Will 2026 be the year of the Asgore?
It's going to the year of ship troons seething
>>733667147Probably not.
>>733667147I pictured Mad Dummy as having a gruff male voice when I played Undertale, and I still picture the character as sounding like that in the Mew Mew doll. Something like Dr. Mrs. The Monarch
>>733668626but mettaton completely changed his voice with the new body
>>733668783He upgraded his sound cardI picture Mad Dummy talking through a low-bitrate voice box when he speaks in-character as Mew Mew but flips back to the deep male voice when he breaks character. Like how the baby in Roger Rabbit behaves on-camera versus off-camera.
There is no coming back from this
>>733669996goreybros... is it over?
>>733669996What a line, this must have been in Toby's fever dream.
>>733667147I saw tumblr posts hating on asgore and saying they hope he stays a nothing loser in chapter 5 and it made me so so so mad.
>>733669996I would kill myself if I were Kris.
>>733667147If we don't get anything else, I hope chapter 5 shows us that Asgore is a great dad. The weird route showed that he could tell Kris was rattled, and went out of his way to make homemade hot chocolate, so I feel like Toby will at least let him have this as an undeniable positive.
I hope for the best for Asgore, to move on and find love with someone else.
>>733667147There's people in 2026 still fussing about fucking Deltroon?
>>733673303It released two chapters last year and allegedly will release another this year, of course people still care. Interest held during the four-year drought between Chapters 2 and 3, people feel relatively energized about what's to come
2026 is the year war was beginningSomebody set up us the bomb
which way goat man
>>733675195fish
>>733675195Toby has the opportunity to do the funniest thing
The irony that Asgore could've easily become a harem protagonist but decided to throw everything for the biggest bitch in town and still failed.
>>733675195>>733676567You think Kris ever regrets being adopted?
>>733677042Kris loves their family and shows an open aversion to other humans, so if anything it's an "I wish I was born a real cute goat faggot like my brother" situation
>>733677042he regrets having gaster-ed dess and ruining everyones lives in the process
>>733667147Nope, Asgore is always gonna be a loser
>>733667147Isn’t mew mew “trans coded” or something lmao
keegan michael key
She would fucking love Mewgenics
>>733682619
>>733677015the emasculated urge to try and bag mentally ill baddies. none of the dreemurr men are free from it
>>733677042Kris regrets being born partly because he correctly thinks he made his adopted family worse just by being around.
>>733683614>Doomed to fall for mentally ill bitches so much even the adopted kid got it. Susie being the sanest option for Kris really says it all.
>>733684165wel there is catti and uh...
>>733685469asgore is proof they like the strong fatties with a big heart
>>733685469>>733685779Now I want to see King Asgore and Miss Mizzle as a ruler couple.
>>733685949>Chapter 5 is Toriel seething at Asgore getting a girl lmao
>>733667147>Divorced man crashes out, loses his job, his family's respect, and chases a transgender loverA tale as old as time, really.
>>733685949who is King's girl besides that one schizo?
>>733686340Either Queen or no one.
>>733686340Rouxls Kaard
>>733686598I love this image because you just know Noelle is wetter than the Niagara falls in this.
Alphys pity sex
>>733686942*Three fiddy
>>733675195Alphys to maximize Kris' pain.
>>733686942>Knight is more aggressive towards Ralsei because he looks like her previous playmateI'd believe it.
So does Asgore get a catgirlsex doll in chapter 5 or somethin?
>>733686942She's real for that
>>733687661I honestly think Kris would consider murder if Asgore started dating Alphys.
>>733687984Add in the "Alphys is Susie's guardian" theory for even more pain.
>>733687818yes toby just confirmed that in the last super secret newsletter
>>733686081This would be a kino subversion I hope he's visually vindicated, not just in a "gets over toriel" way, I wanna see this nigga find someone new or patch things up with his ex, learn from their mistakes and create a stronger relationship.
>>733674350>the boy who cried the wolfyeah sure
>>733688179>Kris and Asriel get a sexy purple dragon stepsister
>>733667147Mad Mew Mew doesn't exist in Deltarune for the same reason Metaton doesn't. Ghosts in Deltarune can't possess physical objects
>>733688783Ghosts can (sometimes) became darkners like deceased beings.
>>733684165nah susie's a real one. noelle's the one that'll ruin you
>>733689335I agree. That's what I'm saying: Susie is the most sane girl that Kris could go for.
>>733688783>Ghosts in Deltarune can't possess physical objectsWe don't know that. Mad Dummy and Mettaton being disembodied (presumably, we haven't actually seen them) doesn't mean it's not possible for them to become corporeal, they just haven't been able to find the right body in this timeline.Doesn't the fact that Mettaton still makes up his "dream body" imply that it's possible?
>>733677254>so if anything it's an "I wish I was born a real cute goat faggot like my brother" situationOh, so that's where Ralsei comes from
I guess the discussion lost steam, or is it something else?
>>733690784We had a good run, but it's been six months already. Shitposts were made, we trashed Toriel, we made 194032 interpretations of the Prophecy/Dragon Blazers/Lord of the Hammer and who the girl was, we pushed the Knightbowl as far as our current knowledge allows us...All that's left is waiting for the fifth chapter.
>>733690784without delusional general-goers you can't really have hundred-post-long threads after the most obsessive fans exhausted the discussion in 3 weeks post-releaseno news, no happennings, no posts and that's a good thing>t. lurker
>>733691601>>733691898I guess this is it. Though, just chapter 2 and the sweepstakes alone kept things going for a good 4 years.
>>733690784No schizos starting shit and no effortposters posting theories to discuss. I got some Chapter 5/Asgore stuff out of my system yesterday.
>>733691601See you in another six months or so.
Concept art from Undertale of the Riverperson wearing a pink and yellow flower shirt like Asgore's
>>733691601We need to bring back deltarot.
>>733693339fucking how????we got only one quirky chapter boss and not a single new true schizo bossthere is nothing to be memed from the titan
>>733693659I'm glad people like you aren't making Deltarune.
>>733694509be happy when even the whole story around dess was just a red herring for the real storymaybe even gaster was too
>>733669996What a physically damaging line
>is the only one in the entire fucking game to have a random fucking sans parallel for some reasonENTER
>sucks ass in undertale besides that one line to the point toby literally begs the viewers in the 10th anni to think shes as cool as sans>is effortlessly fucking comedy gold in deltarune How does she do it?
>>733697913She's the type of character that's more suited for a background role
What is the school project even supposed to be? Are we writing an essay? Making a poster board? Doing a science experiment? Making a slideshow? That's the real mystery.
>>733697714>random fucking sans parallelWhat would that be?I always thought Seam was the Sans of this game.
>>733697913does ANYBODY know why toby tried to push sans x alphys so hard in the anniversary stream? like he was really hinting if not for undyne that they would be insanely close
>>733698343deltarune's bottomline right now are the shippersplus, she says "they had a past together" in undertale, because of course just plainly stating their deal wouldn't be quirky meta enough
>>733667147Unironically it would be fucking insanely, unquestionably based when Asgore in chapter 5 will take animepill and will get into relationship with mew mew in dark world but then in light world keep her as a doll in his shop sitting on chair having some cute flower themed clothes. And actually truly enjoys his chapter of life. Bonus points if Toriel will become unhappy with fact that Asgore no longer tries to win her back and just moved onIf this happens then i will co sider Toby Fox as based beyond based.
>>733698439here's my antibased despair-pill that's just plausible enough for tricky tony to pullit will be revealed that the reason behind the most divorced man alive has little to do with december/coverup/darkworld, but the simple fact that asgore was so obsessed with proving his point he neglected the family life (see also: I WILL SHOW THEM I WILL SHOW THEM ALL -tier monologue in holiday household)so even if asgore is vindicated on that front, it won't fix the resulting family issues and kris will keep on crying in a broken home
I just think Susie and Alphys would make for better wives than Toriel desu.
>>733698343They were already very subtly shown to have some kind of friendship and working relationship in Undertale. It's probably something Toby feels like he could have explored more, and/or will be relevant to Deltarune somehow so he wanted to draw more attention to it.
>>733677042maybe in a self loathing type of way, that they'd be better off without himbut never in the sense that he would've wanted to be with anyone else, kris cares for his family extremely deeply and any perceived insult against them is one of the fastest ways to get on kris' shit list
>>733699691I always forget you have a phone, or how there's neutral endings you only get if you kill specific people
>>733699282I think Asgore's obsession and Carol's support of him led to the divorce
And as the years go by, I will never die.
