>>733727352
Unreasonable expectations mostly, new fans were coming into an incredibly niche and divisive kind of game expecting the greatest thing ever because that's what it is to people that actually like it to begin with. When it isn't that for them they will call it disappointing garbage, understandably.

>>733727352
Not enough variety of enemies
Boring nothingburger story

>>733727352
It just wasn't as great as it could have been. The performance was objectively terrible but the game itself was pretty great, it just could have been a 10/10 and that stings.

>>733727352
I'm currently playing it after replaying 1 and there are a few baffling decisions
>instead of giving warrior 6 skills slots everybody elses got reduced to 4
>augments are literally useless due to how little they change
>changed the controls for no reason and it fucks with muscle memory from 1
>mouse controls are fucked like it's emulation analog stick with all sorts of bullshit like acceleration
>gutted several fun vocations and redistributed their skills like assassin and mystic knight
>FOV is fucked and needs REFramework to get fixed
>low enemy variety
>no hard mode
>no changes to mobs in NG+ or some form of "post game" that repopulates know areas with new interesting encounters

All these things were GOOD in the first game and didn't need any "fixing"

>>733727352
it's worse than the first game

>>733728869
>"I expect the sequel to have more monsters and classes than the original"
>unreasonable

>Release character creator demo that allows player to save and load creations
>Don't put it in the game

Wow

itsuno unfortunately wasnt even behind the part of dragons dogma people only ever talk about anymore, and people were surprised when he came in with complete directive freedom and it wasnt anything like the project he never saw or touched

unfortunately it really is just a case of "there wasnt enough game", which for a game that is like 30-40 hours is really rough. there's enough setpieces or whatever, but there's so little substance that truly makes it unique from the previous game.

the unmoored world is again, interesting, but less interesting than the everfall, because we got what was effectively the unmoored world in the first game after the dragon died and the world fell into chaos, but we ALSO got the everfall, and the ur-dragon, and all the new monsters and gear.

the new unmoored world lets us explore the areas water was covering but by and large its just narrow caves with skeletons or ogres and very little interesting in it, compared to the first experience of the everfall being the beholder that changes all the doors to lead to it. the unmoored world barely even adds anymore dragons to the game, just the 4 final boss fights, which are cool, dont get me wrong, but they dont make up for the rest of the shit we lost along the way.

he literally just made dragons dogma 1 again, but chose to learn absolutely nothing from his first attempt, or its DLC, or the online game, or any of the fan discussion surrounding it, or any video game in the past 12 years. it is by all measurable metrics, about on par with no DLC dragons dogma 1, but with updated graphics.
its arguably worse depending on how you feel about the balance, but i can chalk that up to creative freedom, especially since the game isnt particularly hard either, even with all the new restrictions

>not optimized at all, runs badly depite looking mid as hell
>lackluster enemy variety
>instantly abandoned by the devs
Need I say more?

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>>733727352
I installed it a while ago with all the best mods and it's still a soulless game. The problem is that it was highly unfinished so it's very unbalanced, everything just feels bad.
Then the questing and characters, they just suck.
The music sucks too, though I got a mod for that but it doesn't replace everything because of the shady as fuck music DLC I'm not going to buy.

>>733727352
For me, it's the story. I like the whole shtick with the Worldforged, but the main story itself is so fucking barebones. The second major area's story is over in a flash, and a lot of stuff mentioned in the first area's story is quickly glossed over. What the fuck was the point of mentioning Vermund and Battahl were on bad terms when the only real thing we see in-game is the border checkpoint which is easily circumnavigated? Why does Disa's scheme matter when it does fuckall besides giving you a narrative reason to do some quests at the beginning, and it all wraps up hunky dory at the end like it was never a thing?

>>733730251
Don't get me wrong, issues like this do exist, I was speaking more broadly. It's still an enjoyable game in the same ways as the first game is, whether it's better or worse is up to preference. But the hype surrounding it made the reception to this fact a lot worse.

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>>733731346
>It's still an enjoyable game in the same ways as the first game is,
I'm pretty sure most people disagree with this.
>But the hype surrounding it made the reception to this fact a lot worse.
There is no evidence of this either, people were just disappointed with the game. They say as much.

