Fallout is top tier. I love how they put it towards the right cucks. It is crazy how later games try and hide right wing politics behind "enclave" and other out of touch retarded groups.

The context is entirely different. Pre-social media you didn't have every dumbfuck and their dog sounding off about their smoothbrain political opinions, at full volume, across every social media platform, round the clock.
You didn't need gaming to escape from the relentless political hellscape that modern society has become. The odd jibe or political take from a developer would have barely registered and would cause almost no annoyance because we weren't all so tweaked out and rabid after being bombarded by this shit all day every day.
Games are a refuge now, which is why when they become overly political, for no good reason, they get shit on.

Can you imagine a world in which you don't even have to think about your political affiliations and opinions? Where the average person is more or less entirely apolitical? What a great time it was.

>>733720906
This is actually the real reason why so many "fans" hate F2 but consume the F3/4 slop with a smile on their faces.

>>733721494
>Games weren’t political
>Yes they were
>….ok but that doesn’t count because the world wasn’t as political!
You still had mass protests, radio talk shows constantly talking about politics (Rush Limbaugh), Fox News, etc. Politics was still everywhere it just wasn’t on your phone or as prevalent online because the internet wasn’t as mainstream

>>733720906
If this was released today everyone would bitch about it. Lol

>>733720906
So to analyze your cherry picked screenshot, the main character is insisting that republicans are "part of the problem." What would the other "part" of the problem be in this joke?

Fallout was always about being an outsider looking in at all the silly factions and ideologies and commenting on them. There was even a cut lgbt "rainbow cult" reference that's still in its game files and there's a whole faction in the game dedicated to making fun of Scientology.

This is just a part of that. Back then, they were like South Park, making light of or commenting on everything that stood out to them. Even depictions of the NCR were presented with corruption and beaurocracy weighing them down.

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How would some random tribal know that republicans are the problem?

>>733721913
Imagine if that NPC looked like Trump and the game was making fun of him. Everyone here would be whining nonstop

>>733721832
>Fox News, etc
What did the tranny mean by this?

>>733721494
The actual difference is that back then gamers and games devs hated republicans, so nobody was bothered by it. Now, game devs hate gamers, which is just psychotic.

>>733721978
Because republican means someone who believes in structuring government around a republic. As a tribal (theoretically an educated one, since on average players made characters with above average intelligence and science skill) he would prefer the freedom of living off the land amongst an extended family that formed a small, usually patriarchal community.

>>733721631
How many?

>>733720906
I’m surprised /v/ hasn't disowned Bully for beating up preppies who are yelling "YOU FILTHY DEMOCRAT!" at you

>>733722136
What you put it like that..

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>>733720906
One of the chief complaints about Fallout 2 was the pop culture bullshit
This is literally Dan Quayle

>>733722129
No the difference is back then gamers and game devs hated republicans, now game devs still hate republicans but normies have tried to infiltrate the hobby and insist actually, we never hated republicans

>>733720906
The politics isn't the problem, it's the maturity of the message and how its conveyed. I adore Metal Gear Solid, you won't hear a peep out of me complaining it's focal point is politics and what a slave to it a soldier is.
Also doesn't help that people forgot that its ok to have different political beliefs and still get along.

>>733720906
notice how you're always posting wrpgs?

>>733722307
>Maturity of the message
If that NPC looked like Trump and was clearly mocking him, and was released today you would all never stop bitching about it

>>733722306
there is a massive difference pre wall street democrats and the current ones.

>>733722136
Funny that American republicans err conservative and value weaker local governments over a strong centralized one that liberals gravitate to for the ability to enforce policy on a broader level

>>733722136
If he had above average intelligence he would be a socialist like me.

>>733722129
I also hate gamers. Seems like a rational opinion to me.

>>733722306
Hilarious thing is that it wasn't Republicans trying to censor video games in the 90s. Just goes to show that the political literacy of game devs back then was nil.

>>733722245
Thank you, we need to bring that up at the next /board/ meeting. Such political negligence is unacceptable. There can be no half-measures, we are in the middle of a culture war.

>>733722386
If he was intentionally made to look like Trump that would change the joke, wouldn't it?

>>733722386
Probably because we know what annoying faggots the people who obsess over Trump are.

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>>733721832
op and this are completely identical according to you

>>733722437
There's little difference between that and a small tribal society that shares resources.

>>733722482
No? Because conceptually it would be the same thing, that NPC is based on a real politician with real quotes

>>733722386
Yep and they’d make 20+ threads a day obsessing over it, screeching over the devs and ironically accusing them of being obsessed with Trump

>>733720906
No.

