How would you fix Final Fantasy after its embarassing last 25 years?
Are there really fans of 15 and 16? I get playing them but being FANs of them?
Why am I reading some retard streamerfag's opinion instead of you expressing your own opinion?Are you unable to have an opinion that doesn't come from some external source?
>>733853667this is actually a really good explanation for maplestory players who played in 2005-2006 (and before in korea) and mapletards who started playing after nexon added gach and 2x coupons and kept raping it beyond belief. "classic" world is more rape
>>73385382312-15 all have fanbases. Especially 13 for some reason.
>>733853823Yes, the DM of the D&D game I'm in says 16 is his favorite, and he's played most of themHe's such a fucking faggot
>>733853823zoomers exist yes
>>733853667I don't get it can you put it in harry potter terms?
>>733853667>this guy is a final fantasy streamer>all he does is bitch about final fantasyIf the og 7 came out today I'm sure he'd hate it. Dunno how he got popular but I hope it's just a fad. Dude ain't funny at all with his fake laugh after every "joke".
>>733853667>we're like, the avengers, because we're the good guys, and they're, like, ultron and thanos, it's just like my marvel movies
>>733853667This has got to be the most low effort streamer advertisement thread i've ever seen.
>>733853667joke's on him I'm a 40 year old OG FF fan and I use an anime PFP and slurp remakes
>>733853667>blablablablaHow can anyone watch some ugly faggot yammer for any length of time about literally who cares
I think it's pretty hard to continue a series that continues for 35+ years, just saying. do you really want to cater to "OG" fans?
>>733853667>embarassing last 25 yearsthat's like 75% of its entire lifetime... uh...
>>733853823I'm a fan of 16 in the sense that I had fun with it. I can see problems with it. Still, there are problems with things I hate, too, and those are more significant.
>>733853823Im a 40 yo oldfagI like parts of 15 but recognize its not a great game.16 is a decent game but a shitass final fantasy.Tbh5 > 6 > 7 > 9 > 4 > 10 > 11 > 12 > 1 > 15 > 3 > 13 > 2 >>>>>>>>14 > 16
Do people like this ever looked at the mirror and not see just how an embarassment of a human being they've become? 30 y/o's getting angry at a videogame that is targeting teenagers. Surely there must be much more pressing things to do in life at that age.
>>733853667FFXI-2
>ff really secretly long for more generic Tolkien stories Fuck no.
>>733853667>Rip Red??? He's better than ever though
>>733854393His whole bit for a while was grab something really small from og7 and just say how mysterious and amazing it was and the remake just doesn't get thatLike once you start sucking off the fucking chocobo master, pack it up
>>733855407>8 Forgotten
>>733854393Ironic otaku pandering to normafags who pretend anime has to regress to appease a worse audience. Thats how
>>733855442Humans are supposed to generically have kids at like 15-23 now that it keeps getting pushed further and further back, it's becoming obvious we have too much meaningless free time Maybe he has a family but I doubt it, how do you look at your wife after bitching about media for hours on end without being embarrassed
>>733853667>How would you fix Final Fantasy after its embarassing last 25 years?I would want an action game better than what they've been doing. Unfortunately, I think the easiest solution is to be a lot like FFX.
>>733853667Stop changing the core gameplay with every entry and focus honing a good but flawed gameplay system, like for example the one in FF12.7 Remake also had a promising system and they only had to take it to a more tactical direction with Rebirth, but they didn't.
>>733855726Nope. It needs to elevate itself back into 4 niggas in a row.
>>733855781Ff gameplay changing every game is more core to it than anything We never would have gotten job systems and materia if they just stuck with choose 4 guys from pre defined classes with no option to change
>>733855556The chocobo sage is based and I haven't played the remake/rebirth crap but I was about to post how he's probably actually the last living Cetra and I looked up what they did to him in this nu-FFVII shit and it has made me incredibly fucking angry. Everything they do since AC shits on the original game and they have no idea why it was so fun or popular I fucking hate Square so goddamn much
>>733855868Erm little bro nobody cares about the chocobo sage
>>733855841Yeah and now we're getting games with under develop battle systems, combined with retarded stories.
>>73385382316 is a good game, it just isn't a good Final Fantasy game.
>>733853823No.>>733854193Your DM is literally lying to you. I can promise you that faggot has not played all of the entries.
>>733853667>webmModern FF fans don't existThere's a reason the new games sell a few milly despite them expecting blockbuster numbers
>>733855442>>733855704While I hate streamers I hate them considerably less than normalfaggots who come here to normalfag shame other people on fucking 4chan.
>>733855919Erm, you're fucking wrong faggot. Lore mysteries like that are what make for good games.
>>733855796That would be a good change, but at this point it would help to control more than 1 person.
>>73385382316 is the best mainline gameDoesn't mean much but there
>>733856072I don't know about that. I feel like FFXIV brought a LOT of new blood into the series. A lot of my FC and LS chats are people that jumped on in XIV and they branch out and try the other games. FFXVI didn't sell bucketloads because no one wanted to pay for new hardware and it ran like shit on launch PS5. The hype wasn't strong enough to make a hype train.
>>733856218FFVI and FFIX let you use a player 2.
