>>733767308
I really liked both undertale and deltarune and im first to admit that both of them kinda suck balls. But elden ring is a extension of soulslop cult that bred autism it among its lines for decades, so it will be more than reasonable to expect "everyone is wrong except me" behavior from them

>>733767308
imagine being a grown adult and not know about Autism

>>733767308
If you like souls shit then it's a good game. Tons of gear, over 200 spells and shit so it's not hard to see why they would enjoy it. Open world shit ain't for me though

>>733767525
I not know 'bout autism, you explain it me?

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>>733767308
It's the ultimate video game

>No story
>No fishing/cooking/smithing/building/horse racing
>No minigames
>No player housing
>No procedural content
>No lockpicking
>No stealing
>No dialog choices beyond yes or no
>No interactable objects
It's bare bones.

The simplest explanation tends to be the correct one: It's a good game, and most criticism of the game is either inaccurate or irrelevant to why people enjoy the game.

For example, inaccurate criticism would be:
>Elden Ring is rollslop, there is no reason to do anything but roll everything
Elden Ring actually has the widest variety of defensive options of any FromSoft ARPG, and the reason to use them is that you get different punishes off of different defensive options. Blocking, parrying, spacing, strafing, jumping, sprint jumping, and even low profiling all work against enemies and bosses, from the beginning of the game to the end of the DLC. Yes, Radahn's swords attacks can't be strafed or spaced consistently, but he's still vulnerable to blocking and parrying, and he does have attacks that are designed to be strafed and jumped.
The reason that you'd want to use these rather than rolling everything is because they have different risk:reward ratios. Jumping an attack can be more consistent than rolling it, and it gives you the opportunity to immediately counterattack with a jumping R2, which deals high stance damage. Spacing or strafing an attack can put you in the perfect position to counterattack with a fully charged R2, L2, or strong spell. Parrying is obviously very strong, and blocking is better than ever thanks to guard counters. The stance system ties everything together, because the easiest way to win any fight in Elden Ring is to stance break the enemy. You know which attacks deal no stance damage and are therefore the weakest in the game? R1 and rolling attacks. If you spend the entire game spamming roll and R1, you're not only playing the game wrong by playing it like DS3, you're going to be miserable.

The game teaches you the importance of the stance system from the second you enter Limgrave by forcing you to fight common enemy types that are weak to stance breaking: trolls and land-octopi, both of which are uniquely weak to stance breaks.

>>733768420
I was going to give an example of irrelevant criticism, but >>733768085 was nice enough to provide more and better examples that I could have hoped to, so thanks.

>anti-fun boss design
>retarded lore even by fromsoft standards

Those are my two big complaints about Elden Ring.

>>733768465
>retarded lore even by fromsoft standards
How so

Its an objectively good game

Most "criticisms" are failtrolls trying to convince you gold is shit

You can not like it because personal taste exists, but that doesn't stop it from being a well-made game, oozing with quality and charm

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Any legitimate criticism of Elden Ring will forever be overshadowed by this

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>>733768648
Is this real?
Holy fucking shit
Oh man those trannies must have been livid when Elden Ring turned to be a huge success worldwide, with unanimous reviewers and players praise, instantly became a cult classic, entered pop culture status, sold bazillion, and had a DLC and a spinoff multiplayer game that were both hugely successful as well

>>733768856
I doubt you could even imagine it
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/D9mBhURHiWQW8gEhO527WQ/order/asc/

>>733768648
Now that you mentioned it, Elden Ring actually buck broke Shazamniggers so bad they never showed up again lmao

>>733769043
>Elden Ring actually buck broke Shazamniggers so bad
Even worse than that
I remember that for 6 months straight after ER came out, there were at least 15-20 active ER threads on /v/ at all times
What a fun time it was
They got raped out of existence

>>733767308
>You cannot criticize a single, tiny, minute part of the game-
Why are you making things up in your head ?

>>733768541
Calling it retarded is an inflammatory overstatement, but they really tripled down on making the story as vague, obscure, and spread out as possible. Combine that with a massive open world, and I found it to be almost impenetrable. In previous games I could generally piece together what was going on over a few playthroughs, in this one you have to be a lore autist or watch some faggot youtuber to get it.

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>>733769119
And now there are 4+ Elden Ring seethe threads on /v/ every single day. /v/ has always been bad at telling the difference between
>I don't like this thing
>This thing is SHIT because I don't like it
and there's no worse example than Elden Ring.

>>733768541
NTA but there's no making sense of it, everyone has their own interpretation, the lore is just a collection of head cannons based off of vague item descriptions.

>>733768648
>Throughout the first month after the release of Elden Ring, every single thread was about Elden Ring
I remember that shit. It was the last time that /v/ actively played a game instead of just shitposting about it.

>>733769226
Name one valid criticism of the game then. I guarantee like 20 people will start arguing about how that's a good thing actually and how you're bad a the game if you disagree.

>>733767308
so are you inarticulate or do you have nothing of substance to say in the first place?
cause it doesn't look like you're saying anything

>>733769443
Perhaps, but why is this a bad thing? It's clearly worked well for FromSoft, and Miyazaki has always been honest about his open-ended approach to storytelling.

I don't really find it as impenetrable as most people seem to, but then again I like reading item descriptions and thinking about these things while I play through the game. There are definitely some gray areas in Elden Ring where there's incomplete information, but that's always been the case in FromSoft games and it doesn't really impact my understanding of or appreciation for the story or setting that much. Do I really need a 2 hour schizo video essay explaining why Havel's miracle, great magic barrier, is in Ash Lake? No, because it doesn't interrupt my suspension of disbelief that much, and whatever explanation there it would likely be more convoluted and pointless than simply accepting that it isn't that important.

>>733768420
Devil May Cry, a ps2 game, MOGS on the action combat of Elden Ring.

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>>733769548
Then play DMC2. Most people don't want FromSoft ARPGs to play like character action games.

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>>733768560
the only objective reason i can justify hating this game beyond mere tastes is because it's massive success condemned future action games to be clones of it, thanks to developers and publishers being uncreative lazy fucks
i think seeing less games you like being made due to the "market" and "consumer" wills is a legit reason to be concerned, many genres faded out and got relegated to indies thanks to this
yes, i am referring to stylish action games

>>733768420
i dont like the stance system. it doesnt fit with what i want dark souls games to be
even if you do like it, its worse than sekiros stance system. why cant you see the enemies stagger meter?

>>733769542
I personally think no story makes for a shit story. Saying it's open ended is a cop out. I don't think there's some secret lore book hiding in the fromsoft HQ that fleshes it all out, like what Tolkien did with The Silmarillion. I think all the "lore" is just shit they threw in that they thought sounded cool.
>>733769548
It's not really an action game in the same way DMC is. You gotta enjoy the weird janky combat to like the game. But I really liked Dark Souls.

>>733767308
Souls games in general were designed very explicitely to appeal to retards and make them think they were playing a 'hardcore' game whilst they're literally playing a single button simulator. It's how the series became popular.

The kind of people that think Souls games are good don't actually play videogames. The gameplay in these dog-ass games is was legitimately already extremely outdated by the time Demon's Souls came out, and it hasn't really changed any.
It's not an RPG, it's not an action game, it's extremely underdeveloped in every single element it has. There's 0 reason to play them, again, unless you're one of those retards who wants 'gamer cred' even though the games are piss easy EVEN if you play them with the arbitrary no summons/magic/shields/etc that people like to shill to pretend pressing roll for 200 hours is difficult.

mediocrity + open world + memes = normie magic

>>733769548
why are you comparing a linear character action game with an open world, dungeon crawler arpg game?

