>original game: all game systems all working together towards the same goal, unique experience furthered by intentional and unintentional limitations>remake: same characters and storyline but with the hot gameplay trends of the year the remake was made no matter if they make sense or not>gamers: woah this one is so much better because its not limited by technologyI can't even feel bad anymore, these people are cattles willingly lining up to be slaughtered
>>733664710I have no idea what you're referring too
FACT: Games are NOT art and remake / remaster culture proves it.A movie or painting being remade or reimagined is treated as an insult to the original; but you apply that to games and no one gives a shit
>>733664710True but I'm still not watching the video I don't need a youtuber to tell me a remake is bad
>>733664964what an original opinion! where do I subscribe?
>>733664710games arent art That doesnt mean they are bad or not important or anythign they just arent art They are designet to be experinced by a person in their own unique way unlike art like movies or painting wher the artist decied what the viewer will experince and seeArt isnt the same as quality and due to their interactive nature games cant be art
>>733665516>due to their interactive nature games cant be artwhy so
>>733665639Art isn't interactive.When a guy taped a banana to a wall that was art.When a guy ate the banana taped to a wall that wasn't art.Art is super duper serious and definitely not a concept that's been eroded for decades, if it ever meant anything at all.
Natsumes games are good remakes
>>733665758>Art isn't interactive.Why?You cannot provide a good reason why interactivity prevents something from being art.
>>733664710Kill yourself, tranny
>>733666013This. John Lennon and Yoko Ono fell in love at her interactive art show.
>>733665786Can't speak too much on the Wild Guns one but the Ninja Warriors one is easier than the original. Still a good game but a downgrade nonetheless. Shadow of the Ninja is extremely good though.More devs should take more middling/decent 8-bit games and turn them into incredible 16-bit games like Shadow of the Ninja and picrel.
>>733666128if yoko troono's monkey screeching counts as "art" I'm fucking glad games are not art
>>733666013>Why?Because the people who decide what is and isn't art say so.
>>733664964Movies get remade and remastered all the time though?
>>733664964majority of game remakes are down grades though and sidegrades at best
>>733666606and they are alwaays shit compared to the original. the only exception is REmake and you know why? because the creator and director of the original was also involved
>>733664964games ARE art, the people who misconstrue that as “games need to be movies” completely misunderstand the point, which is that games should embrace the aspects unique to the mediumand your comment about remakes being considered bad in film isn’t really true either, seeing as scarface is widely viewed as a good movie
>>733666716True grit remake was better then the og
If video games can't be art, then why do they have actual, literal art in them? Artists still make art and it's shown in many games. It's it insulting to those artists to say it isn't art? What makes Dragon Ball art and Chrono Trigger not art?
>>733666606>47 Ronin comes up in YT recommendations>Don't recognize the cover>Open it>It's a remake>The 47 ronin just hang around while Keanu Reeves does magic stuff in ancient Japan
>>733664710MY POTIONS ARE TOO STRONG FOR YOU TRAVELER
Games contain art but aren't art.
>>733664710>original game: all game systems all working together towards the same goal, unique experience furthered by intentional and unintentional limitationsThat's you romanticizing bad coding. Like no one is going to say the original broken-out-of-the-box version of Final Fantasy is better than any of the remakes
>>733667765>no one is going to say the original broken-out-of-the-box version of Final Fantasy is better than any of the remakesThis is /v/, you could find someone. A while ago I had someone tell me that Doom 3, with its reloading and flashlight and stamina bar and DLC gravity gun, wasn't following trends.
>>733666716REmake is awful though. It has none of the fun and soul of the original.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fKUcuapV7I
>>733667628Games are an expression of human creativity designed to evoke emotion in the audience. They're art.
>>733667765>Like no one is going to say the original broken-out-of-the-box version of Final Fantasy is better than any of the remakesI will, especially since many people are retards that misconstrue a lot of features as bugs.
>>733667765I prefer the NES original Final Fantasy to any of the remakes that replace the Vancian magic system with MP and nerf the hell out of the Black Mage to balance it
>>733664710>Hot gameplay trends of the yearNot necessarily. Remakes can include cut content that was removed simply because they didn't have enough time to implement it.
>>733664964Not at all. The romance made plenty of wonderful remakes of Greek artwork and in some cases they're seen as superior.
>>733667007Chrono doesn't run around in circles for ten hours.I, the player, do, because I, the player, could be retarded.Now we arrive at the disconnect of>um, the story and the gameplay are two different things, actuallyChrono's art isn't depicting him, it's depicting an idea that the player embodies when they input their name at the start.
>>733669673This argument is the equivalent of saying movies aren't art because you can choose to play it backwards without sound.You're a fucking idiot.
>>733669802Toriyama drawing Goku is different than Toriyama drawing any Dragon Quest heroes or Chrono.Toriyama can draw Goku with full intent and character knowledge and Toriyama draws those other people with the intent for other people to "be" or "play" as them, without character knowledge.They can't be the same because they're fundamentally two different things.
>>733664710I will always play a remake over the original. The only one I can even think of that I would play the original might be pokemon Silver.
