guys i think the flower is hapstablook, hes missing and this is the only place he could be
>>733864281mhm.
>>733864281The whole idea that Flowey is Asriel means that Asriel is lying to us or he has a split personality or something. We've never seen any magic shapeshift monsters into flowers and if Asriel is Flowey on top of everything he has going on in the story that just gives him too many powers and too much importance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcSMaGoNVO0
The PRQQFNVKE that convinced millions.
>>733864026Yeah she runs faster than them and Susie stops you to talk multiple times even if you go straight there
>>733864543holy kek
>>733864543see the joke here is that Asriel is a character that Undertale pulls out of its ass at the last minute and not an already established character who's had a separate well-defined role since Act 2
>>733864543Why do people think Alphys is hiding something insane? She literally acts normal, maybe a bit annoying but that's it
>>733864026Noelle>should literally be the fastest person in hometown due to being in her high school prime in the cross country team>kris shitting himself, using all of his strength, to have her shut up (during weird route) is stopped PURELY because shes strong enough to casually move his hand>meaning she can realistically carry undyne to the bunker while running>burgerpants is a loser fast food employee and literally blinks across the screen faster than our protagonists
>outright refuses to wear the Shadow Mantle>inexplicably asserts that "it's for someone... taller"What did she mean by this?
>>733863534>The knight is just REALLY good at hiding OKAY?>She explicitly did not get a good look at them>The Knight is part of the conspiracy and likely acting on the mastermind's (Carol's) orders.Go ahead and form a case on the knight then like I asked>>733863831>Susie has been established as a truth device who gives honest feedback on what's going on to point us in the right direction such as using the clues on the shelter panel to find the knight's identity>This means she's actually just retarded and we should never take anything she says seriously>>733864026Noelle is free to move as early as we see her go into the kitchen and as late as we see Kris outside the holiday house. In both cases Noelle can take a walk to the church using the normal route and she has enough time to make the fountain without even running even though she's the only character that has been established to be a fast runner
>>733864281any guesses on who the royal knight is?
>>733865289The hesitant way she says this seems like she knows what she's saying is bullshit
>>733864870Asriel is hinted at as soon as you get to Home and then again in Waterfall. It's one of those things you're supposed to look at during a replay and go "OHHHHH"
>>733865152this is what i come here for
>>733865378Umm how does Undyne appear in front of Frisk after we literally run past her? Did she take the secret Undyne tunnel? 2 knight deniers are literally retarded, this logistical problem debunks UndyneKnight completely>>733864923No she's just RETARDED and nothing she says has any relevance to the plot ever, she's literally a joke character anyway. What's next? You're gonna tell me she has a secret lab under her lab? LMAO
>>733865152So you're implying Noelle is stronger than a character who can bench press a car.
>>733864281Hapstablook flowerers are the only sane people in the fandom, btw. It's as obvious as tobi being obito
>>733865850No, only Asgore and maybe Carol would be able to subdue Undyne in the light world.I'm going off the assumption that Undyne was frozen before being taken into the Light World. I'm explaining my reasoning on why Noelle can haul her body across town while running away from the heroes in the first place.
>>733838320While looking for the sauce, r*dditors are insane, well, a lot of the westerns are just like thatthe pics you uploaded are so simple, cute, but simple and the meltdown (even here) is amazing
I wonder if this is what trying to solve Umineko felt like during its release. I can only assume that this must be way stupider since the majority pick is treated as completely undeniable without even offering solid reasoning.
>jobs so ludicrously hard that it shapes the very discussions of the fandom for almost a year
>>733866272It might have been even worseFor each chapter of umineko was larger and how do you filter what are direct hallucinations or misinterpretations from the narrative to the reader without any real anchor?All for the author to make a tantrum and fuck the ending because people actually figured it out despite the hardships
>>733865360>Noelle was just pretending to be very upset about the confrontation between Susie and her mother>Carol was just pretending to be angry with Noelle"Everyone is just pretending," classic hallmark of a dogshit theory, welcome back Kris KnightAnd of course it doesn't make sense anyway because Susie left first and would have seen Noelle leave! Whoops!
>>733866303What took her so long? Wasn't she itching for shit to pop off in town?
>>733866303>lightners in dark worlds are already the strongest beings there, the moment they enter>even dustners like gerson are insanely powerful >berdly 1v3s, then 1v2s, then gets mindcontrolled into tanking 1v3 all within the same day despite being a giant weak nerd in the light world>susie, a strong girl, is miles ahead of kris/ralsei in terms of stats and can even btfo ralsei's healing magic>undyne, a woman that can bench press fucking cars and accidentally shatter desks in half>not only gets NODIFFED NO RESISTANCE kidnapped like a little girl in the dark world>but is also SUBDUED and RESTRAINED in the light world, all across town and shoved into a bunker to be RAPED (narratively) for 3 more chapterswhat did toby mean by this
>>733864870Asriel is alluded since you see how maternal Toriel is and how she has a kid bedroom despite having no children around.That said, I like both Asriel and Flowey but I think the twist just brought both of them down.Flowey just being an unnatural soulless freak trying to understand life would have been enough for him.
>>733866504There's a back door that they intentionally show you via diagonal wall framing. Must mean literally nothing despite most other buildings in Hometown only having one entrance, Asgore's shop being the sole exception.
>>733865467It doesn't read as hesitant to me. It feels like she's saying it with conviction but doesn't know where that's coming from, or why she feels that way.
>>733866272>without even offering solid reasoningOh BROTHER
>>733866504The game has a scene in every chapter that explains how Noelle's mental process works and you somehow missed every single one
what do you guys expect out of the flowers?
>>733866921Nice bat/sword that is totally not easily obtainable by Noelle from her own house in the rooms literally within 5 second walking distance of where she sleeps
>>733866921When all you have is a bat, everything looks like a ball.
The only person other than Asgore who can beat Undyne is Carol.
>>733867258>not rudy
>>733866793There's a side door, there's not a side exit. There's only one path from the house to town where Noelle could take "the normal route," and it involves her passing the front door where Susie is already waiting for Kris.How does Noelle know it's time to make the fountain, by the way? Kris was told the fountain was supposed to happen "tonight," that was the plan. Susie and Noelle are together the entire time up until Susie leaves, so Carol having to explain the change in plans to Noelle when they actually enter the kitchen together restricts this window of bullshit even further.
