Why do people hate Doom 2 so much in comparison to Doom 1?
not sure hate is the right word, people just acknowledge that the level design is a step back and usually agree that the new enemies and SSG are good additions
traversing those levels suck dick that's why, way too big and confusing, even the doom 1 e4 levels are tolerable and more fun
Maps are not as good. The new roster can't save them because it's not utilized well enough.Mu personal gripe is SSG is way too good and most of the user wads overuse it way too fucking much and I'm tired of it being the only workhorse in every first wad.
Any good WADs to come out recently?
>>733673913Sandy Peterson maps.
>>733674393This, just awful.
>>733674293Redundancy 2
Crazy how they made the craziest tech in gaming and didn't give a shit about the campaign besides doom e1
worse soundtrack & worse maps
>>733673913They don't, unless you're specifically talking about the city maps which were mostly ass. Otherwise everyone loves Doom 2
city levels make me want to ssg myself
SSG
>>733674393>>733674579tbf they dumped almost everything on him. also his quake maps were better. i'm kind of a simp for the fat mormon boomer ngl. i wish i was a mormon
>>733673913You already know the answer. It's the level design. It's not terrible, but overall it's worse than Doom 1.
>>733675389>also his quake maps were betterBut that said, Episode 4 was the worst episode.
>>733673913Ultimate Doom maps are just that good, especially episode 2's. Doom 2's maps feel pretty sloppy in comparison. Sandy has a really bad habit of just slapping down a square of enemies and calling it a day.
>>733673913Sure it has new stuff but it's not as good as the Doom 1 maps.
>>733675484>especially episode 2's>the worst episodeDefinitive ranking is 1>4>3>2. Can't be argued.
>>733675696I didn't give you permission to talk to me.
I really need some new weapon and/or enemy mods, but so much of what I find takes things too far. I don't want slides, motion blur, excessive screen shake, or so many particles I can't see what I'm shooting at. Someone give me some recommendations
>>733675813>episode 2 apologist thinks he's mentally capable enough to give consentfuck you, homo. E4M2 still makes you shit your pants?
>>733673913People don't hate Doom 2.It introduced very welcome additions to the monster roster and also added the legendary super shotgun.What people don't like about it is the rushed maps Sandy Peterson had to make. The engine also wasn't very good at making city themed levels and it wasn't until Duke 3D came out that we actually had levels that looked like a semi real city.Funnily enough, I think the low quality maps of Doom 2 set the gears in motion for the "I can do better" type of people in the community and that's one of the reasons why we have a mind boggling amount of WADs to try out and play to this day.
>>733676150Actual melty.
>>733673913I played Doom 2 first. There are some iconic levels like Entryway, Underhalls, Tricks & Traps, Dead Simple, Circle of Death, Icon of Sin but there's also no cohesion between the levels and some of them like The Pit are just fucking ass.Doom 1 very clearly mapped out where you where, why you were there and what you were doing.thereTo Doom 2's credit, it introduced badass new enemies, the SSG is about as iconic as the BFG, but on the whole it's a worse gameI'm still assmad Warner Bros didn't call Dune Part 2 "Dune II".
>>733676181>t. Petersen
>>733675389>also his quake maps were betterI'm going to have to go with >>733675468Like yeah, I guess I'd rather smell a fart than have someone shit in my mouth, but what's the point of the distinction unless you're German
>>733676173There was already a total conversion for Doom when Doom 2 released. I wouldn't be surprised if that attitude helped, but some people were already going nuts with the enginehttps://doomwiki.org/wiki/Aliens_TC
>>733673913they are retarded, simple as.
>>733676173>The engine also wasn't very good at making city themed levelsthey could make perfectly good city levels with the engine if they actually tried
>>733674393he made more doom 1 levels than doom 2 levels
they hate fun gimmick maps and love boring techbases
>>733675389>also his quake maps were betterHe's the one that filled a later level with spawns.
>>733675484>especially episode 2's.Fucking what?
why is the doom community so filled with spastics
Not enough john romero
>>733673913I don't. A lot of the levels are really lazy but the additions to the enemy roster make it a much more interesting game than Doom 1.And now that it has infinity wads, it's clearly not even worth considering Doom 1 anymore.
>>733673913Thats just a false narrative
>>733674056The super shotgun is shit. It's horribly imbalanced while the new enemies are terrible.
>>733674056>People just acknowledge that the level design is a step backI'm convinced anybody that claimed that just played Knee Deep in the dead.
>>733675696nah E2 > E3the only good map in E3 is DiS and that's just for the rabbit cutscene
>>733680792They told him he had to use the new monster in every level
>>733685121That doesn't mean the annoying suicide bombers needed to be hiding in every corner.
>>733673913The maps are too big and are designed like doo doo Super Shotgun is the only good thing in the game
Hows project warlock 2? I never finished 1 cause i ran out of lives and i think having limited lives in this kind of game is kinda gay
>>733684958It correctly uses up a fuckload of shells. The basic shotgun can be more efficient at the same job. Maybe someone could get through Doom 2 with a ton of ammo, but that was meant to be scarce.
Doom 64 is the best one btw
>>733673913Nobody really hates Doom II it just has more rough areas than the first game had. Most of the later levels just fucking suck to traverse.
>>733675893wrong board, ask /vr/
>>733675893tarkov vendetta(lite vanilla version), project malice. I like it with mk-crits and darkdoom.
>>733673913>that one city level with project brutality on nightmarepeak gaming.
