Are the gamecube/wii zeldas considered the dark age of the series? I'm primarily talking about Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword, which I've heard are the two worst 3d zeldas. My knowledge of the series starts with ocarina and ends with majora. TP looks like "dark and gritty" zelda (which was the style at the time) and SS being the most linear and boring one. I've always been interested in TP because it looks like a more advanced version of ocarina, but honestly it looks so muddy and ugly.
>>733778084Twilight princess (GameCube) is a complete zelda game made with sovl. It combined ocarina and majors aesthetics well. Skyward sword is an incomplete waggling nonsense game. They shouldnt even be mentioned together
>>733778084Twilight Princess is fine, it's very similar to the N64 Zelda games and was developed for GamecubeSkyward Sword is gimmicky trash
Try playing shit yourself instead of watching video essays you stupid fuck.
TP like toilet paper haha
>>733778084Shit waker drags down the reputation of Twilight princess hard
I thought people were kind of meming about Midna for the longest time, then I finally played the section where she's introduced and helps you escape your cell.They absolutely knew what the fuck they were doing.
TP is based, on the original gamecube of course. SS has some moments, but is marred by the waggling bullshit, also the trials are far worse than the TP tears sections. WW is like 90% filler especially the original version with the triforce hunt part, and its dungeons are really bland.
>>733778084No, the toon era was and now BotW's era.
>>733778084Wind waker was decent. Great music, unique concept. Gameplay was hit and miss.Twilight princess was awful. 8.8 was way more than it deserved.Still havent played Skyward Sword.
>>733778435There's nothing remotely similar about the BotW era considering it has great reviews, great sales, people love it, and it's still remembered fondly 9 years later and it has been hugely influential.The only thing it has is a couple of aspies on /v/ hating on it, but their arguments are always wrong (like calling it an Ubisoft game) so there's really no need to listen to them, they're just wrong.
>>733778494What didn't you like about TP?
>>733778084TP had it's problems, but after BotW and TotK those problems are minimal.Twilight Princess at least feels like an adventure and is all around epic. And story and characters are millions time better than constant flashbacks as storytelling tool about characters that have no personality, are uninteresting, and are oc donutsteel tier.The overworld on TP is bad, but dungeons and locales makes up for it.Also Midna.Midna alone is better than BotW and TotK combined
>>733778084TP is THE worst Legend Of Zelda game, by far.SS is a MASSIVE upgrade, and underrated as hell. It has stellar dungeons and general gameplay, great world building and characters, and a gorgeous OST.Kids just hate it because of wagglan.
>>733778084No, the dark age of the series is right now, it's been nearly a decade since the first brand new mainline title. GC/Wii was like the bronze age.
>>733778084TP was made by a different lead who likes linear games that are more intuitive (easy) to get through. The game plays itself and is super boring if you are the sort of zelda fan who hated having to figure out how to get into the forest temple in OoT.WW was baby easy too but still had some fun exploring stuff. people hated the art style on release though.I honestly stopped playing zelda games after TP because it was so bad compared to OoT/MM for me i gave up hope on the series. a reviewer gave it 8/10 and people flamed him, the joke is they flamed him for not giving it the '+2 zelda bonus' but looking back you realize 8/10 includes the +2 zelda bonus. its not a good game for a variety of reasons.
It’s so hilarious seeing kids grasping at straws for the next “cool” opinion. They were spamming about OoT being bad and now they’re going after TP. Which YouTuber is behind this?
>>733779052>The game plays itself and is super boring if you are the sort of zelda fan who hated having to figure out how to get into the forest temple in OoT.i meant to say is super boring UNLESS you are the sort of zelda fan who hated...
>>733779052Exactly what I thought. I'll probably never play it since I hate these proto-movie games like MGS1 that you spend more time watching than playing.
>>733778084The world 3D zeldas are BotW and TotK. Twilight Princess is a fairly average Zelda game but it's much better than both of those.It's difficult to say the same for Skyward Sword.
>>733778084No, Switch Breath Of The Wild era is the dark ages.
