WHERE THE FUCK IS DELTARUNE CHAPTER 5
>>733756552I want to make her suffer more so bad
You just have to wait :^)
Why did Toby forget about 1.05? It's been on beta branch forever.
>>733756552We're only 2 months into 2026, calm your mantits.
>>733756801It's been 10 years and the game is not even at the halfway point. Stop slurping the shit out of Toby's anus directly you bootlicking faggot.
Soon.
>>733756552WHERE THE FUCK IS .............. Mike................
>>733757281There won't be a dark world in flower king, it'll be at the festival and it'll be the start of the roaring
>>733756552QRD on this pic?
>>733756552Who's that kid between Reimu and Chara?
>>733759716dude from tobys earthbound hack
>>733759035You know that joke about how all indie games are quirky earthbound style RPGs about depression?
>>733759035alex yiik defends the throne for best quirky indie game from the usurpers
I feel so old bros... I played Undertale back in 2015 as a fun indie game and now a whole subculture of gen A people has grown up with and developed around it and deltarune. It feels so weird, like you're a ghost watching something you used to belong to. Idk
Kris cut his hand off and replaced it with the vessel's hand in order to become the prophecy's cage with the human soul.While Kris enjoys his quirky Earthbound inspired rpg about depression, Dess is in the bunker using Kris's hand to finger herself, which he feels.
michael jackson
>>733761580>heehee's softly in the distance
why did he do it
>>733761779he wanted to hear people sing beethoven
>>733761779He was a faggot
>>733756552Finally a real earthbound like thread. Undertale is a touhoulike
>>733761779He had to
i'm going to bed nowanal sex with ralsei's fluffy buns
Kris is my wife.
>>733756873>the game is not even at the halfway pointwe're literally on chapter 4 out of (probably) 7the game even tells you when you beat chapter 4 that "THE HALFWAY MARK HAS BEEN ATTAINED."
>>733759035the twilight reverie is being shattered
WHERES THE GAME GASTERYOU SAID THERE WOULD BE GAME
>>733768106t. cookie
Kris is my cookie.
>>733756552>megaman sprite gamedamn, deep cut
>>733763965>be a faggot>calls you a faggot
Almost 100% will be in the next main Nintendo Direct, same as last time, which might be in April like last yearMy question is if its gonna be a summer release date or pushed to fall?
>>733756552NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR DEAD GAME WE'VE ALMOST YIIKED BACK THERE
>>733756552something that's always bugged me about images like this is that they almost never include anyone from corpse party, which was arguably the first quirky earthbound inspired rpg about depression
>>733768857likely summer, i'd wager late june/ early july
>>733768857No idea, development times are ridiculous for this game, if I remember correctly, after the translation there's still console porting and testing to be done, god knows how long that will take. Since they had the first draft this month, I assume the translation itself will be done sometime in april. After that, who knows, maybe for some reason it'll take 5 months for porting and testing and we'll get this shit in october, or maybe it will be quick and we'll get it in july, who knows.
>>733761779For the greater good
>>733769284you'd think they would do console porting before the translation
>>733768991That's because the "Quirk" for that one was kinda Torture porn "horror" and it hangs more with the other quirky PC-[xx] RPGmaker games like Peret em Heru and GU-L and such, just lucked out with the PSP remake making it known to younger people. Not actually the same style at all until arguably later in the series where it goes WACKY.
>>733769513but it's the only one that can boast having someone who actually worked on earthbound in it lead dev/ writer is in the eb credits (as a bug tester but still)
Somebody really needs to stop those quirky RPG older sisters from going missing
>>733769580but then we couldn't sexualize them as missing protector/mistress figure
Alright boys, when do you think ch5 is dropping? Currently, the first pass of the jap translation has been completed. After that, PC/console testing begins. Historically they only start playtesting all the versions once the translation is more or less there. Now ch4's first pass was completed dec2024, with the chapters being announced at the beginning of april2025. I would assume that nintendirt only gave a spot for the Switch 2 launch trailer to devs whose games were 100% ready to release with it to avoid any fuckups.Basically ch3&4 were probably ready to be released by the end of april, which means it took roughly two months to fully playtest a chapter. So unless Toby trips on one of his dildos and breaks his other wrist, ch5 should release late april/early may. Assuming of course that the team stopped dragging their dicks and optimized the whole process a bit.
>>733770910>ch5 should release late april/early mayThis would go against what he said about not thinking the chapter would be released in the first half of 2026, as he has stated here>https://toby.fangamer.com/newsletters/autumn25/Personally I believe a july release, maybe even late june is the most probable one.
>>7337709102028 The dipshit has huffed his farts and entered the "kojima" status where his works are riding off an inflated reputation. As such his ego is stroked by watching people desire said work.There's a reason ch2 hasn't been surpassed
>>733756552Second half of this year.>>733756609Holy based and me-pilled.
>>733757281Yep, Knight is a lightner and darkner hybrid and is the same between worlds.
>>733759035Schizophrenia
>>733756552>Ao Oni standing with the heroes and not with Porky and Uboa at Alex Yiik's side.>Gaster singing row row fight the powerperfection
>>733768106This but Frisk and Chara being my wifes
>>733770064And we couldn't say that they molested the MC, too.
>>733770910>So unless Toby trips on one of his dildos and breaks his other wrist, ch5 should release late april/early may.Too early. It's only coming out in July at earliest. You have to WAIT.
>>733756651I sure LOVE waiting!
>>733772639This but Frisk is my wife and I'm Chara
>>733761779Gaster WILL say his iconic line BTW
>>733773797I prefer two wives for the price of one but I can respect a male Chara self-inserter since they are super rare.
>>733771035You know, just once I would like to see a gamedev underestimate their abilities and release shit ahead of schedule.
>>733761779He's the Dess of Deltarune
>>733758715festival is a red herring, next chapter will be at night at Asgore's place because Kris left due to being pissed by Toriel/Sansand both Kris and Suzie will be so tired after the chapter they will sleep for the entire festival, only being able to see the end of it
>>733776206Is Dess going to be a closeted homophobic dyke?
>>733776297It's weird how everyone seems to ignore FRIEND'S only canon appearance being Susie's evil cuck chair
>>733776297susie is gonna beat that whore chair
>>733776297That stainWe thinking it's urine or period blood?The splatter on the wall makes me think it's bloodfuck this new captcha with the arrows none of them look different
>>733777835Kris is the one who has period blood in her room. This is from Susie being beaten up.
>>733777729Chapter 3 fortune says it's going to kick OUR ass instead
>shadow drop your indie game RPG>just in your face horror and gross apocalyptic shit>so much pixel art it's unreal>message is humanity endures and depression can be overcome >keep dropping fresh content at lightning paceFrankie puts these dorks to fucking shame
>>733779214Too bad the music SUCKS
>>733779214Undertale and Deltarune are still more popular though
>>733779753I think YOU suck>>733780045So?
>>733780045LISA btfo's both and is the least popular of the 3
>>733779214cboyardee is on that, the other indies didnt stand a chance
>>733780070>>733780283Just that they will always live in Undertale and Deltarune's shadow, just as how you have to shill them in Deltarune threads.
>>733780513but UT/DR lives in mother's shadow (toby would agree), so who cares
Toby should do this>Release chapter 6 in January of 2028>Release chapter 7 in October of 2028 so the hype doesn't decrease and you can be nomitated to the GOTY awards.
>>733780646I will actually say UT/DR is more famous than Earthbound in the west nowadays. Surprisingly so.
>>733779214>message is humanity endures and depression can be overcomecopied straight from TTGL
>>733756552If we end up massacring everyone in Hometown in Chapter 5's Weird Route like the Mantle Game suggests, I hope the game doesn't end early there and Chapter 6-7's Weird Route is some ultra surreal meta-analysis of trying to go out-of-bounds to try to brute force more content out of the game (previous thread I said this in got nuked)
>>7337819215 has less changes than 2 in Sweepstakes. Genocide Hometown is only happening in 6 and 7.
>>733780768I expect 6 and 7 to release at the same time and in 2029. Deltarune will not win any game awards though
>>733785309
>>733770910Between June and AugustIf you compare the newsletters Chapter 3 and 4 were more complete by Winter 2024 than Chapter 5 was in Winter 2025. 3&4 probably did get held back for the Switch 2's launch but there's still more actual work to be done with Chapter 5, Toby has indicated that most of the team is still working on it rather than Chapter 6 (as of two months ago).Toby already signalled that they probably won't be ready in the first half of this year, but from the progress we've been told about it probably won't be much longer than that, so Summer 2026 seems like a safe call.
>>733756552tomorrow
*knocks on door*Is this the new /utg/?
>>733785832No, this is /v/
Noelle ''Pro-Eugenics'' Holiday
>>733786325Would Noelle perform eugenics with her kids?
What the fuck this looks just like a dark fountainUhhhh.... Toby?
>>733786854What's this from?
>>733756552Who is even the fucking audience for this shitty game?
>>733787067Fate Stay NightThe Heaven's Feel route specifically
>>733787075Which one?
>>733787170Toby is a weeb so maybe he watched, but at the same time Dark Fountains always reminder me more of Mother 3 needles, plus it's just an obsidian geyser.
>>733787075The cartoon deer ticks the boxes in my brain
>>733786854Noelle and Sakura are literally the same character, anon. People aren't prepared for the Noelle Knight reveal.
>>733787075Furries and human enjoyers, sometimes both.
