by being modern blizzard and repeating the same mistakes they already made.

>>733687056
Even as a filthy vanilla fanboy I honestly can't think how you make vanilla 'better'.

Slap in NG+ and some sort of reward for doing it I guess? Add in more races/specs/classes that blend in well with the existing leveling experience? The only part of vanilla that's good is the world and journey through it with randoms you meet along the way overcoming whatever challenge you're currently doing, you could keep adding more and more on the end of it but its a bit like stretching out a rubber band, eventually you make areas of it thin and it snaps. You spread the number of players across too wide an area then no one is around in the areas you want them in.

But expecting modern Blizzard to be able to look at vanilla objectively and figure out how to add in new races/classes/specs or adjusting the existing ones, maintaining the atmosphere and challenge of vanilla without completely fucking it up is beyond reason.

>>733687229
literally just reduce hybrid mana costs, that fixes so much shit

>>733687056
>megaservers
>layers
>bots everywhere
>transmogs
>dungeon/raid difficulties
>arenas
>warmode

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>>733687056
>SoD was functionally classic +
>they still fucked it up patch after patch obliterated it during phase 3 or 4 when they full added retail dailies that ruined the leveling grind, gearing grind, and economy in one go.
I don't know how people think it won't be fucked up. at best it will be fun for the first 20-30 levels assuming they prevent people from dungeon spamming or AOE grinding, but that is unlikely.

>>733687056
SOD already showed us that they'll fuck it up. If you fall for this shit you are a retard.

>>733687592
Retfag or Druidfag hands typed this, either way go fuck yourself you absolute double Nigger.

>>733687939
Shut up warriorfag, your time is over

>>733687056
>cl*ssic
Already failed at the starting line

>>733687592
Rebalancing classes could be a total clusterfuck without also rebalancing all the content in the game.

>>733687865
SoD S1 was great tho. The additions for all the classes were interesting and fun without completely fucking up the experience.

>>733687229
By using it as a reset tool for better content.
Imagine filling the game with more fun, comfy, long 5 mans in the same vein as BRD.

>play warrior
>talent tree feels nice as hell
>so many good skills
>play druid
>wtf is this tree
>wtf my skills hit for nothing

>>733688146
This, 10man content without weekly resets like UBRS would also be great. 20-40man Raiding should be completely optional.

>>733688107
It was pretty fun even with the godlike hunter pets raping people 4v1, sunfire cats cooking people alive from 40yrds, and the paladin perma shield daze.

>>733688402
Don't forget the oneshotting rogues chasing you down with spammable shadowsteps

>>733688334
Raiding was always a meme. It was basically just bloating the 5 man rpg party for the sake of bulk because everyone wanted to experience the big epic battles in LortR.

Except retards didn't get it would NEVER simulate that experience. You were 40 retards swarming around big monster as it spammed generic debuffs while you rotationed through the fight, it was never look two big armies clashing against each other.

They won't update classes to give them actual gameplay with rotations and abilities and then the game will die because classic gameplay sucks.

They WILL update classes but the playerbase entirely comprised of degenerate scum whose only desire of minmaxxing is buying gold for consumables and getting all world buffs will complain because they actually have a game to play.

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The Classic+ survey returned positive support for the following:

>Arena
>Mythic+
>Rated PvE
>Blood elves
>Horde Paladins/Alliance Shamans
>Dungeon finder
>Heroic dungeons
>Allowing combat add-ons and weak auras
>Achievements

The lead dev of Classic+ indicated he was interested in the results.

It is literally, unequivocally, over.

>>733687056
they already fucked up classic by censoring it

>>733688107
early sod was great because people were actually out in the world together and grouping, which was amazing, but they fucked it up as patches went on, though in fairness they did do a bit better much later into its life and SE is neat for being bunch of recycled assets.
PvP was an imbalanced shitshow, and a personal gripe as a warrior is that I didn't get as many new toys as other classes and victory rush as a first rune was actually unusable and a kick in the dick. still a great dps, but I just hoped for something a bit more experimental. the rage on bleed tick could have been an interesting build but they removed it later and there werent a lot of bleed items to begin with.