>>733853667A PvP Gacha where banners are locked behind paywall and you can pwn the poor if you pay of course. Oh wait, that's the new Dissidia
>>733856349>FFXVI didn't sell bucketloads becauseBecause it was a shit FF title
>>733853667you can't because it ended up creating a new shitty fanbase when it became a shitty anime tier game at 7+.The original fans all moved on long ago
>>733855580quistis was the better choice
>>733853667Fuck off, Sebby, you mentally retarded gook faggot.
>>733853667>if you like the old games, you're an elf>if you like the new games, you're an orclmao this dude has some pretty severe mental issues.Anyway, I like both both the old and the new, because I am a Final Fantasy fan. What does that make me? Probably a half-orc abomination, according to this retard. xD
>>733853667For the same reasons hes describing the fractured FF fanbases, you can't really fix FF since whatever you do you're going to piss off FF fans.Saying you're a fan of FF doesn't mean anything since you're just saying you're a fan of a handful of the games but will exclude a good portion of them. FF has become such a slop series with zero identity it reminds me of the Digimon games since Digimon fans are either fans of Digimon world or the bootleg persona clone.You can obviously say Pokemon is a series that shit the bed but if you say you're a Pokemon fan, even the best and worst pokemon game play pretty much the exact same outside of spin offs. The only way you could fix FF is to pick a style you want to do, stick with it 100% and keep delivering on it and improve with each game. I'd just go back to turn based JRPGs since no one is really making them anymore, its what FF is most popular for and E33 proved its still popular with normies because retarded suits at FF thought it wasn't anymore despite Pokemon being the most popular ip in the fucking world and its a turn based JRPG. The FF7 remake would of been the perfect time to course correct but they fucked it up. When the FF7 remakes are done in like 20 years rerelease using all the assets but make it only turn based.
>>733860280>Don't like FF7R because I missed the old ATB style>Get shit for it like YOU REALLY WANTED 3 DUDES IN A LINE GAMEPLAY?>E33 comes out and everyone dick sucks dudes standing in a line gameplayfuck this gay nigger earth and everyone in it
>>73385382315 had the whole boy band shit, story segemented in DLCs, movies, anime short, etc. It was a complete shitshow 16 had the story in one single game and is probably the best one after 12. It's definitely much better than 13 and their sequels but it's still not amazingly great. 14 is an MMO so it doesn't count.
>>73385382316 is kino Basically Azura's Wrath with more filler. if they trimmed the fat out of it, i'd gladly bump it to an 8/10
>>733853667copy E33
>>733853823XV is the best offline game since X, cope. XIIIs are all trash.
>>733853667Final Fantasy X-1 which takes place between X and X-2.In this manner, I will insist against any objection that X-2 represents the number twelve. Final Fantasy X-2 is Final Fantasy Twelve. X-1 will be Final Fantasy Eleven.When we make an X-3, it will be spoken of as though it was the only Final Fantasy Thirteen.
>>733853667Someone needs to send him an indian to stab him, this guy is genuinely mentally ill.
>>733861087No-one gives a shit nor ever talks about the gameplay in turn-based games. No-one cared nor talked about BG3's gameplay, Persona 5's gameplay, E33's gameplay, etcetera. Hell, there's practically 3 total gameplay webms of BG3 posted on /v/ since its existence. Turn-based games are not even interesting to the people who play them. Which is why they only talk about the characters and stories 98% of the time.
>>733853667>Medieval high fantasy>Colorful, chibi, soulful art style and character design>Less focus on anime-realism, more children's fables inspiration>ATB or entirely turn based>Less le bad is maybe le good>Make the story a straightforward one where some fucked up villain performs unspeakable acts over a kingdom merely because they are evil assholes, with a group of protagonists fighting entirely due to being pure of heart and adhering to a moral code>Less focus on spectacle outside the finale, more focus on small moments and character growth throughout the adventureBasically, Bravely Default but not shit.
>>733853667>started with 7, hasnt played the classics>OG fan
>>733859178FF8 is scientifically designed to make you hate the protagonist
>>733861087I swear they only like the game because it has parries
>>733861087>>E33 comes out and everyone dick sucks dudes standing in a line gameplayAnd how does that make you feel?How does the fact that people dickride such a mediocre game with nothing to say for itself make you feel?How does the fact that this game is getting praised for being a turn based game, despite the fact that it has action gameplay like dodge and parry slop in it as the core of the gameplay?Dont you see how fucked this world is, man?
>>733863050>All those fine women>Picks the dog fucker Squall my boy what the fuck are you doing
>>733860280>I'd just go back to turn based JRPGs since no one is really making them anymoreshut up retard holy shit everyone is making this garbage over and over again
>>733856105Go start a familyWhere's your kids Anon
>>733861087Actual RPG fans either like or don't mind turn based. It's all the actionfaggots who only play online shooters that moan when they can't slam buttons to make shit happen.
>>733863217He has terrible taste, the outfit didn't clue you in?
