The lore is uninteresting, the worldbuilding is baffling, and the only truly good and outstanding thing is the monster hunting and all the preparation that goes in it. But that gets old. The world is just weirdly degenerate, like as with Ciri and the boys, but not in the horrifying rapey way that ASOIAF is
>>733772363Ok. Should have posted this on /lit/ though
>>733772651Witcher is probably the 2nd most popular RPG franchise in vidya tho
>>733772708Cool, you have not said a single thing about the games though, and have posted a book cover, so i'm gonna file it as off-topic
>>733772363Wrong in all aspects.
>>733772906Wrong about what?
I don't understand what you mean about the worldbuilding being baffling
>>733772949The map in the game is fanfiction. The world has no maps.
And W3 managed to do an even worse job with the lore. Like everything became casualized for normies.
>>733772996Witcher is a casual series though, and always has been
>>733772917All aspects, can't you read?No wonder you couldn't understand the books.
>>733773060there's notihng to understand tho
>>733772363I mean, you aren't wrong. You have to remember though that it was written in the 90s (first short story was published a bit before that) by a boomer edgelord with a femdom fetish. It's "dark fantasy" in the sense of pointlessly cruel cynical world, lots of cussing, (also incestual) sex and random violence that was popular at the time. As you have correctly identified asioaf draws from the same trend.Also while reading witcher was a rite of passing for a polish teenage boy, the saga is frankly not that good and yeah it's the parts about preparing to hunt the monster that are the most interesting.
>>733773342We need a good GoT game
>>733773342>It's "dark fantasy" in the sense of pointlessly cruel cynical world, lots of cussing, (also incestual) sex and random violence that was popular at the timeThat's just Poland.
>>733772363/v/ consistently has terrible taste. They can't stop sucking off Witcher and there is just nothing there.Geralt has no character, the world has no character, nothing matters. You just have this generic guy going around killing monsters.All his friends are hot women who have no character outside of them being boss bitches who are better than Geralt and constantly humiliate him.There is not a single iconic location in the Witcher universe. It's not like Lord of the Rings where you have the shire, the mines, the volcano, the big city, just places you can point to. Witcher has nothing.You play Morrowind and you have these giant mushrooms, you got to a city and there is a rock in the sky floating. Witcher has nothing.If I had to find any identity for Witcher the only thing I can think of is that Geralt has two swords and he needs to drink poisons. That's it, that's the entire Witcher identity.Playing through these games it's baffling. Who is this shit for? You listen to some dialogue and who wrote this? Who wasted their time writing dialogue that means absolutely nothing and goes nowhere?
>>733773779>You play Morrowind and you have these giant mushrooms, you got to a city and there is a rock in the sky floatingwoah...I kneel...
>>733772363Literal toddler tier of understanding literature.>The world is... le degenerate... so it's le bad, fiction has to be bedtime stories for children exclusively, betrayal, rape, corruption, degeneracy is no-no and sky daddy will spank me if I read it or think about it!Also what's more baffling is how not a single person on here seems to have graduated high school, since you seem to think that>The lore is uninteresting, the worldbuilding is baffling... The world is just weirdly degenerateis genuine critique or contributes / helps start any discussion
>>733774002You're getting upset over genre fiction on a video-game forum.
>>733774064Reminding retards they're uneducated and low IQ so they get humbled and become more grounded, and hopefully realize that they have no reason to think they're intelligent when they have achieved nothing of value in real life, is generally a good thing and makes the world a better place. OP should feel ashamed for being a loser, and work on improving himself so he can speak without being worried that he's a bumbling retard that'd get mocked and laughed at in any space outside of his mom's basement shitposting on imageboards
>>733773969Right? Even THAT is more impressive and memorable than any locale in the Witcher.
>>733773969Typical low IQ witchertroon response. Witcher can't clear the low bar of having anything except a guy getting humiliated by women and killing generic monsters with a sword.The witcher universe is more boring than real life. In real life you have interesting locations. Nothing like that exists in witcher.This is fiction, you can have anything and witcher chooses to have nothing. It's deliberately boring and generic to the point of absurdity. It's so generic and lame that it uses the most generic monsters available in folklore and then it goes the extra step to make those monsters more generic stripping away any identifiable traits until it's just an ugly humanoid with weird proportions.