>>733699282This feels like the direction the story is going toTobby has issues that wont let him put asgore in any favorable light
>>733699663asgore getting with alphys is honestly one of the better outcomes for the both of them even if kris seethes endlessly about it
>>733698091>CastletownWhen the last fountain gets closedAlphys will find them in that room with the neatly arranged town
>>733699663Anyone would be a better wife and mother than toriel
>>733698343Maybe an olive branch to depressed fishfags? That Undyne can now be waifufagged proper?
Toby is a cruel yurifag master
Toby has shit taste in Yuri ships.
>>733703295>>733703373trust the trickster
>>733667147It will finally be HER year
>>733702137Kris is stuck with his mom potentially dating a guy who just moves into town, and his dad being a massive cringelord who can't take his situation seriously enough and still thinks he can salvage it
>>733686942>dess dreams of swooning minors
>>733704041How can i look like this?
>>733704041World's most divorced woman
>>733704041In her lore, she actually killed Dess because she was jealous of her relation with Kris
>>733702495how would toriel and carol would react to this
>>733704603disappointed that they were careless but ultimately supportive i highly doubt carol would give the 'you ruined your life' speech if kris is the father but toriel might on autopilot
when are we seeing her again?
>>733704576im hoping dess turns out to be like eddies brother and susie gets bullied by her to establish how kris only really saw one side of her before
>>733703442Lesbo Krusie...
>>733704758chapter 5 festival. she will be running a cookie stand
>>733667147Probably not. I expect his flowers to be more important than him in the Dark World and we are getting the reason for the divorce which won't paint Asgore in a good light. However it will all be drowned by this >>733667682Shipfags will probably meltdown after this chapter making discussion impossible outside of Kriselle in the Weird Route.
>>733675195Mad Mew Mew. Give him the genderless ghost sex doll pussy.
>>733677042No. Kris probably hates that he isn't a real dreemurr and is h*man instead.
>>733683614It's a good thing Ralsei isn't a dreemurr so he's free from their curse
>>733686340Queen.
>>733686942Why is Asriel so goddamn buff?
>>733688783Everything involving Mettaton making the NEO body implies otherwise. I bet he will possess Tenna if you gave it to him.
>>733690784It's been 7 months. We already had schizos, theory posting, horny posting, but now we need to wait for the newsletter for discussion to rejuvenate.
>>733692293If you want a theory I have one.I have been thinking about how each secret boss has been more relevant to the plot than the next one.Jevil is completely irrelevant and optional and you can beat Chapter 1 without even learning about him.Spamton has a required boss fight but all of his lore and the actual fight against the machine that has the Crystal is completely optional, otherwise Spamton is just a quirky one-off miniboss.Knight is a required boss fight at the end of Chapter 3, as well as a major character who kills Tenna and kidnaps Undyne. However beating it is optional and getting the armor that makes it easier is also optional. Gerson is a major side character in Chapter 4 who has a major storyline with Susie and a required fight as a statue with the same moves as his secret boss (including soul mode) and shows up in the end of the main boss. His actual fight to get the crystal is optional but otherwise he is probably the most important darkner in Chapter 4.If this continues the shadow crystal boss of Chapter 5 should be even more relevant and important than Gerson. Who that could be I have no idea. FRIEND, Asgore’s flowers or even Asgore himself all fit. Maybe getting the shadow crystal is required in Chapter 5 and that's how a normal player will even learn they exist.
>>733698332Ramb ordering "the usual" when he first got into TV World. Sans did the same when he first ate at Grillby's, but Ramb flopped while they loved Sans.>>733698343Toby probably wants to know Sans and Alphys are friends since that isn't super explicit in Undertale. He usually does that when he feels his fans didn't care about things he kept hidden enough.
>>733699282I think it's also that and whatever Asgore is coping about having "tried to protect them all" that day.
There's a fic where Kris cucks a Azzy and bangs Dess with his much larger cock.The latest chapter has Kris getting sucked off by his rock hard brother while Dess encourages her boyfriend to swallow.That shit was hot af.
>>733703373Yuri is only good for coom and for you to self-insert into a threesome.
>>733703442This is the ultimate monkey paw for /v/ and HMOFAfags.
>>733704576Asgore is too innocent for that. He killed her without even knowing the vile things she did.>>733704603Disappointed because teen pregnancy but Carol would support them even if it means extreme care and protection. Same for Toriel except she would be angry but at the same time nostalgic for the times she was also careless.
>>733704758So Sorry did show up so it's possible she at least gets a cameo.
>>733706646Cuckshit and gayshit is lame. Asriel doesn't need Dess, he has Chara.
>>733704576...what kind of relation did those two have exactly...?
>>733706862She raped him. She molested him. They did the naughty.
>>733705886have you seen his parents
>>733707883I always saw him as growing up to be lanky but not buff like Asgore.
>>733691898I mean, we had threads for several months already past the initial 3 weeks. We are on the seventh month of almost daily threads. However you are right I can notice a lot of the thread "regulars" at this point, though.>>733692172Did we have daily threads back then? I thought the threads were every few weeks or when a newsletter happened. We need to wait for the next one in March for the threads to pick up in speed.
>>733706862Kris was a whore that tempted Dess with her slutty clothing.
>>733709419Canon?
>>733692172Chapter 2:>Elaborated how the game will progress - going to multiple dark worlds across hometown instead of just more areas of Card Kingdom.>Sparked guessing games of where the next Dark Worlds would be.>Further elaborated on the progression of secret bosses, what they hold, and a potential end goal their shadow crystals may be put towards.>Gifted to us Spamton in all his glory, his cryptic foreshadowing towards Tenna and Mike, and finally gave Undertale Genocide fans a proper Mettaton NEO fight.>Made Noelle an actual party member.>Made more players aware of the existence of her sister Dess who was barely mentioned in Chapter 1, and the significance of her disappearance.>Laid out an end goal for the antagonist, the Roaring.>Gave the Thrash Machine the spotlight, for real this time.>Introduced an alternate route which could (still) go anywhere, and gave us even more Spamkino.>The cliffhanger of Kris opening up a fountain himself as Tenna smiles in the background.Sweepstakes (part 1):>Probably the most teasers Toby Fox has dumped for future chapters.>Elnina and Lanino, Shadowguys, Ramb, FRIEND, etc.>Lore from before Chapter 1 through Noelle's blog posts.>First time Tenna's name was dropped.>That fucking finale.Sweepstakes (part 2):>Came out of absolutely nowhere to tease more from Chapter 3, 4, and even a tinge of 5.>ERAM teased through quoting Link's Awakening.>/rarecats/>More correlation between FRIEND, cats, and the Spamton-adjacent smile in the basement.>Not Applicable.>Applicable.>Not Applicable. But...>The /thankyou/ mini ARG (and its own second part)>The number teasers correlating the influence of the Weird Route.>/window(s)/, ROOTS, and the tree.Honorable Mention: Valentine's Day 2024:>Namedropped Elnina and Lanino.>The Forgotten Man's valentine that everyone instantly assumed was Gaster at first before Chapter 3 came out.We had a surplus of shit to sperg over for 4 years.
>>733708887I actually do wonder if the mad ghost actually likes Asgore or if she will be important to Chapter 5 at all. One person made a fan song for her in Chapter 5.https://soundcloud.com/i_love_deltarune/bloody-kisses
>>733710153Meanwhile for Chapter 5 we don't have as much plus the chapter is coming out in a few months anyways. All we have is that the festival will happen, Asgore and his flowers will be important and the fire of jealousy. Plus the Mike teasers in the newsletter.
>>733703886>Hits Kris so hard that the bat breaksEvil monster...
what's her defect
>>733711901Teenage girl that is horny for everything that moves, no matter the gender.
I need to thank this drawanon in person.
>>733711901horny ass sub
is gerson being able to dodge a sans upscale or sans downscale
>>733712758Gerson is a war veteran and one of the strongest monsters around, so an upscale.
>>733669996This is the funniest joke ever in Deltarune and Undertale.
>>733712758sans upscale because for how ridiculously strong gerson is, sans's dodging is still more impressive
>>733692293Effortposters have been AWOL for a while because mindbroken mikefags(among others) make it an annoyance. See >>733695565 as an example.
