what went wrong with ffxiv?
trooned outalso wow trooned out
WoW got player housing which meant the last reason why anyone was playing ffxiv was gone.Too funny, if WoWchads were as evil as the cutlists they would be spamming the board 24/7 with dozens of threads hating on FFXIV like the cultists did with Shadowlands, but as ususal WoWchads are completely secure with their game being basically untouchable. WoW: over 7 million active subsFFXIV: under 900k active subs
FFXIV is the same shit you can predict everything that is coming. The only people playing the game are modders who do stuff like pic related. The other people are the raiders who clear the tier and fuck off to another game.
>>733762084beyond cringesaving this to mock cultists
mmo's are fucking dead just give it up, streamer slop losers are the only reason these games still have players. they were cool 15 years ago
>>733761705I get quitting FFXIV during Dawntrail but why even play WoW at this point?
>>733762040>WoW got player housing which meant the last reason why anyone was playing FFIV was gone.Wow characters are ugly as sin compared to FFXIV. Player housing is pure vanity and vanity can't exist without aesthetic. FFXIV has a modding community dedicated to making the characters more attractive. WoW has mods for spreadsheets.
>>733762040WoW: 7-12 million subs on PC depending on expansion (not counting free trial players)FFXIV: Less than a million active players across PC, Xboxes, and Playstations
>>733762084ff fags be like>my game isnt second life its very kino!!
>>733761705wow has more for the casual dadgamer to do solo than ffxiv does. it also has more mogsmountsncheevos (featuring housing rep)xiv is still the better game though, as, astonishingly, the average 14 player is better at the game than the average wow player is at wow. not even considering addon assistance. it also has a lot more options for roleplaying and the models are far more aesthetic and expressive
>>733763024>the average 14 player is better at the game than the average wow player is at wowmaybe because ffxiv literally had 3 second gcd so you can just sleep while playing
>>733763123>maybe because ffxiv literally had 3 second gcdit's 2.5, and most jobs have double weaves
>>733763123https://youtu.be/R_rF4kcqLkI?t=171here's a guide on how to play wow
>>733763303in ffxiv you get banned if you dont invite grayparsers
>>733763303why'd you post XIV healer rotations
Wait so it's too late for me to start?!
>>733762084and WoW has thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hgcy6bsg4g
I'd rather play ESO than both WoW and FFXIV
>>733761705Besides the turd story of 8.0 which is an expansion issue, the biggest problem with the game as a whole currently is the 4 months patch cycle. You can easily finish everything about a patch within 3 days or a week at latest, everything else that takes more time is just padding/grinding for gear, mounts or other non-essential items. Even the 3 months patch cycle was long, the 4 months one is just asking for a slow bleeding the player count.
>>733761705Nothing, XIV's still the same slop it's always been. It just had a boost in the covid era because people really wanted an excuse to hate on Blizz more during the lawsuit/rape case era. Inb4>Blizzdrone
>>733762084i don't like that every time this webm's been posted to /v/ it's been somebody angrily dilating about FFXIV existing
>>733763804Have they even updated occult crescent or is it the same fucking dogshit that was released nearly 9 months ago.>>733763968Nah, just an ex-ffxiv player who is no longer mazed. Funny how FFXIV players would always tease WoW players for being mazed but they're literally stockholm'd to the game. Anyways if you want to discuss the game go to /vg/ oh wait.. that's right that general is nothing but tranny drama ahahahhahaa
>>733764098>i'm not mazed>earliest webm posting is two years ago with the same gimmickyour maze is "i hate FFXIV"you hold such hatred in your heart
>>733764189Many other people have posted this webm. Sorry I click on a ffxiv thread to post funny webms. I don't really fucking care if people spend $15/m to play second life. I don't play this game anymore and I was glad I played it during it's peak in ShB. But if you think this game will get "better" it won't it's basically going to continue it's course. Yoshi P knows that the majority of pay pigs use mods on NA/EU and just hopes they don't do any stupid shit like the billboard incident so they can continue to fund the game so the JPs who truly appreciate and play the game for what it is as they have more clears than NA/EU combined. I wish I still had my image of the whale sale mogstation mount where NA/EU had the most purchases which rounded out around $2million USD? Anyways I'm waiting to see what 8.0 has in store so I skip all woketrails MSQ for 8.0
Both WoW and FFXIV fucked themselves in different ways since they're such different games. At the end of the day though, they both became seasonal, revolving door games for people to come play 10 hours of new story content once every 1.5 years then they maze themselves with cyberpunk edgerunners evangelion marathon UI fuckery with 5,000 addons. WoW has a pretty diverse community (of retards), but FFXIV is so trooned out it's crazy. That or it's the most disgusting normalfag abominations ever
>>733764431>Come back to game>Join a FC>Literal tranny talking about trans genocide or whatever the fuck>Stop talking to him>Get kicked from FC because tranny complained about meThe game is in a fucking horrible spot it's almost like the sneedolands was done on purpose to get all the WoW trannies over to ffxiv. Fuck, I remember playing and there was a guy called adorf hortler sitting in limsa who had the hitler stache as roegadyn and eternal bond hairstyle. Oh how times have changed with FFXIV.
>>733764378>Many other people have posted this webm.
Not enough MOUNTSMOGSCHEEVOS for the average dullard playing these games
so if wow has the best housing then what's the point of the other mmos?
>>733764923The other MMOs don't have a fucking premium currency for their housing like WoW does, the part that WoW vs. FFXIV shitflinging threads don't like to bring up.
>>733764378Man the unemployment reeks from this anon
>>733763968i play 14 avidly and i hate this shit,the worst thing this company ever did was not ban all of this bullshit on sight
>>733765293>on sightBut that's the best partIt's completely elective, you see as much of it as you want to.
>>733764680WOW won
>>733765438the people who say shit like this are the same people who get up in their feelings when someone says that ffxiv is a weird gooner game or a light version second life/vr chat
>>733762084true, every expansion be like: finish msq and then grind 450 tome cap every week lmao
>>733764923Being a 'le based contrarian', the thing /v/ loves.
>do msq (it sucks)>go do expert roulette>tard wrangle morons in trials>tard wrangle morons in normal raids>tard wrangle morons in party finder >you have to do this for like 2 months to get all your gear, no other depth to gearing/progression>when you're done with this you level alt jobs spamming palace of the dead (or whatever it is now) and the same leveling dungeons you've done 100x>build a relic weapon ever xpac consisting of.. rerunning a bunch of old content and more tediumthis is all you do in ffxiv and it's all you've ever done and will ever do. it gets boring.
>>733761705Some people will say Dawntrail, but it really was Endwalker, Dawntrail itself is just a direct consequence of Endwalker puutting away the chairs (and for many plotlines and mysteries doing so poorly). People are just more forgiving of Endwalker because it glazed them harder.
I loved FF14, and played it like a single player game.The game ended here, so I dont know wtf the Dawntrail is all about. We saved the universe, fought Zenos as friends at the edge of existence, and the Scions disbanded to pursue their own adventures.Amazing game, 10/10. I moved on and played other great single player games.
The only people I know playing WoW are desperately trying to relive the classic/tbc era and failing at it. All they talk about is how time-consuming capping their pvp farming is and ancient videos including 20 year old videos whining about the class meta.
>>733762084I'm so glad I quit this stupid game. "Fashion is the end-game" fags ruin everything.
The classes got dumbed down until there's no fun in playing them, the story ended and the followup was a total flop. They need an engaging job rework and good story again for it to be worth a resub
>>733763123>3 second gcd2.5 with no skill/spell speed, 2.0-2.2 with those maxed (but expected double-weaving), but then some jobs go as low as 1.8 without skill/spell speed and then others have phases where their GCD is as low as 1 second
>>733765601but he's rightyou don't have to look at any of ityou choose to so you can continue to be outraged
>>733762084I need a deep dive ethnographic documentary into the lives of the people behind the screen in these things. Unfathomable levels of cringe and despair.
>>733761705I would probably still play Warcraft if it still kept the metal as fuck atmosphere it used to have. But every time I think if I should play it again I just think "no it's gay and lame now" and that's enough to stop me from rescrubbing.To give you an idea of how bad it has become, Metzen, one of the lead creators says he regrets naming the series "Warcraft" because that is violent and problematic. He wants to take the WAR out of WARCRAFT because it's too violent in the game where all you do is kill things.
>>7337631232.5 with no haste and you need to do 3 inputs within that making it something like 0.8, so wow is the grandpa game at 1.5 according to you I suppose?
haven't played since finishing 7.0. Sometimes i do get that itch again, but then i remember that i will probably casually finish ll content they managed to release since then in like a week and then its sitting afk in cities doing roulette again
>>733764557>Come back to game>Join random invite FC>"Haha I finally upgraded my gay bulge (gae bolg relic) XD">Leave FCFucking awful
I remember when FFXIV had its surge, and the war between WoWfags and the Fantasy sisters.I've never actually played either game, but I made a shit ton of anti-FFXIV threads here.Good times.
>>733766976gen x and its consequences has been a disaster for the human race. Metzen, Gaider, Sawyer, all animals who are directly responsible for le subversion in media.
>>733768039Didn't gen x create the image on the left?Right was made by m*llenials.
>>733768065Metzen is explicitly quoted for covering up Sylvanas belly. His reasoning is that his daughter asked "why can we see her belly daddy?" and he was like ".... I.... I don't know".Metzen is basically the Kratos "WE MUST BE BETTER MEN" meme come to life.
>>733768390You know, I can get niggas simping for a chick on twitter, without even knowing what she looks like, or even if she is indeed a she, along with a thousand other niggas.I don't do it. I don't agree with it. But I can wrap my head around it.Niggas who sexualize fictional characters made up of pixels are the absolutely lowest rung of simps. Pussy on a pedestal ass motherfucker. You're the reason everything is shit.
>>733768486It's weird that WoW thought Sylvanas tummy was too sexual, meanwhile the devs are very blatantly being footfags.
>>733768390>covering up Sylvanas belly>her belly was uncovered ONE timefuck outta here nigga
>>733762040>>733762921Do you have any proof?