>>733867258Why would the knight not simply swoon Undyne in the dark world are they retarded?
>>733867116Bro Noelle just took Dess's guitar from her room and played a little jingle for Kris at zero volume for funsies, can't you see, it's so obvious!
>>733867579The Knight is just the guitar with Dess's dust sprinkled on it
>>733867458>Undyne went willingly with the knight in the light worldNow that is interesting
>>733867452When you interact with that door it literally tells you it's an exit. Boundaries like our walkable paths only restrict us, the player. Noelle can easily cut through the woods. And all Carol has to do is scold Noelle for a few sentences before sending her on her way while we're outside discussing what happened and talking to Asgore. There's more than enough time for her to slip by Kris and Susie while they're sitting around talking. Susie even stops you as you're leaving to talk even more, and explicitly mentions that she can see Carol watching you from inside the house, meaning she's probably already talked to Noelle.
>>733867452Carol told her to go to the kitchen.Carol then ordered her to go make the church.Noelle left through either the door in the kitchen or the door that was explicitly mentioned to be an exit.Noelle took the normal route to church.And this is if we assume she can't take a shortcut and we run straight to church full speed btw. Even in the worst case for Noelle, she still has a headstart and plenty of time to make the fountain.We know Carol is done "scolding" her when she has Kris leave, even if we assume she went back in the kitchen to continue with her "scolding" we know she's done by the time we're outside because Susie mentions her watching us through the window.Not to mention Susie stops us a total of 4 times on our way to the church.Not to mention Noelle is the only character to be established as a fast runner, but that was just flavor text bro it didn't mean anything.
the secret boss of chapter 5 is papyrus
>>733867116>>733867579There's no actual baseball bat in Dess's room by the way. A huge pile of baseballs, but no bat.Noelle has a picture of Dess holding a cracked baseball bat on her computer, but it's not in her room. Weird! I wonder what happened to it?
The worst part is that every NoelleKnight nigger is gonna go "well, there were just as many signs of it being Noelle!" once it's inevitably revealed that Dess is the Knight, they'll never own up to their stupidity. I fucking hate NoelleKnight niggers, literally worse than suselleniggers, I wish I could skin every one of you worthless pieces of shit alive.
>>733866921Black Knife by Toby Fox
the secret boss of chapter 5 is the red flower (a rose) Asgore decided to keep away from the other flowers for whatever reason, standing in for the red soul
>>>/vg/go back
>>733867579>Bro Noelle just took Dess's guitar from her room and played a little jingle for Kris at zero volume for funsieswait do the people that think this is a shoe-in for dess knight, thinks shes whipping out a guitar and playing it as 0 volume?
>>733867458>are they retarded?Considering their end goal is to use the Roaring to do something very specific...yeah probably.
>>733867716>When you interact with that door it literally tells you it's an exit.No it doesn't, because you can't interact with it. It's behind the giant Christmas tree. Please play the game before you make up stupid bullshit.>>733867805"What if Noelle got sent the kitchen but then ran out of the kitchen past Asgore and Kris and to the back door on the the other side of the house" that didn't happen. You know that didn't happen, you played the game. Right?NoelleKnightfags were fun to entertain for a while but now you got cocky and you're turning into obnoxious shitposting retards like the RudyKnightfags. This is not a serious theory. Do you understand?
>>733868010>I fucking hate NoelleKnight niggers, literally worse than suselleniggersnoelle knight is inherently anti-suselle though, suselletroon
will chapter 5 be based????
>>733867880>posts a picture showing a bat that was clearly used to beat someone in Dess' room>>733868010Do you even see what you're saying? Noelle Knighters are totally fine with being wrong. How can you possibly find that more offensive than Dess Knighters treating anyone considering more options as retards? Have you even considered how your behavior might look if it ends up not being Dess?
>>733868303It will have canon suselle so no. Well, weird route will avoid suselle so I suppose you could consider ir partially based.
>>733868257Anon. The door next to the water bottle fridge. Go interact with it right fucking now.
>>733868306>doesn't know the difference between a wiffle bat and a baseball bat>can't even use his retarded eyes to tell the difference between a bat that's dented to fuck and the bat that the Knight pulls out
dess knighters speak like kris knighters, where they're convinced their theory is fact. i think ill put my money on noelleknighters here
>>733868306>Have you even considered how your behavior might look if it ends up not being Dess?The DessKnight crashout will be the funniest thing in the history of UT/DR
ALWAYS BET ON THE GREAT PAPYRUS KNIGHT
>the dess knighter is somehow losing the argument against a fucking noelle knighter
>>733868410Dess is always talked about with a wiffle bat. And why wouldn't it be beat to shit after being used in such an intense fight? Susie even cracks it herself when you win.
in the files its called a black knife tho
Every Dess knighter have their own Dess knight theory that's 99% made up bs like Dess is stuck in the code while her body is running around or she fell in the lake that makes you the knight or Gaster winged her ding or she's actually a ghost or zombie or she's conscious and the mastermind actually or she's actually just possessing people or she has Kris's soul inside her and her soul is in the code or the depths and she's in a secret plan with her mom to find or fix herself or she's like a half darkner or from the future or the past or she's like a bodybuilder or a hulking monster but also invisible or very hard to detect because she's just so good at sneaking around and also she has like shadow crystal armor or something but she's also made out of darkworld smoke goop slime but also she looks kinda normal in the light world somehow but no one recognizes it's her because she just slips away right at the last second and hides in closets all day and night but she's also possessed and controlled and half of her consciousness is in the knight body or something.Ask a room with 100 DessKnighters HOW Dess is the knight and you will get 100 different responses all ignore her established role in the story and open up new questions instead of explaining anything.>BUT THE BAT BRO SHE HAS A BAT BRO>BUT IT WOULD BE A MOTHER 3 REFERENCE BRO
>>733869139>Ask a room with 100 DessKnighters HOW Dess is the knight and you will get 100 different responses all ignore her established role in the story and open up new questions instead of explaining anything.this is a giga truthnuke
who would each think the knight is?
