just beat this game and im confused about the plot. What did this guy want exactly? What was his plan? He wants all americans to play college baseball in texas or something?
>>733699325doesn't matter. he gets mogged by evrart
>>733699442havent played this game its really ugly visually. wanna let me know the context??
To make the mother of all omelettes.
>>733699687was the omelette code for something else?
>>733699526https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzsgHXl1gS0
>>733699526Fat fuck union fucker with 1000 CHA that has the entire city in the palm of his hand because he's fucking fat and has 1000 CHA.
>>733699847hes big boned anon not fat
what he should have wanted was lewds of sunny
>>733699325WAR. Preferably a war that never ends because he's the "war is the best thing ever" guy.
>>733699325If you to date your neighbor's daughter but they don't approve of the relationship, you could walk over and "wage your own war" against them and then when you won, you could date the neighbor's daughter.
>>733700430It's not just about war. We had endless war in MGS4. It fucking sucked. No the goal with Armstrong is that war can have an actual winner. People "fighting for what they believe in" even if what they believe in is power for power's sake without pesky laws barring you from doing what you want or needing to convince people to give you permission to inflict your will on their lives. Also known as a warlord. Like the devil feeding you candy with one hand and taking your insulin with the other, Raiden calls him out on his hypocrisy. He says he's doing this for the people but he doesn't know shit about the people. He's never tasted desperate. He's never had to kill or steal just to have the privilege to survive. He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, he's the dude with the skateboard saying "hello fellow kids!" But he is charismatic and he speaks with conviction. And even if Raiden is right in that he's an ignorant hypocrite, at the barest minimum he believes his own bullshit.
>>733699325He wanted to end the "war as a business" and gay PMCs created by the patriots so people would fight for their own beliefs instead of for money or on others' behalfUltimately he wanted some pseudo-anarchy where the strong fight to enforce their own beliefs and purge the weak
>>733699325Revengeance's plot is kinda stupid anyway
>>733700749sounds like shit written by a highschooler getting into sociopolitical bullshit
>>733699325ancap"topia"
>>733699325>if everyone kills each other there will be no more conflict I'm so le based, Jack, and not at all just another stupid extremist
The strong should be allowed to rule through might, and not through systems he thinks only benefit the weak, when in reality it was the system that got him there in the first place.
>>733699325his stance was might makes right and he thought he was the top dog.turns out he wasnt.but of course his philosophy ended up being right because only the truly powerful are sovereign. raiden just use his top dog status to reject his rape or get raped concept for the general populace.
>>733701616/v/ is mentally stuck in high school, so it's right up our alley.
>>733699325Collapse America and hope something better comes out of the ashes.
>>733699325His plan isn't that deep or complex, but a lot of people are overly reductionist or just don't get it. Basically he wants a civil war. Even after the Patriots fell the systems they created were too entrenched, and the American government kept following their plans. So here Armstrong comes to be the guy starting a forest fire to clear out the old growth. His idea of strength isn't just physical strength, but more strength of will and charisma. He's a strong believer in will to power and the great man of history, he sees himself as one of them, and he hopes that once America is burned to ash, either he or whoever succeeded in the end will be there to rebuild it better.
>>733699325He was batshit insane exactly as Raiden said, because what he wanted made zero sense. He was tired of the present world in which hard working people were very rarely rewarded with the power in life to reflect their efforts, and instead pretty much had to do as they were told by higher ups (from their own mangers in their own jobs up to the politicians running the country up to the president of America). He hated that these higher ups were probably in no position to be telling others what to do as they were probably weak in mind and body. He hated all the systems in place that made it so that in all likelihood a weak person who doesn't work hard will have a powerful position and will often be in control of millions of hard working people in weak positions. That this creates a disgusting 'war as a business' reality is just one of Armstrong's many problems. Overall a perfectly good thing to have thought a lot about and have serious problems with. On the smallest scale, probably everyone can relate to having been treated badly at work by a dipshit middle manager who has no idea what he's doing but gets paid and respected more than you. Armstrong's solution, however? An absolutely batshit insane state of complete and total anarchy where might simply makes right and everyone can take what they want as long as they are stronger than who they are taking from. He wants us to revert back to a state even more primitive than chimpanzees, for whom might does largely make right but the importance of cooperation and forming social bonds is still understood. The world Armstrong is describing couldn't even last for more than a week. He may have plans to keep alive everyone needed to maintain and run things whom he considers strong but it doesn't mean someone stronger than him would. His bones to pick are good which makes him compelling, but his solution is absurd. Which also makes him compelling.
