>>733682894
Mickey Mouse
Sonic's been extremely mediocre since Unleashed and SEGA feels no desire to change the status quo

>>733682894
Sonic is nowhere near rock bottom at all. He has a successful movie trilogy and Shadow Generations sold well.
Thomas was never a high level pop culture icon in the first place

>>733682894
Isn't Mickey public domain now?

>>733682894
The Simpsons have been in the gutter for years now.
Only the mentally disabled care about Thomas.
Sonic is in a much better place recently than a few years ago.
Is Mickey anything but a merch genre?
Why is Sonic the only video game thing? Why didn't you put a Pikachu in this?

>>733682894
>thomas and sonic
QRD?

>>733683586
There are more examples I wanted to include, Pokemon was 100% one of them.

>>733682894
There's no way in hell Thomas the tank engine will have any renewed cultural importance or impact

>>733683751
Hell he never had any impact or relevance ever

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>>733682894
>who fell to rock bottom in the last couple of years
>sonic
Ooh, looks like someone was born in the 2010s

>>733683002
spwp

>>733682894
Why are people still talking about Sonic like its 2015.

Sonic has made a resurgence already and is popular again. I see tons of kids with sonic merch like tee shirts and backpacks and he's getting a 4th fucking hollywood movie in half a decade. Sonic well and truly turned it around (Game's quality improving still stands to be seen thoughbeit)

>>733683704
But why didn't you?

>>733683672
I can give you the Thomas one.
The show ended some years ago and was replaced with a 2D show aimed at pre-schoolers that of course alienated adult fans, but even their target audience wasn't interested.
And so, they are reviving the original show.

>>733683812
>never had any impact or relevance
>pretty much everyone recognizes him
erm

>>733683586
This is a transplanted /co/ thread

>>733683896
It’s managed more or less the same way as it was in the 2010’s, just under new ownership. The Americanization of the franchise has arguably, only gotten worse.

>>733683937
90% of that is because he became a Shrek-like meme. I can't count how many times I heard the Smoke Weed everyday Thomas remix.

>>733683896
This. I see more kids with Sonic shirts and plushies than I do Pokemon at my retail job.

>>733683937
I doubt the average person will know who he is. Mickey Mouse, Homer, and Sonic are way more iconic.

>>733683913
Wanted to have the picture viewable on thumbnail view and 4chan has some anal limit on how big a picture upload can be last couple times I tried to do big charts explaining my points or offering multiple choices.

>>733683386
Only the version depicted in these cartoons made before 1930: https://www.youtube.com/@DisneyPublicDomain/videos
use the modern design or anything else and you'll get raped by disney lawyers.

..unless it's fair use satire like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mMSBhRPQyY

>>733684021
Yeah. They can recognize the character, and the theme song, but nothing beyond that.
Shit, it's happening again right now, but with the HiT-era theme instead of the original.

>>733683998
>All these female empowerment characters getting pushed.
>Amy getting reduced to generic "I fight for my friends" character, in order to avoid supposed "problematic" portrayals of female characters
>Growing audience of lesbian shippers
I don't want to Sonic to become Steven Universe. Someone make Ian stop. Keep the comics in the comics, and the games the games. Don't allow this man further power over the games.

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>>733684448
Surely people recognize Sir Topham Hatt even if they don't know his name.

>>733682894
The last I've seen from Mickey was this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wonderful_World_of_Mickey_Mouse
and the series it's a sequel for. I only watched a little bit but it was good. Why did he fall into rock bottom?

>>733684584
Maybe so, but nowhere near the same extent.

>>733683586
>The Simpsons have been in the gutter for years now.
try decades, Simpsons haven't been good in this millennium

>>733684759
Mickey never recovered after Clubhouse cemented him as a "soulless and corporate" sanitized mascot, along with Disney abandoning him and 2D animation as a whole in favor of Marvel slop.

>>733684584
I don't recognize him

>>733682894
There's this thing I call the Simpsons formula or Simpsons equation
Recognizability + Apathy = Mass Gullibility
You can make up almost anything about current SpongeBob or the Simpsons and people would just believe it immediately.
It's something I noticed a lot in serialized, long running media.

