>You managed to recreate the entirely of Doom with generative AI in real time? While being fully playable without major glitches? That's pretty impressive, Anon! Keep up the good work.
>>733750234People gloss over the fact he was an still is a shitty VR shill. Sure he is a great programmer but he's also retarded.
>>733750234that was so basedI loved seeing that random fanboy retard get blown the fuck out on an intergalactic scale
>>733750234context?
>>733750297VR has more games than xbox
>>733750297Most great programmers are retarded
>>733750297everyone was a vr shill in the 10s. facebook was throwing billions away on stupid shit like the metaverse, everyone wanted to get in on the ground floor for free money. just like now how everyone is an ai shill because all the tech giant dipshits are throwing trillions away.
>>733750297VR would have gone a lot better if Zuckerberg didn't single handedly fuck the entire thing back to the stone age.
>>733750862https://x.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1909311174845329874
>>733751258Based take from a certified genius.
>>733750297He is an AGI shill now
>>733751182trvke
>>733751182
https://x.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1412271091393994754>It is self-serving at this point, but looking back, I wish I could have released all the Id code under a more permissive license. :-)>GPL never did really do anything for game code, and I do wonder whether it was a fundamental cultural incompatibility.>GPL was probably the best that could have flown politically for the code releases -- posterity without copy-paste into competition.https://x.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/434005543506550784https://x.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/434005981379309568https://x.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/434007387020607488>I do kind of wish I had been able to make it BSD instead of GPL, but I don't think I would have been able to convince my partners.https://x.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/882599663102291969>... Viral GPL never really paid dividends for gaming, I wish it was BSD...https://x.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/909938445304434689>GPL makes the executives feel better that it doesn't give any direct aid to commercial competitorshttps://x.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/315558655498010625
>>733750234You didn't do shit though, ranjesh.
why would he be mad that people are re-creating a 30 year old game that was open source already?
>>733754461Doom's engine is open source. Doom is not open source.
>>7337544611. It's open-source but it's useless for most commercial endeavours because the game industry requires a degree of non-disclosure.2. The assets are not libre nor gratis, and he was absolutely against a change on this matter.Ultimately, Carmack wouldn't be mad because it's not his IP anymore.
>>733751258>>733751684It's a dogshit take. He's mistakenly thinking that the jeets using AI as a "tool" are producing results of similar quality a competent human programmer or artist would make, just faster, but that's not the case. Just like the "wealth of content" is not going to be good quality content but just more of it, it's going to be, and has already proven to be, abysmal dogshit slop flooding every corner of the internet so now you have to spend more effort and resources to find the content that's even worth your while anymore.
>>733753965can I get an english retard friendly tldr
trannies eternally btfo. this man has created more than you ever will. everyone who matters is pro ai. go use the male restroom and cry.
>>733753965You seem obsessed on there mmnn
>>733754819Carmack is saying that the GPL was ultimately useless because it failed to achieve what he wanted by releasing the source code, that is to get people to use it.The GPL requires you to release the source code of your derivative under the same license, which is a dealbreaker for consoles, Steamworks (not to be confused with simple Steam distribution) and iOS.id Software allowed you to bypass the GPL by licensing the engine, but of course, with this came giving technical support.
>>733750297VR had potential, he had to deal with shitty corpo crap
>>733754819>>733755008John Carmack HATED to give tech support.https://youtu.be/IoLaA-CVmTE?t=924>But id co-founder and lead programmer John Carmack told Gamasutra at E3 that he's happy to be out of the engine licensing business, as the studio concentrates on finishing id Tech 5-powered Rage and continues work on the further-off Doom 4. "It's interesting when you look at our technology licensing -- it was never really a business that I wanted to be in," he said. "In the very early days, people would pester us, and we'd just throw out some ridiculous terms, and we were surprised when people started taking us up on it." "I didn't want to be in the process of supporting a lot of outside teams, because you feel beholden to not make radical changes when it's going to pull the rug out from lots of other people," he explained. "When it's your own team, you can make the sensible decision that [a big change] is going to be worth it, that it's going to suck for a while, but we make our way through it. But you don't want to do that to other people."https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/e3-id-s-carmack-willits-happy-to-be-done-with-engine-licensing>The primary intent of this release is for entertainment and educational purposes, but the GPL does allow commercial exploitation if you obey the full license. If you want to do something commercial and you just can't bear to have your source changes released, we could still negotiate a separate license agreement (for $$$), but I would encourage you to just live with the GPL.https://github.com/id-Software/Quake-2/blob/master/readme.txt#L12-L17
>>733754646You're not deep enough in the stack to actually understand what he was saying. As expected of the average luddite.
>>733754941>t. coping GNU/male
>>733750297reminder that when he fired Romero, Hall and American Mcgee, ID games went from being 10/10 masterpieces to just glorified tech demos with no soul at all.
>>733754646t. double digit retard arguing with based genius John Carmack about computers
>>733755109only nerds debate software licenses lmao i just wanna play some games
>>733755352What are you doing on 4channel dot org then?
