How do you even top this?Where can they go from here?
No forced shitty buffer or native input lag would be a start
>>733746109they make a game with less characters centered around an annoying gimmick that makes the game less fun than the previous entries
Smash needs new mechanics
Shit 2 Edition
>>733746109Do rosterfags really think that having the biggest roster makes the game better?Melee is still better than Ultimate despite having less characters.Like nobody even uses 90% of the stages because they are all shit. Like the Great Cave Offensive.Lol.
>How do you even top this?having actually good netcodehaving actually good matchmakinghaving actually good character balancehaving actually good single player instead of a bunch of le ebin wacky event matchesamong other things
>>733746109I would play Super Smash Bros. if it wasn't a side-scroller.
Get rid of assist trophies. Either playable or not at all.
>>733746109Honestly they should add more fair stages that people would actually use competitively, the competitive scene is limited to like 7-10 stages out of the 103 in the game lol.
>a more realistic artstyle>camera a little more zoomed inThats a good start. Also, bring back every character and rework the stage selection because most of them are garbage.
>>733746420As a casual Smash player, yes, the game with more movesets, items, and stages is better. The overly fuck huge maps suck, but the rest are fun
Most retards I hear seem to think the logical next game would cut about 80% of the roster and make up for that by re-making ganondorf and sonic.
>>733747024>rework the stage selectionI know it's not your point, but picking the stage first bugs the absolute shit out of me. I hate it so much. Feels so wrong.
>>733746109You don't. Your either reboot or add with DLC
>>733746109Open world smash bros like Elden Ring
>>733746109they could make a good game next time. imagine a smash game with actually good netcodeor a smash game with substantial single player content and a robust stadium modeult was honestly such a phoned in game, it was missing all sorts of extremely basic features. I'd really want them to do things properly next time
They wouldn't be brave enough to do this but for the next one they should totally just get rid of like 2/3 of the roster and add entirely new characters.
>>733747169Yes that was such a stupid change
The most realistic way to do it would be a new game that plays and looks extremely similar to ultimate with enough changes to be its own thing, bring back everyone and just keep adding more characters until we have like 100
>>733746109Smash Remix is better.
>>733746109Make an actual good game From a casual perspective no trophies and no subspace/story sucksFor a Competative point of view the game is still campy, and the input lag is retarded. Anyone who says there's nothing to be improved doesn't actually like video games
>>733746109Remove all of the Fire Emblem characters, tell Sakurai to fuck off, add Master Chief and Doom Guy, remove more than half of the roster, remove half of the stages, expand the rule options like what Smash 64 Remix did, add music tracks people care about, stop using this retarded menu gui that no one likes, add a story mode, add rollback netcode, add proper lobbies like any resonable fighting game should have, kick Sakurai in the mouth for being a contrarion bitch.>>733746156>>733746683>>733747024These.>>733747761Only correct take so far.
>>733746109>How do you even top this?By making an actually good game and not just rosterfaggotry pandering.
>>733748173this
>>733747708>bring back everyone and just keep adding more characters until we have like 100
Items are too broken, Assists pop all the time and are way too strong, the amount of stage control gained from most of them is insane. 1 hit KO collecting items (Daybreak/Dragoon) aren't fun, nor are the "Mash or you die off the top" ones (Galaga/Beetle). All of that while, granted you chose Smash Meter, you get to look at a cutscene every once in a while, because playing as Turbo mode Wario was too fun, I guess.The online sucks ass both in terms of netcode and general infrastructure. Arenas are the most offensive in my eyes. There's a large enough subset of people that are just okay with hosting 1v1 arenas with more than 4 people. All you do here is wait, even if the best player agrees and gentlemans to swapping out if they're on a long winstreak. Why can't you have several matches going on at once? Switch 1 probably got in the way since these are both laggy but no Squad Strike (which is worse All Star from PM, since you can't choose the amount of characters in, you're restricted to 3v3 or 5v5) or Stage Morph sucks cock. People complain enough about the standard matchmaking and everything it's missing too, usually comparing it to S4's For Fun/For Glory. Kinda sad how you can be worse than such a restrictive mode that at least did its job.A lot of characters are poorly designed and unfun, and it's an active effort to make them tolerable for both sides, which is an endeavor lost on most people. Falcon's probably the best example. The amount of small adjustments needed to make his kit work as it should against a competent opponent is deceptively difficult since a bunch of tools like landing UpAir got nerfed. You could just be a lazy bitch and spam UpB, you have enough mixups especially if it's a triplat stage or even just platforms, and online will save your ass if not. Universal 3F jumpsquat and landing lag reduction can turn everyone into a hit & run frog, since you barely need to care for autocancel windows.Game's just not very fun.
>>733748487The item selection needs a complete rework. Many items serve the exact same purpose, some games have way too many items, like Skyward Sword having 2 items despite being a completely forgotten game.
Smash RunTrophiesMore returning stagesMore DLC charactersNew assist trophies, as chaotic as RathalosNew itemsGG, none of this should be too hard to implement given the years they had.
Add Dante and Vergil
>EVERYONE IS HERE<except Steve and Fire EmblemThere, fixed it
>>733746109They go in a completely different direction like making it a 3D fighter. Basically a Mario 64 multiplayer romhack.
>>733746109Smash 4 had better design than this.
>>733749108Fuck no, Smash 4 looks like shit
>>733746109bring back smash runbring back all star modego back to sm4sh's classic modebring back all the mii costumes from sm4shbring back custom characters make charizard his own character again and give pokemon trainer charmander or another fire type
>>733746109I just want interesting single-player stuff again
Shield specials
>>733749349The fucking sticker adventure mode is wild
>>733746109>how do you top the second worst smash burger brosJeez I dunno.
>>733749154nah, Smash 4 had a much better artstyle
>>733749108>>733749154>>733749813You guys are funny. There was no game called smash 4 or smash four.I believe you're talking about smash FOR.smash for wii u or smash for 3ds.
>>733748941Banjo lost.Steve won.
>>733746109remove all third party characters and add more single player content like subspace
>>733749876Potato, Potahto
will smash have a switch 2 presence this year?in any way?
>>733746109>heavily reduced cast>completely new movesets for all vets>3v3 tag team mechanic a la mvc>bring back edge hogging, melee dashdance and air momentuminb4 "waaaah no you cant do that I just want the same floaty rehash slop for the 8th time again"
>>733750316fuck off smellee fag, you're just gonna go back to it anyways
>>733749876Actually, I think its called tr4sh
>>733746109Add Shadow the Hedgehog as a playable character
30 veterans and 20 newcomers
>>733748487It is pretty annoying how much the assist trophies and pokeballs play the game for you these days. So many of them just nuke half the stage or they fly towards you and then nuke half the stage. It's especially annoying when it's the pokemon since you can't KO them
>>733750174Isn't this the longest gap between new games? What the fuck is Nintendo doing?
>>733747024I don't want a more realistic style.Actually I want everyone to look like they were ripped straight from their home game
>>733749887wrong
>>733750695mad?
>>733746109Add more characters and more stages. If you want to get fancy, rollback netcode.
>>733750576*Add Tails as a playable character.
