All the hate comes from Emulatorfags doesn't it?
No, it's ugly and lazy and gets mogged by Gale Of Darkness, Stadium or even Let's Go!.t. 1999
>>733656397it looks great compared to the originals
I played the real version. It's just really annoying in a lot of ways. I hate the chibi overworld sprites, I hate the shit where pokemon randomly survive hits and recover from statuses, I hate the way free movement works when the game is still tile based, the underground is stupid, I hate that they didn't add the cross gen evos to the standard sinnoh dex, and I hate the way they handled following pokemon. They scale them down. So even large pokemon like Dialga look stupid when they're the same size as your chibi character. Never did anything with contests and I'm not even sure if they were fully in this game.The actual battles looked really nice though, and the E4 was actually hard as fuck. They all had fully competitive teams.
>>733656425It looks worse than ORAS and those games looked like shit.
How do you manage to make the graphics worse than a GBA game?
>>733656824because they tried to make it TOO similar. "faithful remake" as they claimed, but they didn't even bother basing them off platinum.
>>733656742why are you comparing gen 4 remakes with gen 3 remakes when you should be comparing them to the games they are remaking?
>>733656929>why are you comparing remakes to remakesI fucking wonderAnd no, BDSP doesn't even look better than DP themselves.
>>733656824>>733656903It looks great... in the battles. They also fixed the slowness; gen 4 was fucking slow. That is all I give a fuck about.
>>733656058Nope>development done by a third party indie company with no past experience, coupled pressure from the deadlines given by Gamefreak, resulting in an unfinished game that even had the music in midi at worst quality than even the originals weeks before release (datamined) aswell as having some facilities "under construction" even on release, such as the Wonder Trading Station. needs a Day 1 patch just to access the postgame and proper OST https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-XL8rjobbM>awful graphics inferior to a Wii game>used the original game's source code, including the core overworld gameplay and its bugs/glitches>new UI glitches led to cloning pokémon aswell as in some cases softlocking the game>Affection mechanic (pic related), made the game easier than even Let's Go! versions by merging it with the happiness mechanic, even with the rematch levels up to lvl88 the Affection stomps the difficulty down to trivial>despite the Affection being implemented in the remake, you can't get Sylveon with it as it isn't in the BDSP national dex (which was its original purpose when it got firstly implemented on XY)>no Battle Frontier, plus the Battler Tower's Multi Battle option has been removed>Stark Mountain doesn't have the lava aesthetic from Platinum>Underground got expanded with Underground wild areas but secret bases got reduced into placing statues just to increase spawn rates of certain types>the level scaling in the Underground wild areas is so atrocious that you could either powerlevel in the underground until your next gym leader aswell as catch fully evolved pokémon (i.e.: Gastrodon) before beating Gardenia>Pokémon Contests got reduced to just doing the 2nd phase of the original (known as just the dancing contest from Gen5)>GTS got replaced by a Wonder Trading Station (WTS), forcing you to use HOME instead>full priced game with no "benefits" the previous remakes had (no new character designs, dex past gen4, no new story, no new map, etc)
>>733656058Emulatorfags saved the game by adding all the features people wanted, more pokemon, accurute sizes, less grindy mini games.
>>733657008This garbage was a $60 qol patch with cut content, ugly graphics, broken overworld movement, junky following Pokemon, forced affection, etc.. It takes 10 seconds to make the HP bars instant in Platinum and remove HMs, BDSP is just abominable dogshit in every way
>>733656058>we are now at a point where people are defending thisThere is no playerbase more cucked and retarded than pokefags
Everyone is shitting on the chibis, WHO GIVES A FUCKHow do the Pokemon look? They look great? Then it is good.
>>733657805The overworld Pokemon also look fucking retarded dude
>>733657706Everyone who shits on these remakes just uses the art style as an argument, when underneath it is literally Gen 4 unchanged. So you fags just hate Gen 4.
I own it and have played it through twice and done most content. I enjoy it, but everything I enjoy about it is purely because of the original games.It's both disappointing compared to the previous remakes in the series, and bad in its own right. With FRLG, HGSS and ORAS, it really felt like they were attempting to make the ultimate versions of those games. With the exception of the Battle Frontier missing in ORAS, the prior remakes were full modernizations with most major content included + new story and features, using the modern mechanics.BDSP conversely is an extremely faithful remake, and thus offers little of any value over the original game besides being available on newer platforms. The few things it does change actively work against it - modernizations like the Exp-share being forced on aren't considered for, making it literally impossible to avoid overleveling. Puzzles can be broken because you can move diagonally when you couldn't originally etc.On top of all that, it is remaking specifically Diamond/Pearl and NOT Platinum, which might have actually been more compelling because Platinum has significant more content and a strong post-game with the Frontier. And then finally it just looks... cheap. ILCA doesn't have the artistic vision. It's not the chibiness that's the issue either, it's that everything looks... plastic. The visuals are just overly clean and flat and not in a way that does service to the original assets. "Sauceless" might be a good way to put it.There's no reason to play this over the original unless you absolutely want a classic Pokemon gameplay experience on Switch (but FRLG will offer that after the end of this week).
