This feels more like Fallout 4 than the actual Fallout 4.Seriously, it expands on F3's mechanics and improves on every aspect of its predecessor, just like Fallout 2 did for the first game, while Fallout 4 regressed a lot by removing/dumbing down mechanics for...what? Getting casuals on board? You already did that with 3, for Christ's sake.What fuck were they thinking?
Cope
>>733782606i saw it as more of the same casualization. ads to make it even more of a shooter over an rpg, visual novel skill checks you can't fail, and no random encounters
>>733783265But they already hooked casuals with 3. You can expand on the mechanics without scaring them off, like New Vegas did.This regression made no sense to me.
>>733783265>visual novel skill checks you can't failpercentage based skill checks just lead to savescumming and de-emphasizes build and playthrough diversityh because you can just succeed at things you didnt invest in
>>733783668A lack of self control is what leads to save scumming. The chance being tied to your skills is what makes it engaging. In new vegas there is no difference between a skill of 1 and 49 for a DC 50 check
>>733784121>just don't press the auto-win button, broExcellent game design, lol.
>>733784897these games give you full access to the dev console. do you toggle god mode or does that ruin the fun? not everyone savescums like you
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>>733785208>dev consoleNot a thing if you're playing on consoles like it was intended.
>>733785352>I'm an Obsidiot: The post
Fallout 2 is not Canon, it's the original quirk-chungus.
>>733782606>>73378535284/100 cope
>>733782606>Obsidian>Makes Fallout: New Vegas in 2010>15 years later>Makes fucking AvowedKek harder drop than Bethesda desu what fucking slop
>>733785352>shits on "Fallout" 4>praises "Fallout" London
>>733786203Kek
>>733786465Fallout London has actual world building, unlike Fallout 4 where the writers had to make up a half-assed justification for including certain things in the game after adding it to the world.
>>733786631and yet fallout 2 is canon
>>733786672Yes, the best game in the franchise is canon.
>>733774439I can't wait to make a nice character>Literally impossible not to make a man who doesn't look like mystery meatO-oh, I guess I'll just take it but try and get immersed in th->Conversations jump to 3rd person with voice acting for MCFuck OK, but maybe the conversations are at least goo->MC keeps saying something other than what you click on, conversations are uninspiredOK OK but the gamepl->procgen quests>clunky gameplay>ass main story>one proper settlement (the other is basically an alleyway) that looks like shit mind you & you as the player is expected to do the dev's work by building the rest of the settlements via mandatory questsGeez OK but I generally love city building/home building mechanics in games, so surely that has to be good, right?>The most frustrating, time-consuming mechanics you've ever dealt with in your life which yields the most hideous shanty-town fucking settlements that give Africa a run for its moneyFallout 4
>>733786631NTA but I gave up on FOLON after a few hours. The map and quests are so dull it somehow makes Todd's diarrhea that is F4 look decent in comparison. Also performance even worse than F4.
>>733782606Because Fallout 4 was a continuation of Bethesda increasingly dumbing down their RPGs. The massive success of Skyrim probably motivated them to double down on this design choice for Fallout 4.
>>733786829>mapI disagree, it was refreshing to explore a city in a Fallout game that actually had realistic city proportions. There is also a very good variety of environments and some locations that you get to see later in the game are genuinely impressive all around.>questsThey are on par with Fallout 4 quests. Some are better, some are worse. I do appreciate the attempts at making some of them less linear and offering more roleplaying choices.>performanceI won't argue with you on this. The perfromance is horrible all around.
>>733787245I don't mind the entire map being just the city of London. My problem is there are many dead ends and you have to backtrack a lot. This is fine when it's just a location or two but it felt like every second or third street was like that.As for quests I only really remember the U-boat one. I've played the mod when it released and that's basically the only thing I remember. Oh and the forced shooting gallery on the boat but I only remember that one because it was garbage.
>>733785352>NV>canon>after continuing the trend of ruining the Brotherhood's imageNo. NV is in the same group as 3 and 4.
