This image makes Toby Fox shit and piss himself from rage. Why does he hates them together so much if he based them off his own parents? They are separated in Undertale and divorced in Deltarune.
>>733637343He based them on his parents?
>>733637343Because she was specifically designed for me.
>>733637343I kinda understand them not being a couple anymore, but shouldn’t they be in good terms by now?Like two old friends that knew each others from long.My parents are divorced too but they are still in good terms
>>733637592All characters are based of people he knew
>>733637343>divorced in Deltarune.is deltarune a sequel?
>>733638042alter universe, it's just undertale had a twist where asgore was a mystery until the reveal he was Toriel's husband. In Deltarune they are just divorced due to some drama over Asgore case as a chief of police
>>733637343Toby likes drama and they being separated is drama. Although they aren't based on his parents? Toriel is based on general video game moms while Asgore is based on one of the Fangamer dads.
>>733639783Toby based Toriel on his mother
>>733640328Source on this? All I remember is him basing her on pokemon mothers but making her "realistic" by not wanting her child to go to an adventure.
>>733637343Leftoids just DETEST concepts of core family like marriage, sons loving their parents and vice versa. Don't get surprised on how he hates a marriage heterosexual couple living a healthy life for decades. Leftists are agents of satan.Pic unrelated. He's just my FUARKING hero
>>733640581Isn't Goku an illegal alien who breed with native woman of Earth? How is he different from typical Muhammad coming to Europe illegally?
>>733640667None which is why browns love him.
>NoneBrown fecaloid retard.
Undertale and Deltarune discussion reminds me of Bluey's reception, the way people talked about it I thought it was some revolutionary masterpiece that happened to be suitable for kids, but no it's a literal kids show about talking dogs, like toddler age kids and adults are obsessed with it for some inexplicable reason
Thankfully Asgore redeemed himself and became BASED for canonically riding over a teenage deer girl who was secretly evil
>>733641004It concerns me slightly that there are adult "fandoms" for shows made for literal pre-school/elementary school kids. Yeah, Bluey is cute and harmless but it's legitimately just a show for little kids meanwhile some people are OBSESSED with it. I had the same reaction when I found out Max & Ruby still has a "fandom" that doesn't consist only of little children
>>733641021Asgore's reputation will depend on his depiction in chapter 5. I fear the worse and that he will be portrayed as a retard and Soriel as the wholesome NTR couple that make him do a meltdown fit
>>733641004you should check the /mlp/ board on this site
>>733640834Someone got his nerve struck.
>>733637692They only are in bad terms in Undertale where Toriel dislikes him for being a child murderer. In Deltarune she doesn't hate him and even prays for him, she doesn’t like his constant advances.
>>733641021Asgore was always a meme icon back in the Undertale days, too.
>>733641116Asgore is divorced, it isn’t NTR bro. They haven't been together for a decade now.
>>733638042Deltarune is an official Undertale AU. A parallel story with some connections between each other but largely unrelated.
>>733637343Furniggers like him cannot comprehend the concept of traditional relationship
>>733644501Dogamy and Dogaressa and the cat family? They are all straight and happy.
>>733638003Not all of them, just some like Susie being on his high-school bully.
Toby wants to fuck his own mom?
>>733648513No, Toriel isn't based on his actual mom.
>>733637343>if he based them off his own parentsDo you believe everything you read on 4chan?
>>733648573All I see in that picture is Toby and his mom
>>733648883Toby isn't a little girl like Frisk is though.
>>733648768During the sixth anniversary stream Toby explicitly said Asgore is based on one of the fangamer's dads so I don't get where he is coming from.
>>733637692>shouldn’t they be in good terms by now?In Undertale Toriel hasn't spoken to him in decades because he responded to the death of their children by swearing to become Monster Hitler and killed other kids.In Deltarune she doesn't hate his fucking guts and can tolerate him for their kids, but he makes it difficult by constantly humiliating her with public gestures trying to win her back because he can't accept that she doesn't love him anymore. She and the rest of town also think that he's kind of crazy and pity him because he can't hold down a job, she can't trust him to be a responsible adult and father to their kids.