>>733713565I literally made an effort post earlier but nobody replied to it>>733706472I think the idea of Chapter 5 Shadow Crystal being required to get to not be unplausible. Maybe the actual secret fight will be the one against Seam
>>733667147I want him to lose his shit and tell Toriel and Sans to go fuck themselves but that's probably not going to happen. I don't really see why Asgore is treated like shit in this game, in UT I could tell its because he made a tough decision that was inevitably going to lead to people of his city being split on whether or not he's in the right or wrong. In this game he seems to be genuinely trying to just keep his shit together and fix things yet he's still just treated as a pathetic failure
>>733713884We will probably find out the reason behind the divorce in Chapter 5 and that will reawaken all the Toriel vs Asgore arguments from the Undertale days.
>>733713668I think it's extremely likely. The prophecy panels only highlighted the main boss of the chapters, so Asgore seems to be the next one. And yet, he prominently has the pink and gold color scheme, to the point Gerson describes the entire dark world as having it. Not to mention he has a black shard already. When we picked ours up, it came with a shadow crystal, meaning Asgore may already be holding the 5th. I think a setup like that would be perfect to show what's going on with the shadow crystals, and how they're affecting the holders, since we actually have a comparison for how Asgore acts normally.
>>733714265Personally I think the golden flower is more likely to be the main boss rather than Asgore, but it could be both of them as well due to Snowdin having both Sans and Papyrus in it. Asgore does have FRIEND'S color scheme and a black shard, but I don't know if he will be the one wielding the crystal. It's very likely that FRIEND is going to be actually important this chapter, so maybe he will have the final one and explain to us where the crystals even come from in the first place.
>>733712758the real question is, why can sans already teleport in deltarune?gerson is just super fast and RK's moveset allows itbut sans is in the fucking light worldyou dont even need to talk to him once throughout the 4 chapters he just specifically fucks with kris/susie hereis he really from a 3rd game/world and is a timecop or some shit?
>>733715508>is he really from a 3rd game/world and is a timecop or some shit?probablygrillbys being identical to me means this can't be pre-undertale sans, because assuming he can move buildings between dimensions with his magical powers that the fandom assumes he has why move grillbys?
>>733715508Because Sans and Papyrus are from Gaster land and they have their powers from Gaster bullshit. I wouldn't be surprised if they come from mancountry or a place like that.
>>733715607The skeletons exist in a in-between world of Deltarune and Undertale. A clopen stage
>>733715508the truth nuke is that the timeline goesdeltarune -> undertaleBut the way Deltarune was supposed to go has "concluded" by the time Undertale hits. Kris fucking with the prophecy now that (You)'re here changes how Deltarune "concludes". Sans got in on this (can tell from your expression that (You) know him) and is essentially fucking around on his 2nd lap in Deltarune.
>>733669996I like to believe that Sans turns away at this moment because he genuinely found the joke funny and don't want to show it
>>733715678yeah i will say, deltarune is definitely not "just a prequel" PURELY because of picrel and the other instances of the soul having UT knowledge. i do believe its a 2nd try of the original deltarune but wont affect UT
>>733715768Asgore and Sans would be good friends
>>733703373It's because he's cut from the /co/fag cloth
>>733687661>>733687984If Kris is a time looper like everyone thinks, this interaction makes perfect sense
>>733703886that's not ice-ethat's toast-e
>>733667147Krusie will defeat Suselle on the festival. Im as old as Toby and played same games as he. I know how he thinks.
>>733689335Shes a trad mom, Noelle would be a shitlib
>>733697913Toby giving you ability to fuck with her and ruin her romance with Undyne is fixing all the issues with Undertale Alphyne. This is why i think Suselle is also not gonna be forced
>>733697913Shes based for supporting Krusie. Entire ship happens because of her
>>733716245Do you also put on cute dresses like he does?
>Toby enjoys torturing and bullying Alphys>Toby enjoys torturing and bullying Noelle>Toby enjoys torturing and bullying RalseiThere's not much else to it
>>733716664I seen worse shitpost. The fact he think this was funny should make troons mad, not us
>>733716709He self insert as Kris. Krusie and Kriselle are very likely end games
>>733715768Sans and Asgore are canonically friends so I believe this.
>>733716772He self inserts as a male Kris but in a way that simultaneously paints himself as both an LGBT ally and an evil toxic white male that needs to apologize
>>733716726reminds me of this
>>733715787It's a prequel from Sans point of view. It's a sequel on our point of view. It's a circle.
>>733716125It's called Fire-E
>>733697913>>733716626
>>733716920Asgore would do this unironically
>>733716467i could make her worse
>>733717586Neither of them have dicks unless you accept the existence of lightsabers
>>733718219If only Susie knew how hard Kris gets from the bullying
>>733717643Me...
>>733718909
>>733719302
>>733715508I assumed that Grillby's was what the building was before, then Sans renovated it to be a supermarket. He just barely touched the outside because he's lazy.
>>733719601but why is it identical to the undertale grillby's when the librarby isn't?
>>733719601Grillby's and Sans’s house are identical across the two games for some reason.
>>733706813>So Sorry did show upWhere?
>>733720882Egg Room. Creator even confirmed it was him.
>>733721345Which chapter?
>>733720882>>733721345https://bsky.app/profile/butterdragon.bsky.social/post/3lrvzcpdeac2c
>>733721460Chapter 4. Inside the hospital room drawing.
>>733721527I didn't catch that. Please post a pic?
can't wait to be put down non stop after chapter 5 if I dare to not enjoy it and come here talk about that
>>733667147I want Mad Mew Mew to sodomize me
>>733721623
>>733703442Do I really just watch, or is this code for "let us warm-up before you join"?
>>733721461this is so gay
>>733721726Can't wait for you to not enjoy chapter 5 because you found a small side element of ch1-4 to fixate on and claim has always been the point of the story
>>733721940No, I mean of the hospital room and the drawing.
>>733703442PoV: You're Noelle
>>733705790Ralsei’s only real romantic options are mentally ill furry manlet or homeless dino chick (no one remembers the chapter 1 darkners). Ralsei’s an honorary dreemurr
>>733722115Did you not play chapter 4?https://youtu.be/p5avfMBN56g?t=850
>>733722070>a small side elementWe have argued a thousand times and you still haven't understood Mike was just the cherry on top?Exploring the overworld and fighting enemies and bosses has been "the point" of the UTDR gameplay since 2013, being pissed off I was stuck almost an entire chapter in a shitty minigame isn't "fixating on a small element".
>>733721461Wasn't this guy an admin of a literal Zoophilia server and defended it when people found out about it?
>>733715854Hey it's the stronger than you people!
>>733722391>Exploring the overworld and fighting enemies and bosses has been "the point" of the UTDR gameplay since 2013W R O N G!
>>733722334Wait, so the guy behind the tree all this time isn't Gaster, it's So Sorry??
>>733722530Wrong, that's Sans.
>>733721515Krisoul fankid when?
>>733721515
>>733722628No, watch the rest. The man behind the tree and So Sorry are two different people. They were both in the art club, though.
>>733722821Too late. My headcanon is already permanently changed.
>>733722229Wrong, his best romantic option is me
>>733722651That's (you). As in (you) in real life.
>>733674350We get signal
>>733722553>no argument
>>733669996Words cannot explain how this is actually genuinely and also ironically funny.
>>733667147>pairing Asgore with an actual unironic "anime" cat"girl" trannyCome on. Hasn't the guy suffered enough?
I want susie to put a spiked cage on my cock and then kick me in the nuts while wearing a police officer's uniform. When will Toby Fox add this to the game?
>>733723261>the point of the gameplay is the fact that I can walk around and interact with stuff>doing this in TV time doesn't count because it's a MINIGAME>I am invested in the flavor text of objects in a game, but not flavor text in a game in a game, that would be absurd
>>733722475the veraverse shit? weren't they irl groomers too?
>>733723619Chapter 3 had a pitiful amount of enemies, no proper midboss and a secret boss wasted on that fucking minigame which has nothing to do with the usual battle system.
>>733716859How many layers of schizo is Robert Fuchs operating on?
>>733723662yeah actually, i kinda remember thisi guess you could say he didnt know about it maybe?
>>733723802>the thing I value about Deltarune's gameplay is specifically the way the battle system has been used so far, Toby should've known that dodging is only good when it's in a box in the middle of the screen where I play as a heartCool story bro
>>733722638Even the remakes have been exploding in popularity. It's an Undertale song now.https://youtu.be/qg9IMJKnIAAhttps://youtu.be/shVKIMqYyhg
>>733669996Cringekino in a single image.
>>733723065KRIS IS MY MOM?!
