Chuds lost.This is our series now.
Pre-ordered.Escape will make me chud.
>>733602463>chuds larping as woke tards nowSad life you live
>>733605112Arc is far better.Cope chud.
>>733605112schizo
>>733602463>4chan trolls will look you right in the reply button and say this game isnt cool as fuck looking
I'm a big Marathon looking forward to-er and I am triggered right now.
>>733606301The problem was never the aesthetic its the fact all this is to support a fucking extraction shooter
>>733606301no? it's because its' an extraction hooter
>>733606503>>733606795Low testosterone detected.
>>733606301The one comment that irks me the most is that the characters look Concord ugly, like what the fuck are these people smoking?Look, i agree, Concord characters were woke and gay. Highguard’s were bland and uninspiring. I got no problem admitting that, but Marathon? No you niggers are tweaking. That just culture war brain rot speaking.
>>733606301It isn't cool looking.
>>733607063I just don't like the idea that I win by not killing others
>>733606301>Looking like random bionicle figurines >cool
>>733606301Nice cutscene modelsnow show us the ingame one, shillgod i can't wait for the layoff announcement
>>733607240Yea Marathon looks even worse. I can get a good chuckle at Daw, the trash can robot, or that Black lady with Purple hair. Marathon is just Vomitpunk garbage.
The pastel color palette was the single worst design choice they could have possibly madeYou ever see those airsoft videos with some turbo tard wearing a plain red hoodie among otherwise earth tone or urban colors?Easy fucking target every time and this extraction shooter decided to vomit bright colors everywhere? Completely braindead design choice
>>733608103>You ever see those airsoft videos with-no. i dont watch airsoft videos. fag.
>>733606301some parts of it look cool, other parts of it look extremely blandin game stuff is also desaturated compared to the key art and overall the character aesthetic is super poorly conveyed in gameanyway it's a fucking extraction shooter so no amount of art is gonna make me play this slop
Destiny was handled so fucking badly that I don't really feel much giving it a chance. Maybe Sony has had the sense to whip them into shape, but who knows.
>play marathon!
>>733606301It's not just that it isn't cool looking, it's completely unispired dogshit.
>>733608103this nigga thinks high-vis shit is the same as soft, pale pastels lmao that's how i know you ain't got no bitches
Characters running around with super soakers. How fun
>>733609131>anyway it's a fucking extraction shooter so no amount of art is gonna make me play this slopi do not understand this sentiment. a good game is a good game.
>>733606301None of that looks cool except the first image because it screams "professionally disposable". And it's a fucking extraction shooter.
>>733609352Dios mio....
>>733605112>nowwhere have you been for the last fucking decade
>>733609672>And it's a fucking extraction shooter.>>733609131>anyway it's a fucking extraction shooter>>733606795>no? it's because its' an extraction hooter>>733606503>a fucking extraction shooterholy fuck this board is filled with shitters afraid to ever play pvp and get their fragile egos shattered.
>>733606301I like the first image because it almost looks like a motoGP racer, but then you see the full model and of course the lips are visible to show off sensuality because of course this is some retard homestruck derivative crossbred with pinterest search: "future soldier with full face helmet". Is it me or did they just go full "what if windows or apple UI elements were armour" meme after the first trailer?
>>733610127Extraction shooters are not "pvp". They are just methods to grief. You don't even want pvp. You want to pretend to be someone's friend and shoot them in the back of the head like a nigger.That's the only notable thing about this game is that faggots like you are complaining about Arc having ABMM and forcing you to actually commit to PVP instead of being a nigger.
>>733610127Why can't the game be 12v12?
how come every time a marathon thread dies a new bland one gets made within minutes and its always some vague sentence with the intent of generating engagementkinda strange behavior considering its the only type of thread about marathon being made
>>733610127>pvpvenigger genre, pick one or the other
NOOOOOOOOO COLORFUCK FUCK FUCK SAVE ME GENERIC SPACE MARINE GUY FUCK FUCK FUCK NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOI CANT DEAL WITH MOTOGP LIVERIES SAVE ME GENERIC NEAR-FUTURE-MILSIM ARMORED GUY WITH A RIFLE
>>733610652>"I'm a huge fan of the Marathon franchise but I hate the original games" the post
>>733606503what the fuck is wrong with extraction shooters? its literally just pvp fps with high stakes based on loot and getting out. its like having a vendetta against team deathmatch i do not fucking understand this. this feels like it comes from the same place that causes people to say the genre is "oversaturated" when in reality there are like 2 extraction shooters to choose from right now and one of them is almost a decade old. >why wasnt this a halo campaign style game that i play 2 times then never again instead of a genre with infinite replayabilityyeah im sure instead of a 40$ seasonal game with tons of replayability, they should have taken their controversial art style game people are already on the fence about, doubled the budget, charged 70$ and made a campaign game with zero replability, great idea!
>>733610705never said i was a huge fan of the franchise, im old enough to have played the original on release, but doomshit never appealed to me, i got into extraction shooters and this one looks decent and i like the art. I have no attachment to the original style which was boring to begin with.
>>733610948I mean the original trilogy is free on steam, but it's pretty fucking mediocre compared to most other shooters of its era
>>733610948we know sanjay that is why they pay you.
>>733610813>Grammar is impossible>>733611214Bingo.
>>733605112It's actually the other way around but I suppose you're a gaslighter too.
>>733610127Its almost like the original games were regular old Doomclones and people expected that to be the genre.Like just slapping an old IP on an unrelated game is generally not a good move unless the new game is amazing. The only time I've ever seen it work was Prey (2017) and it still took several years for people to come around on it.
>>733610127Insulting your potential buyers is not gonna increase your sales bungo. You decided to make a niche game during your worst financial period and let your main cash cow die, not very smart honestly.
>>733602463>This is our series now.>nowit's at least nice that you admit to being tourists
>>733602463Yet again, this is a PRIME example of why gatekeeping is absolutely essential for legacy creations and non-troonified products.
>>733607898Clown vomit is board culture touristnigger
>>733602463I can't relate to the kind of person who could think this was a good image to shill your skinner box. The nu-Marathon looks like a fucking clown in a wet suit
>>733610948how do i get into the creator program? do i have to apply somewhere or is it only by invitation?
>>733610589It's going to be this way all the way up to launch. Then for at least 2 weeks after launch you can expect a bunch of obnoxious faggots making green line threads preemptively celebrating success or failure, accompanied by threads like>GO WOKE GO BROKE (game is just ugly, not woke)>GO WOKE, GO-ERM RICH!?!!?" (above)>It's actually 12/10 kinographic ludokino kinogem, what's /v/'s excuse?>THIS GAMEPLAY IS FIRE (ironic, video of bad gameplay)>THIS GAMEPLAY IS FIRE (unironic, video of thinly disguised destiny gameplay, uninspiring)>uhm /v/ pretending it's not woke now (it's not) because it's good!?!?! Everytime!>What went wrong? (image of green line 2 minutes after launch with low number)>What went right? (image of green line with mediocre number, first response is reddit-tourist level ragebait)>What went right? (picture of twitch viewers, number irrelevant as long as it's not bad)>What went wrong? (picture of bad twitch viewer numbers)>Ragebait post (Journo article shilling)>Ragebait post (Journo twitter post)>Engagement bait pretending to be unironic (Journo article nobody on either side should respect)>Ragebait played unironically (Journo twitter post, especially Jason Schrier)
>>733606301Post a gameplay screenshot.
>>733610127Haha holy shit they ALL came back to defend themselves. Nice work
>>733610948> im old enough to have played the original on release>I existed when it didwow congratulations to your biggest achievement>>733611061>lets downplay the greatness of the original to make our slop look better
>>733610589Literal paid shills that's been going on for almost a week because Bungie is on the brink of total financial collapse and this is their last desperate attempt at survival. They don't realize that the more they force this shit the more they drive away people, I was unironically on the verge of buying this game before all the obnoxious shilling started and turned me of.
>>733612197It's worse. We do it for free.
>>733612197I would have played the game if it was F2P even if it locked classes you had to buy. But they decided to instead put a pricetag on a game that looks like it was made in 2 years as a destiny dlc made standalone.Might still play the beta, dunno. But I'm not paying $40 and I'm not going to pick up the game in 3 months when they go F2P after announcing paid dlc.
>>733612280Is it really that bad over at Bungie? I heard some of you were on the verge of killing yourselves. Does it ever get awkward with the trannies?
>>733611749is it a reference to this?
>>733612467It's a reference to being a gay clown
>>733612602: (>>733611749You don't like his gay little pistol that would be a nightmare to unholster?
>>733612154>gachashitAnyways the only thing that Marathon going for it were the terminals and the fact that it had alt-fire and akimboBesides that all the enemies were laughably lame and the level design was ass
>>733612448F2P makes multiplayer communities infinitely worse so no thanks
>>733613047Can't get any worse than it already will be. "People" are already rallying behind turning Marathon into a KOS game out of spite for people not doing it in other games and being rewarded for it in Arc
>>733602463its game is so weird the more I think about it.For me, this game its like they had an upcoming project with no direction, but they decided to call it Marathon so they can renew the copyright of the IP.
>>733613003Marathon had some of the dopest levels ever
>>733610295>sees a dude's mouth>kneejerk reaction is to obsess over the sensuality of his lips
>>733613598>dudeimplying
>>733610948>i got into extraction shooters and this one looks decentWhat looks decent? Was it everyone who played it saying it was bad and bland.>They fixed it I keep seeing this posted but not a single name or video or reference
>>733605236>Arc is far better.this but unironicallyI can guarantee you marashart isn't going to get a special video from a 10 mil subscriber nongaming youtube channel like chad raiders didhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kII9xxDdQeM
>>733606301The trailers and cut scenes were cool. But they don't look nothing like the cinematic trailers.
