Are you supposed to play this game without a guide or without looking at the wiki on your first play through like with DS1? I just got it and I want to know the way to have the most fun on a first play though.
>>733748848Nigga, it's a fucking hallway.
>>733748848You're supposed to look up what items and builds are too strong (as determined by me) so you don't accidentally not beat the gamemake sure to strictly count your levels as not to be overleveled for any boss
>>733748948I see, that's kinda disappointing. I really like DS1's world design. I'm not the biggest fan of open world games (or at least I don't see them as the peak of world design), but linear can be a bit obnoxious too, especially in an RPG. DS1 seems like a perfect balance.
>>733748848I didn't look at a thing on any of my first Souls playthroughs so no not really. Unless you've got the tism' that tells you you need to find EVERYTHING the first time. Just use what you find, don't "pick a build" at the start, let it develop as you explore. Did you find some cool magic and want to use it? Maybe it's time to level intelligence, oh wow look at this huge sword you found maybe you want to use that? Time to level strength. Just roll with it baby. Worry about that stuff later, unless again you have a tism' that requires you to do everything "by the book".
Yes, just like every other Souls games, these games are engineered to be played WITH a guide. That's how they got popular. People being forced to look online and ask creates activity and free advertisement. And it's not any different from retro games, many of which required a guide to be played properly.
>>733749005Is the Zweihander as OP as it was in DS1? Or did the big nerf happen before Elden Ring?
>>733749181No. All heavy weapons and heavy armors are dog shit in comparison to DeS/DS1/DS2. DS3 started the roll slop meme.>but whattabout BloodborneDifferent IP. Permissible.
There's weirdly no mention of DS2 in this thread... Don't tell me you've decided to skip the best one. Guides? What for? There are no progress-dependent quest failures in Dark Souls 2. You don't know where to go? You don't need to, go anywhere you want. It solved the Dark Souls problem.
>>733748948Yeah but it flows so well it doesn’t matter and all the areas are K I N O
>>733749472>Yeah but it flow- wait where the fuck am I supposed to g- oohh I need to fast travel from the hub to this area I have access to for some reason
>>733748848i've always completely ignored the "don't look anything up" people. if i have no idea where to go next i'd just drop the game and never play it again so i just google it every time--def not specifics about anything but just vaguely where the next boss is. as far as builds, i use what feels good; minmaxing guides and stuff actually do ruin the fun imo
>>733749472They're all swamps
>>733749532happens once with the DLC, why even discuss videogames with videogame hating disingenuous retards like you
>>733749686it's literally how you get to the first area of the game you stupid fuck
>>733749686Why? For the... for the wicked fun of it
>>733749671DS3 has way too many swamps fuck that game
>>733748848Man you alpha zoomers are retarded as fuck. You are not supposed to use guides for ANY game, there's no such thing as a game requiring a guide on your first playthrough.
>>733749578Just ask ChatGPT to give you vague hints, that way it can help you continue but it doesn't give everything away
>>733749708That's the fast travel tutorial. Did you know that Dark Souls 1 has a tutorial area where you're introduced to things like healing potions?
>>733749328>all heavy weapons are dog shitARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT?
>>733750596Dude, why the fuck would you assume you can fast travel to an area you've never even been to? That's not even fast travel, that's just travel.
>>733750001clearly haven't played funger games
ER > DS3 > BB > DS1 > DeS >>>>>> DS2
>>733751226holy fuck, literally my ranking but in reverse
>>733751226Easiest to hardest lol
>>733749130DS3 world design may be bad, but its level design is the best of the series.
>>733749130DaS had a cool level design but retards really like the drum it up to shit on III. Yet those same fags pretend Bloodborne wasn't a single split hallway away from being the same thing.Don't let it discourage you, the DaS III levels are fine.
>>733748848just play the game
>>733751543They're fine because they just plagiarize the first game lol, imagine playing 1 and 3 back to back and not like, you know, after waiting 5 years, you're going to scratch some heads
>>733748848All Souls games are beatable without a guide. What isn't for any souls game are npc quests.DaS was sort of bad when it came to fucking up shit like Way of White parties quest, Siegmeyer or gaining access to certain covenants like Dark Wraiths or Blade of the Darkmoon, but each game got worse and worse.Dark Souls III is EXCEPTIONALLY bad. For example, you have one chance to join the mound makers, if you fuck it up you have a second chance to join them only if you do a very specific quest line that will auto-fail if you ever join Rosaria's Fingers.Trying to figure out how to get Usurper of Flame without a guide is a bitch and a half.Some say Dark Souls III is even more unforgiving with its convoluted npc quests than Elden Ring.
i fucking love dark souls 2 bros i can't stop thinking about it
>>733751856literally me, i want from to do king's field tetralogy remake with tanimura under the helm
>>733749671>ankle high water = swamps>One of those is a toxic mist on the ground and not even fluid.