>>733699325He's a libertarian, but without the retarded NAP shit. Basically, he wants people to have unlimited power to murder each other for personal gain until only the strongest remain.
>>733707362The thing with Armstrong is that his ideology is simply deranged. It's a mix of actual, legitimate critiques of liberal consumer culture, and rejections of literal fundamental axioms of human social behaviour. Presented in a way that fails to distinguish between the two whatsoever. And even the actual critiques are being made from a completely bizarre direction that makes their correctness only skin deep. Like someone saying "we need to do something about air pollution" and then following it up with "it's making people's livers taste awful."
>>733699325He's a libertarianSo yeah his motivations make no sense
>>733700749>>733699325He didnt have a specific government or future in mind, he was just saying he believes you should kill anything in your way if you can, and that that’s what he’s doing
20 replies and all of them explain his motives differently from one anotherMaybe you guys just fell for the good old jewish trick of explaining a whole bunch of something while sounding smart & complicated but has no real substance
>>733699325He wanted america to be ancapistan without the NAP because he thought he'd be the most might makes right out of everybody.He claimed to be tired of political bullshit so he wanted a world where every single person lives by whatever laws they want. This idea is only interesting in the context that Raiden single-handedly killed like 5000 mercenary cops and got away with it in chicago or whatever and could toss metal gears into the air. Because otherwise any established military force just wins and puts you under their laws.
>>733699847Thanks, reddit.
>>733707696Yes.The truth is writer intended him to be an delusional rich kid who never got punched in his face (without nanomachines) and thinks he is qualified to judge the weak only to get humbled by an actual strong who is in the know about childsoldier stuff unlike armweak retard who is so knee deep in delusion he convinced himself stealing childrens' brain is okay because it justifies ends or something (cope)
>>733707541He's not so much a parody of a specific ideology as he is a parody of American obsession with the idea of rugged individualismFor example, he wants people to fight wars "not for money, not for oil, but for what they believe!", when obviously if anybody could enter other countries and declare war you'd just have companies invading sovereign nations for profit. Armstrong is delusional, he wants Americans to have the same ability to impose their will on the world as when the country was still expanding westward. He believes great individuals will rise up and fight for their beliefs, that, by eradicating all legal barriers, people with strong wills will no longer be stuck fighting other people's wars but will instead fight to create the world as they wish to see it. In reality of course this extreme social darwinism would just cause companies to take over again, but Armstrong is out of touch and insane, and thinks people like Raiden, who are strong but born into poverty, will be the ones to steer the world, that he is bringing freedom to people like Raiden by giving them an avenue to claim power for themselves.
>>733707923Well, that's the reason why he was so invested in the cyborg tech and nanomachines. It meant that the average person would be just as strong as most weapons in the world, so being able to go full one man army like Raiden would be actually viable and allow for his type of political and social world.
>>733699325He's an anarcho-terrorist who wants PMCs to balkanize America into Somalia under the guise of "freedom" and "law of the strongest lol"
>>733699325"Rule of the strong" mascarading as "Fight for your believes" so that current status of America could stop mascarading as benevolent nation. Retarded believe that would lead to military junta tribalism with only plus that the goverment is open about its militaristic ambitions instead of playing around with politics.
Surely ANYONE can be the strongest if they can afford to get themselves pumped up with magic superman nanomachines
>>733709660Luck is a factor in resources and resources is a factor in strength.True strength is not fair or honorable, it just is. Wonder how a conversation between Armstrong and Yujiro would go.
>>733709928By that logic, Armstrong should be totally fine with The Patriots. After all Major Zero tricked the entire world into fighting itself using AI to filter information that would guide public perceptions and outrage along controllable paths. Whether you call it underhanded or not, it worked and is therefore legitimate. But I don't think that's what Armstrong meant during his will to power speech.