>>733766976This. Last year I seriously considered trying TWW because I’ve wanted an MMO to play and I’m not going back to XIV until they fix the laundry list of issues that game has but then I saw that comical cutscene with the broccoli haired black womyn and didn’t
>>733768745Sylvanas belly was uncovered for multiple years upon years. You saying it was "uncovered ONE time" shows you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>733768390>daughter asked "why can we see her belly daddy?this always sounds like bullshit every time some dev brings it, we all know why you did it and it wasn't cause of your kid
>>733768745>one time>it was her longest lasting and most iconic design that originated from WoW’s most iconic expansion
>>733761705anyone doing this was already a massive wowfag to begin with its the only way you can justify giving current day blizzard any fucking money.
>>733761705the devs are giant retards and made all the classes really really REALLY fucking boringespecially if you tank or heal, holy fuck what a snoozefest
>>733768846son, it's in the photo you posted which clearly implies her belly was mostly covered >>733768893how is it the longest lasting if it was only available a few expansions and it was covered since fucking legion? that's like 5 expansions ago
>>733768390I believe the daughter asked about Alextrasza, not Sylvanas. Still true that Metzen became a better man.
>>733768893One of the reasons Japanese games are refreshing is because they don't have the woke mind virus where all girls must be ugly. Pic-related is a character from Dark Souls. Her having massive huge tits is not in line with the atmosphere in the rest of the game, but the guy who made the model was so proud of his work that the director didn't have the heart to say "that is not appropriate" so he just let it in the game.
>>733768390It’s amazing just how shitty American game development had gotten by the mid 2010s and still haven’t recovered
>>733764923But it's Haven and Hearth that has the best housing.
>>733769185Blizzard is notorious for paying their devs barely anything. There are a lot of nerds who want to work at Blizzard.This means a LOT of them are freaks who are the type to drink breast milk out of the office fridge.
WoW always had MUCH, MUCH better gameplay than XIV. XIV's gameplay is the singular reason I refuse to touch the game ever again.However, WoW is pozzed beyond belief these days and only legitimate retards would even consider touching it, even for free.Nobody plays MMOs anymore. Move on already. Until they stop doing the same shitty formula that we've been using since fucking Everquest, MMOs will continue to be dead shitholes that only retards play.
>>733769514the gameplay of the 2 games is nearly identical in pve
>>733769565You've never played either game or probably even seen a single 5 minute clip of them if you legitimate post stupid shit like this, anon.
>>733769565Absolutely fucking delusional. Between class and boss designs and netcode they are about an similar as Arma and TF2
>>733761705Imagine if you will, a game so far gone from the public conscious that it has to compare itself to Japanese games to garner any attention
>>733769762I've got thousands of hours in both games. If you want to boil them down to a simple level they're extremely similar. DPS in retail play almost identically to DPS in FFXIV, altough healers are quite different. WoW generally has a lot more mechanics going on, buffs and timers to be aware of, but the fundamental of 1.) press GCD 2.) weave oGCDs that are on 30/60/90/120/180s/etc timers that line up
>>733761705>what went wrong with ffxiv?Dawntrail, among many other things.
>>733761705There are five types of estrogen hrt?
>>733770049>WoW generally has a lot more mechanics going on>nearly identicalnot replying to you anymore
>>733763024>housing repjesus christ. Blizzbucks can't get out of bed without a gamified progression track can they?
>>733764098lol
>>733761705I have spoken to Wuk Lumutt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoKluzn07eQ
how get ffxiv gf?
>>733761705No matter how much FFXIV tried to dilate, its' nu-vagina is never going to be real vagina...
>>733762040>>733762921Icy Veins calculates 3M subs for WoW.
New FF14 expansion so good I haven't experienced any of its content yet because it's locked behind shitty MSQ.Tolerated MSQ up to like quest level 96 and played like 4 new dungeons and a trial before calling it quits... 2 jobs at 100 and no access to relic sets even as glamour.>b-but you can skip itonly the unvoiced cutscenes, not the shitty "go from point A to point B and interact with 3 objects/NPCS and return" peak immersion gameplay...every expac's been like this but at least I was more invested in the story to ignore this shit... imagine paying an expansion and a monthly sub just so you'll be forced to play the MSQ to fully enjoy the expac you bought...
>>733761705The real story ended and everything since base Endwalker has been The After Years level dog shit that didn't need to exist.
>>733775072so DT is like the Boruto while the FF14 up to EW is Naruto with ARR/HW being pre-Shippuden era?
>>733761705>number 1: I transitioned
I don't know many people outside of the internet, so I don't know how common it would be to encounter people that play FFXIV or WoW. I haven't known anyone IRL that admitted to playing WoW in about five years. I guess it's easier to know people who play when you're in some coomer autism discord group, or you just live in a bigger city and have D&D nights or a nerdy friend circle who play together.
>>733765968All of this is true but WoW is too fucking gay for me to ever try it
If they aimed for a more "sandbox" approach post-Endwalker I would've been okay with the new story being shit, but instead they stuck to the rigid MSQ structure AND immediately brought all the Scions back together. The new characters were also insufferable.
>>733761705ERPfags
>>733771814ohnononooooooooooooo
>>733761705I would never quit FF14, it's home for me. Specially for a fucking Blizzard game of all things.
>>733761705Ffxiv is riddled with cheaters. Why bother?
>>733761705Made DT instead of making XIV-2. Nice cringe OP image you fag.They've reached multiple time based thresholds for story, character, gameplay, ect problems that garbage like WoW had reached long ago where there's nothing new nor interesting and most things will either be degrading or degraded.Do we know what Y'shtola is probably going to do or say every cutscene? Her aspirations? Everything about her? Yes. They had to scrape the bottom of the barrel and whip out the ole "What if Y'shtola but when she was a younger magical girl!" like your mother pulling out the old photo albums, despite it being moderately entertaining it doesn't change the fact it's absolutely the bottom of the barrel stuff.It needed to restart on another reflection, a complete one, with new characters, story, and all the foundational level issues fixed like the netcode, systemcode, and securitycode so whatever gameplay they aimed to do would flourish.They'd escape the doldrums of people trying out XIV, for free, but quitting in ARR because it feels like shit from two different forms of gameplay, the 2.0-4.5 era and the 5.0+ era that removed a large swath of said 2.0-4.5 abilities.They'd be able to do anything they fucking want setting wise so long as they stayed within the broad requirements of aether, dynamis, and so on. For fucks sake ShB straight up has fairies, multiple types of wildly different fairies, that are completely absent from the source world and it still makes sense just fine.The game was like 12-13 years old during their "10 year" anniversary in EW, 2.0 is an asset flip of 1.0, and that shit was devved for PStripples. It was time to fucking stop and make something new. WoW has needed to do that for god knows how many years now too.Mother fuckers trying to ice skate uphill out here pretending like father time isn't going to slap their shit and put them in their place, both games needed a hard refresh and will never get them at this rate.
>>733779581It's not cringe if it's trueNice wall of text faggot not reading that shit
>>733779795>it's not cringe if it's trueYa, that you're a humongous fag lmao.
>>733779581XIV 2 could've been in a different reflection while a century or centuries have passed in the source. Enough that the broader multi-shard setting can actually have new lore, since they threw away most of what they had built up as presently-relevant threats in the source.Continuing the source's storyline after Endwalker just makes it too obvious the setting is currently empty, and the protagonist too OP for any threat they introduce to be taken seriously.
>>733762683its something new for them i guess? grass is always greener and all that, something to try im trying guild wars 2 right now
>>733761798blackrock bought large share of SE during lockdown Thats why all scquare games got americanized (worse)
>>733761705there's so many red flag with midnight I don't think anyone is excited for that lmao
>>733761705What's wrong with MMO addicts? It's always game A game B body talks about better games. It's a fucking mental asylum
>>733781007Don't give GW2 cash. Please just, take it from me I own the entire god damn game and everything.If you really want to give it a go I won't stop you, just reach the Living World Season 1 misery that's F2P and stop there.I won't say it's like that all the time in the rest of the game but it's like that enough of the time that it just isn't worth it to spend a bunch of dosh.
>>733761705Literally just get off the mmo hamster wheel. If you have to choose between one of these or the other then you're a giga retard.
>>733781734its just wow releasing a xpac and so the marketing is full swing.
>>733761705It's too fucking long, and too much of a slog. I theorize you could cut and compress the main quest of ARR down to thirty quests max, and hours could be saved if Mincuntia didn't demand your physical presence in her office all the time.I have my own criticisms regarding the fact there's no real concept of "builds" and equipment is stat shirts and stat sticks, but the fact the game constantly, CONSTANTLY disrespects your time is why I dropped it at Shadowbringers.
>>733761705>Make an MMO with story as the focus>Despite this, spend the first two expansions making content and raids showing off the scale of the world while also managing to keep the stories involved for each of them>Put a big focus on the world itself, with tones of unified effort among diverse nations even as underlying political plots push and pull the strings>(You) are a single Warrior of Light among untold many both in the present and throughout history, upholding a legacy of heroism alongside others like you>The world is a dangerous place even at the most basic level, making your role naturally importantThen you get to Shadowbringers>The world does not matter beyond how it directly relates to (You) in this instant. Entire nations are paid lip service in the form of their token NPC smiling and emoting as they tell you how great you are.>Raids no longer have a sense of grand scale, you simply go into a fight on a small circle or square and hit the loot piñata with your designated rotation while playing simon says.>The world is no longer dangerous or mysterious. Everything is plainly explained to (You) in long-winded cutscenes. Even death itself is no longer a mystery sincr you have outright seen the afterlife and watched the Gods kill themselves. >The gameplay loop is completely sanded down. You go to an area, talk to an NPC alongside your designated Scion bobblehead, and either kill a handful of cardboard mobs or do the designated instsnced fight. Repeat this until you reach a Dungeon, which will be a hallway with a handful of circular boss arenas that you need less than half a brain to clear.>(You) are the super special most chosen hero ever who is the most awesomest guy ever and you were best friends with God and also the villains and everyone innately loves you unless they're evil and even then most of the main evil characters like you because they're actually just misunderstood and sad.Shadowbringers ruined XIV.