/plays raid over Moscow from 44 years ago.

Kiss my ass zoomie

>>733722684
tribals also have 'no work = no food' policies. I remember reading this section in some book about cultural differences, talking about tribals. it described how, when this one tribe's hunters would go out and hunt, they would go around the village to collect all their hunting gear. they didn't own their own bows or arrows or anything else. someone ELSE made the bow, then someone else made the arrows, someone else made the whatever other crap they used. that way, everyone was involved in the hunt, which entitled them to part of the kill. and they did this shit for everything. was kinda fascinating.
they also did some similar shit whenever someone violated too harsh of a taboo. they'd basically kill the guy, then everyone would stand in a big line and take their turn at stabbing the corpse. it would be over weird shit as well, like, they would never refuse someone a favour who asked for it. so some guy figured out he could just get by by asking everyone for favors all the time. then instead of just telling him to fuck off, they let him do this for a while until he pissed them off enough then they killed him. harsh stuff.

>>733722386
>if the scene was different, you'd react differently!! heh, got you there, chud!
bravo, anon. you really are the smartest from your backwater tribe

>>733720906
>28 years later
>still accurate
kek

>>733723131
It'd be interesting to know what book you read that stuff in, not out of disagreement, it sounds legitimately neat to study.

That aside, socialism also has enforcement policies and those are places where the differences may be more obvious, but conceptually, taking both ideas in as simple and black&white a manner, they're on the same spectrum as communal societies.

In any case every tribe will be different and I can't remember if there was even any detail on what Fallout 2's tribals structured their villages like, other than they had a really weird temple for trials and shamans feature prominently.

>>733721913
>Fallout was always about being an outsider looking in at all the silly factions and ideologies and commenting on them.
This is why newer games have shitty writing, they've forgotten this and why they became actually political like the webm from >>733722654

>>733720906
That's different because...it just is, okay?

>>733720906
The difference is that devs weren't afraid of putting sexy women or making fun of faggots in their games.
They didn't uglify their characters on purpose, they didn't use modern day xitter lingo in their writing and they weren't afraid of making racist jokes. Now we are stuck with leftist pseud shit without all the cool shit of the old.

When the game was made that was funny.

>>733722746
The Fallout line critisizes Republicans wholesale regardless of era, leader or topics of discussion at the time. Many look to Trump as not a true republican, lying about beliefs to side with the easiest party as well as attempting to make many un-conservative policy desicions like further regulating guns, anti 2A. Many argue MAGA Republicans have different core beliefs and contrast with Republicans of the years prior.
To make a Trump joke would be to joke on the current administration, without it (considering we are in the fictional future) it's just anti-Republican.

Early Fallout and VTMB are two really humorous examples of games that the eVeRyThInG iS pOlItIcAl, ChUdS crowd constantly parrots, because they cherrypick a smattering of dialogue that happens to agree with them while ignoring how 99% of the rest of the games’ content is deemed “problematic” by their side’s dogma.

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>>733720906
The image that killed the culture war troons

>>733720906
Remember when OPs weren't disingenuous faggots?

Um sweaty politics didn't exist until I hit puberty in the early 10s and before that we just farted rainbows and sung kumbaya

>>733726145
drompf looks like that

>>733720906
Yeah, good times

>>733721494
>The context is entirely different. Pre-social media you didn't have every dumbfuck and their dog sounding off about their smoothbrain political opinions, at full volume, across every social media platform, round the clock.
People watched TV and listened to the radio back then, both of which were chock full of politics.

>>733722307
>MGS
>maturity of the message
>>nukes bad and killing bad, everyone should just love each other and don't kill. Also women are retarded

>>733726145
Real socialism soon, xister

everything is political. you should rejoice that everyone agrees now.

>>733722445
That's because of the merging of identities in politics in recent years.
Nobody remembers people like Lieberman who pushed for those things politically from the democrats.
Everybody remembers the Christians trying to bar their children from playing those "satantic video games," some to extreme degrees, and that nowadays a lot of Christians get entrenched into the right politically now.
There were probably more leftists in Christianity back then when it was a more pervasive belief but it also had a lot more people who were just "sunday morning christians" who would just show up pray and return to their less than christian life, the casual christian.
Over the years things become twisted parodies of themselves. It's inevitable.

