People are lamenting the costs of RAM, GPUs and disks, but it can only mean one thing: developers will have to relearn the lost art of optimization if they want to sell video games and other software. Can they? Will they?
The ones that don't will fade away and the ones that do will be hailed as the kings of the industry
dx9, shader model 3, and forward rendering ought to be enough for everyone
>>733665756Too many people use computers nowadays so quality control for the sake of having a useful product won't be a thing. It sells so much by default that there's no reason to make things snappy and responsive anymore. You don't have to worry about making a quality, optimized, incredibly concise program when the entire world is gonna buy it anyways.
>>733665756>Can they? Depends if they're using AI or not, I don't think AI is good at optimizing code.>Will they?No, at best they'll make a couple of tweaks months after release after public uproar, and then the complaints will settle down as the unoptimized shit becomes the new norm.
>>733665756jokes on them im gonna make all my pcs into offline media devices and if they break that ill keep going back cant stop me from doing that theyve already bricked 2 of my pcs and my ps4 and tried to brick my laptopi honestly cba lol
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>>733665756The ancient atlantean programmers have been replaced with rajeen from pradesh.
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Project Stargate isn't happening so i don't know if that massive deal Altman made for all of the RAM in the world will go throughHe can't pay anywayAI GPUs depreciate too fast anywayFabs will have to switch back to making things that sell
>>733665969>I don't think AI is good at optimizing code.Neither are pajeets.
>>733665756>developers will have to relearn the lost art of optimizati-NOT IF I HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY SAAR! ON MY WAY TO MICROSOFT RIGHT NOW!
>>733665756>developers will have to relearn the lost art of optimization if they want to sell video games and other software. Can they? Will they?LolThey're going to double down on fake frames.
>>733665756>Computer from 2000 running an OS from 1995 with specs far and beyond the minimum specsvs>Tablet from 2020 running an OS from 2023 that just barely meets the minimum specsWindows 11 is shit but jesus these shit comparisons aren't doing any favors.A better comparison would have been the top PC running XP and, surprise, it runs like shit on a system like that.
>>733666431No they won't, you will be renting your PC on the cloud eventually.They want to control everything you do and consume, you WILL embrace diversity and Israel.
>>733665756>wow... this entire computer runs a30 year old OS better than this dogshit budget chinkoid tablet runs a entire modern OS with security features and background processesNo shit.
>>733665756They aren't going to optimize shit. Welcome to hell. You'll just have to wait about 2 years for the prices to go down and devs to just move on to newer hardware with less optimization.We have computers thousands of times more powerful running worse than ever. You should be able to run 100 instances of Crysis on an average PC, but instead it struggles to open the calculator.Welcome to jeet hell.
>>733666627Imagine defending a jeet mega corporation selling you dogshit spyware that doesn't run well at all.
>>733666689This. Consumers will get used to 15 fps 320x200 graphics again and they will like it.
>>733666627>entire modern OS with security featuresPretty sure that's Windows on that tablet.
>appssteve jobs invented this word to describe the programs on his mobile computer that you can use without a stylus
>>733667468who the FUCK is steve jobs
>>733666627>>733666524There is no magic thing any modern operating system "does" that Windows 2000/XP couldn't
The difference is white people made the PCs in the 2000s, indians and other browns worked on windows 11
>>733667527The bald Tim Cook
Brownsoft Limited
>>733667605who the FUCK is tim cook
>>733665756>developers will have to relearn the lost art of optimization
>>733666431>massive deal falls through>hardware prices remain 5x higher than normal because retards still buy themeat shit poors lmao
>>733665756lol of course not fucking retard
>>733665924>shader model 3my belovedonly remember it because it cucked me out of playing splinter cell chaos theory back in the day because my current GPU didn't support it.
Either we start cloning the best or AI will make 99% of the low performers obsolete. That's the only ways you could get snappy software again.
>>733665756people don’t understand game dev at all. if devs couldn’t be bothered to click the optimize button before I wouldn’t expect them to now.
>>733666490How much is the chinaman paying you for this unfunny spam, ramjeet?
