>almost 30 years old>two sequels and countless clones>no one able to or wants to actually replicate it properlywhy is this? this really shouldn't be that hard... the latest turd i've seen from "the creators of d2" is some sort of minecraft/fortnite like abominationinb4 crap like poe, that shit is nothing like d2
>>733671815>>>/vr/
>>733671815There've been a fuckload of games attempting to be another Diablo 2. Unfortunately, failures like you take one look at them before deciding a game over 2 decades old was better and replaying it.
>>733672127well, the failures would be all the clones since they are just worse than a game over 2 decades old
>>733671815If a game requires grinding and farming then I think a lot of people will usually just stick with one. And D2 was probably the first one for a lot of people. Grinding and farming in multiple games will leave you with less progress overall compared to just doing it in one. If someone makes a game like D2 without so much grinding and farming it might be a little more successful. There are a decent number of mods for D2 to increase drop rates/XP and seemingly a number of people saying they want something like D2 without the repetitive grinding. But loot just became such a big focus and everyone tries to copy it because it does get some people to play longer.
>>733672956you could probably improve on a lot of things in d2the recent update for example is pretty well received, i'm not a fan of locking qol improvements behind a paywall though, especially when said improvements don't even go far enough
>>733671815You cannot simply "replicate" Diablo 2, is this not common knowledge?
>>733671815>1999 Everquest is still alive and kicking in2026>The 32nd expansion released December 2, 2025 (each expansion is the size of a wow expansion if not bigger)>Everquest is the reason why we had the majority of the MMOs we've had>no one able to or wants to actually replicate it properly
>>733674093Wew, that is some horrible artwork. Seems to be more like modern WoW than any sort of sword & sorcery.
>>733671815PoE is a D2 clone
>>733674454It was from closed beta until ~2017. Nowadays it's a mess. Also being a live service game brings it down a lot
>>733671815Creating a faithful Diablo 2 clone requires not shaving off all of the rough edges of late 90s game design that make people like it, such as several characters being utter dogshit, or having garbage abilities that the game totally lets you just dump 20 points into and softlock yourself against duriel being a brick wall of difficulty. Any modern game will fully "balance" out all 3 classes and polish any bad feeling mechanics out until the game is a boring unremarkable pile of slop that matches everything else, and everyone will drop it.
>>733671815outdated uncslop genre unironically. isaac outdid it in EVERYTHING and is simply a superior subgenre where skill actually matters and it's not just spamming LMB
>>733671815Because none of them understand what it is that makes people like D2. They all think it's about the gameplay loop. But it's not.Here's what it is: >Fully rendered cinematics >Good story>Characters that you can talk to but don't railroad you into unskippable narratives and cut scenes>Few loading screens >Immersive art style and atmosphere >Mostly skippable quests and story >Logical item categorisation
All the attempted successors listen to "muh endgame" retards and make shit games because of it. D2 is a game where the fun starts at level 1, you have a good time enjoying the adventure and clearing through normal, nightmare and hell, kill hell Baal and then you're done. Catering to "muh endgame" retards gets you a shitty autistic grinding simulator instead of an actual adventure.
>>733671815>inb4 crap like poe, that shit is nothing like d2as a layman, explain this to me.I have D2R and I'm going to give it a go once I get bored with my current POE2 run.I seem to revolve through the following games up to the end game(ish) before getting bored and moving on to then next. Different points for each game but I'm HOOKED up until a point it just 'unclicks' and I'm bored and move on.>Grim Dawn>POE1>Last Epoch>POE2>Diablo 4>Fucking with No Rest For the Wicked (if that counts)Am I not autistic enough or is D2:R just what the doctor ordered?
