Why /v/ always demands games to be super realistic, when left is clearly a superior way of making an enjoyable setting?
>>733695583>when left is clearly a superior way of making an enjoyable settingI agree
>>733695583>vanquish>realistic in any way
>>733697692Exactly! Vanquish is all about style and speed. Who needs realism when you have rocket slides and bullet ballet? Sometimes it's all about the fun factor.
>>733695583Left leads to retarded shit like Spiderman's radiations cancer giving balls, right leads to innocent fun sci Fi adventures that focuses on the moral and lessons and not the specifics.Right wins every time.
>>733695583>i put le mistake in for engagement bait i am le smartretard, it just derails your thread and causes people to talk about how stupid you are instead of the topic you want to discuss. I wish people would just be earnest online, it would lead to much better discussions.
>>733695583>Why /v/ always demands games to be super realisticDo we?
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>>733698107>that focuses on the moral and lessonWhat are you? In preschool? Do you still need your entertainment to teach you how to get along with other people?
>>733695583internal consistency != super realism
>>733697692The comic artist probably hasn't played the game.
>>733695583both have their place
>>733695583I think 50s-70s sci fi pulp sucks ass desu.
>>733698381Lack of morals in entertainment is the reason society is fucked todayOur mothers warned us about this 20 years ago but none of us listened
>>733695583right is all stolen from nazi crazy protytpes
Right is slopLeft is kino
>>733695583I like left more, right is ugly
>>733695583>Why /v/ always demands games to be super realisticDoes /v/ even do that though?
>>733695583Because we can appreciate the artist's understandings of how things work.The right one is for low IQ and midwits who can't even bother making stuff believable and always need to rely on magic.
>>733695583Warhammer40k is one of the most popular scifi settings out there and its all about random space magic bullshit and rule of cool
Soft sci-fi will always be superior. All hardtrash does is make the medium even less popular.
>>733695583>when left is clearlyyou mixed up left and right didn't you?
>>733695583Kinda feels like the opposite nowadays
>>733701446Sure, years of witcher 3 fags attacking all other games, for example.
>>733701597>40kNot sci-fi>Inb4 whyMagic. Anything that has magic in it(which isn't explained with techbabble) is not sci-fi. So shit like SW with Force is also not sci-fi
>>733695583Right is for retarded manchildren who prefer the "rule of cool" reddit shit
>>733695583this is clearly a cope by the artist
>>733698026You missed the part where you can smoke a cigarette and toss it to get all the robots to instantly change their attention to the discarded cigarette as you jump out and blast em.
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>>733695583Left killed sci-fi, and by extent people's interest in final frontier. For that alone it deserves endless mockery.
>>733695583>a furfag>/v is always demanding realismOP it's been nearly 20 years since super-robo or retro scifi were even momentary relevant.
>this dogshit thread again
>>733700572holy retard how is it to be the dumbest fucking person in 200 meter radius?
>>733695583it might be shocking, but science has evolved since the first scifi story. in response, scifi stories have changed due to greater accessibility to scientific advancements, mainly driven by the core audience ans their great interest in science, particularly new and bleeding ege advancements
>>733701697funny thing is, they brought in a few advisors from NASA when making spacecraft for 2001 Space OdesseyHowever, they still made the designs memorable
Star Trek making normies think that technology is magic had even more of a negative impact on cultural zeitgeist than even Sex and the City.
>>733702506unironically true, but too limited. it’s all cultural institutions, of which entertainment is a part
>>733702784>zeitgeistGo back
>>733695583Contrarianism got too far, there's no way in hell anyone actually thinks right is better than left
>>733697692Compared to star trek? Very much so
>>733702839nah, the issue is not that we are not programming kids enough, the issue is that jews and foids are the one who are programming kids so they are programming them with gay shit such as hating violence, loving niggers and not wanting babies if your take in year of lord 2026 is "we need more programming" you are actually, genuinely dumb
>>733695583Left is better.
>>733703302better programming, yeah
>>733695583I don't mind either.The only problem is when something that is meant to just be cool, completely unrealistic but takes itself too seriously when it's simply wrong.Gonna piss off morons but look at Lord of the Rings.It's simply a cool story and setting, none of the timelines, battles or anything makes sense. And that's fine, it's an amazing adventure story with a cool backdrop. But the Tolkien Estate has taken it too seriously and it's taken too seriously by fans.The same can be said for many other books, movies and video games. They get milked and the way they milk them is by taking them too seriously.