Noelle is not the Knight, but I understand why people have reached that conclusion. See, some people have realized, intuitively, that the Fun gang, or atleast some of the members of it, will fight Noelle in the future, problem is, they haven't actually realized how why this will happen. They think it has already happened, with Noelle being the Knight, but no, it hasn't, Noelle it not the Knight. But It will happen, and here is the reason:The final tragedy involves The Girl killing some of the heroes, it is likely that The Girl teams up with The Human to fight The Monster and The Prince, now, originally, The Girl was Susie, and The Monster was Noelle, but the conspiracy has made it so that the roles have switched, and Noelle is now The Girl, with Susie taking the place of The Monster. This is the whole point of the conspiracy, to craft a different intepretation of the prophecy so Noelle can be saved, and Susie will serve as the sacrifice. This is the reason why Noelle will fight the Fun gang. Well, actually, let's be honest, it's not gonna happen in the Normal route, there is no way Noelle would agree to it, Kris will probably change his mind too, but it will probably in the Weird route.
>>733869719>green niggadess knighter>cowboy niggathe rest of the knights, always interjecting green nigga's reasoning>plueypapyrus knighter
>>733869719Battat is a Carol Knighter.Jongler is a Dess Knighter.Pluey is a Noelle Knighter but you'd never know since he doesn't talk.
>>733869919If the final prophecy is instead something like "Fallen to the knight, the girl must lay" this would allow for:-The girl to be also the knight-The final prophecy to unfold without death and instead Noelle accepting the role that's given to her which is what Carol wants-The roaring to be averted without death while the Angel is still met with its desireThis is what I think Carol's plan is, but Susie getting in obviously ruins all that.This is also why Ralsei is so scared of the roaring, because he thinks Susie will die when it happens. I think Ralsei probably made a promise to keep Susie safe when they were alone together in CH2 which is why Susie puts most emphasis on Ralsei after seeing the final panel.Think about it, Susie learns she's a legendary hero in the prophecy only for that to mean she has to die.This also adds another layer on the CH4 ending if we think the caller is Noelle. The screen is split into two, pink and gold, as Susie mutters about not letting the final prophecy happening. Two girls who have crushes on each other are forced into roles that destine them to kill each other.
>>733870509An unused panel of the prophecy also implies that the "final tragedy" part is repeated, making this line central to the religion.Alvin mentions that there's no "sin" in their religion and yet both Toriel and Asriel know about "sinning" has anyone asked why there is no sin?My guess is because just like in Christianity, someone paid the price for everyone's sin, that being the girl in this case.Can you think of anyone with Christ symbolism? A girl... associated with crucifixion and thorns...
>>733868169please no, that place is full of fags, and there's actual discussion here
Godwyn is the Asriel of Elden RingChange my mind
>>733868624>Dess is always talked about with a wiffle bat.
>>733868424>play the game>look at the evidence>Kris Knight doesn't make sense>don't believe it>Carol Knight doesn't make sense>don't believe it>Noelle Knight doesn't make sense>don't believe it>Dess Knight makes sense>believe itWhat's so hard to understand here?
>>733871035Closer to Miquella.>we all thought he was dead>actually survived due to heretical means>lost his compassion and love>tries to usurp control of the world>obsessed or in love with his sibling
>Dess is characterized as a spoiled punk who treats objects objects with no regard and abandons hobbies left and right while her mom just buys her new things>Noelle is characterized as an extremely caring, prim and proper girl who has been established to play with Kris using all kinds of objects while making up stories for themI wonder which one of these made all those darkners
>>733871229Oh my bad. Forgot this line.
fact: dess knighters have no argument against the bibliox manifesting both in Kris's dark world and chapter 4's dark world
>>733869139>she's just so good at sneaking around she just slips away right at the last second and hides in closets all day and nightToby Fox wrote this line and put it into the game in two (2) different spots where The Knight made a Dark Fountain bro, I don't know what you want me to tell you
>Play the game>Look at the evidence>Noelle Knight makes sense>Believe it
>>733869719battat is a carol knighterjongler is an asgore knighterpluey is a papyrus knighter
>>733871594>a spoiled punk who treats objects objects with no regardYou mean like The Knight who smashes Tenna and kills Jackenstein for literally no reason>who has been established to play with Kris using all kinds of objects while making up stories for themYou're not gonna believe this
>>733871754But she's really bad at sneaking around. Kris just won't let me open the door.
After recalibrating my Pepe Silvia boards and jumping down a few extra rabbit holes (and one doe hole) I present you with my NEW unified master schizo Deltarune theory!>The identity of the main antagonist is not yet revealed. It's no one we know thus far, but someone who will be introduced in chapter 5. We won't know their true identity until chapter 6 though.>The Knight is Asriel. He has an important mission to fulfil, though is reluctant to don the armor. He based the look of the armor off of someone who gave him strength when he was younger. There are backdoors in the dark world that Asriel discovered when he, Dess and Kris had adventures there when they were younger. Noelle was too scared to go with them and shut it out as them playing pretend.>Kris is working with the knight tothwart the real agent of the main antagonist, Ralsei. Ralsei is lying about the prophecy, his princehood, and how the dark world works. He doesn't want to though and will be redeemed after self revealing his involvement to Susie>Dess Holidayis a big fat red herring. She "ran away" (ie. chimped out and left home) after a big fight with Carol, who may have disowned her just prior. Carol disapproved of her desire to be a musician and Dess' last words were that she would become a famous musician to prove her wrong. Noelle constantly searches the net trying to find information on Dess and her band but Dess hasn't made it big yet. She will come home in chapter 5, much to everyone's surprise.>Carol's plan has nothing to do with the dark world. The phone calls are misinterpreted by the fanbase. In the holiday house the words are all separated by ellipses (...) which is meant to imply that you can only hear some of the words being said. The blanks will be filled in during chapter 5. Kris is involved but the plot revolves around the town and their two families.cont.
>>733871749It's a book of hymns that Toriel presumably took from the church.What does that have to do with anything?
>>733871775what the bottom right sprite from?
>>733870889melty going on there lmao
>>733871979>The Knight is Asriel
>>733871754That line is deliberately put there to trick you the first time. Kris uses that to pull suspicion off Noelle because by the end of CH2, Noelle is our main suspect. If Kris can just keep you from opening the door why did the not pull the same trick back in CH2? You do realize these 2 scenes work AGAINST each other right?If Kris can keep you from opening the door, it would have been better for the knight to hide in the closet since them leaving opens up a logistical can of worms for the knight. This is Kris misleading you as to who the knight is as they have been established to do again and again.Which brings us to a good question:Why would Kris hide Dess being the knight in the first place? There's no stake to the player finding this out. No stake to Carol being the knight either. The only reveal that has actual stakes is Noelle because we can then go back and try to take control of her. Kris knows we can ruin her life so it's in their best interest to paint ANYONE ELSE as the knight including Carol and Dess.The same closet trick is repeated twice by the game to expose this actually, the scenes work against each other and you're expected pick up on this.