>>733773779>There is not a single iconic location in the Witcher universe.Kaer MorhenVizimaVergenToussaintSkellige>If I had to find any identity for Witcher the only thing I can think of is that Geralt has two swords and he needs to drink poisons. That's it, that's the entire Witcher identity.Have you actually played a single one of the games or done anything more than look at a picture of Geralt
A lot of it is lost in translation. The language has this rustic feel to it (only really present in W1, sadly)
>>733774157>blah blah blah ESL moment blah blah projection blah blah balh
>>733774231it's less generic than skyrim at least>yea theres these nordic dudes and dragons
The way Geralt fights looks really gay>BUT THE BOOKS SAY HE LOOKS LIKE A DANCING FAG WHEN FIGHTINGLike somehow the books being just as gay makes it better
>>733774421Insane cope. Skyrim is very generic and it's still not close to being as generic and lame as this faggot witcher shit for netflix troons.Witcher is more boring than real life. Skyrim at least has giants and mammoths. Having nords with their viking rune shit alone makes Skyrim infinitely less generic than witcher.Witcher has nothing.
>>733774584Your face looks really gayBut Geralt can stop fighting.
>>733774693>big mushrooms cool! big mammoths cool! giants cool!Are you six years old?
>>733774693But AnonThe Witcher 3 literally showed us the Viking islands with frost giants
>>733774741>dude nothing is cool, I love nothing! my favorite game is full of nothing! nothing, except Geralt getting kicked in the balls by women uwumature adult detected
>>733774693skellige alone is skyrim v1.1 kek
>>733774706>But Geralt can stop fighting.yet he goes out of his way to be GAY
>>733773024Define "casual series"
>>733774767Those are just words>DUDE WITCHER HAS DRAGONS AND HARPIESIt doesn't matter what locations and enemies are called. All locations in witcher are generic nothing full of nothing. A viking island in witcher means that there is snow there instead of the usual swamps.A frost giant isn't a giant made of ice, it's a guy with weird body proportions. All monsters in witcher are humans with weird body proportions that are maybe 50% bigger or 50% smaller than a human.There are no giants in witcher. Skyrim has giants. You can tell they are giants because your head is at their knee level.The only way you can tell that there are ''giants'' in witcher is if the game calls them giants.
>>733774821But to you it comes naturally
>>733774978>skyrim giants>not just dudes with weird body proportions
>>733774978>There are no giants in witcher. Skyrim has giants. You can tell they are giants because your head is at their knee level.So like where Geralt's head is compared to the ice giant in this pictureIndeed it seems everything is just words to you
>>733774231>troonEvery single time. No matter which game it is. These chronically online personas need to include trannies in their high iq response to another anon. It's all so tiresome. And I despise trannies.
>>733775036Witchertroon gave up>>733775105more retard copeIn any other game that would just be a regular enemy. Maybe a troll, maybe a boss fight. No one would think this is a giant if the game didn't call it a giant. In Fable this would just be a guy.
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>>733775194NTA but holy shit. I'd jist love to see what you look like. No dog in this fight. I'd just like to see your face and body.
>>733775014y-you too
>>733775334Seething
>>733775364>Seething
>>733775194I do have to hand it to you, you'at least realised that bait is more effective if you engage with people in the thread.
>>733775571You lost. There is nothing you can come up with as a response. What I said is the truth so you have no comeback. You think this is some kind of a debate club where I chose position that will upset you and I only argue to score points. I am telling you the truth.You are stupid. Witcher sucks. It's more generic than real life. It actively goes out of its way to make it boring and shit. All monsters in witcher are generic pests, animals or misshapen humans. They are giants, dragons etc in name only.You lost.
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>>733775742Sure bro, I'll call you retarded one more time. That what you want?
What's your favourite part of the history of Witcher? My favourite part is that all the magical beings in the world actually all flooded in at once after some Unicorns accidentally left a door open.
>>733773779>morrowind>good
>>733776829Witchertroon can't read
>>733774231>>733774259You had no comeback to this btw
>>733777101>witcher isn't generic bro, it has....a village.... a castle.... very interesting locations bro, please respond
Morrowind doesn't have good writing it only has interesting ideas. The writing is so dogshit it isn't even funny.
>>733772363It's so boring and stale. Not a single Zarrikanian in the game to point out how bland the food is.Geralt cant romance Dandelion. I thought this was an RPG. Where is player's choice?
>>733772363That's just fantasy in general to be fair. Personally what I liked a lot of about the Witcher books were the character interactions. Felt like even a random peasant that shows up in a single page had a fun personality. The games also mirrored that fairly well, since that's also the best part of them I thought.
>>733777362What about Gaunter O' Dimm? Is he generic? What about Regis? Is he generic too?