Go back to Nintendo only characters
>>733746109 better online, updated moves updated character models. more cosmetics. It's easy.
>>733746990With hazards off there are almost 20 stages that are balanced. Most tournaments limit it to 5-7 to keep picking and counterpicking fast and easy. Midgar, Dream Land 64, Yoshi Story, and Battle Field are just Battlefields so why keep all four legal?
>>733750821based true fan
>>733747024Opposite. Each character should like they come from their own game. Don't make a universal art style that every character has to adhere to.
Back to basics. Remake smash 64
>>733746109Take the DOA route and make Super Smash Sis. Xtreme.
>>733750585focusing on movies
Get rid of those retarded animal stock voices for Bowser and Donkey Kong, why are they STILL using them
>>733746109Nintendo is capable of making fantastic games but I cant see them ever topping Ultimate. You can only expand upon it.
>>733746109Open world
>>733746109nowhere! they can't! i guess that means we have to move on from smash and discuss something else, right?
>>733746109Either don’t, or you go all in with crossover stuff and have it be Smash vs Sega or Smash vs Jump!
>>733750821As far as Sakurai is concerned, you should be thrilled you got a Mii costume.
>>733751171Mindbroken.
>>7337461091. fix the buffering and input lag2. actual good online for once3. shield drop, longer and slightly easier wavedash/land4. more options out shield in general5. fix the C-stick, never ever nerf it again6. Subspace 2 and bring back trophies7. lemme fix the cast cause I'm fucking done with gen x and gen z retards ruining the roster
add Goku
>>733750750at trannies, they are freaks, which you are defending
>>733751558damn this bothers you so much, seethe i guess
>>733746420>having actually good netcodeSmash with good online seems like such a no brainer that I'm shocked we still don't have it. Sadly the best online experience I had with Smash was 3DS, and even then half the For Glory games would be people spamming dodge until you punish them or take the bait. Plus even with friends you couldn't do Smash Run.
>>733752120shut up tranny defender, nigger lives dont matter, banjo won
>>733752289>banjo won...the worst DLC character award.
>>733752358Steve is the worst DLC because Minecraft is pro trans unlike Banjo Kazooie
>>733746109A game with more fun, dynamic gameplay, adding momentum back to jumps would be a start.
>>733750910PSABF did that and it looks like shit
>>733746109make the game not annoying as shit to actually play. Probably can't do better if all you do is jerk off to the css though
>>733746109another botw reskin
>>733753636You jest, but a Battle Royale Smash Run would be very fun.
>>733753754I'm not joking, I could see doing it a few ways. The most straight forward is that world of light/subspace emissary being made seamless as you travel you encounter the stages and get into encounters as some bit of narrative ties it all together.One thing I do see happening if that Starfox cameo in Mario Galaxy movie turns out to be true, is that they're building toward a Smash Bros movie.
Don't fix just the characters.Give the stages and other content worthwhile references to actually good games and songs. DK has over 9000 jungle japes remixes, none of them good. Where's Aquatic Ambience? Where's Fear Factory? How about a non jungle stage?Sonic is mostly just modern shit with the same boring Brawl music.
here we go again with tendies justifying rehashes>inb4snoysony is even worse fuck them too
Am I crazy or does it feel incredibly difficult to move? Not quite stiff but it's super difficult to go slightly forwards or backwards unless you're in the air. Makes spacing a bitch unlike any similar game from the past decade
Eh I'll be glad to get rid of some third party characters to be honest and if I wanna play Ultimate again it didn't cease to exist.
>The possibility of Smash having zero new presence in the 20sNiggas are gonna hit their biological clock before there's even a hint of this that comes out in the public. Like imagine waiting until the 30s for a new smash, only to find out it's worse than Ultimate. Aside from some obtuse decisions with the online, the biggest thing that ruined Ultimate for me especially compared to 4 is how the new secondary buffer system completely guts a lot of the fluidity and player expression from the previous entry. Genuinely feels like I'm playing in mud for the entire time.
>>733754634mods kind of spoiled me with a new smash bros, i dont care about seeing what would they do with isaac, paper mario, viewtiful joe and such since i already have a mod for thosefor me to be interested smash has to be a completely different game like an all-star game for a different genre
I really liked how in 4 you could go online, find someone and play without any hassle. Any amount of rematches, can switch characters, no random ass rules and you don't have to play the same guy over and over again. It was just playing the game without any "competitive" bullshit tacked on it. And it worked like a charm without unplayable buffer causing frequent airdodge suicides and input lag making some attacks into unreactable nonsense. It was pretty cool to play with anons in the /vg/ thread for a time.I also liked how I could see the characters and they didn't blend into the background.
>>733753636as much as I hate open world spreading in nintendo games, it would be kino just playing as smash characters running around in some kind of world, pure autism imagination kino, running around with the characters and there's specific dialog interactions
All they have to do is add new characters. Nintendo knows who people actually want, they just put them as assists.
>>733746109They could always do another 10 fighter DLC to generate sales and expectation for another 4 years.
>>733746109Easy. Add new main gameplay mechanics. A tag team mechanic would be nice. You can switch between characters in battle. Refresh the characters since it's long needed for a bunch of the OG Smash Bros characters. Add actual good single player mode. The one in Ultimate sucked.
>>733755416Well the characters is the one thing they have the competition doesn't have as well as a higher budget. All the smash clones have characters nobody cares about and a lower budget too lol.
Meelee HD
>>733755549biggest problems with the smash clones is they're either dogshit games which collapse even when they have goodwill initially or they cater super hard to autists at the expense of everything except super sweat 1v1 on not battlefield. It's been like 25 years and these retards still haven't realized everything starts with making a good overall game first
Update almost every old character to have similar broken mechanics to the DLC characters.
>>733755229I could see it being a lot like those What if scenarios from Dragon Ball Xenoverse games, DK mistaking Fox McCloud for being a banana thief, Mario fighting DK on a stage resembling the original arcade machine, ect.
There are iditos that really think they are going for the reboot? It would be MK world all over again, if they release a new game with less characters people would just stick to ultimate.
A Kino movement system instead of just tranny dash dancing slop or hopping around like fleas. My game is really precise when it comes to the movement so it took awhile but I'm finally done I think. Still managed to get a lot done despite running out of weed due to a low quality shitty cart falling apart on me
>>733754257Movement frame lag is higher in Ultimate.
>>733756027What game
>>733746109Back to brawl when smash was fun
>>733756151It's not really a smash-clone but I did take Melee's physics and fighting style and fix it by working around cheap shit with mechanics that punish troonspam or just eliminate it like no more juggling, tilts, ledge gimps and chain grabbing.
>>733756327Gimmick is that you move very differently. This is what the game's all about. I just slapped Melee mechanics on it cause I raged so hard at tourneyslop it gave me an idea
>>733756027DUDE
>>733756728FREMBO genuinely does make me better at game development. I'm more patient with Unreal 4 and don't get demoralized and less creative/more practical when shit doesn't go smoothly
>>733747219NINTENDO HIRE THIS MAN
>>733756943Holy shit stop spying on muh claude
>>733755229Too bad they decided to put open world into METROID of all games and it flopped, predictably, and so now we’re probably screwed and won’t get to see open world in any Nintendo games that actually deserve it and could be fun with it.
