Was gaming better before digital distribution and patches?
yes
>>733721334Yes, because they were sold as finished products instead of incomplete WIP live services
>>7337213341000000000%jew ruined everything again
>>733721334>wahhhh things were so much better 30 years ago I have nostalgiafaggot fatigue.
Games were better when they didn't take 8 years to make
>>733721553Good goyKeep swallowing the sludge
>>733721553boo hoo nigga, nobody gives a fuck
No, you were just 20 years younger and life constantly gets worse for underachievers AKA people who played video games and watched TV instead of practicing a skill like computer programming. Now you're 35 and completely fucked for the new era
>I loved all those save wiping bugs on NES & SNES!
Yes 100%. Physical games had a purpose beyond being millennial shelf ornaments.
>>733721716nice schizopost. The PS2 library shits on modern gen
>>733721553>wahhhh things were so much better 30 years agoThey actually were. It's strange that you would automatically and categorically reject the notion that things can get worse over time.
>>733721334>buy Silent Hill 2 on PS2>a year later it comes out on og Xbox with more content>only way to get said content on PS2 is to repurchase the entire game under the Greatest Hits label; can't just buy a DLC for 10 bucks digitally>buy Jak X>there's a gamebreaking bug that can wipe your entire memory card>was never properly patched even with later disc revisionsno
>>733721716Why do retards always post this shit when they know damn well it will happen to them too
>>733721716>computer programmingYou mean that job being replaced by AI?
>>733721334Maybe for AAA sloppa, I don't play that shit, vintage story and grand strategy games would have been impossible in a shitbox from the past so I don't miss it
>>733721876because it's bait
>>733721716Before 8th gen you used to get a couple of games worth playing every few months, now you get like 1 game a year, which the entire industry astroturfs into gotyay.Now I'm playing games I skipped for various reasons and I'm having a lot more fun than with modern games.
>>733721831>>buy Silent Hill 2 on PS2>>a year later it comes out on og Xbox with more content>>only way to get said content on PS2 is to repurchase the entire game under the Greatest Hits label; can't just buy a DLC for 10 bucks digitally
>>733721814I can play literally every PS2 game right now for free with undub patches, unlocked resolution/framerate, mods, and recomped PC ports, all a billion times better than how they were at launch. I'm playing through GH2Gym right now on a CRKD guitar and it's great. I don't have to touch a single modern game and I can play games just as well as I did before. So obviously it wasn't the fact that games are better back then, I have a million more options now. So maybe the real answer is because you were twelve when the PS2 came out and life was better for you because you had no responsibilities.There are 25 million kids who think Steal a Brainrot is the best game they've ever played and talk about it with their friends all the time. They like it because they're 8 years old.
>>733721334Yes. Back in the day if you sent out a fucked up, half finished game you’d have been out of business by the end of the week. I can’t even imagine …
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>>733722323>I don't have to touch a single modern gameSo you agree that gaming was better before
>>733721334PS2 broke all the time and tons of games ran at low FPS. Gamecube was better
>>733721334Publishers actually had to ship finished products and ate shit if they didn't, so on average yes.
>>733721334Modern consoles have done nothing but hold gaming back as a medium from its true potential...all so that browns can play modern games.
>>733722631>Gamecube was betterInferior controls, inferior textures, inferior audio and FMV quality, no online
>>733721334Yeah, but not quite so. No patches meant the devs had to actually ensure shit was plastered for bugs, but some games inevitably had bugs anyway, usually not game breaking. Some games have different revisions sold without anyone being the wiser so early buyers technically got inferior versions of the game without recourse (rarely). But also you had the sales model for certain games to be sold multiple times anyway like with Street Fighter with like 3-4 different versions all as full priced games if you wanted the new content instead of cheaper DLC. But also, some games were just shit in general because they released as buggy messes. A game like No Man's Sky would have perished immediately if they pulled the shit they did then, unlike today where it eventually became good. I'm not saying things are better now because they're not, but it's not totally bad today and 100% better back then.
>>733722567So you can't read, excellent. I'm playing objectively better versions of every single game in the PS2 library, so that makes gaming better now. The problem you guys have is you're not twelve and can't invite friends over to play video games and you have to worry about your mortgage or your parents getting older.
>>733721791Such as...?
>>733723694anon...
>>733722759>I'm playing objectively better versions of every single game in the PS2 library, so that makes gaming better nowBut the library is still better, no? These minor upgrades don't really matter because the games were already good at the time. Today's games won't be any better in 16k@300 fps.Gaming was better because the games were simply better and you didn't have to wait months for an already released game to get finished with patches and extra paid content, that's all there is to it.
I suppose. At least the game was complete at launch.