>>733862667> make FF watered down Paper Mario with realistic graphics and half assed writing presented like a hollywood movieno thanks I want actual FF back, E33 is nothing like a FF game aside from being turn based >>733862981>Basically, Bravely Default but not shit.since fucking when is BD bad, its got its faults but its been a better FF game than any of the mainline games and despites normal faggots like the guy in the OP would want, its what FF should push towards instead of E33
>>733853667You can skip all of this*I've played nearly all the games and I think this guy is retarded but they did fuck up on Red in rebirth.I think Final Fantasy as a series had the most cohesion for 5 games, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9,. (with 10 being the closest without exactly being in line with all of them)Go look at the complaints for 8, 1, 2, 3 and to a lesser extent 10, actually go through and dissect them and they largely make up where this cohesion breaks between games. 2 and 8 have more in common than 8 and 7 gameplay wise, which is confusing and upsetting for an older audience but I don't think they're wrong for feeling that way, not everyone needs to give everything a chance.People keep trying to make sense of FF like that guy and fail because they're looking at 5 games of a franchise made up of 60 or so (non gacha) games with a large portion of the games just being entirely different from each other. 1 by itself is completely different from anyhting the franchise has to offer so I think it shouldn't just stay within those bounds but it should experiment or do things differently like it's doing now.Skip ends here*Anyway, all that to say I think they should basically do what they're already doing but release a second ongoing end of the franchise that appeals to the core fans of those 5 games (with 10's influence being the upper limit of how it's stretched). Call it final fantasy -1 or something.That's it.
>complains about anime profile pictures when talking about final fantasy lmao
>>733863425I refuse to believe that the people who think FF should move toward E33 have played more than two FF games at best. They have incredibly little in common yet this retarded argument keeps persisting from a specific crowd.
>>733863532>but they did fuck up on Red in rebirth.How so? like, i understand not liking the voice, but to say it ruined red or something is just shitposting at this posint
To me abandoning the class systems and somewhat unique fantasy feel of these games in favor of fujo pandering made me stop giving a shit.
>>7338536671. give it bright colorful worlds that are memorable like the classics with a heavy ephasis on aesthetic beauty.2. give it a variable battle system like FF12 had where you can play single-player action or turn off all gambits to micro-manage your party in a more traditional JRPG style. 3. Make characters and their costumes attractive again. Fuck fuglies and fuck Sweetbaby. They don't buy these games. 4. Return to the anime style. This should be a no-brainer. Japanese anime is the #1 form of popular cartoon on the whole planet. It works with Dragon Quest, and would work with Final Fantasy.5. fuck graphical realism. Zelda Tears of the Kingdom sold over 22 million copies with graphics that are comfy with no emphasis on realism whatsoever. TAKE A FUCKING HINT. Stop making Japanese RPGs look like western grimdark action games. 6. SELL THE GAMES TO THOSE WHO BUY GAMES, NOT TO PROFESSIONAL COMPLAINERS WHO DON'T BUY GAMES BUT GET OFF ON IMPOSING THEIR WILL ONTO EVERYONE.
>>733863635I think the voice is unfortunately an extension his character that was being established and switching between voices so freely was very strange and made him come off as somewhat manipulative?it was a very strange choice, I'm not sure why they did it or what the point was but it left a very bad taste in my mouth.
>>733855868>The chocobo sage is based and I haven't played the remake/rebirth crap but I was about to post how he's probably actually the last living Cetra and I looked up what they did to him in this nu-FFVII shit and it has made me incredibly fucking angry. Everything they do since AC shits on the original game and they have no idea why it was so fun or popular I fucking hate Square so goddamn muchDUDETHE CHOCOBO SAGEIS JUST AN OLD FART THAT FORGET THINGSITS JUST A JOKE, WITH FUNNY MUSIC PLAYING IN HIS HOUSETHATS IT
>>733863714>5. fuck graphical realism. Zelda Tears of the Kingdom sold over 22 million copies with graphics that are comfy with no emphasis on realism whatsoever. TAKE A FUCKING HINT. Stop making Japanese RPGs look like western grimdark action games.Besides good combat, this is one of the big ones. People want comfy european fairytale, not californian cosplay convention.
>>733863714>give it bright colorful worldsI’d second this. Market has a severe lack of this and I think demand for it is increasing. Not a surprise that FF9 has been outperforming almost every other FF title in the last few years.
>>733853823i see you have been lucky and never encountered a zoomer ff fan whose first FF was XIII and refuses to play anything before that
>>733863849people like you can't see the apple
>>733863770>and switching between voices so freelyWell yeah its because it is a voice, you cant change voices?when he wants to be serious, impersonate or try to intimidate he uses the deep voiceagain, i understand not liking the voice, maybe people wanted something deeper and not so childish, ok, i get it, but the voice change or red itself is not ruined at all.
>>733864247Part of it is that it's such a drastically different voice, if it was his deep voice but slightly sillier, gentler or kinder I wouldn't have minded the change.
>>733854165>Especially 13 for some reason.Because FF13 was everything the west had for an entire generation.
>>733863714I think I agree with most of this.The only thing I'd add is don't be afraid to bring the budget down to something manageable so that you can have two teams working on game on a 3-4 year cycle, so we have a new FF game every 2 years. Decade long gaps between mainline games mean that you don't have any time to actually build familiarity and loyalty with new fans. Put out like 5 decent to good titles in a single 10 year period and you will have an active fanbase again.Square is not competing to be the benchmark for high quality graphics any more like they used to be. Look at other anime game devs like Falcom that have consistent output and use that graphical fidelity as a baseline to make sure you can get projects out on time, and then improve from there.
>>733864892budget is the biggest problem for everything. It's like companies are afraid to release lower budget games because it will lower their worth in the eyes of investors or something.