>>733746156to this day i still die dumb deaths because a buffered shield command is translated into a down air dodge
>>733755229Fucking KNEW gangstalkers would steal my idea from Claude. This is why the freemason's tried to get me to join their gamedev team. Well whatever I'm still making the game anyway. I'm surprised you didn't specify my dialogue system down to a T. No wonder Claude was shitting the bed earlier too.
>>733750585Previous biggest gap was Brawl to Smash 4, which was 6 years and 8 monthsUlt came out december 2018 and theres still no announcement that a new smash is even in development
>>733747219ninty would probably without irony make smash 6 a BoTW clone since they still have a massive boner for that game
>>733749108I don't get how people think Ultimate looks good. It along with most switch exclusives look like the screen has had bleach poured over it, washing away any saturated colors.
Melee is just better overall just like OOT is better than everything that came after it. Harder, more gritty hits that make you feel satisfied, something that strikes the fear of Yahweh into (((them)))Can't believe they even nerfed Troon Link.Why?Might just sell my 3 month online subscription card honestly. The final boss is too hard too.
Bring back real trophies, get rid of stickers nobody even plays the mode where you use them as stat boostersBring back themed challenges from SSBMHonestly just all the sovlfvl stuff of Melee needs to return
>>733758203Tourney Trannies ruined it. Sakvrai swore never to make another game that could be ruined by troons again. Bet he'll be relieved to see at least one w*stoid understood his game when I release mine.
Just stop trying to appeal to compfags and make a game with content and fun like Brawl again.
Come home to back Combo Devils so you can enjoy this sweet sexy Aztec goddess next month.
>>733758596Not going to bother backing a kickstarter but has there been any word on when it will actually release?
>>733746683This. We have all the NEVER EVER characters so the only thing to improve is the gameplay and online.
IT’S HIS TURN
>>733758958They said on their Kickstarter the game needs one more year in the oven to be complete and the funds make development little faster ofc. Assuming all the rewards have a July 2027 delivery listed next to them, it'll probably release around Spring or Summer 2027. After backing is when they'll allow backers to play on selected weekends until the game is released.
>>733756865Fuck I was gonna drink mouthwash to get drunk and pass out but it's just too dangerous..now I can't sleep cause of Vyvanse. Fuck.
>>733758958Yeah I don't think I'm gonna go on kickstarter...I really don't need money to make the game or even a team of people. The single player is fun enough to sell enough copies to rent a server to put it online.Plus I don't want anyone stealing my idea, even with a working model...
>>733760393Fuck it. This will be the first and the last time. I'm going to be picking up some part time work for booze money in a few days as basically all the rentoid money is spent paying bills. Then I get really get back on the Vyvanse horse. Really missed it and the booze train.
>>733760741And the weed mobile.
>>733759190Sakurai flat-out said never ever."Just because you try hard doesn't mean you'll make it into the battle."
>>733746109You don't.>Spending a shitload of money for rights to Cloud and Sora>Nintendo genuinely expected Steve to bring in millions of Minecraft fans to play a fighting gameThis is the last Smash game.
>>733746109Brawl was the last Smash game to have worthwhile single player so start there. There's literally no excuse for fighting games in the 2020s to be lacking in the single player department when games in the 90s and 2000s did it infinitely better.
>>733746109they don't, most they can do is a switch 2 digital update and a new dlc pass so they don't need to renegotiate everything and still give it a new cycle
>>733764717It's a shame because World of Light could've been kino if they doubled down on the cutscenes instead of the mediocre map system
>>733765096hopefully he has fucked off from Smash for good now but you just know he'll be back again.unless Nintendo just pulls the MK8D treatment on Ultimate and just port the game to S2 in a deluxe version or some shit.
>>733746109Having a proper story mode like Brawl's Subspace Emissary and extra modes like Melee's break the targets, board the platforms, etc.
>>733750585cascating their penises
>>733765198Kart 8 Deluxe existed to salvage MK8 from the Wii U sunken ship, also why it got virtually the whole library ported over to Switch.There's no reason to port Ultimate to 2, as the system can just play the base game perfectly fine.
Less input lagBetter onlineEvent matchesSubspace-esque story modeEither cut the clones or rework their movesets and brand them as echo fighters, we don't need "character A, and character A with a different running animation"
>>733746109Functional online? DLC that isn’t game breaking? A non-tranny pedo competitive playerbase? I see lots of room for improvement.
>>733758958idk but they said weekend betas begin next monthalso why is an indie game mogging nintendo's co-op offerings?
>>733746109They should make it a 3D fighter
>>733746683>having actually good character balanceSincerely, does anyone even believe this is possible? Every single Smash game has had abysmal character balance.>64Pikachu and Kirby are OP as fuck.>MeleeFox, Marth, and Sheik yes, I know Sheik isn't actually top tier, but she's so fucking easy to play that she's OP for 90% of players are OP as fuck. Half the roster is competitively unviable.>BrawlMeta Knight and ICs are OP as fuck, while characters like Olimar, Diddy, and Snake terrify casuals. Ganondorf is the worst character in the game.>4Bayonetta, Cloud, Diddy, Sheik, and Rosalina are OP as fuck. This is the only tier list with a tier below "F", "G", which is coincidentally where Ganondorf is because he's one of the worst characters in the game.>UltimateSteve, Sonic, Snake, G&W, ROB, Min-Min, Kazuya, and Aegis are OP as fuck, and characters like Luigi, Diddy, Fox, Joker, Cloud, Olimar, and Pikachu aren't far behind them. Ganondorf is the worst character in the game.It isn't just the fact that every single game is imbalanced, it's that there's been no clear solution to characters who are over- or underpowered. Heavies have consistently been the worst characters in the game for 25 years, with only Donkey Kong ever being able to break out of C tier (Snake and Kazuya are not traditional heavies). Diddy has been good for 3 games in a row not necessarily because of his infamous Smash 4 kill confirm, but because a character being able to spawn an item at will to hit confirm with is fundamentally broken. Sonic has been top tier for 12 years, and no one likes it.
>>733747219Genius>>733747313You didn't like World of Light?
>>733748487Items peaked in Melee
>smash run>bring back smash run>i miss smash run>SSEBack Combo Devils, cowards
>>733749813How did they do it...
>>733746420>Like nobody even uses 90% of the stages because they are all shit.As opposed to melee?Normal players play on almost every stage without problems, people don't like big stages, and ult has like 8 of them out of a hundred
SHANTAE FOR SMASH!
>>733750585Game development cycles are getting longer and longer, and it's all the more noticeable for Nintendo games because Nintendo is so protective of their IPs. Remember when Nintendo licensed the Zelda IP to Capcom and we got 3 entire-ass 2D Zelda games on the GBC and GBA? Good times.Now we just sit around with our thumbs in our dick holes, waiting for Nintendo EAD / EPD to spend 5+ years developing a single 3D Zelda, and 2D Zelda is all but dead.