Elden mid...worst From game ever...

>>733769681
I think there is actually some sort of comprehensive lore compendium that GRRM wrote. He basically wrote the world's lore on his own, and then FromSoft took that lore and made a narrative out of it. What we see in the game is a small slice of a larger, more comprehensive world. I can't remember the source for this information, but it was an interview with FromSoft, likely Miyazaki himself.

>I think all the "lore" is just shit they threw in that they thought sounded cool
Maybe, but this is the creative process. If you look at the lore of Elden Ring, it's actually relatively cohesive in terms of its influences. Almost all of it is inspired by Mediterranean and Indo-European history and mystic traditions, with some Norse and Welsh influence. It's a very unique setting, and I like it a lot - but that's just my opinion, which has nothing to do with what I'm saying, really.

>>733767308
People with no strong feeling won't go out of the way to say well I have no strong feelings on the matter.

>>733769492
Sending your summon sign to summoning pools only sends it to a maximum of 5 pools, at random.

>>733769702
If you boil a lot of games down to their pure essence they're all just geometry dash, pushing the button at the right time.

But I agree on the whole hardcore part. Unless you intentionally kneecap yourself, it's not much harder than Dark Souls 1.

>>733769832
didnt grrm say they barely used anything he wrote?

>>733768856
So true I believe everything I see on the Internet

>>733769702
The muh Souls is hardcore meme is already outdated since DS3 came out you fucking retard, no regular person plays Elden Ring to earn whatever imaginary gamer cred you hallucinated about, it's just a really well made game in many aspects even if it doesn't excel in any

>>733767308
>Undertale
That's a very shitty game though. Elden Ring has its flaws, but it's a good and fun game.

>>733769871
>Unless you intentionally kneecap yourself, it's not much harder than Dark Souls 1.
Congratulations you win the "most disingenuous post I've read all day" award

fromsoftware games were very popular for a decade
an open world game was the perfect game for the outsiders to jump in
they end up worshipping it even though it's a meme version of the previous games
doing minuscule damage against an mmo health bar is apparently fun because a bland pedantic game is "fun"

>>733768085
>every game must be Ultima Online/Skyrim

>>733769492

The game is nearly perfect in my heart but here are some common debatable criticisms I can think of:
-bad replayability
-overly hard bosses with infinite combos
-copy pasted dungeons
-lot of emptiness overall

>>733769871
>if you boil a lot of games down to their pure essence it's just pushing the right button at the right time

No, not 'a lot of games'. Shit games. Most games have choices, combos, multiple gameplay systems (you literally just kill everything that moves in Souls games), actual story that isn't 10% complete and told entirely in item descriptions, worlds that react to your actions, etc, etc.

Souls games are extremely mediocre in every regard.

>>733767308
I just don't bother anymore with proper discussion. I paid full price for this trash and fully beat the game from start to finish yet I will still get labeled as a shitcord "raider" or "anti-shill" the moment I even remotely criticize the game.
It doesn't fucking matter to these literal cultists, you are either 100% with them or 100% against them, there is no in between.

>>733769871
>Unless you intentionally kneecap yourself, it's not much harder than Dark Souls 1
I really have to disagree, as someone who's currently doing a co-op of playthrough of DS1 at the same time as a playthrough of ER. You can certainly make ER easy, especially if you summon spirit ashes or use meta knowledge to make broken builds by stacking multiplicative modifiers, but it's fundamentally much more difficult than DS1, DS2, or DeS. It's closer to the difficulty level of DS3, BB, or Sekiro, but with a heavier emphasis on RPG mechanics.

I'm saying this despite the fact that my ER build is an ARC/FAI dragon communion build that can basically 3-shot bosses with dragonmaw (if I can actually get it off). But even this is still harder than circlestrafing everything to death in heavy armor.

>>733767580
I like souls games, finished every single one of them and Elden Ring is just not for me. Giant world and obscenely anime sequences of boss combos leaving you waiting to jab them once with a needle and then wait for 20 secs to do it again... previous games with closed polished structure and simpler more straightforward bosses were just more fun for me.

>>733769982
>It doesn't fucking matter to these literal cultists, you are either 100% with them or 100% against them, there is no in between
shit like >>733768648 basically poisoned the well for all discussion of sufficiently popular games. same thing happened with BG3 and E33.

>>733769871
>it's not much harder than Dark Souls 1.
you must not have played dark souls 1 recently lol
i remember dying to capra demon a dozen times on my first playthrough
i did another playthrough after elden ring and was shocked at how capra demon just...attacks you. no feints, gap closers, delayed attacks, just slashes a few times
dark souls is baby mode compared to elden ring

>>733769492
>Name one valid criticism of the game then.
it's literally Dark Souls 2 part 2. everything is a hoard. enemies have no stamina. enemies spam attacks forever. bosses have mmo health bars. you have to avoid 20 move combos before the game allows you to hit once. ai breaks animation to hit you when you heal.

literally a collection of reddit "git gud" memes that wished they were a real boy

>>733770078
The difficulty of Capra Demon comes from his arena, not from Capra Demon himself. That said, some enemies and bosses in DS1 can be difficult purely because it's difficult to get away from them long enough to heal without getting punished. It's sort of like the inverse of Elden Ring:
>in DS1, you need to bait bosses into swinging so you can safely heal, because you're too slow to get away and healing is slow
>in ER, the player character is more mobile and healing is faster, so bosses have gap closers or projectiles designed to punish you for healing without creating an opening to do so

>>733769979
>overly hard bosses with infinite combos
Yeah, that is a big one. They totally shut down certain builds and people that don't summon. But that's the big one that people spaz out about, they say you're just bad if you don't like rolling 10 time per one hit you do.

>copy pasted dungeons
I've actually never heard a good comeback to that, a lot of the dungeons are just skyrim tier.

>lot of emptiness overall
I feel like that's just an issue with open world games, I've never seen an open world game that didn't have that issue.

>>733769918
Elden Ring is literally one of the biggest normie games there is.
You ask some random fucktard what the 'best game ever' is, and most dudes who've played maybe 5 games total in their lives will mostly say Elden Ring.

The game sucks.

The solution to tough bosses is to summon or use the mimic tear. If you're playing solo, you're choosing hard mode. Solo Elden Ring is not for the faint of heart.

>>733770176
>Yeah, that is a big one.
BOSSES IS LITERALLY ALL THE GAME HAS. it feels like a boss rush game with horse filler in between. but normies sure LOOOVE empty open worlds.

>>733770189
you're trying too hard to fit in, newfag

>>733769980
What games do you like that are like that? I need some recommendations.