>>733786854>>733787170Noelle is pretty Sakura-coded>Meek and sweet childhood friend>Wealthy family with a sinister guardian>Not allowed to know about the supernatural>"Breaks the game" by going into a trance and killing a ton of people>Has a "lost" older sister
>>733787516Deer ticks? Yeah, I bet she does
>>733787929Never played the game but she is the hottest girl with Saber right afterwards so Noelle being her makes sense
>>733788057Post the Kris edit and not the yurislop.
Barkley mogs all
>>733756609Need her in my bed convulsing over being edged for the last 72 hours
>>733786616If human physical strength is still relevant in DR then she can roll a high int + str child
>>733789457FemKris and Susie (because you are gay)...
>>733789496This is cute. I like this.
>>733789496Who would win between her and Chara in the eugenics competition?
>>733786616No, unless you count adopting only monster kids with Kris as eugenics.
>>733769513>Torture porn "horror"But the PC-98 version isn't anywhere near as degenerate as the PSP remake.
>>733787929And that's not even getting into the whole raped by her older sibling thing
>>733789624Dykes adopting kids is gay. Two mothers is not natural for a child.
>>733756552My dad works for John Deltarune, he said it's coming out in 30 minutes exclusively on Windows Phone devices
I want a Berdly bf
>>733790335But why?
This says a LOT about our society
>>733790335You're gay.
>>733790419I have a thing for bird twinks>>733790472I also want a Martlet gf, so partially
>>733756552https://perchance.org/5d49s7vw4kMAKE IT YOUR FUCKING SELF
>>733790601>I also want a Martlet gfUnderstandable.
>>733790419Have you seen the rest of the cast? That guy is the only one that could actually be called a good person.
>>733790463Why are their hair like this?
>>733790335>>733790472
>>733790601>I also want a Martlet gfNot understandable.
>>733790601>imagine the berdly+martlet threesomes
>>733790127Dess ONLY rapes human kids.
>>733768218Being at the halfway point after nearly a decade of development isn't any better, really
>>733771048You'd have to be deeply retarded to believe something like this. I pity you.
>>733790824This is a situation where you cope with FemKris due to humans being schrodinger gender.
Fucking tranny slop.
>>733791478why are you posting blacks, that's disgusting you black man lover
So, what do we think the setting will be in chapter 5My vote is on 50s americana style
>>733790757
why didn't he just show us what the final prophecy is, I'm so sick of the vague storytelling I just want to know what is happening.>we... aren't gonna let THAT happen... right?so dumb
Edmund is 100% a deltarune knowerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHlF2EQeK6Y
>>733791860Reminder all humans in UT/DR are either asian or white.
>>733791769It's going to be a garden field. I expect to be raining sakura petals because Toby is a weeb
>>733790736Berdly being a gamer is the worst fucking sin you can do
>>733779214>>message is humanity endures and depression can be overcome No it isn't? The message is that appearances are deceitful and even the most monstrous beings can come to understanding and kindness (the visitor)
>this is an evil creature according to anons here
Chapter 5 isn't there because Toby Fox is a faggot who can't hire people to do translations for him>muh artistic intentno one cares, kill yourself Robert
>>733789620interesting fire child vs ice queen dynamic, still so far the dr characters are weak in light world so it's kinda cheating
>>733791974It wouldn't be that annoying if we didn't have to wait years for each narrative element of this sort to be resolved
>>733792931We all love Kris here.
>>733756873can't wait for my unborn kids to see DR ending
>>733792057i've seen that cat before and not in deltarune
>>733791769https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcnq89pwF5gTo me this feels very much like a more traditional fantasy settingI'm expecting Asgore's Castle as a centerpiece (something like New Home or Castle Town) surrounded by the "Fields of Pink and Gold," flowers and wheat fields ("ON SUNDAY, I HARVEST THE WHEAT")
>>733791453Kris and Berdly are going to frot penises together in a purple scalie fleshlight and that’s reality
>>733793028Yeah, that's fair. I don't know if they are "weak", it's more so that they are more realistic while Undertale is fantastical
>>733791974You have to WAIT and IMAGINE.
>>733793728I didn't think about a castle but that's very likely as the shop is literally called Flower King. It would be nice to have a proper final area after 3 and 4 didn't have one.
>>733793009He has hired 8-4 though. He's just uber autistic about it, evidently the bums he hired are also fucking lazy since it takes them 4 months to translate a child's book worth of dialogue
>>733792057>cat game where you do eugenics>Noelle was doing eugenics in her cat game to the point a bugged rare egg appeared, probably giving birth to FRIENDholy fuck they are so connected!I'M A CHUDBUCKET KITTY
>>733793906My hero Berdly isn't gay and Kris is for Susie regardless of gender.
>>733779753You take that back motherfucker.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTNJ57qdfKghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CSUFOam3BEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TDYIAA2StI
>>733794551All anthros, sex independent, want that wonderful human cockWhether they admit to it or not
>>733756552Releasing in June along with Toy Story Chapter 5
>>733757281FLOWEYYYYYYY!!!
>>733794390>we all that Noelle was Hussie>turns out Noelle was Edmund McMillen all alongRich Evans superboss in chapter 5. Bet on it.
>>733792931 >give Kris dog traits>dommy character that can train dogs Toby consumed a bit too much YJK memes
This shit is the most cringe "I'm 12 and any fake edgy slop seems deep to me" ever
>>733794650These are all grating and obnoxious. Fish and Chips especially.Look Outside has one good theme I will grant it and one good theme only.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuib48Lo6WgMeanwhile, the normal fight music is an unforgivable drill to the ears and what you have to listen to for effectively half the game, so even that point gets taken away.
>>733794980Not!Flowey will be the main boss of Chapter number 5
>>733756552Damn no one's acknowledged Ao Oni in years
>>733759035Low IQ people believe every quirky earthbound-like game was inspired by depression, even though Earthbound itself never actually explores those themes and Giygas was more of Shigesato Itoi trying to 4th wall break the tone of his game using a childhood trauma as inspiration.It's true that because of this misinterpretation that some of these Earthbound clones are in fact, about depression because the creators are hacks.Yume Nikki is probably the "closest" to being factual because you can't say some depression isn't involved if the true ending involves her killing herself and roughly every creepy monster in the game is penis like or fondling something or some allusion to pregnancy.
>>733795626
>>733795820It's because Omori was about emotional difficulties and it's easy to be reductive and just say "DEPRESSION" as though every other game were just Omori.
>>733795445You should genuinely kill yourself, you're a dead fucking weight on this earth you absolute subhuman scum
>>733795445
>>733790202>Dykes adopting kids is gay. I'd be surprised if it was straight.
>>733761779He wanted those faggots to eat shit
>>733795820I would say Omori started the ''quirky earthbound depression'' meme
>>733758715Dark worlds don't form in open spaces due to light and the next person on the list of shelter panel codes is Asgore. IIRC Mizzle also mentioned knowing the blue flower. I imagine we will get a dark world centered around the flowers and hopefully get human adjacent content too. I imagine there will be a scene where we see a Flowey like darkner. It would be funny if Kris got scared of it while Susie was completely chill. It will probably start off with the festival then let us go to castle town then we go visit Asgore. Either that or the festival is after the dark world and it ends with a cliffhanger with Asriel or something. There's just too much that could happen but if I had to bet I'd say we are getting flower king dark world, the secret boss being Woody from Asgore's favorite cowboy show would be the cherry on top but some people pointed out it could be Toby's touhou OC Apple girl or something as well
>>733779214Look Outside is the biggest TRVTH NVKE that Toby is a lazy retarded faggot that's dragging this out on purpose to sell you merch.But hey guys, instead of finishing his lesbian fetish game he's working on Toy Story now instead of collabing with washed up Jap devs and vtumors.
>>733768106Berdly? Berdly Deltarune?
>>733796432Look Outside is a fffffucking RPG Maker game anon. It's nothing but sprite work and number inputting. The difference in composition difficulty is night and day.Deltarune would lose a lot of its merits if it was just an RPG Maker game.
consider the following
>>733796326Woody shit is dead and buried. Your cowboy will be the yellow flower, the floral cowboy
>>733771672
>>733796813I'm not reading all of that but I'm happy they're fucking or whatever
>>733796694>It's nothing but sprite work and number inputting. The difference in composition difficulty is night and day.This is why the elite call us goyim. What a fucking sucker you are.
>>733796813qrd? I ain't reading allat
>>733796557..in the freezer waiting for the hospital darkwold
>>733796813
>>733797096I'm not saying it's not a fun story anon, but it sure as shit isn't a nuanced or unique game. It's literally the same as every other RPG Maker game. Ever.You make your number go up and you make enemy number go down. It is is formulaic. All you actually do in Look Outside is manage your time, and that is hardly any kind of revolution. Plus you get so much time that it becomes a nonfactor. Game needed 5 fewer days.
I laughed at theoryfags getting BTFO after Chapter 3/4 but I'm a little worried about Chapter 5 nowIt feels like we have a much clearer picture about it than any other Chapter before it, but there's still so many different big things that could happen, and they can't ALL happenI trust the dog unconditionally but I hope I don't feel disappointed if things don't play out how I'm expecting
>>733756552
>>733797307Toby's game has no variables. Every chapter is scripted and the leveling/gearing is gated to that chapter.Deltarune has 100s upon 100s less variables than any other RPG Maker game. There is no excuse for this linear scripted story game to take this long.