>>733731346
>in the same ways as the first game
except the first game is only 2/3s finished and came out like 12 years before
it should not be so comparable to an xbox 360 game as to be interchangeable
that itself is a failure
it would be one thing if DD2 came out 3 years later or was a launch title on the xbone/ps4 generation or whatever
your argument is gay

>>733731494
>>733731534
counterpoint: i had fun

>>733731579
that's not a counterpoint when your argument was "people had unreasonable expectations/were new fans who never even played the original"
it's not as if DD1 was that niche, the demo came with RE6 and on top of that RE6
if there had been a notable influx of new people with dD2 they probably would've actually supported it post launch in any way

>>733727352
it's just a weird project-- less of a sequel and more of a "second attempt" at the first game using modern tech that leans into some pretty interesting ideas about emergent systemic gameplay and extreme friction by design (clunky inventory management, limited fast travel etcetc). this yielded a game that can feel very adventurous and rewarding for a certain audience but retains all the jank that made the original a fairly niche title
fwiw this is undeniably a game itsuno felt a strong passion about making, the kind of vision that probably kept him up at night as he thought about all the things he would have done differently with the og. i'm glad it exists but there was no world where dd2 didn't end up being a 7/10 curiosity for the wider audience. for me, as a lover of weird japanese aa action rpg games, it scratches the same itch i imagine MMOs do for people who are into more social gameplay

>>733731579
Some people have fun eating children or being faggots too. Doesn't say anything about it being good.

>>733727352
It's largely just a lesser version of DD1.

>>733727352
I had fun exploring the world and completing kill challenges for people in /vg/. but since the world was so big and there were so few weapons and armor, the hundreds of chests to find in the world didnt have anything worth finding. Elden Ring had this problem too.

I dont remember anything about the story, nothing seemed to connect, matter, or make an impact. I didnt finish the game, but im right before the world transforms because i knew the world would go into a second phase with a bit of a timelimit and cut me off from resources to buy weapons. i farmed weapons instead and lost interest.

combat was okay, but they make everything use to much stamina which made combat feel sluggish.
it lacked DD1's music.
https://youtu.be/pfLzIDCjB5o
none of the music stuck with me
none of the characters stuck with me
the game never found a flow, like when you reach Gran Soren and start doing side quests.

>>733731909
people also forget that dd1 wasn't some sleeper blockbuster. it was a niche title for couple of good reasons.

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>>733731909
>MMOs
Speaking of which it's still a damn travesty DDO was never localized officially.

>>733732197
reminder that NONE of the new classes in that were in DD2

>>733732197
I'd say the entirety of Dragon's Dogma is Japan not really getting the sort of crazy appeal a game like that would have in the west where something like D&D is so strong. They failed to capitalize on it.

>>733727352
shitty story, no dungeons, all you do is fight the same lizards, bandits and goblins for 40 hours

>>733727352
Im not sure
I actually had a blast playing 2 for a little while. After like a week or two I set it down for a bit, I was playing it blind and when I went to the gateway town im not sure where to go for a quest.

I tried 1 awhile ago and didnt get into it as much. But maybe there is more depth there i dont know.

Part of the mindset I used to enjoy it was just deciding to go out, kill mobs, level up, and maybe loot one location while exploring. I struggled early on but before I knew it I was destroying the big monsters.

I can understand big fans of dd1 being upset as there seemed to be more enviornments and items to explore.

>>733727352
You're supposed to learn from the mistakes of the previous game

>>733727352
It's not a bad game, but everyone was hoping for the true realized Dragon's Dogma vision, after a decade of everyone saying how much potential the first one had, and if only they had more time and money it would have been a 10/10. I mean damn, do you remember all those posts about the supposed moon levels they cut? The whole game was a massive "ughhh... what could have been...", so when the sequel got announced, everyone hoped we'd finally get the truly realized vision.
But then the sequel comes out and it's actually pretty much the same thing as the first game, including the shit enemy variety and piss easy difficulty, except now it also has awful performance, poor post game and slightly gimped vocations.
It's just a disappointment.

>>733727352
Worse world.
Worse story.
Even less Dragon.
Worse Vocations.
Vocations kind of don't make sense.
Way less skills per Vocation.
Can only equip 4 skills instead of 6.
Quests and quest design are still as bad.
Worse monster variety than DDDA (nobody cares about your vanilla shit, falseflagging faggots).
Less equipment slots.
Sorcerer got completely butchered.
Once you hit lvl 10 it's basically easyode and you can now kill everything, no matter if it's a Goblin, Cyclops, Griffin or Drake.
The quests to unlock certain Vocations are absolutely laughable.
Shitnuvo.
Awful af performance.
No post-launch support at all.

>>733731579
blast bros, we won

>>733733925
>Quests and quest design are still as bad.
they were way worse

first play
>story has some very intriguing concepts
>quests almost always have multiple solutions
>some of the returning jobs feel like ass, some feel way better, some new ones are interesting while some are not.
>pawns are pretty smart
>why are ferrystones so fucking expensive
>game optimization is shit
>sphynx questline is peak

Replays
>wayfairer
>ferrystones are still fucking expensive
>nothing to do except stuff I've already done
>no enemy presents any threat at all
>sphynx questline is peak

Most of the changes from DD1 are sidegrades or make the game worse. It feels like they didn't know what was good about the game at all.