I wanna play Marathon but I am too shy to use voice chat in any game plus I am insecure as a good shut in would be + spicy accenti keep requesting advice or help
>>733613697>implying your double digit IQ ass can follow a reply chainback to xitter
>>733606301it just doesnt have aura man
>>733614041Don't worry nobody in this game is going to bother with voice. It's just silent kill-on-sight pvp in every single instance that the game has shown and playtesters have experienced. Bungie keeps trying to pretend otherwise but the ship is seconds away from an iceberg and it takes 3km to turn.
>>733614272he's still going to have to talk to his teammates though
>>733614350Unlikely.
>>733613502Aside from Rose and the very few Phfor ship levels near the end, the vast majority of them were ass
>>733613003>>733614448zoomers love ass, what gives?
>>733612154Marathon was literally just mac doom with dual wielding, relax lmao
>>733614272rook system has some small incentive for cooperation, not as much as arc raiders though (thank god)
>>733614594>just mac doom>justdoom is still one of the best PC games ever and marathons netplay was even better
>>733613759>Was it everyone who played it saying it was bad and blandthe april test from last year had middling impressions, however recent tests have people reporting the game has undergone significant changes. art style, dialing in balance, time between encounters, ttk, more points of interest. people forget that arc raiders was considered very average right up until its final test
>>733609336Seraph was certainly a season, but the dungeon was good.
>>733613997good, this guy got raped in a mental clinic, i dont want him making videos about a game i like
>>733614041dont worry, bungie actively discourages people to use any kind of chat and have done so since destiny
>>733606301This looks terrible. Like the fake game art you'd see on a crappy 2000s gpu box
>>733613119>"People" are already rallying behind turning Marathon into a KOS game out of spite for people not doing it in other games and being rewarded for it in Arcgood news, it already is kos game. its not a wholesome chungus hello kitty island adventure like arc. it's a pure pvp game.
>>733614448you have ass taste so why are you complaining?
>>733611749left looks like every single thing ive ever seen ever
>>733615301nta but of all the boomer shooters ive played, marathon had the most boring maps. level design was okay ish, but visually everything looks the same. would rather play any of the other boomer shooters when it comes to maps. marathon has good things about it but its definitely not the levels
>>733615335and right tickles your fancy?
>>733615301the modern interpretation of this would be so much more boring than what we got
>>733615449it looks better than the ss13 ass looking art on the left
>>733615449right isnt even the game. its early concept art for it that evolved into the current version. it was a wip design vision.
>>733615449yes, it feels like very little stuff ive seen before.it sticks out in my mind, i remember it. even if its a little flamboyant or plasticy, or gay, it feels so much more unique than what is, by now, incredibly generic brown and gun-metal grey space military shit
>>733602463>This is our series now.Own that woke trash! No one else wants it lol concord v2
>>733615519>>733615480>>733615335>>733615436>>733614594holy reddit bot swarm I know your worried your designated shill target gay IKEA remake will get dunked on by a 30+ year old game but try to ease off a little
>>733615618sorry man i cant look at insanely generic industrial military sci-fi, i cant pretend i want to see 200 more things that look like starship troopers im so fucking over it, i want something new i dont fucking care if its colorful or a little metrosexual, give me something besides artstation slop industrial space marine SHIT
>>733607063>>733610127You're talking about a genre where the most optimal strategy is to hide from everyone else until the very end where you shoot one guy in the back of the head when he's not looking
>>733615301That's from Infinity retard but my point still stands. Infinity is also the worst game of the three
At the end of the day, Destiny was a 10-year franchise exactly as planned. No reason Marathon won't be a mainstay.
>>733615742It's kinda hard to one shoot dudes in Marathon since everyone has Halo shields
>>733608103If your environment is filled with bright neon colours then wearing bright neon colours is camouflage
>consensus manufacturing thread how many times
>>733615917Then use a Destiny Linear Fusion and aim better.
>>733614041Start with a simple hi
>>733615701you're looking at art released during the 90s and complaining that it looks generic today now that we have hundreds of copy cats aping this style >>733615857>anvil>forge>most active netplayu got recked on duality didn't you
>>733615618i gave you a reasonable reply and in response i got virtual diarrhea as a reply. cool. kys.
>>733602463It sure looks cool and different maybe I'll try i->gameplay looks like Apex Legends mixed with Destiny 2 pvpWelp, what a waste.
>>733616053No I play skulltag and I play Security Guard in Samsara if I want some CBT
>>733615978The Zeus RG isn't nearly as strong and takes much longer to charge
>>733616228titanfall, helldivers, mechwarrior, any aliens game aside from isolation, planetside, halo, space marine games (the ultramarines themselves aside, the aesthetic of the astra militarum is basically industrial futuristic military shit)IM JUST OVER IT I WANT SOMETHING FUCKING NEWWWWWWW. I know you'll just say none of these are like original marathons concept art but you know in your heart they are, its the same fucking shit. its the same. if i see one more fucking guy that looks like this im going to fucking scream
>>733616589NTA but do you have a problem with the androids from Synthetik?
Marathon haters are about to be raped ingame on Feb 26th
>>733606301Weapons and some of the environment looks horrible. Character are fine.
>>733617417it's like the exact opposite
>>733602463The only way you can get me to play an extraction shooting is if it's a Chinese gacha game
>>733617327You mean the arc raiders players? They're going to be raped in proximity chat in marathon????
>>733617529Just say you're from Jakarta at this rate
>>733617539>"h-hi im friendly-">"BEND OVER"
>>733617672very boring
>>733617327are you allowed to say that word when shilling? do the community managers not call you out?
>>733617729Shilling? I do this for free, bitch. You're getting dragged into the streets and RAPED in front of your neighbors if you don't buy this game on the 5th.
>>733617789Aw looks like someone is mindbroken from /dg/ turning into Bungie Rape General and calling for the rape of youtubers and everyone at bungie! How cute!
>>733617672God Destroyer is such a chad
>>733618053he's a BEAST
>>733617672>>733618183what? do you play as predefined characters or something, i thought you would create your own character.
>>733618413The best way I can describe it is like Warframe or mecha games where you're playing as mass produced models that fulfill the same purpose as classes
>>733618413there's classes that shills insist on calling "shells" or "runners". One has literal wallhacks which is definitely not antithetical to the genre or anything. Another is TF2 spy but worse. etc etcsoloplay has a unique one that's basically just a robot that doesn't get targeted by PVE robots>>733618557It's not like Warframe because Warframe has infinitely more creativity and variety and unhinged abilities.
>>733618594Warframe has operators so nah it's retarded
>>733616589The world doesn’t revolve around you
>>733618594>One has literal wallhacks which is definitely not antithetical to the genreits a slow tracking ping that also detects enemy cpu with no distinction if its a player. and players can use a consumable that prevents them from getting pinged.
>>733618692I'm not saying it's good lore, but children/teens in timefuckery controlling psychotic mass-murdering humans-turned-fleshgolems is more interesting than debt-monkeys controlling plastic dolls.
>>733606301Looks so fucken uninspired and bland.Kill yourself
>>733619054what other game looks like that
>>733619054>it already has fanart before releaseYou aren't ready for what's coming.
>>7336189301999 and the expanded universe of Warframe is fucking shitSometimes less and is a lot LOT more and the more we learned of the Orokin and how utterly retarded they were, you have to suspend more and more disbelief regarding their entire competence. DE has raped the lore just as hard as 343
>>733619482Ball Ass was right.
>>733619324What do you mean already? This game has been known about for like 2+ years did you not think somebody somewhere would do anything for the game? What a stupid angle of shilling.
Well i liked the aesthetics but not having your own character is incredibly lame, whats the point of having a minimalist tech-pop design and you can't drip your character out.
>>733619638you are so dumb and out of touch
>>733619869>says man who is painfully out of touc and having a hysterical meltdown over a product's potential popularity as if he has a bomb collar on
Why do devs keep releasing multiplayer extraction shooters like they're single player rpgs?
>>733620025Because it's incredibly easy and low effort, with the hopes that players themselves fill the gaps that the sparse content leaves.
I will be accepting apologies 3 days from now.
>>733620720game doesn't launch till march
>>733602463POUCHES, POUCHES EVERYWHERE. WE'RE GONNA NOMURA THIS SHIT BUT WITH POUCHES INSTEAD OF BELTS AND ZIPPERS
>>733619864You better believe it!
>>733620808>A couple of weeks to wrap this upOh wow! they ARE fucked.
>>733619915You didn't see this shit for Concord or High Guard (which are shit games btw)
>>733606301looks bad
>>733621596You did, you just didn't care to find it.
>>733621706Can you show it then?
nah im gonna waifu slop br game insted
>>733621816>you just didn't care to find itproving the point
>>733621706Were they doing cosplay pre-release?
>>733606301Now post what they look ingame
Cool, I hope the modern audience buys the game this time around lmao
>>733622048Literally no one cared about Deadlock or Highguard enough to make fanart for it before release
>>733622336That's the ingame models tho?
>>733622874no it's notpost the ingame models
>>733622859deadlock is in alpha
>>733622892?
What's the point of playing new extraction shooters? Kind of seems like mobage where it would be a better idea to just continue with the one you've already made progress on.