>>733710141I mean, he could agree with their methods but still see them as enemies if their goals for global supremacy collide.>mfw I should play MGS 1 to 4 to know what I'm talking about
he only puts his plan for the strong to rule over the weak in place after he gave himself the most blatantly unfair advantage in a competition of strength possible, purely through nepotism, and despite that still manages to losefor fucks sake, we're talking about a guy who bragged about playing college football to an actual god damn child soldier, but because he said it with barest hint of charisma retards lap it up as if it was something badass to say
>>733699325He wanted people to kill each other over stupid shit not because the AI God told them too. He's like the Anti Boss
>>733707362>>733707541Nonsense. Anarchy does not turn people into mindless killers. There would be chaos, sure, but at least 90% of the AMERICAN population is reasonable. Reasonable enough that, after they've lynched all the petty criminals and chickenshit lawyers, there would be little need for law remaining. Not like any law made by man couldn't be subverted by evil people to begin with, which is how people like Armstrong and Raiden are created. They wouldn't exist if the system didn't already fail. Whatever good system you got in life, it was created by good people. Destroying the system does not destroy good people, but it can be the only way remaining to empower them.Armstrongs plan wouldn't work in places like the Congo or Haiti where they still eat children because they "taste good", but then again, absolutely nothing works there anyway. If psychopaths can survive and thrive only because of the law, then the law is evil.
>>733710141>>733710735He does say everybody is a "son of the patriots" now, so he at least respected the hustle.
>>733711747the US cuts part of kids dicks off, they absolutely do not have the level of cultural reason to avoid devolving into violence, they're barbarians at their core
>ARMSTRONG!This game is so kino
>>733709928Armstrong is weak. He literally doesn't know anything about fighting and thought he could just manhandle Jack into submission with his nanomachine gimmick. Don't think Yujiro would respect anything about him and then decide to complain about US politicians being shit at their job as usual.
>>733712387But... he almost played football!
"Make everything worse and it will somehow get better" people need to jump into lava. Raiden was right that Armstrong had no idea what it was truly like to live in such shit conditions.
>>733708372Counterpoint:Revengeance takes place after the entire world has learned that the United States had been controlled by an artificial intelligence network established during the Cold War and nearly became a global hegemony without the average person even knowing it was happening. While there are many things to be critical about when it comes to Armstrong, it was not a parody of rugged individualism. Someone like Armstrong is the exact kind of natural reactionary that would emerge from the ashes of MGS4. Armstrong's fault, beyond putting kids' brains in jars, is that his reaction to nearly being dominated by an artificial system without his consent was so extreme it was going to push the world into the first war, now featuring nuclear weapons and mechanical automatons, without the Patriot AI's safety mechanisms activated to control human engagement.
>>733699325You can't be this obliviousArmstrong wanted "power to the person"akaLawless power to the rich/powerfulHe hated bureucracy, politics and weakness, he wants a world ruled by the strong, like nature "intended".Sounds good on paper, but in practice it just means the evil rich just take advantage of the poor, and birth & status make sure that the "strong" will forever remain uncontested by anyone besides themselves.In a world of Armstrong's vision, they (the rich and powerful) alone will rule large tribes of slaves and robots, while the peasants will never be a threat to them, and the peasant's only hope is that the powerful eat each other so they can get the scraps.Basically a hellish landscape of endless conflict and tribalism
>>733712958Careful anon, if you tell scientologists that they will actually do it.
>>733699325He played college ball, ya know...
>>733712958>Raiden was right that Armstrong had no idea what it was truly like to live in such shit conditions.>>733713036>it was going to push the world into the first war, now featuring nuclear weapons and mechanical automatons, without the Patriot AI's safety mechanisms activated to control human engagement.thesearmstrong didnt have a clue what he was actually getting himself into
>>733712387it's also reflected into his combat "style" if you can even call it thathe fights like a retard because he can get away with fighting like a retard by virtue of his hyper advanced nanomachines, he has a crapload of openings and unforced errors during his boss battle and yes I take this as intentional because before him you fight Sam who is the complete and utter opposite, you actually have to claw your way into openings against him because Sam actually knows how to fight
>>733710141Yes, he actually did like the patriots
>>733701161Literally the only good plot in the series
He was a guy who grew tired of how fake & built on lies & manipulation democracy is. return to warlords, return to strength & conviction ruling the world. No more Forever Wars pushed by weaklings who'd never fight in them. LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THESE FOREARMS.
>>733700749>Raiden calls him out on his hypocrisy. He says he's doing this for the people but he doesn't know shit about the people.Except Raiden also proves him right and he dies happily. Raiden started off as a nobody, a literal child soldier with no money.And yet he's the most powerful single force on the planet.If Raiden can do it, anybody can. Armstrong is just tired of literal 'gibsmedat' mentality overtaking actual progress.