>>733770090
> Dark Souls 2 part 2
So it's good?
>everything is a hoard.
Enemies are forced to take turns and the crowd control tools available completely outclass anything in previous games.
>enemies have no stamina. enemies spam attacks forever.
But somehow enemies delay their attacks forever as well? If enemies take centuries to swing they aren't spamming attacks.
>bosses have mmo health bars
They don't unless you are only spamming light attacks without bleed. If you are stance breaking you get multiple ripostes big damage every fight. This isn't monster hunter, an RL1 character does not need more than 3 minutes to kill anything.
> you have to avoid 20 move combos before the game allows you to hit once
Would be a valid complaint IF the only thing you can do is roll but you have so many other options
>ai breaks animation to hit you when you heal.
It has long been patched, which is why people who don't play the game spam the same outdated webms over and over.

elden ring is just pure ragebait in game form. it's the perfect streamer/content creator game. but it's so fucking pedantic if you are not a soi millenial. i feel like I was supposed to do my best pewdiepie impression when the 100th boss in this game: killed me with a 10 hit combo delayed attack that did infinite damage he spammed for 5 times in a row.

>>733770369
>zoomcuck unable to git gud
lol @ ur life

well this thread had actuall discussion for about 20 posts and now you can see the baiting discord trannies have shown up in force

>>733770210
I like that godskins, they're fun to fight when it's not two of them.

>>733770340
>It has long been patched,
i literally played the DLC edition.
>So it's good?
oh boy more memes. great job defending the game bro. here's reddit gold.

>>733770268
i've been in this shithole longer than you've probably been alive you retarded tourist

>>733770369
>buzzwords buzzwords buzzwords ecelebs live rentfree in my head
Yeah, whatever man.

>>733770421
>had actuall discussion
ESL
>>733770417
>zoomcuck
reddit gold for you too

>>733769886
>Discordjeet meltie
Uh oh

Fromslop games aren't hard, they're tedious memorization games.

>thread has already devolved into shit tier bait, 80 IQ midwit criticisms of Elden Ring that have been debunked hundreds of times, false flag shitposts, and seething over normalfags and streamers
I'm out, have a good one

>>733770478
>Yeah, whatever man.
spamming insta kill moves and 100 hours of delayed attacks is buzzwords. it's ok to pathologically love the game because you fell for the open world meme.

as i said above, ER was the perfect game for newbies to jump in and experience the hugely popular FromSoftware games.

and they love it so pathologically they sperg out whenever it's gaping huge flaws are brought up. Sorry you were 10 years too late and fell for the reddit meme game.

>>733767308
Over the years from soft cultivated a drone cultist fanboy club of their games with being muh "hard gamer games" while in reality 95% of the game is just leveling up and iframe roll slop. Elden Ring is like GTA for non ball and guns gaymers out there that you cannot criticize.

>>733767308
Get new bait.

>>733767308
Its a bit too difficult thats my criticism.

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>>733770727
>Over the years from soft cultivated a drone cultist fanboy club of their games
you are wrong. old fans think ER is mid. new fans can't even understand the criticism because obviously it stems from comparison with previous games. the old games are enjoyable. ER is just a tedious version of "hard" because dying and raging because a meme.

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>>733770879
>because a meme.
*became

>>733770340
>Enemies are forced to take turns
are you fucking high. elden ring mobs are the exact opposite. they are programmed to hit with all together without pause. it feels like im swatting flies.

>>733769619
I can understand this sentiment. I hate hollow knight because I don't think it's the amazing metroidvania people make it out to be and because it condemned most new metroidvanias to adopt its game design.

>>733769979
>The game is nearly perfect
>proceeds to list four major flaws in his own post
I just cannot take elden ring fags seriously anymore lmao.

>>733771164
it's their first game from this genre and they pathologically love it. they will never admit it.

>please stop liking game
It's been 4 years. This can't be healthy

>>733767308
Because most criticisms I have seen aren't criticizing the game itself. They attack the playerbase or post bait about something and even lie at times. It is like they didn't even play the game they are criticizing. This was especially clear during the DLC release when people were crapping all over it, but couldn't articulate why it was crap.
The game and its DLC have flaws, and I think most people playing it are aware. It is that most of its flaws are easily overlooked because the game has too many good things going for it too. Easy 8.5/10 game for me, very enjoyable.

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>>733771260
>>please stop liking game
reading comprehension. the very point of this thread is how religiously loyal fags are about this game and deflect any criticism

>>733769881
>>733769832
It seems obvious from the quotes I've seen that what GRRM wrote was an initial setting and a bunch of (probably human) characters with some political events surrounding them. GRRM's background lore probably included night of the black knives and similar human backstories. What Fromsoft then did was extrapolate a surreal fantasy world which arose thousands of years into the future using GRRM's characters and events as a backstory

>>733771357
>Because most criticisms I have seen aren't criticizing the game itself.
mobs.
infinite stamina.
delayed attacks.
spam insta kill mega attacks
dodge a 20 hit combo to deliver a single hit.
mmo health bars.
sparsest story in the franchise.

>>733770817
I found it the easiest of all of them except DeS. Every other game I felt like I had to bash my head against the wall but ER 3 deaths without getting the boss to half health I'd just fuck off somewhere else and come back to it later.

>>733770991
You are objectively wrong. This game has been modded to hell and back and you can download mods to experience what it's like with no turn taking.

>>733771586
>You are objectively wrong.
>This game has been modded
lol?

One of the most annoying dogshit things in the game for me were the quest.
>you roam the map and explore the world doing bosses
>randomly hear howling, somehow you have to figure out its a furry npc that will jump down from the chapel tower. If you think its a wolf and ignore it, you lose entire questchain
>some npcs at random get a new dialogue option to progress the quest chain, you have to find out yourself
>no clear objectives, every quest is some cryptic shit that doesn't explain shit
>99% of quest is just talking to NPCs that spawn at random locations each time, you have to guess where they spawn next
>that one fucking ranni questline where you have to speak to her doll form at the ONE SPECIFIC bonfire to progress the quest chain, guess you have to figure it out and if you miss it bad luck lol
>if you take like a month break from the game and return, there is no journal or anything for active quests. Guess you have to memorize 12 active quest chains each one with cryptic messages
In traditional dark souls with linear map design it wasn't an issue as by playing the game you naturally met NPC to progress quest chains, in Elden Ring it's a complete fiesta. There is a reason why each fucking Elden Ring quest chain has millions of views on youtube, it's an abysmally dogshit design.

did elden ring do anything better than the other souls games?

>>733767308
it sold so many copies compared to other Souls games that it birthed an entire new wave of obnoxious fans. I do get it though, I went through the obnoxious Souls fan phase a decade ago.

>>733771496
>hyperboles and outright lies
yeah, that

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>this game suck
>you're retarded
>WHAT'S UP WITH THE RELIGIOUS LEVELS OF DEVOTION PEOPLE HAVE TO THIS GAME? YOU CANNOT CRITICIZE A SINGLE, TINY, MINUTE PART OF THE GAME WITHOUT A TON OF PEOPLE SPAZZING THE FUCK OUT AND ACCUSING YOU OF BEING BAD AT THE GAME. IT'S LIKE WITH RELIGIOUS PEOPLE, YOU CRITICIZE PART OF THE RELIGION AND THEY ACCUSE YOU OF BEGIN A BAD PERSON. IT'S FUCKING INSANE. UNDERTALE HAS THE SAME ISSUE.

I dont like the way co op works.

I think its really lame. Lame and bogus.

>>733771496
You aren't most ER critics I've seen. And the only critical things I see from your list are:
>delayed attacks
(if you mean the bosses, which got super annoying for most of them and also too predictable)
>spam insta kill mega attacks
(this was only true for a few bosses, still a problem)
>dodge a 20 hit combo to deliver a single hit
(also true for only some bosses, still a problem)
>sparsest story in the franchise
(agreed, and would add sometimes needlessly confusing)
I don't understand your other criticisms though. I never had infinite stamina, even when I prioritized stamina for my character. I also have more criticisms like the copy-paste side dungeons, rewards usually feeling lacking, and a drop in story pacing when you get to the mountains.