>btfo's krusie shippers
>>733724056>the way the battle system has been used so farYeah?????That's why people come back to play sequels anon.I don't get to ACT with Eram, I don't get to have my weapon and armor build make a difference for that battle, I don't get to plan turns with the party members, I have to learn an entirely different combat system in the middle of the game, I don't get to read the boss monologuing between turns, and said boss has no personality.
>>733724238Yes. Kris was the real MILF
>>733724385Susie is a Kralsei shipper, based on her self-esteem I don't think she would imagine someone could like her romantically.
Why is Kris Dreemurr so opposed to the idea of having hot sweaty lovey dovey baby making sex with his childhood friend?
>mfw when i'm finally playing chapter 5 but i didn't eat my dino nuggies so i start to fucking hate it
>>733724734>just wants to watch the two twinks hump ass with each other while she flicks itTurns out the chair wasn’t for Noelle after all…
>>733724841Kris NEEDS to feel the constant fear that Dess is behind when he is fucking with Noellesegs too
>>733724396All of those things are secondary to the enjoyment of a boss fight. I still got a boss fight, so I am happy. Your inability to detect personality except as expressed through monologue is your own fault.
>>733702495>>733704603would kris and noelle make good parents
>>733725453look I won't even insist anymoredon't you have ONE thing you don't personally like about the game?
>>733725760>S-SOUL DID IT
>>733725760>generational trauma from both familiesTake a wild guess.
>>733725864Yes, tons. I just don't try to back up every single one of them by making it a "betrayal" of some core value I made up that a previous chapter had. I don't like the music robots, I think that entire portion of ch2 was kind of a waste of time, all it is is Toby writing a few "miss" characters, not him FORGETTING WHT MADE LANCER SO GREAT or whatever the fuck.
>>733725864What are your thoughts on these videos? They seem to share your hatred for Chapter 2 and beyondhttps://youtu.be/XuCJttSasDQhttps://youtu.be/aU5N84F8bxc
>>733724841Dess traumatized him.
>>733726218I mean... is there a better way to know what not to do to your children than having been traumatized by your own family yourself? You already got a recipe of what fucked you up so avoiding that shit in specific should be pretty easy.
>>733726615nta but these videos kinda suck. its just this guy saying the chapters didnt appeal to his freak pedophile tastes or his previous misconceptions
>>733726860>pedophileAre people just throwing the word out or what? There's not even lolisho in that video so I can't even understand where this came from?
>>733725760Fuck no.
>>733726748She ruined his perspective, I had a friend with a hot rough around the edges badass older sister that I desparately wanted to fuck when I was 13 so I get it
>>733667682Bottom is going to be me if it's Papyrus.
>>733718219
>>733724841He doesn't want to ruin the holiday bloodline. >>733725760Noelle is rich so it honestly doesn't matter.Kris seems like he would try. But he would also turn into a massive acholic and I imagine him ending up like Jack Torrance is pretty likely.
>>733727568That's never ever happening so you're safe.
>>733728018>control issues mom >terminally ill dad>Noelle >'not the greatest person' eldest daughterPretty sure that bloodline was ruined already.
>>733727367It was over for Kris before it began.
>>733673626Yeah, but grow the fuck up.You're not a teenager any more.
>>733728147Genetically they aren't beyond saving.
>>733724841fact: the only valid explanation for this is clone kris theory
>>733724841Because Kris is a straight woman.
God, I cannot wait to ditch Kris' dumbass and get a new vessel. I am so sick of his bitchy attitude
>>733728592Nah. Soulless Kris makes perfect sense as well.
>>733728714YEP. DOMINOris is getting the Berdly BBC.
>>733729026Same.Unless Kris is female. Then I have... other plans.
>>733724841he feels like he ruined her life enough
>>733728592>cloneWhat schizo theory did i miss, first time seeing this
>>733728714>Noelle the dyke raped KrisCanon
>>733728714impossible toby would never make ralsei straight
>>733730431He is at least bi since he blushes at bosom.
>>733727038On THE INTERNET reading comprehension skills are for NIGGERS, JEETS, PEDOPHILES, and NAZIS.
>>733724841After having a laugh at the fnaf vs poppy fans thanks to 'plier commentary, it made me think it kinda applies with DR too because we don't know why Kris is dodging her, and Kris motivations in general too and we are in ch4, still i trust in the dog
>>733724841Kris smelled Noelle's pussy when they were curious children. Then Dess took Kris and "punished" them. The combination of horrible smell and sexual trauma prevents any reciprocal sexual desire.
>>733731192>After having a laugh at the fnaf vs poppy fans thanks to 'plier commentary,What?
>>733729169You are NOT gonna make Kris pregnant.
>>733731997Kris will learn the truth... that all female game MCs are made for player cock.
Chapter 5 is more important than chapter 7 to be honest. Knowing that krusie or kriselle are an option at the festival will mean also they can become an end game in the finale instead of suselle. It will be more pleasant waiting for last two chapters knowing shitty yuri isnt forced.
>>733732217Based... this applies to Undertale too btw
>>733730431Ralsei is a lonely degenerate bisexual desperate for affection, like Toby's core audience
>>733677254>Kris fears humans, none are ever seen in-game>Kris has trauma from an incident, if not more>on-the-nose meta awareness elements>darkners are fictions come to life, including lightner appearances changing>kitchen theory that aligns too well with UT to be a coincidenceMonster lightners are simply real-world humans that became monsters because all of DR is Kris letting a dark world consume their world to escape woes (no friends, parents divorced, incident that killed Dess, etc.) in the real world to an idealized world where he at least has friends, just as UT was a childhood tale of Frisk (maybe over losing a brother and/or committing bad deeds?) letting their imagination run wild. This is what Roots is alluding to and why Kris is aiding Carol and the Knight, who probably are trying to stop the end of this idealized reality (World's End) and Snowgrave is bastardizing it into your own escapism world.
>>733732509Shipkeks really are like this? The ending of the game is going to be what shapes discussion of it. Chapter 5 is only important because it will determine what /v/ discusses.
>>733732704I really, desperately, need Ralsei to blush will I stoke his petite darkner cock and stick my tongue down his throat. I NEED to hear him moan as I enter him missionary style and I WILL demand a refund if this is not in Deltarune by the end.
>>733726615>What are your thoughts on these videos?Listening to this kind of salt on youtube rather than reading it here feels weirdly out of place. That guy totally browses this board, doesn't he? Anyway, I agree with a lot of his points about chapter 2 but not as much for chapters 3+4, we just don't have the same sense of humor for instance.I also feel he hasn't played Undertale in a while to notice what kind of game it really is. It's not nearly as mature as he makes it sound.
>>733732826Main ship is the main appeal, it will drive the fandom and fan sequela
>>733731997Yes I will.Repeatedly.
>>733733328>spoilerThe Noelle rape memes should've clued you in. That faggot totally lurks at least.
>>733732509Imagine being this delusional. Better get that noose ready boy, your choices will have zero impact on which characters end up together
>>733733393Calm down...
>>733730431Thats not how you take off armor. The artist even drew the side straps
>>733733573To be fair, those memes were really fucking popular on certain twt circles.
>>733733573He doesn't lurk enough to know Toby did that bit on We Baby Bears.He has some good points but god damn that bit about the pronouns was retarded.
>>733726615His points are retarded but hes based for making twitter seethe
>>733733392Does this imply Carol Knight?
>>733733393Good for you.
>>733726615actual truke, "LOL ITS JUST A STATUE" was a dogshit copout
>>733734234Honestly wonder if I should actually read this fic.
>>733733712Strange seeing someone actually like his points but I thought you would like it since he seemed to have your complaints, like whining about Mike
>>733734256I agree, not making gerson fucked up was just toby having cold feet, also the titan sequence is just 100% anime bs
>>733734296Personally I couldn't finish reading creep so I doubt I would be able to read this one as well since (you) are also in it
>>733733002>petite
>>733724154suusee you daft cunt you sharted all over the mattress again
>>733734696I'm okay with that as long as I get to top first.
>>733734296What fanfic are you talking about?
>>733735106Lessons in Hunanity on A03. Kris rape fic basically.
>>733734256I thought it was fucked up Gerson the first time I played through the chapter desu
>>733735323Pretty rare to find a good femKris rape fic, frankly. Noelle gets most of them.
>>733734296Do it.
>>733734234Now that I think about it, this is 100% the type of shit noelle would flick it too, and write....Why are women like this??????????
>>733735620>Dead dove: do not eatI don't get that one. It's a reference to a show, right?