>>733714153This is the point everyone seems to somehow forget. Armstrong dies, but he "won". Raiden inherits Armstrong's will. Raiden loses the "protector of the weak" lie he was selling his PMC with, but also gets over being Jack the Ripper by creating a daring synthesis of both.The after-credits cut scene is Jack forcing "bad dudes" to actually face the conclusion of the practices they preach, and it scares everyone shitless.
>>733714153Raiden would literally be the first person to acknowledge he got a ton of help, that the only reason he managed to become the man he is at the time of MGR is because others were there for him when he needed themRaiden absolutely knows what "anyone can do it" is bullshit, he couldn't do it by himself either
>>733714374Armstrong didn't win, Raiden actively goes out of his way to provide charity for the kids Armstrong thought were weak disposable materials that deserved only to die to make him the top dog, Armstrong would have hated Raiden for doing that
>>733714418willpower doesnt have a price tag, dawgit wasnt ever about just physical strengthdont get faded by armstrongs thighs
>>733714418I would also like to bring up that when Raiden tried to do it by himself, he got conned by Alexa and Grok. There's a reason "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" was an idiom meant to describe an impossible task. No one can lift themselves up by their bootstraps, it's like lifting yourself on a chair you're sitting in. At some point you'll need to collaborate with others to accomplish tasks that are bigger than you which means finding compromises and shared interests. Because if Raiden tried to strong arm Solid fucking Snake into anything because he's such an alpha, the only thing that's going to happen is he's going to get his teeth kicked in.
>>733714494>>733714602Randianism just falls short of realizing that altruism is the ultimate form of domination. The idea that altruism only exists because their is a selfish reward is incapable of comprehending the idea that altruism is the manifestation of absolute power over someone else. One of the best examples of this in the real world is the US donating so heavily to third-world shitholes. The US does this to assert dominance over said shitholes because the US can afford to waste money and the shitholes can't afford to refuse the "generosity".Taking care of an orphan is basically the same principal. You're reminding that little shit that you control them because they can't fend for themselves, so when they get uppity you have the freedom to assert your dominance and force them to comply with whatever you want.
>>733699325>What did this guy want exactly?No more hand-wringing talking heads having the run of things! People fight for what they believe in and take what's theirs with strength and will!>Is already a gazillionaire warlord who dished out on a private army and personal mech and nanomachines and...
>>733714514Raiden didn't get to be where he is on pure willpower either, he had friends, loved ones, people who were there for him when he needed them
>>733699325Kojima unironically believes that you can have a positive effect from chinas Cultural Revolution. They want to have a global shake up just to have a shake up to make sure nobody is getting comfortable. That was the plot of every single metal gear game.
>>733714514>forgets the "you were the lightning in that storm" talk with snake
>>733700384Smh, she shaves her armpits, you can tell her mother didnt raise her.
>>733700384>>733714865I don't think 10 year-old girls get underarm hair, unless they're Mexican.
>>733714689What kind of psychopath lunacy is this? The problem with overseas forever wars comes from Woodrow Wilson's policies of going into shitholes and teaching the savages about the shining city that is America, instead of going in, doing what you need to do, and then fucking off. Good job with the War on Terrorism by the way. The problem isn't the concept of altruism rather the concept of going somewhere to change the hearts and minds of people who sincerely do not give a shit about you or your values. So you end up throwing all your resources into a black hole, I say resources because the person giving the orders are not the ones actually going there and coming home to be denied care for the afflictions suffered while they were on ground. Feeding the hungry is altruism. Going into foreclosure because you won't stop feeding the hungry is foolishness.