>>733771496
So you you hate Demon's Souls?

>>733771260
Reminder that after failing to sink the game they tried again for the DLC, and then again for nightreign, failing both times. Those discordtroons are not mentally well.

>>733770090
>you have to avoid 20 move combos before the game allows you to hit once
So you haven't actually played Dark Souls 2 at all?

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>>733771909
>I never had infinite stamina,
i mean the enemies you moron. the enemies literally never stop hitting you especially if they are a mob. mobs in this game is like swatting flies.
>>733771663
>did elden ring do anything better than the other souls games?
eye candy because of open world. but it's a step backwards in everything else.

the usual response to criticism.
>>733771706
>>hyperboles and outright lies
>yeah, that

the fanbase is not religious at all.

>>733769927
I don't see enough shit talk about Undertale on here.

>>733772216
>i mean the enemies you moron
Then you should have clarified that.
And I don't think that is an issue because they do pause between most attacks. The only ones I can think of you are describing are the late game multi armed teleporting guys poison guys who are constantly attacking and teleporting without pause. Those are an anomoly and not representative of the regular enemies you encounter. And the dragons, of which there are way too many of in the game.

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>>733767308
>You cannot criticize
because ER attracted a new audience who were dying to be part of the cool kids and meme everything into oblivion.

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I miss 2022 and the launch of this game, the endless threads with everyone discovering shit memeing

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>>733767308
It's a good game, but the fanbase has absolutely taken it too far. It's not perfect, it has its issues like all the other Souls games, but you really can't criticize it. People like to say that whatever flaw you bring up isn't actually real, but they never admit any flaws themselves.

>>733771164
thats why I precised "in my heart"

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one decent meme from this borefest of a game

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>>733767308
99/100 criticisms arent really valid. There are actual valid criticisms but noob shitters dont typically get far enough in the game to figure them out.
Also there are people who dont like open world because the sense of freedom gives them anxiety. even if the game was 100% perfect they would still bitch about it.

so basically elden ring hate threads just devolve into noob players complaining about how thy suck at the game and actual decent players come in and make fun of them. It has created a somewhat toxic culture though because now you cant even talk about valid criticisms anymore, but again 99% of criticisms you see on /v/ arent valid. ie
>>733770015
>waiting 20 seconds to hit them again
clearly a skill issue. This is a problem for people who roll away from bosses constantly and are waiting for "that one attack" that is easy to punish, meanwhile in reality every single attack sequence a boss does has a punish, you just need pattern recognition to figure it out.
>>733770090
>bosses have mmo health bars
there are plenty of glass cannon bosses that die in a few hits.

>>733767525
You don't need autism to be an easily collared dog. Normalfags can be made to bark for anything and they don't have autism.

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the weakest point of this game is the story. it's literally content creator bait "the tragic story behind Marika's morgoritdanlania step daughter" 45 minutes headcanon lore slop,
but ultimately it's just a family of demigods fighting over the throne. riveting work George. the only good part that was Godwyns death and melina's betrayal was not really up front and center. did i miss anything?

>>733772760
>clearly a skill issue.
HE SAID IT. HE SAID THE MEME. SHOWER HIM WITH AWARDS REDDIT BROS.

>>733767308
Miyazakifags are so obnoxious and annoying. they literally think he's the greatest developer of all time.. Pop quiz, faggot.. There's more than ONE person working on this game. it's just not him!!

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>>733767308
Elden Ring is literally unironically the greatest game ever conceived
>but-but muh criticisms reeee
shut up nigger lmao

>>733772921
mad

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>>733767308
Shut up you whiny faggot. Get Gud

There are plenty of critiques of the game by fans. Which is why fans of the game have spent hours crafting mods to remedy those problems.

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>>733772969
>Miyazakifags are so obnoxious and annoying
Elden is not purely a miyazaki game. it's made in collab with the guy that did DaS2. stanning ER is a sign of a newfag

>>733772998
>mad
guys im out of coins if someone still has awards please give him.

>>733769374
If you read every item you pick up you cannot miss the story

>>733773002
>mods
there's cock sucking and then there's you lol

>>733767308
>>733768085
>>733769729
>>733769801
Look at these subhuman tendieniggers and laugh

>>733770172
Nta but you are not that much slower in DS1, it is just outright an easier game and most of the difficulty on release is from people not really knowing how to build characters/play

what are the fingers again?

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>>733773002
>mods
>messing and changing with Miyazaki sans true vision
>posts shitty fan art on top of it
what a faggot you are.

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>>733773126
to finger but whole lmao

>>733772760
>video
decent bait if u remove the video lmao

>>733773198
what about it is bait? Do you even have the brainpower to make an actual argument or can you only meme?

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>>733767308
What's up with Discord Tendies spamming ER shitposting threads for the past few days?

>>733772003
>Dogshit mechanics in the new game are le okay because the old one was worse!

>>733773086
>I'm too stupid/poor to play with mods

We know anon

>>733772760
this has to be bait considering you proved >>733772562 100% right

>>733773023
>Elden is not purely a miyazaki game.
It most certainly is
>it's made in collab with the guy that did DaS2
Is that why it carries most of the tropes and plot ideas of Dark Souls 3 and none from Dark Souls 2?

>>733771612
>Just add a bunch of mods bro
ERtards genuinely cannot fathom that this doesn't count as playing the actual game

>>733773404
>you proved >>733772562 100% right
I really didnt because i said the game does have flaws just that most of you idiots cant find any valid ones, i even pointed out specific criticisms in this thread and how they werent valid. I even posted a video disproving that one criticism about "mmo health bars" by posting video proof of me killing a boss in like 5-6 hits, i was probably under leveled for that boss if anything because i didnt grind or anything was just going through the games main route on that character.

>>733773404
Not him but not all criticism is equal, if you’re playing a FPS and complain it puts too much emphasis on mouse movement or shi like that you’re just being retarded. And too much of the criticism around the game is an attempt to move the needle rather than to express an opinion hence you see these recycled insubstantial talking points all the time

>>733767308
because you aren't a critic and your opinions are worthless.

The sky is blue

"wtf no its not, sometimes its red or green retard, it's not even blue in optimal conditions"

like yall niggas just want to argue and nitpick everything go fucking play a game you like why do you feel the need to convince other people something is bad.

>>733771663
a few bosses were peak boss design. Crystilians were the best multi enemy boss fromsoft ever designed before the AI rework that ruined them completely. Actual 200 iq multi enemy design ruined by shitters bitching and fromsoft being cowards who kneejerk cave to content creators crying.

>>733769619
that isn't an objective reason.

>>733773437
>It most certainly is
it's a collab between Miyazaki, George Martin and the dark souls 2 director.

>>733773676
>reddit told me that doing minimal damage against mmo health bars is fun

>>733768420
>Elden Ring actually has the widest variety of defensive options of any FromSoft ARPG
The dev's other games being worse about it doesn't excuse this one.