>>733750968A Smash 65 remake would be inferior to Smash Remix, what's the point?
>>733770736I never played smash 65. How was it?
>>733769613World of light wasn't great. I think I enjoyed melee Adventure mode more
>>733754313>I'll be glad to get rid of some third party charactersYou can't put the genie back in the bottle, especially when the average Smash player thinks shit like this is somehow realistic. At the end of the day, Smash is basically an enormous advertisement. It used to be an advertisement for Nintendo's IPs, but now other companies likely want their own IPs represented in Smash - for good reason.
>>733754634I started listening to a Smash podcast when I ran out of other shit to listen to at the gym, and you do actually hear prominent players and commentators say shit like this.>I'm not going to compete if Smash 6 comes out and I'm fucking 30>I'm thinking of hanging it upetc.
>>733755785I agree. I think it's more likely that Smash 6 is a Mario Kart 8 Deluxe situation, rather than a Mario Kart World.
>>733758394Smash hasn't tried to appeal to competitive players in 19 years, anon.
>>733765414>There's no reason to port Ultimate to 2, as the system can just play the base game perfectly fineExcept that a Switch 2 edition of Ultimate with a few additional DLC characters would sells tens of millions of units, especially if it was priced at like $30. It's free money.
>>733770797It was okay, but it really just laid the groundwork for Smash 67
>>733770976of course they can put the genie back in the bottle, nintendo have tens of thousands of their own characters to pick from and they can just choose to ignore 3rd parties for the next game
>>733771138it never tried
>>733746109I kinda feel like a reboot or otherwise big shift in direction is what is next. Smash is in a similar spot as Mario Kart was.Mario Kart 8 Deluxe I believe was the highest selling game on Switch. And it even got a huge amount of DLC close to the Switch 2's reveal.MK8D and its DLC is playable as-is on Switch 2. So making "just another Mario Kart" did not make sense. Because not only would MK8D be so difficult to top, but because falling short would hurt even more since players can just go back to MK8D on the same Switch 2.If they try to make "just another Smash" game, with the regular cuts and newcomers like from Melee to Brawl and Brawl to Smash For, it will likely not go so well. Because you can play a Smash game with ALL your favorite characters, a crap-ton of stages, and more all on the same Switch 2.They will have to do something different to make the new Smash game stand out from Ultimate, just like how Mario Kart World stands out so differently from past Mario Kart games. Just adding in some newcomers and stages will not cut it.As for WHAT they may do to make it stand out, I have no solid idea. Transitioning Smash to a 3D platformer fighting game seems unlikely. Adding new gameplay mechanics and depth, maybe. Some characters like Ryu have an unfair advantage since they have more inputs, like angled tilts and input sensitivity. You could provide that to the rest of the cast. Total reworks of veterans would help. Samus, Ganondorf, Sonic (If he returns), even ones like Mario and Luigi can use either a complete overhaul or re-tuning. Recreate these fighters from the ground up like newcomers.There is also the possibility for a real story mode like with Subspace Emissary. Smash is Smash and will sell regardless, but there MUST be something new and interesting to bring fans over from Ultimate if there are going to be cuts. And there will almost certainly (Like 99.99% chance) of there being plenty of cuts.
>>7337461093D.
It's time for the one man army.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtzUPMhsgC4
>>733771458>cut Cloud, one of the most iconic characters in all of video games>replace him with... PaulineYes, I'm sure that will go over will with Smash fans.
>>733771545yes, sounds good to me. and they dont have to talk to square. win-win
>>733771527This
>>733746109Serious question would it be smart to get rid of the third parties like Sora, Sonic, Steve, Ryu, etc? Mario Kart World got rid of its guest characters and it sold wonderful. Sure it didn't outsell Mario Kart 8 Deluxe but that game has been out for nearly ten years while Mario Kart World hasn't even completed a single year in the market.Seems like its a smart move to kick out the Non Nintendo Characters. And before anyone says they are important Smash Wii U had characters like Cloud and it still sold weakly. The Non Nintendo Characters aren't as big of a draw as you may think.
>>733746109>rollback netcode>onilne matchmaking lobby system where you get matched in a lobby then pick characters instead of the unplayable shit they made>remove input lag and input buffer combo that makes inputs feel like mush (I don't know how anyone plays the shotos in this game)>actually add new gameplay mechanics for the first time in 20+ years instead of removing themThe last one would be really nice. Melee was the only game in the series that ADDED multiple core mechanics like up and dthrow, side specials, spot dodging, jump from ledge, airdash, wavedash, powershield, etc. Brawl took some of these away and only added tripping. Ultimate replaced powershields with parry. It would be cool if they added new gameplay mechanics for the first time since Melee added on 64. Every game since Brawl has basically been Brawl with some shifting gamefeel changes.
>>733772612
>>733772612it's smash bros, it'll sell 10 million copies even if you have lanky kong and chibi robo and waluigi and kururin and a dinosaur from fossil fighters and tingle and 50 pokemonavoiding the legal headache and constant meetings with other IP holders to make sure they're happy will save countless hours. another 3rd party smash won't come out until 2040
decent single player content
>>733750585Nintendo underestimated the scale of HD development.
>>733750585by FAR the longestand there's not even a peek of the next game. this is a fucking disaster
I never did get around to Ultimate. Guess it's too late now. Plus I don't want to pay over $130 for the game and all the DLC.
>>733746109>add 12 or 16 players battles>add team battles>add AI generated random stages>add Ai generated random settings and objectives (e.g. specific item droprates, and goals like kill only with fire items and shit)>add new battle modes (e.g. king of the hill, all vs one, etc...)>add more hazards and destroyable stagesPlenty of things to try
>>733750585Yes. Melee released less than two years after 64. This is pathetic.
>>733772568Every single part of your post describes Rivals of Aether 2, but you're very likely not going to play it because it isn't Smash.>rollback netcodeCheck, both server-based and peer-to-peer listen servers.>online matchmaking lobby systemCheck, you can switch characters in ranked, casual, and lobbies. Ranked and lobbies have stage striking, whereas casual is simply stage counterpicking. You can also send chat messages in any matchmaking format.>remove input lag and input bufferingThe game has low input lag and a small, 6f input buffer. It feels very responsive and you won't accidentally buffer inputs unless you're mashing. There's even a setting to suppress buffered A button / C-stick inputs when the control stick is in a neutral position, preventing you from accidentally buffering dash dattack.>actually add new gameplay mechanicsBoth RoA1 and 2 have hitfalling, and RoA2 has getup specials, ledge specials, special pummels, not to mention that the characters all have unique mechanics that are actually balanced, unlike Smash's DLC characters' mechanics.In terms of gameplay, RoA gives Smash players pretty much everything they've ever asked for, down to stuff like an actual training mode (including save states and input programming), character progression and alternate skins, or getting rid of mashing to get out of grab or bury. But it's not a rosterfag game, so they refuse to play it.
>>733773045Unless you have friends to play with IRL it's not really worth it. The online is WORSE than tr4sh and I'm not joking.