>>733699325>autistic chud roids up and goes into politics
this kid had more balls than Armstrong, just putting it out there
>>733714971That's exactly my point. You give of yourself to assert dominance over others to the point where they become reliant on you, while having the strength to take from others without their consent to remain independent. No one can be free from the necessities of food, water, and shelter, so it's not a "flaw" to get hungry and need to take someone else's food, nor is it a hole in the philosophy's weakness.One of the worst perspectives is the idea that having no money means someone is incapable of doing anything. You could have a negative bank account and be hunted by bounty collectors, but that wouldn't prevent you from going to McDonald's and stealing someone's Happy Meal, nor is it a weakness to have stolen someone's food when you didn't have the money to pay for it. The strength is taking what isn't yours and not getting stopped. The weakness is if you went to a soup kitchen and humbly asked the nun for a bowl of soup and some bread. The former shows strength. The latter shows submission.Shitholes in Central and South America, the Caribbean, the Middle East, and Africa are dependent upon the US' donations. The wars against US domination are specifically driven because they are pathetic losers trying to prove they don't need handouts when, surprise surprise, they didn't have the strength to survive when invaded. I don't know why you brought any of that up when we weren't talking about that at all.Let me try putting it another way: Men like you ask for consent. Men like me don't.
>>733715262>Let me try putting it another way: Men like you ask for consent. Men like me don't.woa woa we have a badass overhere everyone, watch out he has a katana he practiced hundreds of minutes with
>>733715314I accept your concession, sweetheart.
>>733715314I put on smooth jazz because it makes me shoot better.
>>733715337you accept? I thought you didn't need consent, shouldn't you have taken that concession? did you just accept a handout?
>>733715440its a meme you dip
>>733715545so you're not only accepting handouts but you're also a follower rather than a leaderyou should be making your own memes not mindlessly adopting other people's memes
>>733715642how about "piece of shit"is that a meme?
>>733715798yes it is, listen more to Monsoon next time
>>733700384Come here for this. Thanks basedman.
>>733715262>Shitholes in Central and South America, the Caribbean, the Middle East, and Africa are dependent upon the US' donationsNah, not really. Lots of those places were just fine on their own and, in the case of some south american places like Brazil and Argentina, thriving without US support. Argentina was richer than the US in 1899.The US just has this mind virus and obssession in having their markets also be ideologically aligned with them so they sell themsevles this idea that they are strong for providing for other people the american ideals when the american ideals just recently even managed to keep itself at the top AFTER all the other major competing countries basically destroyed themselves with WW2.In fact, your whole ideology and model is crumbling before your eyes because China is just fine making business with countries that don't share their ideologies and political standards as long as they don't fuck around with Chinese politics themselves. Africa, South America and the Middle East are all happily trading with China now that the US is just going full retard.You are the fuckers that sabotage and beat the shit out of other smaller countries and then "humbly" provide support because you want those people to be dependent on you and will go on shitfits and more sabotages to make sure they remain dependent on you.
>>733716306do NOT research how much debt the continent of africa owes china as part of the belt and road initiative
>>733699325He's a radical anarchist who wants to dismantle the MIC using the MIC and who also wants to smash state bureaucracy to the level of total anarchy, rule only by the strong and persuasive.
>>733716701>dismantle the MIC using the MICTHAT"S IT. GIVE ME THE MIC. *CANS.WAV* GIVE ME THE MIC!!!!!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWNAwW3AUV0
>>733715798If you've resorted to this you've lost
Both Raiden and Armstrong want the same thing. A free world where the systems that victimize the masses do not exist or exist at the sufferance of people who will stop them whenever they overstep. The difference is is that Armstrong accepts crushing a lot of weak people to get there while Raiden, having lived that nightmare, doesn't want it for anyone else and doesn't accept a man that tells him it's ultimately a good thing. In the end Raiden comes down to the same argument as Armstrong: do what I want or I'll murder you. And that's exactly what he does. And Armstrong is happy with it because he believes his own conviction will, in some way, live on in the better man.
>>733700749He doesn't intend to start a war. That would involve planning and giving orders. He wants everyone else to fuck off so he can do what he wants. If elected president, any annoying person can be legally beaten to death.
He’s a populist. His ideas don’t need to make sense, just sound big and grand a le cool. It’s how 90% of Latin American leaders and people like Trump get power.
This nigga thinks mgs has a point hahaha
>>733717174This. Armstrong, while privileged enough to be part of the elite, despises the idea of a world order controlled by the elite. However, the world is still under the influence of the elite (patriots) despite them being dead. So Armstrong, using Accelerationist thinking, decides to create a justification for a war to use and destroy the elite's control in America by destroying everything. He does this because he believes that the people who survive will create a better future (AKA might makes right).
>>733714494Armstrong wins in that he seems to sincerely believe Raiden's will to power makes anything he does correct. He laments that war as a business isn't right in the chopping block but he believes (and is right) that Raiden will continue to do what he thinks is right and destroy anything that gets in his way. "Follow your will and destroy anything that doesn't yield" is the core of what he professes to believe, and considering he dies happy, I'd say what he actually does believe.