>>733623080there you go
>>733623113Dead dev cycle?
>>733623113Force-wiping so everyone starts at nothing. However with very limited upwards mobility the wiping is overkill. Bungie just thought "how could we do a game where we sunset people's gear even more often" and they remembered Tarkov existed.
As far as interesting levels go, Infinity > 2 > 1. Marathon 2's levels are the most thought out and are a lot less bullshit than the original's, but it's a pretty boring game overall. When it was good, it was great. But when it was bad, it was dreadful. At least with Infinity, there were levels that were fun to explore with how weird and out there they could get, or with how the first level brought back the claustrophobic and eerie atmosphere of the first game.
>>733620025You mean all two of them that came out last year?
>>733623219>to be against it is to be against anything new or challenging in gaming>a fucking extraction shooter>months after the last one just released and has captured it's audience>a mountain of unhinged shilling that reeks of "Bungie (2014 onwards) is my personality"
>>733623506Yes, extraction shooters are a more novel genre than whatever the fuck you like. Certainly more novel and challenging than yet another FPS campaign.>months after the last one just released and has captured it's audienceYeah because there can only be one successful game in a genre. Arc Raiders has solved the entire design space for extraction shooters. Absolute retardation.
>>733623646this also reeks of cope and you are clearly venting something at me unprompted, "lehsca"
>>733623695meds
>>733623749>no u
Enjoy your game
arc raiders doesn't have robot girls in it
>>733623818That's good. I want actual robot girls, not junkbots like Arc or humans-but-retarded in marathon.
The shilling campaign here for marathon reminds me of when the lawbreakers shills tried to win people over with the phrase “fuck you, buy the game.” Really worked out for them.
>>733622087I want to crack her shellussy if you understand the drift of my meaning.
>>733623646extraction shooters are BRs but you get to keep your loot. its not fucking novel at all. its like saying TDM is novel when youve only played DM.
Funniest part about all this is that Marathon will do good initially.Which will make /v/ seethe.But it won't be a megahit that Sony wants and Bungie will still get fucked.Which will make the other side seethe as well lmao.It's gonna be another AC Shadows situation. Because Sony DEFINITELY did not pay 3.8B for Bungie just to get a fucking modest niche success lmao.
>>733624534yep this is the kicker if its not at least arc raiders tier success bungie is donezo
>>733624534I mean, that's exactly what happened with Destiny and it worked out. Marathon just need to not flop hard and keep a steady amount of players.
>>733624534>Sony DEFINITELY did not pay 3.8B for Bungie just to get a fucking modest niche success lmaoYeah they bought them for their live-service experience and then all of the live service games horribly crashed, burned, or were cancelled. Marathon needs to be nuBungie's biggest game launch ever.>>733624745Which one? Because Destiny lasted less than a week before people turned against it and Destiny2 almost killed the studio a few months after launch.
>>733624824>Yeah they bought them for their live-service experience and then all of the live service games horribly crashed, burned,People forget that part. Bungie gave Concord the greenlight so they're on the hook for Concord too. This thing needs 700k CCU on steam alone if they want to make back the money they've lost Sony. Having Hunt-tier playercount is not good.
>>733624984Nah they just need to have like 500k and ideally sustain 250k+. But there's nothing going on in the game and the community already building up around the game to make sure it's as hostile as possible is antithetical to player retention.
>>733606301>people will look at these bullshots of cinematic models with trillions more polygons than they do in the game and say this is lit
>>733606301I'm not paying 40$ with MTX for a game with no cleavage. I hope this shit bombs.
>>733619324>already has fan art!Sure does, lol
>>733624824IMO i dont think they bought them soley for the live service experience, but to keep them away from Microsoft because Sony was in panic mode over MS swooping up Bethesda and Activision.
>>733622859Deadlock has a shitload of fan art, what are you talking about? There's pages of Ivy porn if nothing else.
>>733625135Nobody cares about graphic fidelity, it's not 2012 anymore
>>733625284>pages of Ivy porn if nothing elseexactly there IS nothing else.
>>733623646There's nothing novel about nuMarathon. It's destiny 2 PVP with the extraction mechanic bolted on at the end. That's literally it. The gunplay is whatever is in destiny 2. It has nothing novel or new in it. Nothing beyond a 'risky' art style that's turning off more people than it's pulling in.>there can only be one successful game in a genreThere's usually the top game and two or three alternates people cycle between. extraction as a genre has tarkov, hunt, and arc, and those three games serve everyone who wants to play PVP, PVE, or PVPVE. marathon is too late to the party and lost its window to challenge arc. and having to spend $40 to start playing is going to turn off even more people
>>733625351Everyone says graphics dont matter yet every game has graphics, curious.
I looked at the classes and it's just combining Destiny abilities with common BR/Hero shooter abilities. I guess what's interesting are the borrowed power to keep each season fresh instead of players with more hours always having a strict advantage over new players
dwarf fortress extraction game when?
>>733624745>it just needs a steady stream of playersYeah, because when I think of 'steady stream of players,' I'm thinking of 'hardcore PVP extraction shooter'
after seeing the artstyle and promo art float around for awhile i thought it would grow on me but it really hasnt. I dont think the fiction for the style really justifies itself enough, the game looks like it's set inside of a VR environment or a fictional fantasy world created by someone plagiarizing a bunch of artstation student graduation projects.
>>733625714Is it hardcore? Feels easier than Tarkov and Hunt
>>733625908It's just Destiny 2's competitive PVP mode that's pure sweat. It feels softer because it's wrapped in Bungie's floaty console shooting, but it's still a 'fuck you, you died, and your last half hour was totally wasted' extraction game
>>733625908Hunt has hardcore gun mechanics (headshots are lethal, reloads are long, no automatics except for one meme) but the economy is casual. You can buy out meta weapons every round and dying doesn’t really matter. Being broke matters in Marathon and gear fear is real.Tarkov is the most hardcore but I’d say Marathon is in second place.
>>733625908It's aimed at the hardcore audience and has gear wipes. They also had tarkov guys come in and playtest at one point and they hated it, allegedly. They only recently started to try changing perception in advertising to attract more players.
>>733626230I think it's clear they realized the game is going to live or die based on whether they can trick casuals into playing it, based on that stream with peanut since it was this glossy, bullshit experience where the PVP stuff was clearly held back.
>>733626084D2 pvp is the best part of it THOUGH. It's as sweaty as you want it to be, but there was very little actual depth besides warlock skating on dawnblade and I forgot if they ever fixed that but you definitely saw it less as time went on. It was mostly that the abilities that were OP and Marathon abelites don't look as game breaking or spammable like D2.
>>733606301>no fattiesthat's the only thing marathon has going for itrest looks gay af
>>733626230Oh yeah, Marathon has mandatory seasonal wipes every three months. I’m actually shocked they’re doing that; casuals will freak.
>>733626135>Being broke matters in Marathon and gear fear is real.Levelling up your faction lets you get better gear from them which allows you to get most of what you had back when you die. Not dying is better of course but it doesn't mean "oh no I'm back at level 1 and need to grind for hours to get all my stuff back".
>>733626278Well yeah, they need to mimic and maybe even do better than Arc Raiders which is so casual that I had a completely random friend who plays nothing like it to come out of nowhere and ask me to play it with them.
>>733626278Jackfrags thinks very little has changed since the alpha which he disliked last year and he's one of the softest reviewers ever
>>733626230The Tarkov guys came in to playtest like 3 years ago but I dunno whats going on with marketing now because everything up to the 2025 playtests was bad opinions all around. I did not follow Marathon in-depth so I dunno what changed besides some graphics updates
Its funny how closer the game to release is the more shill threads it gets even if the game was announced a long time ago.Before it was one a week and now its atleast two a day.
why do they keep calling bungie bungie? none of the straight white men that made it what it was have anything to do with it any more.it's like they keep calling economic zones "nations". words have meaning, make your own instead of riding the coat tails of white guys fucking loser wokaloids.
>>733606301These are empty husks with no personality in a world that's lifeless and dead. Marathon was originally designed as a hero shooter and the one thing all of these wannabe hero shooters like Highguard and Marathon fail to understand is that if the heroes don't have a personality you have nothing.
>>733626452That's not a lego, that's a duplo>>733626456Why do they keep calling Europe Europe when its all brown refugees?
Gay coded colors. Lame and gay.
>>733626452there isn't really anything to talk about in gaming news rn unless you're obsessed with hero shooters for some reason because every other big game came out in q4 already.
>>733626332>D2 PVP is the best partYeah, it's such a fun and engaging game mode it's been dead in Destiny for years.>>733626394Bungie is trying to put lipstick on a pig and has been since last year. It's too late for them to change anything major in how the game plays, so it's like that infamous George Lucas clip of him saying 'it's designed to be like that and we can't undo it, but we can diminish the effects of it'.>>733626456>why do they keep calling bungie bungieBecause normalfags aren't critical thinkers and don't understand a company's name is just a logo on the building and not the people at the company.
>>733626481> These are empty husks with no personality in a world that's lifeless and dead.Yes, that’s the point. They are literally called “Shells” and the lore is obviously about how this world ended.Concord and (to a lesser extent) Highguard’s heroes did have personality. Awful personality. Marathon isn’t going for that.There’s only 6 shells and it’s a pretty negligible part of the game.
>>733626508maybe we will remigrate them to israel
>>733626446Yeah that's what I mean. The game was in a state where they could have launched it in 2024 even but here we are in 2026 and they've burned all goodwill with the Destiny community and now they have actual competition. But for some reason now people are arguing that the game is fixed from all prior complaints because they upped the saturation. It's very weird.
