tokens? What is your point?
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>>733637614
Bags are p2w. Why are you so defensive over that?
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>>733637648
Nta but you must ve severely disabled to think bags are p2w
I'll pray for you Blizzjeet
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>>733637689
>Biggest bag from the start
>Or repair/auction/vendor summons
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>>733607386
you're an idiot, i played season one of sod (the only good one) and the raid felt nothing like retail. it was easy as fuck with basically no mechanics, just like classic.
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>>733637785
>Blizzdrone praising retail-lite
Take Aggrends dick out of your mouth and kys.
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>>733637785
>calling people an idiot when you voluntarily gave blizz money to get fucked in the ass
lol lmao
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>>733637773
>All literally available on retail, with shop too
>Stil thinking any of this matters in leveling experience
>Thinking if someone has something, its something taken from you
You're borderline sociopath and think the world is indebt to you, but since its not fulfilling your narcistic delusions it got to be 'the wrong thing'.
Its just a fucking videogame, why do you care what other people do when its not even PvP?
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>>733602165
Jokes on you. I leveled to max level and did one raid and then uninstalled after failing to level a hardcore character
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is wow even good? also why did they cancel the unreal 2.0 thing?
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>>733602165
Don't care.
Playing Tauri and Ebonhold.
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>>733638932
Their competition with a better client died so they don't have to try anymore.
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>>733637126
Then why is the number 1 complaint about vanilla by retailers that MC is boring with no mechanics, fucking faggot
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>>733635907
>these versions are not even the same game anymore.
That's a good thing. Private WoW servers are singlehandedly keeping the MMO genre alive. New private servers are literally and unironically the only "new MMOs" I'm looking forward to. Sad, maybe, but better than nothing.
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>>733602165
>thinking this bother people whose entire gaming experience has been pic related for 20+ years
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>Saaaaaaar!
>Sar do not redeem the thieve tortoise! It will bring bad luck upon your Gabrudibdi sar! You reincarnate Dalit bloody blood sar!
>Microsoft product bring good fortune to you instead to use microsoft product sar! Good quality! No Problem!

Blizzranjahib isnt just fucking over their own content for 12,99 a month their servers are also full of subhumans that I would barely define as "people" killing everything thats close to an experience I would pay for. The last time coming im contact with them was because I wanted to play the Naga zone and the goblin starter again and the moment I had to interact with the drones I wished I would be back retard wrangling fas faced slavs and chinks again. Imagine having to resort to Jeeting on 4chan because your official version of private servers is so fucking bad.
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>>733641006
You could make your point without 15 buzzwords and schizo rants, lay off /pol/ for a while
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>>733602858
This is factually incorrect.
My classic priest that had benediction, aq opening event healing dagger, and Atiesh and a plethora of other characters got removed permanately after I refused to pay 80 dollars to "recover them.
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>>733604445
why do so many anons have this effeminate posting style nowadays? this is like how women vaguepost on twitter and tumblr
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>>733644527
They think everyone else thinks just like they do and have same information about everything, so there's no need to explain further
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>>733602165
MoM
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>>733631192
TWOW was 100x more enjoyable than SoD. The only issue with TWOW is that the end game gets boring because we have played it a million times by now. Bronzebeard is a step in the right direction by adding new mechanics to old fights. But it gets too autistic with difficulties.
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>>733602165
Making it different from any other server how exactly?
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>>733602604
take your meds shizo
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>>733602165
I think some people just get an endorphin rush from completing a checklist. My brother and I are at odds on this topic all the time. I think I noticed it the first time we played Borderlands, and he looked up a fucking build guide so that he didn't have to choose his skills, and we methodically completed every single quest in the game, one area at a time. That's just how some people play games I guess.

He absolutely refuses to play New Vegas because he can't complete all of the content in one playthrough.
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>>733647517
>He absolutely refuses to play New Vegas because he can't complete all of the content in one playthrough.
Well then he would loathe WoW since almost half the content is locked to the other faction.
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>>733647517
Your brother is a based completionist chad.
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>>733647823
Not exactly. He plays a lot of MMOs basically because they're not very fun. They're all about checklists. He doesn't want to PLAY games, he just wants to complete tasks. He doesn't ever PVP in MMOs, and he never makes his own builds he just looks up guides.

It's very confusing to me sometimes. We both liked Breath of the Wild and we both disliked Tears of the Kingdom. I didn't like it because it was too similar to BotW, he didn't like it because it was too DIFFERENT than BotW. He hated having to build things. I let him borrow my VR headset to play Half Life Alyx, and maybe a fourth of the way through he installed the no VR mod and played it with MKB and said he enjoyed it MORE that way. It's fascinating to me, but utterly incomprehensible.
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>>733602165
>MoM eltruT
huh?
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It was fun leveling a tauren. Moo!
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>>733649229
He absolutely is. Its fun to play some games with him, but it sucks the fun out of others. He's really into OOT randomizers right now, but he doesn't speed run, he just likes doing all the checks. It's fucking weird.



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