What goes on in the land down under?
>>733749427Where women glow and men plunder?
>>733749427In project Tamriel lore? It's a problematic powder keg whose inhabitants are all becoming increasingly radicalized as they itch to revolt against Imperial and Dunmer rule. It was like that in canon too but it's not that elaborated upon.
>>733750483Why don't the Argonians simply build a better society?
>>733751401Swampland bad for building
>>733751401>expecting the trees pretending to be lizards to make a functional nation-stateHow many countries do you know that are run by sweetgums?
>>733749427they just smile and give you a vegemite sandwich
>>733751695RETCONNED sorry sweaty, the hist is in hibernation now. The argonians are free, independent lizards who don’t need no hist!
>>733751401their society is perfect for them. what the fuck does the empire and dunmer want in a shitty swamp anyway?
>>733751695>>733751863In TR lore, aren't the Hist basically eldritch monsters from a previous calpa that only appear as trees to us because their true form cannot be comprehended, and are only barely self-aware during dragonbreaks?
>>733751951Money. The Empire got fucked financially by the failed invasion of Akavir and the Simulacrum. The colonization of the East (Vardenfell, Black Marsh, Cathnoquey, and Yneslea) are meant to exploit as many resources as possible to try and keep things propped up. Vardenfell has ebony. Cathnoquey has wasabi. Black Marsh is pretty much just a money sink, I think lumber is the only reliable resource they can get out of it, but they've sunk too much money to back out of it.
>>733751863>RETCONNEDAs of ESO, the "Argonian" "afterlife" lore is still that their souls go back to the Hist when they die.
>>733751863You can't retcon something that was never true in the first place. "Argonians are Hist trees puppeteering lizards bodies!" was always just an astoundingly retarded /v/ misunderstanding born from a long game of telephone in which secondaries talked about shit they didn't understand, an even more retarded version of the "Argonians are nonsentient robot tree slaves that just state at the sky all day" one, which was never true either.
>>733752476>an even more retarded version of the "Argonians are nonsentient robot tree slaves that just state at the sky all day" one, which was never true either.This is what the Dres slavemasters told me though...
>>733751863I'm pretty sure this isn't true, given a Hist makes a deal with a "daedric" ""Lord"" in the books and that's the only real time they are referenced after Oblivion
>>733752116>the failed invasion of AkavirHow long before Morrowind was this? Is there anything in-game referring to it?
>>733749427It has begun.
>>733754186It happened between 288 and 290 of the Third Era, nearly 140 years before Morrowind
>>733751951Lizard pussy
>>733754186As for books, it's mainly compiled in "Brief History of the Empire" volumes 3 and 4, and "Report: Disaster at Ionith"
>>733752116>failed invasion of Akavir>the entire reason the legion is as good as it is is because the Tsaesci reformed it under Reman>try to invade their homelandWhat were the Septims thinking?
>>733749427that's a lovely map. i typically only play argonian, and i always wanted to go there and explore and swim around
>>733751401The Hist tell them not to
>>733755719Where is this even? The Narsis border would make the most sense but this clearly isn't there
>>733750483>project Tamriel lore?Not a thing, and the Empire barely has a presence in Black Marsh due to the disease and insects like the flesh flies
>>733757620it's around Stormhold
>>733756462>try to invade their homelandThey did, they even landed and formed a Garrison and had local trade relations with the Tsaesci farmers
Who knows? Fantasy is allergic to telling an interesting story in a tropical climate--too focused on deserts instead.
>>733757647It is a thing, the map in the OP is a Project Tamriel gridmap. And there's literally an entire Oblivion book series about Imperial colonialism in Black Marsh.
>>733749427"Lilmoth. The 'Jewel of the South,' if your idea of a jewel is something that’s been sitting at the bottom of a septic tank for a few eras.I’m standing on a pier in the Waterfront, the only place where the Empire still pretends it’s in charge. Walk ten feet past the East Empire Company warehouses and the smell hits you—a thick, wet blanket of rot, stagnant swamp water, and the sharp, medicinal tang of Lucan mold growing over some count’s ruined villa. It’s glorious. It’s the smell of a city that refuses to be 'civilized'.I’m at a stall in the Argonian Quarter, one of those shacks on stilts that looks like it’s one heavy rain away from becoming a raft. The cook, a Naga with scales the color of old bruises, is handing me a bowl of Lilmoth Garlic Hagfish. It’s grey, it’s rubbery, and it’s swimming in a broth so heavy on the swamp-spice it feels like a physical assault on my sinuses.He watches me. No smile. Just that cold, unblinking reptilian stare. I take a bite. It’s terrifying. It’s spicy in a way that makes you question your life choices, but then there’s this earthy, sweet hit of Lizardfruit that numbs your tongue just enough so you can go back for more.You want the 'Real Argonia'? This is it. Not the sanitized, Imperial-approved version they sell you in Cyrodiil. It’s messy, it’s potentially lethal, and it’s exactly what I came for. Wash it down with a pull of Theilul—black sugarcane rum that’ll peel the paint off a galleon—and suddenly, the humidity doesn’t feel so bad.Lilmoth doesn't want you here. It doesn't care if you like the food. And that’s why it’s the best damn meal in Tamriel."
>>733757595greendancingdevil
>>733757721Though I would like to note here that Tamriel is, as far as I know, quite unique among fantasy worlds in how much of its civilized world inhabits the tropics.