>>733796147Yeah but it's like, doubly gay
>>733796326>WoodyI'd prefer if he was called Andy.
>>733797203Kris feels guilty towards Noelle and Susie, Noelle wants to recconect with Kris but can'tSusie text kinda feels weird because so far she does want to spend time with both Kris and Noelle
>>733797319You need to accept you can't predict the dog. Just join its wild ride instead. However I will be disappointed if the flower bouquet means nothing since I've been expecting them since 2018
>>733797496>Toby's game has no variables
>>733797496Common enemy attack patterns have more fundamental variation than literally anything you could propose in an RPG Maker game, because they are at least reactive to your behavior. That is to say, they are literally aimed at your hitbox. This is an entirely different scheme of programming to RPG Maker, where every single enemy has one duty: a programmed % chance to pick from their predetermined list of options, which equates to a numeric effect and nothing else. Again, night and day.
>>733797496Deltarune is an action game with custom bullet patterns all the time and many minigames that each have to be coded separatelyalso a huge amount of quirky hidden interactions and shit
>>733797319Why do people keep saying this? All the real theories more or less were correct besides the wacky silly meme theories.
>>733797319>I laughed at theoryfags getting BTFO after Chapter 3/4 but I'm a little worried about Chapter 5 nowhahahaha>I trust the dog unconditionallyhahahahahahhaha>I hope I don't feel disappointed if things don't play out how I'm expectingHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHget ready for the festival no not happen this year and the flowers to barely be relevant to the chapter
>>733797706>one singular item with minor flavor text change for an item>adds nothing greater to the game or narrative>meanwhile even the most generic RPG Maker slop game has this in droves all overWAAAAOOOWWW DOOOD I'M BEING VARIABLE!!!!!!!!I like how you have to use text from a throwaway item instead of the alternate route because it just cuts content and added barely anything new in the last 2 chapters. Toby is playing you like a fiddle.
>>733797817>real theorieslike?
>>733797721>>7337977862d indie devs are able to shit these concepts out in short time without taking 10 years to hit the halfway mark.There is also no excuse considering the console devs of the past with less tools and less money did it in far less time with far less resources.This is a 2d pixel game being made by a millionaire and a team. Toby is yanderedev but with a religious cult that worships his laziness.
>>733797496I think Toby is just waiting for GameMaker to add more features lmao
>>733798115Church Dark World, darkner Gerson, Tenna being a TV head and the main boss. Those are the main ones I saw throw around that were right.
>>733797234>not only TANKED snogravy but also holding strong inside an ice rupee this ENTIRE TIMEBEAST, GAMER
>>733798115he's either lying or a kris knighter who hasn't run out of copium that the main point of the theory was wrong the closest anyone got to being 'right' were some gimmie theories like the church being a dark world and noelle's mother appearing/ being named carol (still think clarice would've been better)
>>733798469>he's either lying or a kris knighter who hasn't run out of copium that the main point of the theory was wrongTHE KNIGHT IS KRIS'S STANDI REFUSE TO ELABORATEI mean lets be honest kris knighters were technically correct, so they should be happy.
>>733797504So gay it becomes straight?
>>733798469Kris Knight was the most correct of all theories. Knight has Kris’s soul. Kris Knight will be vindicated again.
>>733798729>Knight has Kris’s soul. Source needed.
>>733798783My theory that will totally be proven correct.
>>733798729alphys knight made more sense noelle knight makes more sense as it stands, the few dess knighters are looking more correct the theory never was 'kris is secretly working with the knight' until after the fact, it was always 'kris is the knight, period'
Kris knighters need to stop with this delusion that Kris collaborating with the Knight makes them technically correct. Those are actually two very different things. Kris knighters in general have a hard time admitting they were wrong. They just dig in their heels and come up with pant-on-head retarded shit like kris slash and >>73379872999% of theoryfags are wrong. That's part of the fun. Get over yourselves.
>>733798721No, it's gay squared.
>>733798968>alphys knight made more sense>noelle knight makes more senseNo, it doesn't. At all. Kris Knight was correct in most of its arguments while those two are crack theories.
>>733799056Kris slash is based and it will be prove canon once Kris reveals the real knife though.
I can't believe it's been like a year since we've seen the knight and kris next to eachother and we still have people defending kris knight
>>733799182kris knight couldn't explain how noelle and berdly got set up in the library in ch2
>>733795236Anon, Toby didn't design Tasque Manager.
>>733799238Thank you for proving my point for me.
>>733799238theory that serves no purpose other than to be a theory.
>>733797817>All the real theories more or less were correctlol
>>733798115Duh Firegrave was real, people just don't know how the ultra secret route to wake up Toriel in chapter 3 yet
>>733798729>Knight has Kris’s soulNo, you do. That's kind of the whole premise of the game.
>>733799563the SOUL inside kris is an artificial one made by gaster that is piloted by (us) (hence it referred to as device in the game files)while inside kris it is technically his soul but it clearly isn't the original one
>>733799287It did by arguing that they just entered inside a Dark World, which is still possible even in canon.>>733799465It's also cool and servers to prove Kris’s loyalty and possible hidden power.
>>733799238I still don't get why this theory of all things is the one that everybody loses their minds over
>>733799465This is my problem with a lot of theories. At a fundamental level, they do nothing. They don't say or do anything meaningful with the characters or plot. It's a series of inane mental gymnastics just to come to the conclusion of "It would be cool if xyz happened". Which, yeah I GUESS it would kinda cool if Kris had the real knife? I GUESS it would be kinda cool if Kris slash was real? But at that point you'd be better off writing a fanfic instead of trying and failing to justify that something like that could ever in a million years actually be canon.
>>733799563You already did this several times, give it a rest. It's most likely (you)r soul. I don't like Kris DID theory.
>>733756552Stop playing autistic dogshit games you tasteless gen-zers and gen-alpha. This is why AAA doesn't pander to you.
>>733799793>This is why AAA doesn't pander to you.who the fuck would want to be pandered by lowest of low slop?
>>733799717their books are open on the table when the fountain is closed the only explanation for that is the two of them sat down and got set up before being enveloped this means the fountain opened after school ended, which means it's factually impossible for kris to have opened it because we know where kris has been the entire day
>>733799056>>733799238While Kris slash will be wrong because Kris doesn't do red text damage, Kris would backstab Susie and Ralsei just to keep the promise
>>733799746It implies Kris could hurt his friends and that's le bad and problematic.
>>733756552Coming very soon. It will contain the biggest amount of Krusie, that your head will explode
>>733799870then why does kris fight harder if both ralsei and susie are down?there's clearly some conflict in kris there
>>733760775It's "The Room" of Earthbound-likes
>>733798408Church dark world was mostly a "throwing shit at the wall and see what sticks" theory that no one actually predicted how it actually played out (no John Bishop, no Catti and so on)I concede on Gerson because he was one of the few foreshadowed things that was played straight.TV head Tenna was a low hanging fruit that was guessed a few weeks after chapter 2.Meanwhile, a lot of obvious shit didn't happen. People spent years imagining what kind of TV parodies would happen in the TV world only for that to be barely touched on. People also expected for every chapter to have it's own King/Queen and Jevil/Spamton only for that to also not be true.
The most illuminating part of Kris slash was the suggestion that the Knight swings her sword like a bat.
>>733799850I always saw the books just being Berdly’s equipment and he had them on his hand which is why he has paper attacks. Plus 4 proves changing things in the Dark World can affect the Light World (Knight closing the door or hiding in the closet for example). The Knight could've still opened during the night.
>>733799746It doesn't look ridiculous on the surface, but the more you dig into it, it requires more and more massive leaps in logic and indefensibly bad misreads of Kris, Ralsei, and Susie's personalities and motivations just for it to come to the same conclusion (Kris is working with the Knight) that everyone else already knew without feeling the need to write edgy fanfic.
>>733800025>TV head Tenna was a low hanging fruit that was guessed a few weeks after chapter 2.people specifically didn't want tv head tenna cuz "toby is more creative than that" (even though tenna is one of the actual few toby original designs, almost every other major darkner was designed by an external artist but tobyheads don't want you to know this)
>>733799271It's more so people get uppity when you point out it was the most correct knight theory pre 3 and 4, mainly from people who believed dumb shit like Alvin Knight
>>733800025Oh, and we have this weird situation of how most Kris Knight arguments were correct except for Kris actually being the Knight.Every single Kris Knight "tell" in the demo chapters was a red herring, while there wasn't a single proper Dess Knight tell besides "something mysterious happened to her" and the Asriel/Flowey parallels.Speaking of Flowey, he pretty much gave away most of his deal in the 2013 Ruins demo, I just don't know why Toby changed his mind in how he does foreshadowing now.
>>733799873It's not problematic, it's just very stupid.
>>733760775Frisk>>>Yiikman
>>733800208>the most correct knightthis doesn't mean anything, it's just as wrong and memey as the other ones
>>733800025>People also expected for every chapter to have it's own King/QueenThis did happen once you realize 4's ruler is the Knight herself.
>>733800168>people specifically didn't want tv head tennait was a 50/50 divide on that as time went on
Why are the goat twinks so kissable in this series?
>>733799642>>733799787The SOUL Is Kris's SOUL mental gymnastics:>Kris needs the SOUL>Attacking the SOUL hurts Kris>The SOUL is literally identified as "Kris's SOUL"The Knight is Kris's SOUL mental gymnastics:>Kris is two characters at the same time>Kris is part of a conspiracy with theirself>Kris has been living without a SOUL for years and nobody noticed
>>733800459Flowey or Asgore don't show up to be the main antagonist in Waterfall or something like that, anon.The appeal there and function in the story is completely different.