>>733735634>Now that I think about it, this is 100% the type of shit noelle would flick it too, and write....Now I want to write a story where Noelle actually writes rape stories about Kris and Kris finds them.
>>733733582you will eat those words
>>733735634Noelle wishing on a monkey's paw>Make my rape fantasies with Kris come true!>>733735748What would Kris think about them? Also would Kris be the rapist or the victim?
>>733735793https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNufJ8m5KOw&list=PL1n3njNUsaJ8tL31k6GFcsYLbw2VxjMXg&index=4
>>733735673it means "it is exactly what it says on the tin" (or in this case, tags)so if you get offended its on you for not reading
>>733735634Why do women write rape fantasies about other women? Especially ones that were their childhood friend?
>>733735840>What would Kris think about them?Depends on if it's fem kris or male kris.>Also would Kris be the rapist or the victim?See above.
>>733735673It's a A03/fanfic culture thing for fucked up fanfics not for the faint of heart >>733735552The humans usually get rape fanfics actually written by women rather than just regular porn.
>>733734314>Strange seeing someone actually like his pointsAgain, mostly his chapter 2 takes, his takes for 3+4 had more misses for me. But unlike him, I'M GONNA [[Shoot For the Sky!]] was unsure about cyber world on my first play but learned to appreciate it for its good bits on repeated playthroughs. (I still keep my complaints) I'm yet to properly replay the new chapters, but I just don't think there is enough meat for me to have that turn around again.Leaving the shitposter banter mask aside for a bit, I think the real lesson here is "Don't do slow episodic releases to the point everyone has their own ideal version of the game in their head before the thing gets finished."I can only wonder what my reaction would be if I just played the whole game in one go without years to let every little thing fermenting in my mind.
>>733735673>It's a reference to a show, right?Yep. https://youtube.com/watch?v=YUKmq7UMJys
>>733735958If it's male kris, do me a solid and make her fantasy be that Kris gets Susie to hold down Noelle so Kris can rape and impregnate her. Just a suggestion.
>>733735748That's why kris has been so distant with noelle....And noelle tries to desperately bury any of her memories about her feelings for kris in the normal route, shame....
>>733736093I like that idea.Especially if I imply that it's actually a edited version and it was originally Dess doing it.
>>733735940Women are vindictive heartless, deranged, beasts, most guro artists are women
>>733735620what the fuck is "whump"
>>733735840>Also would Kris be the rapist or the victim?Sometimes one or the other, sometimes both
>>733736003>"Don't do slow episodic releases to the point everyone has their own ideal version of the game in their head before the thing gets finished."Just don't do episodic games, period
>>733735840Kris is eternally the RAPED. I thought the Weird Route made that clear.
>>733736273>Read that one Touhoudoujn where a bunch of people shove cockroaches down Sumireko's vagina>Author is a mother of two.,
>>733736205Female-facilitated Rape is just an S-tier fetish. Susie and Dess would both cause interesting conflicted feelings in Noelle. Either she has confused sexual arousal from Susie holding her down and covering her mouth, or she has a sense of obligation to her older sister and just let's it happen without fighting or screaming. >>733736396That's double rape. The soul rapes Kris by forcing Kris to rape Noelle. This is also an underappreciated form of rape.
Do you think we will get a sequel or at least a fandom sequel after time skip where we play as a half monster half human kid of Kris and Susie? It would be Boruto but more interesting.
>>733736393I enjoy the discussion and speculation (or used to enjoy at some point) but that sort of thing would only work if the game had a proper formula and more straightforward hints, and if the story was more episodic too without too many stakes.
>>733725760Why is one of their children just the Batter?
>>733736528>soul rapes Kris by forcing Kris to rape Noelle.Don't forget that noelle gets really into it and as a result makes her participation consensual but as a result noelle is n9w raping kris, adding up to a triple rape
>>733736604Honestly, I think we could have used one more "Filler" episodic adventure before the big game changer that was the knight showing up and all of Episode 4.
>>733736531i'd give it a year or two after deltarune is complete for us to reach 2016 levels of AUtism and fanchildren
>>733736840That's the ultimate point of half the things I've been complaining about for the last 7 months anon.Chapter 3 (out of 7) did the tonal shift Undertale waited for the end of Hotland to do.
What’s their endgame?
>>733736003>Leaving the shitposter banter mask aside for a bit, I think the real lesson here is "Don't do slow episodic releases to the point everyone has their own ideal version of the game in their head before the thing gets finished."That's the main issue of the WAIT. I wish everyday that Toby could've just released the game for full but instead we can't live in that world. Deltarune is simply too grand for that to be feasible.
Actual first blush of Susie vs Susie not even caring that she's hugging Noelle. How are people still thinking Suselle is happening? Toby is giving the most telegraphed doomed yuri you can ever write. Kriselle shippers can tell Noelle cares deeply for Kris under the guise of distanced childhood friends and Krusie shippers can tell Susie values Kris higher than Noelle.
>>733737223>HotlandNah, the tonal shift came about during the Undyne section. If anything, Hotland is a temporary retreat to more lighthearted fair before the ending.
>>733737329They will never meet. Noelle larps as her dead sister because she's completely bonkers.
>>733736273Reminds me when I browsed danbooru and I saw a bunch of guro Frisk art with Sans. Knew that was woman bullshit >>733736317Hurting a character a lot. Basically just a fanfic term for hurt and comfort without much comfort.
>>733737329Dess wanted to groom Kris, but Carol caught on to this, so she started grooming Noelle to steal Kris from Dess, but Dess started to counter-groom Noelle in to a lesbian. Because of this, Carol called in Asgore to groom Dess, but he took it too far and Dess died from a vaginal rupture. However, Kris was so thoroughly groomed by Dess that he contacted W.D. Gaster (his distant uncle) to revive her as The Roaring Knight. Now they will do anything to reunite. It's a very wholesome story if you think about it.
>>733737520>Noelle larps as her dead characterOnly way I could accept Noelle knight, frankly.
Toriel's large fluffy feet smothering my face
>>733736396This. No matter if Kris is a man or a woman, they were RAPED in the summer of 2025.
>>733737450>doomed yuriAnon, that doesn't mean what you think it does.
>>733737721>Not a women>Feminization is actually a fetish for meI wish more people were willing to write decent feminization content made for a male audience.
>>733729493tl;dr our kris is a copy, specifically the vessel
>>733738343toby possibly left this bug in so long after release (a month almost) to kill any and all clone kris theories
>>733706646...name?
>>733738343but kris is explicitly not the vesselthe opening makes this clear as day
>>733738620Original Kris (who is also the voice that cuts off Gaster) copied his mind over to the vessel, which makes our Kris a "copy"
postin a classic
>>733738859>Aunt pilled
>>733738620our name wasnt discarded (its why the goner rudinn calls our town it), our vessel choices just got btfo'd by kris (but still saved in the files)
>>733738850you're just making shit up now we have no idea who the second voice in the opening is, and i highly doubt it's kris based on what's said and kris' personality and kris 'copying his mind' over to the vessel does not make the original a copy now because there are two kris'and as your image states, we choose what the vessel is like, all the second entity does is 'discard' the vessel and apparently put (you) into kris
>>733739012if the thrash machine, which was clearly intended to mirror the vessel creation, can return for two more chapters after its introduction, then the vessel is 100% going to come back in one of the later chapters
>>733738527https://archiveofourownorg/works/77316251/chapters/202416136
>>733739145The interrupting voice resembles Chara's manner of speech in the Japanese version, and Kris is very clearly a parallel universe Chara. It's like 99% certain Kris speaking.
>>733736935It's a different time. We aren't in 2016 anymore. Levels of AUtism and cringe will never reach those days. Society changed.
>>733737384>Deltarune is simply too grand for that to be feasible.I was very much able to just get over the game after the survey program and wait those 7 years.It's when chapter 2 released that the wait got annoying.
>>733739145i dont believe in the schizo theory but kris would talk like the dreemurrs due to being raised by them, even moreso than chara
>>733737471Of course Waterfall was moodier than the other areas, but it boils down to the music, Undyne hunting you for real instead of bullshitting and some mildly spooky signs. It also has goofy enemies everywhere, mad dummy as the mid boss, Papyrus calling you at bad moment, and you spare Undyne by pouring water on her head.Don't act as if this is comparable to Tenna having a meltdown and then getting killed, or the whole of Chapter 4.