>>733777728Yes, fucking retard. That's what we are talking about. Everything in witcher is made as boring and generic as possible. It's for people who thought game of thrones having flame arrows was too exciting and needed to be toned down.
>>733773779>All his friends are hot womenAnon is VERY gay
>>733778014Game of Thrones is far more generic and less magical than The Witcher
>>733778167There is no fantasy series in the world more generic and less magical than this shit witcher series. Witcher is less magical than historical medieval dramas.
>>733778304Did Andrzej Sapkowski fuck your dad and cause your parents to divorce or somethingYou're being extremely irrational about this so we know it's not actually about the games or the books
>>733778431I state the facts and the more pushback I get the more I respond. I can go in a cyberpunk thread and say ''this game sucks, cyberpurk as a setting sucks'' and I get no pushback so it ends there.But you want to argue. You chose this humiliation ritual.
>>733778545You've stated no facts. None. Zero. Just unsubstantiated opinions.And you know what, it's fine to think that The Witcher is boring. But when you say it's more generic than GoT then I start to question your judgement. You've yet to give a single actual reason for why you hate The Witcher so much. If this is meant to be a humiliation ritual, isn't it supposed to make me *feel* humiliated? Or at least make anyone else besides you think you're humiliating anyone else?
>>733778304The fact it's based on eastern european myths already makes it more original than another King Arthur or Ring of the Nibelung clone that is western fantasy.
>>733778687More retard cope. Just the fact that Game of Thrones has locations and places where certain enemies are makes it more interesting than witcher.In GoT you have a wall in a known location, a giant wall that keeps an unknown threat at bay, all we know is that they raise the dead and they are strange creatures. There is something. If you were to play an open world GoT game you'd think about the wall and what could be behind it. You'd want to go there and see the wall for yourself.Witcher has nothing of the sorts. There are no locations. There is no place in the north, nothing in the south, nothing to the east, nothing to the west. You are here in a forest and there is maybe a castle and that's all the world until a new book or game comes out and you are in a different forest next to a different castle. There is no lore, it's not building to anything. No one has ever booted up a witcher game and went ''I sure hope I get to see X location! we've been waiting for so long!'' There is no overarching story, it's not leading to anything. There is no end to it.Every other story does it better. Not even good stories, just shit stories do it better. Warhammer fags have shit like looking forward to what will happen with the orks, is the Emperor going to resurrect, where are the tyrranids going and what will happen with that next. Elder scrolls fags have an entire map, they want to see black marsh or hammerfell, locations that have been described in books.Witcher has nothing. Geralt spawns in a forest, gets cock and ball tortured by women, kills a few monsters and the book/game ends until the next one does the same. Nothing in the witcher lore exists outside of the generic forests Geralt interacts with at that particular moment.
>>733779297You are actually retarded. By your definition Earthsea books are actually bad despite being one of the best fantasy prose ever committed to paper.
>>733779297>the fact that Game of Thrones has locations and places where certain enemies aredude whatlmao>There is no lore, it's not building to anything. No one has ever booted up a witcher game and went ''I sure hope I get to see X location! we've been waiting for so long!'' There is no overarching story, it's not leading to anything. There is no end to it.So you're literally commenting on something that you haven't actually read/played/watchedYou're literally just saying things that apply to The Witcher and then you go "but The Witcher doesn't have this" lol
>>733779680>>733779695>no argument
>>733779875Nilfgaard is "a location where certain enemies are" and one that people would be curious to see in an adaptationPeople are wondering what will happen to Ciri and looking forward to exploring KovirThere's also the extradimensional elves of courseYou'll tell it doesn't count but you won't come up with a real reasonThe thing is, you could actually criticise The Witcher for its worldbuilding (Sapkowski wasn't particularly interested in consistency and took a kind of ad hoc approach - it's not nearly as fleshed out as some other settings) but instead you just come up with complete bullshit that doesn't actually apply.
>>733779297What does GoT have aside from The Wall?A castleAnd... another castleAnd... another castleAnd...>Warhammer fags have shit like looking forward to what will happen with the orks, is the Emperor going to resurrect, where are the tyrranids going and what will happen with that next.What do you mean what will happen lmao. The Emperor is not ever going to resurrect. The Tyranids are not going to reach Earth. The Orks are going to keep muckin' about. The war will continue on all fronts between everyone. >Elder scrolls fags have an entire map, they want to see black marsh or hammerfell, locations that have been described in books.Yeah can't wait to see the jungles of Cyrodiil or the Ice Vampires of Skyrim lol
>>733778545How is anyone being humiliated but yourself? Explain your reasoning.