>>733699325He's a rich sycophant who was bored because he never had to truly suffer in life but believed he had, driving him to try and up-end the system for no reason other than his own concept of 'strength'. He was a delusional hypocrite with a half-right that went off the deep end and was easily dismantled under simple scrutiny.Raiden flat out calls him out on this but Armstrong is so deluded that he thinks Raiden's just agreeing with him in a roundabout way.
>>733714374>>733717632"PMCs are in demand once again.">Fighting for reasons they don't understand, causes they don't believe in...- Raiden, while wearing a suit like Armstrong in the endingFunny, this leads into the next(not chronologically but by release) Metal Gear game, Phantom Pain. Which is all about a world full of PMCs, including yours.
You know, every single boss in the game has a lietmotif that literally nakedly explains their motives. Armstrong even gets two, one for his fake persona when he's shit testing Raiden, and one for when he's being himself (arguably shared with Raiden, since the characters are deliberately intended to be compared in their methods and reasoning).
>The Boss's dying philosophy is that War is terrible and the Philosophers are using it for profit by hiding behind nationalism, making them the ultimate evil that drives people to their deaths in pointless wars>Big Boss interprets this as "People whould be free to wage wars for themselves" which naturally is fucking wrong>The Patriots follow the Philosophers' example, now using technology to manufacturer new wars to sacrifice soldiers in for profits>Ocelot doesn't care about the Patriots or the Boss, only Big Boss, which ultimately leads to the Patriots' destruction and the end of the Boss' legacy>Armstrong attempts to revive the Patriots not for profit but for political power, regressing to the ideas of the Philosphers' which can't stand for itself in the modern age of information
>>733713495I actually had to learn parry on Sam fight.
>>733717976To this day, there are still a total of about 6000 nukes on Phantom Pain servers
just another based super killer trying to take down the illuminati, and raiden just has to make sure that doesn't happen AGAIN because it worked so well last time
Big guy reminds me of what I thought my dad was like when I was 4, so he is automatically right about everything. End of story.
>>733717837>He's a rich sycophantYou don't know what a sycophant is
>>733718518The final battle song is meant for Raiden. He's just become so similar to Armstrong that it mostly applies either way.
>>733699325In the MG universe war has become even more fake and gay than it usually is, with people fighting and dying for literally nothing but a paycheckHe's trying to use the threat of terrorism to become elected president so that he can put an end to the global PMC industry and allow people to fight for their own reasons instead
>>733715262Based and correct.If you're not making everyone suck your balls, there's no actual point to having a state. Might as well live in villages like a bunch of ancommies.
>>733714374He actively still protects the weak. None of his actions change. At best, his mentality switches from thinking of himself as an honorable samurai to understanding he just kills whoever he doesn't like. He's been doing that all game, by the way.
>>733720901It's too late Raiden, the cinematography has already depicted me as the tragic mentor, and you as the worthy successor
>>733718890The intention is to learn by Monsoon since he teleports around and has gigantic blockable attacks. I guess the game is easy enough that you can ignore most of that, especially if you're using items constantly.
>>733720752He literally says, and I quote >The weak will be purged and the strongest will thrive - free to live as they see fit, they'll make America great again!Really cool except for anyone who doesn't want to live in fucking Somalia. How is this different from living in Detroit between rival gangs gunning each other down in the street. It sounds good when you say the strong can fight for what they believe but strong happens when "what they believe" is that they should be allowed to fuck your 6 year old daughter then eat her flesh like jerky? According to Armstrong, this is just as valid as someone arguing for cheaper gas because the only qualifier for whose ideas are valid is how strong you are. You're basically either fighting your way to the top of the totem pole or hoping to God your dictator is a benevolent one. There's a reason why we got away from social darwinism, most people don't want to play IRL Fortnite their whole lives.
>>733721379You're right anon, we should simply be happy that today some other town was organized to be obliterated just to add several cents to some PMC's spreadsheet, not your ownMuch more cordial when things work this way
>>733699325He's just a villain made by mixing some charismatic positions like hating '90s style US patriotism and the media with internet Nietzsche and lolbertarian positions to be hated. It's not coherent as a whole.