>>733751856It's probably my favorite to replay of the original 3. But I like and hate them all for different reasons.
>>733752002Who cares, it's the same "sprint like a fucktard to the nearest bonfire while receiving continous damage and being chased and fuck you, get fucked" type of level you've already seen in the game 5 fookin times
>>733748848only thing you mght need a wiki for is the extremely ludicriously obtuse quests that are filled to the brim with "talk to X npc before killing Y boss but AFTER talking to z NPC but WITHOUT opening the door next to them and then rest a bonfire 2 times and exhaust dialogue and then kill the boss and then" etc. etc. really fucking stupid and annoying quests in this one, but other than that, the game is a simple straight line.
>>733752108Ok, then you have to remove 4 of those locations because the water is non-toxic.
>>733751856you guys truly are the vegans of dark souls. the dark souls 2 haters have long moved on, but you guys just reflexively bring up and defend DS2 in literally every single situation. always see your kind in every instagram video of dark souls talking about your shitty entry like its the best game ever, or "peak souls" as you mimetically refer to it. recently saw a clip of someone having a funny fail in the game where it wasnt even meant as a critical highlight, yet your kind swarmed the comments with arguments against something nobody said or claimed.
>>733752159General rule of thumb for all souls games even Elden Ring is explore absolutely everything before fighting the boss of the Zone that is directly tied to your summoning/invasion status.That's where From sets the fail or progression flags almost every time.
>>733752381>the dark souls 2 haters have long moved onNo, they haven't. There are new video essays about the hitboxes and deadzones and blablabla practically every single day and they all have at least >500 views and they're all recommended to me on my feed.
>>733751490DS2 is by far the easiest. You get a rapier and annihilate the entire game because enemy AI cannot handle player strafing right. DS1 and DeS are also pathetically easy. Only DS3, ER, BB (and Sekiro) require a brain and good reflexes to beat. I'm assuming no ashes in ER. Souls was a painfully easy genre especially for us OGs who played all Armored Cores. It wasn't until BB when From decided to stop being gay and go back to difficulty levels of their old games.
>>733752381inversely there's always someone like you. A person who gets literally triggered like a woman at the mere sight of the letters "D" "S" and the number 2 anywhere near each other. If anything the monster you hate is just like you. You deserve each other.
How are you meant to do any damage in the last dlc in DS3. I do chip damage to everything
>>733749130If you really like the metroidvenia style world of DS1 then Lords of the Fallen 2023 is a really good one to play. Its a bit lacking in enemy variety, but the world makes up for it. Also the armor sets are sick.
>>733752313So they didn't even try to make the levels engaging, they just forced you to slowly wade through fluids for the sake of it. WORST GAME EVER?>>733752517Dude, who the hell played Demon's because they liked the Armored Core series
>>733749472You cant be fucking serious, 4/5th of places are either DS1 memberberries or absolute trash devoid of anythingThe entire game is basically screaming REMEMBER DARK SOULS 1 GUYS? I MADE DARK SOULS 1 THE GAME YOU LIKE, HEHE THERE ARE RANDOM 2 ICONIC DARKWRAITHS GUYS YOU LOVE THEM RIGHT? REMEMBER DARKWRAITHS AND THE SKULL HELMETWorst fucking game in the history of games.
>>733751749>t. never played dark souls 1 or 3
>>733752381huhh? i'm not defending it i'm just saying i love dark souls 2. why would it need defending lol its literally the best one
>>733748848Nigga it's a fucking hallway. The fuck you need a guide for? It's the most linear souls game.
>>733752750They don't care. Saying anything remotely positive about DS2 sets that anon off.
>>733749130If you like DS1 world design play Xanadu Next.
>>733752678dude, the painted world dude, anor londo dude, the gayass twink dude, the firelink shrine dude, you'd be wondering what the fuck the second game was about but r/darksouls told you to skip it, not knowing it's the true sequel to the adventures of John Undead and the only good game in the franchise without cashing in on the nostalgia
>>733749328Reminder that at launch it was even worse, poise straight up did nothing. You didn't even have the shitty hyper armor they retroactively patched in.