>XVI has a bunch of shit elements>Retard fanbase praises those shit elements and forms a cult of toxic positivity>Every expansion the game gets worse and worse>Eventually it hits a boiling point and even the retard NPCs cant take it anymore
>>733782449>Retard fanbase praises those shit elementsDeep dungeons................. Imagine doing this """"content"""" every expansion for 10 people.It was already outdated and shit at release, and it is 99% THE SAME SHIT TODAY. AND THIS is used for leveling.You can't make this shit up.
>>733762889>Wow characters are uglyEvery single male FF character is zestier than anyone ive ever seen.
>>733781734Little brother, no need to tell us you're underage.This started decades ago with the consoles wars.
>>733766976I mean the one on the right is hearthstone which was set up to be a casual cartoony game.
>>733761705>XIV still makes wowkeks seethe
>>733768939>son, it's in the photo you posted which clearly implies her belly was mostly coveredretard. from wrath to legion was years between the two, not directly after one another. it was uncovered for years you retard tourist. get out of this thread.
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>>733761705how did ff14 buck break wow players so bad? wow player ego is monumentally fragile, people responding to ff14 threads like yoshi fucked their sister
>>733761705instead of making a better ffxi, they took dogshit from WoW and made it ffxiv
>>733782787World of Warcraft isn't much better. Khadger is a fucking wizard that should be able to levitate himself naturally through magic but to put disabled representation in the game they put him in a fucking magical wheelchair.It makes no fucking sense. Conjuring a wheelchair would take more work than just floating around but Bllizzard still gave him the cuck chair to represent the disabled.
>>733761705Dawntroon is dogshit. They fucked in the one thing they had going for it
im tired of youtube slop
>>733765601Obviously yeah people get up in their feelings when somebody walks in half-cocked about the game being a hive of degeneracy, then it turns out they're purposefully immersing themselves in it and everything they're complaining about is optional and purposeful.
>>733782410>(You) are a single Warrior of Light among untold many both in the present and throughout history, upholding a legacy of heroism alongside others like youThat changed the moment ARR started. Especially with Hydaelyn directly helping you out against Ultima Weapon. (You) being the chosen one was the direct set back as far as the GC storyline in 1.0 (when Yoshi-P took over). It’s what set it apart from WoW because Americucks actually got gaslit into thinking being a NPC in the lore was good. But I do agree the shift with ShB with Ancientslop was unfortunate. Really I’d argue it all started when 3.1 introduced parallel worlds. They should’ve limited it to just one other world that’s cannibalizing Aether from our world in waves. Because I hate how simplified these other worlds are lore wise.
>>733761705it suffers from a long patch cyclebut, each patch at least has good quality content, now that the story was course correctedit's not a skinnerbox, people LOVE skinnerboxes, log everyday, etc, and wow is exactly thatwow has shorter patch cycles, but each patch is pretty shit, the story has been non existant since legion and the only reason to play wow would be m+
>>733782410You can actually tell the playerbase has been almost completely replaced by this fact: After Shadowbringers, whenever they try to dip into political storytelling that's about the world rather than about the WoL being super special, it immediately invites a ton of whining. Garlemald was the only zone in Endwalker that even tried to be written like old XIV and a lot of the newer playerbase hated it. Rest of the expansion was purely about sucking off the WoL and they loved it no matter how nonsensical it got.
>>733783272SAAAAAAAAAR
>>733763410no, its not too late at all
From these threads I've noticed that shitposters think they're clever if they reverse the criticism they received from WoW threads and turn it into FFXIV criticism. It just doesn't work that way.
>>733771814the only thing that graph show is that the game gained an explosive amount of players and it's going back to its ShB levels of playercountEach new expansion will have that extra bump
>>733783443I think the idea in the early expansions was that while the WoL was special and a chosen one, they were one out of several throughout time and space. This gradually shifted towards the WoL being the single most important chosen one around and any other Warrior of Light being simply a shard of the same guy, who the WoL is also the most complete shard of and thus the closest to the original.
>>733783443>The Void in ARR>An esoteric and inhospitable dimension inhabited by horrific creatures who only desire to destroy and consume, where (You) can only trespass due to a loophole in the laws of reality created from an ancient Allagan pact with the Cloud of Darkness>The Void in EW>It's just a planet with a bunch of deformed freaks who are sad and mopey that they can't die, and all they really want to do is just die properly. You can go there without any issues because Y'shtola made macguffin shields earlier this expansion. And Golbez is here!Utterly infuriating.
>>733763410>ffxivlauncher_2017-10-29_20-37-23>2017-10-29_20-37-23
>>733783761NoooYou need to compete in the "which MMO has more players" contestI never cared about player numbers. Still more than enough people to do content
>>733783798The Twelve in ARR were treated like this actually important detail of the lore that we would potentially learn about over time, then they completely forgot to do anything with them for nearly a decade and decided instead they'd just go and wrap them up completely in one raid series and then they'd remove them from the setting.One of the foundational aspects of Eorzean culture got turned into a prayer answering machine lol.
>>733783798>And Golbez is here!In fairness Mhach threw FF12's Cuchulainn at you, Foobar adds and all.
>>733783443>That changed the moment ARR started. Especially with Hydaelyn directly helping you out against Ultima Weapon.In one of the first cutscenes of ARR you see several other random NPCs communing with Hydaelyn. She helped you against Ultima Weapon because Ultima had the potential to kill her. And actually, Hydaelyn choosing many other random people is even a plot point in ShB. Mitron and Loghrif were taking advantage of her automated crystal granting to tilt the First toward Light. And said automation then also caused the Flood of Light when it granted Ardbert a crystal too, something they were trying to avoid. It's just EW that turns WoL into the super special chosen one that Venat fell in love with after one conversation at the beginning of time through a time loop.
>>733783961Your first sign they weren't going to do anything with Eorzean myth because it's not really important outside of primals in the long run is Dalamud not featuring in any other culture's moon worship or mythology, even Tsukuyomi who gets a primal fight
>>733783443>>733783762Early on you were A chosen one. This eventually played out into Stormblood's Alliance raid and Trial series, which showed Ramza and Tenzen as historic WoLs with blessings just like yours.Then in ShB it turns out you're actually THE Hero of Heroes specially descended from the most coolest Ascian ever. And then in EW it turns our you're even more the prophecized special chosen one because you met Hydaelyn before she was Hydaelyn via time travel.
>>733783961The most insane thing about EW to me is that it proves Gaius' speech in Praetorium right in full. Eorzea's Gods are nothing. There is no grand divine design, no benevolent deities who answer prayer out of goodness. There aren't even afterlives, just an endless cycle of death and rebirth. Eorzea's entire religion is fake, and built upon manufactured products of the Ancients.EW retroactively made ARR's villain correct about EVERYTHING.
>>733784102This process also kind of happened in tandem with them gradually giving up more and more on the notion that other players actually exist in the setting or story in any meaningful way.Though, to be fair, their integration of the concept of other players into the story was always terrible. Way too many contrived scenarios where you clearly didn't have time or the means to go "gather adventurer allies" and yet they'd include an NPC or a quest blurb implying you should do it anyway.I guess the trust system solved the issue and now you canonically do all content with NPCs, but the cost of that is that dungeon design has collapsed completely.
>>733784260We could already hazard a guess he was right even in the context of ARR, but in ARR's context it's "why does that fucking matter? get out of my country you armored shithead." It's kinda like if he was right about the sky being blue or snow being cold.
>>733783887Remove the wow token from the equation, wow would've died mid dragonflight
>>733784363There's some question to his speech because in ARR, to everyone's knowledge, the Twelve DID intervene against Bahamut, showing some aspect of divinity and benevolence. Gaius called this into question by comparing them to the Primals and asking why they won't intervene against his invasion; a point that actually gets conveniently struck down when Hydaelyn DOES intervene during the Ultima Weapon fight.And then EW turns around and has the Twelve almost literally say 'Oh yeah that wasn't actually us, we haven't done shit'.
>>733782410>>733783443>>733784260Seething garlenigger larpers. They never learn. Kek.
>>733784592>Dawntrail is the first expansion without Garlemald's involvement>It's the worst expandion in XIV's historyHmmm...
>>733784591Hydaelyn's already careful to not imply or even intimate the existence of other gods the few times she talks to you and Ascians refer to Zodiark as "the one true god". I don't think the Twelve are delivering news when you finally get around to them, especially with the 10 year real-world gap between ARR and EW
>>733784591Carteneau was a primal summoning. Everyone always knew that because the last quest of 1.0 was to pray at the stones to prepare the summoning for Louisoix.However, this also means that EW conflicts with that because the Twelve are supposed to be absorbing that prayer and preventing primal summonings.
garlesissies never learn. EW was a gift.
>>733784803Louisoix gathered energy for a primal summoning but didn't/couldn't actually use it for that, that's still a lot of potential energy and prayer floating around in the air and apparently the logic was most of that actual sentiment was "help us" rather than beseeching the Twelve specifically, so he exploded into a Phoenix
>>733761705The same thing that happened to wow. It became lame and gay. They were both always fairly lame and FF was always fairly gay, but now both of them are very lame and very gay.
xiv never had a soulful period, it was always a shitty wow clone
>>733784905No, Louisoix explicitly said he performed a primal summoning. That is why the symbols of the Twelve appear to enclose Bahamut in a new Dalamud, and why he can invoke Althyk to send WoL through time. He became Phoenix because the people of Eorzea were directing other prayers toward him, not because of his own.
>>733784649>worst expandion in XIV's historyThat's Heavensward for how god fucking awful all its new content was except Palace of the Dead and how broken all its jobs were and designing Machinist and Astrologian after Mustadio and Orran Durai instead of doing anything original from the start with them, or just designing Machinist as Edgar from the start and designing Astrologian as Time Mage
>>733785065Astro is time mage anon
>>733785145Thematically it's Space Mage and they flirted a lot with controlling time through space, I'm more saying it should have just been Time Mage instead of pussyfooting around it for an epic Tactics reference
>>733781893not even the expansions at a discount? obviously i have no intention of ever giving an mmo money for stuff that should be free (cash shop BS, convenience items and outfits)
I replaced wow with XIV as my main mmo for the simple reason reuniting 8 people for HL raids is way less of a hassle than reuniting 20 people. you can raid with friends in ffxiv whereas in wow you're forced to join corporate structures. fuck this shit, and fuck wod for deleting 10 man mythic
>>733785180you'll never guess how we measure time in real life anon
>>733785180Classic Time Mage is a space mage, and you should think about how time is measured.