>>733773590
no, he specifically stated that you wont say any of the flaws the game actually has. again, you proved him right. you arent the only one either, a lot of people in this thread are doing it

>>733773604
obviously. but thats not what were talking about here

>>733773771
>that’s not what we’re talking about here
But it is? The entire point of his post was
>the game has flaws but the ones people bring up are forced shitter complaints

>>733773771
its not my job to point out flaws the game has. its not some gotcha to point out im not crying about the game itt

>>733768648
what the fuck did Elden Ring do wrong that they felt the need to do this? at least anti woke threads are very clear in their intent, but as far as I can tell From Software did nothing wrong

>>733769960
With a game as big and long as Elden Ring, you've got to have more gameplay variety and things to do other than just killing things. It doesn't even have a plot.

>>733771663
Graphics/chacter design imo is some of the best. Gameplay variety. Sheer amount of content.
I like to describe it as FromSoft Souls: Greatest Hits put into a blender. Yeah putting a Bloodborne boss into Dark Souls game using Sekiro combat doesn't work out sometimes. However, the moments where it does blend well are really great.

>>733773893
na, the point im trying to talk about is from anons post up above
>People like to say that whatever flaw you bring up isn't actually real, but they never admit any flaws themselves.

>>733773970
so you think the game is flawless, worried to post "actual" criticism because you know how it will turn out, or just shitposting?

>>733774343
>so you think the game is flawless
i literally said the game has flaws. how low IQ are you actually? maybe ask me nicely what i think some of the flaws are, stop trying to bait it out of me like some emotional girlfriend prying for info in an argument.

>>733767308
But you can criticize it. I like the game but criticize it. What you're unhappy about is how you shit on the game endlessly and people don't just meekly apologize for liking something you don't.

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Elden Ring thread?
Post your weaponfu

>>733774242
FromSoft got popular

>>733774507
This

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>>733774437
>I literally said
yeah, but you never said what they were. I dont know why youre getting so upset, all you had to do was just say what you thought they were and i wouldve shut up and left.

>add a crafting system to the game
>it's the most barebones shit imaginable
If I was sentient I'd feel insulted but I'm fromsoft's strongest piggy and I'll give my queen all the subs she could ever ask for oink oink.

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>>733774512
Star-lined sword
>nice one-handed moveset
>DEX scaling makes it perfect for DEX/INT builds with maximum cast speed
>running R2s is good at running down roll spammers
>a bunch of niche combos into / off of L2
Not really worthwhile in PvE because it loses to poise and you'll die for pressing L2, but easily my favorite PvP weapon

>>733774507
Yeah this is a problem I see with criticsm of the game. Its painted as literallty flawless or people wanting to bash on it needlessly to make them feel superior. Most people who played it like it and are have criticsms of their own. No one owes anyone else a breakdown of said criticsms to prove they are in either of those two extreme camps. It usually involves a lot of wasteful arguing when it does happen.
>>733774512
The Milady sword is so good
>tips hat

>>733767501
>decades
You're three years too short for this series to be decades old.

>>733774507
I mean, its mostly just 4chan nature. You can write out a long reason as to why you don't like something and you'll either get ignored or people just boil it down to one sentence and insult you. I've talked about my dislike of the barren open world and was met with seething responses.

>>733774512
That L2 is unusable.

>>733775046
In PVP yeah

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>>733774512
my main since ds1

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>bu-but muh criticisms! why wont accept muh criticisms reeeeeeeeeee!
lmao, anti Fromgawds niggers are beyond mentally ill

>>733775035
>people respond to my thesis statement and supporting points instead of going line by line turning it into an endless autist battle

And let me guess, every time you continuously insist it’s NOT your thesis statement and “they just don’t understand” but refuse to clarify

>>733775235
>I made a 5 paragraph essay with an introduction and a conclusion, but all they did was depict me as a basedjak!!!!

>>733774512
Did anyone here play with the whip, fists, or spear weapons? I thought those would be fun to play with, yet also look intimidating to get good at.

>>733775236
What are you trying to say?

>>733775508
Most people who type a bunch of shit are trying to gish gallop and exhaust you out of the convo, they don’t actually have that much to say

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>>733775338
fists and claws are great.
my last fresh new game run was claws and fists only. you gotta try out the fists martial arts skills added with the expansion.

>>733775338
>Whip
I like the Urumi, it has some unique moves compared to the other whips that give it really good range.
>Fists
Only played Cipher Pata but those are really strong. The Ash is good for poisebreaking and otherwise you can mash R1 to your hearts content because you can pretty much always roll out of the animation.
>Spear
Powerstanced Spears are pretty good.

>>733775597
So in order to talk about it, I have to keep it dumbed down for others? How many sentences is that, then? 3 or 4?

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I am very shit at video games but managed to 100% Silksong. Will ER filter me? Never played a From game before

>>733776041
Anon, normalfags play and beat ER regularly. It filters no one. Not a single fucking soul is getting filtered by soulslop.

>>733776041
It's impossible to get filtered by a fromsoft game unless you're a lobotomized nigger.

>>733776041
No, its the easiest game out of all of them. It's actually harder to keep the game challenging than it is to steamroll through everything.
Just look shit up if you get stuck somehow. Thats what everybody does

>>733776113
>>733776154
>>733776262
Sweet I’ll give it a shot then

>>733774539
>i wouldve shut up and left.
Liar

>>733776425
If you get stuck just walk away. It's not a jrpg.

>>733776262
its the hardest souls game in terms of mechanics if you dont use the summons. not using summons has been the gatekeeper rule since dark souls 1 at the latest.

I don't think there's any point in playing Elden Ring while using summons, you don't actually engage with the boss mechanics

>>733776615
lol
lmao no
summs in older games just increased the difficulty by extending the damage race
summs in this shit have no downsides

>>733776696
depends, spirit ash summons yes but npc/player summons work the same as before

>>733772760
>strength build just rolling around

>>733767308
It's a bloated clusterfuck of lazily thrown together assets.
also >>733768085
combat is jank too

>>733768085
thread should have ended here
elden ring simply isn't an rpg and people that go in expecting to have an rpg experience leave disappointed.

>>733775338
Yes.
>whips
Extremely fun in PvP, but arguably the worst PvE weapon class because they deal pitiful stance damage and do not have access to go PvE ashes of war. I have 3 different whip builds for PvP because they're so fun.
>fists
Good, but their obvious flaw is their range. While they do actually deal decent stance damage and strike is a better damage type than slashing, there are a lot of enemies and bosses that you'll simply end up missing at point blank range. Still very viable.
>spears
Sadly, these really have nothing going for them other than dealing pierce damage and being capable of counterattacking. The moveset doesn't really lend itself to PvE. I like the Partisan, as it's one of the only spears with a slashing attack in its R2.

>>733776041
You'll be fine. Ironically, you're actually better off if you've never played a FromSoft game, as a lot of people end up trying to play ER like Dark Souls and make it a worse experience for themselves as a result.

>>733776696
summoning solair for gargoyles in dark souls 1 made the fight like 10 times easier. Iron tarkus is also great.

Actually i think summons in elden ring are very fun myself. but the game gets way too easy if you use them. Like, i use summons when im trying to beat bosses as a low level without weapon upgrades and its more fun than playing normally at times.