>>733656058The hate comes from not being platinum unironically. It's fine.
>>733656058Looks like shit and remakes diamond/pearl instead of platinum so they can sell two versions of itDoesn't even really improve on anythingWhat's the point>>733657805They look about the same as they have every game since 2013The battles still look bad as well. I don't know why they still haven't made them less static. Even just moving the camera around would do a lot.
I want Pokémon to take a crack at HD-2D
>>733658024>Looks like shit and remakes diamond/pearl ithey have literally always done this for every generation
>>733657908I love gen 4, but why would I like some ugly ass, soulless, overpriced, and lazy ports of Diamond and Pearl when I can play Renegade Platinum with proper following Pokemon on my PC?
>>733658061HD2D is cancer, fuck off.
>>733656058I'm just a salty Sinnoh fan. I wanted a remake of Sinnoh in the way they used to do them. I thought we would get them in gen 8 style... instead we get outsourced 1 to 1 remakes of the worst versions of Sinnoh. Its insulting.
>>733658128because it literally plays the same as the originalsand visuals were never the strength in Pokemon
>>733656058Considering the fact that emulatorfags are the only ones that will be able to experience the only non shit version of that game, I'd say that you are really fucking wrongOnly mentally ill cultists defend BDSP, everyone else is shitting on it. Even poketubers have moved on from defending that game because there's new product shillAnyway, national dex + battle frontier soon fellow piratefags
>>733658156you got legend Arceus
>>733658097Yellow and Crystal aren't directly upgrades generallyORAS doing that is also stupid however
>>733658243That game was pretty fun, but it wasn't a proper Sinnoh remake.
>>733658180wheres the battle frontier wheres the gamecorner wheres the underground minigames why cant i teach toxic to my entire team why is there a new gay type why do i have to pay to use gts now why doesnt expshare work the way it did in dpp why am i forced to play with this new cheat tier expshare mechanic why cant i turn off the new affection mechanic WHY CANT I MAKE CHATOT YELL NIGGER NIGGER NIGGERkys you absolute fucking faggot
>>733658243that was a shitty tech demo at best
>>733657908Gen 4 sucks, yeah
>>733657908>when underneath it is literally Gen 4 unchanged.This is a nonsense statement. You can't remake a game in an entirely different visual style and say "it's unchanged". DP are mixed sprite based and 3D, and the 3D is minimal complexity to match the sprites. BDSP only half replicates this, replicating the low complexity parts where necessary (map layouts and geometry) to retain 1:1 gameplay and world design, but then makes the Pokemon, characters etc. higher complexity models while still retaining the chibi style of the humans but NOT the Pokemon. Even before you get into the specifics of colour use and lighting, it's clear there is no cohesive vision with BDSP. It's a visually cheap attempt to replicate what DP looked like but with no actual considerations for what doing that looks like in HD.It's not Gen 4 "unchanged". It's Gen 4 remade in full 3D with assets that don't replicate the originals scaling or colour use consistently.
>>733658306>wheres the battle frontier wheres the gamecorner wheres the underground minigames why cant i teach toxic to my entire team why is there a new gay type why do i have to pay to use gts now why doesnt expshare work the way it did in dpp why am i forced to play with this new cheat tier expshare mechanic why cant i turn off the new affection mechanic WHY CANT I MAKE CHATOT YELL NIGGER NIGGER NIGGERKek this, they also removed letters from ball stickers
>>733658338Gen 4 is literally the peak of the series. Platinum and HGSS are objectively the best pokemon games. It was all slowly downhill from there
They are never doing remakes ever again.
HGSS > BDSP > LGPE > ORAS > FRLG
it could have been much worse, look at DQ7... people are overeating. And hold Gen 4 in general to absurdly high standards when these games were mid at best and the remake showcases that.
>>733656058Emulatorfags are the only ones left caring
>>733658463They will keep doing remakes since the absolute turd that was BDSP still somehow managed to become the best selling remake(You) are next unovatards
>>733658581>Let's go pee and poo not dead last
>>733658581based
BDSP are just ok like FRLG
>>733658783>Only game with rideable pokemonCan't be the worst by defaultThough I have skipped ORAS and BDSP so I would technically prefer HGSS and FRLG over it
>>733658453The Best Pokemon game is Black 2
you guys shit on BDSP but the difficulty is higher than most recent Pokemon games.
>>733656058It should have looked like LGPE at the very least.
>>733659876As someone who has played it twice, that's absolute dogshit.BDSP is actively easier than every other game in the franchise for 90% of its content because they took the original levels of the DP Pokemon but forced Exp-share on, meaning you factually are, at all times, over the games actual intended level curve.The only battles they changed to accomodate this were the Elite Four, who are tuned to be semi-difficult at that point after the game had previously gotten easier and easier as it went on.