>>733688663
so its just going to be modern wow now, cool.

Won't have to, Microsoft is going to shut down blizzard soon

Undead paladins, Ogre race, Blade Master class, Sentinel Class, stuff like that.

>>733688873
These dumb ideas remind me of this shit I read on the old wow forums before tbc released when everyone wanted hero classes

>>733688663
so just modern WoW

they will listen to uber sweats much like current retail im playing tbc and while its infinitely better than retail its still way too gung ho about endgame cause of the playerbase primarily and they limit the player experience cause there is too many bots and rmt. they need to allow gdkps but ban third worlders, they need to ban bots, have a game where you can do whatever. Like i have friends i told to try it and they are banned from trading accessing the auction house for thirty fucking days can you believe that? i cant trade em shit, you remember when you just started you'd have some badass max level trade you bags to start out? nope. 30 fucking days they haven't been on since dumb fucking kikes

>>733688663
That survey wasn't exclusively voted on by vanilla enjoyers, many retailfags saw it as a chance to insert their shit opinions and make another home for themselves.

>>733689057
To be expected after seeing Midnight. Retail is still ruining vanilla even if they're two completely separate games.

>>733687056
>how
It is being developed by blizzard

Runescape's last and most sinister trick, making other MMOs think they can make their own OSRS. Fact of the matter is other MMOs are simply not grindy enough to fit additional content in.

>>733687229
I would just want new classes with or existing ones with different playstyles to go through the leveling experience differently. I always wanted a life stealing tank class as I progress through the vanilla zones.

Maybe new races with their own starting zones because Ogres or Nagas would be neat. Won't ever happen but small things like this would be nice to see to me.

>>733688976
hero classes are kino and UD pallies make more sense than "sunwalkers".

>>733689158
also obviously osrs requires less resources to make shit

>>733689057
>that survey doesnt count because the more popular game had players that voted for popular features
and blizzard wants to make things popular, so they arent gonna listen to vanillatards

Delete shitty vanilla talents and replace them with wrath/tbc talents.
Get rid of "not usable while in combat" clause on ALL abilities.
Let druids parry and benefit from on hit

other than completing the unfinished talent trees and adding tier sets for those specs there isn't really anything vanilla needs added desu

>>733689258
I think UD necromancers make more sense than either

>>733689272
Another very important aspect for sure. I'm still impressed how quickly Jagex can turn around content. Another example of a small team with a consistent vision being a much better choice over a large team bloated with project managers and pajeet contractors like blizz

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>>733689342
>replace them with wrath/tbc talents.
Vomit
Tbc/wrath class design is cancer and has ruined the classes all the way up to the present day.

>>733687815
>megaservers
>bad
How many ghost town servers need to happen before people accent that putting everyone on one server with layers is good for maintaining a healthy population?

>>733689484
there is objectively nothing redeemable about vanilla class design
its why vanilla is fucking dead, you retards need to kill yourselves

>>733687056
By listening to their dumbass fanbase. The #NoChanges people advocated for a completely unbalanced meta with some classes like warrior or mage way outperforming others.

Nothing about the actual interesting parts of classic (greater emphasis on leveling, many reasons to be out in the world, etc.) requires the pre-TBC class meta. Hell, the paladin wasn't even finished by then.

My hope is that they start at late classic, rebalance the classes, and fill in the zones that lore says should be there like Hyjal and Gilneas.

>>733687056
>Predict how they will fuck this up
No Draenei or Goblins

>>733689315
It's a known fact that most blizzdrones are retarded, if Blizzard wants to expand the playerbase then they shouldn't include shitty features from the failing retail client just because some addicts are still playing it. They should expand on the design that made the game popular in the first place.