>>733785329>>733785346Go away semantics-lords, Astrologian doesn't wear a sugarloaf hat and they've turned it into a pure fortune teller and star mage sinceLike talking to a fucking genie with you people
>>733785423you can make a time mage outfit with heavensward gear by itself anon. not to mention the OC set
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>>733785423>says something retarded>other people tell him he's wrong, not even in an argumentative way, just telling him he's wrong>starts shitting his pants and throwing a fit Getting started early today, Abel?
>>733762084this is really the crux of the issue honestly>same 450 weekly tomes>same boring dungeons with 2 trash pulls and 3 bosses>every fight takes place on a circle or square arena (or rectangle if the devs are feeling adventurous)>every expansion is 6 new zones, 5 levelling dungeons, 3 cap dungeons>every patch has the same shit you've seen since ARR, raids and alliance raids haven't changed at all>every job is dumbed down to the point that a brainless chimp can do it and yet there are still players that don't know how to play even with multiple jobs at 100>stay subbed or you lose your in-game house which has very limited slots and you need a fucking auction to get>new 'arc' of the story was lousy as fuck and left little impressionthere's basically nothing to really get excited for unless you like the story and even that's mostly meandering at this pointthe actual raids and shit are cool, but so much of it is one and done and even with weekly lock-outs, I struggle to find a reason to come back because none of the jobs have any depth so playing them feels like a chore
>>733766189This right here is how you should play XIV. Ignore people, play the first story arc and be done with it. Absolutely fucking kino of the highest degree.
>>733783272this image is all the reason I need to never return to WoWjesus christ, how much fucking breast milk and koolaid did the devs slurp up after all the sexual assault allegations?
>>733762084I can already predict quantum isn't going to save jack shit next expansion.They couldn't even let people try it without tying it to the most boring in game activity ever... This is going to be Chaotic v2, just FOMO for the savage raiders.
>>733785859Powerful.
>>733782410>Shadowbringers ruined XIVWRONG, that honor belongs to endwalker, or plot point killer as it should be called.Did we need to know what actually caused the rumbling? NO. Could it have foreshadowed a new threat that even the ancients couldn't stop? YES. Did we need to ruin any mystery involving the twelve and them murder them for no real reason?!YES, because japs obsess over killing gods. Could the one or more of the twelve turned rogue of helped us fight off a similar godlike entity or have their origin serve as the plot to an entire expansion itself? YES. There plenty of other shit that turdwlker went out of its way to demystify and over explain. Its got so fucking bad that by the end of the expansion the writers seemingly realized how badly they fucked up the settings and had to have their golden boy Emet appear one last time to tell the player "trust me wol there's still plenty of mystery and adventure out there, believe me, no bullshit! Just wait till next expansion", and look where that got us....
Oh no! All the WoW tourists fucked off and stopped playing my game? What ever am I supposed to do?Thank fucking christ you faggots were so god damn annoying.
>>733785286Listen brother, just play through living world season 1 for free and you'll understand.They literally, no hyperbole, lock you into a tavern instance with 2 lesbians while they spend 15-20m minutes expositioning at you about "evidence" with unskippable dialogue, one of which gives wuk lamat's VA a run for his money.I will tell you, much of it as never as horrible as the above but there's a large chunk of shit that is solid 4/10 type of misery and it's high point story wise being a solid 8.5 in Icebrood saga and that's the game at it's peak.Tons of unskippable dialogue, even for the most inane horseshit, because they really lean into the "VA are gods" mindset.If you hated any kind of californian wishy washy jewish non-sense in WoW or DT, know that GW2 has that shit in spades, it's directly competing with WoW purposefully on the stupid bullshit front.If you played GW2 exclusively for gameplay reasons it's decent, sometimes even good. But you can't unlock shit without doing the story and paying additional dosh for the living world patches, which means the only good "deal" is to buy the complete edition on sale for 50 fiat for the first 3 expansions + patch content.My spirit animal is a jewish rabbi so you better believe I got my fucking money's worth and played through the whole god damn thing, even if I disliked a lot of it.
>>733785681first name dropped/xivg/ rapefufee detectedargument automatically voidhigh school drama is not an argument
>>733786156People that want the Twelve to be important are mystifying to me. Eorzea's gods being real or directly intervening destroys basically all worldbuilding since late ARR to HW up to the alliance raid where they feature.
>>733786156The best way to handle the Twelve, if they ever really had to, would have been the same way primal origins are handled. They don't all need to come from the same place. Ifrit is a mixed memory of Zurvan and the Calamity of Fire, Titan is the personification of O'ghomoro, Garuda was an Allagan woman deployed against Bahamut, Leviathan is the Sahagin variation of the myth of Thalaos and Peryktos. The Twelve should be as varied and give as much life to the world as the primals did. Some completely made up, some just Ascians or WoLs that people confused throughout history, some genuine powerful spirits, etc.>>733786357Have you found those instances of WoL being credited for Valigarmanda's kill yet?
At least WoW still looks like Warcraft.XIV looks nothing like ARR any more, all the modern shit makes it look like second life or some fucking korean f2p mmo at this point.
>>733786487Good, ARR looks like shit.
>>733786528ARR was peak comfy and a good, fun MMO. Dawntrail is literally just a raid simulator and none of the new zones have any charm to them.
>>733786598>standing in mor dhona between levequests:)>standing in tuliyollal between raids>:(
>>733786487>At least WoW still looks like Warcraft.
>>733786678Nobody stands in Tuliyolaal and even less people use the shout chat.
>>733786156Counter argument, this shit was handled because EW was supposed to be the end of the game so they may as well explain it and finish off the story out.They give you a retirement island complete with robots to do all the work for you, even the most peasant of John Fantasy's wouldn't need to bed sugar mommy Krile for Inn money or deal with Tataru's WoL swimsuit calendars anymore, he'd simply be a rich island owning man.EW manhandled the WoL's personal life with retirement island, we handled the 13th being a problem, the scions disbanded from being functionally defunct, tempering is gone, beast tribes are at peace, the world and galaxy was quite literally saved, and even the Eorzean gods were brutally murdered off for 0 good reasons.It was joever. I'm not sure they could make it more joever if they tried unless they outright killed our character.
>>733786709As shitty as that is, it still looks like some orc could have cobbled that together. There is no excuse for this this in XIV.
>>733786736they literally ended everything because the game was given to a completely new team, so they wanted to give them the opportunity to start blank slatesadly the new team is rancid dog shit and delivered dawntrail
>>733786841If I had to choose I'd take this over >>733786709every time
>>733786841It's fun to contrast /v/ bitching about ruined immersion with how high the item in question is on the bestseller's list and see if their complaints have any bearing on realityI don't see this set in the wild whatsoever and it's ranked third-to-last on the cash shop bestseller's list, only above the /dote and /loveheart emotes
>>733787000What will you do for me if I go to Solution 9 and find someone wearing it right now?
>>733786841>literally getting idolfag shirts next eventthis fucking game man...
>>733787035Tap the sign since you're helping me make my point
did they kill wuk and did yoshi do a naked dogeza apologizing for letting kate "wormtongue" cynwar fuck their shit up?
>>733787087>i never see it in the wild>and if you see someone wearing it you're proving me right
>>733787183Clownsuiting is hardly a WoW thing, even if I do fucking hate WoW's artstyle and armor design
>>733761705They were “the MMO with a story that wasn’t irredeemable dogshit” and then they released the irredeemable dogshit expansion. WoW on the other hand has a permanently indentured crew of people with no standards.
>>733786841What would cause anyone to dress their character in that? This is literally official modbeasting...
>Add a cyberpunk metropolis as your endgame hub on the same expansion where you sanitize the setting to the point it cannot convincingly convey a real cyberpunk dystopia
wuk lamat or sylvanas?
>>733762889>Wow characters are uglyYou need to have high testosterone to be attracted to wow's females
>>733787401Unironically blame the Chinese/Korean playersIt all started from them
>>733787451Because S9 is an utopia and there wasn't even an attempt to make it a dystopia? Except for the levin sickness everything is amazing in S9. No, them being soul sucking vampires is absolutely fine, no one is allowed to question that.
>>733787451its not even Cyberpunk, its just futuristic, almost everything about Alexandria other than soul thing was shown to be positive and its citizens happy and content and now even that's settled so Alexandria is basically a Utopia
>>733787559It'll be a utopia until their aether levels normalize in their new host dimension and they lose access to always-on lightning storms
>>733787559>>733787558you can tell the new devs are really bored with fantasy and only care for the modern shit at this point, it is the only area that got any content>but OC-What about OC, huh?
is there a reason you HAVE to play an MMO?practically every single person I know who plays one is fucking miserable while playing it and has no good things to say
>>733787503I probably would to be enough of a meathead to not care what I'm sticking my cock into>elves with giant eyebrows>cows>trolls>paladin satyrsNo Thank You
>>733787672i enjoy the battle system :)
Play Yoshi-Ps game, /v/. NOW!!
>>733764378>peak>shadowbringersKill yourself secondary retard. I'm glad your kind is leaving.
>>733787503to be fair, gnomes and goblins mog lalafell
wow is boring AFffxiv is just boringwalk talk combat cycle for 15 minutes is just boring as hell
>>733787795I'm glad this game has a Second Life-y baroque goth subculture attached to it so that I can instantly discard anybody that's seething their head off about it. You have to go out of your way to involve yourself with that subculture. Absolute pinnacle of purposefully surrounding yourself with shit to get mad about.
WE LIKE THIS
>>733787495Am I killing them or having sex with them? I'd have sex with both but Sylvanas deserves death way more.
>>733788009Post modbeast abominations
>>733787871before the pixarfication of gnomes i'd have agreed with you. RIP chromie. goblins are nice but the in game models are never expressed in art, artists tend to draw goblins as short green elves
>>733784102Ah I get the vibe now yeah. ShB when it made it that (You) are a reincarnation of the OG Hero Azem. Yeah. I agree. As much as I enjoy chosen one slop, the direction it took was so disappointing.