>>733752678Lothric walls = undead burg+parishSwamps = BlighttownCathedra = the only good thing in the entire game with actual interconnected layout towards one bonfireCatacombs = give me a fucking breakThat castle with streets i forgot the name but its just 1 giant hallway = anor londoAnor londo = XDLothric Castle = Anor Londo but with more Anor LondoArchives = please just fucking stop with DS1 references alreadyI swear cathedra, dragon area and the starting area+its reskin are the only good zones in the vanilla.DLCs on the other hand are amazing except the Angel part
>>733752651Nigger you're crying over a few short segments of the game like being in the Cathedral of the Deep which has some parts flooded with ankle high, non-obstructing water.The only true poison swamp levels are Farron Keep and the Abbysal Swamp. Everything else is some short segment, like the poison muck in one small room of the Profaned Capital, or Earthen Peaks small swamp.
>>733753157Yes, yes that's what I fucking do, I cry over dogshit segments of a dogshit videogame in a dogshit thread. You're point?
>>733749130Dont lynch me, but In retrospect Dark Souls 3 had alot more good bosses and good music than all of ds1, demons souls and even ds2 combined, ds3 is probobly the best of the original 3 dark souls the best of the original r games especially when it comes to atmosphere and vibes, If you compare it to dark souls 1, it just looks and plays so much better.
>>733748848No You're thinking of dark souls 1
>>733753291Farron keep was cool
>>733753291None of them are dogshit, it's just a common meme that people have always been stressed the fuck out by poison swamps.Arguably lower blight town is the worst due to mosquitos.
>>733753358Music is the exact same dumdumdum in every Soulslike, as for the boss fights - DS3 is just a retarded action title for people too slow to enjoy real combat mechanics like the ones found in Nioh. Not saying that that's a bad thing btw, slow people deserve some enjoyment too, but it's hardly the strength of these games..
>>733753693If you cant notice the quality difderence between the soundtracks of 1 and 3 you're either retardd or deaf, but unironically saying that souls games arent about bossfights and atmosphere just sounds like a huge cope to me ngl.
>>733753358I actually think it has the worst bosses in the series. Too many humanoids with a 2nd phase, shit loses it's luster when it's the same fight over and over.
>Someone saved my obscure humanity pepe from years agoAlways a delight.
>>733753358Its def alot more fun to replay 3
>>733753975Is DS3 your first videogame ever that you had to take a photo of every single building of the first area or is your PC infected with malware that takes screenshots whenever it detects colour palettes of banking and porn websites and merges them into collages that are automatically attached to your posts
>>733753975I liked 3's music https://youtu.be/lW87_hPNhEQ?si=S4Z-SjcMC5c39nr8
>>733754235The music pisses me the fuck off. I've started muting it after Bloodborne, holy fucking shit it's so annoying, the only piece I remember is Gwyn's and Majula themes
>>733754196Careful, I can see your clitty leaking
>>733754306>anon HATES good quality classical music
>>733754235III's actual banger I never hear people talk about is Dragonslayer Armour.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHwWoo3sEDE
Post your weaponfuUsed this baby in all 3 souls games, love me a holy spear
>>733752381>the vegans of dark soulsKek, what an apt description
>>733748848Nah, especially since the game doesn't kick you into NG+ automatically like DS2 so you can look up what you might've missed and be curious about like certain hidden areas.You shouldn't use a guide for DS1, either.
>>733752381100% i see this on alot of youtube comments its pathetic but its also kinda endearing
>>733754712i can't imagine almost anyone finding how to get to the dlc in ds1 without a guide
>>733754712kick you into NG+ like WHICH GAME?TWICE THE RINGSTWICE THE CONTENTAND NO NG+ AFTER THE CREDITS>>733754842>meanwhile, DS2 DLC entrances are all found organically by simply playing the gameKNEEEEEEEL
>>733754842I had to look that shit that up
>>733753358>even ds2Not like that's hard, outside of the DLCs Dark Souls II has the worst fucking bosses that were piss easy and forgettable.
Ds1 needs a guide otherwise you miss shit like ash lake and most npc questlines , the quest locations (especially solaires) are why you need a guide for 1
Whats worse, ash lake or archdeagon peak?
>>733754896>kick you into NG+ like WHICH GAME?Demon's Souls, Dark Souls 1, Bloodborne all force you into NG+
>>733755097I remember them all though? Last Giant, Pursuer, Dragonrider, Ornstein, Reptile Swordsmen, The Last Sinner, Freya, the list goes on... Your early onset dementia is not bad game design.
>>733754896To clarify I was saying that 3 is like 2 in that it doesn't force you into NG+, it was weird that BB backtracked on that
>>733748848>not playing single player games completely blind the first timeThere is literally no excuse.