>>733755350Lefties have been seething about Carmack ever since he refused to join their "exodus" to pedosky
>>733755481>get called a retard>continue to be a retard while scraping at literal random tangentsholy shit are you a fucking mongoloid.
It's almost like different software projects are better off with GPL and some with MIT and there isn't a silver bullet like some schizos like Stallman suggest. When asked if he regrets corporations using his code to make trillions by not making it GPLv3, Linus said something akin to "fuck no".
>>733750297>VR BAD>AI BAD>144 FPS BAD30 years ago you'd be one of those guys screaming>3D BAD>2D IS GOOD ENOUGH
>>733750234Anti-technology is fundamentally low and mid IQ.
>>733755008>>733755060I understand completely.
>You managed to the of Doom in real time? While being fully lubed without major STDs? That's pretty impressive, Anon! Keep up the good work.
>>733755194>ID games
>>733750297VR is cool
>>733755060>that first quoteabsolutely based
>>733750297Nothing wrong with vr and it's not his fault there's no good games. I'm still playing h3vr which is pretty telling
>>733750297AR/VR was the next logical step after game design was solved with existing technology. We ended up doing an AI sidequest instead since the tech isn't ready yet, but AI itself might produce weird cool games that we've never seen before
>>733755008Doesn't the GPL apply ONLY to the engine and not the proprietary code you add ontop? You could just easily modify the engine and release it but leave out the parts that are proprietary.
>>733756636>Doesn't the GPL apply ONLY to the engine and not the proprietary code you add ontop?No.>Complete corresponding source means the source that the binaries were made from, but that does not imply your tools must be able to make a binary that is an exact hash of the binary you are distributing. In some cases it could be (nearly) impossible to build a binary from source with an exact hash of the binary being distributed — consider the following examples: a system might put timestamps in binaries; or the program might have been built against a different (even unreleased) compiler version.https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#MustSourceBuildToMatchExactHashOfBinaryIt's called a viral license for a reason, anon.You're thinking of the LGPL/MPL, and even then you must release the modifications you make to the library.
>>733755194It was bad already when they fired Hall and McGee. Both wanted more story and more immersion in their games, and Johns wanted pure gameplay. Turned out you can't make good GPS gameplay without good mappers.
>>733750234Can't farback the Carmack!
>>733755741>3D BAD>2D IS GOOD ENOUGHYes unironically. 3D games on consoles still needed another generation to cook. PS2 is when flaws got ironed out. Conversely 2D games reached their apex.
>>733756894man I miss when he was like this
>>733755194isn't mcgee behind some of the worst fucking levels in doom 2
>>733756912NTA. To be fair, without the fuck-ups from the previous generation, 3D games wouldn't have been as good as they were during the PS2 era.
>>733750297VR will never replace the immediacy of a button press. Also we need to find ways to consolidate the head tracking device.
>>733756854Then what the fuck are open-source engines using GPL and its derivates good for if you can't release it on consoles? Realistically speaking, even an indie developer would want to release their game on a console. What license would you have to use then if you want to use something open source and release it on consoles?
>>733756885FPS*
>>733756976>To be fair, without the fuck-ups from the previous generationYou had arcade games providing 3D games with far greater graphical fidelity as well as PC games that looked better too. Consoles really got the jump on 3D too early, even though that's where the tech was moving. About the one thing you can say that was valuable to learn in the PS1 era was how to make a gamepad that let you maneuver in 3D.
>John Carmack looked into several fields to put his time and energy into after Oculus (from memory)>"Nuclear Fusion was an option, but there are plenty of good minds with plenty of funding already. Its not my field at all, and I would just be a fifth-wheel for them. They got it without me.">"Elon is always asking me to join SpaceX (John was in the control room for IFT-1 right next to him), I keep politely refusing. I'm the one guy whos turned down job offerings, given directly from Elon".
>>733757084>Then what the fuck are open-source engines using GPL and its derivates good for if you can't release it on consoles?Anon, the reason to pick the GPL for a game engine is precisely cripple commercial use. That's what Carmack is saying.You often get the option to buy a commercial license (which is what id Software used to do, not anymore.)This is why Kingpin: Reloaded (remake of Kingpin: Life of Crime) used Unity instead of id Tech.https://discord.com/channels/370945338087047180/641974439193477131/738806029705543710https://discord.com/channels/370945338087047180/641974439193477131/738865357447626874https://discord.com/channels/370945338087047180/641974439193477131/738868197079515208https://discord.com/channels/370945338087047180/641974439193477131/738868636097314828https://discord.com/channels/370945338087047180/641974439193477131/738868886350331974https://discord.com/channels/370945338087047180/641974439193477131/738868984241193013https://discord.com/channels/370945338087047180/641974439193477131/738869789610606672>What license would you have to use then if you want to use something open source and release it on consoles?You have to use a non-copyleft engine. Non-copyleft open-source licenses include MIT, the family of BSD licenses, and zlib.You gotta check if they aren't built on top of a copyleft library, which is only a concern with a very specific engine (Ren'Py.)