>>733853667OG FF was just wizardry for mongoloids
>>733864892I read not too long ago that kids aren't forming fandoms and attachments to games because one game in a series takes up their entire childhood. Imagine playing a game at the age of 5, and the sequel doesn't come out until you're 15. Are you gonna still give a shit then? Graphic standards are gonna have to take a hit if they're to build back the fan base with consistent releases. It works for Zelda and Pokemon. It'll work with FF and other IPs as longa s the gameplay and story-telling are good enough.
>>733865056Yeah it's really kinda silly. I feel like they can still market Kingdom Hearts as their next big huge budget game after FF7Remake is finished. And then lower the scale of other side projects. I'm sure that the majority audience wouldn't care that much.
>>733853667Fuck this dumb ass boomer. Stillbirth and demake are better than the OG games and the fucking sales show it. None of these faggots even played FF and everything pre 12 were dogshit for losers.
>>733865334Well Zelda seems to be falling into the same trap tbqh. I really wonder if they make a more traditional dungeon based Zelda game instead of big BotW open world experience if they'll still do Zelda numbers or see a huge dropoff since the fans of the old OOT/MM/WW/TP era of Zelda is so much older now.
>>733865506You're supposed to have a redditfrog attached to this dogshit bait post
>>733853823For better or worse no matter how shit you think something is, it will always have people who love it
this guys seems like an artificial eceleb. nothing about him seems natural or real
>>733853667Pretend everything starting with FFXIII didn't happen and RETVRN to the formula that made Final Fantasy great. Execute all XV subhumans.
>>733865604Nintendo cultists are extremely loyal so they'll buy anything at any age. I don't think a more traditional formula Zelda will do badly either way the casuals who got in with the Ubisoft formula games will probably try it out because of the name
>>733853667They have to move on from the Staggering System. That shit has overstayed its welcome
>>733862568It's absolute shit even compared to Stranger of Paradise, which is a better FF despite not being mainline.
>>733866021They should put something like SMT Press Turn
I started with FFI on the NES back in 1990. What the fuck am i then
>>733855551Indeed, he's now an actual homosexual and interracial supporter, my man ;)
>>733865948they're all artificial now. The jews found another avenue to wring their hands with
>>733865334Been saying this for a while, it's good that it's finally being acknowledged but you just know the solution will be AI to churn more slop out that runs worse without looking any better instead of just reining in fidelity.
>>733853667For 20 years straight, Final Fantasy fans have been gaslit that no one wants turn-based combat.That it will never sell.That they’re wrong for even wanting it.Expedition 33 destroyed that lie in a single day.
>>733867750close the drawer you ugly ass fuck
>>733853823XV fans exist and they acknowledge the flaws of the game and enjoy it anyway.16 has this group of YoshitPiss golems that have a permanently shifting goalpost where every failure of the game they auto damage control.
>>733853667kiniro mosiac bros, how do we respond without sounding mad?
>>733867750>For 20 years straight, Final Fantasy DEVELOPERS have been gaslit that no one wants turn-based combat.FTFY. Bravely Default and Octopath games were decently popular for the small projects they were. But main FF developers have somehow convinced THEMSELVES that fans want the games like XV and XVI.
>>733867919They acknowledge that it was horrible and should've been cancelled?
>>733863532Aside from FF2 killing players constantly for actually trying to play the game, there was an attempt to specifically level up what was most useful to that person. First, this led to new things being ridiculously weak because they weren't used enough to level them up. More importantly, it led to stats actually going down if the game thought you didn't need them. Imagine finishing a fight in FF1 and your stats decrease. That was dropped as fast as possible.
>>733853667The only dignified thing you can do with it now is kill it.Kill it quickly and quietly. No fanfare. No ceremony. Just get it done.The series has been an absolute joke since 8 onwards.
>>733867750Bravely Default and Persona 5 and Dragon Quest 11 showed the world that turn based combat is popular long before E33 did.
>>733868375They're right that Devil May Cry is fun enough to take a lot from. Their biggest failing is that they can't actually make a Devil May Cry and their attempts are painful.
>>733866398Based.
>>733868375They haven't, there's concern for the future. FF's fanbase is aging in a hobby where people will eventually phase out. It's a death sentence for the future. So in an attempt to capture younger audiences they think this will help it.
>>733870367the core concept was to let get rid of archetypes and let you play the game however you wanted, this was followed up on by FF8 that essentially did the same thing just in a less confusing way while still being confusing.
>>733853667New single player game with multiplayer option, playing style of 7 remake, explorable map, hidden items and secret characters, multiple options to beat a boss, some bosses can be recruited, multiple love interests ( gooner bait), and mutiple endings.So yeah, basically a Baldurs Gate 3 clone with some FF mechanics.
>>733853667Unironcially get team ninja to work on the next final fantasy game, strangers of paradise is more FF than anything in the past decade just about.
>guy loves OG FF>FF12 is the worst in the series according to him but /v/ loves itHe got filtered by gambit clearly
>>733853823I don't hate 16, I think it's a step in the right direction if we're going to keep pursuing an action based FF, but I understand why many people do not like it. but it and the FF7's are mechanically much more enjoyable than XV, though I wouldn't be upset if SE pivoted back to turn based titles.