>>733677830Its all WoWtards who are poisoned by modern blizzards content treadmill and can't conceive of playing a game to enjoy leveling your character from start to finish.
i don't even like diablo, and most of the fans nowadays are grumpy millennials with rose tinted eyeglasses. But we can at the competition and see for ourselves, of the ones I've played:>PoE 1The most popular successor by reasonable metrics. They went turbo with complexity autism, let it get away from them, and now the game is a convoluted mess that no one could untangle, neither the devs nor the players. Still, I'd argue maybe 5-7 years ago the game was better than diablo with all things considered.>Grim DawnDoes a lot of things right, and probably the most faithful successor. But it's so heavily inspired by diablo that it's hard to think it better. The story's kinda weird too. Still, this one probably holds up the best nowadays, heard they got a new expansion too.>Last EpochWas promising for the first 10 hours or so, and managed to get some things right that none of the other games did. Wow, crafting actually doesn't suck! Sadly the devs are slow, the endgame is boring, and the story jumps to levels of retarded that is unacceptable even for this braindead genre.>Torchlight 2Fun for what it was but not really on the same caliber as all these others.>PoE 2respect the devs for ignoring autistic reddit zoomer fans and making ruthless mode into its own game, though i'm not sure it brings enough to the table because it's not that fun to play.>D3/D4lol, lmao eventhe verdict overall is that it doesn't fucking matter because this game genre is completely braindead, click click get orange loot, and you should feel ashamed for playing it. Better to pick games with muh story to pretend like they're deep and have a superiority complex with
>>733677206none of the characters are dogshit, they are all viable, there are just some better than others, one of the biggest problems is probably how important/good teleport is so a lot of people just play sorcand duriel really isn't that big of a deal, unless you are new and don't know what you are doing of course
>>733677719it is the gameplay loop. modern games fucking suck at making RPGs rewarding. The story (which isn't even amazing in the first place) isn't interesting after one playthrough
>>733678738>it is the gameplay looplol other arpgs have the exact same gameplay loop but they're boring as fuck. You don't even understand why you like something.
>>733678674a modern game dev would give every single character teleport, make druid do 4 billion damage with his spells/summons just like sorc and nerf hammerdin. The things that make Diablo 2 memorable and iconic are the same jank that people want to remove.
>>733678945maybe gameplay loop wasn't the right word. they just aren't as rewarding to play as diablo 2. The story and lore or whatever gets old after a bit. people definitely wouldn't still play diablo 2 if the reward structure sucked dongthe progression and upgrading your items is just flat out better in diablo 2 compared to most of those other games. It's the same reason poe was so successful
>>733671815Because they have no idea what made D2 good, instead they try and replicate the thing that 0.1% of the playerbase did.
>>733671815> literally just mouse button spam> ACTIONno>literally just selling useless trash>ROLE PLAYING GAMEalso no.more like click n click
>>733679086that's what they did for the sequels, everyone got some kind of teleport and now they are bringing that philosophy to d2r with the lock who also has a kind of teleport
>>733671815>why is this? this really shouldn't be that hardIt really is that hard. D2 had stars aligning on so many levels.
>>733674093don't pretend even for a second that modern eq is a good game
>>733676435>Also being a live service game brings it down a lotturns out adding new bloat and power creep to a game every 3 months isn't really a good thing in the long run
>>733671884No, keep this garbage here please
It was lightning in a bottle kind of like Chrono Trigger. Every attempt to officially or "spiritually" follow up with that one has been nothing but OOFs as well. They can't even port the fuckers correctly.
The charm can’t be replicated in a world where games are digested a hell of a lot different. Sure min max Hammerdins running laps was nothing new but there was something that could be said when things felt a bit smaller and intimate in a way of chugging along up the ladders, you’re committed in on a arguable B- build because you want to test yourself and people can think oh shit it’s that one guy doing this thing , and you sorta laugh about it on forums and so on. Now everybody is a fucking mutant who simultaneously shits themselves and writes a tweet and outrage video how losing previous 0.01 seconds is the most miserable thing ever. People genuinely are just too fucked in the head to have fun with these kinds of games. Same story with WoW , old wow pre over analysis retardation was innocent and not nearly as much of a chore to sit with