>>733737450>>733737667This, doomed yuri is actually supposed to be the type of tragic couple that can't happen because of tragedy, not a ship that will never happen. >>733738281That Kris is a girl (female) (biological) (real)
>>733738620I still believe the second voice that stole us away from our vessel is none other than Kris.
>>733739676>Don't act as if this is comparable to Tenna having a meltdown and then getting killedTenna's meltdown is mostly played for laugh until the end. >or the whole of Chapter 4.Honestly, the two are pretty similar since chapter 4 has plenty of goofier moments as well. Undyne's actual fight death is also MUCH more serious than most of the previous fights.
>>733737579Congratulations, anon. You are the first anon to solve Deltarune. Thanks to this feat you will get an exclusive look at Chapter 5, don't forget to check your inbox!
>>733739012remind me again. is it (vessel)town or (player)town?
>>733739870(Player)town
>>733738343I wonder how Kris haters and Vessel lovers would feel about this>>733739769This is also my theory after 2 and especially 3 and 4 killed any possibility it could be Chara>>733739428I should note ERAM also talks like that btw
>>73373574810/10 yes of the >MOTHERFUCKER I KNOW WHAT YOURE INTO comic
>>733739813>plenty of goofier momentsHow many outside of Jackenstein, the fire extinguisher, and a few gags mostly concentrated on the first sanctuary?Waterfall had nothing close to the whole drama with Susie and Ralsei (which was the main point of the chapter) UNLESS you consider the genocide route, but we're talking normal routes here.
>>733739991Isn't like 80% of chapter 4 the first sanctuary?
>>733739949>I should note ERAM also talks like that btwDidn't Japanese ERAM resemble Seam's way of speaking?
>>733738859He is the chosen one.
>>73374008350% at most if you go after all the things to do there.I don't remember how long the third was but it definitely felt long when I played it.
>>733739515Same. I was willing to forget and WAIT if Chapter 2 didn't release and drag me back into the pit of WAIT
>>733737450susie also blushes when asgore pushes noelle towards her
>>733740342How the hell does a dinosaur blush? Is this more evidence that Susie is actually part human?
>>733737471This is why I think Chapter 5 will also be much more lighthearted than Chapter 4 was.
>>733740476>How the hell does a dinosaur blush?The same way a skeleton (Papyrus) did back in Undertale.
>>733740538Notice that a skeleton is literally part of a human.
>>733740219it felt REALLY short for me.
>>733740535Chapter 5 is going to be like Hotland. Most of it will be really silly and goofy, only to end with a big reveal that makes everything way more dramatic.
>>733740761but that's what chapter 3 already was
>>733739870Playertown. Technically you can skip naming the Vessel if you don't start at Chapter 1
>>733740535ch4 was 50/50 on the normal route it's pretty lighthearted until closing the first fountain
>>733740838Eh... I guess? I kind of expect chapter 5 to be more like "Hotland + New Home and Asgore."
>>733740113I don't know? Here's all I can find about Seam, JP Eram and second voice. https://anomalocaridae.neocities.org/drtheory/japanesehttps://www.tumblr.com/duxarcana/789793468202549248/hi-im-sorry-if-this-has-already-been-asked-but?source=sharehttps://www.tumblr.com/duxarcana/801524832852426752/hi-can-i-ask-about-a-common-piece-of-localization?source=share
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>>733740896If the "reverse Undertale" theory is correct and if we take all the foreshadowing at face value, Chapter 5 will be a pleasant flower wonderland and the plot will be just the party having fun there, which would be very hard to not be jarring after everything that happened.The truth is that the game went to great lengths to wreck any perceived patterns from before and at least half of the foreshadowing has been misleading or fulfilled in contrived ways.Chapter 5 can be absolutely anything at this point. Nothing can be predicted unless by sheer luck from the typewriter monkeys.
Why is he like this?
>>733741557Deer cooties scary.
>>733740761I believe this, too, especially since Chapter 5 will parallel Snowdin which is pretty lighthearted, except for the beginning before meeting Sans.
>>733741525>The truth is that the game went to great lengths to wreck any perceived patterns from beforeNo. Sorry.
>>733741557He always thought she's annoying and only interacted with her because Dess is her sister.
>>733741781Noelle typed this
>>733741525>Chapter 5 will be a pleasant flower wonderland and the plot will be just the party having fun there,It will probably be this until the big climatic moment that leads to the garden being burned by Asgore/Ralsei. Either that or the Roaring happening and everything going to shit. Some things can be reasonably predicted as long as you keep your expectations in check
>>733734220the artist of this piece is a very staunch Carol Knighter yes
>>733741749>dark world is completely centered on a single central theme>the ruler of this world has some dastardly plan around creating more darkness>said ruler is some blue freak with a single pitch black eye thing>you explore 3 main areas, the last one is the ruler's lair whose song's name is an alliteration >along the way you have various encounters with the NPCs>some lightner Kris knows also came in and will have character development by the end of the adventure>The secret boss is a short insane guy, babbling about freedom and darkness, with connections to Gaster>reaching said secret boss involves talking to a shopkeeper and getting the key to the basement of the ruler's lair>defeating the secret boss gives you a weapon or armor depending on how you defeat it>the secret boss also gives hints for things in the next chapter
>>733741889>It will probably be this until the big climatic momentaka chapter 3>Some things can be reasonably predicted as long as you keep your expectations in checkI predicted jokes about television. Was that unreasonable?
the fuck is her problem
>>733742404Ralsei begged her for her help rather pathetically while you were gathering up the darkners from the card kingdom.
>>733736935>she/they
>>733742404Let her be, she's just a fujo.
>>733742345If you feel that chapter 3 didn't contain jokes about television, then yes, your expectations (about what constitutes such) were unreasonable.
>>733742223Makes sense. Could tell because the Knight had a blue aura around her. Not the usual Dess Knight that you see around.
>>733742259>cosmetic stuff not relevant to the overall direction of the gameplay or plot was broken!lol?>b-but what about Noelle, we were supposed to get new Lightners every chapter, where is my firegrave???Noelle is a main character. Toriel is a side character. I am very, very sorry that you were incapable of noticing this from chapter 1 like me and everyone else who laughed their asses off at all the predictions about Toriel joining us for chapter 3.
>>733742345There were some jokes about TV. Mainly Tenna's physical challenges and TV World being a red carpet. But certain less than Hotland and what I expected. Didn't expect vidya as the main theme.
>>733741889You can't spam word ending scenarios every chapter unless you want it to lose all impact. The characters need a bit of a break, something to boost morale a bit. Ch6&7 are likely to be a shitshow, you can't just keep kicking the characters down 4 chapters in a row.Not to say it's going to be all sunshine and rainbows but do think it will be more lighthearted.
>>733742513Almost every single thing about Chapter 2 was a reference to digital technology and culture. That's one thing I think it exceeded chapter 1 in fact.>Queen is one big joke about data collection and social media algorithms>Every single enemy is a reference to the theme>Berdly is an epic gamer dude typeAnd I could go on about it.The only things that don't really follow the theme are the teacup rides, the rollercoasters and Queen not obviously having much reason to be one. I brushed off those as just shit that happened to be on the computer lab and Queen as an attempt to keep a theme after King and maybe a reference to the motherboard.Meanwhile, the Mettaton segments had more jokes and references about TV than TV World, and we don't even actually explore the house despite multiple hints they are also part of the world (mainly the bathroom).
>>733741525I think it's reasonable to predict certain things just through the fact that the game is over halfway done and we all know basic story structure. Things like the Knight's identity being revealed, for instance, are likely to happen just because if it happened in ch6 or 7 the characters wouldn't have enough time to emotionally process it.And we know that the tone of the game has already permanently shifted- I'm not denying that there will be comedy but keep in mind that Susie is going into this chapter knowing that her (or someone else, I don't know) is going to fucking die by the end of the week
>>733742668>cosmetic stuff not relevantBecause the character design alone totally isn't half of the reason these games got popular in the first place.>Toriel is a side character.Berdly.>you were incapable of noticing this from chapter 1I was the one repeating here all the time "guys, only Kris, Susie and Noelle are 'very very special' according to Gaster, I don't think he will make more party members and add all unique item reactions to each".>where is my firegraveI despised the firegrave theory for being the ultimate example of the lack of creativity people had. I'm also glad the game just let it go away silently instead of dedicating an entire segment to mock its own fans for daring to think that.
>>733742904It's very clear the cliffhanger for 5 will be massive. I don't think we are having another Titan but something major will happen at the end. The rest will probably be flower goofy shenanigans until you fight them as the final boss.