Might may not make right but weakness makes you wrong every time no matter what you say.
>>733699325I HAVE A DREAM>What?!THAT ONE DAY, NO MAN IN THIS GREAT NATION WILL EVER STOP PLAYING COLLEGE BALL
>>733721671Why does it have to be all or nothing with you people. If I say>social darwinism is dangerous and will make things worse for everyoneThat does not mean>everything is fine and fighting nothing wars manufactured by literal AI is fineWhat it does mean is come up with something that doesn't require the average person to bring a bulletproof vest to work. Wait shit, going to work means acquiescing to an employer and therefore is not enforcing your will on the world around you. Guess we're either going back to subsistence farming or becoming actual bandits.
>>733721986Put simply, I would rather the people that I despise were destroyed utterly than have something good happen to me or anyone I like, because there's more of them than me + people that I like so the total value of their destruction exceeds the total of our lives.Hope that clears things up for you.
>>733721986Damn we should simply get rid of the bad things deeply ingrained in the economy and culture with tendrils reaching into every factor of daily life without causing any kind of upheaval why didn't I think of that
>>733717632But thats just a foregone conclusion.Only the one who has the power to enforce his will gets to decide how society gets to be.That was the case before Armstrong started doing his thing too. Armstrong just wanted his rape world fantasy while Raiden defended something closer to the status quo.I mean this rule of society isnt that obvious to everybody anymore, we have seen that from recent real life political examples where morons were crying about the venezuelan boss just getting yoink'd at night because muh sovereign state but at the end of the day only the strong get to decide whats acceptable or not.
>>733722304In Armstrong's world, the meme would be set free.
>>733721379He's the villain on purpose. It's easy to agree with him about the evils of war for money, celebrity tabloids and shit like that. The problem is his solution involves lawless anarchy. Raiden even follows most of it, he just takes issue with the plan.
>>733700384never noticed the philanthropy logo on her pants
>>733722879yeah, they could have easily reinterpreted a lot of his dialog to not just immediately tear off into purging the weak. He could have said shit like "institutions that cultivate weakness must be ended!" and it would have the same internet nietzsche content without implying a holocaustbut he's the guy you kill at the end of the game so that's a feature not a bug
MGR is a mediocre game with a garbage story.
>>733699325Annihilate the military industrial complex while turning the world into a neo-feudalist hellhole. Really, he’s just a sidegrade.
>>733723206Nah, it's a fantastic game with a great story. You're a faggot (and probably a kojimadrone)
Anarchy, no matter how he talks around it, what he describes is anarchy, if he actually wants that I'm not too sure.He acts like America would still be like a functional country if everybody does what they want and "fight their own wars"
>>733699325he wanted a planetary-scale darwin football match to determine who get to live
>>733699325>What did this guy want exactly?
>>733723076They had a few minutes to explain why you're chopping him up. His intention was openly to kill anyone he wanted, and his presidential actions would make that legal. He doesn't care about the weak. In his mind, if they were right, they would win.
>Guy says he wants to make a world where the system set up by dead AI to keep the constant MIC engine rolling constantly and pointlessly is dismantled so people are free to choose how they live their life without fear that Cockgobbler LLC is scheduled to poison your city's water supply this week>He just wants to le kill people if he feels like it!
I said my ass was a tool of justiceNot used in angerNot used for homosexual sexBut now......Now I'm not so sure.....And besides,THIS. ISN'T. MY. ASS.
It's Kojima. Don't think about it too hard.
>>733714959>bigger than paz>10>paz>21kojima logic
Anyone trying to seriously analyze the plot of MGS is hopelessly lost and might as well try to do deep dive of Star Wars politics or Harry PotterIt's just a massive westaboo ripping off 80s action movies and making pseudointellectual commentary based on what hollywood told him about the west
>>733726001Kojima didn't make this game, that's why it's good
armstrong doesnt even agree with armstrong
>>733699325>baseballhe was definitely talking about football, nobody uses baseball as a metric of toughness unless they’re discussing steroids
>>733699325I support him precisely because his stupid ideology would destroy America.
DON'T FUCK WITH THIS SENATOR
>>733718589Amazing how much fuckery happiness in Metal Gear because everyone got the fucking Boss' will wrong.
>>733725853Well I'm sure Raiden didn't have his own ass for a while now, is that a cyborg loophole? You just discard the gay ass and get a new one?