>>733755260yeah my reading comprehension is on par with that of a toddler and i love DS2
>>733755189>dragonriderExactly what I'm talking about, a glorified mook with a lame moveset, plus the game has the gall to pretend 2dragonrider is a real boss later.Freja was cool, though, shoutout to Demon of Song too (even though again, piss easy)
>>733755189Anon the Deacons of the deep are harder and more interesting than dragonrider
>>733755461And then the optional DLC bosses are just two reskins and three random fuckheads... People paid 30 bucks at launch to fight fucking Smelter Demon but blue lol>>733755523They really aren't. Hell, hardly anything about base DS3 is interesting or hard
>>733755663I gotta admit From both reusing and integrating blue smelter in Nightreign is fucking hilarious though, like a punchline over a decade in the making
Mirror Knight was peak LUDOThe boss, the arena, the summoningL U D O
>>733755160Ash Lake, it's a cool revelation with amazing visuals, but you're just fighting clams and hydras.
>>733755892I do agree, though I never encountered the summoning in my organic runs. Felt like Old Monk was more obvious for players to be a boss.
>>733751226It's actuallyBB = Sekiro > DeS = DS3 > DS1 >>>>> ER >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (power gap) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DS2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DS2 SotFS
>>733756165I disagree but this is so based i wont argue with it
>>733756165BB glazers are mentally ill, what else is new?
>>733756165Why do people keep rating DES so damn high. Its good, but what the hell makes it so much better than the rest in others eyes? It feels like a tech demo for DaS1.
>>733756560Honestly I feel it doesn't even belong in the same tier list, it feels more like a dungeon crawler/puzzle game at times than the action RPG style of Dark Souls 1.
>>733756560Stfu up lobos you fucking retard. DeS does some things better than DS1, one of which is that it's a complete game. What do you think makes it a tech demo compared to DS1?
>>733756560bb is a tech demo for ds3, ds3 is a tech demo for elden ring, elden ring is a tech demo for nightreign
>>733756560I don't know how people get the impression of demon's souls being a tech demo for dark souls when the latter is far less polished, I'm not trying to say it's bad there's a lot of half baked ideas and carry overs without much thought on how it's implemented.
>>733755892>>733756043Dark Souls 3 had a player summon boss too with Spear of the Church.Here is a video of some guy from /dsg/ fucking with someone for half an hour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-qOHV82GKo
>>733756560Legacy mostly. I also think that people really do miss the Nexus style of level design and not the awkward forced one they keep doing BB onward, I mean a legitimate system where you have segmented levels and dying ports you back to the start of them, so you have to find all the short cuts.
>>733756830>complete gamethere's literally an entire archstone cut
>>733756862No the actual point he has with DeS being a tech demo is shit like 90% of faith builds being weird utility shit that depends on a single spell and some rare weapons for damage where as DaS defined it as being utility but with access to the strongest and rarest damage type as compensation.Magic, despite being broken felt strangely primitive, with all the damage and elements in int for some reason.
>>733757135>des is a tech demo because the magic is poorly balancedokay... i guess this is why they call crysis 1 a tech demo too then
>>733755892It was really cool as an idea but was implemented poorly. Which is a shame because it's not like it was the first time they did that gimmick.
>>733748848Kill the bosses in this order, it's the most fun:Iudex GundyrVordt of the Boreal ValleyAbyss WatchersHigh Lord WolnirOld Demon KingYhorm the GiantDancer of the Boreal ValleyOceiros, the Consumed King Champion Gundyr (you will have to look up a guide to find him)Crystal Sage & Deacons of the Deep (these bosses are garbage, they're meant to be fought early on but I recommend one-shotting them later to save yourself a lot of frustration)Pontiff SulyvahnAlrich, the Devourer of GodsDragonslayer ArmourLorian & LothricAncient Wyvern & Nameless King (you will need a guide to find them)Soul of Cinder
>Iudex GundyrFirst try.>Vordt of the Boreal ValleyFirst try.>Abyss WatchersFirst try.>High Lord Wolnir...second try.>Old Demon KingFirst try.>Yhorm the GiantFirst try.>Dancer of the Boreal ValleyFirst try.>Oceiros, the Consumed KingFirst try.>Champion Gundyr (you will have to look up a guide to find him)First try.>Crystal Sage & Deacons of the Deep (these bosses are garbage, they're meant to be fought early on but I recommend one-shotting them later to save yourself a lot of frustration)First try.>Pontiff SulyvahnOne hour.>Alrich, the Devourer of GodsSecond try.>Dragonslayer ArmourFirst try.>Lorian & LothricTwo hours.>Ancient Wyvern & Nameless King (you will need a guide to find them)Two hours.>Soul of CinderThird try.