What if The Knight is The Knight?Think about it.
>>733871749its the book of hyms sitting on the table next to the couch
>>733871904You need to be illiterate to think this is Dess. Very convenient how the chapter where December is dropped left and right with the hard R is left out of this line specifically.If you're seriously going to say this is Dess I'll just disregard everything else you say because you're straight up just stupid.
>>733864281Unironically enough most people did think Flowey was Asriel, or at least most people predicted the plot twist regarding Toriel and Asgore at the very least. Undertale is a more straight forward game.
>>733868010>once it's inevitably revealed that Dess is the Knight, they'll never own up to their stupiditykrisknighters are the same way
>>733872436>Very convenient how the chapter where December is dropped left and right with the hard R is left out of this line specifically.And in the chapter entirely about Kris's childhood, Noelle doesn't get mentioned AT ALL!What does that tell you?
>>733870889is there really a difference
>>733864543That's funny but we never get Asriel dialogue until the end game.
>>733865378Sexy fish. That's who.
>>733871904He's talking about Noelle.https://deltarune.com/kris_dreemurr_kris/>>733872075>>733872384Why would two different people come up with the same darkner unless they had both internalized that character? Darkners are given there form by the fountain maker, it's not something inherent to them.
The Noelle Sakura theory made me draw this
>>733872318>Kris uses that to pull suspicion off NoelleKris is not writing Deltarune>If Kris can keep you from opening the doorKris does not decide when we can or cannot make them do things>Why would Kris hide Dess being the knight in the first place?Why doesn't Kris let us see their brother's room?
>>733872921Holy shit nice. Saved.
>>733866091Yeah just posting Chara and Frisk as adult woman causes meltdowns, especially there, but a true human enjoyer must go everywhere for his humans and sometimes you can find gold.
>>733866303This is why Knight is a weird freak with Kris's soul btw. This is the truth pill you must take to handle who the Knight is.
>>733872921Looks like shit, are you underage?
>>733866303>sansfags thinks hes going to be cool kater when undyne was done dirty like this
>>733867032To be like the human souls of Undertale, mainly a ballerina, a cowboy, a cook, etc. Faux family for Asgore.
>>733867643This only works if Asgore or the Mayor were outside and explained to her what's going on.
>>733871979>The lost girl is Susie. Susie was never suppose to be a part of the story, if she hadn't shown up then Kris and Noelle would have gone to the closet instead, as was originally planned. The "lost" aspect will be explained in the next few spoilers.>The guitar with the code did not originally belong to Dess. It was a gift from someone who is the true missing puzzle piece of the current story. The code was placed there by the original owner and Dess either doesn't know about it, or was told to keep it secret. It may even be the inspiration for her name because...>The true missing puzzle piece is Susie's family. Susie claims to be new to town, but that's either not entirely true, or true but with a caveat. Susie's family use to live in Hometown and were originally good friends of the Holiday family. Susie's mother or father was the original owner of the guitar and was involved with the mystery of the bunker. Events in the bunker caused a rift to form between the two families and forced Susie's family to leave on very bad terms with Carol. Susie was either not yet born or too young to remember. Carol had a melty at Susie with the guitar because she believes that her parents sent her to retrieve it.>Susie is alone in Hometown. We never see her place for a reason, she's squatting in an unused apartment. She avoids speaking about her family, even to Kris. When Toriel asks her to call her parents, she says she will but never even interacts with the phone. Susie may have run away based on something she found at home, or simply out of desperation to escape her misery, leading her back to Hometown. Susie is lost in both the physical and emotional sense. "Find her" will be made relevant with the introduction of one or both of her parents as characters. Coming soonTM.And there you have it! Definitely based on real evidence and not gut feelings/spite. It's 100% true, I checked.
>>733865378Well, Papyrus called her "Undyne", which is likely a reference to the mythological Undine, a water nymph, and the next area seems to be watery. Monster Kid also thinks she is very tough.So... she might be a water elemental! Or maybe a fish too. Or even an octopus creature, who knows. Given it's a military setting, she might be using an armor, or maybe a modern military uniform.
>>733872896imagine the JIGGLE when they run
>>733867836Based if true.
>>733872726Tells me that Kris, who has been mentioned again and again both by random darkners and Tenna himself to put on a fake show to distract the fun gang until Undyne arrived specifically told Tenna to never mention her and instead name drop Dess hard R left and right to pull our suspicion away. And then who's the one tells us about Noelle? Ramb, the same fucker who led us to play the "original game" that is actually just a playable version of Noelle's rationalization and suppression process.Kris jingled some keys in front of your face and got you with the oldest trick in the book, you actually got intellectually filtered by a McDonald's happy meal puzzle
>>733868087Also based if true.
>>733864652where do i land on the schizo theory scale if i believe in both noelle knight and second hero kris at the same time
>>733872897Ramb is a plug at Kris's house. He's talking about seeing Kris and "that girl" play make-believe with a bunch of shit that they stole from other places and took to Kris's house.The story you posted is about how when Kris came to Noelle's house they would rather play the piano than play with her. It's explaining why Noelle wasn't sure that they were even friends, because they didn't really play together.Was little crybaby Noelle the type of kid that would take a bunch of shit from the library or school (specifically Gerson's classroom, which Dess and Asriel attended and Noelle and Kris did not)?If she did it's pretty strange that she never said anything like "Hey that's Queen, the imaginary friend I came up with when we played together as kids, remember that Kris?">>733872897>Why would two different people come up with the same darkner unless they had both internalized that character?Yes, Kris and The Knight's Dark Worlds being basically identical and having these Darkners with shared identities and histories is very strong evidence that Kris and The Knight have a significant personal connection and The Knight is almost certainly "that girl" that Kris played with.That's not contradicting Dess Knight, it's confirming it. Dess and Noelle are the only people "that girl" could be.
>>733869139>she has Kris's soul inside her and her soul is in the code or the depthsThis is mine and it will be totally correct trust me on this.
Why doesn't Kris want us to know the Knight's identity when we choose to think about them? Us seeing Dess changes nothing, seeing (the other knight candidates) does.
>>733869719Battat is a Dess Knighter.Jongler is a Carol KnighterPluey is a casual that doesn't care to theorize.