>>7337617057.0+ MSQ was insultingly bad(Fuck Hiroi).Job design is too homogenized.Too much content is for small slices of player base.
>tfw waited 85 minutes for Dun Scaith queue before giving up>roulettes reset like 30-40m before I queued Okay...
>raids are better>game looks better>game play is more funYup, XIV won
>Install mods so you can see modbeasts and record them so you can complain about themI don't get it
>>733788096>7.0>+Post-7.0 is fine, yes even Koana sacrificing himself for the sake of a single buffaloKoana is a hysterical retard who changes his entire belief system after maybe five minutes of pushback, in case everybody forgot from 7.0After that is Sphene and Calyx which are good
niggas crying about "muh job design" when pf still gets filtered my m11s lmao
>>733787961>You have to go out of your way to involve yourself with that subculture.No you don't. Those people are around whether you can see their modbeast or not. They invite friends, they complain to the devs on twitter, they fuck up your groups, and they've already become a sizeable demographic that the devs try to appeal to (see the Hot Topic cashslop). You don't live in a bubble, Abel.
>>733788117Are you on dynamis or something?
>>733788090>>733784102Oh and in addition whats funny is there was one moment in 5.2 or 5.3 where they were researching about the original WoL in the First and tried to tell you that you aren’t really super special chosen one or some shit lol.
>>733788194StupidGraha should be code red
>>733788243aether.
>>733787279It's more like LGBTQ+ suit
I don't play MMOs and love the first 7 FF games. The only thing I know about XIV is that the Warrior of Light shows up at some point, I'm assuming it's supposed to be the same one from FF1 and it's multiverse shit or something. Is it worth playing for the story?
>>733788196Current job design is one of the biggest reasons people get filtered though because if a death results in missed two minutes then the dps check is fucked. Buff alignment becoming essentially automated means it's no longer bonus damage for playing well, but something expected of you at a baseline.
>>733788230Speaking of deranged lunatics getting mad at subcultures they purposefully immerse themselves in, here's somebody calling me Abel.
>>733788194>Post-7.0 is fine, yes even Koana sacrificing himself for the sake of a single buffaloThat is the exact point at where I stopped playing. I did not finish 7.1, I unsubbed right there.
>>733788318Give the Free Trial a shot and decide for yourself
>we lost to thisFucking hell
>>733788360Cool thanks for sharing
>>733788176Gonna need the twitter you got this from, son. My femhroth bookmark folder is dangerously low.
>>733788083Yeah poor chromie, I recently played through dragonflight and she made me one to mute the audio. Gnomes desperately need more customization options too, I want to make my kul tiran into a gnome but the customization stops me. They have a cool dance at least
>>733788339You're really not good at pretending to be anyone else.
>>733788380you know what, I think I will
>>733786736I don't care what some krilefaggot has to say. Especially when you haven't played the game in years.
>>733788420TY for conceding Sphene and Calyx were shit too btw
Nothing.It is healing from all the WoW locusts latching onto it and trying to turn it into WoW like they do with every game they infest.
>>733788485>she
>>733788883>It is healing from all the WoW locusts latching onto it and trying to turn it into WoWOh shit Yoshi-P is leaving?
>>733788567i wouldn't be caught dead posting anything like thisnot even to pwn the xivvies
>>733788932Pablo shut up, we like real women around here. Women with musclegut and armpit hair and sexy baritone voice and manly fart stink. It's time to grow the fuck up and stop lusting over boring waifus like Ryne.
>>733788890Is that real?
>>733788926Nope try again
>>733788382This guy used to be a notorious cheater in Feast and was one of the very few people to ever get a perm ban and lose all his Feast stuff lol.Now he wintrades ranked CC, hopefully he loses this account too.
>>733788995>it was a projecting lolifag still mad about something from however long agodistressingly common
>>733788817NTA but, oh god, Calyx is so fucking trash.He's the "I'm 50 steps ahead of you, kid!" type of enemy, and he NEVER WON EVEN ONCE. The guy who likes to remind you he's smart btw.It felt like they shoved this fujoshi bait on screen, at the last moment after seeing DT's massive failure.
>>733789027Then what are you talking about?
>>733789128The other WoWfag infiltration that isn't a wedge to cry about Yoshida because I'm addicted to auteur theory
>>733789125I am pretty sure it's the point of his character that he's a fedora tipper who can't outsmart a vaguely sentient pile of Player Character muscle
>>733789176>directors don't directLovely lovely WoWfag cope.
>>733762084the brown people ruining the earth are somehow also ruining every virtual world toogod this century sucks
>>733789287>actually you are the WoWfag!!!
>>733788716There was literally 4 day free login less than 30 days ago anon.
>>733789242I don't think so. They'd make the characters explicitly retarded if they needed that. Like pic related (a better villain than Calyx, probably)
>>733789435He is on the full cope rotation and pulling out the normal bag of tricks that he does in every thread he sees. Report and ignore to be desu with you family
my uncle works at blizzard and he said the only reason they decided to do housing is because sub count dropped below 1m
>>733789518It's WoW doing as WoW usually does and copying stuff from any other MMO that's gained a morsel of popularity, but I do think the attention in trying to one-up FFXIV's housing system on top of the Microsoft ownership and other lots of bad shit happening to Blizzard in recent years has something to do with it
>This thread.TL;DR?
>>733789467>a better villain than Calyx, probablyNot probably, definitely. This guy was an evil riot, miss him. Calyx's main flaw is that he is boring.
>>733789467How else am I really supposed to interpret Calyx not being able to best you with the entirety of Solution Nine's lightning concentrated to one blast and not being able to best you with a primal specifically made to counter you, he can't tip his fedora out of this one
>>733789586the wow vs xiv 'debate' ended rather quickly as the shills left to make other threads. xiv shitposting for awhile till the lala appeared and ruined the shitposting and forced the conversation to the game itself
>>733789367>i'm not a WoWnigger i just love that the blizzdrone director copied WoW!LOL
>>733789756If at seconds you don't succeed, keep doing it until they get bored and stop replying, then claim victory
>>733789730Can we pivot to posting wow chicks?
>>733789668you get saved by speen's speech to the people, that's even worse because that's something he didn't take account of in his gigamastermind's plan
>>733789986there's already a thread up for that
>>733789992I'd file that under him being a moron still even if it's so horribly plot convenient it made my eyes roll back into my head. Foster cult-like devotion to Sphene for Queen Eternal's sake, leave Sphene herself alive, get mad when Sphene making a speech snaps everyone out of it
>>733761705Pandered to troons and women unironically
>>733789586Trannies and faggots ruin everything
how much do you think blizzard pays 4chan to allow these constant shilling generals?
>>733790221Nothing, actual Blizzard shilling died off after WE'RE GOING HOME BROS
>>733761705Developer Complacency.
>>733787672years of playing slop has addled their brain to the point they can't play actual videogames anymorecompletely unironic, btw. i legit have a retarded friend who would rather jump from MMOslop to MMOslop to private server MMOslop than play any other shit
>>733790279Everything is burning.
>>733781734Purely mental ill of faggots needing someone to go after because they have pointless lives. Anyone with brain would just ignore a game if they don’t like it.
>>733790056Where?
>>733789730Should I play FFXIV if I enjoy a few hours per month of WoW?
>>733790573you shouldn't play either
>>733785951Quantam already flopped.PT itself did alright but no one bothered with that shit.
>>733787401Real women love to dress like that
Hildikino soon. Sexy nashu soon.
Mentally ill women demanding everything be made easier, also they had drag queens playing the game on stream
>>733761705>quitting DT to play retail WoWNow if you said Classic or something sure but god have some self-respect.
>>733790839Isn't that Capcom?
>>733783761When I look at the chart I see a bunch of people excited after Endwalker getting let down.8.0 will have a bump, of course it will, but it'll likely be stormblood levels from here on out.
>>733789586Samefagging, retards fighting with other retards, and same shitpost that always happens in non 1/2 day FFXIV patches. You think they would get tired of posting the same shit for 5+ years at this point
>>733790891>it'll likely be stormblood levels from here on outI pray thats the case
8.0 is still over a year away.7.5 for a full year.lol, lmao even.
>>733763212>most jobs have double weavesfor the people who don't understand overcomplicating language this is pushing the only lit up button available while the rest aren't.
WoW laps 14 hard. Comparing the two is pointless at this point.
>>733761705Three years of shit story in the "story good" mmo.
>>733790573You'll probably get a kick out of its much more definite story structure and your player character's involvement in that story (overstated and understated at the same time; it makes sense in hindsight)It doesn't handle as well as WoW but has stronger visual design
>>733790573GW2 prob better for you but honestly just don't play mmorpgs at all if it's a few hours a month.
>>733790856>giving money to pozzard to play a game their nu-developers can't replicateretarded cultist
>>733791630"official pservers" make me incredibly leery as a concept
>>733789586wow wonxivvies trying to coopt it and have their general so the janny doesn't nuke it
>>733789586Wowfags mad their game was killed by ffxiv
>>733790891>a bunch of people excited after Endwalker getting let downthose were players that started during the end of shb, the same who overplayed their hands with plugins, wanted to change the game to be more like wow, wanted m+ and a bunch of shit that made cbu3 spread too thini hope they never come back
WoW = sex havers14 = chomos
>>733791975Yeah it reads to me too like a bunch of ShB starters and EW starters that got their fill and then leftEW really did not help retention, I spent most of that expansion grinding relic weapons for ARR, HW and SB just because it was a nothingburger otherwise
>>733792312Ishgard Housing floppedIsland Sanctuary floppedCriterion/Variant FloppedEureka Orthos floppedBLU update floppedi think the only thing people liked from endwalker was adventurer plates.
>>733792443C/V I don't think flopped but it also doesn't last longer than its patch
Ff14 was hard carried by its story. The rest of the systems are mediocre. Nobody cares about wow story, the core game is still solid
>>733792570the 2nd criterion were dead in pf the day they launched.3rd one lasted about a month due to the weapons.
>>733789586OSRS not being mentioned at all while overtaking ff14 for the second most popular mmo.
Play Project Gorgon, a real MMO
How do you do fellow Town Dwellers?
runescape
>>733793101How many are bots?