>>733626695I'm not implying it would have been a good launch in 2024 btw just that they could have and probably planned to.
>>733626579It's been dead because Destiny itself has been dead since the latest expansion because they did sunsetting 3.0 after spending most of WItch Queen, Lightfall, and Final Shape undoing the sunset damage from Beyond Light. It also doesn't help that pvp balance is lowest on their priorities when something is too OP every time. I quit after Final Shape but to my understanding, its in a rough spot since last year due to the new stats and balances.
>>733619324The OC legitimately is a pretty good barometer that this game has way more genuine public interest than any flop title that third worlders are trying to compare it to
>>733613997>>733605236>LGBT raiderscope, if I want to play Trakov, I'll just play Tarkov. Not gender free casual shit
>>733626940Other anons have said it was also lousy with cheaters and pointed out how they're just going to move to Marathon because it uses the same engine as Destiny. I'm sure the $40 price tag will keep a few out, but it's still going to be bad.>>733627003>a-akshually, arc is the lgbt game!>just ignore the completely androgynous they/thems in Marathon>or that Marathon is being made by Bungie, who loves lgbt shit and forces it into their games and marketing whenever they canYou're not fooling anyone.
lack of extended beta and review NDAs until after launch is a huge red flag imo
>>733626959That artist is transexual and you posted this image before when using Bungie's talking point of proxy chat as if the game is going to be anything but a silent KOSfest
>>733627097>review embargo until launchBut isn't there a playtest next week that's free for anyone to try? How the fuck are they going to NDA that?
>>733627097You made that up
>>733627150nta but if true than by doing this they are trying to get rid of youtubers and "professional" reviewers and leave people to make isolated decisions
>>733627097Everyone can play it for five days, for free, this week. Is that not extended enough for you
>>733627269But there's no way you can make a game free to play for anyone and then try to stop people from talking about it. Not unless you have to sign up with some bullshit Bungie or Sony account so they can track and DMCA you if you try to make a Youtube review. And that would be marketing suicide.>>733627280>play for five daysWhat? I thought it was just next weekend. They're making it free to play for a whole week before launch?
>>733627280Deadlock development should be the gold standard, all this hiding behind the curtain shit looks duplicitous at best and at worst they're looking to scam casuals out of 40 dollars for an unplayable hardcore pvp extraction shooter.
Why do you label yourselves as “chuds”?
>>733627139I've never posted that image before?You're actually insane lmao
>>733627373Don't know how the archive works huh?
>>733627345Early-access games have become too much of a standard over the last decade if you ask me. Valve is usually secretive about their stuff, too, it's just that Deadlock is Ice Frog's pet project like Dota 2 so it gets that luxury of open and frequent updates.
>>733627334Well yes but that's the point, they want people to convince each other it's good and buy it on launch or ignore it altogether. They don't want a talking head on youtube to point out criticisms 3 days before release and give it a 6/10 that people agree with.
>>733627334Ya’ll don’t know ANYTHING
>>733626658>in a world that's lifeless and dead.It's not supposed to LITERALLY be lifeless and dead fool. Even dead and lifeless post apocalyptic worlds have plenty of life and personality to them. Its supposed to be a metaphor to describe it. As a vague description of the grim hopeless emotional despair the world is meant to convey. Marathon's world is lifeless and dead in the literal sense. Not the metaphorical sense. It's too sterile. Which is why it won't have enough to succeed.
>>733627496Open beta*
>>733627486Once people start playing, reviews are going up. Simple as. The marketing message is going to get away from Bungie the moment the playtest starts, and they know it.>>733627496Oh ok, so it's just next weekend. I'm expecting some hilarious threads.
>>733627547Those reviews will get dmca'd. People will try to skate around it by not saying it's a review.
>>733627425???Downloading an image from twitter gives multiple people the same filename
>>733625115>just need to have like 500k and ideally sustain 250k+Not even Helldivers 2 did that and that's a by far more successful game than this will ever be.
>>733627607Dude there's no NDA
>>733627607Anon, I can barely explain how suicidal it would be for Bungie or Sony to try DMCAing reviews for this game that already has a bad public perception. It would be a huge Streisand Effect, and those negative reviews would get 1000 more times engagement.Actually, I hope they are stupid enough to do that, because it would be really fucking funny.>>733627659>500k peak and 200-250k sustainThose are numbers Arc did, I think. Or close to it.
>>733627652damn you really dont
>>733627691This won't be as big as Arc.
>>733627496I just checked and the game also runs on a toaster. 2060 recommended is pretty insane for something releasing in 2026.
>>733627680that's why this whole thing is prefaced with a "if true" so calm down lil bro
>>733616053>now that we have hundreds of copy cats aping this styleNo, we have hundreds of copy cats aping Aliens and Blade Runner. Original Marathon doesn’t get extra brownie points for being among the first ripoffs.
All that pic makes me want to do is go back, download the originals from somewhere online, and play those. Why would I choose the liberal art show on the right when that manly, badass image on the left already exists? Are the shills getting worse with their tactics?
>>733627714Idk sure seems like I found the exact post you described. Meds now, doctors orders.
>>733627765That's because it's just Destiny2 with a reskin and new sound engine.
>>733618751He’s not the one bitching and moaning about new thing
>>733627854Probably the only based thing about Marathon is that W10 is the recommended OS instead of W11.
>>733627837They're freeware on steam
>>733627837> go back, download the originals from somewhere onlineThey’re free on Steam. You’re a fucking tourist, you don’t know anything, you’re not going to play it and if you did I’d be amazed if you made it through the first level.
>>733627837The shills seem to be concerned only with 'engagement' instead of sentiment. It was really bad on Friday where they kept making threads just so there would also be a few in the catalog. When jannies start banning your shill threads, you've fucked up tremendously.
>>733602463>yet another extraction shooter>after Arc Raiders existsWrong insertion point in the timeline bucko
>>733627902........ I literally have no reason to interact with this thread now outside of just saying to the op "thanks for getting me interested in the originals" I guess. I've got zero interest in the weird looking new games that probably have 0 of the original staff even involved, but seeing the comparison made me realize yet again how cool things were and how good we were eating. Off to download them now and give them a go
>>733627813Doesn't say if true anywhere retard stfu then kys
>>733627943I just wish that if the game failed as hard as we all think it's going to, the shills were forced to take responsibility for this miserable marketing stunt. It has been blatantly obvious for days and I hate how they can get away with it. If they are devs of the game at least I can take solace in them updating their blusky's with "I lost my dream job :(((" soon.
>>733628095holy fuck you need to remove yourself from the gene pool >>733627269 right now you fucking retard
>>733628141Well it's not true so who the fuck cares about your retard headcannon
>>733628127This game is never, ever going to bomb like concord or highguard and this entire board is suffering mass delusion to entertain the thought.
>>733628220Bungie isn't sending their best I see.
>>733628025I hope this game is cool, but this genre was struggling with some crippling issues for a while and AR really broke through in a league of its own. Refining a formula that's been recently BTFO is a tall ask. Fuck Bungie but I can't see how they're not walking off the plank with this one, and for once its not entirely their fault. It literally has to be more than groundbreaking to be worth buying.
>>733602463i don't even know who is jewing who anymorewho is mad at who for what and what even is the problem anymorewho is the chud and who is the wokie it's all a big jokie dude nothing but twitter dramawhat's the big fucking problem just play some fuckin video gameswah wah wah i dont like this game this twitteranny whined about this heckin shit god damn nigga i can't pay attention to all this gay ass shit lmao
>>733628127There's no way the shills are actual Bungie or Sony employees because it'd be too expensive. It's probably a bunch of third world contractors who work for a marketing firm that got contracted. And since they're whores either way, they don't actually care about the game since they're getting paid either way. I could see an actual Bungie 'community manager' having a social media melty if the game does bad, though>>733628226>it won't bomb like concord or highguardConcord, definitely not. Highguard, maybe, but over a slightly longer timeframe.
>>733628226Concord probably not. But Highguard? There's a good chance just over a longer period.
>>733628240Maybe there's an NDA...
>>733628243It doesn’t have to be groundbreaking, it just has to cater to PvP players as opposed to the crybaby carebear hugbox grocery shopping simulator PvE game that Arc Raiders has become. And it is.
>>733628316Highguard divebombed once everyone found out it was 3v3. There’s no similar abortive design surprise waiting in Marathon.
>>733628408Okay but that doesnt lead to the hit Sony wants
>>733602463The new Marathon game's art style looks someone vomited up eaten lego pieces.
>>733628485>Highguard divebombed once everyone found out it was 3v3.I want to kill every single person that tries repeating this misdirection. It died because it was a mediocre game in a genre pitted against better competition and added nothing to it except the skeleton of a looting aspect.
>>733628286>we are the victims of a targeted hate campaign>gamers never gave us a chance>we had so many good ideas>we just wanted to make cool games>etc>etcThe funny thing is they almost all melt down the same in the exact same way too
>>733628408>It doesn't have to be successfulftfy
>>733626959Console chads got this in the bag.>CoD fatigue has set>BF6 is dead>Arc Raiders is pissing off the PvP players>All E-celebs are obligated to play it for 3 days straight.>Sentiment is overwhelmingly positive with those who have actually played itIm guessing Steam will hit 200K easy, seeing as how dogshit Highguard was able to hit 100K.
>>733602463what series? most people didn't even know about marathon until recently
>>733628840High Guard hit 100k because it was free. If it had a $40 entry fee it wouldn't have broken 5k.