>>733702506He is completely correct
>>733695583Actually its more like :Old : nothing exists thats how i imagined itNow : omg I love star treck and star was i made all my art inspired by it. And heroic fantasy is even worse with all creatures of D&D monster manual being "the only canon"
>>733695583What a retarded memeMechs are not realistic but are cool when have some thought behind it
>>733695583Left relies too hard on established technological design principles while still trying to make nonviable technology like mechs work. Right makes for better sci-fi, because it isn't so tied to current principles of science and instead asks what if. Plus while the concepts are wacky a lot of the "fantastic future" 50's magazine art is actually attempting to illustrate a concept of the future while the left is bogged down in genre conventions.
>>733695583>Sci fi then
>>733703532Opposite is true though
>>733695583>le realismcringe.
>>733703264Star Trek is a strange combination of space magic and rigidly enforced technical hyper-autism to keep the technology and how it works within the setting incredibly internally consistent across decades of TV shows being written by a hundred different people. (Or at least it was before JJ Trek and everything that came after it, anyway.)
>>733695583that's literally the exact opposite of the truth. the og scifi dsesigners all had engineering and automotive backgrounds
>>733695583>I'm an artist not an engineer Aka s shit artist Evo doesn't care for his art. Real artists research subject they do art for on jighel level then>Lol,lmao blinky light goes brr
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>>733695583The problem with Sci-fi art now is that all concept artists went to literally the same design school so literally everything looks the same now, doesn't matter if it's Star Trek, Star Wars, Dune, Halo, Mass Effect etc, it all looks completely interchangeable, it's fucking awful.
>>733695583Why not both?
>>733700572Depends on the moral of the story. If the moral is "racism bad" then its virtue signalling.
>>733706751>message older than civilization>virtue signallingFucking retard
>>733706927>pre-civilization humans weren't racially exclusionaryCan this even be called bait? Did you try?
i appreciate and prefer technical design based on real machines and conceptsotherwise you get nonsensical guns like in fallout 3-nv-4 among other things
>>733706927Why yes, the Paleolithic people are not at all well known for murdering the shit out of each-other over tribal differences.
>>733700572Personally I think it's the lack of morals in real life.
>>733707169I suggest ECT to treat your tism.
>>733698381Why do you think people create media? It’s always to impart their worldview onto others.
>>733704579>Just a big power rangerThese are the most braindead mech design everArmored core and front mission are a better example of good mech design
>>733706751Racism is bad though
>>733698381>Being this newMajority of the world needs divine tard wrangler and the threat of eternal suffering after death to keep their pathetic impulses in check
>>733704579youve never read the artbooks have you
>>733707003Civilization didn't exist until Christianity and one of the core messages of it is anti-racism so he's spot on
The purpose of sci-fi is to explore questions related to the advancement of technology.It's not about how technology will exactly advance.As long as the effects of the technology in sci-fi are the same as real life future tech it doesn't matter if they look or function the same.The focus is the moral and practical questions of what advancement means for humans. How will life be affected, what does will it mean for us.Realism isn't a bad thing in that regard, because it keeps sci-fi authors thinking about what will actually change, rather than going to fantasyland. But too much focus on realism risks staying too close to current day tech and becoming simple commentary on current technology and what it currently means for us, which is not sci-fi.You can't have sci-fi without tackling questions or problems we don't yet have.
internet spreads ideas so what worked in the past would get a lot of people commenting on forums "wow this artist is just retarded" but the artists have more resources for references and distilled information about different topics so they just need to match their audiences level when they design stuf
>>733707246>power rangerButchered Super Sentai?
>>733695583Pointless controversy. I like both.
I still want a serious sci-fi tactical shooter but with the atom/raygun sci-fi aesthetic. Guy with a spacesuit with rings on the shoulders and a big bubble helmet with a fin on it leading a raid of similarly clothed dudes who are all hanging off a spaceship that looks like a vespa with a rocket nozzle instead of wheels, all of them armed with guns that have more ribbing than a condom factory, and it's all played completely straight
>>733695583In what sort of alternate fucking reality did this image exist? Hard sci-fi is very much a thing that occured mostly in the past, modern sci-fi either takes those conventions for granted or doesn't care for it whatsoever
>>733695583Not a problem in project Nortubel
>Shit OP>Trying to stir shitNothing new. Anyway, time to image dump sci-fi art
>>733708508>these legsModern bioware level of bad
>>733695583left is better
>>733707003>pre-civilization humans weren't racially exclusionaryPre-civilization humans weren't even fucking SPECIES exclusionary since its 100% confirmed they fucked neanderthalsRacism is not something built into people no matter how hard you try its literally only a North American thing
>>733708564>rocketbots roping cucks and whores Incredibly base.