>>733773712
No, it's Miyazaki writing the same tropes and themes he put in Bloodborne, Dark Souls 3 and Elden Ring

>>733776676
The idea is solid but the execution is so so for a long list of reasons.
>Most summons are just too weak to do anything that justifies the FP investments
>Even the best summons are essentially meatshields outside of Tiche which is just a pocket black knife on auto
>The few summons that have an actual interactive gimmick either aren't relevant due to being too weak or simply don't have any chance to actually use it, like Latenna being able to tame enemy wolves except no fucking boss outside of Loretta's ghost in the Carian Manor has wolves within the summoning range
>The vast majority of them outside of NPC summons like Dung Eater have fuck all HP and die incredibly fast
>Bosses still can't deal with aggro swaps so they just do bullshit damage and invalidate most of your summons at a baseline because they can't tank for shit
>NG+ makes them even more useless due to inflated boss stats
It would have been better if you could summon spirit ashes to complete questlines or get some special interactions around the world, which is sort of a thing already with a select couple of them like Latenna or the loli jellyfish, but nowhere as common as it should have been.
The vast majority of spirit ashes do fuckall when it comes to fighting things and are only really useful for the aggro shenanigans, the idea of playing pokemon with enemies is great in theory but they botched it in practice.

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>>733775338
fists are quite viable. You should mostly pick weapons based on how you like their moveset, or if you like their theme. Every weapon has an advantage and a downside. Just about everything in the game can be made viable. Some weapons are harder to make work than others, ie non status effect daggers dont do good damage until endgame unless you are doing criticals.

To give you a better idea, speaking of PvE, the starter longsword can be taken to endgame and if you build around it and upgrade it properly it is like an A+ tier weapon, S+ tier weapons would be something like a secret artifact that does insane damage with a low skill floor so any noob can use it, like some demi god weapons. So like there are some S+ tier weapons hidden around you can find to feel super powerful with but most weapons are between B-A tier and are 'good enough' if you got the right build for them. B tier would be like a decent weapon that gets outclassed by something else by like 10-15% at around level 150.
The few C tier weapons in the game are typically ones that have abnormally low stat requirements and are meant for sorceresses to enchant with magic weapon or something, and could maybe be made B tier if in a very niche build.

>>733771467
>which arose thousands of years into the future
Wait, it's been that long since the Shattering? I thought it was two decades at most.

>>733768420
The only reason you say that all the critique stems from the combat is because you fans fold like a towel when faced with the other criticisms like the length, being unfinished, or having piss-poor balance(if you deny this one you guys aren't even agreeing with Fromsoft anymore due to the constant patching), rules-for-thee-not-for-me, etc.

>>733777490
you can really tell they wanted to make a pokemon clone but they were too afraid of nintendo yeah

>>733767308
You got raped, nintendude.

>Am I out of touch?
>No it's the elden ring fans who are wrong. They should stop having fun.

>>733778021
Length is fine, it's not unfinished, and balance issues are not egregious.

>>733777906
>Some weapons are harder to make work than others, ie non status effect daggers dont do good damage until endgame unless you are doing criticals.
Other than Erdtree Dagger.

>>733776676
They're the game's easy mode. I've tried to make them fun, but they just circumvent the game's mechanics, as you said, so there's no point.

>>733778021
keep in mind fromsoft balance patches are mostly to cater to whiners, this includes PvE and PvP players. Actually 1 terrible thing about fromsoft is they overnerf PvE content to cater to the casual gamer. Its funny because secondaries think souls is some hardcore game or that souls players think of themselves as hardcore gamers but fromsoft nerfs their games PvE into the ground like a week or two after release when the whiners start crying on the internet about how hard they are.

Crystilian boss fight in elden ring?
>Nerfed into the ground and ruined.
Godskin high intensity duelist fight where you need to tactically heal?
>nerfed into the ground and now you can safely heal in its face
Ranged enemies in ER shooting you from far away with good accuracy?
>nerfed and now they have shorter range and dont lead their shots to account for players run spead.
same with armored core, they nerfed balteous so hard you dont even need to use the dodge ability against him anymore and he was considered the big noob filter on launch with everyone talking about how fun and challenging he is.

>>733775338
Knuckles are really, really strong, your only downside is lack of range but it only really applies for the ball moveset, Caestus types have actually pretty great R2s in terms of range and the spiked caestus in particular is a good alternative to the spiked balls.
You do a shitload of damage with them and have an enormous selection of weapons that cover almost any playstyle outside of a dedicated INT option, but any Magic/Frost infused weapon is still great.
Whips are a mixed bag, they're okay-ish if you play ARC/DEX but sorta bad outside of that niche, they do pretty much no stance damage either so most of the time you'll be playing around occult Thorn/Hoslow's or Keen Urumi, Giant's red Braid is okay-ish for STR/FTH and Candlestick is situationally great, the ash of war can do a shitload of damage to large bosses provided they do not resist fire.
Spears got nerfed a lot due to being too good but they're still plenty good simply because they have broken options like Giant Hunt, they're just no longer the brokenass weapons they once were, Occult Cross Nagi is really strong, Clayman's/Death Ritual Spears are superb options for INT builds and Bloodfiend fork is incredibly versatile as it has tons of great infusions ranging from Occult to nearly all elemental ones, Bolt of Gransax is also a pretty decent pocket sniper option for DEX builds.

>>733778209
erdtree dagger is crap until you get like 50+ faith and upgrade it around 18+. daggers low base damage gets fucked by enemy armor early.

t- made that build.

>>733778474
I didn't have an issue with Sacred Blade or Flaming Strike on it.

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Yep, time for a new run. I'm thinking Golden Order Paladin or Frenzy Flame Pyro, one of the two.

>>733775338
Fists don't do "decent stance damage". Most fists except star fist and iron ball do poor 2h R2 stance damage, but switch to 1 and charged R2 does 30 stance damage and it comes out so fast you can easily do two of them back to back after a riposte.

>>733778520
thats cool if you didnt have an issue spamming weapon arts but the actual weapons damage is going to be lower than average and get fucked over harder than average early game by enemy defences due to the way damage reduction works.

>>733768420
>Elden Ring actually has the widest variety of defensive options of any FromSoft ARPG, and the reason to use them is that you get different punishes off of different defensive options.
That's great on paper but in execution you get raped for trying to jump sweeps most of the time. Most bosses have punishes for jumping an attack that looks jumpable, long string combos that will keep you dodging or blocking far too long, delays and mixups mid combo sometimes. All attacks do unreasonable amounts of damage for how difficult they are to avoid and spirit ashes become mandatory to get any moment for retaliation unless you want to spend three days fighting a boss until you get lucky.

Elden ring gave away integrity and consistency for PREPARE TO DIE

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>>733778808
Just learn to identify jumpable attacks, it's not that hard
>playing through Volcano Manor literally right now
>stop to fight the wyrm
>he does some sort of massive, 360 degree sword spin where his sword is really low to the ground
>hmm, I wonder if I can jump that
>jump it
>it works
>he does a massive overhead slam that creates an AoE shock wave
>I wonder if I can jump that
>jump it
>it works
>move on to Godskin Noble
>don't try to jump any of his slashes or thrusts because why would that work
>he does his extremely slow lunging thrust attack
>start strafing it
>it works
>this puts me behind him
>he does some sort of tail sweep attack to turn around, sort of like Margit
>I wonder if I can jump that
>wait until he does his lunge again, get behind him
>jump the tail sweep
>it works
It's really not that complicated, man. Jump stuff like that has low hitboxes to see if it works, strafe stuff that looks like it has slow tracking. So many attacks in Elden Ring are clearly telegraphed that you're given ample opportunities to try this stuff.