>>733725642I Armstrong's world you can gobble my cock you little bitch and the only "cops" you can still call will make you gobble theirs too retard.
>>733726798You're so wrong you even used the wrong name for what you're talking about and don't know who wrote it. In short, there's plenty of American stories that have a worse understanding of American politics.
>>733699325he literally wants to disband the existing US government and isolate the continent from internet access so everyone lives like it's the wild westit's not hard to get
>>733699325He wanted an ideological war like ww2 and for America to come out the Victor of said war so we could enjoy the kinda post war paradise the greatest Gen did in the late 40, 50s, and early 60s. It is impossible to have an economy that good without being an absolute victor, which we where at the time we literally made our enemies sign an unconditional surrender.
>>733700749He agrees when Raiden points that out though, and instead holds up Raiden himself as proof of his ideology. Armstrong really is a fantastic villain.
>>733714153>Raiden started off as a nobody, a literal child soldier with no money.who also happened to be fucked with by the Patriots for a good chunk of his life because he just so happened to be in the same basket that Solidus was using to collect kids for his army
>>733717632>"Follow your will and destroy anything that doesn't yield" Isn't that also Sam's belief?
>>733699325"Might makes right", but with a lot of hypocrisy sprinkled in because >he wasn't stronger, he was more privileged >he's doing what he claims to hate by "using war as a business to end war as a business">he's doing the equivalent of brainwashing others into fighting for him instead of having them fighting their own wars>he opposes Raiden despite conceding that he's embodies his ideology probably better than Armstrong himself doesBasically he's somebody who knows he has the power and wants to create a system where he could rule without much opposition.
>>733721379>make everybody stronger than guns and bombs with cyborg bodies and nanomachines>suddenly fights take skill again and random acts of violence and stupidity don't kill people anymoreHonestly that kind of thing would drastically change society and cause more might makes right people jump at their supposed opportunities. Of course Armstrong wasn't actually going to give anybody but himself the chadmachines, and anybody but the brainwashed orphans that make up his private army a cyborg body.
>>733731241That's something I don't really understand going over people's heads, Armstrong was a colossal hypocrit. He's a hopped up Texan who bought his way into being a 'strong fighter' with none of the training or experience. Hell even the fight itself shows it; every other boss has skills and techniques you have to fight against because they're all trained killers and soldiers. Armstrong just throws a bunch of wild punches and grabs like a gorilla. Without nanomachines he'd probably be weaker than the averagr cyborg goon you encounter throughout the game.He's a silver spoon politcian LARPing as a seasoned warlord.
>>733699325>platinum character action game>caring about the plotlolI look forward to your next thread asking for help understanding the plot to a porno you saw
>>733732254>Armstrong was a colossal hypocritDunno thought that was the entire point of his character myself. Like what else would the game be trying to show there by pitting Raiden and Armstrong against each otherwise?Only thing we could add is that the game does acknowledge "you are just like me", but one is doing it properly and the other is on a power trip.
>>733699325>beat the game>I don’t understand the villain’s motivationsRetards like OP is why games covering heavy topics aren’t made anymore. Writers are too scared they will alienate retards, creating a death spiral of topics where the goal is to be as inoffensive as possible and say absolutely nothing.
>>733699325the speech he gives is kinda vague but it seems to be some weird anarchist society where everyone just slugs it out all the time. which is neat when you have superpowsers but I'm not sure how this would work for the average person, and how the things he wants to destroy wouldn't just rise again but now in a more dystopian way with warlords creating their own states
>>733699442Could evrart convert armstrong?
>>733699325Raiden kinda spells it out; he's batshit insane. Nothing he says makes sense until you realize he's a demented lunatic.
>>733714959girls hit puberty by 9-10
Love parrying in this game
>>733715125He deserves that prime russian pussy.
>>733734461Same but I still beat the shit out of Monsoon without parrying and without taking damage, for the flex.You have iframes on offensive defense, so it's just playing souls.
>>733732254It really goes to show how much presentation can matter. Armstrong's dialogue, VO and overall presence is so fantastic, you had people irl actually buying into it purely out of vibes. Probably one of the most fun villains ever made.
>>733734743>Probably one of the most fun villains ever made.Oh absolutely. He's an able politician for reals.
Also kinda hilarious because he says "I don't write my own speeches" but if he did he would apparently be better at it?