>>733793101man i get playing runescape back in the day but i watched buddies doing an ironman some and I wanted to blow my brains out. what's next competitive neopets?
>>733793101I tried Osrs, and although I loved the aesthetic the game play is nonexistent!
Its a lot of issues compounding on top of another. I had a feeling something was wrong the moment i noticed people here were praising YoshiP like some sort of god who could do no wrong.Anyway if i had to point out one thing it's the ever increasing lull in content drops.
>>733793834K-KUSOOOOOOO
>>733761705A troon infestation. Not to mention that getting through the MSQ is such a fucking boring slog. There’s barely any gameplay at all
Monsters and Memories is probably the last hope for a new MMO to actually succeed and have a sizable playerbase.
WoW has always been the king MMORPG. 14 had an opportunity with the fumble that was Shadowlands but managed to fumble even harder. Now that layered cosmetics are standard and housing is in WoW, 14 has nothing going for it besides music. I can just list to the OST and play WoW.
>>733761705Troontrail killed the game's story, which was its only good point.WoW has been dogshit since Legion ended, but its 40 year olds are too invested so it will never die.
>>733761705FFXIV always sucked. WoW streamers just pretended to like it during Shadowlands to scare the WoW devs into finally fixing their game.
>>733794218Did they fix the game
>>733790573I mean the free portion of the game would probably take you like 50+ hours to clear with just the main story if not likely far more.ARR is a bit lame gameplay wise but it improves with HW and then improves massively with SB. If you hate level 70 content then you'll hate the rest of the game so no need to buy it after that.Hell, ShB might become F2P before you finish, then you'll know for sure whether it's not for you.
>>733793834every threadevery daywe own you
>>733794123>layered cosmeticsWhat like you can wear plate over dresses?
YoshiP ruined FF XIV by killing the good looking girls in the main story
>>733794682no like blizz actually making all new armor look decent instead of painted on.
>>733794850Oh my god, they're making actual 3D modeled armor sets?
>>733794421yeah raiding has been peak since dflight.
>>733761705Let me guess, grifter channel that came crawling back after 7.4? Go on OP show the channel name.
why is wow being shilled so hard?There are 3 threads besides this one on this board
>>733795109>why are people talking about one of the most popular games in the worldIt’s a mystery
>>733795109Midnight early release tomorrow. Full next week.Buckle up, buddy.
>>733795109new head of microsoft gaming is a jeeti'll let you figure out the rest
Decisive OSRS victory
>>733795240What year do you think it is?
Can we abandon the stupid shit in the game people barely engage with?We don't need more Bardings for the chicken we use for...solo fate grinding. Lil niggah already has a full coloring system and like 100+ bardings by now.Housing doesn't need more shit since most people can't even get one and there's already 1 million things to stuff into a house or apartment as is.Treasure dungeons either need to be dropped or revamped because the only time that shit is active is the first week of people trying to luckerdog sell glamour shit for a bundle or when the moogle maps appear and people can actually get into the damn dungeon in the first place with guaranteed portals. Fucks sake if it's going to be abysmal to get into the dungeon at least let me hold like 30 god damn maps instead of 3.If we're eternally going to only lean into MSQ (so dungeons, cutscenes, ect) and Raids then drop some of the fat of the game and lean into a third that is Adventure Forays so XIV isn't exclusively known as the "Story and Raiders only game".Bozja with Eureka patch cadence would at least make the people who don't raid have a reason to resub or partly stay subbed. Something that everyone can do and generally wants to do, from the poopsockers to the normies.Frankly raids in their current form already are part of the "barely engage with" content, so maybe trying to improve that to bring more people in to play them would help because Savage ain't bringing anyone back to play. It's a complete fuckfest.
>>733795498It is one of the most popular games in the world, no matter how much you dislike it.
>Monetization / a la carte stuff to buy exclusively is the big problem. I played wow from near launch of vanilla to the end of Legion. They did fuck up by adding individual cosmetics to buy that were not charity-related (and infrequent). However, when I look at the ones on the Blizzard Store, I remember the vast majority of the mounts and pets; its clear they aren't adding a fuckload of new ones - or at least weren't until the more recent time limited things . Also, all holidays in game would let you pick up old holiday widgets when they came around again. FFXIV however, fucked up both of these. Much more, and more frequent releases of new cosmetics exclusive to the Mog Station. New $22 outfits all the fucking time, $40 mounts all kinds of other shit like for housing etc. Holiday items were NOT available next rotation around, no you had one chance to get them when they showed up that year, after that it was pay per fucking item from Mog Shoppe. Don't even get me started on the emotes or pets that only come with a $350 statue or out of print book! Therea are other issues with FFXIV like >needlessly grindy and cumbersome old Relic Weapons and other contentIt was one thing when these were best in slot, but with so many tiers, individual per Job etc.. ti would have been better to optimize some of these things,like ARR etc.. so that you could get components for them by playing expanded groups of content, alternate paths from later expansion etc. I know there will be some who will say the grind is the point, but its no longer a decade ago or more and limited to ARR levels of content, nor are the weapons (or otherwise in some other cases, armor, titles etc) used for anything except aesthetics. I think having years and years of the oooh ahhhh best in slot during that expansion or whatever is enough. There are other aspects of the game where things have been made less tedious for similar reasons and expanding this would help.
>>733795592> so XIV isn't exclusively known as the "Story and Raiders only game".Well it is also known as the tranny game.
>>733790279kinda cool how a shitty dragon in one shard is much cooler in another shard
>>733761705>What went wrong with ffxiv?It's too predictable in it's content delivery, too boring, too stale. It doesn't experiment anymore, it's MSQ is complete dogwater, just look at what they thought was a great idea for an entire expansion. In short, FFXIV stopped being an MMO and instead turned into a lobby waiting simulator for a tacked on single boss, single fight instanced 8 man raid.
Can we get a normal thread to doompost in instead of a marketing thread by Microsoft AI jeetbots? Thanks guys.
>>733795821Let's put this tranny shit to rest, XIV has a population of players that are mentally ill, WoW has it too but also mentally ill developers as well.Both suck because of it, both are worse off because of it, and it will continue to be a problem for the foreseeable future until they disappear.
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>>733796076You’re correct about WoW players being mentally ill, but not in the same way as FFXIV troons.
>>733796047I think we should all just try to get gamer girlfriends from FF14 even if they have cocks.
Endwalker is the George Floyd lf ffxivIt needed to breathe
>WoW is gay and lame as fuck, being completely captured by modern day western ideology to a point it's now ashamed of it's own name>FFXIV is less gay but still a victim of it's playerbase and recent allowances of Western localizers>WoW is highly neutered by it's nature of being gay and pandering to wokies with stronk but unattractive female characters>XIV is mostly controlled by fujos and lolicons so attractive female characters are all quickly written out of the storyNeither are really for us. We'll see if XIV can course-correct with 8.0 since they have to be feeling a tremendous amount of pressure. Wow is already cooked on that front.
>>733761705Watching FF and Wow fags bicker here everyday reminds me of the chimp fights dota and lol retards haveRoom temperature IQ threads, human trash just taking up space
>>733796181My apologies, is your argument that the troons in WoW are somehow different from the troons in other games? They're both mentally ill. There is no discussion, they're insane.Insane in the real world, insane on TV, insane in vidya, insane anywhere.
>>733796250It's too late for 14 too. They let mods and the degenerate shit get way out of hand. There's no coming back from how low that game has sunk. They'd have to completely 180 their stance on mods and start banning people, which they cannot possibly do
>>733796250>XIV is mostly controlled by fujos and lolicons so attractive female characters are all quickly written out of the storyMeat Speen is joining the party and we're picking up Ryne for 8.0.
>>733796181>>733796383>the best marketing wowbucks can do is "our troons are based compared to any other game's troons"
>>733796383No I’m just saying there are more troons inFFXiV
Only 2 things are good about FFXIV.Story and Visual/Audio presentation (for the most part) and boss fights and harder endgame content.At lest in FF you can just do any random Extreme/Savage whit friends for fun even if its old content as the game scales you down so you cant steamroll it.Everything else is casual baby shit or tedious padding.I have not played WOW but i did play GW2. GW2 has amazing open world and just general moment to moment game-play when you just want to explore and do random content in the games world.
>>733796514Being anti AI is trooncoded
>>733796452You're funny. We'll get a team of the twins, Krile and some new fuqboi and you know it. Y'shtola may tag along for 1/16th of the MSQ and that'll be the best we'll likely get.
>>733795592>>73379582114 has never and will never be a game for raiders lol.
Did Pyromancer go back to WoW?His meltie during Shadowlands was so funny
>>733763123even the easiest slowest job in the game (summoner) has a GCD of 2.48 and requires weaving stuff between each GCD.
>>733763383in FFXIV, grey parsing vipers outdamage blue parsing DPS that aren't monk or samurai.
>>733796732I wouldn’t know, I tried playing it but the MSQ was too fucking boring to get through.
>>733796732How? The game is entirely known for story and raiding. You have entire patches dedicated almost exclusively to raiding and mini patches that add more difficult raids.It gets new music, new arenas, new fights / mechanics, boss models and other shenanigans just for savages alone.The near entirety of EW's side content was raids, the majority of DT's was raids with a small stopover in Occult Crescent that ended with a savage tier raid damn near no one runs with Forked Tower.The fuck you mean it's not a raider game? I haven't even included ultimates, that's just extra ammunition if I need it.
>>733796892Aren’t dps meters banned because they make troon shitters feel bad lol
XIV is so shit
>>733796732Raiding gets 90% of the devs' focus and it has a stranglehold on job design. The entire rest of the game is boring because muh savage balance.
>>733796979Bots and marketers have not played the gameAnyone who actually knows anything knows that the primary content released this expansion has all been raid or raid adjacent content
>>733796979Nobody knows it for it's raiding.It has floating room scripted dances over in a few minutes. WoW's raiding scene is colossal to it.
>>733796916Base game MSQ is the most tedious shit.And even the best expansions can have a bunch of pointless padding.But overall it might the the best FF Story after you get past ARR.You can pretty much speed read the base game Story and you wont miss much.