>>733722437
Socialists are the flat earthers of economics

>>733727019
>>>nukes bad and killing bad, everyone should just love each other and don't kill. Also women are retarded
Thats based though

>>733723812
This. People need to remember that liberals used to be the cool ones in the 90s, but then the last 10 years happened where they waged war on everything cool (sexy girls, free speech, decentralized communities) and now its the conservatives fighting for those things.

>>733728372
That’s what the jews want though. We should be advocating for a nuclear holy war
>>733728505
Liberals were always zogbot slaves. Liberalism is a cancer that has created the hellscape we live in

>>733727939
Those "Christians" were extreme fringe cases that the news made a big deal out of, and everyone just went, "Huh. How crazy" and went on with their lives. That's how it was back then.

>>733728505
you're either old as fuck or talking out your ass

>>733728505
>now its the conservatives fighting for those things.
they aren’t, retards just think they are

an umamusume thread died so this shitty /pol/bait thread can live

>>733728505
you were never cool boomer

>>733729659
Good?

>>733728639
>Liberals were always zogbot slaves. Liberalism is a cancer that has created the hellscape we live in
Although true, most people were blissfully ignorant until they went full mask off and actively made entertainment worse for everybody.

Lil woke is literally coming back tho according to Hasan now Trump is fucked because he lost the tariff war

>>733727019
Yes and the genie's out of thr bottlez we cannot undo the biggest military Joker card thay anyone could build. Didn't we just fuckup Iran because they were days away from making their own?

>>733721494
What about the phrase “in it for yourself” is so fucking hard for people to understand?

wasnt this the studio that tim cain said was helplessly homophobic?

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>>733721494
The subject of the discourse has steadily changed from the 90s until the democrats should have been subject of ridicule in any sane political stance.

>90s:
>Republicans: Corrupts, war-hungry, pro-censorship
>Democrats: want to help the poor, peaceful, anti-censorship

>Nowadays
>Republicasn: Help the poor, a bit less corrupt than democrats, weirdly more peaceful than democrats, anti-censorship
>Democrats: extremely corrupts, want to fuck the poor, war-hungry, pro-censorship

If the gamin industry stood exactly the same, we should have had Fallout games mocking the Democrats extensively, especially their positions on war, fucking over the poor, their corruption, maybe their position on cutting the genitalias of young children, their pro-racism, etc. We never got that, unfortunately.

The Dems have changed so much that the center of what's reasonable is firmly against them. Why haven't political discourse in video game reflected that change?

>>733731284
Your view of the 90s is skewed by being someone who wasn't alive in the 90s.
The Democrats were absolutely NOT anti-censorship in the 90s.

>>733722069
Imagine if a game said homosexuals were degenerate and shouldn't be allowed in society

>>733731284
gamers considered all of it beneath them and gamed.

Man I wish hitler won the video games would be way better

>>733731724
Hitler was an Afrophile, so the video games would definitely be blacker.

>>733731284
Establishment Dems and Leftists exist in an uneasy truce where they hate each other with the Dems thinking the Left are Immature Children they need to placate just enough to get their support because the world has gone insane by veering from their globalist "meritocratic", technocratic worldview, and the Left thinking the Dems are a Spent Force of Ideologically Hollow Backstabbers that they need to work with because no Billionaire wants to bankroll a "real commie" position enough to put it on the national or global stage.
So they rally around a shared support of identity politics and don't attack each other outside of shared ideological space which in the context of games means unless they are indie devs, a team is typically made by a mixture of both and so keep their mouths shut about the internal conflict and focus on Republicans and identity politics.

>>733721832
>muh fox news
Man jews did a number on you

>>733732205
Leftists hate liberals and want to murder them like they do with right wingers

>>733731724
Hitler was a leftist so they'd probably be the same actually

>>733720906
None of you played the game. That NPC is the main villain of the game, the president of the Enclave. He defends his actions by invoking his political affiliation. The MC rightfully rebuffs him.

Play the fucking game.

>>733722515
As someone who lives in a pretty rural red state I can only imagine you mean the people with two or three of his flags hanging off their trucks, wear his shirts/hats/any other merch they bought everywhere they go, some of my family who post about him 24/7 and so on. When he came to speak at the fairgrounds years ago it was everywhere.

>>733732494
Yes, but they don't have the prominence to do that and the Dems need their support because everyone across the board is rejecting consensus politics, but half the Leftists think they can take over the Democratic Party and so keep supporting it.

>>733732740
>Play the fucking game
I will when they release the remake with nu-fallout gameplay and camera perspective