>>733779456worst*not world lol
>>733778084There are 3 "dark ages" for Zelda1. CGI era2. NDS era3. Current Asscreed of the wild eravery other Zelda is a very good game and you are a retarded flamewar baiter if you insist otherwise.I am not certain we will ever recover from the current era because normalfags can not stop buying more shitty open world slop.
>>733778084Every Zelda game compared to BoTW/ToTK now feels like a masterpiece. They went the easy way with ubishit open world clone design, with a faggot Link to the boot. It's time to say sorry to TP. Even to Skyward Cock.
>>733778084Yes, but primarily due to the ds games being ass. At least 3ds fixed that with albw, but then fumbled with trifle heroes.
>>733778084yes its one of the worst zelda games ever made
>>733778084Twilight Princess is the 3rd best 3D Zelda game
>>733778084I'd rather play TP than WW but SS is dog shit and only seem good in comparison to botw
>>733778084For some reason they’re not, but they should be. They’re braindead easy rehashes of OoT with endless padding and forced tutorials to add insult to injury. They treat the player like they’re retarded. BotW at least had the guts to give you enough rope to hang yourself. Twilight Princess is the biggest piece of shit in the series.
>>733778084Breath of the Wild is the most successful Zelda game yet it's technically a Wii U game. Almost everyone forgets that because Wii U was such a massive failure of a console most people just played it on the Switch instead.
>>733778554I'm trans.
>>733778084The dark age was between Majora's Mask and Breath of the Wild, they really floundered through all those years until they hit a home run.
>>733778084Twilight Princess is a hard one to talk about because the context of its time is as important as the final product that we got. Context? Between being a follow-up to Wind Waker and the rapturously well received E3 2005 trailer, Twilight Princess had one of the biggest hype trains going into it of any game in history, ever. We're far enough removed from the event to forget that, but this game was expected to be the second coming of Jesus. Then they delayed it to put it on Wii, so now you could buy Nintendo's next gen console with "revolutionary" controls that let you swing Link's sword in, again, one of the most hyped games in history.Reality? Twilight Princess looks like an updated Ocarina but plays like a more confidently built Wind Waker. Less experimental ideas with the sea and sailing, back to basics but with a renewed focus on WW's empasis on linear narrative. The result is a game that is arguably the peak of the franchise in terms of cinematic framing and setpiece moments, which was very on trend going into 2006 and beyond. The real problems with it is that it's almost unforgivably easy and that organic exploration feels unusually de-emphasized. Not absent, but it definitely paved the road for Skyward Sword to be what it is. So TP is a weirdly contentious entry, hated by those who wanted depth of exploration but loved by those who bought into its aesthetics and cinematic direction. Fell far short of living up to its impossible hype, but if you can accept what it is for when it happened it was a good enough game.
babs love TP. It actually kind of sucks, and has no focus.SS is highly troubled but better than everyone says it is, actually.
>>733783497I just feel like it doesn't really do anything that OOT and MM hadn't already done better. I feel like the wolf form is bad. I feel like the story is kind of bad, and leans way too hard into recreating moments from OOT. I even don't really like the art style when compared to OOT and MM. It's too murky and brown. The Gorons and Zoras are ugly fucks, when they should be cute.
>>733783760Story and dungeon wise, TP mogs both Oot and Mm combined. Music too really. Graphics. Come to think of it, TP is just better, and ya'll just nostalgiafag too hard.
>>733783931OOT builds up Ganondorf. TP brings back Ganondorf like two thirds of the way through the game, and expects you to pog because you played OOT. That's all you have to say about TP's story. Zelda does fuck all in it as well.The dungeons are just easy peasy, even by Zelda standards.