>>733790573All modern MMOs are casual / solo player friendly, but I feel like ESO and GW2 would be more up your alley than WoW and FFXIV if you play solo
>>733797005I just want an MMO to remember it's meant to be an MMO and make the game to be that.When I think what FF14 turned into, it's just not that. It's a single player story game with multiplayer elements tacked on. ARR felt like an actual MMO where you could do a bunch of shit in the Open World with other people randomly, not locked behind a Discord, an Instance or some other bullshit.
>>733762084It makes me sick seeing the greatness that was FF12 get a follow up from this slop
>>733796990everyone uses them. Just check FFlogs.Look at this M11S clear:https://www.fflogs.com/reports/dpjwcxLByX8WaDA3?fight=31&type=damage-doneI'm the viper, 5,800 DPS more than the monk and I get a 24 grey parse, he gets a 50 blue.Why? Because more people play viper and parse higher.
>>733797158>WoW's raiding scene is colossal to it.Holy ESL!
>>733796990Yes, but you basically have to use them to clear the hard content. 14 is retard design through and through.
>>733796990In real content (savage & ultimate) literally everyone uses ACT despite the restriction. You just keep quiet about it in braindead content to not trigger the shitters
>>733797341I know you are.
>>733796990wowfugees needs them to be able to play the game
>>733797341You make that jak yourself sharty? he won btw
FF14 was killed by a furry.
The nation of garlemald was a congregation of simpletons.
WoW: no main story tranny14: story revolves around a tranny
>>733797907What disparate shithole do you hale from? GPT bots are nearly good enough to do this automatically, I'm surprised they still have you thirdies do this instead of the bots.How long until they replace you?>>733797946Chuds always win. Thank you for cheering the chud on.
>>733798005>Jobs to the most annoying character in the entire game.>>733798060I don't think MMOs should really have stories or if they have they should be in the background.I say this even though I love Heavensward and Shadowbringers, but in retrospect they could have made those stories into a single player game.Look at FF11, it's so much more of an MMO than 14, it's still somehow plodding along and people are now finding that game more than 14, because 14 just isn't set up where you can play forever.
>>733798209Tranny
>>733798137>hale
>>733798209>I don't think MMOs should really have stories or if they have they should be in the background.>Look at FF11, it's so much more of an MMO than 14You're right that FFXI is better, but FFXI also has an incredible and very lengthy story that is as required as XIV's to engage in endgame content. The difference between them is that XI's story will mostly just be a cutscene with important info and a hint to where you should go next, and you can potentially go days or weeks doing other shit and exploring and still progressing before you even discover where you need to go. A lot of it involves lengthy dungeon crawling segments or traveling. So you don't feel locked into a 40 hour string of cutscenes like XIV's.
>>733798323>SAAAAAR YOU MAKE MINOR MISTAKE SAAAAAR YOU ARE ME SAAAAARThat's it, I'm putting you in front of the cannon.
Free DT msq skip please
>>733797242look at the rdps retard
>>733761705>xiv expansion comes out >"5 reasons I'm quitting wow for xiv">wow expansion comes out>"5 reasons I'm quitting xiv for wow"
>>733761705interesting
>>733798137SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARDO THE YOSHIDAFUL
>>733766189I did this, then leveled my crafting/gathering jobs for a while and filled my entire fishing log (the "big fish" title is one of my vidya achievements I am the most proud of and I enjoyed that journey just as much as the MSQ). Some of the most fun I have had in a game in over a decade, but I don't have the slightest intention of ever coming back
>>733800179>447 views for the Beauty That FFXIV Still HoldsDead game.
>tfw 100%ed F2P XIVFew more months for ShB...
>>733801265The meta is negative clickbait. Been like that for a while now.
>>733800179>skyrim video>"Back in the day..."
>>733800179well, he's right to ask
>>733801265>>733801363It's not even just XIV. Even normalfag content about IRL pops off if it's about negativity and whining.
>>733794876it only took twenty years, several artstyle refreshes, and getting utterly mogged in gear by a competitor for a straight decade
>>733795086
>>733761705>new wow xpac>e-beggar needs to keep up grifter engagement>make "x reasons i quit x for x">new ffxiv expansion>vice versa now to continue engagement for thatY A W N
wow>better gameplay>better graphics>better housingffxiv>tranny main character
>>733801903but your PC is ffxiv's main character.......... ohhhh i see what you're saying now. we're here for you anon
>>733801903FFXIV hasn't even named it's next expansion, I mean fuck it's one week after 7.45 was supposed to release and it's still radio silence from the devs.What the fuck are they even doing, do they want this game to fail?
>>733802253Its always revealed at Fanfest, which is in April this year
>>733799164>rdpscomparing rDPS on monk to viper is incredible uneven because monk has a party-wide DPS buff, viper is a selfish DPS that contributes nothing but raw damage. Monk will always win in rDPS.You also need to look at the number of parses for the fight and the class.Monks have about 6000 parses in a 2 week period. Vipers have 9000 parses.More parses = wider distribution, so even higher raw DPS means you parse low.There's also the fact that I literally have only unupgraded tomestone gear with the exception of the weapon (I have upgraded tomestone weapon) because I cannot win a loot roll to save my life and I did not have enough books for the pants yet.
>>7338015472011 was 15 years ago, unc
>>733802581Exactly, so fucking predictable. Nothing about this game anymore is exciting or unexpected. You all know exactly what's going to happen long before it's announced.I hate it. I hate what this game became.
New job expectations? Juggler rphys with throwing cards similar to trickster in FFTA2?
>>733803958Juggler/jester would be neat if it was rng objects like old AST and choosing which objects to throw at any point kinda like MNK. Unfortunately, that's too much player agency for XIV so it would be a one-button job like SMN and VPR
>>733763123I hated that shit while leveling. My friend told me it got better but it still felt awful playing around.
>>733787672I struggle to meet people, and these games are easy outs.
>>733804137if it was pure random and you could get long streaks of the worst object it wouldn't be fun to play similar to old AST pulling bole and spire over and over or something. Failing a damage check because your Rphys had bad RNG is just bad game design.Random is fine depending on how you use it. Dancer and Red Mage have some degree of randomness but not large enough to significantly impact their output
>>733802253>>733803904>ugh what are they doing where is it>ugh what are they doing i know exactly when it's comingmy harvest is too bountiful, my fruit is too fresh. who the fuck thought of this
>>733790573 here, does FF have battlegrounds, like CTF and stuff?
>>733804969Also, is it easy to get geared for PvP? Do I have to do PvE content?Does it have low level PvP?
>>733805050>>733804969It has large-scale and 5v5 PvP that's primarily designed around having and getting nailed by lots of crowd-control and disablesPvP is the same for all levels, don't remember what level you can get Wolf's Den access at but that's all you needGear doesn't matter for PvP, all jobs behave completely differently from one another
>>733805050There is no gear requirements (this went away early on). Just be on a Job (not class), so minimum is level 30. It uses its own Hotbar for abilities.
sb is dogshit.
>>733805391>>733805802Does it have as good of class fantasy as WoW? Invis rogue, CC mage, pet hunter ...?
>>733806561>saaar I am the pokings questions saaar I no want to play saars>please sub the wows very good bitch lasagna bobs vagene
>>733806561Each PvP job's class fantasy is pretty good I'd say, jobs are "samey" in PvP because they're balanced around and made to fight mobs and bosses. PvP designs them to fight each other and they're allowed to shine
People don't like hearing it, but wow is leaps and bounds better in *gameplay* than ffxiv.
>>733766976This. The only reason i quit wow is cause it went full faggot in shadowlands. Never go full faggot. I was fine with some representation but i really draw the line at troons.
>>733806937Bring back the pedos they made better games than the current pedos.
>>733806804average wow staffer.mp4>>733806984ehhhhhhhhhhh
>>733806804how did he get away with this?
you should queue for E7n or E8n on crystal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNk5EdT5Ljohow does WoW even compete?
>>733765636Was the main reason I quit. Game doesn't do enough to warrant a sub fee ON TOP of expansion pack fee.
>>733807983We love Nicki Minaj here on XI/v/.
>>733807983https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1waVSu4adDM
>>733804676Bole was useful, Spire was always RR fodder, but that's also the point. They weren't truly dead draws, if they didnt fit the situation they just got shoved to RR.
>>733761705It needs to reject woke propaganda
>>733761705>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXvToh3lYwY
I don't know anything about FFXIV, but everything they added to Monster Hunter is lame or embarrassing.
>>733808528>>733765636Supposedly they are addressing this in 8.0. Total overhaul of combat and raid gear acquisition.If it sucks I'll quit for good because I'm sick of the old system too
>>733810470https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kye324j2vEc
>>733810118You'd always rather have balance, which was my pointEven if they were somewhat close in output there'd still be one that's mathematically the best and if you don't get it your parse is bricked
>>733810557>Everything they added to Monster Hunter fit in perfectly with the rest of the gameSo what's the problem?
>>733810661>gear acqusition ends up just becoming a generic token for all parts across all content instead of Raid Leg token, Raid Feet token, Raid Accessory token, etcIt's an old MMO, they're going to take the path of least resistance to implement.
>>733810792>muh parsedilate
>>733801903WoW housing is not better. There are many reasons why but you aren't interested in actually discussing them. Every WoW house has a very samey look plus the aesthetics of the game don't really work.There's also a lot of limitations showing themselves as more people get access to it.Housing is popular in FFXIV because you can express yourself via your character in a lot of ways. That's not really a thing in WoW.
>>733761705I play MMOs because I want to go on fantasy adventures in a make believe world so I can escape this boring reality.In FFXIV I get people ERPing while dressing like its a modern day nightclub.In WOW I get preached to about modern politics.
>>733803904>me lording over the scrubs wearing the level 1 PvP sets in my Aug Law's OrderI didn't need level 1 universal gear. I didn't even need the universal glamour shit they put in.
>>733803904Glad I quit the game early on in Endwalker, when they kept adding all of the "modern day" equipment and Mogstation shit.
>>733788096>Job design is too homogenized.The fuck did they change since Shadowbringers? Every class was already as homogenized as it could get there outside of the shield vs. pure healer split.
Reject modernity.