>>733782606Fallout 4 sold more than Fallout 3 which sold more than Fallout New Vegas
I can't take any Fallout threads seriously because I know most of you are a bunch of zoomers who have never even played the games you talk shit about or the first games in the franchise
>>733787519>there are many dead ends and you have to backtrackThat's true, but from what I remember this is the most prevalent in the beginning areas of the game, there are much less of dead ends the further you go.I won't go shilling how you totally should give this mod another chance, if you didn't like it up to that point you'll most likely won't enjoy the later parts either.Though I do have to say it's the best "total conversion" mod for FPS Fallouts, it certainly doesn't feel like the modders just threw everything in the pot and tried to see what will come out if it.
>>733788075>I won't go shilling how you totally should give this mod another chanceI might because I'm on a Fallout binge. Recently finished New Vegas, finished setting up mods for 4 today so it might happen. Need to finally play 1 and 2 some day as well.>it's the best "total conversion"Probably yeah although I liked Long 15 for New Vegas much more despite being only a DLC sized mod story and world space wise.
>>733786734Frost mod is the only way I can see myself playing Fallout 4 again, even with all the mods in the world, the quests and story are so fucking ass, you gotta get rid of them
>>733782606I dont get why people pretend like FNV and Fallout 3 are so VASTLY different. they are literally on the same engine, with basically the same graphics and same foundational mechanics for gameplay.They really need to do a study on FNV fans to figure out why they have such derangements that they need to post 4 hour videos critiquing the differences between FNV and F3 on YouTube finding the most stupid shit to compare.Then there are people that think FNV is the Based Giga Chad entry in the franchise, but if you look at the fanbase for the title, its usually just faggots, furries, trannies, and other far leftists, because you want to know why? because its a faggot game for leftists with a faggy undertone that dog whistles their brains to like the game. thats why. So many people are trying to retcon Fallout 4 to being a absolute dogshit game, but thats funny because when it was originally released it got Game of the Year and a bunch of other awards. BECAUSE IT IS A GOOD GAME. but that doesnt compute in the mind of a troon that only believes in the uniqueness of the glitches being superior to any other fallout game. >WHY YOU LIKE FALLOUT 3 BETTER THAN NEW VEGAS?because its a better post nuclear apocalypse game that actually is dreadful in tone with the one element that FNV lacks, radiation damage actually being an issue. IDK how you make a setting of a post nuclear apocalypse game and have it make nuclear radiation damage not an issue.
what mods do i install to make this piece of shit work i have the 4gb patch and nvse and just play it with that with nothing else, tried viva new vegas modding guide/countless wabbajack modlists and it was fucked
>>733782606100 yard pop in range
>>733788392>they are the same game but FNV is tranny faggot garbage and F3 is based gigachad gameOkay
>>733788392Good morning
>>733788778yeah, where they deviate is in story telling and characters. but im sure you were considering why i would have that difference in opinion when you tried to clap back.
>>733788876So it's not the same game after all?
everyone in this thread is autistic. anyways, fallout 3 and new vegas are both good.
>>733784121why doesn't anyone do a hybrid system where having skill equal or greater to the check means you automatically pass, and having it under means you have a proportional percentage chance?There's nothing more infuriating than critical failing a basic check when you're a master of a skill. Better believe I'm savescumming then. Life isn't fair or predictable but an RPG should be.
and if you actually want to acknowledge my complaint about it not having raditation damage. it stacks in the healthbar and changes the dynamic of the game. if they dont have radiation damage than its just another post apocalypse game that lacks the identity of being post nuclear.
>>733786631In terms of worldbuilding quality I place it between 4 and NV, which still means it's pretty bad. Much better than anything Bethesda's put out in two decades though.
like there are points in the game of Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 where its actually beneficial to having a hazmat suit. because the radiation is so high in areas of the map that it forces the player to actually have to deal with it. instead FNV has no real punishment for radiation damage. there are no places that are highly irradiated.INB4 its SUPPOSE to be a recovering society. yeah, but how does that give it a post nuclear apocalypse identity and make it different than any other kind of end of the world game? trick question, it doesn't.