>see that a Japanese weekly is live>open stream>Sonic vs. Sonic>1 minute and 30 seconds left on the clock game 3
>>733773045Crazy that the game is still like $120, lmao
>>733773143Nah, I bought ROA2 at launch.It's pretty good but not really any point to play it when Slippi exists. ROA2 went full headlong into making every character have some absolutely obnoxious gimmick that makes it not even fun to win because basically the entire roster feels like pulling teeth to play against. The "unique mechanics" that are "balanced" tend to just feel more like every character is an Ultimate DLC character with some retard gimmick. And then there's core system mechanics like the parry or floorhugging that are just way too central when they should be niche, but instead really the entire game revolves around them the better you get at it. I was pretty disappointed with ROA2 overall after the first one sort of did its own thing. It's the best non-Smash platform fighter along with maybe Slap City, but it's not better than just logging onto Sllippi. I really only play it when I wanna play Lox/Etalus for a little bit and then get exhausted with it after a single session.
>>733773180It's okay, you can watch Peabnut vs Toon this week.
>>733773180The failing point of Ultimate as an esport is that the best characters are the worst spectator options. This happened to tr4sh as well. And Brawl. The problem I think is that the gameplay itself, if you really want to win, boils down to being as safe and uninteractive as possible when limited in the core mechanics to the speed and approach/bait/mixup options you have in neutral to make approaches viable.
>>733773351this but instead of slippi I'm just waiting for combo devils. i hate flugging
>>733772371I think this is a false equivalence. Mario Kart has guest characters and an expansive roster, but they're far from the focus of the game. Zelda, Splatoon, and Animal Crossing getting representation in Mario Kart 8 was an interesting novelty, but there was no real reason to think that it was the beginning of Mario Kart becoming Super Kart Bros.In contrast, Smash has basically been about the roster for years. Nintendo has polled players on what characters they'd like to see included multiple times, and the Smash Dojo gave birth to the pre-release hype cycle of Smash as it exists today. The thing that gets emphasized in Smash trailers isn't the gameplay, or the stages, or the items, it's the characters. There are entire trailers and segments of trailers dedicated to>X is IN!>Y is IN!>Z in IN!>Here's how authentic they are to the original character, please enjoy!The roster is the selling point of Smash, whereas the selling point of Mario Kart is the multiplayer experience, the tracks, and mechanics. Smash is about representation, and going back to only Nintendo characters is going to turn a lot of people off of Smash 6, especially when the well of relevant characters from active Nintendo IPs is more or less dry.
TSYEAAAH!
>>733773351Fair enough. While I personally disagree with some of your criticisms, I respect that you actually have some instead of>idk lol it's gay furshit lmao
>>733773595I backed Combo Devils, but I have my doubts about it. The roster is going to be a sticking point for a lot of people, not because of the character designs but because it's currently looking to release with a maximum of 7 characters. Most of my other concerns will probably be alleviated when backer weekends begin, but we'll see.
>>733773740It's also gay furshit for trannies.
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>>733746109Smash needs to go into versus territory. Nintendo vs Sega, Nintendo vs Sony, etc
>>733773984It's already there
>>733773775i have no expectation it will have legs, but I'll dump hundreds of hours into it regardless.to answer OP's question: i want smash 6 to have new mechanics and to not feel like another update to brawl
>>733773984Shonen Jump vs Nintendo would go crazy.
>>733774059>i want smash 6 to have new mechanics and to not feel like another update to brawlYou will getting Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Deluxe: Nintendo Switch 2 Edition, and you will be happy
>>733746109Hear me out: Smash Ultimate Switch 2 Edition
>>733748140>You forget it's a game made by Japanese peopleAre anons here really that retarded
>>733773364FUCK
>>733773217Nintendo NEVER does price drops on first party titles. Smash Ultimate is an eight year old game. It should reasonably be no more than $20 new for the base game now but it's still full price.
>>733769613Nta but world of light was pretty mehI wish it had gotten the subspace emissary treatment with a cooler story and various cutscenes of these characters I love interacting together in unlikely duos and stuffBut other then that it's pretty whatever playing with bots will never be as fun as playing with my frens
>>733773180>check back in>Sonic vs. ROB grand finalsIt's all so tiresome
>>733774695>Nintendo NEVER does price dropsThey do, it's just rare. I bought Odyssey with 60% off on the eshop a few years back
>>733774695Their reasoning is kinda cute but also backhandedIt's something along the lines of "we don't drop prices on older games because we don't want people to feel like they were ripped off and that they could've gotten it for cheaper if they just waited 15 years to buy this game"And like that's kinda sweet but it falls apart when you start to think about iy for more than 10 seconds
>>733774786That's not a price drop that's just a sale
>>733750316>bring back edge hoggingThis is the laziest fucking mechanic that disincentivizes risky edgeguarding attempts and is one of the primary reasons why half the cast of melee was not competitively viable. We have years of data of SSBU competitive content to show intricate the ledge is at that game, strategy that doesn't exist in SSBM. NO. NOOOOOOOO.If you REAAALLLY want edgehogging back, how do you incentivize someone to still want to go for broke knock the enemy offstage when they can safely slip offstage and edgehog so they can fall to their doom?For the other two, I'd need to see your reasoning for Dash dancing but I'd like to see you sacrifice some shield health to maintain conservation of momentum when jumping. As it stands, Air speed is decoupled from run speed to create another option to differentiate characters. Plus, it incentivizes you to be tricky with B/Wave bouncing for movement. Diddy Kong is one big example where he's actually slow in the air, but he doesn't at all look like it with the gazillion options he has. What exactly do you have in mind for the gameplay neutral?
>>733746109Having good online would be a nice start. Nintendo needs to stop being ages behind with this. Also, add my girl and don't suck off BotW/Totk.
>>733770976I meant some annoying characters
>>733775258if you had ever played melee you'd know how dynamic edgeguarding is in that game, edgehogging only trivializes edgeguarding when they LITERALLY have zero options except to go to ledge, and in those circumstances, anything that beats going to ledge has THE EXACT SAME FUNCTION as edgehogging, and EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER has options that beat going to the ledge. only someone who has never actually thought about how edgeguaring works in melee could say the retarded shit you're saying. ignorant people should really just shut the fuck up
>>733775534hmmmm nyo
I'm fine as long as Pac-Man and Mr. GAME & WATCH are in it
>>733775258>>733775534the real issue with melee is how long ledge invincibility lasts, and being able to trivially refresh said ledge invincibility. it's completely not ok to give that many iframes just for grabbing the ledge, and even we were to pretend it was okay, it's completely not okay to give it out that invincibility forever perpetually for as long as anyone wants. this is why every single plat fighter after melee never made that mistake ever again, it's obviously retarded if you think about its implications for more than 2 seconds
>>733747761>No Diddy >All those 3rd parties No it isn't.
>>733775534Anon, I can pull up grandfinals or any top 8 of a major and find half the stocks taken via edgehogging. The standard for dynamic edgeguarding and the ledge game at large has increased when you add SSBU to the mix.>>733775763The other issue is the iframes when you dash out of the ledge. This disincentivizes ledgetrapping while ledgetrapping being a massive MASSIVE mechanic that has to be studied and prepared for in SSBU as it's more dangerous to be stuck on the ledge than being stuck in the corner in a traditional as you risk losing your stock at low percents.