>>733761705It's sad, some of these new dawntrail areas look really good, not exactly ARR-tier, but closer to it than every other previous expansion.However the whole story surrounding it is just absolute dogshit so it's hard to care for these areas especially when I'm just skipping most of it now because I've already had enough of the DEI she-hulk.t. just unlocked yak t'el
I quit wow because dragonkin. Final fantasy is full of weeb pedos and furries. Enjoy destroying your lives fags
The problem with FFXIV is that it's better than WoW, and that makes wowtrannies seethe.
>>733811745Call me whenever they announce XI's next proper expansion. Adoulin turns 13 in two weeks.
>>733811745>artifact armorbehold, the essence of fashion mastery
>>733812313Cute, but where are the giant tits??
>>73381239650 bust slider
I want to go back
>>733812720I fucking don't
What did they mean why this??
>>733809085same for scream being evanescenceas in it's good and dumping on it for being good is lolworthy
>>733810557I'm guessing Behemoth and Omega both being unholy hard and annoying if you didn't play along with the pseudo-MMO light party filtered you
>>733811734Nothing really changed in that regard, which is the real problem. Stagnation>>733811745I kinda hate most of FFXI's artifact armors
>>733811745>that lalafell in the topLiterally just straight up SCH, like multiple SCH job armor sets.
what do you see here?
>>733813805Same for Paladin up top, first FFXIV Paladin artifact is a fairly straightforward translation of that setOr Warrior down at the bottom, Stormblood's artifact references it
>>733813660Nothing hard about them, but annoying and boring, yes. Jesus Christ, now every endgame monster has a mechanic to hide from a nuke. What a cancerous game.
>>733812720The only thing I miss about 1.0 was that a bunch of the classes were more interesting like THM
>>733812720I would go back to XIV1.0 if they added a little more client-side trust like ARR did, so that interaction menus and static NPCs are client-side. Would make inventory management and vendors far less tedious. Also seeing players faster since the server doesn't need to preload & prioritize the display of 30 some NPCs in the area before anything else.
>>733811142>WoW housing is not better.cope
>>733813746I don't, FFXI's artifict and relic sets are the best most of these jobs have ever looked. Its quintessential final fantasy and I love it.
>>733813805Almost like it is Scholar.....
>>733811745we mvst retvrn to trad bros............
>bored with both XI & XIV>currently just waiting on XIM to get an update
>>733815202>desire to go back increasing
>>733783882My mom knows I'm not a shadowbab.
>>733815291XIM was the most fun I've had with an RPG in years. I want that as a full game, I'd buy it on steam day fucking one.Give me more roguelite elements, give me more jobs, give me some more deckbuilder like stuff where it drops random spells and abilities and powerful items I'd play that pretty much non-stop. Inject it directly into my fucking veins man. That combat system + roguelite stuff is everything I want from games. Starting a run feels so good, its linear but it has that glimmer of what could be that's utterly tantalizing to me. There's a huge gulf between what's there and what it'd need to be the next slay the spire but I can see it.
>ximlmao, i'm not googling that. if you want to shill a literal who game, don't use acronyms
>>733815750https://xim.pages.dev/?mode=game
>>733815750its a roguelike game made in the ffxi engine.i was the first one to post about it :)
>>733815825>>>733815859>ffxi without the story that hard carries iti'm good
WoW wonned.
>>733816073>ignoring the latest luckybancho which shows a 15% increase in the population
>>733815750That's the name of the game, retard.>>733815962>demand link>get link>complain
>>733816226Oh is luckybancho trustworthy again?
>>733816293>>demand link[citation needed]
>>733815962Its okay man, nothing will ever make you happy.
>>733816345I'm sure it won't be anymore since it show the population growing again.
>>733816376>nothing will ever make you happy.actual XI does
>>733816382But everyone said it wasn't trustworthy for the past two years.
>>733761705FFXIV hard became Second Life 2.0. The content was dogshit, DT was a train wreck. Devs continue the "We know we messed up and will make changes." Then release the same dogshit predictable slop imagineable. Cash shop items took over and are releasing like every 2 weeks. /xivg/ is full of 40+ uncs acting like they are in highschool with their catgirl. Community straight up talks about nothing but sex. No reason to ever leave a city. I used to be an XIV fag, cleared TEA, DSR. But tried WoW past 2 months and fucking hell it's much more fun.
we need a new hit mmo, it's overdue
>>733816226>headcanon numbers
Fire kate fir hiroi.
>>733816505>in a world with Roblox dominatingI don't think we're getting a new em em oh anytime soon
>>733816585Done and done. Next request?
>>733816491The most bizarre shit is blizzfags pretending like they are by far the biggest gooner retards in the entire industry, it’s pure projection
>>733816878Okay zivvie.
>>733816878>wowers before housing>blabla zivvies dollhouse 2nd life blabla>wowers after housing>OMG OUR HOUSING BETTER WE WONit's like that retard unironically posting>IT'S OUR YOSHIP!!!when mike ybarra was apointed president of the company. so fucking cringe
>>733816878Arent*
>>733816878Weird, I've never gone into Stormwind on Moon Guard and people are talking about dilating before.
>>733816878I've seen the most racist and vile QoL stuff in WoW.Balmung has that shit too but not at the WoWfags level man, like holy shit they make KKK members blush.
>>733817075Shit I meant QoS
>>733816878This, it’s not even a competition. There is no fanbase more goon brained and pornsick than blizzard retards.
>>733817001>>733816878AHAHAHA found itgood timeshttps://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/356201372/#356205671
>>733762040I was very surprised at how well done WoW housing is. I expected it to be dogshit akin to the WoD garrisons, but it ended up being actually great. Didn't expect blizzard to give the players the freedom to make swastika windmills.
>>733817264It completely mogs XIV's
>>733817264>>733817319is it instanced?
>>733815601I'd like XIM more if more of the game was open zones vs. the first 5hrs being constrained sections of a map.I should finish killing the HELMs at some point, but I haven't been able to figure out half of their gimmicks to even be able to do so.
>>733817360No theres neighbourhoods. Public and Guild.Similar to XIV's housing zones. But you can make your own public/guild one.
>>733817545>neighbourhoodsso wards?
>>733817640YEah pretty much but you can make your own wards. Public, Private or guild.
>>733813805>lalafellit's a tarutaru, you subhuman
>>733817738i'm not gonna act in bad faith, sounds pretty neatthough housing alone isn't enough to resub. the tranny rot is still present in the game files.
Patch 9.1 was the very worst point in WoW history, the game was awful to play, objectively the worst it has ever been; and meanwhile blizzard were having their allegation nightmareAll the while XIV was in what many people call its golden ageAll that put together and WoW STILL was more popular; there simply is no argument to be had - especially now WoW is very much in the best place it has been since Legion and I've never seen XIV players doom more than the last year or so
>>733762084As a life long FF fan but also WoW player who on and off'd for a while, the best game would be a mix of both.25 man raiding needs to fuck off entirely, FF14 having 8 was perfect. WoW had 10 man content capable of doing hardest raid but they removed it lel.M+ in ff14 would be amazing and fit the group of adventurers jrpg vibes of FF perfectly.The longer GCD is just god awful for ff14, having servers in California only is fucking insane as an east coast resident. FF14 has better MMO elements, the gold saucer, housing, story and quests have more thought put into them, NPC characters u actually know and care about. But the end game they always had a "Fuck you" attitude. Yoshi always had his infamous "Play something else :^)" mentality to excuse the laziness of his team. Riddle me this yoshi, the genre known the most for NO LIFING, the genre even japanese people view it as no lifing with anime like Sword art online and log horizon etc, why in the fuck would you go out of your way to NOT CARE about the end game. Dungeons fall off a cliff and are pointless, raids are 4 bosses and that's it.Tbh why the fuck is ff14 so obsessed with autistic Ultimate raids anyway? For such a casual game the only end game it offers are bosses that you pull 400 times on before clearing. If anything ff14 needed to empower its smaller content, M+ equivalent and raids that are more frequent to release and easier to clear. If FF14 had more raids but they had the difficulty of heroic raiding in WoW i think it would have been perfect for its audience.Gear is lazy too, you can just buy the gear and not really care bout upgrading, it's like a 5-10% difference max. Idk there is ZERO reason to play ff14 end game.
>>733818065what the fuck is this post
>>733794876Have done since BFA/shadowlands, generic quest armor is usually the more sprayed on style but end game sets are always pretty unique these days
>>733817535Yeah I agree, I just think the combat system is a lot of fun and XI with those roguelite elements has a ton of potential. What XIM does well in its current form is creating challenging encounters which you have to figure out how to overcome. The boss fights are a ton of fun and since it has like zero punishment for failure you can keep bashing your head against them until you figure them out. The trash mobs and encounters on the way to the bosses could stand to be improved.It feels like a alpha, but I see a lot of potential there. I find it more fun than any other RPG combat system I've played around with, now its a question of can they turn this proof of concept toy into something with more meat on its bones. Maybe stop using XI's assets too while you're at it so you don't get C&D'd.
>>733818478Comparing the two MMO's. I could never understand why FF14 refused to have an end game whereas WoW has too much end game. A middle ground would be the sweet spot.
>>733818658Not really though, most players like one or the other - people who enjoy both are absolutely a minority
>>733818658>I could never understand why FF14 refused to have an end gameBecause the troons seethe if anything takes longer than an hour to complete. The don't want "the grind" but then theres no reason to play the game.
>>733818768By that I mean people who enjoy endgame vs the leveling/ story experience
WoW has some of the ugliest armor I've ever seen in a game.
>>733818658no, why did you say 'riddle me this'thats some fagfaggotry
>>733818768>>733818823But it's a subscription so.. it's antithetical to its design. Even women raid in WoW. Like for real every single raid I did in Season of Discovery had a woman, a very bad player too. The women would pug, they'd be a sole player and just join our guild runs, so my point is even actual women, with profile pics on discord and women voices, Aka NOT a tranny (haha they were trannys joke inc) So if even they are doing this content if its not autistic difficulty why does 14 just say Fuck you, do a frame perfect 400 pull omega ultimate boss once a year or unsub. But why would you sub to 14? to do what? What is there to do end game? Even for casuals what the fuck do they do? I've played every expansion and quit a month after beating the story, I've resubbed for raids and always been like.. that's it?