>>733649970>by swearing to become Monster Hitler and killed other kids.I don't think I have ever seen Asgore called that before but it isn't wrong, I guess. In terms of what he promised, not what he is, at least.
>>733637343Because she divorced him and is married to me??
>>733649970Toriel is a fucking retard in UT because what was her plan? She's also a boss monster and the fucking QUEEN of the monters, and we know a human died on the ruins. She could've grabbed that soul and go through with her plan, but instead she put all the blame on her hubby while she sat on her ass and did nothing.In DT at least I can pity Asgore because he did everything to try and solve a missing person case, one related to a close family friend. Meanwhile Toriel distanced herself form him which is understandable for the kids, his obsession wasn't healthy, but holy fuck, she's not a much better person either. Toriel is a fucking WHORE and Asgore deserved better. I hope Ch.5 is him getting redeemed and some hag doe pussy.
>>733650367>She could've grabbed that soul and go through with her plan,God, this scene constantly filters /v/tards. Toriel isn't saying that's her plan, she is saying if Asgore was serious on his war declaration he should've done that instead of stalling, but instead he picked the middle road and didn't cancel his war declaration nor did he try to follow through with it. When Toriel becomes queen in neutral endings she just cancels the killing humans plan in general.I wish Toriel hate was based on her actual flaws and not this constant misinterpretation as if people can't understand the plot of a decade old game.
>>733650148In Genocide, Gerson even talks about how when the monsters were first sealed Underground he and Asgore agreed that trying to escape was pointless and they ought to just make the best of itSo we can understand how Asgore going from "King Fluffybuns" to swearing that he'll wipe out humanity and that even their children must die was not only personally reprehensible but betraying his own principles and the trust of the people close to him>>733650367Toriel abandoned her responsibility to her people and every one of the kids who she let go to their deaths. She's as guilty as Asgore of "waiting and meekly hoping another human never comes."But she's not the one killing the kids. There's no moral equivalence there.
Toriel gave me bad vibes from the instant I saw her in UT.I fucking hate her in DR.
>>733650367UT Toriel was a retard and a shit partner yes.>Just lost both their kids, seemingly because of those fuckwads who trapped them underground in the first place>The people of the kingdom feel screwed and the king is understandably in a grieving volatile state.>Gives people hope and a mission to finally bust out of their prison even if they need to fuck up some humans. Obviously said while at his lowest point and regrets it>Instead of being there for her husband, change his mind, or even attempt to find another way, she flat out ditches him and by extension all of her people.>Lets all the kids get passed her so even on her own view she was fucking useless>Still heaps blame onto Asgore who was the only one at least trying to do anything, and again she could have likely stopped him at ANY time but was too busy throwing a pity party for herselfDT Toriel we don't know what exactly the whole situation with that is yet. Though I think things weren't great for awhile based on Tenna's comments.
>>733651065>But she's not the one killing the kids.Her plan was for Asgore to get one soul and then jump the first 6 niggas he crossed. "Oh peacefully collect the souls-" Yeah, that's bullshit and we all know it. She knew the process.
>>733651065>and the trust of the people close to himI never really saw it that way before. I guess because Gerson doesn't seem to hate Asgore at all. But I guess that shows how out of character he was when Asriel died by humans. I wonder if we will ever see this pissed off Asgore again.
>>733651667Please read this post.>>733650710Toriel is extremely cunty but this isn't a flaw, this is just you being dumb. When Toriel becomes queen in neutral routes she abolished all human killing policies.