>>733689575
vanilla is by far the most loved and best designed version of wow

This is my wish list:

-All classes "balanced" and viable in pve and pvp, except tanks.
-Mana issues resolved for most specs.
-Demon Hunters for the Alliance, available from Blasted Lands, they won't have metamorphosis, glide, eye beam or fel rush. Only DPS spec will be available.
-Monks available for the Horde without mist or celestial spells, they'll feel like brawlers and they start in the Orgrimmar Arena. Only DPS spec will be available.
-High Elves for the Alliance, Ogres for the Horde.
-New social events like in-game weddings, etc.
-A new one boss raid with several phases, similar to Onyxia.
-No more world buffs.

>>733688663
Best part for me was largely people voting against Transmog
You know what will help people do content that no one cares about anymore? Getting gear to transmog with
Twow has it so you need a fashion token (rare to get) and it just an extra thing some people do. fucking dumb to not want it, fucking dumb to limit reasons for people to run content they might not want to otherwise
But they vote for all this shit

>>733687229
you turn the progression into osrs. Classless, all professions learnable and able to maxed out, learn abilities in the world via enemy drops or through training like how you train a skill in osrs. Armor and weaon type affects gameplay i.e heavier armor slowing movement and weapon type should have Rock paper scissor advantage wheel. Prune like 90% of the gear and end game gear should be T2 statline. Make gear sets exciting like "oh this 3 piece gives me perma out of combat stealth" "oh this 2 piece gives me a double jump and glide" Raids and dungeons should be soloable but heavily encourage group play for additional drops.

>>733689575
>its why vanilla is fucking dead
Yeah sure, 5 versions of official vanilla servers and more private ones. Meanwhile who the fuck is playing wotlk or retail? Dumbass.

>>733689789
I voted against it because I want to see the gear that people are actually wearing, not some fake slut outfit you pulled out of your ass. Go play Barbie's dress-up somewhere else faggot.

>>733689532
the fact that you dont need layers if your server infrastructure isnt utter dogshit asshole
if a bunch of baguettes and eastern europeans can keep a server with 10k+ people on it at any time entirely synchronous then there's no excuse

>>733689484
vanilla druid talents were horrendous

>>733690040
yeah 1 functional tree per class (with some not even really working). great class design

>>733689620
the only failing client is vanilla, thats why retail has 50x more players and every shitnilla server is a ghost town
>>733689671
Not a single good player loves vanilla and its inferior in literally every aspect.

Warmode toggle. Let the spergs that want to endlessly kill each other get extra treats, I just want to play with my friends who unfortunately only want to play on PVP realms. Which fucking sucks on an established server.

I am retarded but I think they should just make an expansion that splits the timeline away from tbc and they hire a bunch of turbo sperges to design content around the vanilla philosophy and style. continue content from there. it would probably turn out poop but it would be fun. just no retarded shit like emerald whatever that killed sod

>>733687939
That'd help Shaman waaaaay more than Druid.
Boomkin's dogshit even if they fix that.

>>733689575
From TBC on there is no class design, only rotation design
If that is what you want you shouldn't be anywhere near classic

Different classes, make some fucked up amalgamations/reference WC3.

>hurrr hybrids should have to chug expensive mana pots just to do less dps than an auto attacking rogue

>>733690129
There are literally more players on classic servers than retail right now, Midnight will be dead within a week because of how shit it is. Classic+ is their best shot at reviving the game.

>>733690221
TBC has really simple rotations, wtf are you talking about? And it does have class design, like pallies being great tank healers but bad aoe healers

Make other classes play as nicely as classic Warrior. There is your classic +

>>733689928
>5 versions of official vanilla servers
and theyre all dead. The classic devs keep churning out dogshit in a vain attempt at keeping their jobs but vanilla is so unpopular they die in a week

They're gonna make everyone gay, trans and in a wheelchair

>>733690307
>60 levels of suffering
>have to spend thousands of gold immediately at max level
>compete with 20 other browns for raid loot
>miss
>parry
>dodge
yes let's make all classes experience this

LET BLIZZARD COOK

>>733690279
>There are literally more players on classic servers than retail right now
Shitskins really actually believe this too lmao
No faggot, classic is sub 100k players and thats if you include MoP. Vanilla and slop like tbc are abysmal dogshit and deservedly unpopular

>>733690394
They should do that as an april fools joke, put every NPC in the game in a wheelchair and call it Classic Disabled Edition

>>733687056
The'll turn it into retail-lite and the community will praise them for it. Sad really.