>AI good because it can...copy a gamei can already right click copy without needing trillions of dollars in electricity and infrastructure and hours spending training it
>>733757307That's honestly based of him.
>>733757084You can still sell GPL games and even put them on consoles. No one gives a shit about GPL or open source, hell most devs use GPL and don't bother respecting the license.There's no GPL police, GPL is not a law and it's impossible to prove you used GPL code unless you're retarded and keep the binaries as is in the game.
>>733757307>>733757487He turned down Ilya at OpenAI too, he asked him for some reading materials to see what was up and decided to do a 180 on all the LLM hype and he teamed up with another legend that is a total contrarian to the AI crowd. Then they made a company together.Seriously though imagine turning down Elon Musk and OpenAI, his salary would've been fucking gigantic lmao.
>>733750297VR is still awesome, games like Half Life Alyx show it.Just not easy enough for normies yet and Sony/Meta hoarding exclusives for a niche platform helped kill it. Also PSVR on non PS4 Pro was dogshit and gave normies a bad impression.
>>733757516Atari used ScummVM to release the Humongous Entertainment games on Wii, the devs sued them, and they were forced to destroy all copies of the games.>The rough details of the final settlement were: Fingolfin and cyx can post an agreed "press release." They are not allowed to talk more about it. There is a period of time in which all current copies have to be sold. Any copies beyond this period or any reprints get fined with quite high fine for each new/remaining copy. The remaining stock has to be destoryed. There will be no single usage of ScummVM for any of upcoming games without our knowledge. Atari makes a significant donation to Free Software Foundation. Atari covers all expenses on gpl-violations.org lawyers.https://sev-notes.blogspot.com/2009/06/gpl-scummvm-and-violations.html
>>733757681He's been driving feraris since the 90s and his work at meta his given him a nice chunk of fuck you money. He's set for a nice retirement.
AI = Actual Indian
>>733757380>trainingthat's just an upfront cost, since so many things are getting developed right now.Think of it like downloading a game. You have to use a lot of bandwidth to get that game on your system, but once it's there, you need much less. Even for an online multiplayer game, playing it will use much less network availability than when you were initially downloading it. A trained AI system stays trained, it's not an ongoing cost.
>>733756975the worst levels are by a fucking mile all the Sandy MapsMcGee made Dead Simple which is easily a 10/10 map, and fucking Hell Beneath
>>733757807AI is White technology. Indians could never make this stuff. Get a hold of yourself retard.
>>733750234You were able to replicate the work of a handful of nerds working with less computing power than a modern fridge using only billions of dollars of infrastructure? Pretty cool. Worth ruining the economy for.
>>733757897>NOOOOOOO WHAT ABOUT THE ECONOMY>WHAT ABOUT MY STOOOOOOCKS>THE LINE MUST GO UP FOREVEEEEERpost nose
>>733757380>computer good because... it can do basic math?>t. some retard in 1940You're dumb.
>>733757945I think he's talking about how people living near AI training centers saw their energy bills increase for no reason whatsoever, and the increasing scarcity of computer parts, which are affecting all hardware.
>>733757749It's still chadly though.
>>733758020I hope so, because that would be more reasonable.>energy bills go upShouldn't happen, far as I know. If my neighbor is growing weed and using an insane amount of energy, it doesn't affect my bill. They're the ones who pay more, not me.>computer part prices going upUnfortunately true, but it'll steady out in a few years as production catches up to demand. Sucks in the meantime though.
>>733758108>Shouldn't happen, far as I know.https://people.com/ai-data-centers-are-hiking-electricity-costs-in-some-states-as-expert-warns-theres-so-much-more-to-come-11849734
>>733758154Skimmed the article. Says some places are already charging extra to the AI facilities, and more standardized systems to deal with it are being rolled out. I live in a place where a lot of datacenters have been built recently, and a lot more under construction, and my energy bill hasn't changed at all. Sounds more like incompetent or greedy energy companies looking for an excuse to grab more money.
>>733754646It doesn't matter. Things will get worse, our standards will get lower. One day it will be impressive to have games without AI involvement. I can't even type a sentence without its intrusion.
>>733757487Carmack is a living legend and a god among mortals. Most famous guys didn't really earn it and are a bunch of retards. Carmack is the real deal
>>733758282>our standards will get lowerHow many pictures do you look at a day that were painted by a human hand? How about your furniture, was it hand crafted by a human craftsman? Does that mean your standards are worse, if your current things are comfortable and do what you need them to do?Don't get me wrong, I've got plenty of problems with modern society, but I don't think what you're suggesting is one of them.
>>733758282trvke
>>733758348Maybe soulless would be a better term but that's what I mean. It will be much more difficult to cut through the noise.
>>733751258I'm impressed that the luddite had the gall to respond to Carmack when his entire account is dedicated to dicksucking Doom clones, but it's also extremely embarrassing. No wonder he fucked off to bluesky
>>733758663it was surreal reading it in real time lmao
*googles how to delete AI with magnets*
>>733750297VR is fun if you have the hardware and space for it.
>>733750297You can easily determine how brown someone's skin is by how much they still seethe over VR