>>733780519You are right, it doesn't count. You are grabbing at straws and disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. If you were not a spiteful little freak you'd just agree and admit you only like the games because they are long and you like collecting plants or some shit.>muh nilfgaardNot a place that exists until the books need to end with some big conflict with Geralt being involved. No one is curious to see a place that is just another generic area and waiting to see this EPIC new enemy of guys wearing different uniforms. What the fuck are you curious about?No one is wondering what will happen to Ciri. Nothing is happening to Ciri. People just want to fuck Ciri.Why is it mindbreaking you this badly that witcher is a generic IP about nothing except some vague vibe. It's for people who just want some vague medieval atmosphere with crude language.It's for normalfaggots who watched Game of Thrones just to be in on it. It's Game of Thrones stripped of all magic and any unique identity so it's just watching Tyrion call Jon Snow a fookin' plonker. Cut out all the dragons and magic out of GoT, replace it with only scenes of people pissing, saying fuck a lot and having censored PG sex and that's witcher. Total normalfaggot shit.
>>733781146>You are grabbing at straws and disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing.kek project more you dope>Cut out all the dragons and magic out of GoT, replace it with only scenes of people pissing, saying fuck a lot and having censored PG sex and that's... the new GoT spin-off seriesNow add in Tolkien & King Arthur, Slavic folklore, deliberate anachronism, and actually magic all over the place and you've got something approaching The WitcherI mean yeah certainly ASoIaF certainly has an autistic level of granular historical detail unmatched by The Witcher but most of it is just medieval history with the labels replaced. How is that a unique identity?
>>733781684Trannoid going in circles. Witcher has no identity whatsoever. Game of thrones has identity, even if you don't like it. The fat fuck is a hack but even he knows to not be too repetitive and try to make something different, this is why even something as simple as castles are not just copy and pasted. Different castles look differently and have different gimmicks. A castle on top of a hot spring with a walled forest for a magic tree. A castle on top of mountain peak where they execute people by dropping them from a hole in the ground. A castle that was sieged by dragons so you have melted walls.Witcher has nothing like that. Generic castle with nothing going on, next area generic castle with nothing, nothing here, nothing there. Where is the lore, motherfucker? It has nothing to offer other than Geralt getting stripped naked and tied down so Ciri or some other girlboss hits his dick and balls with a mace. That's all witcher has to offer, it begins and ends with that as the core of everything.
>>733782346>Trannoid going in circles.You again.I pointed out several distinguishing features of The Witcher. It has a distinct identity, even if you don't like it (I never said anything about disliking GoT btw - more projection)>The fat fuck is a hack but even he knows to not be too repetitive and try to make something different, this is why even something as simple as castles are not just copy and pasted. Different castles look differently and have different gimmicks. A castle on top of a hot spring with a walled forest for a magic tree. Oh wow!!!!Yet when The Witcher is [same thing but with a different gimmick] then it's suddenly bad and boring and repetitive etc.
>>733782797>The Witcher is [same thing but with a different gimmickNever happened. Witcher is just the same location with the same 2 or 3 events over and over. The only thing that changes is that names change.The entire witcher IP could take place in the same castle next to the same village and forest, nothing would change.In different stories it matters where you are in the world and it changes everything, it doesn't matter in witcher.In LotR it's a big deal whether you are in the shire or next to mount doom. Those are distinct places. Witcher does not have distinct places. The only counter argument I've received is that witcher actually has a location where it snows, which to the withtard mind seems like the most unique thing in the world.
I love it, simple as.
>>733783397You really can't tell the difference between Flotsam and Vergen? >In different stories it matters where you are in the world and it changes everything, it doesn't matter in witcher.You mean like how some areas are completely ravaged by the ongoing war but Toussaint remains an idyllic fairytale realm? Or, beyond the games, what if you went to Zerrikania?
Witcher is a bit lazy. One thing that always bothered me was that the world had these powerful and immortal wizards, but they followed the human kings because...? "Ah, anon, but the books are about the wizards trying to take over." I know but why didn't that happen like a thousand years before after the conjunction? A 300 year old, godlike wizard wouldn't be able to afford a legion and take over a kingdom? People wouldn't just flock to the lands of a wizard who could make their lives better with magic?
>>733783397>Who cares if each of the Northern Kingdoms have their own distinct character separate from eachother and the Nilfgaardian empire, variation is rolling hills and volcanic ashlandsMaybe your biggest problem is an inability to comprehend nuance
>>733783960>flotsamvillage>vergencity or castle(functionally the same thing in shitcher)All villages are the same. All forests are the same. All cities/castles are the same.It doesn't matter if you are in a supposed war zone. Witcher gameplay consists of you talking to boring fucks with nothing even remotely interesting to say and then you enter combat and fight 2 guys. It doesn't matter if it's an active warzone or a peaceful city. It plays out exactly the same, it looks the same, there is no difference.