>>733778084Dark age of zelda lasted from PH to ALBW
>>733783760There are definitely subtle, if not expected technological updates to TP. Probably the most impressive are projectile interactions - you shoot an arrow into the ground and it can be picked up, an enemy arrow hits your unbrandished shield and it still reflects, that sort of thing. It's still the only Zelda where you can run and swing at the same time. The hidden skills at least hinted at a potentially exciting direction to take Zelda swordplay, but the series has yet to follow up on that potential. Its improvements are very quiet. Wolf form is not a great mechanic, very jack-of-all-trades and largely an arbitrary key to fit a set of arbitrary gates, not to mention how ironic it is that wolf combat is exceedingly dull and automated. Story's a bit all over the place, the Ordon stuff is handled weird but the conflict between Zant and Midna and the Triforce overlap is fine. I actually think TP has the best general art direction of any Zelda, even if the Gamecube's power doesn't do it the greatest justice I really like the grounded, rustic direction it went with. Character designs are hit and miss but the world itself is at least conceptually beautiful.
>>733784308I mean sure, it's technically a much better game.I just almost entirely don't care. I'm here to have some kind of cohesive game/narrative experience. Not just to enjoy Gamecube hardware upgrades.
>>733782684We know BotWfag.
>>733784046Zant was a good villain and a perfect depiction of a fraud and phony. TP definitely builds up Ganon too, as he is Zant's god who grants him power. Oot doesn't have any moment as impactful as Zant taking power into his own hands and seeing Ganon, his former god off, taking his life.
>>733784419I do think TP at least manages some design coherence in that it's effectively guided by the rule of cool. TP's at its strongest when it strings the player along from setpiece to setpiece, each moment feeling like it's designed to be as epic as possible. Clearly that runs up against the game's potential for actual depth, but if TP has any identity of its own it's how grand and cinematic it wants to feel at pretty much everything it does.
>>733779793I presume the NDS era includes SS, I'd argue triforce heroes is part of a dark era were it not for ALBW which might very well have been a fluke like PLA for Pokemon
>>733778543I like botw and it is a ubisoft game
>>733784670I like how childish he acts in his fight
>>733778186>>733778280>>733778367>>733778435>>733778662Toilet paper fags never stop amusing me with their delusions.
>>733778819>great world buildingFuck off SS ruined the overall world introducing two of the worst characters ever, Fuck Demise and Hylia even Null being a mindless being is 10 times better than proto akuma
The dark age of the series is right nowTP and WW were both good games, anyone who thought they could compare to OoT and MM at the peak of the series were fucking delusional.
>>733778084gamecube era zelda was always dogshit. this is a poll made by the zelda dungeon community. the biggest zelda community in the world
>steady releases between platforms and handheld>new games with unique identities>myriad of art styles>varying game mechanics across releases>series continually progresses, though games are generally mixedVs>one art style for over a decade>two games, one being glorified DLCWe're in the dark ages, mate.
>>733787492>the biggest zelda community in the world>BotW makes it into the top 5Dark times.
>>733787425>right nowI liked Echoes of Wisdom.
>>733778084It was "a" dark age but not because the games are completely irredeemable dogshit, but because they shared flaws that pointed to a lack of understanding of the series on the devs' part.And it's certainly not "the" dark age, because that's right now. BotW and TotK demonstrate a complete disconnect between the franchise's intent and Nintendo's understanding of it.
Skyward Sword was the only 3D Zelda game I ever played where I was just genuinely not having fun the first time around. Link getting his bussy blasted would be less gay than waggle controls.
>>733787492I don't even like WW or TP that much but putting them under SS seems fucking insane to me.
>>733778084SS is still the worst Zelda game.
>>733788352SS was always at least better than WW.
>>733788443WW isn't even a finished game.Then again, "it's better than a half-baked rush job" is the kind of praise SS has to make do with by virtue of being the worst Zelda game.
>>733788284seems like a based take. ss is way better than Gamecube slop
>>733788573There is no 'finished' game, even OOT and MM, masterpieces that they were, were rushed out the door and had plenty of content that had to be cut for brevity.
>>733787492a link to the past is boring as fuck and only late 30s losers like it
>>733787492the amount of ONIONS in this list is absurd
>>733790826It was a very well made game and, like others in the series, ahead of it's time by a lot. I'm not going to pretend it was the best game ever made just because it's old, but it's probably in the top 5 just in terms of how influential is was for storytelling, mechanics, and overall quality. Try playing some of the other isometric adventure games of the time, it was in a league of it's own.