>>733751226So close, but it's actually:DS3 > BB > ER > DS1 > DeS >>>>>> DS2
>>733757565Good for you faggot, would you like a cookie?
>>733757565>Soul of CinderMan i thought this boss was hard as fuck, took me a while to get him. His difficulty seems to be 50/50 among players. I'm not great at the games but not terrible either, he was definitely my biggest hurdle on my first playthrough. Pontiff and Lorian/Lothric felt like childs play in comparison.
>>733751543Calling is DaS instead of DS is faggy as hell but your point is based so I forgive you
>>733758534This is the most >I came here in 2023, am I an oldfag yet?Post I have ever had the displeasure of being (you)'d at by./v/ has called Dark Souls DaS since the game launched because Demon's Souls was it's predecessor and something discussed frequently in the threads. DS could mean either.DS was already used for Darksiders on /v/ anyway.Reddit also came to the same conclusion and called it DkS, which is why for the last roughly decade and a half it's been obvious how many posters are redditors and election tourists by how frequently DkS pops up.Otherwise, thank you for agreeing with me.
>>733759125I never claimed to be an oldfag. Why would I want to be one of you? And i dont give a shit what came first, "DS" just looks better and it's a better game than Demon Souls therefore it gets to claim the title of DS rather than DaS. Shit i'd even prefer DkS than that gay shite
>>733757443Whatb about the dlc bosses
>>733755189>Last GiantBorderline joke boss>DragonriderFalls off his arena and is a complete joke regardless>Ornstein>even mentioning this>FreyaPiss easy boss that has to rely on smaller spider spam to pose a threat>Persuer>Flexile Sentry (bro forgot this one's name lol)>Last SinnerThese guys are okay I'll give you that
>>733757565>two hours on fucking twin princesUnloading a gatling gun right into your foot there I see
Dont you guys know that Dark Souls 3 is really the easiest game in the series?Darksydephil beat the Abyss Watchers on his second attempt so that's proof it's easy!Please ignore that he used an exploit to play the game before it even released and the version of the game he was playing has the player hit twice as hard and the bosses have less health. I need to shill my narrative to defend the honor of a shitty video game I dedicate my entire life to despite never playing it!
>>733762229Abyss Watchers are really easy with the +4 weapon you can get right before them, anyway. The first boss that even poses a challenge in DS3 is Pontiff and he's not even that hard, like a 5/10 on the soulsian difficulty scale.
>>733762079Okay, spin doctor.
>>733750635My beloved...
>>733748848Go through blind.
>>733761827Nott gonna lie i haven't played it yet so idk. But the idea of dlc is jewy as fuck to me. Im always hesistant to buy it. Like if its so good, why not just put it in the base game in the first place and make the game actually WORTH its $100+ price tag
>>733757565>two hours on Lorian & LothricNo disrespect, but how? Were you low soul level and weapon level? I'm abysmal at these games and even then they only took me about 12 tries, though I was arguably overlevelled at about sl75.
>>733762229DS2 is definitely the easiest. Hardest parts are some optional DLC bosses that’s it
Dark Souls 2 GOODDark Souls 3 BAD
>>733763519>though I was arguably overlevelled at about sl75.I was 90 and I had to stop myself earlier on because grand archives give you like 150,000 souls if you don't run past everything. NTA, btw. I beat them first try, just saying 75 would be underleveled if anything if you were always retrieving your souls. I think the average should be, like>DS1 85>DS2 140-160 depending on dlc>DS3 95>ER 150-180 depending on dlc and how much you did
2shitters don't even play their shit game stop arguing with them
>>733763606Well now i feel better about myself thank you anon.
>>733763783Np. Though I'm guessing you already had a +10 weapon anyway, the extra levels wouldn't have made much of a difference. 12 tries isn't bad for a boss that a lot of people complained about in old /v/ and elsewhere online.
>>733751226unFATHOMABLY based
Ds2 has ONE fun area and it's No Man's Wharf , and the rest is mid-to-bad.
>>733763324Because they wanted to keep making content after the publishers release date, the dlcs of ds3 and elden ring are the best there are so i envy you the chance to play them blind
>>733752517Greathammers are ezmode too
>>733752675How dare a SEQUEL use and expand stuff that was present in the previous games, I am now PISSED and ANGRY.
>>733764567You're fucking crazy man, no man's dwarf was the only location in ds2 that was lame.
ringed city is pretty ass. Cool bosses tho.