>>733684584
I recognize him

>>733684989
All Disney needs is a few more years of box office failures and they'll go back to their roots. Nobody is hype about Marvel or some soulless live action remake these days.

>>733684823
>okay so they might recognize thomas and the theme song but nothing beyond that
>okay so they might recognize sir topham hatt but not as much
I sense a forming pattern.

Do the names George Carlin and Ringo Starr mean anything to you?

>>733683386
Better question
Has anything actually good came out of Mickey entering PD yet? It's mainly lazy shit like Rubberhose Rampage and horror flicks.
I think we just need more time for other characters to become safe to use.

>>733685284
There's this but I don't think Mickey entering PD was necessary for it to be made.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2416450/MOUSE_PI_For_Hire/

>>733682894
should have made it between pokemon and final fantasy so its actually vidya related. sonic doesnt really apply anymore but he would a decade ago

>>733682894
Shadow Generations was great, and people enjoyed the movies. Sonic is turning into a beloved icon again. They just need to keep doing what they're doing.

>>733685435
how has Pokemon "fell off"? the latest game went and sold 10M

>>733685435
Pokemon is about to make more money this year than the sum of all earnings by your extended family tree.

>>733685531
sales dont matter when the series has been dog shit for well over a decade

>>733685516
Sonic is getting mogged by Pac-Man and Mega Man, more than anything. Especially if World 2 Re-Pac and the upcoming Dual Override are any indication.

>>733684989
>along with Disney abandoning him and 2D animation as a whole
what I linked was literally 2D animation, or do you mean movies?

>>733685582
and some russkoid zoomnigger put gman's head in a toilet and made more than yours, whats your fucking point retard

>>733685591
are you fucking stupid? sales is all that matters, games have been shit for at least a decade but that doesn't matter if it keeps selling tens of millions of units almost yearly.

>>733685636
The 2013 shorts ended years ago, he’s had next to nothing outside of those since.

>>733683896
Games don’t really matter since Sonic even at his best was never a revolutionary series. He’s always meant to be a mascot, and dudes like Yuji Naka are on copium since they’ll never be renowned like the guys at Nintendo or their even their contemporaries, like Fromsoft perfecting the adventure action genre.

>>733684584
Which people? I do, I know internet memes. My parents don't, they never heard of Thomas either. But they do know about the other 3 characters in the OP picture.

>>733685707
Technically the linked cartoon ended less than 3 years ago which isn't that long but I get what you mean.

>>733682894
Sonic already made his comeback. Mickey and the Simpsons will never be allowed by Disney. No adult cares about Thomas, that is a preschool show.

Mickey doesn't need to do shit because kids just like him and Minnie automatically because their designs are so good

>>733685897
Explain to me how shit like Bluey and Paw Patrol are so popular when they frankly shouldn’t have lasted more than 5 years?

>>733686049
people really want to fuck those mutts

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>>733686091
we have failed as a society

>>733685209
You're right, it is more popular with the average normie than I give it credit for and I apologize.
I doubt any of them have actually seen a single episode outside of childhood, but still.

>>733686049
because there are no alternative safe bets for parents, that's the sad reality.

is not that paw patrol and Bluey are amazingly good, is that they are safe and relatively agenda free.

>>733682894
>Sonic
he's back from the gutter but we will most likely see another dark age in a year or 2 because Sega can't help themselves but run the Sonic IP to the ground at every possible turn
>Thomas
Does anyone but children watch that shit?
>Simpsons
Not that bad, they've just been stuck in mediocrity for the last 20 years or so, you can only do so much with the premise it set out
>Mickey
Wouldn't say there's a rock bottom for him, he's a legacy character that's over a century old and should be treated as such

>>733686434
>Does anyone but children watch that shit?
A selection of extreme autismos. Maybe ~150,000 in number or so.

>>733684118
Thomas is way more iconic than Sonic

>>733686790
maybe in japan... oh im sad now

>>733682894
Sonic's probably more popular than ever before since he's succeded with movies.
Thomas is still pretty big in the toys department.
The mouse is omniprescent, he'll never go away.
Homer's the only one in the gutter, and Fox is run by retards.

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>>733682894
I sincerely forget Mickey was an actual character, designed at one point to have a personality, antagonist and goals. Also Simpsons is never making a comeback into public consciousness again. The 2nd movie is going to be one of the most demoralizing things ever, public audiences finally having to hear what Julie Kavner or Harry Shearer sound like now. Hell they'll probably AI half the voices to add insult to injury.