>>733743069>Queen is one big joke about data collection and social media algorithmsYet she has an actual purpose in the broader story too. King wanted to spread darkness out of antagonism to Lightners. Queen breaks whatever pattern you could make out of that because she wants to spread darkness in the name of serving more Lightners. The problem is no longer that that Darkners given thought have the potential to rebel, but the fact that they cause problems when they have room to think in the first place instead of just serving. It'd be pretty awful to take that away from them now that they have it, too. This is much more interesting than bad guys who want to spread darkness because they live in it and hate light.Tenna is in the exact same boat as Queen. He isn't a pure joke about the topic he's centered on, he's another window into the problems caused by objects developing feelings, this time more personal to Kris and the Dreemurr family situation rather than focused on Lightners in general. Because Kris's perception of TV is mostly absorbed vicariously from things other people put on, the content of the shows is secondary to the connections they strengthen and the people they remind him of.I'm sorry that they couldn't fit in more references to showbusiness, but it just wouldn't be at all relevant to the overall story.
>>733742803>Didn't expect vidya as the main theme.It fucks with me because the only hint for the minigame I remember was the Lancer sprite from the sweepstakes. The main hint for the theme was Kris and Susie flipping through channels and chatting about what movie to watch, among other things.But oh well, Toby teased Chapter 2 with Ambyu-lance and Virovirokun, leading some people to expect the hospital back then. I guess I'm the retard for expecting the foreshadowing to be straightforward like Undertale.
>>733742803we know kris has good memories with vidya due to some snippets we learn about asriel and with queen's game in ch2seems natural that his fondest memories with the tv are of games
>>733743528>something major will happen at the endMy money is still on Noelle crashing the fuck out. Girl has every reason to lash out at pretty much everyone around her.
>>733740113Seam speaks in a way that emphasizes their age. >>733741039 Points out that they use "atashi" which today is used informally/conversationally by young women (Susie uses it when she's caught off guard and drops her aggressive/masculine persona, for example) which has led to speculation/perception of Seam as a girl or old woman, but "atashi" was also historically (in pre-modern Japan) used by men of the merchant class.>>733741039This is an interesting resource. The way Toby is using different levels of writing complexity depending on the context and characters is very interesting and doesn't really translate back into English (outside of the Game in Chapter 3).I knew about Undertale using simplified language typical of games for kids but I didn't realize this carried over into the Light World in Deltarune, as part of Toby's effort to make the LIght World resemble Undertale as much as possible. And the Light World being idyllic and game-like while the Dark World uses more normal/mature/realistic diction is a really interesting and ironic layer to everything, I would love to see actual Japanese fans talking about stuff like this.
>>733743401The character design is a big part of why the games got popular, yeah. That's why I don't care that we didn't get more blue guys with void eyes, because we still got Toby Fox character designs. I do not care that we got like 5 fewer than in chapter 2 or whatever.>BerdlyCan join the party for one room, and doesn't enter combat.>I knew they weren't going to add Toriel to the party, I mocked firegrave too, I just expected her to be a major presence throughout the chapter anywayAnd I did not. Toriel learning about the fuck squad, dark worlds, and etcetera this early wasn't conductive to any angle I could think of on the overall story, so I discarded it.
>>733743643>she wants to spread darkness in the name of serving more LightnersSaid "serving" had her being the one in charge, he plainly tells you in the beginning she wants to dominate the world. Not the same as King but still villainous.>the content of the shows is secondary to the connections they strengthen and the people they remind him ofTell me what an entire gag about the Task Manager window built over a whole chapter had to do with that, and why couldn't TV World do the same. Unless you think Kris was addicted to catgirl femdom porn in particular.>I'm sorry that they couldn't fit in more references to showbusinessYou could have cut shorter the minigame and added some segments Tenna makes the party go through a movie/show set and the story would be the same. Susie would eventually get bored, same thing.It was just some "meta commentary" on video gaming, the kind that Undertale managed to do in a much more concise way. Even his team and playtesters thought it went on for too long, and he cut down for that reason.
The second voice in the intro was the same person talking to us in the "Smile" ARG by the way and it's Dess
>>733742404She's a smelly fujo that shares her fanfiction with everyone and that's why she didnt have friends
>>733742480Look it's ralsei's kid you can't expect it to not be a little, you know, quirky
>>733743853I think the Roaring will happen and everyone will go into the shelter/underground of hometown at the end up mirror Frisk leaving the ruins. Maybe Noelle will fulfill her angel role and do that.
>>733743528I don't think there will be any big happenings at the end, I'd say it's going to have a more somber tone. However, there are likely to be some big reveals at the end to set up tension for ch6. I mean there's probably a reason why Toby wanted to release 3/4/5 together.
>>733742480Magical spell to keep troons away
>>733744489>Kris with the Holidaysfake and gay, he should be picturedd with Toriel (smashed) and Sans (smug)
>>733744119>That's why I don't care that we didn't get more blue guys with void eyesI like Chapter 3's designs even if it lacked enemies a lotThat item was in reference to the complete absence of a "John Bishop" in the game or anything of that matter. Chapter 4 also lacked more non-generic NPCs.>Can join the party for one roomHe is a central character to the plot for 2 thirds of the chapter.>and doesn't enter combat.He is an enemy in 3 different battles and participates in the Giga Queen one.>Toriel learning about the fuck squad, dark worlds, and etceteraJust tell her it's a dream.>wasn't conductive to any angle I could think of on the overall storyThe angle is "humor" and "undertale fanservice" and "Kris's backstory", which are all things that happened before and after.
>>733744280i'm on the fence of second voice being desson one hand, it doesn't contradict anything on the other, how could it be her?
>>733744280>Dess talks just like CharaIs Dess really just deer Chara? Is Dess and Kris both Chara?
>>733744741Dess is way more of a try hard than Chara who is actually genuinly just that mentally ill.
>>733744526I don't know. I just feel like something big will happen at the end of 5. I can't see a milquetoast ending like 4.
>>733744741there's a heavy implication that kris outright emulates dess when trying to act 'cool', and kris is more or less the 'chara' in deltarune's universe i think she's pretty different personality wise, nothing about chara ever implied she'd be a weed smoking innawoods prepper type
>>733744741>Is Dess really just deer Chara?I used to say "human Dess breaks alarm clock lore" but at this point it might as well just be broken.
>>733744882You thought the Titan and the final prophecy was milquetoast? Or you're talking about the Ol' Jitterbug?
>>733744262>Said "serving" had her being the one in charge... by virtue of giving everyone everything they want indefinitely. She wants to put herself in charge because she views making decisions as the cause of Lightners' pain, not because she wants to rule. She sees her role as one to prevent Lightners from having to make those painful decisions in the first place. Yeah, spreading darkness is bad, but we don't even learn why aside from that it might enable someone to stop the heroes until after all of chapter 2.>Tell me what an entire gag about the Task Manager window built over a whole chapter had to do with that,What? Tasque Manager and the Tasques were mostly just a computer gag as far as I can tell.>why couldn't TV World do the sameIt has plenty of gags that get built up for the whole chapter. None of them are as simple as "oh, that's a further elaboration on that earlier reference to [chapter theme]" but that doesn't seem like much of a complaint.>You could have cut shorter the minigame and added some segments Tenna makes the party go through a movie/show setThe minigames are the party being shoved through the sets of shows... you want more of that, and also less, because what you actually want and somehow think would be radically better is getting to stop and look around each set before the minigame or something.
>>733744796I actually think Dess will be nothing like Chara and she was just a normal 2cool4school teen who fucked up.
>>733744981>you want more of that, and also lessI wanted the party to be shoved in a gangster movie set, which would be simply a walkable section of overworld with Shadowguys everywhere and some puzzles in the way.
>>733745035I think Dess was lesbian for Bratty the whole time>alligators in bikinis>how to draw dragons
>>733744882Milquetoast? Brother, they literally survived a titan by Susie going full kamikaze and killing in from the inside with Kris.
>>733744882Don't get me wrong, I think the Titan was lame from the creativity side, but as a plain story development it was a very bombastic turning point.
>>733744882According to Gerson's tale, 5 ends with either the Roaring or something equally big "ending" the conventional story.
>>733744684>the complete absence of a "John Bishop"Didn't deprive us of Toby Fox character design that we were somehow destined to get.>The angle is "humor" and "undertale fanservice" and "Kris's backstory"And also crashing the story into something completely different and incoherent in the name of all that stuff.