>>733628881Im talking server slam 400K on launch day for steam, when people realized the culture war niggers have led them astray
>>733628831It's because they can never, ever admit fault. It's the literal 'no, the children are wrong' meme. I hope they call me an economic chud terrorist again when I continue doing nothing>>733628485>Highguard flopped because it was surprise 3v3What is this insane lie? Everyone took one look at the trailer, before anyone even know it was 3v3, and said 'I'm out.' If it was like you said, the game would've had a lot more players day 1 and the graph would've looked worse.
>>733628840>>733628958I know you're shitposting, but put a little more effort into it next time to make it look less obvious.
>>733628958You had me until the comical spoiler number and you turned this into a political war. End your life.
>>733628960>It's because they can never, ever admit faultIzzat
>>733606301I don't even really mind the aesthetic that much, but why some Extraction bullshit and not a Nu-DOOM style game and also just a good old arena shooter mode?
>>733629024Does Bungie have a lot of saars working there? Izzat seems more like an Xbox thing, especially now.
>>733628725You don’t really know what Sony wants or what Sony’s timeframe is. The game will sustain itself and, with that, it would be more expensive and damaging for them to kill the studio than let the game live.Sony killing a live service game that’s a modest success would be tantamount to shuttering their live service plans for good. They’re not about to do that. It’s a retarded fantasy. It’s not Concord. At this point, Sony needs any kind of win they can get, and more importantly to *not* admit it’s *not* a win unless direly necessary (Concord).
>>733629117Surprisingly no.
>>733629121According to stuff last year "success" means they lure like 15 million people into buying the game this year. Sustaining is a secondary clause that ideally comes with reaching that number over the course of the year.
>>733628960I feel like that sort of thing is the only satisfaction we get from the western AAA gaming scene at this point. Just the smug people that hate us throwing tantrums and refusing to come to terms with why we won't buy their products and the fact we don't owe them money just because they made a thing.
>>733629121I'm not saying Sony will shut down the game though.I'm saying Marathon being a modest success is ample reason for execs to completely subsume Bungie and no longer give them the time of day.
>>733629121M8, Sony has publicly said they're not happy with Bungie. Destiny 2 is also dead and Marathon is all they've got.>the game will sustain itselfit was real in my dreams>it would be more expensive to kill the studioThat $3.6 billion is gone and never coming back. It would actually be cheaper for them to kill the studio once they know the game is a flop because there are a thousand employees and they're all expensive west coasters.
>>733629219Watching a formerly smug urbanite get reduced to shitting and farting on social media because their out of touch company made an unsuccessful game feels like cosmic justice, because almost any anon here could have looked at the same ahead of time and said 'this is going to flop', and we're all a bunch of asocial spergs and jobless neets.
have they paid for the stolen art yet
>>733605112>>chuds larping as woke tards nowIt's actually the opposite and you know it you disingenuous NPC cockroach!!!FACT!!!
>>733629403they paid the artist (tranny artist, thus tranny art style) and then removed it from the game
>>733629121THREE BILLIONSIX HUNDRED MILLIONDOLLARYDOOS
>>733605112Are you retarded? Chuds have been doing woke larps for years, though recently they started to do it a lot more frequently I think because they want to mind fuck normalfags even harder with idpol. Though I do enjoy seeing the woke caricatures.
>>733602463Highlighterchads our time is now
>>733625115>Nah they just need to have like 500k and ideally sustain 250k+. But there's nothing going on in the game and the community already building up around the game to make sure it's as hostile as possible is antithetical to player retention.No they really need bigger numbers than that. Remember the studio acquisition was 3.6 billion PLUS Concord. Youre looking at 5 billion in the red.
>>733629265They're gonna squeeze Marathon for all it's worth and then dissolve bungie. Their board of directors scammed sony really hard and pete parson's got to add like 5 cars to his garage
>>733629629500k is a rough estimate just to recoup just development costs. 250k is an idealistically high amount of players to get maybe 5% of them to spend money on the inevitable microtransaction hell.
>>733629629Bungie didn't have anything to do with Concord, but it's actually worse than that when you remember $3.6 was just the price to buy Bungie. They've probably spent another $500m just keeping it running for the last five years.>>733629663>squeeze Marathon for all it's worthMaybe a few million from initial sales, but probably little more than that.
>>733629845Bungue was also involved in a ton of the evaluations and decisions regarding Sony's live service push. And almost all of those plans failed.
>>733628408Like Rust, or Tarkov, or The Cycle, or DaD? And how exactly does Arc "cater" to the PvE crowd when they refuse them the PvE mode they're crying for? And have offered next to nothing to protect them from gankers?90% of the Arc discussion is just crying about those in lesser numbers than them, who want these things like you are now. It's the gayest fucking "I want PvP" community I've ever witnessed. You're literally mad because sometimes people talk.
Speaking as a boomer that’s run out of multiplayer games, Marathon is it. Halo is gone, Infinite is solid but player sentiment is tattered. Hero Shooters are too slow. Fortnite is solid, but plagued with EOMM. Call of Duty has become too fast. Siege is fine but no real story. Apex’s visual design is horrendous. Tarkov is too autistic. Delta Force plays like a mobile game. Arc Raiders is too clunky. All the GAYMERZ who stuck more into single player FPS like Doom and Prime will probably jump into Marathon. It won’t be hardcore players or casual, it’ll be those in inbeetweeners who want more story and older fps mechanics.
>>733630056After hearing about forcing Bluepoint to work on a God of War live service game, I'm convinced that the people in charge have no fucking idea what they're doing with these studios.>>733630065NTA, but isn't Arc's ABMM thing supposed to separate PVPers from PVErs?
>>733629845Remember that Destiny2 has had it's highest concurrent player counts from $40 dlc launches while under Sony and having diehard fans shilling it to everyone they know. Yet Sony still considered all of them disappointing launches. I can't even imagine what Sony expects from a standalone game that spent 5 years in development hell.
>>733630201Bluepoint were actually the ones that pitched the GoW game, Sony just let them do whatever, then they cancelled it, sat around for a year figuring out what to do next, then got shuttered.
>>733630202Was that the Destiny 2 DLC that was the end of the story? People coming back for that makes sense, at least.>I can't even imagine what Sony expectsI'm starting to suspect those rumors about 'Bungie has to release Marathon to fulfill their contract with Sony' rumors are true, because they have to know the game is never going to make back its development costs.
>>733630065>And have offered next to nothing to protect them from gankers?Holy FUCKING shit stop talking about what you don’t know shit about.The game has aggression-based matchmaking. It literally separates passive players from gankers. This is not new information. This is all anyone has fucking been talking about in regard to the game for months. If you don’t shoot anyone, it’s much rarer that you’ll ever get shot.Please just don’t post again. I can’t believe how misinformed you people are. You’re staring at a source of infinite information and none of it gets to you, but you hit the keyboard anyway.
>>733630357that doesn't count
I kind of like the over the top cyberpunk gear aesthetic with huge visors and attachments, everyone bristling with gadgets and electronics, but I can't stomach the ridiculous color palette. It feels like someone made an in-game tron-style cyberspace with colorful lowpoly models and some manager saw those concepts and said "That's our new style for the whole game"
>>733630201>second (You)The last I was closely following the game this was something that the community was going schizo about based losely on something one of the devs said. And even if were true, I can't imagine having a problem with it unless you explicitly wanted to gank people who didn't want to be ganked. This fact is exacerbated by how "PvP makes the game FUN!!!" the game's community obnoxiously is. If you're somehow being filtered out from people who don't want pvp at all, you're not missing anything but fighting against the minority of the playerbase who literally will not fight back at all. Vulching niggers are in far greater supply.
>>733630357"Holy FUCKING" go fuck your sister whiny discord nigger.
>>733630304It was actually 3 yearly dlc's in a row.>Witchqueen 290k>everyone gave it praise>disappointing>Lightfall 316k>generally negative>disappointing>The Final Shape 313k>glowing reviews and praise>disappointingAnd guess what? Marathon launches at about the same time as a Destiny2 dlc would right as Destiny is on it's deathbed. As I put my tinfoil hat on, this is no coincidence. They wanted the guide people towards marathon but fucked up so bad there is nobody left to guide.
>>733607695>implying bionicle is gayisnt it a school night
I pre-ordered 10 copies which I intend to cancel 2 days before release. I really want this to hurt.
>>733630665>they wanted people to migrate from DestinyMaybe. I think there was also some big Destiny 2 patch that got delayed for Marathon, too.
>>733630665Thats because Bungie overextended during covidThey had utterly absurd upkeep and employee counts that Destiny 2 review could not sustainAnd Marathon jsnt gonna be as big as Destiny 2 so expect even harsher contractions
>extraction shooter (just a pvp fps with maximized added tedium)>ugly characters>nauseating art style>bungieI sleep
>>733630469>that the community was going schizo about based losely on something one of the devs said. And even if were trueTHE FUCKING CEO OF THE COMPANY EXPLICITLY CONFIRMED IThttps://www.pcgamesn.com/arc-raiders/aggression-based-matchmakingSTOP POSTINGKILL YOURSELFSTOP POSTINGKILL YOURSELFSTOP POSTINGKILL YOURSELF
>>733606301You have taste disability
>>733630907>>extraction shooter (just a pvp fps with maximized added tedium)this i don't understand why anyone likes this gay ass pubg shityou spend most of the game staring at a fucking menu and waitingwho asked for this?