>>733686049
they are decent in a world full of fucking garbage. kids watch Cocomelon and jewtube slop now. Bluey and Paw Patrol are unironically 2 of the only modern kids shows i let my kid watch because everything is pozzed to hell and back and stuffed to the gills with niggers and freaks. at least one of the Paw Patrol movies makes the one sheboon the villain

>>733683586
>The Simpsons have been in the gutter for years now.
it was only good in the 90s lmao

i really can't stand modern simpsons

>>733683896
>Why are people still talking about Sonic like its 2015.
in 2015, the Sonic Boom series just ended, and it's one of the funniest series I've ever seen, if only the game had this goated humor :(

>>733685739
>Games don’t really matter since Sonic even at his best was never a revolutionary series. He’s always meant to be a mascot
that's a bit of a cope, when Sonic got created its main motto was that its games were better than Mario's lol

>>733686927
>The 2nd movie is going to be one of the most demoralizing things ever
even at the time of the first movie people started to see the Simpsons as a has been series, it was almost 20 years ago, when the fuck will they let them die in peace gaddamit

>>733685284
>Has anything actually good came out of Mickey entering PD yet?
No because actual big-name companies are too scared and deal with Disney in some way shape or form that if they use Steamboat Mickey that Disney will find some totally unrelated reason to pull out.

>>733685594
Neither of those characters are movie stars. I can definitely have a ton of fun playing one of those games. The point is, out of the 4 characters listed, I think Sonic is coming up most.

>>733687398
I would've honestly ended it at the movie. Its not a perfect, or even good ending or story, but it just pretty much leaves things in a conclusive state that nothing else really needs to be shown or said. Homer proves his undying love for his family and saves Springfield, which hes helping to rebuild in the ending. Bart/Homer become closer and Lisa gets a scottish ecoterrorist boyfriend.

>>733687128
honestly i doubt the cast & groening care much for it nowadays either. just gotta keep the cash rolling in.
they must have some moments where they think "what the fuck am i reading" when given lines for new episodes. surely seth macfarlane must feel that way reading his lines for every new family guy episode.

>>733684021
Meme status isn’t really a high honor since memes are fundamentally meant to be shaped the people. Anyone can participate in them which is why it’ll always lead to the lowest common denominator I.e. porn addicts and retards

>>733687885
Yes, I agree, I wouldn't have minded if they had stopped in 2007. I'd say they already overstayed their welcome for a good five years, but I could overlook that. But now it's getting ridiculous. It's been almost 20 years since they were relevant or great, jesus...

>>733687852
And the Mario movie has gotten people to look back at the Sonic movies far more critically, to the point even those who like the films are starting to critique and crack down on them more for not being faithful enough.

>Sonic is doing better
When they continue to release Mania-quality games, then I'll believe it. Frontiers was trash and Crossworlds is a fucking racing game that's barely a Sonic game with all the crossover shit. SEGA had the winning ticket in 2016 and they squandered it.

>>733687948
If any of those creators had integrity with their work they would just stop. Seth is also using the money to usually fund things he actually wants to, so you can maybe say theres some pragmatic, ulterior motive there like with Orville or other side gigs. Hes also heavily into theatre and singing, which makes me wonder why he doesn't just direct a musical or write one. Or maybe he has and I've never heard of it. He can certainly sing and bring more life to a song than Trey or Matt can.

>>733688034
>SEGA had the winning ticket in 2016 and they squandered it.
bruh, I want them to go back to Sonic Adventure 2's level again, making a good 2d game isn't what I want from them

>>733685209
>Thomas
>Theme song
>Fat Controller
>Celebrity narrators
>Henry being stuck in that tunnel
What else can the general public recognize?

>>733688025
Maybe, but I assume anyone who watched those 3 Sonic movies will watch a 4th and is looking at the games.

>>733688341
The fourth is easily gonna surpass the box office of the last one because Amy is in it. Waifufags will pay for tickets twice.

>>733688341
They’re already shitting their pants over how Amy has been handled in the games and comics lately, there’s plenty of concern Sonic 4 is gonna butcher her after the third movie ended with her in the sequel hook stinger.