>>733690496
>make it into a better game
>get praised
whats the issue?

>>733690526
Nothing Aggrend, please go ahead and do that so I wont play.

>>733690526
>some men just want to see the world of warcraft burn

>>733690409
>60 levels of suffering?
Warrior feels totally fine and crushes pussy if you keep your gear updated. I guess level 30 ish can feel kinda rough if you are poor as hell and get unlucky with corpsemaker. Yeah you can't easily kill orange or red mods like a hunter but if you stick to greens like you should then it is totally fine for most of the experience.

>>733690707
warrior is pretty rough for the first 30-40 levels unless you're twinking and even then it's still harder than the other classes

>>733690707
I only play HC self found (the way wow was meant to be played)

>>733690526
Yup, same thing that happened with SoD. Theyll look at garbage inclusions like incursions and think that was a wise choice.

>>733689894
Meant to clarify items from raids and dungeons should be like princess dagger from maruadon. Unique equipment that changes gameplay. Also Raids and dungeons should be repeatable but dorps should have a really small drop chance.

They should just blatantly steal the world items system from Ascension, they make the world feel so much more alive and rewarding to explore. While they're at it, they can also steal the "mobs drop the equipment they're wearing" system which also helps with this. I would also like new races even if they're as simple as shit like jungle trolls (or even sand trolls if the different jungle troll models are "too much work") and cult of the damned humans, maybe even throw the high elf larpers a bone with the OG high elf models. I'm also personally pro transmog, but that's because I want to larp in full troll gear for flavor and RP reasons, and I get that its many downsides probably outweigh the pros overall but fuck you I want to wear my voodoo mask. It should lean into its RPG roots instead of the raidlogging parser hellpit it became.
>>733689737
No more world buffs would be so good, but the autistic screeching would be off the charts

>>733690526
Incursions straight up killed SoD's momentum and economy.
Raid Difficulty settings was also detrimental, especially when they were retarded gimmicks that were broken on release (looking at you BWL).

>>733690858
princess dagger doesn't change the gameplay too much. It just lets you spam the same ability a little bit more and adds some damage

>>733690796
>incursions
I was so sad when these came out and I couldn't exploit it, it just made me not want to play anymore knowing that poopsockers had several thousand gold after a couple hours of farming them before they were nerfed.

>>733690898
>they should just blatantly steal the world items system from Ascension
agree, I had a lot of fun playing on BronzeBeard because of these

>>733689894
I love osrs, and think it has many advantages over wow, but this is just the eoc in reverse. If you make your game too much like a temu version of your competitor, you alienate any fanbase you have while not really gaining anything for it. They need to double down on the strengths of wow and ignore the mistakes wow made as it went, not try to become a bargain bin version of osrs. I do agree that unique traits to equipment should be more common (not just in the endgame, but throughout the leveling experience as well)

>>733691029
I really need to get back to it, I had a lot of fun in the testing world and was enjoying the release a lot, but I got brickwalled by wind strike which was what I really wanted to play. Other games keep stealing my attention though, I'm sure i'll get the itch again in time. The profession rework was also really satisfying, it was obviously more its own thing than any real classic plus but they had a ton of phenomenal ideas for a classic plus to pull from regarding the open world

>>733689979
It all looks like shit anyway, and okay enjoy people doing less content and the game dying faster

>>733691497
If you want content to stay relevant then just keep doing what they did in vanilla, MC has a legendary that remains viable throughout the entire game, T2 pants on rag, bis shoulder enchants and class trinket in ZG, best caster hybrid gear in AQ. Have a bunch of actual items that stay relevant throughout the game, items with unique applications and situational utility.
There is nothing more boring than going back grinding for cosmetic items just so you can look like a chump.