>>733776231>Anon, I can pull up grandfinals or any top 8 of a major and find half the stocks taken via edgehogging. Yeah as a mixup. you're fucking braindead dude
>>733746109Reboot or Bust>>733746260Tpbp >>733746336Nope>>733746420“Bigger” doesn’t always mean “better”>>733746683>How do you even top this?Good character choices and less favoritism. Modders made Excitebiker work and it’s gotten me literally excited. This is the retro rep Ultimate needed.https://youtu.be/uJZ7pAbPNiM
>>733776301Samurai isn't going to reboot SSB when he's right there to hitting creating a fighting game with a roster of 100 characters.
Add more Sonic characters
>>7337461093D Smash game, like Divine Knockout but good.
>>733775734Contrarian faggot
>>733746972Eighth Post Best Post, also get rid of Mii Costumes and Miis themselves. >>733747761Smash REX is even better>>733748487Didn’t read too much of that but I’m sure I’d agree with most things.>>733748941I’d remove Persona too, I can’t believe certain roster building videos either want to add more reps or keep trash like Joker.>>733749108I also miss how certain Smash 4 Omega Stages had walls. Literally every Ultimate Omega Form is Temu Final Destination.
How is slippy? Does it lag or not?
>>733749451Inkling introduced Shield SpecialsTerry introduced Back SpecialsI want to see more cool ideas further utilized.
>>733777907best online any fighting game has
>>733770668>2D Zelda is all but dead.Agree to disagree with this.
>>733770976I struggled to think of a deep cut until I remembered Ayumi Tachibana, she’s the perfect deep cut retro rep. Linkle is in cracked because she’s lowkey a “Never Ever”, but I think she would be fun if you gave her not just the Dual Crossbows but Pegasus Boots too for Kicking Attacks. Pauline is definitely a realistic pick with how much she’s been pushed lately. I’m just wondering if she will have the Mario or DK series symbol icon.
>>733752120>video games as mainstream as minecraft now compromised and use faggot grooming nomenclature>"uhhhh why do you care?"
>>733778221Its rosterfagging time, post them
Name a big glaring omission you can think of. Get as nitpicky as you can.
>>733778143Hey, that was my post.
>>733778328and somehow that bothers youseethe
>>733778617Ganon, Tom Nook and Dixie Kong are the must haves left to be added.
>>733765414Anyone seen Delzethin’s prediction video of Smash 6? https://youtu.be/k9zJuAsIVAc?si=Z8iElTVVwshMTeBDThe starting roster by itself is totally fine by itself, but the DLC and some of its choices step into unrealistic territory. Not to mention the concept of “Veteran DLC” may seem scummy to some, it somewhat feels like its trying to do “Everyone is Here” again in a way. heck some of the DLC I could see making the base roster instead like Pauline over Waluigi for example. Let’s compliment and roast him on his prediction video which he states is just for fun.
You know it's going to be Super Smash Bros World with some big open world single player mode.
>>733777856>Smash REX is even betterBased, it made me realize what made Smash Ultimate boring. In Ultimate, the stages are boring, there are no fun gimmicks or they are way too annoying, the characters play way too similar and trophies are thousand times better than spirits. Final Smashes are now often just "press button, flashy cutscene happens".
>>733758958>Miltank mentionedGuess I’ll post this, haven’t posted it in a while. Might redo it with the Brawl structuring of having each series organized by going down a column.
>>733778617I'm not a rosterfag, but the only 5 characters I'd like to see are:>Dixie KongVery obvious pick, has been a recurring Donkey Kong character for 20+ years; not just a recurring character, but a protagonist and deuteragonist. In a perfect world, I'd like to see Diddy and Dixie reworked into a single, tag team character - basically a combination of Ice Climbers and Aegis.>Paper MarioIt's a bit baffling that Toon Link is in Smash, but Paper Mario isn't. It's arguably Nintendo's most successful spin-off series outside of Mario Kart (and Smash itself). Also, it'd be cute for Game & Watch to have a 2D friend.>Travis TouchdownNo More Heroes is synonymous with Nintendo even though it's a third party IP. I don't know why it has no representation in Smash. Travis is also a perfect fit for a crossover fighter full of Japanese video game characters, considering he's an insufferable weeaboo faggot.>Monster HunterMonster Hunter is an iconic series with a very positive relationship with Nintendo platforms, and it already has representation in Smash in the form of a Mii costume and the Rathalos assist trophy. It was a missed opportunity to not have a Monster Hunter character in Ultimate.>ShadowStreet Fighter has two representatives who share similar movesets, but with Ken being distinct enough to not be considered an echo fighter. Shadow's basically made for this shit, regardless of how you feel about the character.I feel like all of these are pretty realistic, too.
>>733764134>>Nintendo genuinely expected Steve to bring in millions of Minecraft fans to play a fighting gameAt least Smash doesn't need Minecraft to sell well. Sega hyped up Steve in Sonic Crossworlds and that shit bombed.
>>733758203Even if all the stuff from Melee returned it wouldn’t be the same. Melee came out at the perfect time where the internet wasn’t as mainstream and leaks were non-existent. However one thing I’d like to comeback is stages from retro reps taking liberties and reimagining them with modern graphics.Ice Climber got this treatment with Icicle Mountain and Summit. Fun Fact: Ice Climbers Melee Target Test uses the NES layout. Wrecking Crew got it. But not stages like Duck Hunt and 75m.
Say what you want about Sakurai's sense for good gameplay, but he 100% knows how to hype people up for a product. On a completely unrelated note, Deltarune is 100% guaranteed to get a character in Smash 6 knowing how popular it is in Japan, how buddy-buddy Toby is with Nintendo, and how much hype it would generate.
>>733771545>Yes, I'm sure that will go over will with Smash fans.Actual Smash fans (aka Nintendo fans) care more about Pauline than Cloud. Nintendo could cut him and it wouldn't impact the sales at all.
>>733756275Brawl had the best distribution for each franchise. No series feels like it has too few or too many characters as there is a maximum of four character slots going down a column on the selection screen in Brawl (although Pokémon and Zelda technically have more with Pokémon Trainer and Zelda/Sheik respectively).Sakurai wanted to avoid over-representing certain series pre-Ultimate, which is probably one of the reasons why Wario wasn't added in Melee. Brawl also has nearly all of the characters you'd expect to see from each represented series. Albeit if you don’t count Wario and Diddy this is the only game to not have a true Mario newcomer. Down to not having the Mushroom series icon. The only one I'm iffy on is Metroid with Zero Suit Samus who felt like they wanted to add someone from Metroid, but felt Ridley was "TOO BIG" at the time so they just added Zero Suit Samus because of Zero Mission. There's also cutting Mewtwo who was the only character I feel was an unjustified cut. Jigglypuff should’ve been the one to sit out Brawl, not Mewtwo. That also begs the question, would people even ask for Puff to come back in Smash 4?
>>733780147>no true smash fan fallacyalright good luck with that
>>733780365Brawl was perfect, only Tom Nook and Mewtwo were missing.