>>733784305>villageIt's a trading post in an old growth forest.>city or castleIt's a Dwarven stronghold carved from stone.These are not the same. They're pretty generic, but they're not the same. Insisting that they are just detracts from your argument. >It doesn't matter if it's an active warzone or a peaceful city. It plays out exactly the same, it looks the same, there is no difference.This is like saying the Shire portions of LotR and the Mordor portions are the same because they just walk regardless - i.e. reductionistic to the point of complete retardation.
>>733784083It's like that because it's not written as if these characters are 300 years old. They just say they are that old because it sounds cool.You people have to understand that this is the most generic shit setting of all time. All the story can offer you are distinctions without a difference. You have two characters who are both boring and do nothing, but one of them says he is a 800 year old vampire. He just says it. It doesn't mean anything, it doesn't do anything.In another story like Vampire the masquerade or True Blood you have these old vampires. An old vampire may be more powerful because of his age, maybe he is more powerful because of his generation, maybe he has access to certain powers. It means something, it can be a game changer. An older vampire can flip the entire story.That's not how witcher works. A guy shows up and he is a vampire and he is 800 years old. Is he really? Not really, it's just a guy and he does normal boring guy stuff. That's witcher. You can replace the immortal wizards with regular peasants, it doesn't matter. It's an aesthetic, it's a name, it's a title. It's meaningless.
>>733784557Trannoid pretending to not understand. You have no arguments so you have to pretend like I said the castles are the same as the villages when I already told you that witcher has 3 locations. A village, a forest, a city.>This is like saying the Shire portions of LotR and the Mordor portions are the same because they just walk regardlessInsane mentally ill strawman. Troon has mentally checked out.
>humans are le real monstersWow… incredible… truly the drunk polish Dostoevsky of our time
>>733784607>Vampire the masquerade
>>733784821>Trannoid pretending to not understand.Cope. No, you legitimately just make no sense.Fine, compare Vergen and Novigrad then, or Kaer Morhen. You deliberately missed the point, of course.
Why can't purist contrarian neckbeards appreciate diverse interpretations of fantasy and go about their days?
>>733785472There is no point in comparing them. The locations are so generic and indistinguishable you have to google search their names just to check what we are talking about.Your retard point refutes itself. Better stories have unique locations that you don't need to look up just to remind yourself which generic location it is. The witcher games do not have any unique locations. I don't care if this city had red roof tiles but this other city has grey roof tiles. I don't care if the game says this town is a trade town but the game says this other one is a mining town. You are too autistic to tell that just saying words doesn't mean anything. I can give you two identical balls and say this is a basketball and this is a cannon ball>WOOW I GOT TWO UNIQUE BALLS!!!!
>>733772363The Witcher is satire. It's basically Shrek for adults
>>733772363>The lore is uninterestingProbably because its just "what if every fairy tale ever was real. But also sexy and violent". The games have really good story by video game standards, but the books suck when you compare them to other books on the same genre.
>>733786240>The locations are so generic and indistinguishable you have to google search their names just to check what we are talking about.No I didn't. Get checked for Alzheimer, grandpa. >You are too autistic to tell that just saying words doesn't mean anything.More blatant projection. Just saying "it's the same" is meaningless. You said Game of Thrones is really really special because one castle has a hole in the floor and the other has a garden. But when one town is a Dwarven stronghold with distinct architecture carved from stone and located partly underground in the remote mountains, it's suddenly not distinct from a bustling human trading port on the sea with towering spires. Your words are meaningless.
>>733784821>pretending to not understandI finally fucking realised what you people actually mean when you say this. It means "applying logic consistently". Rightoid logic isn't supposed to be consistent. To you, the logic doesn't dictate the conclusion; what you want to be true does. Having to accept a conclusion just because you accepted the premises leading up to it is unacceptable to you because it could lead to accepting things you disagree with. Therefore, to you, logic only applies as long as it can justify what you want it to. So, if I show you that I understand the premises that you use to justify your position ("Game of Thrones has memorable and distinct locations because they have certain gimmicks") but then I derive from those premises a conclusion that you disagree with ("The Witcher also has memorable and distinct locations by those same standards"), then I must be "pretending not to understand".Fascinating. Thank you for showing me this.