>>733692015
yeah like with DST lasting you the whole expansion or Quag's eye lasting you till BT or sunwell

>>733689789
Id definitely prefer transmog to achievements.

I'm still recovering from 2019

>>733690898
turtle wow has world buffs but they stop working in raids. it works out pretty well so you get a cool world buff for dungeons or doing world content but not cheesing raids. one of the server's favorite features of the players there

>>733687056
I dont trust the devs after SoD. I'll stick to twow and osrs.

>>733690040
>>733690106
>IT NEEDS TO WORK EXACTLY LIKE TBC-MIDNIGHT OR IT DOESN'T WORK!!!!

I'll take the broken Vanilla talent trees over fucking ice lance/kill command/felguard/mutilate/snake trap/dw shaman for the 29 millionth fucking time thanks

>>733692580
I'll take the cool stuff like arms warrior 4% physical debuff or moonkin crit aura then

>>733692720
Have fun in retail

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>>733687056
Can I just get a fucking Season of Balance instead? Fix up the problems Vanilla had without just completely revamping everything?
I don't feel like I'm asking for much to have retarded shit like "5/5 10% crit chance on Moonfire (initial hit only)" turned into some manner of DoT damage boost / mana reduction / DoT length increase so the specs and classes play similarly to how they originally worked but instead of being complete shit they're at least functional.
I just want balanced fucking Vanilla, with the only true problem child being having to give Shamans an actual functional tank setup because if Alliance get 3 working tanks it will be even more joever for Horde than it already was.
No I don't want Mind Flay replaced with Mind Spike (fucking whatever it's called) I want SPriest to play similarly but actually god damn work because they have some kind of mana reduction on their shadow spells cooked into SForm so they don't instantly run out of mana in every piece of content.

>>733692580
I hate dw shaman so much 2h enh is what god intended

>>733687056
If Aggrend and his autistic crew are in control of it you automatically know it will be shit.

>>733692015
There is nothing more boring than going back to the same raids grinding them over and over again just to get +0.5% damage after 3 weeks.

>>733690432
Reminder
>20 second wotf
>resto the only druid spec
>deathcoil didnt horrify
>unstoppable force knockback effect
>shadowmelded aim shots
it all took 2 years bros

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>>733692015
>There is nothing more boring than going back grinding for cosmetic items just so you can look like a chump.
The problem with cosmetics is you can solve it then the whole grind of it is pointless.

>>733687056
they will release it with a broken class that you have to pay to get
it will be overpowered for awhile then they nerf it to retain players
everything will be a cash grab because blizz piggies love being milked

>>733690252
I don't get blizzards argument regarding hybrid tax. You couldn't duel spec in vanilla.

>>733690163
Because shaman is the gimped of the 3, that does not excuse buffing the 2 cancer classes.

>>733688663
The fact that they had to do a survey in the first place shows how fuck everything is. Ie the Devs don't know what to do. They don't 'get' vanilla (as apparently many voters don't), and thus have no clue on how to progress it.

>>733687056
>layers (would be a free space on a bingo sheet)
>bots (would be a second free space on a bingo sheet)
>chat reports and autobans (would be a third blah blah blah)
>retarded scaling
>egregiously shit balancing that makes vanilla look great
>warmode/chievos/flying mounts/heroics/whatever other shit from retail I don't want in there (wouldn't mind transmog if implemented decently)
>focusing entirely on 60 content
>gay bullshit in writing of new content (bonus points for rewriting old stuff to make it stupid)
>boosts and WoW tokens

>>733697124
>>bots (would be a second free space on a bingo sheet)
>>chat reports and autobans (would be a third blah blah blah)
>Will ban you because you hurt someone's feelings
>Won't ban the bots destroying the games' health
Fuck I hate blizzard bean counters.