>>733778808
>All attacks do unreasonable amounts of damage
When people say this I know they don't use heavy armor + crab + opaline hardtear + defensive talismans. This game gives you the tools to be tankier than ANY previous game and this is without grinding materials for ironjar or investing in FAI for black flame's protection.

>>733767308
Stockholm syndrome from 100+ hours of gameplay. It becomes a part of you.

>>733767308
game good

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>>733767308
>You cannot criticize a single, tiny, minute part of the game without a ton of people spazzing the fuck out and accusing you of being bad at the game.
What's crazy is it doesn't even matter if you are or not. Like if someone finds the game too difficult, pointing out that they suck at the game doesn't actually address anything or move the conversation forward. They're just insulting you kek

>>733767308
>No story
>Barren open world
>No challenge
>Invasive tutorial slides, instead of optional writings like in the other games
>Dualwielding makes the game even more trivial
>Input reading
>Awful music
>Magic is overpowered
>No mimics
>Just summon ashes to win, bro!
>Bosses are easier to stagger now, meaning the game is even more casual friendly
>Most weapon abilities trivialize the game
>Like 75% of the game is optional
>No solo invasions
>No covenants, meaning that PvP has no point
>4 endings are the same (kek)
>Teleports (WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING?????)
>Intro is a powerpoint slideshow
>"Altering costumes" system is the dumbest idea ever
>Fast travel
>Crafting is the most useless mechanic of all time
>They changed Malenia's white VA to some black foid for woke points (OH NO NO)
>All big bosses are garbage
>Cuck shit
>Feminist shit
>Simp shit
>Furry shit
>Tranny shit
>Gay shit
>Pedophile shit
>You have to simp for a woman in order to access some of the game's content (lmao)
>Paid DLC
>Final boss is a tranny and a giant fish instead of kino old man battle like in literally all previous games
>Skyrim dungeons (that have no rewards)
>Boss reuse
>Asset reuse
>Worst camera ever
Is Elden Ring the worst game of all time?

>>733767308
>fight this huge motherfucking godzilla sized boss
>he turns into a fucking meteor
>HE SLAMS INTO THE GROUND RIGHT WHERE I AM
>SCREEN SHAKES, THE GROUND TREMBLES
>MOTHERFUCKING APOCALYPSE RIGHT HERE
>didnt even damage me for 1 hp
>because i did this clown looking little roll like a special eds kid
why are japanese games like this.
i laughed my ass off, immersion ruined, turned the game off and forgot i had it installed.

>>733779136
Marika/Radagon is literally billions of years old

>>733778682
A +10 Erdsteel Dagger with 20 FTH with Flaming Strike has more Fire AR than a +10 Heavy Longsword with 30 STR and that's before a Fire Physick and FGMS which double-dips exceptionally well on Erdsteel Dagger. Flaming Strike is a strong Ash with good damage and poise damage. It also lasts 30 seconds. Either you're disingenuous about how easy it is to stack elemental damage in ER or ignorant.

>>733767308
i dont get the appeal of these "press button to roll" japanese games.
it always felt like im playing a game thats 20% into development.
>no music
>graphics from 2005
>janky awful movement
>dogshit combat
>press space to roll
>press space to roll
>press space to roll
>empty dead world
i just dont get it.

>>733779060
>yeah the damage is actually completely reasonable if you apply all these buffs before every fight
You are adorable.

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>>733767308
i swear to god i will never understand the hype around these dumbass souls games.
you just roll around like a motherfucking down syndrome kid, thats the whole gameplay.

i guess these rolls are funny for the first 5 minutes, but i cant imagine doing rolls would keep me entertained for longer than that.

>>733779294
Correct. You are supposed to use the tools the game provides.

>>733779294
You're meant to Physick before every fight. It's more the opportunity cost on other tears. Same goes for the Talisman slots. That is one buff, Crab, which lasts 60 seconds. Either way damage is very manageable even without Crab with all that.

>>733767308
It seems like this is a recurring issue for you. Do you often end up in situations where you're critiquing Elden Ring?

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>>733779348
>you just roll around
If you want. You can also just not do that.

>>733779384
If the game is designed like shit. In a proper action rpg you'd actually need to put some thought into your buffs, not stack modifiers like it's a paradox game.

>>733779418
or, i can just play a game that doesnt have braindead retarded gameplay loop.

>>733779215
Longsword has 50% more AR than the dagger before flamestrike in this scenario. given flamestrike actually scales with strength i really doubt the dagger suddenly pulls ahead in total AR afterwards

>>733779418
Holy shit this looks so fucking bad.
The only game in human history that did huge boss fights right is DOOM 2016 and Eternal.

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Elden ring sucks bosses do too little damage wtf.

>>733768856
They tried again with Nightreign. It's where the "spiritually flopped" cope came from.

>>733768941
>389 results
Jesus Christ...

Also worth mentioning that once you have like 50-60% baseline damage reduction, all the sources of DR in this game are multiplicative and thus less effective the more of them you stack so adding more at that point doesn't make that much of a difference. You don't even need Crab to get there, but the body buff slot competition isn't that fierce unless you're a FTH build.

>>733767308
>criticize
GIT GUT!

>>733779864
Common myth. There's no diminishing returns.

>>733772312
Because it had what was effectively a proto-shazamtranny trying to kill discussion of it back 2013-2014. It gave the game "credibility" and poisoned the well for any actual critics.

>>733767308
Because you should have gatekept the series better.

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I fucking HATE spamming the grab nigger item key, fuck the nigger craft system they implemented just because they wanted to put the tag in steam alogside the other retarded nigger early access games that for some reason sell well because steamies are so fucking retarded
>just don't use the crafting system
You don't understand, if in the floor, then i must pick it up

>>733779198
Still younger than the player character, sonny. They can sit at the kids table.

>>733779837
>newfags consider this notable

>>733779418
that's a lot of damage, is it moded or is it buff stacking

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>>733779864
All you really need is one or two things.
>armor
>physick tear
>crab
>a buff
>defense talisman
Genuinely just pick two of these and you're good to go. And if you don't believe me, here's a tank build just facetanking a highly damaging miniboss with just armor, opaline hardtear, and a piece of shrimp (I didn't have crab yet).
>but you clearly leveled VIG
Of course I leveled VIG, I'm planning on facetanking.

The buffing humiliation ritual is only for the endgame, and even then you don't need to do it for every fight.

>>733780308
Yeah then the DLC gets you up to like 80% DR from all the Scadutree Fragments and you're basically unkillable.

>>733777351
Thanks dude! Always figured I’d just get filtered

>>733771114
I feel the same way about Amnesia and horror games

Amnesia was objectively a good, atmospheric horror game, but its 6 billion shovelware clones ruined the horror genre for over a decade

>>733771663
It took the garbage weapon arts from DS3 and made the ashes system, a huge improvement, also the way FP is handled.

Early ds3 has casters totally gimped, you are literally better off with no ash flasks and melee only until you get a few shards

>>733767308
>You cannot criticize a single, tiny, minute part of the game
This thread is the proof you can criticize the game
>without a ton of people spazzing the fuck out and accusing you of being bad at the game.
Wow who could have thought of that. This is a (You) problem, this isn't reddit. Not every anon is here to circlejerk you.