>>733800390My main point is that we stick by our theory and why we believed in it while every other Knight theorist fled and pretended they never believed in their candidate at all.
>>733800168>few toby original designsWasn't he technically based on TV Dinnah?
>>733800580>we died on our retarded hill and we're PROUDokay
>>733800485Because you are gay.
Krusie will be forced, Noelle is the Knight working with Kris
>>733800025>Church dark world was mostly a "throwing shit at the wall and see what sticks"It was directly foreshadowed in Chapter 2 and would obviously become relevant eventually with the religious nature of the Prophecy>(no John Bishop, no Catti and so on)Chess theory and rotating party theories were both retarded and already discredited by Chapter 2
>>733756552you really thought we'd get it less than a year after 3 and 4 dropped? Enjoy waiting until Dessember
>>733800116> requires more and more massive leaps in logicIf anything arguing against it requires way more leaps of logicI guess Kris was knighted for absolutely no reason then? (Only happens when you beat the knight)I guess toriel had a nightmare specific to winning the fight for no reason? (When its stated she has a special sense when Kris is doing something wrong)Your arguments are shite and your entire rebuttal is just 'uhh... its EDGY!!!'
>>733800527>>Attacking the SOUL hurts KrisAnd the party. And the SOUL was going to be put in something that is NOT Kris. >Kris is two characters at the same time>Kris is part of a conspiracy with theirselfThis is kino though.>Kris has been living without a SOUL for years and nobody noticedThis is fanfiction you made up to make the theory worse. The Knight is a recent thing.
>>733800350Unironically, the fact that people were able to figure out Flowey's deal right from the very beginning is probably why Toby decided to switch up things this time around.
>>733800726chess theory is just a holdover from ch1 where people thought the whole game would just be ch1 again
>>733800607there are multiple CRT head characters, tenna wasn't the first and won't be the lastbut do you not remember fan designs purposefully avoiding the tv head just because "toby wouldn't do it"?
>>733800618This but without a HINT of irony.
So what it is? Is it possible that's actually 2 people? Like it's Kris standing with the sword but also either Noelle or Susie embracing him from behind? It would make sense why both of them are taller than Kris
>>733800835>I guess toriel had a nightmare specific to winning the fight for no reason? (When its stated she has a special sense when Kris is doing something wrong)This is what convinced me of Kris Knight.
>>733799964Because Kris is hands down no meme 100% true fact checked by patriots one of the most complex character Trony Wolf wroteKris feels obligated by guilt to keep the promise going while also feeling conflicted because Susie company does feels really good
>>733800835>I guess Kris was knighted for absolutely no reason then? (Only happens when you beat the knight)I never said it was for no reason. We already established Kris was working with the Knight. YOU have decided that this means Kris must have been the one to swoon their party. Which is complete headcanon.>I guess toriel had a nightmare specific to winning the fight for no reason? (When its stated she has a special sense when Kris is doing something wrong)Once again, never said it happened for no reason. I'm just not jumping to baseless assumptions to explain it. Incredibly telling how Kris slashers can't actually argue in favor of their "theory" and feel the need to argue against imaginary points nobody made. I accept your concession.
>>733801051*Kris SlashBrainfart moment.
The Man is Grandpa Semi.The Knight is Asriel.
>>733800932Why would the second hero be represented by two people? That's just the SOUL inside whatever girl candidate you believe in.
>>733800932both of the other heroes are described as a singular, stands to reason the second is as wellif kris was never meant to be a candidate then so be it, but i must ask toby why kris shares so many traits described to whoever she is
>>733801070Okay you made me laugh anon thanks for making me realize you aren't being seriousMan I can't believe the knight did this whole special interaction that's unique to winning the fight for no reason. Tricky toby has done it again!
>>733801207Because the cage is already two people.
>>733800850>And the partyNot in the Light World. As far as we can tell, when Kris removes the SOUL in the Light World we completely lose our connection and control over them, but they still take damage when they lash out and attack the SOUL anyway.>This is kino though.No, it's the final desperate cope of Kris Knightfags who want to pretend that their self-insert Kris is The Coolest Guy and Deltarune isn't actually about Kris and Dess>This is fanfiction you made up to make the theory worse. The Knight is a recent thing.So how did Kris's SOUL end up back in the Dark World to turn Dess's corpse (even though we know monsters don't leave behind corpses and still turn into dust in Deltarune) into The Knight or whatever the fuck you think is going on. Explain it to me. Tell me how this makes more sense than The Knight just being Dess.
>>733800726>It was directly foreshadowed in Chapter 2True, but I still think it's weird how early into the game it came, considering how high the stakes were going to be anyway. I was personality expecting it for chapters 5 or 6.>Chess theoryI didn't say anything about chess theory besides referencing the john meme. Each area/chapter having a new main antagonist is just how things have been since Undertale (except only for the true lab).>rotating party theoriesDidn't say anything about Catti being a party member. Why do you guys keep forgetting Berdly was in chapter 2 as a side character?
>>733800932>It would make sense why both of them are taller than KrisI wouldn't read too much into this specifically. All of the graphics for the heroes are quite abstract.
>>733801292No it isn't. You are not The Cage. The Cage is just Kris.
>>733801207Susie can't have soul inside her, so it's either Noelle or it's Susie with Kris
The Vessel was the CageSusie is the GirlRalsei is the prince, duh.
>>733756552seeing five nights at fuckboys in these is always funny
>>733801540>Susie can't have soul inside herNow where the fuck did this headcanon came fron?
>>733800850>And the SOUL was going to be put in something that is NOT Kris.This is also obviously bullshit, "the vessel" was always a lie and the plan was always that You would be possessing Kris. The game does not work if You aren't Kris and Gaster certainly hasn't done anything to correct his experiment being thrown off from the start.
>>733801215Sorry bro, humans will always be they/them
the real trvke is>papyrus is an apprentice cop in deltarune>gets the badge>sacrificed by the knight instead of undyne>gets turned into a dustner>this dustner is what sans brings back to undertale
>>733801540Why can't Susie have the soul if Noelle can?
think we'll get to see susie's parents
>>733785686>>733771035>possible june releaseMaybe even... June 19th?
why is she like this
>>733801805
I recall some anons in the chapter 2 release thread claiming they would kill themselves if Papyrus wasn't in the next releasewonder how they are doing now
>>733801829She had to mark her territory before someone else did.
>>733801319>but they still take damage when they lash out and attack the SOUL anyway.Because we're still connected to them>that their self-insert Kris is The Coolest Guy and Deltarune isn't actually about Kris and DessNot an argument and Kris isn't my self-insert, I just like Deltarune's themes about body vs control and the Knight would still be Dess unless you don't think soulless Kris is Kris.>Explain it to me. Tell me how this makes more sense than The Knight just being Dess.Something supernatural and Gaster related separated Dess's soul from her body in the Dark World, and her soulless body became a darkner. Than Kris gave her his soul so she could move to the Light World. Now explain how darkness turned her into the Knight without that ever being show to happen in actual Deltarune. >>733801697Fanfiction is not an argument. As far as we know Vessel was supposed to hold the SOUL but it was discarded by someone that isn't Gaster.
>>733801808What a totally not ominous date.
I am quite fond of this artist
>>733776240Yes.
>>733801808Can you imagine if this amounts to nothing? No Undertale/Deltarune cameo, no Toby doing VA, not even a sneaky release date for Chapter 5, he just posted this, nothing actually happened on the 19th, and he never elaborates afterwards. How mad would people be?
>>733801829She's sick in the head and hurt poor Kris and brainwashed Kris into loving her.
>>733802164Hardly anyone outside of /v/ would care. Such is the case with 99% of "how mad would deltarune fans be if THIS happened?" hypotheticals.
>>733799238i agreebecause its cool
>>733786854Why did Angry Persian man make her do this?
>>733801540Since when she can't have the SOUL?>>733801292The cage is Kris/Vessel, not the SOVL itself.
>>733801829>>733801926>>733802217>>733802389Why are you fetishizing the pedophilic molestation of children?
>>733802593Because I wish I could go back to being a kid and get molested by a hot older girl, you fucking retard.
>>733801829Dess was a lolicon.
>>733802593Because it's funny and canon and Dess is only 3 years older than him.
>>733802651Surely there's a word for someone that's both a lolicon and a shotacon.
>>733789496>High int>High strength>Crippling autism.>>733789620Depends on if deers are actually boss monsters
>>733801864>>733801805IMAGINE the sex
Kris can survive without a soul... JUST BECAUSE HE CAN OKAY
>>733802846Literally yes.
>>733802707Kudocon? I thought that was the word.
>>733802593I'm not Toby Fox.
Cumming
>>733802593>Why are you fetishizing the pedophilic molestation of children?what the fuck is a non-pedophilic molestation of children?
So we all agree Noelle is the knight right?
>>733802969STRAIGHT FROM (You)R HOUSE
>>733802969
>>733802969HE'S THE ONE
>>733803015I agree.