>>733788392>Fallout 3 is better because it deviates from the franchise's tone while NV returns to itman I like Fallout 3 too, but it's clear the people who suck it off the most don't actually care for Fallout, just Todd and Emil's visions of a generic post-apocalypse with a whacky zany 50s twist.
Only Fallout 4 is good actually All the others were too much jank
>>733789508>FO3 and FO4 aren't Fallout because they have a 50s-ish theme>but the yeehaw cowboy game is
I leave you with this, now sit and think about what elements can be added to make it a good post nuclear apocalypse game.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML2owcx2NWs
>>733789335Vault 34 and the test site near Camp Searchlight.also Fallout 1 only had The Glow (or being hit by centaurs), Fallout 2 only had the Gecko plant. are those also not post-apocalyptic enough?
>>733789592refer to:>>733786734
>>733785352This seems purposefully spoiled by the planescape:Torment addition, like maybe whoever made it was worried people wouldn't get it was a joke after mods like Fallout London were added to it alone.
>>733789705>ZOMG in Fallout 3 they kill of the main protagonist in the end because of radiation damage. thats just not a fulfilling ending to the game. you could get the supermutant follower to go activate the..........blah blah blah.your idea of a good or bad post nuclear apocalypse game isnt as good as you think either.
>>733790080Bot broke?
>>733790169>Fixing the water in fallout 3 is so lame. >ZOMG CONTROLLING THE HOOVER DAM AND THE WATER SUPPLY IS THE BEST ENDING EVER TO A GAME.
>>733790262Bot broke?
>>733790080>>733790262https://youtu.be/QxvxVS8RGJY
>>733790285come on, clap back bitch. you have my attention.
>>733790342Finally, you rebooted the bot.
>>733790390all i can do is obfuscate. the post.
>>733785615>>733786203>>733786465>>733787596filtered
>>733782606NV literally reused FO3 assets of course it would feel more like itIt's basically a DLC
>>733787596NV was made by the guys who mad fallout 1 and 2.
did you realize that the 4 hour essay on why FNV is the superior fallout game is just an opinion, and a crappy one at that because i have now radiated your brain with the idea that its not a good post nuclear survival game because it does not make good use of radiation damage in the story or gameplay? or do you have to find another persons perspective on why its a superior title for another reason.
>>733785352Obsidian made the isometric games?
>>733790580So? That doesn't change anything.
>>733790582There are people living in Hiroshima right now.
>>733790580It's lead writer never worked on a single Fallout game before though funnily enough, and he proceeded to write some of the best stuff in the entire series despite that.
>Fallout 3 ending is better than i give it credit for. its a post nuclear apocalypse survival game, what should I expect, a happy ending where i can run around a map and get rare dialog options from NPC's because i chose a certain faction?
>>733790779And? Japan was left intact so their gobernment was still functioning It's one thing for a small region getting nuked another thing the whole country getting nuked
>>733790582Ayo theres also a 4 hour video essay on why Fallout 3 sucks as well
>>733790930>because i chose a certain faction?You shouldn't expect that because you cannot choose a faction in Fallout 3.
>>733790582New Vegas takes places 200 years after the bombs dropped, of course radiation is barely a threat. Fallout 3 is exactly the same, except there's like one place were it's scripted to kill you.
>>733790930Why specifically does a person have to get into the chamber? Why doesn't my irradiated companion who would lose nothing by making this sacrifice feel it so prudent that I needlessly sacrifice myself?
>>733788392>I dont get why people pretend like FNV and Fallout 3 are so VASTLY different. they are literally on the same engine, with basically the same graphics and same foundational mechanics for gameplay.New Vegas has a more coherent story, actual differences in character builds and is a straight mechanical upgrade over 3.