>>733606301I like the style but they fucking ruin it by giving them faces, everyone should be wearing full helms and increasingly weird and fucked up VR headsets, I don't want to be shown any humanity on these retards faces
>>733630665Even if D2 was doing good it wouldn't matter for the health of Marathon because D2's pvp sucked and was regarded as a minigame people had to occasionally begrudgingly accept.
>>733631129>D2's pvp sucked and was regarded as a minigame people had to occasionally begrudgingly acceptAnon, Marathon is just D2 PVP with an extraction mechanic tacked on.
>>733631186thats what i was implying. They are barking up the wrong tree trying to court D2 players because they all hate bungie for abandoning Destiny, for making D2 crucible extraction mode a 40 dollar game, a mode the community dislikes and was never balanced even once in it's history.
>>733629121I know what investors expect from 5 years and a 3.6 billion dollar fucking spend to buy the studio, not even counting development costs. At a 5 percent return like bonds, you expect about 1.6 billion dollars. Stretch that over a longer time and compound interest isn't in your favor. Keep that in mind when you define "modest success".
>>733629845>Bungie didn't have anything to do with Concord,No. Firewalk was made of ex bungie, and bungie suggested that sony buy the studio.
>>733631476>>733629121not to mention bungie, despite being supposed GAAS advisors, did fucking nothing to stop concord from happening lmaoas well as every other live service flop happening in sony right now
>>733631523Bungie probably gave them the green light despite the warning signs because they live in a bubble of yes-men and the only time they listen to feedback is after something has blown up in their face.
>>733629845>>733631514bungie did an entire audit of Sony and approved a bunch of stillborn trash like Concord and Fairgames and the live service GOW titled that killed Bluepoint, while axeing Last of us MP. All the Live Service blood is squarely on their greasy shoulders.
>>733631561>>733631523Sony not only bought Concord, they spent extra money to accelerate it and polish it to anchor their PS5 pro launch.
>>733631598>>733631523Sony execs must be salivating at Marathon coming out. Because regardless of how it does it will never match the absurd expectations they bave for it.And next quarterly financial report is the perfect time to completely eviscerate Bungie.
>>733631476I think it's safe to assume that Bungie isn't even making enough money to cover its own operating costs, so Sony is probably around $4b in the red still.>>733631514>Firewalk was ex BungieA few of the staff were, but it wasn't the entire studio.>Bungie suggested Sony buy FirewalkI know that's a popular rumor, like Bungie saying to kill the LoU2 multiplayer, but I've never seen a source for it.>>733631598I think the blame for all of this is probably on Herman Hulst and nobody telling him 'No, that's a bad idea.'
>>733631186What concerns me the most about this is that you can very obviously tell too and just see how much reskinning and recycling happened.
>>733631748Reusing assets and systems is common in game dev, and I don't think there was ever a time when Marathon was in a different engine, so part of the 'why should we make this game?' pitch probably included 'because we can save so much money by reusing stuff we have already.'Sad thing is, I doubt even 5% of people who try the game would recognize the reuse.
>>733631129Destiny 2 has comprised of three minigames. Blue minigame, red minigame, and green minigame. People mained red minigame
>>733630953Try seeing a doctor, man.
>>733631714>but I've never seen a source for it.https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2023/05/27/bungie-reportedly-reviewed-the-last-of-us-factions-and-found-it-lacking/
>>733631868I was talking more about the 'Bungie told Sony to buy Firewalk' thing. But thanks for the link for the other thing.
>>733631748Yeah all the mobs i've see so far are literally just the cabal animation skeleton but slightly faster.I know Fromsoft moved the overton window and people love asset copy paste now but this is just lazy.
>>733631848Blue minigame was stillborn after D1 because they purposely decided not to do anything they learned worked and even killed it at one point.Green minigame died an infant.Red minigame was all that was left and people suffered through it because their choices were either speedrunning blue minigame, suicide, or trying to pass the time in red minigame.
>>733631897The Concord stuff was all Hulst/Jim Ryan.Though it is still true that Bungie likely saw the develooment if the game happening and did nothing to course correct.
>>733632063>it was all Hulst and RyanPREPARE FOR TROUBLEAND MAKE IT DOUBLE
>>733632063Bungie should have had the wherewithall to do what Sega did to Hyenas and pull the plug early instead of unleashing the biggest flop in the history of not just videogames but entertainment in general.
>>733606301>okay>okay, would be cool if face were covered>shit>coolSeems all together just average.
>>733610127>PvPvE game>Looks inside>PvP deathmatch except with even sweatier tactics allowed and actual stakesNah, pass.
>>733632254the last one is only cool until you see their face is completely uncovered and it's metrosexual chad squidward
Tortantic fags are delusional. Keep in mind they also thought Arc Raiders was going to flop.
>>733632372nobody even cared to call that a flop it was a surprise success
>Console/PC crossplay: On/OffFlicking that shit off the second this hits. Fuck you PC faggots.
most obvious engagement bait award goes to...!
>>733606301>>733602463It'll be cooler if it looked exactly like the reveal trailer
>>733632372Some holdouts for the PvE only version of the game wanted it to flop but, generally speaking literally nobody even knew what Arc Raiders was. And in the end the PvE fags won and got their robot shooting monster hunter game.
>>733623219>Being against Marathon is being against anything new or challenging in gaming>Literally multiplayerslop that will be unplayable in 5 yearsHow the fuck can anything be considered good if it's taken out back and shot in the back of the head?
>>733632580>>733632372Noone fucking thought Arc would flopIt was LITERALLY like the 3rd or 4th most wishlisted game on SteamEvery new playtest it had did fucking numbers
>>733626658>Yes, that’s the point. They are literally called “Shells” >THE GAME IS SHIT ON PURPOSE, GOSH! FUCKING CHUDS!My sides, the shills are literally admitting the game is bad.
>>733632654The torfag will argue what 1+1 equals. There were absolutely threads about the flop that was Arc Raiders.
>>733602463all four of you can have it
>>733632654Like how Marathon was 5 on preorders when they went live?DONT EVER PLAY WITH ME
>>733632654Steam Wishlist doesn't have the greatest track record with gauging hits, it only gauges interest, thats it. The Day Before was so popular it usurped Silksong which Arc Raiders was never able to achieve.
>>733632972Marathon being number5 for like a day notes a sharp spike in interest that absolutely cratered and implies everyone who was going to already preordered. And it still couldn't do better than what exactly?
>>733632972>>733633002https://steamdb.info/app/2427520/charts/The game hit 190k ccu for its playtest
Yall want marathon to fail so badBut you have to learn your placeYou’re gonna see the Bungie formThe loreThe guns BAP BAPFUCK these haters
>>733633342i dont want it, its just what will happen.
Do people here even read online sentiment outside of /v/? Go on a recent marathon video right now and read the comments.
>>733630175I'm an ow vet and preordered for the first time since 2016
>>733633521>he doesnt know about eglin airforce basenew guy huh
>>733611749You keep posting the same single "le grimdark" concept art, while the actual games were always full of toxic unnatural colors.
>>733633521Still the same old shit
>>733633580I mean it's a fucking ayylmao location, it can have any color it wants I suppose.The new game takes place exclusively in human areas, why would state of the art combat droids look like clown vomit?
>>733614272https://youtu.be/PHFWpx1Y-_k
>>733633580nice cherrypicked pfhor ship screenshotmost of the game has earthy tones and infinity is pretty brutalist
>>733633521i do not care for the opinions of blast-havers
>>733633521Why would I go to a video where the only people who care to watch it are going to be lost causes? The numbers are pretty bad too.
>>733633843You care about the opinions of Malaysians posting here 17 hours a day
>>733633871no i dont im just talking shit, it wouldnt bother me if this game sold a billion copies or none, obviously one is funnier though.
I would have played this game if the characters weren't so dumb looking. It's as shrimple as that.>but temu titan!I'd rather not have a titan halloween costume.
>>733633580This looks exactly the same as the reboot
https://x.com/notAykerThis is who shills in these threads
>733634003b8
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>>733633521This is such a weird comment to read.>Don't you people know what they're saying on youtube!!!You're on 4chan, you kike, nigger, cracker, wetback, spic, faggot, retard,. Who gives a fuck what the AstroTurf poops on Youtube are saying
>>733631748even the grapple is just the strand grapple but unbound from it's limitations like everyone complained about and they never fixed it's just insulting at this point
>>733634034I meant the phor sorry. Sorry guys
>>733634063YouTube is funny You ain’t funnyI’m an OG on 4chan nigga watch outManning Destroyer day 1
this attempted zoomer nigga rap ain't funny or cuttin it G
>>733634135more like getting destroyed by a man
>>733634135Prove it then cunt
>>733633521toxic positivity on xitter, youtube, reddit, are precise why im here and not on some kiked faggot social media algorithm.
>>733634251Shut up Aussie trash you’ll do nothing Dave-oBack to arc raiders marathon stay winning
>>733634375Yeah bro those places are so toxic not like hereHere the TRUTH comes out Not from jaded faggots who don’t even play gamesYour sentiment to match the herd here is no different that a twitch chatter. But I escaped. And so did my marathon brothersGet that apology ready
>>733634447please stop your sad display
All it takes is one strong soul to come forth and proclaim truth and /v/ crumbles. The truth that Bungie will deliver and that Marathon will save this ass genre and ass multiplayers games.
>>733634525The genre doesn't need saving and there are much better multiplayer games already available.
>>733606301Look less obvious moron.