>>733780365>That also begs the question, would people even ask for Puff to come back in Smash 4?As a 64 autist, I must say yes. Though I must add, I also mained Puff in Brawl and Smash 4 (didn't play him in Melee, and don't really like him much in Ultimate).
>>733780936>him
>>733779249>trophies are thousand times better than spiritsRead’em and Weep!https://youtu.be/CIeW1rMBcsU?si=_5mEMcWYMkskGbX5
how would (you) rank the games?Ult>Melee>4>Brawl>64>didn't play 3ds
>>733764134I wonder how much 3rd party character rights cost on average.>>733781491Melee>Ult>64>Brawl>4
>>733781491 Melee > Brawl > 64 > 3DS > Wii U > Ultimate Why do I consider Ultimate the worst you may be asking? Well to name a few reasons it got rid of trophies, some concepts like echo fighters aren’t done right as a concept, all star mode is just another lame multi-man smash, it removed for fun and for glory in the online modes, blatant bias for certain series when it comes to newcomers, there’s other little nitpicky stuff but I’ll leave it here.
>>733781386I say everyone should just call the Pokémon characters “it” Not to be confused with the “Pennywise It”
>>733755785Ult is fucking shit so no, they wouldnt. Muh character count doesnt matter past 40 or so>>7337814914 > Melee > 64 > Brawl > Ultimate
>>733781491Melee>Brawl>Ultimate>3DS>64>Wii UBut they are all pretty good
I wanted to like smash bros ultimate so bad since Simon and Ridley were in it. But after that honeymoon phase was over, all of its problems started showing.>Spirits suck compared to trophies / custom moves>Flea-like gameplay where everyone is hopping around spamming unpunishable aerials that has now metastasized into the campiest, lamest meta any smash game has ever had, even worse than Brawl>Everyone is so close to the average speed, shares jump speeds and so on, that it exacerbates the previous problem while making most characters feel same-y>Several turd party characters that don't deserve a slot wasting one>Online that is somehow legitimately worse than Smash 4 in every way>Disappointing bloated event mode single playerI mean at least this game has some awesome boss fights. I'll give it that
>>733783038>I mean at least this game has some awesome boss fights. I'll give it thatAnd they dont even have a boss rush mode kek
Bump>>733783038>Honeymoon Phase>Fire Emblem became more of a punching bag for it’s unnecessary favoritism There’s nothing redeemable about Ultimate.
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>>733747761Smash 64 is fun but too floaty.
>>733778993>faggot nu-DK>eye skin flap nu-Diddy>faggot nu-Link>real Link named "Classic Link">nu-Zelda>bara nu-Ganondorf>ugly furfag totk goat>keeping Robin and Byleth>ring fit over wii fit>generic monster hunter>keeping echo shit>literal who over Louie or even a fucking bulborb as second Pikmin rep>tarnished>more nu-Fire Emblem>ugly ass hag Chun-Li>3 Monolith in base roster yet needs another one as DLC>guilty gear>deltatroon>fucking jigglypuff, Ike, Falco, etc as DLC>keeping shit like JokerThanks for posting the image so I don't have to waste time watching his gay video.Sakurai, I will never buy the game if you put anything of the above into it.
>>733781491>>733781694Same. Don't care about tourneyfaggotry,. Melee and Brawl are superior because of their content and modes. But Melee wins because of it's style and menues are the nicest to look at, and would've won even if it was slow as shit and had tripping. Wii U is arguably better than 3DS, but 3DS had at least Smash Run when Wii U had nothing. Ultimate is by far the worst one in every single way.
>>733778617Not much of a sonic fan, but no second character seems really fucking weird to me. No tails, knuckles, eggman, fucking shadow? You managed to make a deal with the devil (squenix) for sephirot and sora, but you couldn't even make an echo fighter for sonic? Does nintendo sill see sega as a mortal enemy or something? maybe that is the case, which would explain why sonic's moveset in smash is so lame, lmaoAlso this isn't exactly a roster issue, but how is there literally 0 ace attorney in smash? Not even a single fucking spirit from what could be argued to be one of the most popular series of games that were nintendo exclusive for a long time. I highly doubt it's a capcom issue, so what gives?
I just realized Ultimate will be the last smash with the real DK. Its a sad world we live in.
>>733749154I was talking game design.
>>733746109Le fresh start Or just pull a MK8 Deluxe and just expand upon it while not making a new entry this whole gen (deluxe counts as one for some fucking reason)
>>733746109Oh holy shit I feel retarded I used the wrong Pic mb
>>733786682Brawl was peak in everything except in gameplay, wich is the most important aspect.I still consider it to be tied with Melee as the best Smash game. Hated by tourneyfags and zoomers who never played it.
>>733746109Let's be real, a Smash 6 would be unnecessary because you can still play old games on the Switch 2.
>>733746109make the gameplay good next time, but could easily gut half of this dogshit roster and no value would be lost
>>733779583WHERE is she?
>Let's be real, a Smash 6 would be unnecessary because you can still play old games on the Switch 2.
>>733781491Top tier:>Project +>Remix>Melee>RoA2High tier:>Slap City>RoA1Mid. tier:>Ultimate>64>4 3DSLow tier:>Brawl>4 WiiUWhile I agree that Ultimate is lacking in a lot of ways, it's still the most polished nu-Smash and I'd happily play it over Brawl and 4.
>>733789374Crazy how bad 4 was. They somehow made a worse competitive game than Brawl.
>>733789462Putting Steve from Minecraft in Ultimate automatically made that game 100x worse. The fact he is Super Chuck Norris God only added to how absurdly bad his inclusion was.
>>733786991>Let's be real, a Smash 3 would be unnecessary because you can still play old games on the Wii.>Let's be real, a Smash 4 would be unnecessary because you can still play old games on the Wii U.
Just release a switch 2 version with a few new characters and better online features and it would be better than attempting a sequel at this stage
>>733789374>>7337894624 was better than Brawl solely on having functional online (which Ult doesn't even have).
>>733789462Brawl is a weird case because it was bad from the get-go due to Meta Knight, and it never received a balance patch because of the era it was released in. It's arguably the worst competitive game purely because of him, so I don't even consider it a competitive game, really. As for the remaining nu-Smash games, from a competitive perspective I'd have to rank them: pre-DLC Ultimate > pre-DLC 4 > 4 > UltimateUltimate's competitive meta is just so fucking shit it's unreal.
>>733789374>RoA2>Top tierOpinion discarded
>>733791527Ultimate really just needs to ban characters and I don't give a fuck about community whining. At this point if they want the scene to flourish until the next game there are just characters that need to go.