>>733732197
They still owe us 2 expansions.. I'll never forgive the japanese!

>>733727352
Half of every single part of the game is missing. From enemies to vocations to the fucking map itself. Soundtrack is shit. Movement feels awful, slow and unresponsive filled with constant staggers. And fuck the boring generic coverart, they didnt even try to make that interesting.

>>733732513
Alchemist my beloved

>>733727352
It's a mixed bag. There's some stuff that's better, there's some stuff that's worse. It really lacks the end game of the original, but I think the unmoored world really hits harder than the everfall and the elite monsters across gransys, I just wish they'd let you explore the it indefinitely. They got cheap with the beloved content, but on the plus you can see literally any woman naked in the baths and of course there's the whore house. It's actually kind of hilarious, for both games you can tell the exact moment Capcom told them "Wrap it up!" As you slide feet first into the finale. All in all, I'd say its a solid sequel.

>>733737674
>There's some stuff that's better,
Nope.

>>733737674
>solid sequel
delusional

>>733727352
Instead of Dragon's Dogma but better, it's Dragon's Dogma but worse.

>>733727352
The combat and monsters are really fun, it just feels like they're in an unfinished game, or the wrong game.

>>733737674
Unmoored was really cool at first but not so much after the fifth dullahan encounter in a row. More enemy variety would've helped a lot and the time limit was just disappointing.
Overall I still enjoyed the game as a whole, not much as 1 but the hate is way overdone by people who obviously only liked Dark Arisen rather than Dragon's Dogma.

>>733740824
>but the hate is way overdone by people who obviously only liked Dark Arisen rather than Dragon's Dogma.
you're unironically a fucking schizo
is this just bait?

>>733727352
They somehow managed to put less content in it than in dark arisen, made it less fun and run like shit. I loved the vocations in the first, they ruined every single one of them or didnt even include them. They also added gay shit and made it impossible to play as a loli.

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>>733727352
The rough edges that the first game had due to ambition and lack of development time is a lot less forgivable in a sequel which also fails to capitalise on the premise despite having taken a fucking decade to come out and not only doesn't fix any of the problems that the first game had but makes many of them significantly worse.

>>733727352
Shorter game, less abilities, removed classes, didn't add a single new monster, removed some monsters, added a genuinely dogshit class, no post-game, worse characters (I'd be hard pressed to recall a single character besides the main nog), all the good characters are black and all the evil ones are white.
honorable mention it runs like ass.

>>733727352
It was fun enough but Itsuno was blatantly screwed over. It could've, should've, been more if Capcom weren't assholes and wanted it to mostly just be a relatively cheap monster hunter testing ground that made some extra pocket money. Also they made a lot of npcs really ugly for some reason iirc. Elves did look good and the elven zone was legitimately really nice with a proper fantasy feel.
>>733729284
This more or less. Elf zone and npcs were great though.

>>733742812
>Elf zone and npcs were great though.
the fuck are you talking about

>>733742947
there is an elf zone that you have no reason to ever visit except at the very end when the true ending sends you there to kill a "dragon". all the way in the north east corner of the map.

>>733743056
you said they were great, what the hell did you mean by that
it's the most soulless unfinished "town" ever

>>733742812
itsuno had 100% absolute freedom with it

he went on camera after release during an interview and said explicitly that,
>“But I’ve basically done all I could with this game. Of course, I would’ve liked to do some more - but this definitely doesn’t feel unfinished. I don’t want to give the impression at all that this is a game with incompleteness."

https://www.vg247.com/dragons-dogma-2-12-years-in-the-making

he literally did everything he wanted, everything he possibly could with zero restrictions, absolutely nothing holding him back, and it came out arguably worse than THE SAME FUCKING GAME from fucking 12 FUCKING YEARS AGO

>>733743326
Itsuno is a lying piece of shit and you need to learn that people lie, especially Japanese directors.

>>733727352
Itsuno is a hack and he fell for the blastbros telling him he had an amazing game in his hands (jap bugmen can't ever disagree with their superior)

>>733727352
the bottom line is dragons dogma 1 isn't a very good game, it's kind of just monster hunter but open world, on console and with a more dark fantasy visual style so it could appeal to anime haters and with way less big monsters to fight. half the augments either don't work at all or tell you they do something different from what they actually do, most of the classes are just "other class but worse", the game is full of systems that seem neat but lead to nothing and the world is narrow hallways that pretend they're a big sprawling continent.

but dragons dogma 2 has less stuff then the first game, while otherwise pretty much being dragons dogma 1 again, so it's now an outright bad game

>>733743326
You can't take these interviews for truth, especially from Japanese devs. No one is going to badmouth a game and company, its always positivity.