>>733873681you might be the 2nd biggest schizo in the thread after me (noelle knighter, ralsei + soul in chapter 5, catti inferno of jealousy believer, and thinks kris is a clone of the real kris)
>>733873852>Us seeing Dess changes nothingI disagree. Kris is doing everything they can to cover their tracks from us. If it is Dess, then Kris doesn't want us to know that for a reason. Even if that reason isn't obvious at the current moment.
>>733873852You already asked this question. >>733872318
>>733873852Massive W for Noelle knight that leaves NonNoelleKnighters speechless every single time. Toby planned these scenes down to the seconds to show us the truth.
bruh if the knight is dess who is paying her phone bill lmao>>733874024not me
>>733871749That's because Knight has Kris’s soul and thus the same will as him.
>>733874084Pretending counterevidence doesn't exist is not "leaving NonNoelleKnighters speechless every single time"Get your head out of the sand.
>>733874112Noelle with Kris's soul is the biggest compromise I will have with you (we can't enter noelle during the weird route rape scene)
>>733871775>>733874084>NoelleKnightfags think Noelle is a hijabiDisturbing stuff.
>>733872326Yeah, the Knight is a supernatural being. Dess's body as a darkner fueled by Kris’s soul.
>>733874223she would 100% submit to sharia law however
>>733874112Dude trust me Gaster put Kris's soul in Dess's body and made her very good at sneaking around so no one sees the missing person running around town and took Dess's soul into the depths or the code or something where everything is dark and Dess is actually not conscious and is instead being controlled by Kris's soul but she's still Dess enough somehow for that to matter but don't worry about the problems bro Gaster did it bro I swear
>>733874223noelle is a good christian girlit's clearly a nun's habit
>>733874102It doesn't matter who asked the question, you got an answer.
>>733872567Which is based btw.
>>733874102>bruh if the knight is dess who is paying her phone bill lmaoAAAAAAAAAAA OMEGA GIGANVKENOELLE WOULDVE DOXED THIS BITCH BY NOW IF SHE REGISTERED A PHONE NUMBER
>>733872921Based MSpaint anon as usual.
>NoelleKnightschizo BTFOing "The Knight has Kris's soul" retards
>>733873391Oh, one thing I forgot to add.>Asgore took the fall for Carol in the original bunker incident. His retirement from the police force and subsequent divorce are both backlash from for a perceived wrongdoing that caused Susie's family to disappear. Carol covered up the fact that they left town on their own accord. This is why Carol is still cordial towards Asgore and Kris, since she knows what really happened. Toriel was not included in the scheme, and thus distrusts Asgore. The reason Toriel is so accepting of Susie is because she has an inkling of who her parents are and hopes that they are around/okay.
>>733872921holy fucking based, did you draw this btw?
>>733873236Toby likes him more than Undyne and this is his prequel though.
>>733874442>the schizophrenia has gotten so high that it's looped around to btfoing the lesser schizos with facts and logic how the hell
>>733873145blow your head off newfaggot
>>733874442i did not btfo the knight has kris soul GOD, he is probably right after all no matter who the knight is
>>733873681Insane but I appreciate you for being a fellow human girls waifuchad.
>>733874464>Asgore took the fall
>>733873726No I don't think the local teenage rebel was spending hours every day playing make believe with electrical plugs with the neighbors' six year old. That seems way more in line with something a borderline autistic little kid like Noelle would do, the same kid who though electrical sockets and pizza boxes were alive and staring at her.
>>733872921Very hot, but what the fuck did I miss?
>/ss/gods vs. sakura(fate)fagsthis is a legendary thread.
>>733874273This but without a HINT of irony.
>>733874713Basically, NoelleKnight was confirmed beyond all doubt and Deltarune is solved
>>733874581In this land, only eyes blinded by darkness can see the way...
>>733874713a real opponent appeared for dess knight and dess knighters have no clue how to react
>>733874713Toby stole from Fate/Stay NightSakura from Fate/Stay Night is really similar to NoelleNoelle Knight confirmed
>>733874472Yes, he's our local human hero... even if he never drew my wife Frisk with big boobs.
>>733874948i-is kris gonna fist fight alvin?
/ss/ Kress is shit.
>>733874442They conceded to me though>>733874195It's the biggest truth of any knight candidate.
>>733874948>>733875005AlvinGODS this is how WE win
>>733874972>>733874472i see, in that case, please draw more impossibly concealed chara booba
Krusie victory is inevitable. Make your peace with it now.
>>733874713Noelle Knighters are growing at a rapid rate where Noelle Angel is a minority.
>Think about the knight>We literally SEE jockingtonI thought we've been over this whole knight thing after getting hard confirmation here I don't get it.
PlayerKnight when
>>733875089Alvin will ALWAYS be irrelevant.
>>733875246>temmie OUT OF NOWHEREkrisp WILL be getting that tem cake by the end of this
>>733875293...on opposite day.
>>733875032take the /ll/ kress pill
>>733875293Good. He's a good man. I wouldn't want him caught up in all this.
>>733875265>the knight is the previous player before us, who got their vessel and got max level>this is why theres already blood from the cage chapter 1>this supports the "prophecy already happened in someway" theory tooTHE WHEELS ON THE BUS GO ROUND AND ROUND
>>733874946>a real opponent appeared for dess knight and dess knighters have no clue how to reactThe mountain does not flinch, no matter how many blows you strike it with.
>>733875189I can't believe these gifs I made all the way in the ch1 days are STILL circulating to this dayI even saw them outside this site a few times, surreal
>>733875417Kris got his face sat on behind some bushes DIRECTLY after these comic panels btw
>>733875121I sure hope so.
>about to banish the angel's heaven>he's standing there>alvin is standing there between (You) and the angel's heaven>1v1 final battle HOLYFUCKINGKINO
"If [Mother 3] comes to the West, you can play it and realize how unoriginal I am."
>>733875929HOLY ENTER
>>733875929>serious gerson but younger and more motivated, and actually trying to kick your assAIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
i just got an amazing idea for a fangame, but i'm too unsure in my skills to pull it off
Sealing the fountains is a metaphor for abortions btw
>>733875709Absolute sexo.
>>733875929https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLDYPFfnm3g
>>733875005>>733875089>>733875929>I don't want to admit it, but it seems... I like Alvin Boom.