>>733778993>completely cuts the KANTOOOOO trio>Eevee>Meowscarada>Rauru, a one-off character from a game that will be 4 years old by the time that Smash 6 releases>Geno>every other DLC pick is insane
>play 64 with friends for years>play Melee with friends for years>Sakurai spergs out that Melee was loved by tourneyfags>Sakurai makes Brawl with air dodge spam, removes running jumps, adds tripping, makes everyone floaty and the game way way way way slower>play Brawl with friends for a week>we drop it>tourneyfags play Brawl anyways just the sameI never wanted those mechanics removed, and Sakurai destroyed Brawl's gameplay all the same out of spite, and nothing good came out of it
>>733781439Huh didn't know that there were even more trophies besides the character ones, very soulful
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>>733781491(Rex>)Brawl>Ultimate>Wii U=3DS>Melee>64
>>733778993Wouldn't Cai come in the base game? I thought every Fire Emblem dlc shill pick were from FE games that released after their respective Smash game. And Fortune's Weave will come out before Smash 6.>>733791647I heard Nintendo steps in and intervenes if people ban characters from Ultimate and players of that character complain to them.
>>733793145>I heard Nintendo steps in and intervenes if people ban characters from Ultimate and players of that character complain to them.Both of these are true, which is hilarious
>>733746683I've made my peace with Smash just being a Fortnite for only video game IPs that people shitpost about on 4chan and Twitter instead of a functioning competitive game. Just play Melee or Rivals if you want a platform fighter. Or better yet, move on to Street Fighter like Sakurai wants you to do. You have to be seriously mentally ill to think Smash 6 will have functioning online or non dogshit character balance
>>733781491smash 4(3ds)>ult>melee>64(never played)>brawl>wii u
>>733754257It has massive baked in input delay and the most insane buffering system put into an action game. This is a game for you to play while drunk with a bunch of your bros at a party on Hyrule Temple 8-player Smash
>>733758203Trophies were cool because stuff like your pic didn't have 3D models before. They lose their appeal when they're just copy/pasted from whatever game they were from. Or worse, those sprite ones in 4.
>>733793564This is the only sane choice. I don't understand why so many Smash players think that the ship is going to magically turn around and right itself after nearly 2 decades of Brawl, Brawl 2, and Brawl 3.
>>733793770Ironically, the character select screen makes me feel like I'm drunk on the rare occasion that I launch the game.>move stick>cursor lurches forward what feels like half a second later
>>733793145>I heard Nintendo steps in and intervenes if people ban characters from Ultimate and players of that character complain to them.Yeah that would make sense. This is the other thing that basically hamstrings the community. Nintendo will fuck with the competitive aspect of everything.
>>733793785this, they should really just go back to a smaller number of trophies so they can do unique 3d models again. i wouldn't even care if it was just 1 trophy per series / IP.
>>733789734Steve was added and released at the wrong place and wrong time during the covid 19 pandemic, and to this day we are stuck with this untested piece of trash
>>733778617Why the fuck does both Mario & Luigi have a Waluigi alt but not fucking Wario who he is most associated with? Aside from Chrom showing in Robin’s Victory Screens while being playable, this is one of the other “what was Sakurai smoking?” moments. Like I said it would’ve made more sense for Wario to have a Waluigi alt.
>>733796164It's amazing they didn't even patch Ultimate after Sora when they obviously could have. They were completely content to just leave the game in a fuck you state.
>>733748638based
>>733780085Speaking of stages, I’ve always wanted a Mario Party Stage where you hit dice blocks that show up and grant you items or status ailments good or bad like DQ Hero Hocus Pocus, there would be Blue and Red Spaces and if you manage to stay on them for a few seconds you’ll either heal or take 3% damage like receiving coins, not sure how happening spaces could function but I wanted to keep it simple and fun, always hated how Mario Kart got not one BUT TWO STAGES, AND NONE OF THEM ARE RAINBOW ROAD. Same issues with one having more music than the other. Smash Remix innovates by beating Sakurai to the punch every time. Then again, yes I know I’m comparing a free mod to a MSRP game is disingenuous but still. Smash has so much untapped potential in general.
>>733770205The Wii U's Radeon is highly customized and had the final evolution of the GameCube's Texture Environment shading engine which allows it to apply an even more advanced version of the highly regarded fur shading seen in Star Fox Adcentures.It's built into the hardware, this is also why some graphical effects from the GC/Wii(U) in Switch ports were dropped.It's not an exceptionally powerful GPU, but someone at Nintendo wanted it to do a few nice things VERY well and was probably a furry.
>>733797051Interesting information, thanks for sharing
>>733779583Super Bash Sisters Roster, here are some things worth noting It’s crazy how the only full female 3rd party character we’ve ever had in Smash is Bayonetta. Yeah even I forget she exists.I picked Miyu over Krystal because Miyu fit the spacie archetype better. That and I really don’t like Krystal’s design. Fight me!As a Fire Emblem fan, I notice that most fan rosters heavily base the FE lineup off of who’s already in Smash, (which isn’t great considering FE has one of the worst fighter selections of all series in Smash) and the newcomers are just characters like Alear due to recency bias. Also I didn’t include any characters with gender options, that means no avatars since this is a female focused roster. Avatars are dumb, always saw them as cheap cop outs for female representation from FE.
>>733796164Covid lockdown bullshit was so gay, almost as gay as Steve in Smash.>>733796378Sakurai doesn't know and doesn't care about Wario outside of WarioWare, which he barely knows either, that's why he still is le funny reddit fart biker by default and regular Wario in overalls is just an afterthought of an alt.
>>733775371Zelda is the “Potential Man” of Smash Representation.For some reason we keep getting FE one-offs instead.
you can't and they won't, and they don't even want to. Nintendo hates the Smash community at this point and the best they're ever gonna get is Melee on NSO and a Switch2 patch for this.[SPOILER]It's gonna be great watching them gradually melt down as this settles into their thick skulls tho[/SPOILER]
>>733773643Show me a Moose!https://youtu.be/USm9NiE3ayM?si=5UH-pHqkEdlHcGVG
>>733772764Would this have redeemed Prime 4?
>>733770976>At the end of the day, Smash is basically an enormous advertisementThis. Smash 64 and Melee did a damn good job advertising Earthbound and Fire Emblem to westerners (more so than the actual Earthbound ads in 95). Smash is honestly about as blatant in its advertising as games like Yo Noid and McDonalds Treasureland Adventure
>>733746109Are these guys still fucking kids?
>>733778993His alternate timeline video I enjoyed.For those who haven’t watched it’s basically a what if scenario where Smash 64 and Melee got delayed and were given more development time. The Brawl video follows it up by having that game be the rushed game instead and cutting a lot of corners for the Subspace Campaign, namely the cutscenes.The idea of Hungrybox being a Wario main in an alternate timeline is hilarious.
>>733746109Scale back the copy-pasted tranime characters
>>733746109Go back to basics, trim all the fat like clones, rework moves (Mario and his gay sentient hat, DK transforming). I'd hope they just do a better melee.
>>733797457Just like Wario, Sakurai doesn't know or care about Zelda. Sheik and the two stages from Melee are the only good additions Zelda has gotten, but other than that Melee had another lighter Link and Ganondorf just being a fat brown Captain Falcon. Brawl just changed everything to TP's style and Aonuma getting his OC do not steal Toon Link slapped over Young Link. Ultimate just changed main Link to the lame fag from BotW and put in Young and Toon, to have over half the series reps be the same.He cares more for FE and how much he gets paid to put shill characters like those, Pokémon and third parties into the game.
