What do you expect from this?
I don't really care anymore
China won
Expect? It to sell millions but some random morons are going to pretend it isn't good because they want to feel contrarian. When they stop selling millions of units with ease they MIGHT have made a bad game.Reminder Expedition burn victim made news for their sales. That were not even remotely close in totals to FFXV lmfao. The apparently "bad" FF game.
poop
to have an improved version of the combat system of the ffxvi and to add some stuff like tales of arise
>>733644974A return to Turn based combat or a return to the grave for the studio.>>733645212Square has been open about FFXV and XVI being failures...
>>733644974How about they make an actual fucking RPG and not an action game pretending its one
>>733644974A proper return to form
>>733645584XV and XVI sold well. Rebirth flopped.
>>733644974Nothing
>>733645664You keep telling yourself that.
>>733645584XV was a success, you must mean XVI and Rebirth
>>733644974I expect it to be an action RPG again, maybe they use FFVII Remake's combat system as a base. Even with E33's success by copying FFX, I doubt they'll go back to turn based.
>>733644974I expect it to be better than XVIAfter XV I expected XVI to be trashIt is mid in reality, but the good kind of mid that leaves me hoping that XVII will be really good.
>>733644974This won't happen until at least 4 or 5 years in the future, if it happens at all
>>733646147I had the same reaction to XVI which is why I have no hope. The fact that there is obviously a good FF game there, but it's obscured by another round of increasingly stupid decisions is proof to me that SE just won't ever get it right. There's an incongruity between the suits and the few guys who have some idea what they're doing that is irreconcilable, it will always turn out like this even when the stars allign.
>>733644974is this the highest numbered game, outside of sportsball stuff?
>>733646528There's that one japanese anime whores franchise with good music that released, like, number XXVIII
>>733644974I expect it to drop the number.
>>733644974the only certainty is that ishikawa has been promoted to the same position maehiro was when he started work on 16
>>733646528Touhou 20 was released last year
Current sqenix teams make games with so fucking retarded designs that its hard to even imagine a new final fantasy. Remake 7 is almost good but why does the first part take like 16h to start and why do you get locked into retarded movement animations for the first 16 hours of the game every 5 minutes or so. Or why is rebirths "open world" just checklist of same copy paste objectives like what the fuck were they thinking? (nevermind the fucking godawful story changes). Why did they remove all rpg mechanics from 16 like fuck off. I hope they make new tactics with the ivalice chronicle as a base next
>>733644974I expect the worst: more shitty character action games. What I WANT is to return to multiple playable characters with good customization and some party building. I'm deathly tired of playing as a singular superhero in FF games. Party-focused combat is the only thing Remakebirth gets right.
>>733645212Harry Potter has made tons of money. It's rightfully criticized for failing at basic things. No one is so stupid they directly correlate sales with quality.
A flopNothing that the suoer anime crowd will like and nothing the super normie crowd will like
>>733644974It won't be out until the mid 2030s, who cares.
Turn based, Ivalice, static 3 character party + 1 rotating NPC party member, adventurous tone.
>>733647114sonic is so fucking good bros i could eat like 4k calories of slop from there rn
>>733647114I like Krispy Kreme
>>733644974he sales and relevancy recline will continue until the FFX turnbased returns.
Considering the numeration, another MMO.
>>73364762033 showed turn based is still and thing so they should just copy that
>>733644974Another forgettable action game and another forgettable guest character in Tekken.
>>733644974>What do you expect from this?To be a part of the VII compilation
It's going to be temu Expedition 33 with moogles
>>733645042This. I still haven't finished 15. I don't even own 16 OR Rebirth. Why the fuck would I care about 17?
>>733646024I wouldn't mind seeing the next MMO offering using VIIR's combat system, honestly.
Something at least half as good as ff12
>>733644974Square Enix hasn't made anything good in 20 years so who cares. Stranger of Paradise wasn't even them.
>>733647114>Wendy's Top 5My GOAT. I still can't forgive those faggots for taking that burger with the onion rings off the menu. I forgot the name but that shit was like literal crack cocaine. That, with 4 spicy nuggets, fries, and a pink lemonade had me in the fucking Walls of Jericho. So much money wasted on UberEats ordering that shit. I think I've ordered Wendy's once since they took it off the menu. The Baconator is great but it just isn't as good as that other burger.
>>733649004Triangle Strategy
i think ishikawa is writing so atleast thats a massive improvementi hope they take way more from rebirths combat system than from ff16, return of jobs would be ideal.
>>733648947I'd personally rather they do something like SoP with the Remake combat system. Feels like it could work really well for a co-op dungeon crawler. Maybe have multiplayer DLC like Comrades for R3?
>>733644974Nothing, but I expect to be disappointed
>>733649141Discount Tactics Ogre
>>733644974Absolute dog shit just like the 5 previous mainline titles
>>733649203Jack's Game was great, but it was way too close to Nioh 1. You can't jump. You're supposed to spend hours making equipment that will quickly get obsoleted. Party members are worthless and can be ignored. Rebirth combat, even if it wasn't exactly DMC, is a better blend of action and RPG, so I'd like to see that iterated upon.
I expect them to do a Resident Evil 7 type shake-up for the franchise.