>>733687056
Gay stags

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>>733689532
I've leveled to 60 and finished AQ40 on a server that had a weekend peak of 120

It's actually more vanillalike to have low capacity servers. I remember playing on a Full server in 2005 and seeing less than a dozen people every night unless I was in a zone with a level 60 dungeon.

>>733687056
it's WoW in 2026
there, I predicted it

Pilav is the only voice of reason within the classic community.

>>733687056
DUNGEON AND RAID FINDER, DAY FUCKING ONE
fuck purists in the ass

>>733693191
paladins were pidgeonholed into Holy in vanilla so fucking hard, with Prot being complete dogshit you will never be a real tank, and Ret being also complete dogshit but it was all you had to do any damage necessary for questing

>>733687056
They don't need to. The players will, just like they did with Classic.

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>>733687056
Horde paladin/Alliance shaman

This is a hard pass for me.

>>733687229
> Even as a filthy vanilla fanboy I honestly can't think how you make vanilla 'better'.
Fix broken specs, which is most of them, and give classes more than one buttton to press in combat.
Give bosses and mobs mechanics, doesn’t have to be like retail, but more than just stand still and beat on the boss. Something simple, but a bit engaging.
More things in general that make players go out in the world rather than raid log. WPvP zones, more world bosses.
Make professions better so everyone doesn’t just pick engineering.

>>733701965
>Fix broken specs, which is most of them, and give classes more than one buttton to press in combat.
specs =/= classes. the idea that each spec has to be its own individual class is retarded. rotations are also shit.

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>>733687056
Didn't anyone learn anything from how cringe abd bad SoD turned out?
Classic+ will be that but way worse.

im a ffxiv girlie but have been wanting to try WoW. is this a good starting point?

>>733687056
lol anything to milk the junkies

>>733700780
It's terrible for finding groups though, and makes recruitment at max level even harder. Having played on dead servers and played on mega servers I can now 100% say I'll pick mega every time. I don't care about the authenticity of a contiguous world, I care about other people being there in my multiplayer game.

They should make janky Vanilla versions of Death Knights, Monks, Demon Hunters, and Evokers.

>>733702093
>specs =/= classes
For this to be the case WoW needs to be decoupled from hard locked party composition and highly orchestrated instance grinds.

"You think you do but you don't" was always correct.
Dumb fucks will never agree on a classic+. SoM and SoD were attempts at it and few liked them. At this point classic has been beaten to death. It's the least populated servers, it falls the fastest. You can only redo the same classic so many times before people realize it's boring.

Retail remains what is most popular and what brings in the money. No amount of classic andys screeching will ever change this fact.

Play it if you find enjoyment in it but don't ever expect get what is basically a TBC but different expansion for classic. There's no money to be made in it, not enough people who can agree what they want and TBC already fucking exists as does the entire line of expansions.

>>733687056
They'll fuck it up by doing it. Classic+ is "you think you do, but you don't" content. Everyone has different ideas of what they want from it, and everyone who doesn't get their way will quit in 2 weeks.

>>733687056
50/50 chance whether it will be copying SoD or Turtle WoW. They're going to try and appeal to everyone, even those who come from retail, which will kill the game. In Blizzard's mind this is the only way to approve a project with more than 5 people

>>733690029
>if a bunch of baguettes and eastern europeans can keep a server with 10k+ people on it at any time entirely synchronous then there's no excuse
Nostalrious was fucking unplayable at peak hours both technically and gameplay-wise.

>>733687865
Well, you see, they're just not going to fuck it up this time, despite fucking everything up (including their experimental Classic+) for more than 10 years straight. It's that simple. Just trust the process, and trust Blizzard.