>>733634590>All clownvomit fembotsIt's a fucking ROBOT, why the fuck does it even need to look human at all?Are normalfags seriously so fucking insufferable with their lack of empathy that they must give motherfucking automatons human appearance or they'll have some sort of freakout?Why would a combat android need lips? It has a fucking speaker. We need lips because our speech is due to complicated airflow bullshit. A robot would not need them.
>>733634541*looks around and sees none*They’re all tainted by SBMM, even if they play better
>>733634658The answer is that for some reason they created a bunch of synthetic bodies for people to remotely control and they just so happen to be silly looking. And the last one is just a good robot which is the most realistic answer to the problem.
>>733634658>doesn’t even know what GitS isAnime website little bro lurk moreReply back and I’ll end you
>>733634590You showed no one up putting mug shots next to cinematic stillsBarely clever enough to fill the captcha I saw you fail 4 times trying to post that
>>733634764>For some reasonWell that's shitty fucking writing, I don't play games with writing that shitty lmao.>>733634774Hey retard, The Major and the like still need to actually blend in with other people so they can't look like fucking T-800's. Also they still contain a human brain so there has to be some level of comfort for the actual person controlling the bodies.These fucking things are remote controlled temporarily, there'd be no need to have such comforts or blend in, as they're already clownvomit colored.They don't put human faces with lips on fucking Predator drones.
engagement bait ahh post
>>733634815That's my first post in this thread. Be less retarded.
>>733610813>what the fuck is wrong with extraction shooters?It's the same regurgitated pvpve format that we've had for the last 5+ years; it's overdone.
>>733634827Wrong they’re billion dollar suits with multiple mass produced purposes hence the deviation in formOr were they never alive to begin with
>>733634907They have brains in them in GITS
>>733602463I almost fully expect players to be taken to more dire areas and get access to the MilSpec stuff of the setting over time, especially that one class that already looks like Security Officer. We'll see.
>>733634850This looks awful and I’m pretty sure it’s some statue of livery illuminati nonsenseI saw that 66.6 in the trailer on the snipers ammo count Bungie I ain’t stupid
>>733634980Didn’t Vader kill children
>>733632419Bungie games are the one time you absolutely should not turn off crossplay if you are on console and absolutely turn off crossplay if you are on PC. They always give crazy aim assist to console players to the point it's unfair, I think only rivaled by Apex Legends
>>733634827I meant for some reason as in they inexplicably took these people and made disposable synthetic bodies for them to remotely control through uploading their conciousness. But the mere existence of the robot undermines the whole idea of doing that as a complete waste of time and money. I fully expect a twist where this is all a dumb experiment on the people themselves.
>>733634994Shh you’ll spoil the twist
>>733634850>RunnerWhat is with nu-scifi giving stupid fucking names to things that don't make any sense?>No no no, not ZOMBIES, they're chompers!>They're not GUNS, they're slugtossers!>Bodyarmor? Come on, that's Bulletstoppers!>Androids? Robots? You're ridiculous, those are obvious Stompers!At least when Lucas wrote Light-Sabers it's just a description of the weapon, a sword that is made out of light. He didn't call them 'armcutters' or some shit.
>>733634658social commentary about corporations bad for making meat suits to pilot.
>>733634850>>733634590Who makes those swanky animation trailersIs it bu gue inhouse
>>733635101They aren't meatsuits though, they're technosuits. There's nothing immoral about making brainless drones to VRchat control around.
>>733635107It’s the Bionicle guys
>>733635130they are drones based on real people and the trailers suggests their memories are intrusive.
>>733635087Projectile weapons are called slug throwers are in Star Wars.The robots are called droids in Star Wars.Also, it's just lightsaber, not "light-saber" you dirty secondary. And they aren't a proper noun, bitch.
>>733635130It’s an affront to God. It’s in the tagline for the game.
>>733635107the abstract trailers? i heard someone say it was someone from love death and robots
>>733635179>Projectile weapons are called slug throwers are in Star Wars.In retarded EU books yeah, there isn't a single gun in the whole original trilogy.>The robots are called droids in Star Wars.Yeah, like androids, robots, you retard. It's no different to when you call black people niggers because it's shorter than 'african americans'.
>>733635107the cinematic trailer was from the director of Jibari from love death and robots. I assume the b-roll stuff is probably some no name production company.
>>733635271>I assume the b-roll stuff is probably some no name production company.Crazy because the cinematics are the best part of the game.The actual models and environments and UI look so fucking bland compared to them.
>>733635313Fact of the day:>they got so much shit for this that after having to delay the game for the ploagueirsm scandal they also revamped the models to be more like the animations and tried to revamp the environments!>what you're seeing now is the end resultIf that upsets you, ask for someone to post the before and after of that one environment image. I'm sure shillbro has it saved.
I just don’t get anything storywise from a current multiplayer game than what Maraton is pushing out currently. Sure, maybe it’ll just be audio logs and photos but at least the tone and intrigue is there. If I go back to the other games, there’s no emotional investment.
>>733635246Actually, called black people niggers would fall into your complains. Because it would make more sense to just say Africans or blacks, but niggers is the zesty one.
>>733606301This unironically looks like shit. Why is over designed asian slop the new style?
>>733634850hot
>>733635681He has to be having panic attacks and sleepless nights right about now in the time leading up to the beta.Might need to be put on suicide watch if the beta goes badly.
>>733635438>>733635505>>733635681How many rupees do you get paid per post saaarrrr
I guarantee you that this game will have its own dedicated /v/ fan base on release. Why? Because the world exploration and design lends right into the same Dark Souls/Bloodborne tropes. /v/ works off of mystery and intrigue, and every locked door and lore nonsense will be another hook into the player. You watch. I know exactly how these kind of games pan out.
>>733635246> there isn't a single gun in the whole original trilogy.the sand people literally have bolt action rifles you dumb fucking nigger
checkmate marathoners!
>>733635751Retard
>>733635902I've literally seen you spam these same images every fucking Marathon thread
still 10 days for this slop-a-thon to flop-a-thon.
>>733635994nta but I'm going to take up posting them too just because it makes you made and I know you're apparently going to sit in every marathon thread like an autistic spec defending slop producthope you get paid at least
>>733635789/v/ loved hopping onto to the D2 puzzles whenever they were a thing. Even Black Spindle back in D1 had people on here say Destiny 1 was getting fixed while Luke Smith was doing his spiel about players wanting to pay premium for emotes.
>>733635681this is by far the biggest career humiliation ive ever seen in my life and i watched it happen live.
>>733635994You are "literally" retarded. Learn to hash images work and do some actual Detective work to find out that it's more than one person from /dg/ and /hg/ spmming. Of course, you are too fucking braindead to do so, as your overuse of the word "literally" mark you as a retarded SEAnigger. Kill yourself.
>>733634590>ugly and bulky>decent>basically number 1 but slightly different>literally a sissy black man>ugly >boring
>>733634590>handsome squidward atrocious
>>733636032>>733636207I don't give a damn, it's just crazy how both of you will incessantly post about this when the tranny's art (that got compensated btw) over some nonsense small decals.The real problem is in-game the outdoor areas still look like shit but you wouldn't know that, because all information you get is from outrage farmers on twitter/youtube>SEAniggerNice projection kek
>>733610127i have nothing against extraction shooters.ive just never played one i liked.from day z, to the division, to tarkov, i've never enjoyed the time i spent playing them, only the time i spent with my mates in them.but marathon i enjoyed as a kid, because it was just me, 100 aliens and a bunch of cool friends on the screen.it was like doom, BUT IT HAD A STORY!halo was cool, and it was a different game, destiny was cool, and was a different game, neo marathon could be cool, but by cashing in on my nostalgia i'm immediately on guard, because they're admitting it wont stand on its own like all those previous games.add onto that a "hot new genre" and "totally new visuals" just flies too many red flags.if it was called relay, and was the exact same game, i wouldn't care, but i still wouldn't buy it.
>>733636319>retard thinks I no-life twitter like him or seek out content about this game on YoutubeWhat # bulletin point was that an the list of talking points?
>>733633580>THIS LITERAL ALIEN SHIP LOOKS WEIRDKill shillsNot in minecraft or robloxYou're a disingenuous, vacuous fucking retard
>>733606301Cyberpunk 2077 was also "cool as fuck" before release
>>733637113stop reminding mearen't they making a sequel?
>>733636072I’m telling you, Marathon will start to turn around about 6 days after release here. >I was wrong bros, I’m starting to like itWatch. If I’m wrong I’ll buy 4 people the game here.
>>733637916>play for 6 days>get stockholme and start to "like" gamewhat even are you saying
>>733602463uhh OP?I dont think the shill campaign is working
>MIDA has really interesting lore and big potential for story>Misriah Three, Bernard Strauss, Signs of MIDA activity on the colony itself>Could be a potential that even the 10% mars population cull could just be UESC propoganda>See what MIDA fan accounts/discord users are saying>"xdddd can't wait to blow things up">"I want to bomb (insert irl random corporation here)">"can't wait to kill people for gantry hehe">most don't even know the lore from the first game and just think MIDA are le whacky terrorists for shits and gigglesIt's all so tiring man. I thought Arachne would be the faction filter for catching these retards
>>733637916You're mostly gonna see blast posters and ITS GONNA FALL TOMORROW LOOKS ITS TRENDING before it stabilizes at something realistic like 200k. That said, having anything less than 500k players on steam alone would be considered a failure.
>>733638403You signed up for this fate by caring about lore tacked onto an extraction shooter that just used an old IPs name haphazardly.