>>733790582radiation is more meaningful to gameplay in Lonesome Road than anywhere in another Fallout game
>New Vegas has a more coherent story, actual differences in character builds and is a straight mechanical upgrade over 3
>>733788392>IDK how you make a setting of a post nuclear apocalypse game and have it make nuclear radiation damage not an issue.Because the atomic war was 200 years ago. It's history, not a recent tragedy humanity is still coping with. DC still being an irradiated hellscape covered in ancient rubble makes no sense. If F3 was set in 2097 or something it would have been easier to swallow, but 200 years makes the world seem static, like humanity is incapable of recovery and nature is unable to purify itself. You and Bethesda may like that interpretation, but many don't.Also, like the other guy said, there's still irradiated areas in the Mojave, so your premise is false. Moreover, the reason those places are irradiated (reactor leakage, recent deliberate strike against an enemy) are more interesting than 2 century old explosions still causing havoc. So, even under your criteria, New Vegas still does a better job.
>>733791692I would say that Fallout 4 and Fallout 3 have better unique weapons, because the unique weapons are the foundation for difference in character builds. FNV has like realistically 4-5 unique weapons that are worth using during a playthrough, F3 has like 5-7, and F4 has 7-9. its another thing that FNV doesnt have going for it that FNV stans refuse to acknowledge. nice try though. In fact I hope they have more unique weapons to choose from in F5. though i doubt it being good due to bethesda's recent track record.
>>733791864yeah i already went over that. here >>733789335
>>733792027FNV quite literally has the most unique weapons out of all the Fallout games, what are you talking about?
>>733792289i said useful. yeah there are tons of useless unique weapons in every game, but there are way more in the other titles than FNV.
so how am i suppose to make a unique build of a character if the unique weapons that are worth using for a playthrough are less than the other titles? I can easily enjoy F4 playing it though different playstyles because it does have a variety of unique weapons that are worth using.
>>733792440Fallout 3 "unique" weapons are just renamed base weapons that have the exact same texture and model with slightly better stats, while FNV not only change the model and textures but also how they behave. And most of them are amazing.I really don't understand why you have to lie about this.
>>733792760"better stats" k that helps with the point i am making. who sits down to play a game, building a character around a unique weapon that sucks. no one.
>>733789592Why is the fallout 4 deathclaw design so unintimidating compared to 3/NV
I don't really like unique weapons to be honest
>>733792848Good thing that New Vegas has way more unique weapons that are actually good.
so you admit it. the unique weapons in Fallout 3 are better overall, that motivates a player to do a character build around. because if you build a charater around a crappy weapon, its a waste of a playthrough because the player is going to want to naturally adhere to what works on the first playthrough of the game and drop weapons that suck.
which a lot of the unique weapons do suck in FNV so you are more limited in playstyle to like i said. 4 maybe 5 weapons.
>>733792101And I just said there are irradiated places in New Vegas; places with quests and loot associated to them, so the player has a reason to go there and bring hazmat suits, radaway, rad-x, etc.Also, showing humanity progressing after the apocalypse actually makes Fallout unique in the genre. The eternal wasteland Bethesda is obsessed with is pretty bland in comparison.
>>733793095>its not a game about survival in a post nuclear apocalypse world, but a drama that follows a fledging community with post a apocalypse themeyou just dont fuckin get it. you like the drama aspect more than the survival. you must be a woman.
>>733785534Damn. Went full retard
>>733792848But they don't suck. In fact the enhanced unique weapons make it easier to use certain weapon types your build isn't optimized for because they're so much better than the base version. Also the unique model adds visual variety
>>733793653Fallout 4 is so easy to run different builds with its good selection of unique weapons. i dont know why you are trying to lie to make it seem like FNV is better in this aspect.
>>733782606>You already did that with 3, for Christ's sake.3 only brought the idiots on board like New Vegas fans but with 4 they wanted to go even further. Getting everyone onboard, including the mentally disabled.
>>733782606biggest sin of betheshit is the art style degradation and dumbing down of everything
>>733794178They completely lost the plot after Adamowicz died
I swear to god FNV is a female/gay coded game that the fans praise its dramatization and tea party aspects more than survival elements. you cant make this shit up.
I was playing 3 recently (through TTW) and I started to think about the world design. Particularly, where does Paradise Falls sell all its slaves to? It seems to me like Megaton doesn't have a lot of buyers. Do they just sell them to super mutants as livestock?