>>733875952>Dess is Ness>Ness is the protagonist of a MOTHER game>The knight is revealed to be the protagonist's sibling in MOTHER 3Oh no no no... Dessbross I didn't think this through...
>>733876184I heard you can hear satanic messages if you play the soundtrack backwards!
>>733874472>>733875121Agreenvke
>>733874084Did you get this from reddit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUs8FEsDUZ4There's no rule that says an imitation can't defeat the original.
>>733875417Dykes molesting lolis is bad.
>/utg/-tier bullshit everywherejust let it die at this point and wait for chapter 5
>>733875929I will always hate this irrelevant character. Always.
I was told this thread was wayyy better than /utg/ and everyone should go here.
>>733876638Don't lie. This is nowhere near /utg/ levels of shit.
>>733876638>/utg/-tier bullshit everywhereI don't see anyone having a mental health episode over gay old men
>The knight fights us for real>Everyone is SWOONed>All hope is lost>Suddenly you hear a trousle of boneshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW4H0i3eo3Y
>>733875005>He gets one-shot Mettaton NEO style.
>>733876942ENTER Sans with actual stats
>>733876638>/utg/-tier bullshit everywhereno way, this is the most actual game discussion ive seen in months unironically
>>733876345There's a lot of art of this from the humans but I don't think I have any SFW versions of it saved.
>>733877254Yeah, this Noelle vs Dess Knight is actually making people discuss the game. It's very interesting and cool
>>733877276c-catbox?
>>733876942Papyrus becoming a party member after all these years of blueballing would be mind breaking
>What is this place, anyway...?>How did I get here?>... as if I haven't asked that question a billion times already.>I...>I always did have that nightmare.>Walking into the darkness,>With the light shining from the doorway...>Then the door slams behind me.>And everything goes black.>... is this that nightmare?>... or was everything else a dream?
>>733877435FACT: the codefag is probably noelle, and its more of a flashback
>>733877358noelle knight really is something considering now niche it was even a month ago
>Dess Knight vs. Noelle Knight vs. Rudy Knight vs. Carol KnightWe need a Holiday Knight poll
>>733873726Are you being intentionally obtuse or are you just retarded.>Blog>It's funny... there was a time when they were coming over almost every day.>We'd play, and we'd play... then after a while, they would suddenly get very still, like they were remembering something.>Recognize QueenNoelle doesn't recognize Queen because as far as she's aware, it's just a laptop, not a representation of what Queen's Darkner form is.That, and you're forgetting a major detail in Noelle's room at Queen's Mansion - Queen doesn't know who 'December Holiday' is based on searches Noelle made on that laptop. As far as Queen is aware, Noelle just really likes Christmas.
>>733877374I can't browse NSFW right now, maybe if the thread is still up in a few hours I can catbox some and post it
>>733877616Thank you for pointing out that detail about Noelle's searches. I'll add it to my list of Noelle Knight evidence.
>>733871979I'm pretty sure everything you just typed was pulled directly from your asshole, but you did point out one thing that's bothered me since chapter 4 first released. The phone call in Noelle's house after Kris tears the SOUL out struck me as intentionally suspicious. I assume Kris called Carol to tell her about Susie and the guitar, but the way the voice from the phone is garbled and broken leads me to believe that there is context to it that we don't get because we're simply too far away to hear the rest of the call. The part from pokemon red/blue came to mind with the fan club president. You were meant to not be paying attention to everything he said, hence the broken sentences and ellipses. Hear me out, this may be a bit of a stretch, but lines like>... Kris... dark world... no soul... can't...and>... police... sacrifice... next week...COULD actually be statements like:>Thanks Kris, it's a dark world where that delinquent can enter MY house uninvited. No soul should touch that guitar, I can't allow it.and>The police are going to have to sacrifice a lot of time for the festival and the event next week.It just feels too convenient for (you) to stumble upon such important expositional dialog. I theorize that Toby is baiting us by putting out false leads that will get explained in the next chapter (like hearing the call from Carol's point of view as she angrily storms back home from town hall).
>>733877494>FACT: [speculation]
>>733877582https://poal.me/ff8544
>>733876529In theory to molest is bad in generalBut we can argue that both enjoyed it
>>733875417I LOVE /ll/!!!>>733876529It's okay Toby approves of it.
>>733877843So who is the voice at the end of the chapter? Not a red herring? The Knight?
>>733877949That's true but in the case of Dess and Kris it needs to be /ss/>>733877993That's true but Toby can be kind of a fag.
>>733877993Too bad is a rare thing to see
The funny and (also sad) thing about Noelle knight is that when she's revealed as the knight everyone will go back and point to endless foreshadowing while praising Toby on his masterful work at hiding it in plain sight while the real reason it went ignored for so long is that the entire community hopped on Dess because they saw a deer shaped hole and shoved their mystery without 2 seconds of thought and now DessKnight is it's own character in the collective conscious of the fandom and walking back on all this requires admitting you were wrong for so long.
>>733877893>no Carol Knighterslol
>>733878148is the "endless foreshadowing" in the room with us?
>>733877893carolbros…
>>733878093It fits since kris is very manlyBut one can dream
>>733878181Yes, it is.
>>733878148Save the saltposting for after Chapter 5. I do wonder if Toby still comes here, and what his reaction is to this.>THEY'RE SAYING NOELLE IS THE KNIGHT NOW?or>IT ONLY TOOK THEM 8 MONTHS
>>733878319BASED
>>733877616Ramb literally cannot be talking about the same situation described in the blog. What Ramb is describing happened at Kris's house. Playing with Queen, the laptop from the library, King, the playing cards from Gerson's (Dess and Asriel's) classroom, and Tenna, Kris's television.But speaking of Queen and the Cyber World>* ...when I said this city makes my head spin...>* I didn't mean in a bad way... you know?>* I always wanted to go someplace new, you know?>* ... And Dess... always told me she'd take me.>* Somewhere like this.>* Somewhere with shining lights.>Chapter 2: The City of the Shining.>The heroes do battle in chariots to save the Queen.