Some robots are chill
Other times they are heroic and def not as retarded as me.
>>733695583>when left is clearly a superior way of making an enjoyable setting?Glad we agree for once OP!
>>733701610star wars ís about as soft as it gets and you can get a library's worth of left-side style design sketches
>>733702379God I miss this artstyle in anime
Sometimes robotos are used for ethical dilemmas
I prefer when sci-fi goes supernatural like Twilight Zone>aliens show up>they call us stupid and leaveThat happens in MULTIPLE EPISODES lmao. The government really wanted people to stop fighting and being racist back then, every time they call us stupid it’s because of that lmfao
>ermm AKSHUALLY there's no sound in space and cavemen didn't ride dinosaurs, sweaty
>>733701610People prefer soft in general. Look at all the biggest fantasy series and they all follow soft magic logic.
Sometimes the laws are flawed
The problem with trying to overexplain the details in sci-fi is that it usually only leads to more questions. And in most cases it deals with technology far above out current understanding, so trying to use modern conveniences of technology to explain inner workings of AM from IHNMAIS or mechanisms behind Hyperion's Shrike is kinda silly.
>>733695583this is such a dumb image because it pretends like 50's low effort slob was peak scifi, instead of being just that pure slobit was a bastardization of earlier scifi works which were actually well thought out, but instead they took the aesthetic of earlier works with an absolute minimum of effort
>>733709315The modern glorification of the pulp era really is quite baffling
Some robots contemplate their existence, or just laze in the sun
>>733709315>earlier scifi worksfrankenstein or metropolis was realistic?
>>733709406it's honestly not that baffling, pulp is a visual artist's wet dream, it's pure style no substance, they can simply draw anything and justify it's existence then simply default to "it's not meant to be deep" as an excuse when someone critiques their writing it's also easy to market, because of pretty visuals, and easy to get investors and hollywood and what not on board with itIt also calls people back to a "simpler time" disparaging works with more effort put into it as pure performative All in all, pulp is the easiest genre to make something for, that's why there's glorification for it, when in fact most scifi pulp had the writing and depth of a Bayformer movie without any of it's advanced in filmmaking technology
>>733709664Yeah, you're probably right. It's funny though because whenever classic pulp stories are brought to the modern age like that John Carter of Mars movie, they flop horribly because now everyone can tell how little there is to them
>>733709474Did I say realistic?Frankenstein is a well thought out work because it actively engages with the speculation and questions it poses, it tries to get into the mindset of what sort of person tries to make an artificial being, and what sort of person would this artificial being actually beFrankenstein the book is not 50's slob, 50's slob Frankenstein is the shuffling retard with bolts sticking out the side of it's head that completely disregards the character study of the original And if you want an example of an early scifi pioneer who actively engages with the speculative science of what he's writing about I can only direct you to Jules Verne 20,000 leagues under the sea examines what at that point was a scifi concept, the submarine, and tries to imagine how such a thing would work, and what the implications of it's existence would be, and it actually at times comes very close, after all, it predicted submarines being used for trade interdiction
>>733698381Anon there's like 60,000 sci fi stories on the ethical and logical issues of trying to make AI, yet here we are pushing for a worthless technology that somehow ended up being worse and more retarded than all these stories foretold.
>Hard sci-fiI can't think of a single genre that represents reddit more. It's quintessential, stereotype made reality.
>>733709823alternatively, a pulp story can be reexamined and actually given the depth it deserves, such as say, The Thing, where nearly everything interesting about it comes from the 1982 movie rather than the 1950's pulp story
>>733698381Unironically, yes
>>733709959Sure, but at that point you're focusing on the least pulp-y aspect of the story
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>>733709209X-Files were also superior sci-fi.
>>733709912hard scifi is too much effort for redditif anything pulp is more their style, it's the style of self professed artists
>>733709883>reading 20k leagues>book sounds like it’s describing a nuclear reactorkino!
>>733708613brown detected
>>733710306it's really fascinating because it still is a coal engine, but Verne acknowledges the limitations of coal in terms of use as a fuel for submarines and because there was no way for him to predict nuclear energy instead he ends up describing a futuristic coal engines where the flaws that prevent it from being used on a submarine are solvedwhich in turn like you said, makes it sound like a nuclear engine to the modern audience
>>733698381Nigger why the fuck do you read at all?Can you even fucking read you mong?