>>733751953Yeah, their Hist are not an active force in the world like they are in canon. They don't and can't mind control Argonians or talk to them or tell them what to do, nor do they have any nefarious goal in mind, and they only ever wake up during Dragon Breaks, and even when that happens they're just kinda confused as to what's going on. That's because unlike most morrowfags out there, they dislike both the noble savage hippie Argonians from the Umbriel novels/ESO AND the slave Argonians entirely subservient to the Hist from Kirkbridian apocrypha and edgy Dunmerfag fanon
>>733757901>or talk to themthey do sometimes, the Hist protected Black Marsh when a piece of Oblivion tried to Tamriel and dropped a "sorta-hist" tree in Skyrim that's in the game
>>733757983Not in Project Tamriel/Tamriel Rebuilt lore, which is what we're talking about rn
>>733757760have you been writing all these anon? i find them enjoyable
>>733757983>the Hist protected Black Marshsacrificing your Imperialized population isn't really protection
>>733758025Yep I just keep going. I'm trying to find a Bourdain voice model and possibly make a video series "an outlanders tour" unless someone beats me to it. But I've been writing Bourdain quotes for days now.
>>733757983I highly doubt the Umbriel Crisis is canon to PTR. In current Eye of Argonia planning, the only time the Hist ever interacted with the Argonians directly was during the Middle Dawn, when they first became aware of the Argonians' existence (the Hist didn't even consciously create them in this setting) and used this one moment of consciousness to protect the lizards from the worst effects of the Dragon Break out of gratitude for their protection and worship (very old TR lore had them broker a pact with House Dres that would be the beginning of Argonian slavery in Morrowind, but that of course got scrapped).
>>733758193good work so far
>>733758518Nothing’s canon in your shit is it? Damn!
>>733749427All I can imagine is a bigger Bitter Coast. A swampy shithole where you need to swim just as much as you need to walk can't possibly be that interesting desu
>>733758924Well, it's not canon because it's a Morrowind mod that takes place in Morrowind times so it would be a bit weird if it had an event from a book that takes place in the 4th era wouldn't it
>>733758518It wouldn't be canon in PTR anyway, seeing as it happens after the events of Oblivion.
>>733751401Too busy lifting their tails
>>733758994No it wouldn’t. Morrowind takes place in Morrowind, not Black Marsh. Black Marsh was barely fleshed out at the time of Morrowind and it’s still barely fleshed out now as there hasn’t been an official Elder Scrolls game there.Since there’s not a lot of stuff why are you throwing out all of this perfectly good lore?
>>733758994Also vanilla Elder Scrolls III talks about the upcoming Oblivion crisis. That lore was already there.
>>733759134I'm not throwing out anything my man, we're just telling you what things are like in the big mod project this thread was most likely made to discuss given the OP image, don't shoot the messengerAnd if i had to guess the mod's devs threw out all the perfectly good lore because, let's be honest, the Umbriel novels were not particularly good and did not introduce anything worthwhile, which is why PTR largely just sticks to what little there was in Morrowind + The Argonian Account books for their Black Marsh lore with the rest being just original shit taken from there
>>733759179Only the DLCs, according to Goodall>The title and a bit of plot for Oblivion existed. Rolston put in some hints about what it would be in Morrowind. But the actual Oblivion plot wasn't that.
>>733759387Actually the An-xileel are from the Umbriel novels and one of the PTR Argonia factions is named after and loosely inspired by them. Not much else beyond that though.
>>733757858I'm still baffled by how ESO's version of these things bore no resemblance whatsoever to the way they were described in the argonian account books, might as well give them a different fucking name by that point why even pretend that they're the same thing
>>733759387>the rest being just original shitThat's one thing I kinda don't like about TR/PT: all the fanfic-y stuff with no basis in TES media because Morrowind era lore was barebones as fuck and it feels like a lot of the devs would rather just make things up whole cloth than borrow later canon lore
>>733759985They borrow stuff from later lore all the timez like i said, half of their Black Marsh stuff comes from The Argonian Account, a series of in-game books from Oblivion. They just tend to pick and choose the shit from the later games they like and change things up so that they fit the setting as it existed in the Morrowind era and/or their personal tastes. The Argonian Account is cool so it gets to be in, the fucking duskfall Aztec shit from ESO & the Greg Keyes novels is fucking stupid, which is why the one thing the devs all seem to agree on unanimously is that they'll never ever give the Argonians Mesoamerican pyramids of any kind
>>733758967>A swampy shithole where you need to swim just as much as you need to walk can't possibly be that interesting desu1. For Argonians who breath underwater this is amazing2. Check out the Dreugh hives for ineresting underwater content
>>733759975>Puff adders with legs and arms, seven feet tallI don't think >>733757858 does a very good job matching that description, either. The head shape and color are completely wrong.
>>733760353>and color are completely wrong.The same book describes them as having black scales.>For a moment, it looked like the gray wagonmaster was talking to himself, but the darkness had movement and moisture, in fact, glistening scales. It was hard to tell how many of these things there were, but they were big, black, and the more Scotti looked at them, the more details he could see
>>733760452Ah. I just ctrl+f'd Naga.Weird to say they look like puff adders but then give them a completely different color pattern when a snake's coloration is pretty damn important for identification. It would be like saying some Khajiit furstock looks like tigers but then describe them having spots when they're seen.Head does still need to be reworked, though, if they're supposed to look like puff adders.
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>>733763164Boa tarde amigo
>>733749427Scopecreep. Finish SHOTN first before this shit.