>>733878245Yeah, although I still prefer Frisk and Chara as lolis and Kris as their big bro
>>733878414It's a cateye marble
>>733878319I think these are unironically the only two pieces of fanart for Roaring Knight noelle lmao
>>733878321I understand why people ruled off Noelle in CH2 because her psychology and dark worlds weren't fully fleshed out yet and we didn't know the knight had antlers so literally everyone was on the table but if we were to analyze the case like an actual investigator looking at nothing but hard evidence and logistics Noelle was suspect #1 at the end of CH2 so if she does end up being the knight I imagine Toby was pulling his hair out at some point asking how he could make it more obvious without literally giving it away outright.
https://poal.me/ff8544OFFICIAL HOLIDAY ROARING KNIGHT POLL
I was starting to buy into noelle knight a little bit, but you guys can't argue for shit. It's all insane stretches, bad faith counterarguments, and vapid smugposting. I'm not saying the other theories are flawless, but what I've seen is not convincing. Hype moments and aura does not a theory make.
>>733878736Have you read the NoelleKnight masterdoc?https://rentry.co/NoelleKnight
>>733878637something worth noting is that noelle wouldn't be out of place at any of the fountain locations the school, the library, dreemurr house, the church3/4 are locations she frequents and no one would bat an eye at her being at the dreemurr house due to their families shared history, along with being a known old friend of kris'she fits the best
>>733878414Noelle can also manifest the city from a desire to see it, anon. Also you're just assuming the play sessions at Kris' house and Noelle's house had different participants because of your preconceptions thanks to already fully believing Dess Knight. You have NO basis to assume the girl at Kris' house was Dess outside of headcanon. Meanwhile you have evidence in multiple places of Kris and Noelle regularly playing and Noelle giving anthropomorphic traits to random objects and are choosing to ignore both.
>>733878736>Hype moments and aura does not a theory make.That's Rudy Knight, and for good reason.Regardless, just being open to other Knight candidates already tells me you have a brain.
>>733878854HAHAHAHA WHAT THE FUCK
>>73387897430.000 words. 2 hours of read.
>>733878008That I'm a lot less keen on guessing. But I don't think it's a red herring. I suppose the only thing is to consider who Kris would make a promise to in the first place, so my money would be on one of the Holidays or the Knight (if it's not also one of the Holidays). One thing I literally just thought about was that it could theoretically be Toriel, since the call happens after the music stops implying that Sans has left at that point, but I think that's the least likely candidate, aside from being someone that Kris would make a promise to. Alternatively, Asgore or Asriel. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
>>733878854why am i finding the 3&4 batch of schizo theories much more believable than the ch2 era ones
>>733878736Watch thishttps://youtu.be/l-pOlvieT-0?si=KgMOQyjvot8wS75E
>>733878854All this tells me is that noelle knight posting is likely just a schizo samefagging operation a la femkris. Good theories don't need insane drivel like this to be believable. Remember that everything in this doc will need to be addressed in-game for it to be true. Do you really think that's going to happen?
>>733879182femkris isn't samefagging it was deduced that there are at least 3 people in the threads who post about it
>>733878093>That's true but in the case of Dess and Kris it needs to be /ss/Why? It works perfectly in both ways.
>>733879182i like femkris and noelleknight tho
>>733878008The first caller is clearly Carol who's the mastermind forcing Noelle to be the knight. The caller at the end of normal route CH4 is Noelle hinted at by the juvenile, pleading language calling back to the promise they made to stay with each other in the dark.Noelle and Kris are ultimately working against Carol under her which is one of the reasons why Kris is so overprotective of Noelle while they have no problem with you finding out they work with Carol, it all goes back to the stakes, if you work against Carol that's great but you already ruined their plan as far as Kris is concerned and now you also have the ability to go ruin Noelle's life and a good reason to do it if she actually is the knight since controlling the one making the fountains would definitely change fate.
>>733878646Rudybros...
>>733879040>>733878854i kneel, i am not autistic enough to read all of that so i will simply concede
>>733879307This is most likely the same schizo that cries samefagging at whatever he doesn't like. First it was Chara/Frisk, then FemKris, then Kress and now he's targeting Noelle Knight.
>>733879065Because we collectively have more to work with. Chapter 2 theories took massive leaps in logic to explain why characters that don't exist yet are responsible for events that already happened. Now we have more info to fill holes that lead to more believable theories. The tone of the game was also very different at that point. The first two chapters have similar vibes while 3 and 4 start to branch off pretty quickly.
>>733879182If you're interested in the case, read it.If you want to debunk it, present your case, read the FAQ first at least though.If you're interested in neither then why bother engaging?>everything in this doc will need to be addressed in-game for it to be true. Do you really think that's going to happen?Everything is taken from the game with minimal speculation, going as far as to avoid things like shadow crystal armor and Gaster almost every knight theory rely on in favor for more grounded explanations that tie back to things we've seen in game.
Everything aside, Noelle knight is the funniest outcome given how it's always been treated as a joke and it would cause the most amount of shock with its reveal while still making sense unlike something like Papyrus.Just imagine the endless seething of DessKnighters overflowing on every website, every forum, every post it's like... A roaring.
>>733879065There's more to work with so more evidence to build your theory versus nothing in 2 and especially 1.
You guys are all retarded. It's obviously Gaster.
>>733878854the person who wrote this is a drooling moron using braindead arguments like "that's just speculation", "if dess code voice how dess also knight", and "i have ignored the extremely blatant evidence that 'lost girl' does not mean 'girl who's physical location is unknown'"
>>733880270you say that like it dosent have the evil fucked up version of the player soulone is from the lightest of places from above (the real world), one from the deepest dark of the depths
>>733879907This is the problem with Noelle Knighters. It's not based on evidence, it's a pretense to be smug and pwn the h8rs epic style. Grow up.
>>733879907although with a lot of these theories i genuinely think that they add to the story if correct, i cannot deny that with some of them i also support them because i want to see the seethe produced if truemaybe i'm still annoyed at how arrogant a lot of the ch2 era theories were with actually nothing to go off of outside of a line or two
>>733880674You can't prove it's not Gaster.
>>733880957I want you to show me in the archive any post from before February where someone discussing Noelle Knight was being smug or saying they want people to seethe. You can do that right?
>>733879416The "Carol is the mastermind" theory bothers me immensely. It's just too convenient. There is a hole in the mystery and the theory just fills it with the closest possible individual. It simply relies on too many hand waves. How does Carol know about the dark worlds, much less how to manipulate them or how to make Noelle manipulate them the way she wants her to. If Noelle is conscious of her action then how is Carol forcing her to do it. If Noelle isn't conscious, then how is Carol mind controlling her daughter to do her bidding? How does Carol manage this while also attending to her daily Mayoral duties?I think Carol is the catalyst rather than the puppeteer. There is certainly a conspiracy in the Holiday family, but we need to connect the dots properly, or else we get a grossly inaccurate picture.