>>733853667I think you have to be the very definition of cattle id you genuinely think ff7 remake or ff13 are “bad” rpg games in comparison to the original older ff titles. I was with this guy thinking it was “funny” until he posted red xiii smiling as an argument. Who the fuck argues with shit like this? Theres no substance. He is the same as the very people he is ridiculing, shallow and dishonest.Why is OP hell bent on showing me this shitty rage engagement bait?
>>733853823Yes. Both games are good in their own right.
>>733853823Just as there are Fallout fans who only played 3 and 4, and just as there are Baldur's Gate fans who only played 3, there are players who only discovered Final Fantasy after 15 or 16.
>>733859474Funny how you know who it is.
>>733863770Because in the original Japanese of OG when he’s revealed to be a teenager at Cosmo, his way of speaking changes entirely to reflect how young he is. And in Rebirth he code switches anyway depending if he wants to narrate something or around others.
>>733870938It added freedom, but only by taking away basics like character individuality. Squall clearly uses a sword and his limit breaks are about hitting people with a sword. You can't give him two shields and watch his strength stat go down. 3 actually did something very similar to 2 where it didn't care which person did what. The important innovation was that it would explicitly ask the player which class a person should use, like the class selection in FF1.
>>733871457I'm pretty sure that's mentioned in the english version too because I remember that being said but that could mean a lot of things.Like changed for cosmo canyon and changed back later or sounded different but not entirely different, etc
>Turn based versus action is a false dichotomy. You can have games like FFVII Remake where no one really complains all that much about the gameplay (just the Ubisoft towers, padding, censorship, butchered story, etc) You can also have games like FFXVI, except the problem wasn't the combat per se, just the lack of party members and myriad other issues that made it feel more like Devil May Cry than anything else.>Stop with the censorship. Period>Stop with the dumb fucking endings as seen in FFXV and FFXVI. I don't play Final Fantasy games for shit like this. And no, FFX doesn't count, so don't even try to use that as an example. That shit had an uplifting ending too in the post credits, with or without the direct sequel. >MMO-tier combat is the actual fucking cancer, as seen with games like FFXII. Keep that shit relegated to FFXIV (the latter of which is more enjoyable than the former, I might add). >FFXII tried to reinvent the wheel way more than FFXVI, and it suffered for it. Yes, I will die on this hill. >Make it turn-based or make it action-oriented, I don't give a fuck. But stop making everything so fucking BORING. If the magic/summoning system puts me to sleep like FFIX/FFXII, I don't give a shit about how memorable the music is. I'd rather deal with the cancerous Junctioning system than that garbage>This is more of a problem that the earlier FF's had, but STOP INTRODUCING PLAYABLE CHARACTERS IN THE LAST ACT OF THE GAME. >Stop with the fucking censorship. >It's too late for this one, but I Wish they would stop abusing One-Winged Angel and the Sephiroth fight at the end of every FFVII Remake. What the fuck are they going to do at the end of the REborn 3, Lifestream or Die Hard? Play One-Winged Angel even louder? Play the Thrash™ version? It's so fucking stupid. Too late to close that Pandora's Box now though. >If I need to reach through of indexes and codices to figure out what in the actual FUCK is going on with your story (FFXIII) you fucked up
Animefag here. I have hated every FF after 12. They're DOGSHIT.Square Enix are literal retards.
>>733871213I honestly don't even see what's so dramatic about this. Different people grow up on and form connections with different things. Those games aren't even inherently bad, just different takes. They're not exactly my preferred titles either, but things change over time. What defines FF as a franchise has been increasingly shaky since 7 anyway.
>>733871664>You can also have games like FFXVI, except the problem wasn't the combat per seThe clearest problem in FF16 were that moves were on cooldown timers because they were expected to be dumped when an enemy was staggered. If it actually copied DMC, it would be more liked.
>>733853667>final fantasy fans>giving a shit about tolkein fantasyyeah this guy doesn't know shit about final fantasy
>>733872019Good point
>>733853823people REALLY want to like final fantasyfollowing those trailers was an experience on its ownand despite it all, people do find the cast compelling and the idea of traveling with your bros fun its just the game itself and the script itself was a mess
>>733872143i mean final fantasy xv specifically
>>733871086I wouldn't say loved by /v/ it's still pretty divisive
>>733867750play World of Final Fantasyor just switch to Bravely Default or Octopath Traveler
>there are people in this thread that liked FFXwhat a wild world
>>733872143That's a fair point. I want to add that a lot of those trailers were for Versus 13, which was a completely different game with a different director. The assumption was that 15 would be as good as the imagined Versus 13. When it wasn't, some people just decided it was good enough.
All they had to do for FFXVI (for me) was:>add playable party members like your brother and Shiva >make the middle not a boring slog in terms of story and pacing>Change the ending to not be shitAnd it would have been the next great Final Fantasy. I agree that it was a step in the right direction, but there were so many missteps as well. And I fear that many complaints/criticisms from the fans were taken in the wrong way and/or were completely unwarranted altogether, and now Square-Enix is just going to overhaul and so something entirely different, which may or may not be a good thing. But I'm not holding my breath, because whenever these companies decide on doing something radically different, it never ends well.
I didn't buy 16 because there were no party members.It's not Final Fantasy without party members.Also I thought Game of Thrones was gay so there's that, too.