>>733670298I don't understand people that prefer HGSS...
>>733664710>these people are cattlesgood morning saar you are having low media literacy saar
>>733670298>eats up zogchow demakeslop >eats up toddler shovelware like pokemon God really said "fuck this guy"
>>733672074can you try posting without a bunch of madlibs buzzword garbage for once
>>733670298>I will always play a remake over the original.Nah, it has to be on a case by case basis. A lot of remakes fail to capture the essence of the original.
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>>733667765The pixel remaster of FF1 allows you to see a map, and allows you to turn off encounters, both of these are viewed by the goyim as quality of life features when both of them were a large part of the gameplay experience, the bosses in FF1 werent hard or complicated, their power was budgeted into the enemies you fight on the way to them, the original creators created enemies that work together to make encounters interesting, giving the player a dungeon experience more about surviving and rationing your consumables rather than one where you run through the dungeon blindly, beat the easy boss, then complain the game sucks
>>733667007>if a mcdonalds commercial contains a jingle and video then its an artistic mix of music and film
/v/ used to call this guy an incel chud because he didn't like a zelda remake and now you're bitching because he said some remakes are good
>>733672978You know they have to film or animate mcdonald's commercials right? You know music included in mcdonald's commercials is still music right? Do you see how fucking stupid what you are saying it?
>>733667765You're right even though a bunch of contrarians refuse to admit it. FF1 has remakes done right and wrong because it's been done so many times.The Wonderswan/PS1 version is an objective upgrade over the original.The GBA and PSP versions less so because they fuck with the magic system.PR is also better than the original but it also has the (optional) cheats and map so elite gamers will tell you it ruins the whole game.
>>733664710The problem with this guy's arguments are that he thinks true limitation (not self imposed) are objectively bad, without any consideration for how it shapes the overall game.he's right that most developers probably loathe the limitations of whichever system they're working on , but how the limits are dealt with reflect and shape how the rest of the game in almost every aspect.most of RE1 in how it was both designed and played were direct consequences of the PS1's limitations. If RE1 was made today, with our advanced tech following shinji mikami's original intentions, I heavily doubt it'd be even a fraction as impactful and memorable as the version we got
>>733673068that was reddit honey, 4chan always hated the mm remake
>>733673518Pixel Remaster was the only one dumb enough to "fix" the critical hit """bug."""
>>733673536It was supposed to be an fps game originally. It would have pretty much been a lesser Gun Survivor.
Really just didn't matter how many times he said its his opinion and he doesn't think its necessarily the right narrative, huh
>>733664964>A movie or painting being remade or reimagined is treated as an insult to the originalYou know nothing about art. There are tons paintings that people make their own version of out of respect because it's understood that it doesn't replace the original. The problem with games is that the general audience treats them as products to be consumed as if they're simply interchangeable.
>>733674887The general audience for movies does the exact same thing.The trouble with games is more the hardware than the sentiment. A lot of old games aren't even playable without jumping through hoops.
>>733669673Running around in circles for ten hours is performative art
When do console limitations stop being charming?I would rather play most 360/PS3 era games on PC with stable frame rates and higher resolutions. It feels like that's how it was meant to be played, on consoles it feels like they're struggling to run the game.But people act like frame drops in a PS1 game is an essential part of the experience.
>>733676362>frame drops in a PS1 game is an essential part of the experienceYes.
>>733673207>oh you watched a performance of hamlet yesterday>well I listened to the radio>we are just a bunch of art appreciators you and me
>>733664710>these people are cattles willingly lining up to be slaughteredit's a video game, anon. it's not that serious.>BUH BUH BUH BUHno. it's not that serious. If you don't like it, don't play it. If you want to see other types of games, new ideas, learn to code and make your own. It's a fucking video game man. A game.
>>733665516Games aren't art in the modern sense, which is "throw splatters of paint on a canvas for 1 hour then get a fat rich slob to buy it for thousands of dollars".
>>733679778they also arent art in the traditional sense, they are closer to an afternoon at a theme park or a childrens toy than they are to anything resembling art
>>733679665Saying something is just itself will never not be retarded. It's a thought terminating cliche that doesn't further discussion and is inherently disingenuous because if you didn't care you wouldn't bother posting yet you belittle the medium to seem like you're somehow better than the people who care.
>>733680406it's completely optional and no one is forcing your to subject yourself to it. you do it willingly, and then cry about how much you don't like it, and ask why things won't change after you willingly engaged with it, which is what they were after to begin with. you are literally retarded. everything you do about it is retarded, and counter productive to the point you're trying to make. you are a contradiction. you are stupid. do you understand?>BUH BUH BUH BUHno. do you understand?
>>7336808121/10 followup bait still responded
>>733681118that's because you're fucking stupid and you do things that contradict your desired outcome. that or you secretly love being upset all the time because it gives you purpose. probably a mix of both.
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>>7336763625th gen was too ambitious for the time.6th gen was just higher-poly and finally smooth frame rates.7th gen was also too ambitious because everything had to push "HD" instead of frame rates
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