What’s the Pfhor reveal going to be
>>733638403Is the new Marathon even a continuation of the old games, or did they just use the name to bait old fansDoes anyone at Bungie even know the old Marathon games?
>>733638481Would be extremely lucky if it had a stable 200k players.>>733638536It's basically bait but they added stuff to it to try and link it. One of the maps is very blatantly, you know, making it really obvious.
>>733638536The new Marathon is a continuation of the games, most directly the first one>In the first game, the protag and Leela (an AI on the marathon ship) send out a distress signal back to our solar system, but it was gonna take almost 100 years for us to recieve the signal>This game picks up after either we've recieved the signal or after they recieved nothing but radio silence and the corps + UESC decided they needed to check out wtf happenedThere's some suggestions of it being an alt timeline, kinda like the second and third game are
>>733638485They're being pretty serious about the story for an extraction shooter
>>733638536they had to ask a youtuber about the lore of the old games if that gives you any hint
>>733638563>One of the maps is very blatantly, you know, making it really obvious.Which map are you talking about?I must admit, I never played the originals, but I watched the videos from Mandaloregaming>>733638623Ok>>733638641Really?Which one, Mandaloregaming?
>>733638635Just like how Dark Souls was serious about it's lore. It's a purely tertiary or even quaternary concern to keep people like you chomped on the fish hook.
>>733606301If I see that stupid bitch with the glowing eyes and retarded fischer price spikes stuck to her head called "cool" again I"m gonna snap.
>>733607695>Looking like random bionicle figurinesThey don't anything like bionicle.
>>733638695>Which map are you talking about?NTA but the map is Cryo Archive. From what they've said it's actually a part of the Marathon ship itself that the Runners board as opposed to the rest of the game that takes place entirely on the planet. It's gonna be the "end game" map with some soft raid mechanics.
>>733638695yes mandalore and it was some months after he made the big marathon video and probably before the game even had a name since it started development just a year before
>>733638403Who’s MIDA in the first game
>>733607695DudeBionicle was cooler than this shit
>>733638798DamnThe old games are literally free...>>733638826Iirc, some terrorist/rebel group, or suchThe thing is, the story of the old Marathon games is an ice-berg of its own
What do you get out of life coming on to /v/ and PRETENDING to be a Marathon shillHoly shit get a fucking grip on you sad fucking life
>>733638536How do we know it ms not happening in the mind of all me of the AIs DURING the original games?
>>733638915Are you asking game developers to actually play games? That goes against the golden rule.
>>733638798Source?
>>733638641This game has contact with all the old team and some of the writers. The Anomaly shit is proof of that.
>>733619324>it already has fanart before release
>>733638841Bionicle extraction looter shooter battle Royale…
>>733624534Its lightning in a bottle. This has mainstream written all over it.
Can someone make gachimuchi of the Destroyer shell dancing oiled up in a speedo to Infinity’s themehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn_Nt5isRTY
>>733638826MIDA were a political group based on Mars that eventually did turn into terrorists. Basically, living on Mars sucked ass cause there wasn't enough resources and they had a massive overpopulation issue. They tried solving this by developing ships that would carry resources to and from Earth and Mars (CRYST ships), but the UESC didn't really like this because it took a lot of investment and work to make it happen. They decided they'd make one more ship; The Marathon, and that would be it, and they de-comissioned all the other CRYST ships. The catch is that not only would they re-purpose the Marathon to colonise a different solar system, but they made the Marathon using Mars' moon, Deimos. Mars citizens were basically treated as second class on their own planet. Mass famine led to riots which led to one incident of UESC gunning down an entire crowd of a hundred people, which was the spark to ignite a civil war. Martians were obviously pissed with being starved and disrespected, but having their own moon stolen from them and then having it so it's not even used to help them? That crosses the line.MIDA won and took control of Mars for...3 months? They did a shit job leading the planet in the time they had control and mostly just killed UESC remnants on the planet (10% of the population supposedly), then they were all ousted by UESC reinforcements. Now anyone associated with MIDA are labelled extremists and terrorists. Some of them snuck aboard the Marathon and were gonna stage a coup, but then all the shit with the Pfhor happened. Whether some stuff broke out in the colony I guess we'll find out in this game>tl;dr; political dissidents that formed for actual legit reasons that did a shit job helping their own people when they rose to power, now they're basically just a terrorist cell that goes after the UESC and is trying to dismantle them
>>733639326Oh that’s right it’s in the terminals for a bit. They were the Mars dudes. Didn’t the logs say they were still on Mars?
>>733639237This. And his pecs are dancing and when it says “Infinity” it zooms in on his lips haha then he starts twerking ha ha
>>733639234>pay 40$ to run around as shopping mall manequins dressed in clown clothing and maps that look like assets didnt load properly (huge grey blocks with numbers on them).if Marathon was for free, it would still be too expensive.
>>733638721Marathon was in the genre famous for being associated with the quote about story in the medium being like story in pornIt's also a primary concern in the trailers and other marketing material so far, which did not actually need to have set dressing that thought outIf nothing else, I promise you that nobody was getting on board with an extraction shooter based on catching deep cut references to esoteric mind/body dualism iconography>Just like how Dark Souls was serious about it's lore.Is this bait?
>marathondo i have to run Destiny 2 first and then fly to Marathon from the Director?
>>733627820>No, we have hundreds of copy cats aping Aliens and Blade Runner. Original Marathon doesn’t get extra brownie points for being among the first ripoffs.Don't put words in my mouth, I never said Marathon did it first or owned the style. At the time Marathon wasn't jumping on some stale bandwagon though and dragging the game for the style being bedrock today just comes off as oblivious.
>>733639465The fact that all the lore was addressed as well as it was in the new game makes me unsettled, that’s how coherent it is.It’s like, reading actual happenings and planetary fallouts that really happened. That’s how much they covered with the story. Any other studio would have just half assed it and made the Phor show up right away. Of course there’s all the timeline nonsense, but that’s another story.
>>733639404They're likely everywhere; MIDA seem pretty serious about the whole affair, so it makes sense there'd be some still on Mars. There's likely some on Earth, there definitely is (or was now I guess) some on the Marathon, and that by extension means there'd be some on Tau Ceti IV.>>733639465Anon I can respect you trying to inform him, but you gotta realise 80% of the people that come to these threads are just here to seethe cause they have a hate boner for the game just for existing
>>733631105yeah, the punk girl specifically kills the edge, makes it look like cosplay rather than pragmatic design picrel looks so much better to me
what the hell is wrong with you people?they would have to PAY ME to play this visual diarrhea.
>>733639624>SUPER BRIGHT PASTEL COLOURS ON MY UNIFORManon this looks faggy as fuck.
>>733633580>You keep posting the same single "le grimdark" concept artfucking schizo, I simply pointed out the OP image being dogwash
A lot of the Chinese players mentioned Pathways into Darkness vibes. Im surprised the Chinese know about that game that intimately to be able to discern its design and tone in the new game.
>>733639669on the one hand, camo doesn't really matter when everyone have a myriad of sensors to aid their vision and enemy detectionon the other hand, those also make the ubiquitous bright paint and labels redundant
>>733639753how the FUCK would you get PiD vibes from this? that smells like pure shill "member old IP? " bs
>>733639590>Of course there’s all the timeline nonsense, but that’s another story.Marathon was doing that before it was cool, it's unfortunately grandfathered inThat's also somehow another thing they avoided putting into Halo, there was pretty explicit time travel in Ilovebees but they shelved that shit quick
>>733639669>>733639767it looks like a colouring book you gave to a 4 year old kid and he smeared random bright colours all over everything. looking at this game for longer than 60 seconds is actually making my head hurt. im actually getting a fucking headache from looking at Marathon.
>>733639821I'm guessing there's a lot more horror stuff than what Bungo is letting on. For me though, Marathon is already a horror game, while Pathways is like a Daggerfall x Wolfenstein cloneor is means pyramid level.
THEY CANCELLIN ME I'M JUST TRYING LEARN THE LORE
>>733639906semi dormant alien ruins are a must but that would just make it more like OG Marathon
>>733639821Pretty sure in the Destroyer cinematic they actually show something like an artefact from PiD. Whether it's actually supposed to be one or it's just inspired is up for debate, but technically PiD is in the same universe as Marathon so it isn't too out of the questionhttps://youtu.be/1_tFPT5X2hs?si=OxDQ9Rpqb5f4wcpp
>>733639992In my mind, they would be tying it all together in some weird loop where it's a god's dream in an AI's dream and the shells aren't real but they are but they aren't and maybe this happened on Tau Ceti but this also happened in another world and so on.It's basically endless fuel for a live service game story, like Fortnite funny enough. Endless loops of an island (Planet).>here's a timeline where MIDA did this>Here's season 6 where the shells are real human marines like Aliensetc.
>>733640023>in the Destroyer cinematic they actually show something like an artefact from PiDDoesn't that basically confirm the Anomaly stuff?
>>733639632You are Indian.
>>733640452And? We decide whether your game succeeds or not. And your game looks like roblox minecraft bionicle had a baby.
>>733639237Holy kino
>>733640449I want to say yes, but fuck knows with how the timelines and shit work>>733640553I wonder if that + the vandal skin where she's got the shirt on are gonna be battlepass cosmetics
>>733640553huh? was just reading this terminal
>>733640602I'm like 90% certain they're MIDA unlocks. You get cosmetic and gameplay unlocks for getting in good with different factions. The gameplay buffs are reset after each season, but the cosmetic stuff is permanent.