>>733872804GoT is very good, until it isn't. shame the books will never be done because GRRM is more interested in showbiz
>>733872804I'm not going to convince you to buy it because you can do what you want. I'll just stay it stops being anything like Game of Thrones in the beginning and turns into Dragon Ball Z.
>>733871664In actuality the only true way to stop people from censoring their games is to stop multiple governments like the UK, France, USA, even Japan, from passing censorship laws to media that was once even okay for children to consume back in the day. Not gonna happen cause we don't have power over parents, we can't even stop digital id laws from happening cause of shitty overprotective parents.
>>7338715838 simplified the system but the idea of both systems was about playing at your own pace and how you wanted, they both had the same philosophy but 8 was an improvement because it kept you from getting 'stuck' becuase your characters had essential tools like the weapons and limit breaks, switching your gfs and junctions that wasn't guaranteed in FF2.In FF2 you had freedom but you could essentially soft soft lock yourself by playing wrong so you'd have to go back and redo your charactersFF3 job flexibility allowed for different builds but still wanted you to work within the bounds of established archetypes but 8 and 2 made it personalized both in builds and gameplay by changing the way exp and leveling is handled entirely.
>>733853667FF XVII Online, a new mmo, but a good one without all the flaws and jank of XIV. Good marketing and most important an actual good story and gameplay on the beginning of the game. XIV is on the decay, only the most loyal full of sunken cost fallacy remains playing, it's high time that they release the next money maker. XIV fans will naturally all go to the new one because it's the natural thing to do, and the game will be able to capture new players, something that XIV cannot do nowadays.
>>733873942meant to link>>733871583accidentally added an 8 when I was saying '8 simplified'
>>733873498It also sucks ass so there's that, too.
>>733867750The funny thing is all they did was turn the combat into Tales of combat and these retards think Remake and Rebirth are the next coming of Christ in JRPG combat
>>733874585I don't think you've played Tales, either the old style on a line or the newer ones.
>>733861087is the ff of the zoomers, and a very shitty if I have to say.
>>733853667IV, VI, and IX are still the worst FF titles.
>>733872615Write a 200 word essay as to why you believe it's not good.
>>733853823Well, I did give FF16 a genuine fair shake and played it for 20 hours. But yeah, the game really is just rather miserable to play.
>>733871086watched his stream and unironically yeah, it doesn’t help that the story is pretty as compared to what we have before.
>>733872143i played 9 recently with moguri mod and made me remember with I love ff so much and why im so fucking angry at square enix for not giving us a good FF in a long fucking while.
>>73387108612 isn't a good game as a whole.>Messy OST>Half baked combat system (attempted to lift it from 11)>Vaan and Penelo>Spend more time scrounging through gutters and caves than taking part in the main story>Villain disappears for 90% of the storyThe rest of the cast is top tier beyond the aforementioned two, the story is great yet not presented well, and the combat HAD potential but they didn't know how to translate a multiplayer system to a single player setting.
>>733871619Yeah it’s mentioned. But I mean the way the Japanese sentences are structured changes completely to show how young he talks after the reveal. This is what Rebirth is playing off of.
>>733875915I forgot to mention that 12 is a fucking beautiful game, arguably the best looking PS2 title made, and you can't go wrong with the Ivalice setting.
>>733875893Square Enix is not Squaresoft. That's probably just best to keep in mind while playing this franchise.
>>733875915>>733875987BASCH LIVES
>>733853667announce that no more final fantasys will ever be made, stop milking nostalgia on the old ones, close down the square enix store and no longer sell anything related to final fantasy
>>733875961The english translation was so different that the game is essentially split between what english speaking fans think and what jp fans think anyway, so it's not surprising.
>>733853667Holy shit that mutt is vile
>>733863384Just because I like turn based doesn't mean I want to play the same game over and over.
>>733863532The fact that they keep changing the combat is actually what I like about the series.
>>733853667FF has always been the gayest fucking shit imaginable.
>>733854005I don't know why the thread continued after this
>>733853667>he says all this while playing 12Larping
>>733859883A hobbit. You just want to get comfy and play video games, not battle it out on the plains of twitter over some self-declared righteous clause.
>>733853667old good new bad donat patrön thx
>>733878489Kingdom Hearts was actually the gayest fucking shit imaginable, FF used to hold that title before KH came along.
>>733868375I hate this narrative that people play out that Square Enix thinks turn based won't work anymore. It had nothing to do with the viability of turn based, and EVERYTHING to do with them thinking the game felt more cinematic and impactful when you were in control of the action directly. They weren't trying to appease the FF community, they were trying to win over the God of War community. Hence Yoshi-P hyping up the roller coaster story, and playing the "JRPGs are discriminatory, why can't it all just be RPGs" card because he wanted the GoW gamers to not get scared off by the JRPG branding.If FF wants to make another turn based game they will. They just need to decide if their strategy is to keep trying to reach out for Western audiences, or to rebuild their JRPG identity.
>>733853667>bruh I'm so OG FF fan>I'm OG FF not like those new age scrubs that like FF7R>I haven't play FF1-2-3-4-5-6-8-9-10-12-13>I have only played FF7, 14, 15, 16 but I'm so OG bruh>FF14-15-16 sucks you know but FF7 that's a game>I'm so OG bruhhhhh
>>733861087E33 is freemason slop, only reason why it's "popular"
>>733878982Good approach. Don't know how these guys all bordering on 40 still having these tired old debates about a franchise they fell out of love with over 20 years ago. Guess the clicks are still decent.