>>733667541inbuilt spyware and has pride flags in the start menu
I really don't get this mentality of "weaker specs means they'll be forced to optimize", because even if devs start catering to lower spec machines (and that's a big if), most of the performance gains will be from downgrading fidelity/details rather than actual optimization work
>>733665756lollmaoNo, you will get PS1-looking game that run at 30FPS on 2015-tier hardware and that's it.Optimization is a pure white autist domain, you will never get it just because the hardware changed, you would need a DEEP change in recruitment for it to come back.
>>733665756>developers will have to relearn the lost art of optimization if they want to sell video gamesOr you can stop being a poor third worlder. Video games are not for broke subhumans like you.
>me who has been grinding the art for yearsI knew first hand that it was worth it. I can't make excuses for even my own software that I write. I've felt what it's like when it's optimal and responsive and I won't go back to writing anything less. I hope others follow.
>>733666524My PC in the basement is a basic compaq desktop from 2003 running windows xp sp3 with a pentium 4 and 512mb ramit still boots and loads programs faster than my primary desktop which has a ryzen 7 and 64gb ram and windows 10.
>>733665756>b-but the operating system on the bottom has more features and is more secure!!!You do not have an inch of understanding how fast computers have got and how much of that power is wasted on completely worthless garbage
>>733667605cook my balls
jeet codetelemetry make them more money than the OS itself
>>733667974>>733665756https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_and_Bill%27s_law
I heard nothing but bad stories of Windows 11 that I decided to stick with 10. But even 10 was running so fucking slow that I decided to just bite the bullet and switch to Mint. Spent the weekend getting both my desktop and laptop setup, and it's fucking astounding how much faster they are now. Used to take like 3 minutes for my desktop to shut down on Windows but now it shuts down in like 10 seconds. What the fuck did Microsoft do to Windows?
>>733665756>it can only mean one thing: developers will have to relearn the lost art of optimizationNah, they are just going to lean even more into cloud gaming
>>733667946I'm not even a game dev but I was fucking around with Unity and it's so easy to run the performance profiler and see exactly what part of the game is causing performance problems.
>>733665756Larp. In the 2000 we had Pentium III 800MHz, RAM ammount checks out and windows ME 98
>>733666816>320x200I love when my circle drawing algorithm has to take the non-square pixels into account.
>>733665756>Windows 11Oohh, use Linux retard.
>>733669320>What the fuck did Microsoft do to Windows?-Hire jeets.-Spyware tripling down on.
>>733666590TRVKE
>>733670028Linux DEs can be slow and sluggish, too. They're not exempt from bloat.t. uses KDE daily at work
>>733670291your linux de has in it precisely what you chose to have in it.
>>733670414Deinstall one of the six hundred something packages that come with a DE meta package and see how that goes.
>>733665969>I don't think AI is good at optimizing code.Because it doesn't. It literally can create anything new, it either copy something talented man already did or just make nonsense stuff up.
>>733667468"killer app" was a term long before iPhone
I paid $235 for this today after tax todayI was running 16gbcorsair + 8gb off a different stick for a stuttering 24gb of ram. Going to set my XMP to actually use 3200mhz hopefully this will help the 3080 a bit more.
Most competent software engineers go to fields that actually pay well. The dark mages of optimization like John Carmack are long gone.
>>733670940why the fuck you buying DDR4??? Microcenter has bundle deals to get gskill ddr 5 32GB (2x16) for $180 usd. 14700k $180 and asus tug Z790 board for $170
>>733665756software engineers see hardware upgrades as an excuse to be lazy
>>733671098Optimization is "easy" when your programs are small and comprehensible down to the machine code. Most modern engines in use have decades worth of legacy code nobody still working on them has a full grasp on them.
>>733670695app in that phrase is short for application you fucking retard, which has always been a term for computer programs.jesus christ you're so fucking stupid
>>733665756>developers will have to relearn the lost art of optimizationNope.
>>733665756They won't optimise for shit, modern "developers" don't even care let alone know anything, they will continue to shit out games with absurd requirements because sheep will keep paying more for overpriced components. And then you will have threads on /v/ with faggots going>lol what are you, poor? Lmao
>>733665756If the AI bubble pops, they will just turn all of these data centers into cloud computer rental centers from where you can rent a computer strong enough to run the latest AAA games at 30 FPS with an added 60-180 ms latency
Not reallyYou have AMD and Intel constantly doing microcode updates that make their CPUs significantly slower because of newly found vulnerabilities every other year
>>733671496app in app is short for application you fucking retard, which has always been a term for computer programs.jesus christ you're so fucking stupid
This desktop computer can open apps from it's era quickly which this cheap tablet running software that's beyond it is slow. How crazy is that?