>>733727352
It's not bad it's just a bit disappointing. It feels like a modern remake of DD1. It fixes some stuff but it also waters down a lot of things for no reason. Most people were expecting a straight upgrade over the original, not a sidegrade.

>>733743953
>it fixes some stuff
like what
>most people were expecting an upgrade over the original
why do you retards feel like you need to say this as if it's not the baseline? it's a fucking sequel made over 10 years later, the idea that anyone is just willing to accept that there's LESS shit in it than the original is utterly ridiculous

>>733732197
>>733732679
Of the initial 1 million sales 300k of them were in Japan thats why they made it a Japan only exclusive series after the first game for a while, still dumb since it still sold better in the west as DDO was way better than the shit DD2 we ended up getting.

>>733727352
>What actually wrong with it
Ok so look at the cover art. It shows the arisen torn between two worlds, two lovers even, with the fate of the world at his feet.

Turns out half the game is phoned in and the other is missing, then the story is dropped halfway through and the cop out is that it's meta commentary on the first game.

In other words. It's bullshit.

I wish it was a fucking Arthurian game so bad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffE1-RTTpTE

>>733743151
The town's fine, but if your neurons didn't activate until the town due to, I assume, objectives.. you might be a retard groomed too hard by modern games and can't take in and enjoy good environments anymore. What a shame.

>>733745551
what the FUCK are you talking about mate were you stoned or drunk when you went there? it looks like shit, the layout is laughably bad, the npcs are all soulless nothingturds, and even the music was completely forgettable.

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>>733727352
I'm gonna tell you the truth.
They made intentionally DD2 suck and empty, because Black Myth: Wukong was in competition.
Rothchilds pressed capcom. There were unusual bunch of hate mobs that unnecessarily shitting on DD2 too.

DD1 is one of those games I wanted to play on release, but I never got to it. Then I played Dark Arisen last year, and it's easily one of my favourite games. Is there even a chance they'll do a Dark Arisen for DD2 and fix all the shit you people are complaining about?

>>733746871
March will be the second year anniversary.
if nothing happens then, it never will. as they haven't uttered a single fucking word about DD2

>>733746871
>Is there even a chance they'll do a Dark Arisen for DD2 and fix all the shit you people are complaining about?
no

>>733727352
it being not very good is its main problem

>>733746426
If this was true, that'd just make Wukong falling from the public's eye even more pathetic. Even if it's mourning the wasted potential, people are still talking about DD2 now, especially with Crimson Desert around the corner.

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>>733727352
people will tell you it's the performance and bugs, but in truth it's that this game is fundamentally bad at the core level. it has bad gameplay, bad systems, bad quests, bad world, bad enemy variety, completely unchallenging, etc. it's just a bad game.

>>733746426
you're almost there anon
they did deliberately sabotaged it internally but the real reason is because it would've competed with monster hunter

reminder that the first time itsuno pitched dragon's dogma to capcom's president he rejected it then started monster hunter (surprisingly similar to itsuno's idea) with his son as the project lead

>>733747398
That'd be even funnier with MH's fall from grace. Karma.

>>733747330
you talk like a fag

>>733732197
From what I recall DDON was actually doing decently well financially. So why the fuck did those retards shut it down?

>>733732197
Quite honestly this game is not very good. It has the worst flaws of every MMO, it just has solid combat with cool classes. Imagine DD1 but the quest board is every quest in the game besides the main story. Now imagine if you had to do these quests nonstop so that you can unlock a cave and explore it only to find that its the same copy pasted layout as every other cave and the rewards in the cave are materials that you need 10 of to craft a new sword which will last you for 5 levels before you have to repeat the process again.

No loli no buy

>>733747803
the custom servers fixed the grind.

>>733727352
played 1 and it was so fucking boring. I won't even look in 2's direction.

last time I take /v/'s recommendation for anything.

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>>733727352
didnt read the thread just dropping by to say I luv DD2
I had a blast, personally.

>>733727352
Dark Arisen saved the first game. It does not have a Dark Arisen of its own, there's no kino end game. It's a common story you see these days where the older game has DLC and it fucking rocks, but then the new game comes out and it's worse than the old game+the DLC until the new game gets DLC of its own.