>>733853667Damn, he's still grifting on FF dooming discourse?
>>733853667you remake FF6, but not in some 20 year plan but a proper game similar to xenoblade or E33 since they sell
>>733853667just... make ff4-10 with better graffix? maybe movement in combat? It doesn't really seem impossible.
>>733881694good post
>>733865948I was thinking something similar. I don’t really have a strong opinion of him since I haven’t really checked his videos. But what I’ve seen, and OP post in particular, he seems really performative idk why.
>>733875915>>73387572312 has a better story than 8 surely though, the orphanage shit is irredeemable considering Irvine and really served no purpose besides a dumb twist to make everyone have a connection with the witch.
>>733853667is this mark pliers brother?
>>733854326>>733854526Lmfao
>>733883912I enjoy FFVIII but outside of Squall the entire cast consists of sub 80iq utter imbeciles.Also Raijin and Fujin might genuinely be the worst people in all FF, at least Seifer was mind fucked by the sorceress.
>>733853667Damn, this guy is based as f- wait, what's wrong with anime?
>>733854393>Dunno how he got popularBy dropping facts. Maybe if you watched one of the comparison videos instead of being a whiny FF7 Demake fanboy you'd know LMAO
>>733874585Tales of is generally successful with the RPG/Fighting game hybrid by constantly looking like a normal RPG, but letting the players do long air combos showing off their moves. FF15 fails at these basic things.
>>733863635What criticism of these games would you not call shitposting?
>>733853823I really enjoyed 15. It was genuinely good up until the end. Story was massively improved over 13 in that it was just average, and the gameplay was pretty decent, but the vibe? Immaculate. Hanging with the backstreet boys was a really good experience.
>>733885385Oh, but 8 is still the best in the series.That was half shitpost, but my genuine unfiltered dogshit opinion is that 8 has the best soundtrack by far.
>>733854041Indeed Anon. It is good to see another ancient roaming around.
>>733883465Made this FF whining thing his whole persona now so he has to lean into itI suspect hes probably just another bitter idiot who fooled himself into believing 7R was going to be the greatest thing ever conceived and got a reality check
>>733886009But it is the greatest thing ever. Retards just refuse to accept it because of nostalgia.
Ngl anons, I just want my 4 dudes in a line with some type of job based system in place. Never really been a fan of ARPGs. I like my flashy moves that take stupid amounts of time to do that you can’t really put into a real time fight.FF7 Remake is pretty close to a decent mix between real time and turn based combat, but it needs something akin to FF12 gambits to work properly so the AI doesn’t shit itself
>>733853667>old good>new badJesus Christ. Fuck off already with this low IQ take.
>>733882061>Damn, he's still grifting on FF dooming discourse?Yeah. He would otherwise instantly fall straight back into complete obscurity, because he has nothing else to offer other FF dooming and FF hatred.A normal person would just admit to himself that he is not a fan of the franchise (anymore) and move on, but most FF haters are simply not normal people.
>>733853823I liked 16 but not enough to play the DLC and I doubt I'll ever replay it. It's fine though.
>>733853667Its identity crisis is entirely self-inflicted. I agree that it can't just keep recycling the gameplay of PS1-era FF forever, but the question that needed to be asked was "how do we make the turn based gameplay more interesting".Also, they need to stop trying to score woke points and go full otaku pandering. SE was one of THE otaku pandering studios at its peak; they defined a lot of the anime tropes that are still in common use today. That's how they became such a beloved brand. Get back to that and give zero winks or nods to the freaks. And while we're at it, someone needs to send SE Asia the memo that women with blue hair and nose rings are social pariahs that are artificially elevated by our subversive institutions. You can't appeal to westerners by hiring the kinds of people who are causing westerners to abandon western entertainment.
you literally can not prove this man wronghttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/Z81hQF8Z-zAhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/boNl0n_-OU4(couldnt find the youtube version of this one) https://www.tiktok.com/@sebbywebz/video/7541493057842089223https://www.youtube.com/shorts/P3eOFRg3k2khttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/5LUtJOGACOYhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/F9OU3OU-wOghttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/im2zK6Aunaghttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/WzYWhh0kaywhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/VYy52-DOvhQhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/bJ-b0tf-T20https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ipywn6h3Lw8>>733884662https://www.youtube.com/shorts/t_I2bmDFK0I>>733863532https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sc0c_fK5nW0
>>733864892games like octopath and bravely default fulfill that role of "budget RPG with a relatively short dev cycle" that you're talking about, and they performed just fine for what they are. I don't understand why square still continues to give FF the treatment it does when it's evident that the lack of regular releases for the series results in interest dwindling at the same rate that the millennial fans that played the SNES/PS1/PS2 releases either move on from FF, gaming as a whole or just pass away
>>733887006old FF fans got a really good game like every single yearwe now get shitty games once every like 5 yearsold is literally better
>>733863576Normalfags need to be studied on how anything that isn't JJK is too "anime" and weeby for them.
Scuffed Markiplier
>>733853667Bring Sakaguchi back make it look like Amano's concept art.