>>733745175I think this is an absurdly specific expectation that Toby never once actually set up and didn't betray anyone by failing to include.>Spamton saidBerdly is a chicken.
>>733744972>>733745260I am talking about the jitterbug and the phone call. I consider the Titan the final boss like King, Giga Queen and Knight, but not part of the actual ending of the chapter.
>>733746126>1stthis was an example>2ndthe shadowguys were one of the most spoiled things from chapter 3, and alongside them you had the sneaking song being one of the most stand-out spoiled song alongside green room.There was also this one song (with two variants) from his bluesky shitposts that never showed up in the game (but the halloween one did).https://www.youtube.com/shorts/afx-S9q9cjw
>>733746126>Berdly is a chicken.yeah
>>733744796That's true. Dess is a fake poser baka chud
>>733744721The "Dess is hanging out in the abyss with Gaster" artists were right>but Dess is The KnightYes.
>>733746993Dess's SOVL is hanging out with Gaster, her body is the Knight.
>>733747057No.
>>733746993would canon dess actually have a goofy af red nose? I could see toby doing it
>>733747104Yes. Dess's body has Kris’s soul and they are communicating with each other here.
>>733747114It would be really funny but probably not
>>733747186>Dess's body has Kris’s soul
>>733747238Chara would support my theory because she gave her SOUL to Asriel like Kris did to Dess btw
>>733742404i cant believe somehow alphys is the hetshipper while susie is the fujomaxxer
>>733747302>Kris failed to kill himself despite not having his culmination of his being for years, somehow didn't eat shit and dieAlso the knight probably had to exist around the time of dess disappearance since asgore managing to beat the knight for a black shard to "prove that dark worlds are real" is a bit stupid
>>733740342Not the same as with Kris
>>733744741no shes human chara
>>733747490Asgore seems to imply the black shard is recent because only now he got enough evidence to prove he wasn't crazy. I doubt the Knight existed for years but only now it started opening fountains for no reason.
>>733747540I wish canon human females were possible desu. But it isn't.
>>733734256>proof that its a statue: uhhhh Ralsei said so
>>733747836i will question toby's writing ability if nothing comes of this how do you accidentally create a third candidate in a two people mystery?
Noelle's hooves
we going to see our wife Susie in June
>>733748308the actual mystery is why he keeps showing the prince of dark as cloaked if he is so obviously ralsei
>>733748308It's either Susie or Noelle holding Kris from behind while he is holding the sword. It was never a single silhouette
>>733748485no idea we also know that it's definitively ralsei as well thanks to concept art
>>733748308it's a pippin
>>733748558I've been suspicious of this shit since 2018
>>733748308I think it's just Toby's vagueness and fandom schizophrenia. Toby is vague and about Kris's gender so people connect both even if they are unrelated.
>>733748517>>733748308It might be Susie resting her chin on Kris who is wielding a sword
>>733748667i get that, but it is weird how kris seems to still fit into the second hero slot despite apparently being the first the princess ribbon is still strange to mewhy does it call out kris having dainty hands? why princess specifically an not something gender neutral like monarch or alliterative like royal? the meaning is still the same, so why princess specifically?
>>733748340Dess loses.
>>733748905Yeah, maybe Toby felt Kris was too masculine so he added more feminine qualities to them. I think Toby just likes keeping up his mysteries and continuously adding fuel to the fire that is fan speculation
>>733667147if asgore doesnt get his redemption or at least some featureless doll crotch in chapter 5 i can finally drop deltarune and kill myself
>>733749279Same but if suselle get confirmed at the festival as the only option
>>733748308>propecy has figure whos only definitive trait is that they're female>"no no they're OBVIOUSLY this character who has never been referred to as a girl once and fits a different prophecy figures role and not... the two actual major female characters"are you retarded
>>733749279>>733749335same but if chapter 5 denies me a funny schizo for the third time in a row
>>733747479Alphys was always a yurifag. She never struck me as a fujo
AAAAAA I'M SO TIRED OF WAITING BROS, SOMEHOW THIS WAIT FEELS WORSE THAN CH2DOE EAR SEX
>>733749476>fits the silhouette >uses the required items (swords, ribbons)>LOVE/ love has made it's way to her by way of (you) or susie>'hope crossed on her heart' can either mean she's hopeful, or has forsaken it the only thing kris lacks is definitive proof of being a girl, and there is some evidence in favour of that blame toby for having kris fit into it better than susie does
>>733749648But 3 and 4 both had funny schizos
>>733749664the WAIT feels worse because we've had a rough release estimate since the last chapter, where after ch2 it was pretty nebulous
>>733749736it will be so funny if they really were the heroes as ralsei told
>>733749664im gonna rub her belly fur the wrong way
>>733749826>PicWhat would prompt Gaster to finally whack the green Pippins for noticing too much? Wrong answers only.
>>733749752>3 whoramb was a little mad but not funny>and 4gerson is funny but not schizobattat was in the castle town cuck chair, he doesn't count
>>733749880he mashes a keyboard and accidentally writes "gaster"
>>733748308FemKris fag, you have never properly explain why isn't Kris called a she/her by their mother, Noelle, Susie, friends, or acquaintainces
>>733748308>I will question Toby's writing because I can't fucking read and know that Kris isn't a girlRetard-kun?
>>733749987simple answer? all humans go by they/ them in toby's games regardless of actual sexfunny answer? the human book toriel read referred to humans with they/ them and it stuck because toriel was the authority on kris
>>733750189real answer? his we baby bears voice cameo
>>733748485Ralsei consistently being depicted hiding his face and using fire magic and consistently refusing to do that is his subtle way of resisting The Prophecy
alright my schizo theorythe light world is a simulationall their backstory is also a fabrication to some extenti'm not saying this out of contrarianism, this is in the story of mother 3how exactly it happened and why gaster made it i don't know, but i can feel itthe goner maker takes you to the light world, not the dark world
>>733750189Why would you choose to have all your humans be referred to with gender neutral pronouns and have one of them be intentionally put in the explicitly gendered role
Deltarune is actually a quirky earthbound-inspired RPG that actually about depression. However, the true meat of the game is in the large amounts of rape fanfic you can write. Noelle raped by Kris, Kris raped by Dess, Noelle raped by Kris and Dess; The fun never ends.
>>733750793for ut is was likely for self inserting purposes in deltarune it could get people to think it was like ut again, when in actuality it could be to keep the mystery a secret until the reveal
>>733697913relegated to side-side character role instead of side-main character rolealso doesn't have a bunch of shambling zombies in her basement as far as we know
>>733750915You cannot "keep the mystery" by making all of your characters incorrectly refer to another character's pronouns for no reason other than to keep the mystery because it holds no internal logic
>>733750987>shambling zombiesShe'll be revealed as a Jeffery Dahmer-esque serial killer with dozens of lobotomized fish in her basement.
>>733710180i'll be real with you i'm like 90% sure blooky's the only ghost we're gonna actually see, possessing a dummy/doll or not
>>733749736>the only think kris lacks to be the girl is not being the girlamazing
>>733751190you're probably right
Kris can't be the girl because HIS (say it with me; HIS) Big Human Cock is delicately crafted by W.D. Gaster for the pleasure of Susie "Purple People-Eater" Gaster. Kris Dreemur is a Chadlite Human MALE and he will end the game by splitting Susie in half with HIS BHC.
Kris is a Mike
>>733749659If anything, Alphys seems like a self-shipper.
was sans (toby) really planning to bullshit us with papyrus this hard since 2018?
Kris is a corpse
>>733751195
>>733737450i mean to be fair noelle isn't blushing there either and she'd be way more likely to blush from that than susie
anal sex with ralseihe takes it while i make fun of his tiny dick
>>733751909but who's the cookie
>>733752034Me
>>733751925This except his big cock frots between our tummies while we kiss
>>733751925>>733752219Why is this thread suddenly unusually based?
start playin the baby is you cause im in kris's vagina
>>733744741>dess is narrative ghost chara>kris is physical chara>noelle is The Demon That Comes When People Call Its Name chara>(You) are charaARE THERE ANY OTHER CHARAS I SHOULD KNOW ABOUT?
>>733752219this except he is begging me to stop raping him and i'm punching his face
>>733751573Fuck noIts obvious he changed his mind on the skelebros after Ch. 1
>>733752387Noelle is for rape and abuse. Ralsei is for loving sex and gentle love. Susie is for raping and abusing Noelle.
>>733752387Please be kind.