>>733671272What happens if you mix RAM that have different frequencies?
>>733673956Microstutters, even just different brands. I have it installed now but I took out 2 corsairs 2133mhz 16gb and an 8gb hyperx and I am excited to test my games in a bit. They need to all be the same model RAM or issues arise
>>733671272I went to microcenter! Didnt need the motherboard or any bundle just ram. Do you think I got super screwed? It took me a while to contemplate going through with this I hadnt seen better prices for 32gb near me (east coast)
Dumb comparison>windows 11Lol
>>733671272Oh I see. I dont mind admitting that sometimes I'm retarded or confused. I actually didnt realize ddr5 starts where dd4 maxes out - but like you said Id have needed a new motherboard. Itd have been a bit steep for me to do the whole bundle but thank you for letting me know. I couldve used your advice maybe id have held off :p
It's that thing, if there are resources, programmers will use them...If you open the fucking notepad today, it will already use 40MB of RAM by default, even though it has less features than a text editor that ran on machines with 64KB of RAM in the past...
>>733665756this is extremely hinduphobic of you saar
>>733673956nothing faggot. nothing. just respect JEDEC timings and stop using retarded XMP/DOCP/whatever shitalways pick the lowest of the RAM frequencies and the loosest timingsand make sure not to run out of ranks (CPU's MCU has a limited number). shit like that is one of the reasons you look at the shit beyond frequency numbres and cas latency timings
>>733673956The worst settings of each stick will get negotiated. Enabling XMP can be problematic, too. Due to different profiles and voltages.
>>733677584>stop using retarded XMP/DOCP/whatever shit>t. lost the memory controller lottery
>>733675110I paid around $150 for 64gb of ddr4 a few years ago. you probably should have just purchased a single 16gb stick. unless your mobo has 4 slots then you could use all 3 of your 16gb sticks. I wouldn't add the 8gb due to size mismatch so it might revert to single channel.
>winblowsgot what he paid for
>>733666524I put Fedora on a laptop from 2009 recently that could barely run the Windows 7 that was previous installed on it and the difference there is night and day. That machine couldn't even boot Windows 11.
>>733665969I've found it to be the opposite. One of the best use cases for AI is to ask it to look over a block of code and suggest optimizations, especially if it's fresh context and you're telling it exactly where to look. It can find things like inefficient join orders in db queries or times you're reinventing the wheel instead of using a built in function in a library you're already importing.
>>733665756This is the same argument that the people were making just a bit of time after ram skyrocketed. "Other PC parts will have to go down in price so they Can sell"And now gpu went up, psu went up, coolers went up, cases went up. All that's left are mobos.So the same answer. THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO SHIT AND THEY WON'T DO SHIT!! Because you retards will be buying both up and down.
>>733665756No. Personal computers are being phased out and the games industry will have to move to mobile for a while until those get phased out as well. At that point they'll have a place on the slave farms with the rest of us.
What constitutes waste in a lot of these programs?I'm not a very good programmer so idk much about refactoring and optimization.
>>733665756this comparaison is kinda fucking retarded. That's a p3 in there proably so that's maybe a USD1200. (and it's 1999 then) In today's money that $2200. My am4 pc has no problem booting windows in less than 5 seconds on win10. anyway bunch of fuckers who don't know what the fuck they are talking about again>muh muh HDDhdd were not slow back then, they just plateaud hard. i recall a 2000's seagate having a theorical read of about 100 mb/s at 5400rpm. Not that much slower than 2013 ish drives before ssd became mainstreamas always peak dunning kruger's not understanding the subject, making a fool of themselves and missing the point
>>733678084So I guess i couldve bought 16gb of that to reach 32gb of 2133mhz, but isnt my 32gb, installed in slots 2 and 4 so I could go to 64, at 3200mhz better? I dont really get mhz I could ask grok but im welcome to hear your advice anon ty
>>733665756>developers will have to relearn the lost art of optimization if they want to sell video games and other softwarethat is lower caste work
Microsoft got JEETED, that's why
>>733665756>companies spending moneyLMAO