>>733657881https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k85mRPqvMbE
Can't believe palworld died for this literal 40 year old sloppy shitfest.
>>733660417Legends killed it
>>733658453/thread
>>733657805The overworld pokemon look retarded because it's just the same models scaled down too small.
>>733660417What makes you think it's dead?
>>733656058I remember these. Nintendo released it broken on cart with missing ending and music.They later patched that in. So now its impossible for a person that buys it new to know if its a reprint full version or a broken version.
>>733656058I understand why people don't like it but it's definitely overhated when it's just a very by-the-numbers remake. It's strictly better than the original DP in a lot of ways, and being able to catch every single pre-Gen V Pokemon between the two games is a pretty strong selling point.
Of course Pokefaggots would love these dogshit remakes, buckbroken fanbase
>>733661803Don't get your panties in a twist Unovatard barely anything positive was said.
It didn't really add much in the way of content and the aesthetics are arguably worse
>>733657459>>733657881>>733661945Following Pokemon were a mistake
>>733657151>a turn with close to the maximum number of interactions takes less than a minute It takes longer for HP bars to drain in the OG lol
>>733656058This might be the only game in the series where even normalfag pokefags shit on it, literally no one likes BDSP.
>>733662240Following Pokemon is cool, the problem is it peaked in LGPE and every game after has added it in a half assed way.
>>733663702BDSP was better
Is there any Platinum content in it?DP are shit but Platinum was GOAT.I didn't get the remakes because they looked super lazy following Gen 3 remakes.
>>733664091>Is there any Platinum content in it?zero
>>733664091just the pokemon in the underground
>>733664091>doesn't use Platinum encounter tables (you can catch extra shit in the nu-underground, but some mons are still not available before the postgame like Eevee, Gliscor, Tangrowth)>NPC trainers use their wack ass DP treams (gyms and elite 4 use their Platinum teams in rematches)>No Battle Frontier and the battle tower lost multi battles>back button REMOVED from the poketch kek>Lucas / Dawn platinum outfits only available through pre ordering the game>no Looker or Charon postgame quest at Stark Mountain>areas use their DP design (Eterna Forest lost its smokey effect, Stark Mountain doesn't look like a volcano, etc.)>No wifi plaza
Let’s not do bdsp revisionism
>>733664348>(gyms and elite 4 use their Platinum teams in rematches)Why do people lie like this? They have new moves ex the steel gym uses trick room
BDSP is much more fun to play than SwSh and SV at least.
>>733665610BW2 is the peak of the franchise
>>733659805not even close
>>733656058Gen 4 in general is boring as shit, so making toyetic Unity remakes without even having all the content is extra fucking retarded.
>>733656058No. The game shat the bed for an easy job by no effort put on it. They got great points for fidelity from using the og game code.>>733656742Yeah, too plastic and no work to add more layers to visuals. Shit looks unfinished
>>733656058I played it days before its actual release on a weekend. It was a total fucking waste of 2 days by the way.>its just DP (already dogshit pokemon games) with ugly unity chibi models >all the new additions / remake content are shoved underground, literally and figuratively>devs made it to pokemon league and sudden realization that they just copy pasted every trainers team from DP (already saturated to hell with low level no evolved kantoooo mons) and decided to just crank the difficulty from shitty mainline pokemon game to radical red the moment you step foot in the league, last Barry battle has him with comp ivs, moves, and held items, not seen in vanilla DP>all the remake content is just half assedly slapped on; grindy boring digging minigame to get past legendaries, Platinum and other region mons just slapped in big square rooms with a cookie cutter theme to it, make rematches radical red slop, and thats it.I dont even know why they labelled these games as remakes with the adjective + games title. It shouldve just been Diamond and Pearl 'Switch Remaster'. Thankfully PLA came out pretty decent.
every pokemon game is the same for the most part, but I'm not sure why they made them more infantile and easier when they were already made for small children
>>733668349>every pokemon game is the same for the most partPeople really just say shit man, okay yeah, Legends Z-A is the same game as Red and Blue, sure. Fuck off retard. At least have a surface level understanding before commenting on a subject.
>>733668615obviously we aren't talking about fucking spinoffs you fucking retard. Go ahead and pull a mystery dungeon out of your ass. Eat a dick dumbass
>>733668749Legends games aren't spin-offs you cocksucker, they're officially considered mainline games. Fucking absolute double-down retard.
I don't pirate and don't play unc slop so BDSP were pretty cool overall.
>>733668349Haha you are retarded, go play a Pokemon game before pretending you know what you are talking about btw
>>733668227They are fine for people like me that don't know how to emulate 20+ old games. It is cool that they are closest to the original experience.
>>733656058ORAS was worse but get dickrode for some reason.
>>733669221It's underwhelming compared to that even.
>>733669301reason being that's not true in the slightest.
>>733658152Enjoy your ugly shitty 3D dumb fuckface
>>733656397>or even the best Pokemon game on Switch
>>733669301for all its faults ORAS had redeeming qualities and at least tried.