>>733651667>Her planThat was not "her plan" retard that was her criticizing Asgore for being a gutless bitch who made things worse for everyone >>733650710>>733651335>Gives people hope and a mission to finally bust out of their prison even if they need to fuck up some humansAsgore was not being noble trying to cheer everyone up, he was motivated by hatred and vengeance. Killing the humans was not "le necessary evil," it was the goal. >>733650710>Instead of being there for her husband, change his mind, or even attempt to find another way, she flat out ditches himAsgore says "My wife became disgusted with my actions," which implies that it took some time. It's absurd to suggest that Toriel, of all people, wouldn't have voiced her criticism and argued with him before throwing up her hands and leaving. He was too stubborn to change his mind, even in the game when he's a broken man who can hardly live with himself he still refuses to be talked down from what he's doing.>Still heaps blame onto Asgore who was the only one at least trying to do anythingAsgore deserves all of the blame for the situation that he was solely responsible for creating. He is the one who declared war on humanity, he ordered that all humans must die. He and Toriel and everyone else were living peacefully in the Underground making the best of their circumstances until he did that.
>>733653286It was a byproduct but again he said it right after his kids died at their hands from his perspective and immediately regretted it. Toriel was a useless cunt for abandoning him and the whole situation likely could have been avoided if she did literally anything.
>>733637343Toriel's kind of a bitch to be honest even outside the Asgore stuff.
>>733653286I can't blame Asgore getting mad and wanting revenge. Obviously he is at fault here and the one who started it all, but Toriel is also at fault. Toriel’s blame is that she was too cowardly to leave the ruins and decided to isolate herself from the world while drinking her problems away. Even her trying to save the humans was half-hearted because she never followed them outside the ruins. Really this situation is very nuanced and it ends up being missed by the average fan.
>>733653449>and immediately regretted it.We don't ACTUALLY now this. We don't know how long it took for Asgore’s rage to dissipate, only that it's gone when Undertale takes place.
>>733653449Asgore is the fucking King.You're making it sound like "he said something bad but he didn't mean it :(" when what actually happened was he set a policy and let it stand for god knows how many years.He had those kids killed, or at the very least had the decency to kill them with his own hands instead of making someone else do it. It doesn't matter how bad he feels about it, they're dead because of him, and nobody else.If Asgore actually regretted it, there was absolutely nothing stopping him from saying so and not having those kids killed. He could have stopped that from happening at any time. But he didn't, because he's a fucking coward.It is fucking ridiculous to act like Toriel is the one to blame for Asgore's bad decisions and actions because she couldn't change his mind.
>>733654369>Asgore is the fucking King.A king rules only by consent of his people.
>>733654450Nice platitude dipshit what does it have to do with your argument"Asgore HAD to declare unlimited genocide on humanity because the people were sad :(" that's not what he tells you to your fucking face asshole, he declared war because HE was angryThere are half a dozen endings in this game where the monsters accept making the best of life Underground like they were before Asgore fucked everything up, nevermind Pacifist where monsters and humans coexist peacefullyStop trying to justify this dumb asshole's mistakes, everybody including him knows that he fucked up except you
>>733655046The monsters were wronged by men and anything less than the total eradication of mankind would be a betrayal to his own people, towards whom his loyalty lies. Doing that does not make him evil, you antisemite.
>see your son slowly get corrupted by a predator >protect him by dealing with the predator>everyone now hates yousad
>>733654450This is true and the monsters do overthrow Toriel when they aren't content with Frisk's actions in some neutral endings. I don't think the people would've accepted him doing nothing after their prince died, but Asgore could have ended his policy ages later when all those monsters had already died off.
>>733640581>man who's never home to raise his kids is my FUARKING heroI know you speak Spanish.
>>733654450>A king rules only by consent of his people.The king is the people. Divine right means divine right.
>>733656130>divine r-ACK!
>>733655385Kris still loves her to sacrifice even Susie and that's what matters
>>733656130Asgore doesn’t think of himself as a good king
>>733653286>he was motivated by hatred and vengeance. Killing the humans was not "le necessary evil," it was the goal.I have seen vengeful, hateful people.Asgore aint it, if he was supposed to be then Toby failed as a writer.A "motivation" doesn't define a person/characters entire being.
>>733657212Asgore was when he declared war in his own words. It's just that we see Asgore as a broken man nowadays, not the vengeful king that saw his son die.