>>733721334>no accounts>no logins>no patches>no DLCthe PS2 literally had all of this OP its just most people didn't have a network adapter
>>733722631>tons of games ran at low FPSThat just proves framerate is irrelevant for good games
>>733721553People just nostalgia for their childhood. It’s not the time so much as missing being a kid.
>>733722759It's difficult to even begin to imagine what it's like to be as retarded as you are.
>>733723857most ps2 games were 60fps anyway
>>733721553Cant wait to see how much of a bitter fag you are in 10 years.
>>733722678Meanwhile PC first devs are busy making MOBAs, MMOs, survivalcrafters, all sorts of great games that push the industry forward with creative gameplay and AMAZING graphics
arriba arriba 143k visualizacoes!! 72 comentarios!!
>>733721334Patches fix games and no amount of revisionist history will make me think otherwise
>>733721831>>buy Silent Hill 2 on PS2>>a year later it comes out on og Xbox with more content>>only way to get said content on PS2 is to repurchase the entire game under the Greatest Hits label; can't just buy a DLC for 10 bucks digitallyAnd how often did that happen vs games now that intentionally withhold content so it can be sold to you as DLC a month later?
>>733724302Games don't need to be fixed if you don't release them broken.
>>733724302Just don't ship broken games, it that simple
>>733721553How is this nostalgia? It's just demonstrably true. All games were complete on release, didn't require subscriptions and constant dlc payments, and couldn't be taken away from you or censored after you bought it. That is just strictly better.
>>733725489You also didn't have to pay for the internet connection you already pay an ISP for and games had peer-to-peer online that worked regardless of the company's involvement (forever).
>twitter threadHow exciting!
>>733721553I have fatiguefatigue
>>733721814Accounts, logins, patches, and even DLC aren't the reason that games were generally better in the early 2000s.There's nothing about those things NOW that's stopping good games from being made. Fuck's sake, nu-Hitman was a live service game with episodic releases, and that was celebrated over tons of contemporary shit for reasons that can be generalized as "the gameplay is designed more in the image of Blood Money, an actual PS2 game".
>>733723854I wonder if the reason Resident Evil Outbreak had no players (i only ever saw a few hundred) was just how fucking annoying it was creating an online account and making a Capcom Netfile.
>>733721334Of course, they had to do QA before shipping or the retailers and publisher would execute the dev
>>733721334>No patchesPatches existed, they were just shipped on new prints of the game.
>>733724868>>733725071This is how I know you guys are LARPers that weren't actually alive during that era. Games back then shipped with bad bugs all the time, you just had to know how to avoid them.
>>733721553Excellent bait, sir.
>>733721334>Final Fantasy 11
>>733725489It's still a nostalgia based take we're talking about 20-25+ year old games. Just because they released in a better early state doesn't erase they are so damn old and behind the curve VS more modern. It's like objectively nothing about cars from the 1960s is better than modern cars other then oh simple to work on. Clearly by pretty much every metric a modern day Corvette Z06 stomps a classic manual based Corvette into a puddle. That doesn't mean a split window from the the 60's isn't cool and still fun to drive. Yet head to head it's a total pos without the nostalgia blur.
There were so few good games back when the PS2 was released it's impossible to compare
>>733729037Of course broken games existed at the time, no one said otherwise. The broken games were often forgotten, shit on if they were unlucky and laughed at if they weren't.
>>733721553Those retards know that they are wrong, because if they were right they would just enjoy their old shit instead of spending all day whining about new stuff.
>>733734602>page 10this little faggot is scared of people reading his post KEK
>>733732080Broken games were a thing that happened a couple of times per generation and were so notorious that they defined what games perceived as broken for half a decade afterward. These days a broken game comes out and then 2 weeks later it's quietly pulled from online stores and this happens like every month.
>>733721334>broken game is broken foreverNo.
>>733729037I remember you could softlock yourself in ocarina of time if you didn't learnt saria's song on the bridge when you leave the village and then you extract the master sword.
>>733721553in 10 years you'll be kvetching about the days before everything was full of AI or was cloudshit.
No, porn games are more available now.
>>733721334Everything was better before 2006
>>733721334Digital is more convenient and it's nice that broken games can be fixed now, but it definitely lead to early access hell and unfinished game releases becoming the norm as well as other anti-consumer practices and too much corporate control, that's for sure.
>>733721334Yes. Devs had to actually release something playable because do-overs were rare and if you released unfinished shit, you were known for it. Now, fags have been trained to just expect an unfinished beta build that they are buying and it will(maybe) be finished later. The best intents are completely overshadowed by the reality that it's only used to ever cheapen the product you spend money on. ALWAYS judge a game by the release version on day 1.
>>733734930It worked out for Melee.
>>733735706>ALWAYS judge a game by the release version on day 1.Anytime someone defends Resident Evil 6 I assume they weren't there on day 1.