If Princess Peach got turned into a generic girlboss for the Mario Movie, Amy is going to get butchered even worse.

>>733682894
sonic has always been shit though

>>733688493
The recent games have shown they have no clue how to write Amy. Still, people will show up for the movie.

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>>733684584

FAT CONTROLLER

>>733682894
Not Mickey Mouse that's for sure.

Mickey Mouse suffers from being bland inoffensive and lame. And even when he was slightly mischievous he's still lacking because he doesn't have the design for having attitude for mischief this is why Stitch from Lilo and Stitch fits the bill for mischievous behavior. And Mickey Mouse suffers from having a very shitty annoying voice and I can't believe that Nintendo's Mario imitated Mickey's annoying voice style. Thank god Nintendo realized Mario's regular voice is too annoying so they changed it for the CG movie at least. Mickey Mouse on the other hand has never changed his voice making him eternally grating to listen to.

And before anyone says Kingdom Hearts Mickey is a glorified cameo in that series he doesn't do much of anything his biggest accomplishment is fighting the villain group on his own but big deal in an earlier scene Mickey loses a duel against a lower number group so invalidated. Mickey Mouse is utterly lame combine that with being rather infantile and no a surprise he has no potential. He really doesn't.

>>733686980
>>733684854
It was good up until 2003, tolerable to good on an episodic basis until the 2007 movie came out and shit ever since. The movie had a lot of hype for it so the brand hadn't been poisoned by then. It actually had the record for being the highest-grossing film based on an animated television series until the Demon Slayer movie came out.

>>733688840
lol no, Simpsons post 9/11 are garbage.

>>733688556
For all that Boom was deservedly shit on, I do think that making Amy the dedicated tard wrangler was a pretty fun choice. I could do without Knuckles being completely lobotomized, but its honestly a more fun take on Knuckles than the movie writers being unable to figure out if Knuckles is an adult proud warrior race guy or 13 year old boy with anger issues.

>>733683998
> The Americanization of the franchise has arguably, only gotten worse.

Even though Sega is Japanese, Sonic has always been more popular in America than it has been in Japan. We've had at least 3 Sonic TV shows when all the Japanese have is that (admittedly great) Metal Sonic OVA.

>>733688887
That's just like your opinion man

>>733688928
Japan also made Sonic X and the Man of the Year pilot.

>>733688887
>Simpsons post 9/11 are garbage.
there were still some good episodes there and there on the first half of the 00s, but yeah, I'd say past the movie it was dead there was nothing of value anymore, I think the Simpsons had to stay a product of its time, like Seinfeld (which is ironic since they both started in 89, Jerry was asked to make a 10th season in exchange of a shit ton of money but he refused because he realized he didn't have many ideas anymore so it would suck, I wish Matt had the same mentality)

>>733689019
>Tom and Jerry are more globally popular than Mickey Mouse.
as it should, the only good shit I liked about Mickey was fantasia lol

>>733682894
Probably Mickey, even if Disney being Disney makes it unlikely.
He's still extremely popular, but needs a high quality product to draw people in.
Simpsons is just on a downwards trend, and Sonic has already hit a ceiling with the movies, which didn't even affect the popularity of the games considering how his newest racing game flopped.
No idea about Thomas.

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Mickey Mouse can never make a resurgence, Disney is much too scared to take any risks with their mascot and play it so safe then no one cares about him.
Look up the story of the Runaway Brain cartoon. It was all about how Disney once struggled because Mickey was being sanitized and barely any cartoons were being made about him because what can you honestly do with such an inoffensive character as modern Mickey and so some animators tried to get creative and Disney lost their minds. Disney then resolved to never experiment with Mickey again

>>733689014
Yeah I forgot about Sonic X. It was cool.

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>>733689217
>Still need to wait like eight or so years for this one to be free.
Disney won't let that happen, they'll probably lobby it again so that we'll have to wait another 1000 years kek

>>733689275
Tom's a dick, and he gives it almost as good as he gets it a lot of the time. He also instigates the majority of the conflicts so it's not like he's being tortured without cause, it's a mutual rivalry between him and Jerry.

>>733684584
His name is The Fat Controller.