>>733803015second most likely candidate after dessand i this point i really only say dess because of the obvious mother 3 reference
>>733795820I don't think people believe Earthbound was about depression. There was just a time where we got Undertale, Lisa, and Omori back to back, all were quirky zany retro-style RPGs with clear Earthbound inspirations, and all dealt in fucked up shit and sadness. Then I guess people dumped it all with the 00s sad RPGmaker walking sims like Ao Oni, Yume Nikki, or Mad Father, maybe even other shit like YIIK and Hylics.It all just blends into "retro-inspired pixely pseudo-RPGs with outlandish presentation that are secretly 4th wall breaking stories about how real life sucks.
>>733802164If he posted it on bluesky I would think it's a joke but no, he posted on twitter. Maybe we will get Undertale references on it but I don't expect much.
My wife Susan
how many undotool fans got mad about the earthbound hack
>>733803015reminder that noelle is just a sakura (fate) clone and anyone who knows this can see the twist coming from a mile away
>>733803256She Look Very Nice
>>733802164I pretty sure he just copypasted a post he made about chapter 3+4 some months ago, it's just a joke
>>733802969THE KING OF ONLY!
>>733801775Noelle get soul planted in Snowgrave, normal route won't do it with Susie
>>733803368sup Queen.
>>733803215most 'earthbound likes' are really only superficially inspired by earthbound i do agree that there is a pretty clear throughline with the '00s rpgmaker horror boom directly leading into the quirky rpg's i think lisa the painful is one of the most clear bridges there, it's clearly inspired by earthbound and still has a decent amount of edge those horror games had, blending the two of them into a dark comedy outside of big story moments
>>733803207>Dess is Ness>Ness is the main character in a MOTHER game>The main character's sibling is revealed to be the knightI know it's brought up only as a joke at this point but it's so funny how people say this when the obvious implication would mean that Noelle is the knight since Toby is physically unable to not make a MOTHER reference.Also going off the reference thing, I'd like to remind everyone how Noel is the one that leads shadows astray in Wachifield which means Noelle HAS to be the knight because... References dude!
>>733803436That's just because we "forced" our soul into Noelle in that route. It will be consensual with Susie.
>>733803457Who is cucking Dess? Bratty fucking Asriel?
>>733803256who the FUCK is susan?
>>733803549Carol is referring to herself as the cuck.
>>733800527>>Kris is two characters at the same timeThe soul living on without a body is a concept established very early on in Undertale. Same for the body living on without a soul (Sort off) in the form of Chara.>>Kris is part of a conspiracy with theirselfYeah? If anything, Kris being different from Kris(Knight) answers most of the questions involving him.>What does Kris get out of this. He wants a soul to exist as a person in his own right. Carol promised him one if he went through with it. >Why is Kris so weird towards Noelle?He has fond memories of her but doesn't feel a fake creature like him should be around them.>Kris has been living without a SOUL for years and nobody noticedNoelle and Toriel both notice.
>>733802745I don't think they are but it would be funny if there were boss monster in Snowdin Frisk could've taken and the whole "have to kill Asgore" was just an exaggeration.
>>733802969Saw this bitch nigga bein GLOOBY as FUCK the other day lmaoo
>>733803006children are easier to molest than adults
>>733802969>Tenna voiced by Jim cummingWould be cool.
>>733803558Berdly's wife
What's the worst looking Dess design you've ever seen, anons? I want to get an idea of what the canon one will end up looking like.
>>733803457>posting the edited version
>CH4 Normal route ending caller is Noelle reminding Kris of the promise they made>The screen is split to put Noelle and Susie at opposite ends as Susie mutters about the final prophecy which likely alludes to her or someone she cares about's demise at the hands of the knight>Pink and gold>The eyes of fate stare into you with a smile hidden in plain sight
>>733803256Berdly... her name is Susie.
>>733802639>>733802681>>733802941>it's funny>it's a jokePedophile.>>733803006Molestation is not exclusive to abusing children.
>>733803629I mostly agree. though it would be in character for Asgore to be that self sacrificing.
>>733795820>>733803215First of all, the meme clearly separates Earthbound from depression instead of treating it as one package.Plus, Mother 3 was very much about emotional struggles from the start, way more than the other games. I'd even say it's the one all these are actually inspired by.
>>733803015Doesn't explain the weird and supernatural powers of the Knight.
>game has the most insanely terrible story and simple graphics of all time, worse than NES>supposedly not astroturfed at all, fans just really want more dogshit to rub their face inEvery Redditor should be banned. All spam should result in a ban like it used to.
>>733801829stop slandering your sister noelle
>>733803793nta but I think the argument is usually some Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde explanation and that we're tapping into that more powerful side during snowgrave. I'm not sure how much I buy it, myself.
>>733803549(YOU)
>>733803857>all of the Dess X Kris posters here are actually Noelle.Based.
>>733803905>your vessel fucked off and has been living it's own life>and it's not kriskino
>>733803791>Plus, Mother 3 was very much about emotional struggles from the start, way more than the other gamesIt was but it's also hardly the most important thematic part of the game. If anything the point is more that grief is necesary to be a full rounde
>>733802019>Fanfiction is not an argumentPosting this after saying "uhhh Gaster did it" lol okay man>As far as we know Vessel was supposed to hold the SOULKris being our vessel is an essential part of the story, and specifically the conspiracy that they're a part of. This had to happen for the story to play out as it has, Kris is not interchangeable with "the vessel." We are Gaster has power over the game and seems to be directly responsible for our connection to it. We were brought to Deltarune on the premise of taking part in an experiment. The idea that there is an outside force on the level of You and Gaster capable of interfering in the experiment against Gaster's wishes is implausible, especially considering that they must be acting on behalf of the conspiracy. The second voice must be someone grounded in the world of the game who has a personal interest in You possessing Kris, or else we're opening the door to hack bullshit like "Chara followed you from Undertale and is fucking things up because they're le evil"Gaster has demonstrated that he would be capable of simply undoing anything he does not want to happen, so the "interference" of the second voice must have been either allowed to happen or it was always the plan from the start.Gaster has even shown himself to not be a simple neutral observer through his interference in The Knight fight. He applauds everything that's happened as a job well done, and wonders how much longer until we reach "MY DELTARUNE." There is a real basis here to claim that he is part of the conspiracy, if only as an accessory.
>>733803993*Full rounded person.
what's this about "too many makeout scenes" bros that shit is icky I don't want to see that
>>733803793Why would the DM in a DnD game not have supernatural powers?
>>733803905Alex "Asriel" YIIK
>>733804152The real answer (because this was lost on a lot of people) is that Toby's friend made an AI that gobbled up social media posts about Deltarune and shat out a list of supposedly common complaints. Toby posted it because it was funny how obviously wrong it was.
>>733801864why does her dad look like kris
>>733804152Toby asked i think some AI to describe his game and probably the AI was looking for fanart and only found shipping slop
>>733804338
>>733803857Noelle should be stopped from making fics about her girlfriend and her older sister.
>>73380415240 minute extended kris and dess make out flashback scene
Man the knight is such incredible edge-kino.Shit makes me feel like I'm 15 again.
>>733803791I'd say most of these game developers only played Mother 2/Earthbound. And they all always take the same surface level shit:-Childlike protagonists-Pixel art-Turn-based JRPG-Aren't we quirky, instead of knights and sorcerers fighting dragons, we are children with bats and toys, and we are fighting living chairs and bees!-Psychadelic visual effects
It's really interesting how Noelle's blog has a set "dark" overlay in the website source code that changes the Christmas aesthetic into a grayscale theme.
>>733756552let them cook
>>733803993>hardly the most important thematic part of the game>the point is more that grief is necesaryI'll tell you a secret: "depression" is just a code word for "talks about negative feelings" in those discussions.
>>733804578>Inb4 "Onion is actually working on a segment of chapter 6"
>>733804685>I'll tell you a secret: "depression" is just a code word for "talks about negative feelings" in those discussions.I guess? Lucas really isn't even that depressed outside of, like, literally after his mom died.
>>733804612we do know that noelle would be edgier if she thought carol would allow it, and tries to do it whenever she thinks her parents wouldn't find out
the climax is going to be 100x less exciting than what everyone is theorizing
>>733804587It's pretty refreshing seeing something this edgy played completely straight. xX_BlackKnife_Xx is coming to push your shit in.
>>733803857Noelle is actually enough of a weirdo perv that she would be into that, isn't she.
>>733804810I don't know. Undertale blew anything I could have imagined out of the water. If it's even half as good as the neutral ending I would be happy.
>>733804810Everyone is theorizing the stupidest bullshit ever, so I don't really see how that's possible.
>>733803765It would be funny if Asgore just said for Frisk to kill Carol instead, but he would never do that even if they were boss monsters.
>>733804810nopethe climax will be actively infuriating to anyone who cared
>>733803857Funny and Canon.
>>733801808So what the fuck was this, anyway?
>>733804898To be fair, we had a lot less to work with back then.
>>733804873Last thread we concluded Noelle most likely wrote stories where Dess held her down while Kris went to town on her.
>>733802019>Something supernatural and Gaster related separated Dess's soul from her body in the Dark World, and her soulless body became a darkner. What is the textual evidence for anything like this happening?The only reason anyone wants Dess's body and soul to be separated in the first place is because they read the UNUSED text and made the false assumption that it is current.This is obviously not the case when it starts with the speaker being confused and panicking about an unfamiliar situation. We know that Dess has been lost for years by Chapter 1 and is already active as The Knight. The Chapter 1 UNUSED text is also repeated by Spamton in Chapter 2, further showing that this is a record of past dialogue/memories and not Dess being "lost in the code" and reaching out to the player somehow now.We also know a Darkner being created from a Lightner requires extraordinary circumstances. Gerson was revived from his own dust, which according to monster belief is infused with his own SOUL (which agrees with Asriel and Chara being revived by their dust in Undertale), and even then he can only exist in specific Dark Worlds, not even Castle Town, and returning to the Light World is completely out of the question.A Darkner based on a monster's un-ensouled corpse taking another Lightner's SOUL - a HUMAN SOUL - and being revived as some incomplete abomination (who nevertheless seems perfectly capable of acting like their old self) is like three degrees of separation from anything we have any precedent to understand it with.