>>733721831The Jak X bug was only caused by the Autosave feature, IIRC you could just disable the autosave completely but that meant you would just have to remember to manually save progress
>no patches Killzone had like a 4MB patch to play online which is half a memory card
>>733736709i should watch that speedrun again soon
>>733734876PC games had patches from early on. Gaming Magazines just came with Disks and CDs, the devs kept the "cheat codes" in the game to make it easier to pass an oversight on their part and then there was the good old hexeditor if a keyitem was missing.
Absolutely. Back then you'd be out of your mind to think people would stick with the same installments of a game for a decade+
>>733721334Yes
>>733736709UPDATE:The Autosave during load up would glitch on certain PS2 models, (mostly slims) that would cause the game to save indefinitely, by turning the console off the card would leave behind undeletable corrupted data or in extreme cases corrupt ALL save data on the card (even non-Jak X data) A workaround is to boot up the game without a card inserted (thereby disabling autosave) and only save manually in the menu. The Greatest Hits version apparently fixes the bug
>>733721334Yup, still stuck playing those games.>you're le nostalgicYes.
>>733721553DON'T ASK QUESTIONS GOY
>>733721716I still haven't beaten all the good games from that era and I can't find shit to play in the current gen. I have so much fucking money but there's no good games to buy.
>>733736957PC gaming has never worked
>>733721334In theory patches and DLC is a good thing. In practice it means broken unfinished games because downloadable content allows them to get away with it. PC used to be a good middleground, you would buy big box games and if needed you could download a patch on the developers website, they would also release expansions that were almost like an entirely new game and cost half the price.
>>733721831>sell old game>buy new game
>little or no dependancy on online connections so games had to be optimized by launch to run effectively without game breaking bugs, of course there are some outliers but they are few and far between and were deservedly given shit back in the day>consoles did not have large HDDs or no HDDs at all so devs couldnt be lazy and just make the user install 80gb worth of unoptimized garbage data on their console>System architectures were still greatly different by console so it wasn't as simple as just hitting "port" for each console version, games were actually made in mind for running with limitattions of the consolesBasically technological limitations forced devs to have to be creative and efficient
>>733737409You can bet on the games industry making the worst out of every opportunity they can when the option is between doing the right thing and exploiting it to cover your fuck ups. Every time without exception the games industry will do the wrong thing so much that it just becomes the norm.
Getting the 6th gen games with HDD and all pirated games is way better than playing whatever slop comes out today, fucking infinite fun.I finished REmake on the GameCube the other day and holy shit what a game.
>>733737865original on PS1 is better. re1 cubemake is such a disaster. Used to justify millions of inferior remakes while being an inferior remake itself.
>>733737628Looking back it's amazing what has been achieved considering how weak and limited the hardware was, some PS2 games are borderline wizardry for how well they ran and looked.
>>733737041that happened to my uncle, i used to go over to his house as a kid and he'd always be playing something and lend me wwf games on n64, or burnout 3, etc. yeah they were all normalfag games, but literally all he's done since the late-360 is play fucking GTA online for the last 3 console gens, even transferring his character 360-Xbone-series x lmfao
>>733721553keep eating your slop piggy
>>733721334i miss this old era of simple games and especially not needing an account for everything. competitive multiplayer online slop is actually a very new phenomenon, started after 2010
>>733738016My favourite is that Morrowind on Xbox would actually do stealth console resets during loading screens to clear up console RAM.
>>733721553AYO THE IPAD KID FINNA CRASH OUT
>>733721334without a doubt
>>733721334AAA yessure it's always been a money making industry, but back then you actually had to make fun games or nobody would buy themmodern indies are still good thougheven better than old games to an extent - they still had to be rushed at times
>>733721716>field filled with maladjusted weirdos with a job justification crisis and is getting more outsourced to third worlders and AI>skilledlol lmao
>>733721334Yes. They didn't use the retards buying software as glorified QA testers for their clearly half-finished products back then and subsequently sell the other half of the game to you in a year for half the price of the game itself. Not to mention how what used to be post-game unlockables and cheat codes now are five bucks a pop.
>>733721334Patches did exist in the form greatest hits and re-releases. Also regional variants that might fix a bug or too. DLC also started in the 6th gen. Still, it was better than now since the games were made primarily whites and asians, not retarded shitskins and open degenerates with no actual skills.
>>733721334I played FFXI on my PS2, it had all of these things.
>>733736709>>733737143For a first party game that's embarrassing.
Lots of games released broken and never got fixed, I remember my brother gifting me an spyro game that got to a point where whatever I did, it refused to work alright.