>>733781725
>Amnesia
You mean Penumbra

>>733767308
boring rpg

>>733767308
Elden Ring seems like the kind of game I would love with its open world, many dungeons, different armors and weapons, magic, and a lot of variety in enemies. But then I get to playing it, and it just doesn't capture me. I don't know what it is. The open world is nice to look at, but when I'm out there, it feels really... simple. Skyrim had a bit more engagement with magic, like going Conjuration, Illusion, or Stealth. So despite its many shortcomings, I still enjoyed it. Dragon's Dogma let you climb all over monsters and vocations felt really different from each other. It gave me this sense of adventure because I had to prepare myself and my pawn before I left for who knows how long for whatever I may encounter. I love it, despite its problems.
Elden Ring doesn't give me the same excitement, and I'm not sure why. Weapons feel the same, armor is really just cosmetic for the most part. Either you have enough stagger resistance to facetank or you don't, and it doesn't seem like there's much of a difference beyond that. I wish I didn't have to farm on an enemy for an hour to get his armor set. Spells really seem to lack utility and ones that do have it, it's like every enemy I would want it to work against isn't affected. I don't remember too much about magic, as it was my first attempt, but none of them went beyond a simple damaging spell. It was worse, because a lot of enemies would just dodge it, be too fast, or erratic, so I went "why bother", and restarted.
The one thing i see a lot of players talk about it is that you have to go after certain items before you can even begin, and that is something I don't want to do at all. I don't want to have to use the internet for information about the game, that kills the adventure for me immediately.

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>>733767308
because it's literally the perfect game if you hate this game you hate gaming as a whole.

>>733767308
From game difficulty is a meme anyway. These games are made with sword and board kniggery in mind and all bosses are designed around it more than any other build
If you play the game as a sword and board knigger, the difficulty isn't bad at all even for people who aren't used to them

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>>733774512
This beauty. I tried the upgraded version of the AoW, Carian Sovereignty, but I hated how it didn't let you just use the 1st tier charge like Grandeur does, so I ended up going back to my beloved.
I wish I was able to get a Carian knight spirit ash. Moongrum is just a cool fighter.

>>733768648
DELETE SIR DELETE
SIR ARE YOU MAD

>>733767308
dude it's 4chan, you have people that genuinely like the game, genuinely hate it, or the flood of bots/shitposters/autistic demons that curse these halls. Stop trying to have genuine discussion here, thats a fool's errand. You come here because you can get away with things that you couldn't in other places, and even that is eroding away. This place is a legacy dungeon.

>>733768420
>Blocking
sure but it's limited to greatshield barricade builds. At leas against bosses and elite enemies, the only type of challenge the game provides for which you may want to put some effort
>parrying
unclear what can be parried and what can't, requires blind trial and error
>spacing, strafing
bosses and elite enemies have absurd tracking, range and combo extensions that are not intuitive in the slightest. You're better off memorizing iframe timings than to learn how to avoid the shit they throw at you through positioning, it unironically requires more trial and error
jumping, sprint jumping
>unclear which attacks can and cannot be jumped on, requires too much blind trial and error
>low profiling
LMAO

The fact that you're oblivious to these obvious issues makes it clear you're the kind of guy who only plays FS games, spends thousands on hours on them learning all their in-s and outs, and completely forgets what good game design for a general audience actually entails

>>733782742
Penumbra was a cult classic

Amnesia had mass appeal and its one of the few times you can legit blame pewdipie for ruining things

>>733779384
that doesn't make the game fun or balanced though

>>733772724
I don't think anyone besides you and me would understand this reference in your picture. very high brow.

>>733773293
they've long since hollowed, and now repeat the same patterns ad infinitum. The only mercy we can show towards them is death.

>>733783884
>hihi 9/11
give me your strongest updoots broski

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>>733783575
You are already wrong for point 1.

>>733784312
counterpoint: I don't want to play a game like this

>>733784763
>you can't play the game like that
>yes you can
>ok, but I don't want to

>>733784763
Ok cool you weren't arguing in good faith anyway.

>>733784843
It's always the same shit with these "people", it's just ragebaiting of the lowest degree, see the other retard saying how much he loves DD and then accusing ER of having flaws that only DD has

>>733784312
Oh fuck I really slept on that ability

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>>733784763
>>733784843
/thread

>>733784879
>>733784843
I'm not even that guy. Default Souls block is not a good mechanic, it's just holding a button. If they wanted blocking to be a key part of the gameplay then they could have made a more interesting version of it and made a universal input which is available to all weapons and builds, but they didn't

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>>733785186
This, so much THIS!
If you need to press buttons, then it is le bad design.

>>733785186
>If they wanted blocking to be a key part of the gameplay then they could have made a more interesting version of it and made a universal input which is available to all weapons and builds, but they didn't
Blocking is available to the majority of weapons 2 handed and they even have their own stats for blocking, some are particularly good at it. There's also a perfect block window at least in the older games where if you block just as you get hit then you take reduced stamina/chip damage if you don't have 100% reduction. I do agree that they haven't done much with it from its inception but there's not really much further to go Karmic Justice builds in DkS1. I'm laughing just thinking of people dying from hitting a shield.

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>>733767308
Notice how the only people who make threads about Elden Ring are bitches whining? Then they get told they're fags for hundreds of replies and get what they want—attention.

Go to the /vg/ and try this in the Elden Ring megathread. Please. It would be so funny.

>>733779060
>the damage is reasonable for 30 seconds after applying buffs for a minute.
And then they wear off dipshit.

Why do the enemies get more complex and harder to dodge but the damage doesn't go down?

>>733785186
>it's just holding a button.
...as opposed to?
>If they wanted blocking to be a key part of the gameplay then they could have made a more interesting version of it and made a universal input which is available to all weapons and builds
...you mean like what you've been able to do since forever ago? You do realize simply two handing any weapon gives you the same exact block function you'd have with a shield? ER even gives weapon movesets a baked in block function with guard frames, Dueling Shields are particularly notable for that.

Why do you talk about games you have not even tangential knowledge of?

>>733785303
>You can block with a Shamshir!
Don't be a retard
Sekiro flask is a single use limited duration DLC buff, if they had worked something like that into the game as a universal mechanic then I would have been happier and we wouldn't be having this conversation

>>733785468
That buff lasts 5 minutes and Graces are all over the place. 5 minutes is enough to kill anything other than the final 2 bosses. If you really want more you can swap the Old Lord's Talisman.

>>733767308
>retarded if you like it
>retarded if you don't like it
>retarded if you don't care

You lose any way you look at it, retard.

>>733785468
>Blocking with a weapon should be the exact same as blocking with a greatshield
>For any weapon
>A dagger should block in the same exact way as a 2 meters tall greatshield
So you're mentally ill, uh?
And yes, you CAN in fact block with a Shamshir even without flask buffs, it's called investing in stamina

>>733785412
>...as opposed to?
As opposed to literally any other defensive mechanic which has ever been conceived of in a videogame, all of which have more going on than default souls blocking
Holding one button to auto-defend while being able to turn and sprint around at full speed, with no commitment, no timing requirement and no cost until you actually absorb an attack is the most uninteresting retard-proof guard design you could possibly come up with. Blocking in fighting games in 1992 was more in depth than this

>>733784843
>you can play the game in this way if you use my minmaxed build and follow the wiki to find all the parts

>>733785563
Who are you quoting you thick fuck