>>733804020Sorry, but speculation still isn't an argument. The SOUL was still intended for the Vessel and was literally there during it's creation. Please bring an argument how that wasn't the case with actual evidence.
>>733776297>Toriel was so much of a whore that Susie would rather go back to this than stay at kris’ placeGRIM
I can't wait for every schizo theories to be wrong again
>>733803905Chara is the only one who should cuck Dess. Vessel was literally made to be MY sexdoll.
>Only character to block with her hand>Has Christlike stigmata>Knight's hurt sound is literally Noelle's scream>Freezes Undyne>Has a fire attack that's unused because Noelle didn't use FireShock in Dragon Blazers>CH2's whole plot is Noelle getting forced to be the knight by her mother figure>Every secret boss directly ties back to Noelle>Freedom motif is literally Lost Girl>The only time the freedom motif appears outside of a secret boss is in Air Waves which plays while you play Pluey which is Cat Petterz, the game Noelle first encountered FRIEND in.>Pink and gold tie back to her duality with Susie>Every dark world is based on games Kris and Noelle played as confirmed by RambIt's almost too obvious.
>>733803015>Darkners can't enter the light world, they turn back into objects>Lightners don't retain powers/items from the dark world after returning home>The knight entered the light world, implying that he/she is a lightner>The knight also carried a likely fully conscious Undyne from Kris's house to the bunker>Undyne is strong enough to bench press a carUnless the Knight is a new/unknown character, the only person in the game strong enough to pull this off is Asgore. Food for thought.
>>733805273honestly most of them are much more subdued now compared to the ch2 era, not counting jaruslopwoody posting doesn't even count because a, it's a ch2 theory, and b, toby himself is fuelling it this time
>>733756552Mary sue cant keep getting away with it
>>733805347Wrong, the vessel exists for (You) to fuck with Kris
>>733804314
>>733804152It's AI hallucinating because of shipfags>>733804314Because as far as we know she's a normal lightner.
>>733805462chapter 5 is woodys chapter im calling it
If we're talking schizotheories someone post the world of ut = the dr dreemurr house imageIt's my absolute favorite
Will penumbra phantasm appear somehow?
>>733805664>Inb4 "You missed chapter 3"
>>733805737Toby explicitly killed that theory during the 10th anniversary stream.
>>733805737No.
>>733805764there was no friend inside me in chapter 3. its still on the table
>>733805424Why wouldn't the knight not simply swoon Undyne before taking her out the dark world? There's a good chunk of space between where her spears end and the door which means she stopped fighting at some point.We all know Asgore's fat ass ain't fitting in that suit with the snatched waist
>>733805273What theories could fall in the ''Toriel will join the party''
>>733805583A normal lightner that made the dark world and thus its rules at least in a large part and has already been established to be the strongest lightner.How is a HalfDarkner/SpecialLightnerThing/CorruptedCreature/MissingPerson/PossessedPuppet/HulkingZombie/ShamblingCorpse/Ghost/Vampire/GasterAbomination/TheKnightAsWeSeeHerInTheDarkWorldBecauseShe'sWearingAShadowCrystalArmorOrSomething/WhateverTheFuck running around town making dark fountains everywhere without being spotted especially since that would require it to leave the library in broad daylight with people around?
>>733805941It's not a perfect theory, but Asgore has the greatest motivation of any character in the game to change the status quo.>Wife left him>Best friend dying in the hospital>Kids drifting away from him>Career in shamblesAlternatively, he could be the one pulling the strings with the knight simply being a subordinate.
accurate?
>>733806657deltarune if it was a syndicated canadian cartoon from the 2010s
>>733806763that image unironically has too much soul to be a canadian cartoon artstyle t. leaf
>>733806763Needs more whip sound effects.Is it weird that In hindsight the only characters I somewhat fondly remember are the two investor sisters?
>>733806737redditard tumblrslop memehang yourself retard
>>733802019>Now explain how darkness turned her into the Knight without that ever being show to happen in actual Deltarune.The evidence that The Knight is Dess, on some fundamental level, is overwhelming. We don't disagree about that. The question is how Dess was transformed into The Knight, or more directly what The Knight is exactly.We know that The Knight is something like a Lightner. They possess the Determination necessary to open the Fountains, and they can exist and act in the Light World, something that no Darkner can do, not even Ralsei or The Old Man.The thing that The Knight most resembles aside from a Lightner is a Titan. They are black with a white outline, they "glitch out" when they are attacked, their body changes shape, they are compared to glass. The black shards that seemingly cover The Knight's weapon and armor are something like the Shadow Crystals, which are formed from crystalized Determination; The Titans are born from petrified fountains made from Determination. The Titans and their Spawn resemble fetuses, humans and monsters; those are the forms of Lightners, who possess the Determination that they're born from. The Titan Spawn appear in "places of deep dark;" if The Knight is Dess, that's exactly where she came from. They have shifting eyes and mouths; The Knight shifts between and eye and mouth on their face, eyes on their swords, and a massive eye in their chest, where you'd expect to find their SOUL.For direct evidence I can only point to lines like the "bitter water" reference to the Book of Revelation in the Chapter 4 Egg Room as speculative evidence that might be spelling out the idea of something like "Dess was encased in crystalized Determination/Darkness which turned her into this."But the thematic connection and circumstantial evidence is already far more strong and clear than any alternative in my eyes.
>>733804578This is why he censored the rose scene, to lower our guards to this
>>733806370How did Asgore get to the church before us? Did he take the Carol secret tunnel? In that case is he working with Carol or did he borrow her secret tunnel? If they are working together why wouldn't Carol be the knight since we already know she has antlers and an affinity for swords?Did Asgore shut the door behind Kris and Susie on CH1 then bring chalk to class so everyone could get their assignments? Did he intend for Susie and Kris to get into the dark world?Was it a part of his plan to kidnap Toriel or did he do that to mislead Susie? Do his horns just turn into antlers for some reason or is he somehow misleading us by wearing a costume or something? Is he working together with his child against their friends to "change the status quo"? What even is his end goal exactly? How is he gonna achieve that by getting rid of the police?
>>733806845I want to say "Like French cartoons" but I honestly can't think of any examples outside of Monster Allergy and some old comic book adapations.
>>733804810I doubt this since the Knight showing up in Chapter 3 was mindblowing
>>733805214I don't think you understood my theory. My theory is that someone separated Dess's soul and body but didn't kill her, and then her soulless body became a darkner. There's dialogue that implies Kris would turn into a darkner if he entered the Dark World soulless, that's the Knight but with Dess's body. Then taking a SOUL so they would see past the dark is something Spamton foreshadowed, too.
>>733806930>Dess fell into the lake that turns you into the knight and now she's working with her mom to fix herself or something even though she's supposed to be missing or dead or stuck in the code.>My evidence for this is the clearly poetic and not literal line about broken promises and wishes, paralleling hopes and dreams and connecting directly to Noelle and the promise they made with Kris to stay with each other in the dark.
>>733804368>>733804374>>733805583we should invest more into AI
>>733805556Can't I just fuck both of them instead?
>>733807503>Having female vessel hold down female Kris while you do what you want with herHot.
>>733803215>Then I guess people dumped it all with the 00s sad RPGmaker walking sims like Ao Oni, Yume Nikki, or Mad Father,You say that like if Yume Nikki, Mad Father and other RPG maker gems are not older than undertale and omori like by a decade... and like if OMORI itself wasn't made in RPG maker too.
>>733806930I am going to be honest what you said fits Dess's body darkner with Kris's soul much better than corrupted Dess, especially all the connections with the Titans. Even the poem fits since she isn't really Dess has her soul was ripped out of her and became pure darkness and determination
>>733807698Also aren't Yume Nikki and Mad father both horror?
>>733807686Sad that this only exists with Frisk and Chara because nobody cares about the Vessel and Kris is too manly.
>>733808075People still can't handle Eram's truth supernova about Kris enjoying Snowgrave.
>>733808315People struggle with the idea that somebody can enjoy something but also know it's wrong.
>>733807790yeah, mad father received a remake recently too. the original version is really ancient but fun if you enjoy horror games.
>>733808426I remember once playing it because a friend recommended it. Think I might still have the original on my pc somewhere.
>>733806737Actual real interpretation>should i remove the SOUL to drink some chocomilk? hell yeah>but Noelle? nah bruh
>>733807790>Yume Nikki>horrorEven the creator itself said it was just a simple walking simulatpr.
>>733807686My grey daughter is a whore...
>>733808574He WANTED to do this.