>>733727352
Personally I’m still having an absolute blast with it

>>733727352
>does literally everything the first game does but worse
>doesn't add anything, in fact cuts stuff
I can't believe we're two years past its release and there are still retards trying to defend this shit. I honestly think BLAST HAVERS are trolling at this point. There's no reason to play it over the objectively superior first game.

>>733729616
Not only that, one class basically makes every other one completely obsolete due to being so busted there's never any reason not to pick it.

I had a blast.

>>733733925
>Sorcerer got completely butchered.
I haven't played it but how the fuck did they manage to ruin something as simple as lasering things and turning the screen into a power metal album cover?

>>733748220
This is probably going to be the same. Dark Arisen was also made by a different director, so I still have hopes for a similar revival.
Maybe Itsuno just sucks.

>>733727352
I’m having a blast

>>733749218
its balanced around using the "fast cast" skill that fully drains you stamina for a single spell

Honestly I had a raging itsuno tsunami blast with it

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>>733747398
monhun is better then dragons dogma so maybe itsuno just has bad opinions when it comes to big monster fighting rpg

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>>733727352
-classes too simple. no customization at all. for some fucking retarded reason you can have all the skill at the same time. making some very situational skills completly useless to equip.
-gear is just numerical upgrades, customization
-ring are completly useless, the effects are so minor that it doesnt matter at all.
-story is stupid and hamfisted, the excuse for your pawns not get close to the castle is stupid, just to not reveal the plot point later after you completed the fetchquests.
-the fuck is the point to have a jail when it doesnt matter at all?
-the dragons aids is fucking useless when you just can check the eyes of the pawn and throw it from a cliff. the way it should work is: theres no way to tell who got it, and the pawn transform into a dragon you have to while you are playing in the wilderness.
-they hype up that fight against the colossos, when you can just do nothing and it reach the end and dies.
-battahl furries hate pawns, but you can enter the city with yours no problem at all.
-developer time waste in a compendiun of every fucking npc in the world because that fucking idiotic beloved system.
-you can just pause and spam erbs to heal you
-bonefires make the game way WAY too easy

thats what i remeber after not playing it since release. it was incredible disapointed by the game and it make me mad as hell. that say, i had a blast playing it the first time. i love it and i hate it.

>>733751015
Even when I was hating it I was having a blast

>>733727352
The first game was a shitty unfinished offline-MMO. But it was saved by the DLC introducing some actually good dungeon crawling.

The second game is exactly the same as the first game but with better graphics and less variety classes, but no DLC that saves the game and makes it ecent.

>>733731317
after I finished the captain's tasks I was like "cool tutorial done", but that was like 1/3 of the main quests kek

>>733742492
>didn't add a single new monster
There were new monsters like Medusa but there are so few of them on the map it really didn't feel like you fought anything new half the time.

>>733747781
they shut down the division that worked on it and Monster Hunter Frontier, Capcom Online Games, because they overall did not make money
they tried Deep Down as one last swing and it didn't get enough attention

>>733742492
>didn't add a single new monster
minotaurs, slimes, rattlers, dullahan and medusa are all new

>>733751697
>they tried Deep Down as one last swing and it didn't get enough attention
I had to legit Google this cause I forgot all about it.

>>733751697
I'm pretty sure it received a decent amount of attention. However you could tell from the footage that they had no real, concrete vision for it.

>>733746871
not even remotely, it's a dead IP now with its creator and director gone and doing other shit at a completely different company

>>733727352
I liked it a lot, had a lot of fun with it, a blast even.

>>733727352
Remember the lazy cooking cutscene that was just a fucking video of a piece of meat.

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Remember all the copes about the player numbers? Yeah, even a random SINGLE PLAYER rollslop game outshines Dogma 2.

>>733751782
I swear Minotaurs and Dullahans were in the first game.

>>733754179
No. Minotaur like dudes were in the first game with the BBI dlc, but they were just dudes in bull helmets.
No DUllahans.

>>733754179
>>733754252
Also I think Medusas were new as well.

I'd like to know how/why they didn't include the cockatrice in DD2 since it was mostly a griffin retexture and they fucking spammed griffins at you
in the final game there's literally just medusa as far as I know that can petrify you, but the status effect is still there

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>>733727352
It's just okay. Some things are definitively better than the first game but a lot seems to have been lost.
Frankly if it got a Dark Arisen expansion treatment I'd say a lot of it is still fixable, but it didn't so it is what it is.
It's like comparing an 8.0-8.5 game to a 7.0-7.7 game from the old days when these scores still indicated pretty decent games.

Execute every 2nigger.

>>733727352
Music bad, art bad, characters bad, writing bad, world design bad, quest design bad, new vocations bad