>>733689275
The characters have personality. Mickey's personality is being as milquetoast and falsetto as possible. Even in House of Mouse hes that eternally smiling, passive host and that was 25 years ago in a crossover based tv show.

>>733689370
>He also instigates the majority of the conflicts
dude, that poor cat needs to fucking eat, it's a miracle he managed to survive 70+ years without food :(

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>>733689458
>dude, that poor cat needs to fucking eat
You're confusing Tom for Wile E. Coyote, Tom has an owner and not only gets fed but steals food from the fridge on a number of occasions

>>733688928
>That's just like your opinion man
no is an objective fact, just because there are some episodes here and there that doesn't completely suck (IMO there are none but I'm willing to make that concession for the sake of the argument) doesn't mean that Simpsons didn't objectively went to the gutter after S11 (and that's a little generous).

Behind the Laughter should have been Simpsons last episode

>>733689223
That cartoon is really good and has amazing animation.

The modern micky shorts they were releasing on youtube have pretty low quality art but the writing and jokes were good.

>>733689393
That's just his nickname
https://youtu.be/vvg5LdJifqg?feature=shared

>>733689072
Ironically Seinfeld botched the ending badly but at least he knew when to stop.

>>733689581
His name was always The Fat Controller.
"Topham Hatt" was originally made up for American audiences who thought "Fat Controller" was problematic.

>>733683586
>Sonic is in a much better place recently than a few years ago.
By selling out?

>>733685284
what exactly do you mean by "anything good"
what would be "good"
what exactly do you even want out of a fucking public domain mickey mouse
anyone who could make something "good" with this worthless hundred year old character could make something better by just using their own design
there is zero reason except for humor to make anything with mickey mouse as any entity but disney
hence, "humorous" horror films or "humorous" sex parodies
which aren't actually funny

>>733689603
>That said any company that wants to extend copyright further needs to have their high ranking employees and their families assassinated.
I swear to god, if a candidate says they'll reduce the copyright delay and make it retroactive, I'll vote for them, even if they're the wokest motherfuckers on earth and will force us to display our pronouns for 4 years, if that's the price to pay to get fucking James Bond or Superman as a free trademark then sign me up!

>>733689652
IDW and the movies did really good PR for the sonic brand even if frontiers was meh.

>>733688160
It's what's needed. Once they remember 2D Sonic's peak, then they need to focus on making Sonic's physics work in 3D.

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>>733689631
Sir Topham Hatt was always his real name, before the show even existed. I can't believe I have to be that guy about Thomas of all things, but you should do some more research before posting.
Yes, Americans were mad about "Fat Controller" but the name used in its stead was not made up for them.

>>733689883
IDW doesn't even sell that well. It's niche.

>>733690101
They're trying to bring the Batman morality question into Sonic when Sonic has no reason to have those ideals and they can't write an arc where Sonic actually kills Eggman in cold blood, not even as a self-contained "what if" alternate universe. Sonic doesn't even have problems with villains dying in most media, Ian was the one who introduced this idea.

>>733688025
I saw a lot of people saying its weird how the mario movie is worse despite being more faithful on a surface level

>>733690080
I concede.

>>733688895
Fuck you. The second youngest out of the 4 of them shouldn't have to be the responsible one

Sonic has enjoyed a resurgence

>>733690481
no thats not how this works you're supposed to get angry and escalate the argument by doubling down and calling him names, not back off and admit you were wrong

>>733682894
disney has sunk billions of dollars into figuring out how to bring mickey back. out of those four its mickey.

i think bugs bunny will be back first before the mouse. but if we're being realistic mario beat them all to the punch

Sonic still doesn't have any good games, fuck anyone saying a remake of a 2011 game with a side game was good, it wasn't.
Simpsons is simply waiting for one of the cast members to die so they'll have to finally call it quits.
Mickey could bounce back if Disney doesn't fuck around.
Thomas I'm not too knowledgeable on.

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>>733682894
You mean Mickey or Disney? Because when Mickey is allowed to do something it's usually pretty great.
I don't think Disney's coming back, their good-to-bad ratio since Hercules in 1999 has been atrocious.

>>733691253
Can you really call Sonic X Shadow Generations are "remake"? The base game is pretty much the same outside of some dialog changes. The word you're looking for is remaster.