>>733756552WOA, is that CHRONO TRIGGER???That game is like, the holy grail of my youth
>>733805403I wonder if there are any other Noelle knighters besides us and the guy that thinks Starwalker is the key to noelles house (because kris hides his light world item from us)
>>733805273mike murdered schizo theories as a craft
>>733808739I thought Starwalker was just a sticker
>>733805737>>733805812Penumbra Phantasm has already been used as a leitmotif in multiple songs by this point
>>733808631Correct bratty Vessel
>>733805403what sold me is the bibliox in ch. 3 unironicallykris didnt make chapter 4's dark world but it still has biblioxesthis can only be the case if both the knight and kris have the SAME EXACT thing in mindcombined with rambs dialogue about kris/noelle taking shit from school and playing pretend, i think we have ourselves a knight
>>733756552Does Live a Live really belong here? Earthbound, okay. And no Everhood?
>>733809000nice trips but almost no one here played these games
>>733809000Live A Live was a tremendous inspiration to the likes of Undertale, that's association enough.It's also got heavy themes of despair and its consequences, at any rate.
>>733808952Starwalker being a key comes from >noelle says she lost her house key in chapter 1>if she were the knight, she couldve lost it in the closet>kris can "hide" shit that he possesses from us, like his knife>this means kris purposefully "hides" starwalker's light world item from us for some reason>if noelle is the knight, us seeing her house key would be a dead giveaway and fuck up kris's plansbonus>starwalker sitting in your KEY items without ever being able to be used>starwalker's merch is a metallic christmas ornament
Kris is fucking MALE. Deal with it.
>>733809000Well, Toby said he stole i mean took inspiration on the final chapter of Live a Live for Kris
>>733808975Which were all composed before Buzinkai killed himself
>>733808260Handholding missionary with ERAM
>>733756552Brad must be losing his shit seeing so many kids and girls
>>733809338source
>>733809338Please god post sauce or catbox
>>733809000Everhood took inspiration from UT rather than the other way or even being developed in parallel.
>>733791662Well fuck me.
>>733809280I don't see the relevancy of this information
Ao Oni is crap and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
>>733797319I theorized for years that the game's theme is a full-blown meta "go make real friends instead of being lost in fictions" message once you finally banish the Soul and let Deltarune end, and sure enough Ralsei says the first part word-for-word at the start of Chapter 3. I laughed even harder at that than the Rouxls cuckold joke.Picrel is what I'm still most curious about.
>>733809338Nice bush, missy.
>>733809280kris knife fags were btfo'd when susie took his knife, created/entered the dark world, and didnt get Ea or some shit
>>733809529True but it still inspired tons of shit that wasn't so shitty
>>733809583Did Susie ever return the knife to Kris, anyway?
>>733809583>Ea????????
>>733809546Anon, the point of the game being "escapism bad" is something people have been saying/complaining about for years.And it would be ironic since Toby used some of the oldest tricks in the book to create engagement for the game, and has profited a lot from it.I just don't get why so many artists dedicate so much energy into punching down their own craft like this.
>>733808739My Noelle Knight theory is that Kris at the end of CH3 entered the shelter to take a sleepy Noelle to her house, and she snowgrave'd Undyne because of the unused shadow crystal text
>>733809756no
I turned 30 today and toby has been working on this game for half my life and its still only halfway done
>>733809338>Gay AIslop
>>733805216>speculation still isn't an argumentSo we agree, the SOUL is Kris's SOUL as directed stated in the text of the game.Thank you, I accept your concession.
>>733809925My wild theory is that Toby has no desire to punch down on his craft and there's going to be a lot more to the message than "escapism bad". Especially if escapism can be read to mean "video games".
>>733809935I'm glad NoelleKnight is getting more followers.1. Its much more interesting, we give more of a shit toward Noelle than literal who such as Dess or Carol2. It would 100% destroy suselle as Noelle's crush would just become some remnant of Noelle's obsession over her dead sister which is why she larp as the knight in the first place3. It would have Noelle as the final boss, while snowgrave is us allying with the final boss to beat up good guys like Ralsei and Susie.
>>733810096Sorry but it's also called your SOUL and it shows up in a sequence without Kris. Cope and seethe
>>733809990I'm 38 in two days. I spent my best years of 26-35 obsessing over My little pony and now obsessing over Deltarune. Still never got laid
>Kris will choose THIS over a hot sexy tomboy dinosaur
>>733809772sorry, strongest weapon i could think of
>>733810182It's not really more interesting I feel like it dillutes the narrative into making Noelle overly important to a degree it feels improper with the amount of time you actually spend with her.Noelle's behavior makes no sense no matter how much you spin it, the amount of lying and convenient trance/hypnosis required is beyond levels my suspension of disbelief can holdFeels like the theory exists to justify why the Weird Route exists, when the Weird Route being a subversion of the prophecy independently of Noelle being the knight is a much simpler and direct interpretation
>>733809990I really hope Toby puts it into second gear soon. I really don't want to be playing ch7 in my 30s
>>733810360If it's Dess or Carol or god forbid Rudy = super cringeIf it's Noelle who is only acting distanced to not make police suspicious and she's actually the knight = based and make sense Kris would want to help her (he's a simp)
>>733807314>There's dialogue that implies Kris would turn into a darkner if he entered the Dark World soullessThat is complete speculation on your part.And it's wrong. It's ambiguous what Kris is being warned about in the English script, but in the Japanese translation Kris is specifically warned that they cannot enter the Dark World without their SOUL.
>>733810240Not him, but also having text saying Kris Soul at the same time and mean nothing would be dumb, there must be a deeper meaning
>>733809935>WATCH WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I CAST A SPELL I DONT KNOW!>knows itHMMMMM #NOTICING
>>733810482I was burgerpants' age when undertale dropped. Shit ain't right boss
>>733810467Tony said in the stream that Noelle is important and that "no one else matters". She's important enough to play the role of Flowey/Asriel from Deltarune, not just side plot suselle which is what she would be if she isn't related to the main plot of roaring knight and prophecy
>>733809935WAITWeird Route bros, when do we lose the silver watch on our wrist?Chapter 3, or Chapter 4?
>>733809925I'm sure others thought so too, but for the longest time I attracted nothing but ire anytime I mentioned that seemingly obvious theory by anons who expected a straightfoward in-universe conclusion, and this was back when Ch. 2 was still new I should add. Spamton NEO's line of "You'll realize that you're all alone" really hit it on the head for me and nobody I know of commented on it.>>733810169He's really hyping up his fever dream ending so I'm sure it's something that shows meaning and happiness in the memories you made with the characters even if they're not real, but learning to also appreciate the friends you can make in the real world instead of secluding yourself to repeating a limited fictional experience (i.e. what Snowgrave is probably going to be).
>>733810774>Tony said in the stream that Noelle is important and that "no one else matters"wh-what?
>>733810583They can't enter because they would turn into a darkner, not because a barrier would stop him from entering. Without souls bodies are just objects, not living beings. >>733810631It's because he is holding the soul currently. If Noelle absorbed the soul it would now be hers, but it's not the soul that he was born with.
>>733810774Between this and how much of a charafag he was being in the last anniversary stream I think its safe to say Toby has actually been a huge retard all along
>>733810862https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5hrqMMmoKs
>>733810531Why the fuck would it be Noelle you goddamn retard
>>733810774Noelle can still be important in the story by fulfilling the prophecy in the Weird Route, or still with the whole 3 chapters left she has to play a role in. Instead of hijacking the entire plot to be the Knight.
>>733810985Have YOU ever seen Noelle and the knight in the same room?
>>733810531But Kris simping for Dess makes more sense, she was his first lover.
>>733810240And Asriel is YOUR brother, right?Things that are Kris's are attributed to us, because we have been possessing Kris from the start of the game. We are directly told at the end of the intro, "Your name is Kris." The game makes an effort to erase Kris's identity and agency and replace it with Your own.Things that are YOURS do NOT get attributed to Kris. It is NOT a two-way street. When the game specifies that KRIS does something or has something, it is done purposefully with intent.
>>733810934>They can't enter because they would turn into a darknerSorry, but speculation still isn't an argument.
>>733810995Knight being Dess would be anti climactic, like Flowey being a literal who instead actual child of Toriel and King
>>733811058Or Kris could be a shimaidon connoisseur.
>>733810958Toby making the humans into cute girls canonically was based af
>>733811167>The antagonist being a character that has been built up for most of the story would be anti-climactic>compared to the antagonist being pulled out of the story's ass at the literal end of the gamelol okay
>>733810826>for the longest time I attracted nothing but ire anytime I mentioned that seemingly obvious theoryBecause it's a fucking horrible, trite conclusion. I believe there are many people out there crossing fingers this won't be "the point" being shoved down by the game, but of course at this point it's obvious.
>>733810985Noelle Knight has more proof riding behind it than Dess
I can't believe Noelle transformed into the Knight in front of her over-protective and strict mother who she fears and complies with and then ran through the secret tunnel connecting the Holiday Mansion to the Church so she could beat Kris and Susie there. Or Dess or Rudy is the Knight and there's no problem.
>>733810958In chapter 1 vessel creation, Kris Susie and Noelle names were highlightedShe was always going to be important
>>733811071It's Kris’s soul because it's the soul currently in him and fulfilling the role of giving him emotions and determination, but it's not his actual soul he was born with. >>733811126Objects turning into darkners isn't speculation when the cactus and Asgore’s flowers exist.
>>733811167Have you ever considered the Knight's reveal doesn't have to be a grand climatic moment in the first place
>>733805403Dont forget that Noelle can equip swords for some reason
>>733810985Make most sense considering many characters and events hint at Noelle being disturbed and acting weird. Catti thinks she's lost in the dark, Berdly noticed she frozen in fear mentioning Dess, obsession of searches on the internet and calendar all about December. And you want to tell me Kris is working with her sister and Noelle doesn't know about either Dess or Dark World? While Carol, Asgore, Kris and even Dess knew about it? Noelle is fucking weird and sus as hell and her perversion toward Susie is a red light beeping alarm
>>733810774That was just Toby being cheeky and not wanting the streamers to talk to her because she had no dialogue.