Yes
It's still like this for me, a lifelong pirate
>>733721334>THINGS WERE BETTER WHEN GAMES LOOKED AND RAN LIKE SHIT AND WERE LIKE 20 HOURS MAX PLAYTHROUGH
Anytime someone posts a screenshot from social media they should get a 30 day ban.If the UI of social media is not in english it should just be permanent + range ban.
>>733721553This. Being able to afford a house back in the 70s was overrated fucking garbage. Its much better that I cannot afford a house in 2026 because things have gotten better with inflation.
>>733721334No, but the convenience of it inevitably led to lazy devs releasing shit that would never have stood previous to the method.
>>733721553Feeling demoralized for being too late?
>>733729307You are retarded. Games aren't fucking cars, they don't degrade with use or require replacing their parts. Warcraft 3 released in 2004 is still superior to every other RTS game ever made that tried to copy it. Kill yourself for even making me to respond to your worthless fucking drivel you retarded subhuman.
>>733721716>instead of practicing a skill like computer programmingThat's unironically the worst career choice you could've made.
>>733740975but enough about games in 2025
yesthe moment publishers realized that people being connected to the internet 24/7 meant they could nickel and dime them it was over
>>733741389I actually feel bad for zoomers, they basically didn't know a world pre-iphone and have no cultural relevance that they can claim as theirs other than brainrot.
>>733742126Horse Armor was the canary in the coal mine
Take the good with the bad. Shit sucks but at least you don't have to buy an entirely new version of Street Fighter to get the extra characters. Also, I can emulate whatever the fuck I want.
>>733721334We absolutely did know how good we had it. We just thought it would get better and it all got worse.
>>733742304I still find it bullshit that capcom couldn't just DLC SFIV into SSFIV and Ultra. Those Jew japs knew what they were doing.
>>733742426No we didn't we knew we had it good but we didn't know how much.
>>733742441They did the same with UMVC3. Fuckers.
>>733721334pc had better games than ps2 in the same eraso digital distribution and patches aren't relevant to the conversation
Nah it's just selection bias. You're comparing the best of old games with the average new game. Nobody ever brings up the shitty movie tie in games or all the other worthless garbage that make Concord look like art.Like no fucking shit DMC3 or NGB are better than most action games today, these games were a lightning in a bottle. What you fags are missing that new action games are closer to them than most of their contemporaries on 6th gen consoles that you don't even know about because they're that shit and unremarkable. Nobody remembers shit like Dirge of Cerberus or the shitty PS2 Mana games. Most retro fags do not play retro games and just jerk themselves off to how much better old games were. I have played a fuckton of games both retro and modern and I can tell you that you only think old games were better because you're more selective when it comes to older titles.
>>733721553>30 yearsNo....it can't be...
for every good game it had it had 50 shovelware titles to balance it out
>>733740010And I thought there are no females on 4chan
>>733721553One of the best post I have seen on /v/. You can emulate those games in higher res/fps, shit has never been better.¨=-
>>733729307*BRRRRRAAAAAAPPPPPP*
>>733721553Here, have some objective proof things were better
>>733743801I can’t even imagine having to grow up in a world where every faux pas could recorded and shared thousands of times. It’s even worse with AI because now Sora can make a photo do anything in an instant.
No. Most games were still shit, and bugs were for eternity. You couldn't just wait a year or two before you buy and get a complete product. If it was fucked, that meant it was fucked forever.Lots of survivorship bias at work here. People looking back with rose tinted glasses, forgetting the heaps of garbage that people got scammed into buying because online reviews weren't a thing yet.
>>733743801Interesting. Which games released in 1994 saved so many lives?
>>733743950battletoads
>>733721553I have nostalgiafaggot fatigue I have nostalgiafaggot fatigue I have nostalgiafaggot fatigue I have nostalgiafaggot fatigue I have nostalgiafaggot fatigue I have nostalgiafaggot fatigue>shitendo releases a $20 30 year old romWOWIE ZOWIE
>>733721334>1000 republicans
>>733743950It was just a general time of optimism. We all thought things would get better on an upward gradient forever. In 1994 people seriously thought we’d have outer space colonies by 2025.
>>733735094SOVL
>we didn't realize What in the fuck? People has been complaining since the xbox 360 launched, way to be a faggot making up shit clickbait
>>733729307This is a bad example. A car from the 1960s isn't going to get demolished in a crash compared to a modern car. Corpos cheaped out there too.
>>733729037when I was a kid and I got stuck in a game I just reset the whole thing and would start again from the beginning
>accidentally scratch disc >game is now in a state where it loads forever and never finishes This is how I never finished suikoden iii
>>733736709>most entertaining run>get banned
>>733744627>A car from the 1960s isn't going to get demolished in a crash compared to a modern car.Yeah, instead the driver is going to get demolished. Energy has to go somewhere. When it can't go into crumpling steel, it goes into the squishy meat instead.