A bad game
>>733649714I really liked Remake's combat, have not tried Rebirth yet.Being able to issue commands, AND switch characters is great. If I were to improve it, I would make switching mandatory like turns by giving each character an ATB time limit to act before it switches to the next turn. Like you've got 5 seconds counting down, more depending on character speed, to do what you want to do with the current character.I think if they used Remake's combat in a new game that wasn't VII, it would be a lot more praised. I think it's much less that anyone thinks it's a bad combat system itself, and more that OG fans are just mad it's action at all and nothing but the vanilla turn based system would have pleased them (but probably not)
>>733644974nothing
>>733644974I have a tiniest bit of hope. No more than a sliver.Maybe they will notice E33 success and realize that their 20 year long battle against classic turn based combat is lost and go back the formula that got them the fame of the biggest JRPG developer back in PS1 era.
>>73364497416 was such a massive soulless disappointment, on par with 10, that I just don't think it's possible for Square to fix series
>>733649538Over-rated grind fest.
>>733650702From a combat perspective XIII's ATB system was mechanically better than any of the games before it, but these games never sold on mechanics or combat, they sold on story, world and characters, which nobody cared for in XIII.Likewise E33 sold on the novelty of being a "Western JRPG" and its own production values and massive marketing campaign in contrast to its claim as an "Indie" title. Nobody cared about the combat, as evidenced by the fact that literally ZERO discussion of the game has ever had anything to do with its mechanics of combat, just about who was "right" in the story and which waifu was the best. Just like FF.
>actionslop combat>unlikeable characters>barely a FF game besides having a guy named Cid and a few classic FF enemies>tons of generic sidequests that are follow the quest marker on the mini map>80 hour """story""" where nothing interesting happens besides in the first and last hours
>>733644974Are they just calling VIIr 16? Or why skip to 17?
>>733644974a multiplat release. aesthetic will be closer to older games. possibly turn based
>>733644974somehow even worse than 16
>>733644974>Press X to win
>>73365117813 had a good foundation but it was shallow as shit.7's ATB may be worse but Materia is 10x more interesting to play around with than anything in 13.10 still mogs the rest of the series though, so many fun options.
If Turn Niggers actually wanted "strategic combat" they would play literally any other JRPG series aside from FF, which has never had good combat or mechanics and has always been a piss easy bore. Not even as mechanically deep as Dragon Quest.Just admit that your brain moves too slow for a real video game and you just want a story game where you press X to continue. Just admit you got filtered, and there will be an end to the horror.
>>73365169713 is severely underrated... the combat system is pretty fun once you unlock it, The problem is it takes way too fucking long to get to that point. I would rather replay 13 than any of the main line games after it. I wish it had a NG+ mode where you just start with everything unlocked and the game is harder.
>>733651697Unfortunately like all FF games, the actual interesting options for 7 and 10 aren't even available until the game is almost over and the only things to use them on are a couple of gimmick super bosses. They are way too linear in progression
>>733651829>>733651969This. I wish the games opened up all the options early (or at least allowed the Player to do so), and leave the progression to power scaling instead of locking all the fun stuff until "postgame" when everything dies in one hit anyway and most bosses require some specific cheese strat or OP ability
>>733651178E33's combat was a huge point of discussion, not sure what circles you frequent. A lot of folks were super pumped to finally have a classic FFX-style turn based RPG with Legend of Dragoon QTE mechanics and a decent budget. Then the story ended up being super engaging so it had literally everything anyone askes for in a JRPG.
>>733651969i'd say it's the opposite for 10the superbosses are the least interesting because you just spam quick attack and overdrive (besides Dark Bahamut who is cool)meanwhile throughout the playthrough you blind enemies, armor break, slow them, extract spheres, mix whatever the fucc you feel like once you get rikku, bounce magic off reflects, pass around overdrives between party members, spam high MP stuff with MP1, etc.
>>733644974Square doubles down on the action game elements in a continued bid to attract an imaginary wider audience. Also, the game goes through several revisions and suffers in dev hell before getting shat out as a noticeably incomplete feeling game.
>>733644974I want a turn based game again. 15 and 16 are too underbaked as action games.
>>733651742I play FF and other stuff. I just want FF to be relatively good again.
>>733651178Yeah, I really enjoyed XIII's combat, even more than what I've played of X-2, which I'd heard some people say is peak atb. I do wish the stagger system stayed exclusive to the XIII games though, not that it's bad.
16 was pretty kino. needed to lean into the action more though.The rpg side was so half assed, it bogged the game down. Doing side quests, and a lot of main quests felt like you were playing a single player mmo. They really need to do something with that engine so you can actually move fast at least. Idk why they bothered to give you a chocobo. It's so slow that its running animation looks wrong. Like they accidentally assigned the sprint animation to the jog instead of the sprint.They also need to step up the difficulty. Even if you don't minmax your moveset and use all the strongest possible eikon abilities all the time, you're still sleeping through the game between bosses.Final fantasy games should be turn based, but the world does need jaction games like devil may cry far more than turn based games right now.Team Ninja's like the only real jaction game dev right now.Capcom is back to being a monhun and RE factory.Platinum is a shadow of their former selves, barely able to do commission work anymore it seems.Kamiya's stuck making Okami, and is at crapcom.Mikami's MIA.Tango games is alive again supposedly, but who knows if they'll make more games like hi fi rush, or even can anymore.Itsuno's making...something, hopefully. Hopefully the bad sides of dmc5 and dd2 were from capcom meddling.China/korea's still in their sekiro phase
>>733644974HIGH fantasy world with crystal castles, magitek, spiky hair, and big tits
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>>733644974Waiting for Final Fantasy XXX in 100 years