>>733811058I don't think a 5 year old was having any relationship with a teen friend of his older brother
>>733809925"Indulging in escapism to the point of abandoning reality and your connections to the real world with people who care about you is bad and unhealthy" is a normal and common theme in media like this and it's certainly not "punching down" on anything lolDid you miss the speech Alvin gave about how telling stories is awesome or Gerson's whole character?"Running away from reality and becoming a recluse or killing yourself is bad" =/= "fiction is bad"
>>733811476the age gap is nowhere near that big it's more like 3-4 years, not 10
I would be so much more interested in Noelle if it wasn't for the gay susie obsession shit. Making your female character a lesbian is a literary cancer that consumes the entirety of their character. Though I suppose in the case of deltarune, the root problem really is that everyone and their fucking mother, literally, is absolutely fucking obsessed with Susie. I hope she gets killed off
>>733811476NTA, but even if they don't go the shota route him having a crush on Dess makes sense.
>>733811262It feels like Noelle just discuss her and Kris plan of avenging or ressurecting Dess as she's the knight who got ambushed by Queen before she could had transform
>>733811476Dess is only 3 years older than Kris and they were lovers.
Damn, so Noelle takes the form of the Knight thanks to Kris knife because it's covered in Dess dustToby you slick dog
>>733811302she can teleport for all we know
>>733811270It'll probably come down to execution. Yeah it's hard to spin a literal world ending as something good but it'll no doubt focus on Susie, Ralsei and others showing happiness to have known and helped you (or Kris) before being freed back into facing the real world with a better outlook.
>Noelle is the knight This has to be the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard. Is this a elaborate joke
>>733811386Of course the fucking knights identity is going to be one of if not the biggest reveal in the game. Its like the number one mystery thats been built up since ch1 dropped, before even we knew shit about Noelle herself. Whats the matter with you?
>>733811549>is a normal and common theme in mediaaka one of the most overstated messages out there, shoved in the most awkward stories, from people who have no clue what really goes on in the order side
>>733811764Non-meme answer, most of the evidence could just be used as a foreshadow for the weird routeBut there are a few sussy things like how she can equip the blackshard
>>733811554Its a red herring. Susie is sisterzoning her, while Noelle doesn't have any bonding beyond half being a pervert and half making Susie act as her missing sister. It's all going to be some dark Hitchcock's Psycho reveal between Susie and Noelle Bates but instead his mother's it's going to be Knight armor
>>733811764Carol>zero brain activityDess>medium brain activity but still too predictableNoelle>actual reality breaking destruction in the fandom, video essayist would kill themselves on stream in real lifeimagine
>>733811362>It's Kris’s soul because it's the soul currently in him and fulfilling the role of giving him emotions and determinationKris has the Determination necessary to create a fountain without their SOUL and obviously still possesses emotions without their SOUL, as evidenced by the empathy they show for Noelle and Berdly and beating the shit out of us when we make them hurt Noelle.You don't know what you're talking about.>Objects turning into darkners isn't speculation when the cactus and Asgore’s flowers exist.The cactus and Asgore's flowers are living things, not a dead body. Why would you pick this example to make your argument instead of pointing to Gerson?Gerson's revival still doesn't support your argument, because he was not soulless. His dust and his hammer were infused with his SOUL, according to the lore book in the library.This is also how Asriel/Flowey and Chara were revived in Undertale, Asriel/Chara's dust spread over Chara's body and the flower seeds stuck to it, infusing both of them with their SOULs.There is no precedent for a truly soulless being being reanimated by Determination. Your speculation that they would become a Darkner is just that, speculation. It's just as plausible to say that having a SOUL is in fact necessary for a Lightner to enter the Dark World, which is literally a magical world of imagination created with the magic of the SOUL (Determination).
>>733811386Why even keep Knight or Shellter a mystery if its not meant to be climatic? My theory is Noelle and Kris are the duo of villains with Kris being turned to good side by Susie. Shellter is their secret club where they try to ressurect Dess who is fucking 300% dead and rotting because FRIEND told them prophecy can do it
>>733811764It's contrarianism. Noelle is clearly the Angel.
>>733811764Its actually one of my favorite theories now
>>733811554She is honestly so cute when she is doing anything else, like when she says ''Merry Krismas''Which sadly it's only a few moments, the rest Toby TRAPS and BETRAYS
>>733811764There is a reason 9 months after the chapter release these kinds of insane theories happenIt's like forcing someone to look at 2+2 = 4 for 72 hours until they begin hallucinating 2+2 = 5
>>733811554calm down dess
>>733811764If Dess wasn't in the game it would unironically make the most senseObviously Dess is in the game and Noelle has plenty of other things to be doing in the story, but still
>>733812126>villains with Kris being turned to good Kris isn't a villain and doesn't need to be turned good, horrible misreading of their character
>>733812160You talk about Rudy, Papyrus or Catti knighters. Noelle make sense if you consider she's the fourth main charcter in the game to play as beside Kris, Susie and Ralsei so she would make the biggest impact
>>733811554Noelle obviously wants the Kris dick and is only a lesbian due to lack of any other worthwhile men in hometown.
>>733812278The audio of Knight shouting also uses Noelle deer scream from chapter 2, but people only said that it's a proof that Knight is the deer to say that Dess is the knight
>>733812292He needs rape correction.
>>733812087>You don't know what you're talking about.I am directly quoting the book of SOULS that says SOULS have a person's will and their compassion. Kris does show those traits soulless but I am sure without us they would eventually lose it.>Why would you pick this example to make your argument instead of pointing to Gerson?Because, as I said previously, I don't think Dess died. I think her SOUL was separated from her supernaturally inside a Dark World. That's why I used soulless Kris and the flowers as an example. A body without a soul is a living being like a plant is, so the Dark World would transform them into darkners like it does with plants. Flowey proves my point because he is a literal flower and was chosen because flowers are living beings without soul, so Alphys was curious to what happens when determination is injected into it. In this case darkness was injected inside a non dead soulless body. This isn't hard to understand.
>>733812292of HIS character. Its obvious you are a tumblr troon tourist so you don't understand Toby's vision with the twists in his game
The knight is Noelles fursona
>>733812160>Dessknight theorists: "THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!"
The Knight being unmasked will obviously be a dramatic climaxBut it's stupid to act like knowing who they are lessens that at all, why aren't you anticipating how the characters are going to react to that, or getting excited to finally see what they're like?
>>733811386game wouldn't be dancing around it if it wasn't if the knight was just an entity unto itself, there would be no reason for kris to try and hide it's identity from (you), because it would simply be
>>733811697Toby will have spent over 10 years doing constant cliffhanger endings, ship baiting, theory baiting, promotions like the sweepstakes, chopping up the game into a pointless chapter release, releasing the most bullshit merch possible, making sure his fans don't ever stop thinking about the game in a way that would make most marketeers blush, to come in the end and say "you should be less of a hikikomori and go outside huh".
>>733812504This will be what happens. The reveal the Knight is the same person.>>733757281
>>733812403This is the actual smoking gun for Dess Knight, anyone still denying it after learning about this is just hopeless
Explain how Noelle got to the church dark world in ch4
>>733812317Noelle makes no sense because her actions and personality make no senseNoelleknightfags cannot decide if she's being controlled, if she's in a trance, if she's actively lying, it's always a little in between because you can't explain how can she keep a straight face meeting her crush Susie after swooning her 12 hours ago.
>>733812506Kris could just be hiding shit because hes a vituperative fucking cunt. Why does he feel the need to throw you around and beat the fuck out of you as much as he does? Hes spiteful as fuck
>>733812504Bro entire emails about the "girl" were about Noelle. Its obvious she's connected to the game as the main villain. Being just a sister of Knight is not that big of a deal as actually becoming a psychotic villain who also think she's her sister avatar and she see influence in Susie who also remind her of Dess
>>733812618Cross country team
>>733812618She was out of the room before we move out to the church
Noelle is the main villain because she is the angel, not the Knight.
>>733812630She's attracted to cruelty of bullying in spamton's sweepstakes. She's obviously bonkers.
Noelle is the main villain because she's a dyke
>>733812840But I'm the Angel
Faha
>>733812876>She's obviously bonkers.You guys put too much faith on Toby's writing.
>>733812840Noelle wants to bring angels and shit becuase she think it will bring Dess back from heaven to Earth
>>733812618she took a shortcut
>>733812887Sorry but you have a god complex. Spamton is talking to Noelle, just like pink addison was.
>>733812953Noelle is autistic but shes not retarded
>>733812876>"she's just bonkers lol"Noelle is far more nuanced than your cheap ass excuse for a characterization
>>733812630Not Noelle knight related but she does focuses more on Kris instead on weird
>>733813015Yeah such extreme nuance as being alphys 2.0 shy nerd bully fetishist
>>733813005>Spamton is talking to NoelleNo, he's talking to Kris (me)Noelle doesn't say anything at all during that interaction, not even when you put the Ring on her
>>733813123I guess Noelleknight fags actually don't even know the character they're building a theory around, that explains a lot actually
>>733812936Catti is aware something is wrong with Noelle but she think Susie is causing it