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>>733688663
>"Classic+"
>it's just Retail-
Every SINGLE time

>Classic+
>nobody can actually tell anything specific about "le good classic+"
>just vagueposting

>>733687056
>releases with less features than wow classic
>few years later they remove the +

>>733687056
>how they will fuck this up
if they don't do literally everything based Wille suggests

>>733704854
>specific
New races
New zones
More quests/lore in old zones
More mid to endgame lvl dungeons
More gear
More professions
A few more raids
Revamped difficulty for old dungeons and raids
New bosses in old dungeons and raids
Better pvp and world pvp incentive
Better pvp gear
Expanding upon the stories from warcraft 3, but without shitty expansion releases like TBC and WoTLK

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>>733705316
>New races
>New zones
>More quests/lore in old zones
>More mid to endgame lvl dungeons
>More gear
>More professions
>A few more raids

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>>733687056

>>733704854
Everyone has their own idea of what it should be

>>733687056
we already saw how they fucked up SoD. it won't be classic+, it will be retail-
blizzard is completely compromised, all the talent is gone, and wow is dead

>>733704854
WoW is really in a uniquely doomed position. The concept of "Classic+" has basically become a myth that will never live up to people's standards. What's worse is that those standards are largely dictated by the nebulous blob of WoW players, who are moronic degenerates who will let add-ons and content creators optimize the fun out of the game so that they can get their dopamine hit as efficiently as possible. J. Allen Brack was actually right when he said,
>You think you do, but you don't
although perhaps not in the way that he meant it at the time. WoW players do want to go back to vanilla WoW, but they themselves don't actually understand what made the game good and successful, much of which can't be replicated 20 years later in an entirely different online society.

The only way out of this is for a team with actual talent to take the reins and go against much of what Activision-Blizzard corporate and WoW players themselves want from Classic+, which won't happen. Not only because it's unlikely, but because such a team no longer exists at Blizzard. So all you get is optimistic "vagueposting" from WoW players who don't even know what they want or why.

To me, there's basically two paths forward:
>1.) Approach the Turtle WoW team, hire them, and polish Turtle WoW into an official Blizzard product, accepting that while it's far from perfect, it will largely sate players' appetites for Classic+ especially if it's a commercially available product instead of a free fan project
This won't happen. I don't even play TWoW, by the way.
>2.) Develop a new Warcraft MMORPG that leverages the absolute dragon's hoard of player feedback that exists re: WoW and Classic WoW (opinion pieces, YouTube videos and video essays, market research,etc.) to actually address WoW's fundamental flaws and iterate on what made the game good rather than trying to replicate it
This won't happen.

>>733693191
God I fucking love Hobgoblin
don't tempt me like this

>>733687056
>2nd nostalgiabait slop
Anything but making a decent new game

It doesnt matter what they do in classic+ because ultimately all of the player base will try and speedrun to the level cap to start raidlogging.

>>733687056
It's over. Retail won

>>733705598
>what made the game good and successful
Nothing.
WoW was successful because:
1) It was fucking Warcraft. After WC3 you could get a literal piece of shit, slap "Warcraft" logo on it and sell millions.
2) 2004 was a year when internet became more accessible for many people while "talking to complete strangers online" was still a novelty.
3) MMO genre also was a novelty for most people.
4) From technical standpoint WoW was amazing - fluent responsive controls and (almost) no loading screens.
5) Game wasn't dissected and researched from head to toe by dataminers. I still remember wild theories like "you need to fish in Alcaz island at 4:44 to get a secret fish that increase droprate of loot in raids".
Meanwhile as MMORPG WoW had completely static world, linear quests, strictly vertical progression, horrible class balance with straight up dead specs, questionable itemization, no player agency and weekly raidgrind as and ultimate endgame.

>>733705775
This. I'm sure that nuBlizzard cover band will fuck it up, but even if they don't, the worst part of WoW in 2026 is the community.

>>733688663
People are retarded we know but
>Cheevos
>Non port Group Finder
Are good

>>733705931
Classic+ will undoubtedly have some sort exploit on release that massively benefits people who do it and do it early, including players who are racing for world first.

Wow addicts are really something else. Truly special kind of "people".