>>733863576>>733887924oh, are we pretending like "people" with anime profile pictures arent retarded trannies now? that the issue with the statement is that "its anime" and not the type of "person" behind that type of profile picture?
>>733875915I fucking wish FFXII fucking tried emulating FFXI combat it would have been so much better and would have been herald as one of the all time best playing games in the series if it did. Its such a surface level take to compare the two beyond being menu based combat.You dont have skill chains or magic bursts, tp management, enemy tp management, volatile hate. Stuff like positioning mechanics would be too hard to do and would have needed to be cut but there's so much depths and layers to FFXI combat that could have been possible to translate in a single player setting with the gambit system.What the FFXII model needed was more games to explore its systems and mechanics. By comparison, FF4 was the first game to introduce ATB but when you really think back on all the games that features ATB its probably the weakest game on a mechanical level. But you got like 6 games to explore its depth and layers over time to build its legend as a classic system. SE has just gone full retard now and doesn't know what direction they truly want the series to be.
>>733887984sakaguchi is too busy playing ff14
Why don't people like ff12? I think its almost a perfect video game and definitely the one I come back to the most. I'll admit the setting and rich, living world do a lot of heavy lifting though.
>>733875915>Vaan and PeneloThey have the best stats in the game lol
FF VIII was the first modern FF
>>733888192Ok retard go back to twitter
>>733887687I did want a 1 to 1 remake but I still think they're good games even though they aren't 1 to 1.If you know anything about how SE treats FF you'd know they'd never make a true 1 to 1 FF7 remake, it's the kind of thing where if you were paying attention you wouldn't be surprised but if you only came back for Remake you'd be pretty mad.
>>733853823So where does OG end and Classic begin?
>>733853823Barry still defends FF15 and Forspoken (because that slop was made by the FF15 team) to this day
>>733867919>XV fans exist and they acknowledge the flaws of the game and enjoy it anyway.all the damage control saying "THIS WAS ENGINEERED BY FF14 FANS" whenever someone trashes FFXV say otherwise, Barry
>>733892842>inb4 someone cherry picks the rufus fight in ff7
>>733893142oh yeah, the clip that is halfway through the Rufus fight
isekai final fantasy with romance options
>>733884983Link it then, faggot
>>733888282FF4's strength is having a ton of characters who serve distinct job roles. You can identify the paladin, dragoon, bard and ninja among others. I'd rather have that than something like FF13 where it just doesn't matter.
>old final fantasy>excellent genre defining instant classic every year or two. even the worse ones were still extremely unique and ambitious>new final fantasy>garbage slop for retards that chases western trends every five or six years, and a bad wow clone that’s almost exclusively played by transsexual pedophile degenerates
>>733854041When Maplestory first came out here I stayed home while my parents went to visit family. I was left completely alone for a whole week at 15 and just played Maplestory like 20 hours a day. Great memories.
>>733853667Go back to Lightning returns and start from there. Game is absolutely fantastic gameplay wise, just give it the FF16 treatment and you get a great game.
>>733857371I am still shocked that the mmo team, that has a game with a ton of different jobs, did not allow you to change Clive's job. It was such an easy decision to make, so I have to assume that they did not include it out of spite.
>>733890672and thats why it fails and why people hate it.
>>733893856the combat that the game actively disincentivizes you from playing is fantastic*everything else was terrible
>>733853667Millenials are so fucking exhausting dudet. millenial
>>733866021Fuck you, nigger. I like stagger.
>>733866021At least it's something.FF15 had no stagger and look at how boring (and easy) that game was
Well I appreciate that he called remakefags what they are but still kill yourself for posting this.
>>733888282>You dont haveThat's the point, it is the framework of the FFXI combat system but they left out the core mechanics. The Gambit system is amazing but the actual buttons you press and things you do during combat are boring as fuck because of all the missing features and mechanics.
>>733894048It heavily incentivizes fighting a lot since you get your time stop powers refilled from fights and killing an enemy enough creates a super-charged version of them with amazing item drops.
>>733894992>and killing an enemy enough creates a super-charged version of them with amazing item drops.and stops them form spawning for the rest of the loop
>>733872615i still remember seeing commercials for it on tv when i was like 10 and thinking wow this looks absolutely retarded, and i still feel that way
>>733895074>kill something called The Last Gwimbly >there are no more Gwimblies >WOOOOOW HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW
>>733895502DA LATHT GWIMBLY
>>733895502I always have to assume that everyone that is not me are DPS levels of retards
>>733893856It's funny, I actually sat through XIII and XIII-2 in full yet I never bothered with LR.
>>733888613If the majority of the cast had developed backstories it would probably be a favorite. FFVI through FFVIII did a good job of having unique origin stories for the main characters and flashing back to them and having them be relevant to the plot. FFIX had a good backstory for Zidane, but even though they didn't flashback to his childhood he still had vague memories of Terra that he aluded to and it was fine because it was still extremely relevant to the overall plot. Vaan and Penelo just being there genuinely takes away from the game in a major way. Even if we say that the main character is Ashe or Basch, I think it's fundamental that we get some good flashbacks into their lives and shit or at least a conversation about how they grew up and how they came to be the person we see. The plot is also hard to follow if you do the million sidequests in between cutscenes instead of saving them for the end. It's harder to follow if I don't give a shit about the cast and people moving forward the plot which FFXII failed to make me do.