>>733790826I'm replaying it for the first time in years now and I think I'm enjoying it more than I ever did, but I do feel there are some slight QoL aspects that slightly grate, namely how overloaded the action button is when the shoulder buttons aren't doing anything. Way easier than it needs to be to initiate unwanted actions. But the game design itself has been strong thus far.
>>733778084>scan thread>zero (0) midna smut>not even any sfw midna wtf /v/
>>733778084There was never a dark age. It’s all personal preference. Every single Zelda game has some devoted fans.
twilight princess is good
>>733793947Hush child, this thread is video games.
>>733794428midner is vidya
>>733778084WW, TP, and SS are part of the stale era, 3 games that are OoT but worse. TP does it the best but it's easy to see why they went with BotW afterwards.
>>733794498very fitting name for something so mid
Yes but the switch titles are going to be regarded much worse as history moves forward
>>733795584take that back, midna is peak
I need tp for my bunghole
Twilight Princess was complete trash. Never felt more swindled by reviewers than that game. Liked Wind Waker, thought this would be Wind Waker but more fun and mature. The Wolf shit was fucking garbage, this game still makes me mad.
>>733795697midnah
>>733795552TP sort of showed there was nowhere else to really take the OoT formula, aside from maybe harder but fuck if that's ever happening. The game proved that Nintendo could basically craft this kind of game in their sleep.
>>733795780I don't really get this. WW has its cozy vibes or whatever but past that the game really feels like it's held together by duct tape. TP's far from a perfect game but at least it feels much more properly assembled, especially in terms of dungeons that blow WW's out of the water. Lakebed Temple, Arbiter's Grounds, Snowpeak Ruins, City in the Sky, WW just can't compete.
>>733778084Yeah basically. I would say between 2002 and 2012 was the dark age of zelda. ALBW is better than every game from that era
>>733790826I'm 23 and it's my second-favorite Zelda after OOT. Speak for yourself.
>>733796461>>733778084Skyward Sword was really fun, it didn't deserve the hate it got. The swordplay was immersive and done well, and the areas were interesting and fun to explore.
>>733778084>I've always been interested in TP because it looks like a more advanced version of ocarina, but honestly it looks so muddy and ugly.no? the game looks great. it has a fantastic dark fantasy art style. it's the best 3d looking Zelda game in the series
>>733795552OoT sucks shit and aged like milk. TP is great and much better
>>733779052The only reason anyone got stuck on OoT is because they were seven years old, Anon.
>>733796729kakariko gorge is actually ugly, tho
>>>733778084>scan thread>not a single post calls out OP for shitting on games he has not playedThis board is dead.
>>733787869This disconnect was already present in Skyward Sword, which was mostly identical to BotW/TotK aside from the more linear open world.Once you look past the surface level, most of the issues with the new games were already present in SS, only exacerbated by a lack of experience.
>>733797440you cant gaslight me. I watched some mid 20s mutt from america get stuck like 6 months ago on twitch.
>>733787492I thought Oracle of Seasons was generally more popular than Ages, at least from what I've seen online. Also crazy to see Seasons is apparently less popular than Phantom Hourglass.
>>733801107I've always thought that chart was a bunch of nonsense personally.
>>733801107I believe the consensus is Seasons is too easy, has a weaker story and suffers from being largely created using the scrapped LoZ remake.I actually prefer Seasons. Holodrum feels better to explore and I am preferential to the seasons gimmick. However there's no real story to speak of at all, and it's definitely the easier game. I'd probably prefer Ages too if it wasn't for the sections where you change time periods often, such as in the Zora Sea.
>>733778084Twilight Princess is the greatest ever Zelda game, one of the great gaming epics. Skyward Sword is directional input torture.
>>733801107That picture is pure bullshit. Seasons is the better game overall and completely mogs ages in beauty, all the different seasons really make the world feel alive and the ages being harder stuff people keep parroting is baffling when both are easy.