>>733794394main reason why I fucking hate the tv show and the writing is worse than 4 and 3 it's like a 14 year old wrote the plot by skipping what happened in the games
Talking about our feewings, the game
>>733794580That's why only normies and tourists talk about it, everyone knows its garbage.
>>733794648nuh uh they talk about it because it's a great show
>>733794580>constantly panders to feminist and FNV fans>FNV fans still crypottery.
>>733794648yeah but the community aka redditors that enjoy bethesda nu fallout keep talking about it and just eat it up for the pigfeed it is. It's a disgrace
>>733782606Fo4 feels like assetslop
>>733784121Crpgtroons are genuinely retarded
This is exactly why FNV fans dont deserve a remaster or a sequel. its a woman game that focuses on drama instead of "thats a cool weapon, what can i destroy with this"
>>733794467I think Tenpenny Tower
>>733794467Anon, they didn't think that far ahead
What is middle America like in the Fallout world? Seems like the games only take place on the West or East Coast.
>>733794467There's more to the world than MegatonThey can deliver slaves to far away places or to any of the merc factions
>>733795029There are some places where it seems like they do think a little bit about stuff though, like Megaton is kindof shitty at first but makes sense after realizing its built that way because everyone is a cultist.>>733794990Tenpenny Tower seems kinda empty really, it can't be them.
>>733786734>play the Enclave mod for 4>get to kill everyone Todd wanted me to talk to
>>733795164Well they're not delivering them to the Institute and Rivet City doesn't seem to take kindly to slavery.
>>733794467I bet the vampires near Arefu buy them
>>733794394They lost the plot even before that
>>733795159Just play Fallout Tactics
>>733792919Retards think more muscle = scarier
>>733782606Lets just be glad that we got the game in the first place. Literally the best game in the entire series no less
God I cant wait for Bethesda to give the Oblivion treatment to Fallout 3. People will claim they are only doing it for money, but I will get to enjoy my survival genre game in a better quality than its ever been. let FNV fans cry in the corner. because we all know if they gave FNV the Oblivion treatment, they would be super mad that Bethesda didnt do it justice and how much it sucks, because when you have a fanbase of chicken heads bawking for bread, all you get is complaints.
>>733793431Why can't surviving become thriving? Why can't there be progress? Why does the world have to be a purgatory?Maybe you like going through generic pre-war building #44852258961 to kill ghouls/super mutants/whatever and loot centuries old legally distinct Coca-Cola, but some people prefer when their RPGs have settings and characters that feel real, usually those with a higher than average IQ, which I guess the women in your life have.
>>733796132>better quality>UE5At least make your bait believable.
>>733793431>women have better taste than meStrange flex, but okay.
>>733797162the truth is that in the next 5 years, i could see myself sitting down and doing another FNV playthrough. because at my core, I am actually a Fallout fan first and foremost, not an Obsidian fanboy. k keep crying that obsidian failed, if you are to compare the titles of Bethesda VS Obsidian, Bethesda wipes the floor with them and ultimately at the core of disagreement that FNV fans have is that Obsidian was the better option to make Fallout games, which I just fundementally Disagree.It really must suck to just sit there and go >There is only 1 Fallout game in the catalog worth playing.because to me there are 5 that are worth playing. all you new vegas fags are the same. dont understand the finer naunces of the other titles because you never branched out of your reddit approved echo chamber.
>>733798251Did you even read my post? Are you a bot?
>>733798445nta but I feel like a lot of posters lately are bots. Like more than in the past.
>>733798725I'm starting to ask myself what's the point of captcha. Fucking hell.
>>733799082I think the captcha got easier to help the botting
>>733792101>there are no places that are highly irradiated.Objectively incorrect. There are a handful of places very heavily irradiated in NV. It's just that since we're a couple centuries past the war, it's very few and far between.>yeah, but how does that give it a post nuclear apocalypse identity and make it different than any other kind of end of the world game? You have to be as creatively bankrupt as Todd to believe that unless everything is a ruined and irradiated pile of rubble there's no way to create an interesting post nuclear apocalypse world.