>>733880207This will happen when player angel isn't real.
>>733881156>How does Carol know about the dark worlds, much less how to manipulate themShe has a code to the bunker. There is a dark world in the bunker. Seems pretty straightforward.
>There genuine retards in these threads that think Rudy's sole purpose in this story is to be a sick unc that dies of aids at some point
Uncle Ben is going to come back to life and turn super saiyan. 2 more weeks, trust the plan. They wouldn't just waste his role in the story on dying.
>>733881969Anyone with half a brain understands that Rudy will be a major player in the Asgore arc and the finale of the story since it's literally all about his daughters. I can't decide whether I wanna see him get "better" in a dark world and then actually recover, or if it'd be cooler to have a more somber approach with him becoming a dustner in the last few chapters.
>>733877374>>733877761Here you go. I could swear there was more but this is the one I remembered. https://files.catbox.moe/svty2p.jpeghttps://files.catbox.moe/e32ixv.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/amkdvq.png
>>733879331I just like my Dess being straight and Kris being a shota. I have two others that can be lolis instead of him.
>>733882598Ntas. Based as alwaysAt least from the last artist there is more as far as i remmeber tooI think those might be lost to the first wave of regret from artists when many chose to delete their art
>>733881969there's nothing wrong with a minor character existing solely to give a main one more depth
Um... NoelleKnightbros... what is this?
>>733879416>The evil phone call is actually two different people!Idiotic and violates basic principles of how the game presents information.
>>733880207How are swoyjaks still a thing in 2026This is like if people kept playing with pogs until 2016
>>733877843doesn't the japanese text explicitly say something to the effect of "kris can't enter the dark world without a soul"?
>>733883597Thinking of the Knight or Noelle shows you the same person. There's a reason the game doesn't actually SHOW you her like it does with Susie.
>>733883869the caller at noelle's house and at the end of the normal route is choppy and we can't understand all the words when carol calls at the end of the weird route it's crystal clear it's not a leap to assume they're both different people based on the connection legibility
>>733884025every single braindead 3rd-worlder legitimately think “open mouth bald glasses guy” is the apex of humor and forms their whole philosophy around them
>>733881735There is a dark world in the bunker NOW, there's nothing to suggest that their was one there when the bunker was originally locked. Also, we only know that she has the one code, 3 are needed to open the bunker. Carol alone might not be able to access the bunker at all. Like I said, too many hand waves and assumptions.
>>733884053>Thinking of the Knight or Noelle shows you the same person.No it doesn't.
NoelleKnight actually explains the weird route I kneel
>>733883292This is called "fridging," and I'd hope Toby has enough good sense to not do something so troubling and problematic.
>>733883157It's petronoise. Rule 34 has a lot of his art saved. They drew a lot of humans and people made lots of edits of their arts.https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=petronoise+I could swear there was more hidden buxom UTDR art, though, but I guess I was wrong.
>>733884371It does. Kris desperately tries to stop you from seeing their face described, and they would only do that if it's someone you would already know. And thinking of Noelle makes her aware that you're thinking of her. Plus the Noelle specific thought takes several seconds longer for her to speak, so she already has the helmet off.
>>733883597Not a NoelleKnighter but it's explained in the collage >>733864652
>>733884313The person I am replying to is arguing that the evil phone voice earlier in Chapter 4 is Carol, but the same evil phone voice at the end of the normal route is Noelle. They believe that the game is just fucking lying to you because "haha Tricky Tony!!">when carol calls at the end of the weird route it's crystal clear >it's not a leap to assume they're both different peopleThe voice talking to Kris about their evil plan in the house who Kris calls back to alert them that Susie got the guitar is undeniably Carol. It cannot be anyone else.Carol also makes a personal call to Kris at the end of the Weird Route. The person on the phone is always Carol.Carol is obscuring her voice when making Evil Plan Calls to Kris because she knows that You and anyone else nearby could be listening. It is not necessary to obscure her voice at the end of the Weird Route, because she is calling Kris as Noelle mother to have a perfectly innocent conversation about Noelle at 2 AM.
>>733884036The Japanese translation, in essence, changes the "can't" to "can't enter" because "While in English, "can/cannot" is its own verb, Japanese typically expresses this by instead modifying the original verb itself, by a single verb in Japanese". If the test is parsed in the same way then the theory still holds. Also no matter how much of a weeb Toby is, the english version is still the original and thus, master version of the game.
>>733884594>and they would only do that if it's someone you would already knowWrong.>thinking of Noelle makes her aware that you're thinking of her.Wrong.>>733884645I am not reading all that shit.
>>733866303>>733866618How? The whole point was to demonstrate how freakishly strong the Knight is that even Undyne gets thrashed. Did the Knight fight being exceedingly challenging (or an outright glass cannon fight without the shadow mantle) that most people lost in one turn not clue you in?
>>733884976Powerlevelspics are very fucking stupid
>>733884025>basedjak>:(>tumblr tranny shipping wars:DDilate more, troon
>>733884969You should if you want to truly debunk it otherwise you aren't addressing their argument.
>>733884976People really underestimate the Knight for some reason. It just can't be strong, it has to be le fraud.
>>733885096Debunk my dick and ballsIf their argument is so great let them make it, I'm not wasting my time picking through another wall of schizobabble
>>733884969I accept your concession.
Fuck it, I'm convinced. starwalker is the knight
>>733884470Angel Noelle also does that.
>>733885048based brownchad
>>733884470>>733885745afaik there's nothing stopping from noelle being the knight and the avatar of the angel at the same timeis this really it? did we figure out tony's ploy?
>>733886063I think that's just putting too many roles into one character. It's as if Asriel and Chara were one character in Undertale.
>>733886063The true answer is probably that a lot of theories get something right but are mostly wrong. Chapter 5 will likely dash every single theory here against the rocks, with only one or two details managing to slip through and be applicable to the actual storyline.
>>733886293But they were one character, haha. Until they weren't.
>>733887165I guess marriage is when a man and a woman become one so that makes sense
>>733886063The Knight and The Angel are different roles in The Prophecy
>>733887413>Knight makes fountains>Banishing the Angel's Heaven means sealing the fountainsI dunno man
>>733886350None of my theories have been wrong yetSomething to think about
>>733887525What are your theories bro