>>733690927
Deal with it, nerd.
I hope you have a nice day.

>>733691461
>are
I meant just a simple "a". Don't know how I fumbled like that.

>>733691461
>remaster
That's even worse. Sonic's last good game was Mania, everything else was either half-assed or half-baked.

>>733691638
>Mania
You can easily play a classic fangame with a better experience.

>Thomas isn't coming back. It just, isn't. It is mostly indian trains now. It is fully jeeted and basically dead. Remember shining time station? Before the internet.

>Simpsons aren't coming back, they're about to go full jeet AI if they haven't already.

>Mickey Mouse was always terrible.

Sonic will come back with a tolerable PS6 exclusive and tie-in TV show that is at least watchable.

disney parks have been around forever, yet noboddy gives a shit about mickey

simpsons land exist in some park, yet only boomers want to go there, the kids won't spend money there

sonic does he even have a theme park?

thomas the tank engine??? unless there was a reboot i never heard of this is completely obscure, like black and white era shit

>>733685591
Pokémon is the single largest media franchise in the world

>>733686049
>>733686220
Bluey is actually really good though. I’ve seen more than a handful of episodes and it strikes me as exactly the type of show I would watch with my (nonexistent lol) children. Good characters, good messages for kids and ideas for games to play, relatable parent figures. My niece can’t get enough of it

>>733685591
>the series has been dog shit for well over a decade
it is true, but nintendo doesn't give a fuck, they're making even more money that way lmao

Sonic already had a comeback six years ago.
What is it about this blue fuck that mindraped them so hard they're still living in 2010 youtube era? Move on grandpa, it's honestly pathetic.

>>733691690
The fuck I can.
>Hack of Mania with no new bosses
>Hack that's all style, no substance
>Hack with dumb memes and in-jokes
>Fangames are either demos, visual showcases with shit level design or 3D playgrounds where you can skip the entire level with enough speed
Mania is what you get when you reign in these fans with a deadline and budget.
I know hacks and fangames are different but

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>>733682894
Simpsons has more chance of dying than a resurgence.
Mickey's brand is too entangled in corporate bureaucracy.
Thomas is over. It's long lost its sacrosanct status in the UK and Japan since the move to CG and most of the kino stories from the books have been done.
Sonic is in a mediocre position with its vidya but is doing relatively fine in other avenues.

>>733693921
Crossworlds and Shadow gen were amazing.
Murder of Sonic the hedgehog was a 10/10.
Frontiers was okay. You lost.

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has anyone played this shit?

>>733683002
>Since unleashed
More like since Adventure

>>733694034
Not him but the point is Sonic is doing at worst fine and all the other IPs in the OP are basically dead and coasting off of cultural inertia that's dwindling as time moves on. I haven't played a Sonic game since Sonic Rush, but even I know that Sonic is in a great position just by the fact that they're making shit and shit people want on some level.

It also kinda mirrors how many culturally relevant Western IPs are essentially dead meanwhile most Japanese IPs are fine despite being milked just as hard. The only thing that makes sense is that the Japanese don't bother changing shit when it works and know their IPs well enough to know what fans expect out of it.

>>733682894
>Thomas the tank engine
Wait, it's still around outside of toys?

>>733689223
Italian Disney Comics are cool, but Disney hates them because of it. Literally everybody can do disney better than america.

>>733694632
>The only thing that makes sense is that the Japanese don't bother changing shit when it works and know their IPs well enough to know what fans expect out of it.
Dragon Ball's been doing the opposite.
>Heroes, a successful game that went on for a decade with no notable decline got cancelled for another game that died barely a year in
They literally took a game that established itself and brought goodwill through investing in it long-term only to can it for a game that was so barebones and watered down it was literally DoA when it launched. I expect more bullshit to arise within the next few years going into the next decade.

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>>733691783
>It is fully jeeted
Wow you weren't kidding
I wonder how many Indians Thomas has killed because they were taking selfies on railroad tracks

>>733682894
I would say pokemon. It sells a lot but it lost all the soul like 15 years ago

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>>733691413
Oh yeah those shorts are for sure the best thing with Mickey in decades

Thomas is irrelevant outside the UK.

>>733683002
>disney faggot having shit opinion
pottery