I just want new zones, dungeons and raid. Some balancing for dead in the water specs, get rid of world buffs and then start punching walls in all the mountains to add new interesting zones to explore. I never playd turtle wow but seeing the trailers they post for new zones makes more excited than some stupid heroic dnugeons or achivement shit.

>>733705956
No, those are for the brain-dead

>>733706820
well majority of wow players are dungeon-addicts

Guild Wars 2 but with a WoW skin. There, fixed it.

>>733706867
They shouldn't be courting the majority of wow players

project epoch addressed some or most of the concerns above
why did all you mongrels leave after getting 60 on your first character, onyxia released and the server barely goes above 100 pop on weekends

>>733706959
It didn't address high elves on alliance, which is deal breaker.

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>>733706959
>project epoch

>>733706959
Didn't they completely redesign wailing caverns?

>>733707008
good
i didn't want you here anyway

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>>733687056
end game content island that make all the other content irrelevant

it'll just be wotlk in classic
then they'll add some new zones or dungeons or something which are basically retail shit copy pasted and it'll fuck everything up

>>733706959
because epoch didnt have any fucking content thats why and the minimal content that was there was buggy and broken
>that one quest in dalaran that gave you an arcane guardian summon with 3 charges but the charges didnt consume so you had a 5k hp pet following you around from level 30
>only 4 out of the 7 sets of silithus dailies actually worked
>handful of racial questlines not working so players couldnt swap to something that made their class viable (this was advertized as a core feature of epoch)
>the only thing close to a useful racial for healers was the gnome first aid kit that gave you about half a runecloth bandage worth of hp on a 2 minute cooldown
>broken achievements that even after some of them were fixed would not award retroactively
>purple weapon quest debacle
>players randomly being given grand master profession titles despite not being realm first
>capstone questlines like cooking (recipe would not drop from tol barad boss) just not working
i 60'd my holy priest on day 8 postlaunch, got prebis'd within about 2 or 3 weeks of that and you expect me to play on a realm where the first raid was released 4 months postlaunch? lol

>>733707469
oh and to top it all off
>lead developer jumps ship over a "cease and desist" despite saying he'd ignore it and laugh literally 2 weeks prior to launch

>>733688107
phase 1 was so much fun
being a shaman tank was kino

We had this same exact conversation a million times.
Blizz' side they had so many chances to prove themselves and they failed. P.servers are just different kind of scum with chinks and russian botfarms. Then there is (You), the player who logs in with wiki on his second monitor, parsing and powerleveling dungeons, 30k bought gold, trying to win a race which ended 15 years ago. You cry for immersion, yet this is you: >>733688663

>>733687056
Blizz won't destroy it. The playerbase will. Metafags, compfags, minmaxxers, streamers etc....

>>733707710
All blizz fault.

>>733706959
Because they changed the core and TSWoW scripts all broke leading to countless bugs, and the devs bailed needing there's no development. I liked all the new content they put in, it was quite seamless in my opinion. Better than Turtle anyway, and probably better than what Blizzard could do

I'm looking forward to seeing it, doomers and gloomers can suck a fat one. At least wait until it's announced and we know what it looks like before you start feasting on dick.

>>733706959
I played on Epoch, got my fill of the custom content, and then stopped playing after the new dungeon in STV. I liked pretty much everything, bugs notwithstanding, but I'd be foolish to ignore that the server's prospects basically imploded after its disastrous launch and acquisition by Ascension.

>>733687056
>make it all about raids
>make hybrid dps do as much as pures which make hybrids unreasonably OP in all other content to the point its barely playable for non hybrids
>devs favourite class is OP and has crazy QoL stuff because lol
>phone game tier dailies you have to do or fall behind the curve

standard blizzard stuff.

>>733706959
Epoch launch was so fucking abysmal, I just gave up and went to play mop

>>733705921
>Nothing
>proceeds to list why the game is good and successful

I just want a singleplayer game that has the feel of early-mid Vanilla WoW's leveling. And no, most singleplayer RPGs fail to capture that feel.